When this story came to us, we all reeled, and you probably will too. The mother who wrote to us describes her account as raw and disturbing. It’s also very graphic in parts and we thought long and hard about whether to edit those parts out. But you know what? There’s nothing sanitised about child abuse and the details are part of the bigger picture. We hope that reading this (and sharing it) will enable more of us in the community to report child abuse if we suspect something may be occurring.
WARNING: The following content includes graphic descriptions of child abuse. If this is a troubling subject for you, you may not want to read the below story. Jane* writes:
“This is one of those stories that you hear, that you never think would happen to you, because you’re ‘not one of those people’ or some other excuse that seems easy.
I have two amazingly beautiful children. Both boys.
They’re eight and five. My eight-year-old is the quiet one, a thinker, sporty, very handsome, very caring. He’s very easy to talk to, but not very expressive. My younger is the opposite. Very strong willed, never stops talking, amazingly clever. Will outwit you in any argument, with eyes to kill. They are chalk and cheese, like most brothers. But they love each other dearly. They are my babies.
Their father and I split four and a half years ago, I took a 60% primary care arrangement when we split. We always kept everything civil and out of the courts. Life was less complex that way. Holidays were usually shared half and half. Week on / week off.
He does this begrudgingly.In the October school holidays last year my boys went to stay with their paternal grandparents and their 14-year-old cousin for a little over a week. I spoke to them most nights. I missed them a lot.
When they got home they started waking through the night, throwing tantrums that I wasn’t used to seeing from them. My eight-year-old would go from happy to neurotically upset over the tiniest things. I received an unprompted call from their father on a Monday night saying that something had happened whilst they were away with his parents, that their cousin had shown my 8yo how to masturbate.
I came home from work early the next day. Picked the kids up from school, had a nice afternoon tea. We talked about our day, about what we wanted to cook for dinner, and then I asked them if there was anything else they wanted to talk to mummy about. It’s amazing when you give children the opportunity to talk, and they want to talk about something, the amount of information that comes flooding out. Information that when they had tried to talk to their father, he’d shut them down and made them promise not to tell their mother.
They sat there and told me this detail of nine days of systematic abuse. Detail you never want to hear come out of a five-year-old’s mouth. Words that sound wrong coming from children. They told me how their cousin would take away all the toys, their snacks and their drinks, and would put them in the cupboard. The only way that they could have these things was by letting him play with their penis, by ‘pulling the skin that covers the blue bit’, by him playing with his penis til the white stuff came out all over them. He tried to put his penis in their bottoms. He performed and forced oral sex on them. My five- and eight-year-old children.
Yes, he did all these things whilst there were adults in the house.
Family members.
The boys were too scared to talk. He would hit them and ‘punish’ them if they tried to talk to their nanna about what was happening. He found opportune moments like early mornings, or dinner preparation time, when the only adult in the house was at the stove. He waited til it was ‘afternoon play time’ and they were sent to the rumpus room to watch movies.
No one, including their grandparents, had any idea what was going on until my boys came home. Nine days.
During that time, their other cousins came to visit on a couple of occasions also. Two girls aged four and six. Need I say more?
They tried to talk to their father, and they were shut down. Thankfully, his girlfriend is a child care worker, and as such reported the incident to DOCS. I still wonder if this is the only reason he called me to tell me something had happened, or if he would have tried to keep it swept under the rug.
DOCS contacted me within days. As did Child Protection Services, the Police, and then the Courts got involved.
I have an AVO taken out against their cousin. The parents of the girls refuse to acknowledge that anything ever happened, regardless of the statements that the girls made.My eight-year-old has become suicidal.
That sentence doesn’t sound right does it? How does an eight-year-old dwell on death? Because he feels responsible for what happened to his five-year-old brother. Because he couldn’t stop it from happening. Because the thoughts of what happened don’t belong in the head of an eight-year-old. He can’t comprehend it all. It all became too much to carry for him and his sensitive little soul.
They say that my eight-year-old has been groomed for the last couple of years. That his cousin has been showing him porn magazines, asking him leading questions, getting him comfortable with the idea. They also think that he’s been abused himself, probably by his mother and step-father. To me, this doesn’t make it ok. It doesn’t make it understandable. I still feel no compassion towards that 14-year-old boy, even knowing that perhaps he’s been through hell himself. All it does is begin to explain how a child of 14 can be so twisted.
The last six months have been tough. The boys are traumatized and they are in weekly counselling. This is provided by specialist child protection counsellors. They are great. Really really great. The detectives that I dealt with, I cannot regard highly enough. Everyone constantly whinges about the police, but these ladies, I take my hat off to them. What they see daily, how they help families, families that are falling apart due to something completely out of their control.
The boys live with me full time now. They’re finally starting to settle. They’re starting to be children again. Happy children. Even my eight-year-old is on the road to being a happier child.
I was rebuilding a family with a new man. That relationship has fallen apart. That makes me incredibly sad. He is gone. The pressure on our relationship was too great, for many reasons. There is no fault in this.
In my mind, I’m the strong one. The one who has to hold it all together so that my boys can see that there is light at the end of the tunnel. Life does go on. My boys can get over this, and not repeat the actions that have been so cruelly pushed on to them in such an unjust and unfair way.
Me? I’m terrified. I don’t talk about it; how terrified I am. Not to anyone. I don’t have that right. People don’t understand. I can’t sit down over a cup of coffee with a girlfriend and begin to explain. There is no common ground to be able to empathise on. It is a very lonely feeling.
I wrote this all down for two reasons. Not for pity or understanding. I wrote it so that maybe, somehow, someone reads this and knows that they are not on their own having lived through something similar. I wrote this so that if you see some odd behaviour, rather than disregarding it, you might think back to the story of my children and put a stop to it. Please. Children are so very precious.
Secondly, I wrote this to get it off my chest, so that it’s no longer just thoughts that I have to keep to myself. Sharing this with those who choose to read it – that’s not going to make it go away, but it might help me be a better, stronger mother. It might help in some small way, somehow. Writing is therapeutic. Thank you for listening.”
*name changed
If you are concerned about the welfare of a child you can get advice from The Child Abuse Prevention hotline on: 1800 688 009 or visit http://www.childabuseprevention.com.au/ or call The Child Abuse Report Line on: 131 478 (Open 24 hours).
You may want to share this with your friends:
According to the VIC Better Health website:
5 Possible signs of sexual abuse
The main message from survivors is about the importance of paying attention to children’s behaviour. If children are being sexually abused, there may be physical signs such as bleeding from the vagina or anus (back passage), sexually transmitted infections (STIs) or poor hygiene. However, signs in a child’s behaviour are more likely. These include:
* Significant changes in behaviour, aggressive behaviour or regression to an earlier stage of development (for example bedwetting)
* Sexual behaviour that is not appropriate to the child’s age
* Depression or social withdrawal
* Getting into trouble at school (sometimes to avoid going home)
* Self-harming behaviours (for example self-mutilation, suicide attempts or prostitution).
Talking with children about abuse
If the child appears to be under stress, encourage them to talk. Children will often tell little bits of information at a time to test the reactions of adults. To help a child who is being abused to talk about it, it’s important to:
* Encourage the child to tell you about what is happening.
* Stay calm and listen. Gently ask what happened next rather than asking why.
* Don’t rush the child.
* Reassure them that they have done nothing wrong.
* Be supportive and let them know you believe them.
* Don’t tell them you will keep it a secret.
If you believe the child may be being abused, report your concerns immediately to the appropriate person in your own organisation and the Child Protection Service. If you are concerned about the welfare of a child you can get advice from The Child Abuse Prevention hotline on: 1800 688 009 or visit http://www.childabuseprevention.com.au/ or call The Child Abuse Report Line on: 131 478 (Open 24 hours).







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I have just this morning heard my almost 4 year old daughter tell me in no uncertain terms her father, with whom she spends a couple of days a month, has sexually abused her. Where else would she know this stuff? Her words were, “daddy touched my bottom in the shower and peed on my face”. Trying to hold back my shock and horror at this out of the blue statement, I asked her what colour the pee was. She replied ‘white’. I am totally in shock and have no-one to talk to. I don’t want him around her any more but I don’t know if I have the strength to cope with what’s ahead of us. I called the Police to tentatively ask ‘where to from here’ and the sexual abuse unit operates Monday to Friday (country town).
I need some assurance from anyone reading this – these words do indicate sexual abuse, don’t they? I don’t know what to do …
I also have a six year old son who is very quiet, has few friends and does not socialise ‘correctly’ according to his former school. Is it possible he has been abused?
Sad mum
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I’m so glad I came onto MM today, if only to read this and give you this advice:
Yes, this sounds like abuse. If i were you, I would report it to the Police and ensure that your ex is not alone with your children until the investigation is over and if he has been cleared. To hear this from a four year old is not normal…With what your daughter has told you, you have to act to protect her. This is just horrible, I’m shaking just thinking about it. Good luck.
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It has taken me several days to summons up the will to read this post, as I am the mother of two boys in the same situation re sharing custody – at least on holidays – as Jane.
Having read it, I am frozen and want to be sick. I am SO sorry you have endured this, Jane, and so terribly sorry for your boys.
But I also want to reassure you that there ARE people who understand and who are very grateful and in awe of you for having the courage to write. I am strongly of the view that abuse like this goes on because people DON’T talk about it.
My boys have not been abused like this, thank God, but they have been injured due to negligence and been in other scary situations while in my ex’s custody – and then told “don’t tell Mum, it’s a secret”. THIS MAKES ME SO ANGRY. There desperately needs to be some acknowledgement in the law of how damaging this sort of manipulation is for children. If someone they are supposed to trust (ie their father) tells them to keep a secret from their mother – about things that have hurt them or made them feel scared – how vulnerable are they in future to worse manipulation or abuse?
I too feel powerless. And I too have lost a relationship due to the complexities of this sort of situation.
There is so much more to say but the main thing is THANK YOU, Jane, for speaking out. And – probably more importantly – THANK YOU for devoting your love and energy and time to protecting your boys. Mothers who are in your situation are never acknowledged enough for the sacrifices they make, the strength it takes just to get up and keep fighting every day for your boys’ wellbeing.
I wish I could take you for that cup of coffee and just listen. But right now I am just sending out a big wave of love and support and wishing you and your boys the best.
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I read this article the other day and had one of those ‘how awful but thank god we haven’t been affected by this’ reactions too, to be honest. Then I’m told out of the blue yesterday that a relative was abused by their step dad 20 years ago. She told this person years and years ago but now there are grandkids on the scene this guy has flipped and wants to contact the victim again to ask her…what?. I feel sick that it happened and confused about what to advise to do. We don;’t want to cause the victim any more suffering? what if she denies everything? She is a lovely, loving mum and wife and active member of the family. I can’t see any guidance about what to do for things long past…but isn’t there a risk to other kids? It’s never the perpetrator you might think is it? A salt of the earth person we all love and esteem.
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You don’t have to tell her you know. Believe me, if you just say: I don’t think you should allow -said person- to be around your kids, she will take the hint, no details needed….
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You and your boys are so, so brave, Jane. Sending you much love. There is much sexual abuse in my family by one family member in particular… Grandpa… As bizarre and unbelievable as it sounds… some very close family members of mine and myself have grown to be integrated, intelligent, lively, kind, rational, fun, hilarious, loving, accepting individuals. We were just kids. May your story be a warning to many, and hopefully, and I’m sure, a tale of resistance of you and your boys. xxxxx
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I wasn’t sure how to say this because I know most of the things I say are generally taken the wrong way by people. And there IS definitely a wrong way to take what I’m about to say.
I was a victim too, from huh 2 years old I guess, to 15 when I started being interested in boys, then I made it stop. I never told my family (I did tell my mother and sister 15 years later because my little cousin was being abused by the same person and I wanted it to stop but it didn’t work)
Basically my whole family is screwed up. They think it’s acceptable, or…they ignore it or… I don’t know.
And even with that kind of past and family, I am not defined by that. I don’t think about it every day, I’m not…I’m fine really. So here comes the part that might send hordes of people attacking me: don’t worry too much. Your kids have a fantastic responsible mother who is able to tell them that none of this was their fault and none of this was an acceptable thing to happen. I’m pretty sure they will be fine.
As weird as this may sound to you, I don’t know what your approach is but, don’t remind them of it everyday by “making them talk”, let them speak when they feel the need, but let them forget about it and be kids , too. I really think it’s important to be able to forget.
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I think what you say makes a lot of sense. If possible people should avoid defining themselves by terrible things that have happened in the past. It is important to forget – to a certain extent – and move on.
A couple of people close to me have destroyed their lives by becoming bitter, angry, and paranoid by not moving on from terrible things that have happened in the past. Sometimes you just have to forgive and accept – it takes time but it is possible.
For the children, I agree, it is important that what has happened does not take on a major focus in their lives. It is important that they do not grow up defining themselves primarily as victims of sexual abuse.
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Yes, you understood what I meant. I see parents crying and I think…I’m not crying! that’s why, basically, I think parents are not more affected but maybe affected longer, and see it as a “tragical thing” that makes them cry when the kids basically will remember it as “disgusting and embarassing”.
I mean in the long run. Physical pain gets forgotten as time goes by. The “disgusting” part remains longer , but the “tragical” thing belongs to the parents only, in my opinion.
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Totally agree and understand.
I guess it is important that the parent not pass on the notion of ‘tragic thing’ to their child, if they can help it.
And to not to let what has happened negatively effect the way they interact with their child.
As hard as it must be for Jane* it sounds like she really is handling the situation as best she can, I must say I take my hat off to her. Her kids are lucky to have her.
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yes she is, she sounds fantastic..
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Your experience is very similar to mine in fact. I also understand what you were saying. The thing I always wonder though is what sort of person would *I* have been if it hadn’t happened to me. One the one hand, I am grateful (which sounds bizarre I know) because it’s made me so aware of the risks and ever keen to protect my children. As any parent, I would rather it be me than them. I also feel that I am more likely to pick up signals or danger signs because I’ve seen so much of it before. I do wonder though, would I have been a better person if it hadn’t happened. Maybe a worse person? Maybe I’d be more ‘normal’? I would surely be different.
It’s true that it’s possible to go on and live a productive life, but I can’t imagine that it doesn’t change who we would have been if it hadn’t happened. All life experiences change us, help us grow, or perhaps cause us to regress, but surely something so emotionally and physically traumatic can’t leave us just as we would have been?
This is not a criticism of anything you’ve said by the way – just wondering ‘aloud’ to the group as a whole?
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I don’t take it as criticism and if it were…I wouldn’t mind. It made me think and I am quite sure I would have been a different person.I wouldn’t say I’m “grateful” (lol) but I get what you mean. I personally think it has saved me from abuse in my teenage years, for example. I recognised the look of it, and the premices of grooming sent huge red flags in me that it might not have in a less “knowledgeable” teen.
It has made me alert to the point where I keep an eye on my husband’s hands when he handles our daughter. I don’t say anything out loud,or stress about it as I trust him, I just keep my eye open. I also knew before anyone what was happening to my cousin, and was able to make her open up to me.
It didn’t change me in a terrible way, I really don’t think it has made me a worse person at all, only more grounded and less oblivious of some things, I personally think knowledge is power, even in those areas. Other people might react differently, become paranoid or untrusting, I didn’t, I knew my family was screwed up and not everyone is a pervert. I have a matter of fact approach to sex, my sex life is pretty normal, I’ve been through the normal phases of a woman growing up I think ( bent on pleasing at 20, bent on pleasing MYSELF first at 30) But I’m a pretty resilient person, I just wanted to say that abuse didn’t sign an automatic death sentence to the person you used to be.
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I agree with what you are saying. I was raped when I was a teenager and events unfolded that I couldn’t stay in my home town so I went travelling, and travelled and travelled. I am so glad I did. I agree with what you are saying MBK that everything shapes your life and I am pretty happy with my life right now. And it’s difficult to say that I’m happy about the path that came from being raped without sounding like I’m discounting the serious and hideous act. But, for me, it did come to a point where I needed to take back my life, I wasn’t going to let him steal the rest of it. I never told my parents and I never will. I think they would be more devastated than me and for me, I’m doing fine.
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Thank you all so much for your comments.
Nothing I can write here could express how much gratitude I have for the kind words expressed from you all.
I intend to read through each and every one, and respond accordingly.
I appreciate the strength you have all afforded me.
x
Jane*
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Your story is so powerful, sad and probably sadly very common…..You are an amazing mother/woman to stand so strong for your sons and face the truth of the situation. They will thank you for this when they are strong independant men, as their one and only defender. I have two sons EXACTLY the same age as your….so your story(which is my biggest fear of my entire life, that and living through what Daniel Morcomes mother has to everyday is the other)really resonated with me.
I have tears running down my cheeks as I type, but please know….we have heard you, our hearts break for you and your sons, and we all look forward to a better future for you all.
Sending you strength………
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This is just devastating
(( Good on you for how you are helping the kids get through this!
I was “groomed” by a family friend as a young uni student. He helped me with essays and was very friendly and built a ‘friendship’ with me. I was proud to have an adult friend like him! We got on well. It took about a year or two till he started making really inappropriate and suggestive comments, trying to get me alone (where I was wearing a swimsuit – river, beach). I didn’t notice anything suspicious until those comments, some incredibly direct (“sleep with me”). But I wasn’t a child (I was about 20, he was close to 60 – my parents’ long-time “friend”). I got away from him calmly and next time he called to ask me to go swimming (while his wife and adult son were on holiday), I told him directly that he had betrayed our friendship, that his behaviour was awful and I never wanted to see him again. He claimed he had done nothing wrong!!! I never spoke to him again or confronted his family (they would have said I’d lied), BUT I told all our mutual friends and other friends of mine in the ethnic community we were both in, so the word could get out and other girls might be warned.
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You are a very brave woman and what you and your poor poor children have had to go through is just so incredibly heartbreaking. i wish you and your boys all the very very best that life can offer. And they are lucky to have a caring believing mother .. there are lots of poor children out there that are all alone, my heart aches for these poor souls as well. Life can be so incredibly cruel. I wish you and your boys all the best. I have a very heavy heart and tears but thank you for sharing your story. xx
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Thankyou for telling your story-you are not as alone as you think
What happened to the girls? Thankyou a million times over for believing your children. The number of adults who dont, or who children cant go to just with the fear of not being believed is huge. Why would kids lie? How would they know?
Thankyou for telling your story.
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I am so glad you found the strength to tell your children’s story.
I hope this has helped you realised that you are not alone in this experience and that there are people out there that want to help you.
I don’t have much to add that others haven’t except to say this:
- your boys will get through this hard time, I am absolutely sure of it. They will go on to have productive, happy, loving lives because they have you by their side.
Wishing you lots of strength and courage. P ox
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I don’t have any words.
This is horrific thing for your precious boys to have suffered.
Much love to them both and to you for being such a strong and fantastic mother and support to them.
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so sorry to hear about the story. It’s a horrible thing to hear children tell about abuse they’ve been going through. My children have also been groomed, and I feel sure they’ve been through something with their dad. I’ve rung DOCS and let them know about it a number of times, but they continue to ignore me. It’s as if they’re discounting me because I’m the ex and it’s like they think I’m reporting it to be vindictive towards him. THey’re older now and are making their own decisions about who they spend their time with. I hope they make good decisions. Sadly my oldest doesn’t seem to be making good decisions about that at the moment.
Let me tell you though as a child who went through sexual abuse myself that you’re doing all the right things. It’s not a death sentence. There’s nothing to say that their lives can’t be happy and fulfilled in the future. They are not doomed to have miserable lives, nor are they doomed to repeat the behaviour. I just wanted to tell you that because so often people will hint at things like that. I wish all the good things for you as you continue to deal with this problem. I know it’s hard, but your strength and courage will be wonderful for them.
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Thank you for sharing your story. You are not alone-unfortunately there is too much of this going on in FAMILIES. Our children need to be safeguarded against the very people we should be able to trust our own family members.
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I wish you and your boys the strength of a thousand angels.
We have had experience with family/friends who have suffered at the hands of these vile (note I do not say sick – pedophiles are well functioning people) criminals.
We have bought an interactive CD for children (preschool and early-mid primary) that talks about what are private parts and uncomfortable feelings and what to do when another person may want to impeach on their personal space. Is also helps the kids identify a number of adults they could turn to in a crisis.
The CD is called “Bravehearts”. Proceeds go to support groups for sexual assult.
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Oh this sounds excellent – I’m going to find it.
Thanks
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what a horrible thing.
Although the difficult times are not yet over, there will come a day when you will all feel that the worst is behind you, and that there is joy in your life again.
May that day soon come.
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I feel sick reading this story. But it’s real. It’s painfully real.
Thank you for sharing your children’s story, no matter how painful it was to share with us. I hope that we are just that bit more aware of where our children are, and who they are with. I pray and will think of your kids as they continue their therapy. You are one amazing mum!
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I read this story this morning, and I had tears in my eyes and felt sick and so so sad. How anyone could do this to an innocent child just doesn’t make sense in my mind.
I haven’t been able to stop thinking about the poor little boys and you, their caring beautiful Mum. I hope you all get through this, and I believe you will all be stronger, better people for it.
Cx
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Thank you for sharing your story. It just makes your hairs stand on end to read, but it is so important, and you must not underestimate how many people you will speak to and how many will seek help because of your story. You have done a very good, kind and brave thing.
A family member of mine was imprisoned a few years ago now, 35 years after he committed a repeated sexual crime against a teenage boy. While he was also abused as a child by various people (His grandparents owned a hotel for passers by in a country town and he was left very vulnerable to strangers) I am afraid that the sympathy I felt for him was negligible. Though I feel for the hurt he endured, I cannot accept that he was forced to make such reprehensible decisions due to his background. We all make choices and if he was unable to see right from wrong then he is unfit to function in society. He has since been “rehabilitated” but I am afraid I have distanced myself from that part of the family. I really think this is one of those situations where you really need to see it to accurately judge your reaction to the crime.
The main thing I noticed was how little people wanted to know and how ignorant they wanted to remain. At times I felt I was the only one in the family who could see the pain he caused a young man (now a much much older man) and how he may have ruined the life of someone due to his actions yet people felt almost a hatred towards the victim because he had the “audacity” to come forward. I guess it depends on which side of the coin you fall… It has certainly taught me a valuable lesson that your beliefs about child abuse, regardless of the repercussions or the tides you will swell in your family should NOT be compromised. Perhaps if my family member had the support of a Mother like Jane, his path in life may have been very different. I wish you all the best, Jane.
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I never been more adamant that I wish to be a Social Worker. I have read through every single comment, haunted and enraged.
I first decided to study Social Work when my best friend told me that many of her sisters, and friends at her school had been raped/molested by a music teacher. He had drugged many of them. He filmed much of it. The worst part? Years later, when all the videos came out to the police, many of the girls had to identify their younger selves performing the disgusting actions. Can you imagine what that would be like? One girl even committed suicide following that.
This type of thing is not right, and should never, ever be put up with or silenced. I echo all the previous statements…. Follow instincts. I do intend on going into the sectors of Sexual abuse and Trauma victims when I graduate.. Heres hoping I change some lives for the good… Here’s hoping.
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Absolutely devastating. I have tears for your heartbreak…. I cannot comprehend that your children have been violated in such a horrific way. Bless you for being strong for your children, they are so blessed to have a mother as yourself.
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This story absolutely horrified me and brought tears to my eyes. My heart goes out to you having to hear that your beloved boys had to endure such abuse, but like other readers I’m comforted to hear that they have such a wonderful, strong and loving mother. Hang in there and know that your efforts are making the world of difference to those little boys of yours.
I also applaud your bravery in telling your story. It’s so important for society to know that this sort of thing goes on all the time, so that we can all be more vigilant and protect our precious little ones.
The world needs more parents like you.
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I am so so appalled at what happened to your boys, but I feel so incredibly comforted – even at my distance from your situation – that your boys have such a terrific, terrific mother. Well done you. I hope you can get all the support YOU need too. And remember, of all the things your boys will take from this situation, what they will also take – and what will carry them through this – is that their Mum is so incredible in supporting them. Good luck with everything. x
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My heart goes out to you all. Your story is so terrible. It is dreadful to hear, and so traumatic for you and your beautiful boys. I can’t bear to think how it could be for the girls who are not believed. Thank you so much for sharing. I think people feel so disturbed by these things that they don’t speak about it, which serves to protect abusers. Your boys are so lucky to have such a wonderful, supportive mum.
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OMG! I have shed tears for your situation. Thank you for sharing it. You are such a brave person and a fantastic Mum.
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I don’t know what to say. Thank you for sharing your story.
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I feel sick, and sad.
I feel for this woman and her poor, poor children.
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speechless, am just so so sad.
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As a victim of child abuse, whilst not sexual, still severe enough to have long reaching and quite overwhelming effects upon my psyche, I related to the distress in this letter till about this line:
“I still feel no compassion towards that 14-year-old boy, even knowing that perhaps he’s been through hell himself.”
Then I just went “blah blah blah”, and stopped caring about this woman, her kids and her situation. Sure the 14 year old is messed up, and sure what was done was unacceptable – but in any form of rehabilitation, it needs to BE accepted, whether it is unacceptable or not. It needs to be rationalised, emotions need to be withdrawn, and compassion needs to be applied, rather than vengeance, otherwise the kid’s only gonna get worse.
I am speaking from experience here – on both sides of the fence (different circumstances however).
You can argue, ‘but they are children’. You can complain that I am a single male with no children and I don’t understand. You can insist with the support of your peers that the little scamp should rot in hell. And I will simply laugh at your shortsighted fury, and remind you that the 14 year old is still a kid. Is still someone’s child, and unlike the victims in this
well written tugger of the heart strings -who are most likely recovering fine thanks to exceptional guidance and recovery counseling- is probably facing the wrath of DOCS and potentially the juvenile justice system, with little to no support, save from humiliation and disgrace. Probably going to spiral further out of control.
There’s a little devil’s advocate there. I could go on, but my opinion is pretty clear – everyone in this story lost. Not just the victims.
PS – For those of you that are ‘outraged’ and ‘totally surprised’ and what have you in regards to this… Just makes me think of Helen Lovejoy…
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thankyou for pointing out the other side of this. it needed to be said. although, i understand that the writer was being honest, and in the face of her own children’s distress she could not see or understand the other side, and that can be ok, too. she had to be there for her children, and she simply had no room left for sympathy.
but i really hope that boy got help, i really do. children dont act like that unless they are messed up. that poor boy is messed up for life. i really hope someone cares enough to try to help.
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Well said
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Compassion and forgiveness for the 14 yo may come with time and healing, but it cannot be expected to be immediate.
The 14 yo has also been a victim at some stage and deserves plenty of support too, to get through his issues, but it is up to his family and DoCS to help him, not his victims.
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It is attitudes like yours that cemented my decision to keep my trauma to myself, even as an educated adult.
I sincerely hope you are correct that the children are “most likely recovering fine thanks to exceptional guidance and recovery counseling”. But as someone who has been there, I doubt they will emerge unscathed. And it certainly does not sound like you are untouched by your “abuse”. This one sentence sums it up: “Then I just went “blah blah blah”, and stopped caring about this woman, her kids and her situation”.
This story is told from the perspective of the victims’ mother. And yes, the 14yo may have been through “hell” but a person cannot go through life blaming their actions on their own extenuating circumstances. At some point, the buck has to stop.
And hey, go ahead, “laugh” at my “shortsighted fury” that I was systematically raped as an 8 year old girl. Because, believe me, there is definitely fury. And pain. And scars (physical and emotional). Even 20+ years later.
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If you were truly in tune with a higher level of emotional intelligence, you would have advised the mother to put her anger aside and try to get to a place of acceptance and compassion for the perpetrator – I think anyone associated with a victim of crime would tell you that at first there is blind anger and fury and then, if they’re lucky enough, this will be followed by acceptance and then compassion. This is an emotional journey in itself – please don’t make this woman feel less than for not being in this state yet. I think she is absolutely justified in being solely focused on her own children right now and she has no obligation to give consideration to this 14 year olds state of well-being or fate.
I don’t think you needed to put her down in order to make your point. How does that help anyone?
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You’re right, I could have gone about it a little more kindly, but my opinions are usually direct, without regard for what the person reading them will think.
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until you are the child who has been abused sexually in this or another nature similar to this, you are in no position to give lectures on where our sympathies lay.
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and by the way, as someone who has experienced horrific sexual abuse as a child by four different males, i would never ever consider placing the same harm or hurt onto another human being. yes that 14 year old boy is sick, but he is also responsible and should be held accountable for what he did.
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Don’t get me wrong, I fully believe he should be held accountable, but the point I was trying to get across in a very round about way is that demonising him isn’t going to help the situation, and will probably lead him down an even darker path. It’s not too late to attempt some sort of rescue of the kid, before he ends up a career rapist/paedofile/what have you.
But as I have insinuated before, it’s far easier to lynch someone than it is to try and help steer them along the right path.
People just don’t like it when someone things differently.
edit: I am also using the alleged abuser in place of abusers in general here, because it seems to be a vicious cycle – abuse like this rarely just happens on a whim, there’s usually an underlying cause, be it the theory that the abused continue the abuse or whatever else. But whenever it comes to light, society as a whole seems to just abandon the person causing it, writing them off, branding them a pervert and starting them along the long and horrible fate of being in and out of the prison system.
Having said that, not everyone is capable of rehabilitation, and some genuinely are write offs. Call me idealistic, but I like to think they are the minority.
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I understand what you are saying and I honestly and seriously hope there is some sort of intervention in place for the 14yo so he can fully recover. However your earlier responses (which have now been deleted) were very harsh and seemed to ignore the suffering of the two small boys and insinuated the mother could be exaggerating her story.
Also I agree that the hateful comments towards the 14 yo are off and it would be best if people reconsidered leaving comments with such vitriol but this story is from the POV of the mother so instantly the reader is experiencing empathy for her and trying to place themselves in her shoes, which ultimately stirs up feelings of anger towards the perpetrator as a basic and gut reaction despite his age and past ordeals.
True, it’s not too late to rescue the 14 yo, it’s a good point for society to keep in mind but who is going to do that? The victims’ mother? No, she is not ready, she is still trying to save her own sons. Mamamia readers? We do not know him.
This is an incredibly heart-wrenching story, the author bravely wrote it to create a dialogue about such a taboo subject.
Your thoughts are valid but you have hypocritcally gone about in a very insensitive way to express them.
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Given that my other response detailing that I had been abused was conveniently deleted and I can’t be bother to share it again, I’ll just say that yes, I have been abused by many different people, in many different ways as a toddler and a child. I remember it so very clearly even to this day, where I can’t remember much else from before I was about 14. No it wasn’t cool.
Just to be clear, never once did I say, imply, or even hint that I was OK with what has happened. I was just flipping the issue on it’s head and playing devil’s advocate.
How can you truly ever expect a resolution when there’s nothing but a cycle of hate, with little to no objectivity?
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I do take my hat off to you, that you have been a victim yet are making a stand for the support of the abuser – as I said before, getting to this place emotionally is a huge journey and I applaud you for getting there.
My heart goes out to you for the abuse you have suffered at the hands of childcare workers. As a mother to young children, that totally freaks the hell out of me, that this happened by such trusted people in your life. Hugs.
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All I can say is Yuk. Your sentiments are as valid as anyone else but the place you chose to air them is not. I should like to respond further but frankly this doesn’t deserve any more air time.
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I have totally lost my ignorance / innocence reading all the comments here. I had absolutely no idea about the abuse that goes on. I just cant fathom it. I am nearly 30 and have not been exposed to this at all. I am in shock.
Jane* – You are amazing. Many comments before me have said it far more eloquently, but what an amazing mother and woman you are. I just want to pick you all up and take you away from this. xx
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I am so glad to hear that your boys are seeing a good counsellor. I was a psychologist for many years. I can recall several clients who were abused as children, but not supported well (or at all) or counselled, who then went on as adults to unconsciously place themselves in harm’s way and fall victim to abusers again. The clients who had good support at a younger age didn’t seem to do this.
I’m outraged and terrified by reading your story, but am so honoured you chose to share it. I gave my boys extra hugs tonight, and when they’re a little older will be talking to them about these things.
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Thank you for being brave enough to write this. I have been avoiding the issue of really educating my kids because it’s a case of a bit too close to home. Fortunately I wasn’t abused as a child but both my brothers were (“mild” abuse on the spectrum of abuse, but abused nonethless). I feel horribly disloyal even suggesting that my brothers might do the same that was done to them (and of course as others have said, just because it was done to them, doesn’t mean they will do the same to others). But I know I have to consider the possibility in terms of how I teach my boys.
So if nothing else Jane (and there are many other positives as others have mentioned), your post has prompted me to buy the book “Everyones got a bottom” (just purchased it online now) and has reminded me to be alert. I guess I always have been, but more in a fearful way rather than a proactive way.
You already are a “better, stronger mother”. You are amazing, even if you feel like you’re not. You are strong, despite probably feeling like you’re not. Your boys have a great future now because of what you are doing for them. I hope sharing your story has helped you. And i hope you can find someone to talk to in person – you deserve to be supported too. You are in my prayers and thoughts xx
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So, your ex-husband, who wanted to sweep the whole thing under the carpet, is dating a child care worker who cared enough to report the incident to DOCS. She sounds awesome. Does she know she’s dating an insensitive jerk?
What a sad story, but thank you so much for posting it. It was really interesting, and while I don’t think parents should be paranoid every time their kids are out of sight, it’s something to keep in mind when they go to other people’s places – even family members’ places.
Don’t worry, Jane. Your boys will be fine. You’re doing all the right things. However, the girls whose parents won’t even acknowledge the abuse, let alone ensure they get therapy for it… well, my heart breaks for them.
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I have two little boys. Aged 2.5 and 6. And I am so sorry for what has happened to your boys.
From the age of 7 I was abused by a relative and a family friend, two people. On separate occasions and over the course of 4 years.
I cannot begin to explain the ripple effect that it had on my life, I am still healing.
Since then, I have found love and started a family, but the pain has never left my side. My husband has been incredibly supportive and patient.
When I was ten, I told my mother and she chose not to go to the police, until now, I haven’t fully understood why. She insists that at the time she did not want to add trauma to me. And she has since apologised for it. I often wonder if having had justice and the right support would have changed the course that my life would then take.
I have suffered insomnia, paranoia, bulimia, anxiety disorder, depression, have had destructive relationships, promiscuity, two overdoses (of prescribed anti depressants), alcohol dependancy and self hate. I have since learnt that my mother was repeatedly sexually abused by her father and his associates when she was a child and until she was an adolescent. I am not the only one hurting.
I am protective over my boys and want with every inch of my soul for their childhood be be just that, childhood.
Jane, you have done the right thing, you are doing for your boys what I know my mother (and her mother) wishes she had’ve done for me, and that will stay with them.
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Milli, I have a very similar past and have recently started receiving EMDR therapy, it’s the first thing that’s ever helped.
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For those of you who have told your stories below, and Jane, if you live in Sydney, this is simply the best place in the world to start your healing process:
http://www.carahouse.com.au/
Mary Jo is inspirational. Her work with child abuse survivors yields amazing results. Grief, loss, trauma, she does it all.
There is light at the end of every dark tunnel and for so many children and adult survivors of child abuse, Mary Jo has been the person who guided them to it. I have experienced this first hand, both personally and professionally.
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I have a bit of an issue that I hope some of you may be able to help me with. My partner was sexually abused as a child and repressed those feelings until the age of 23 when he “remembered” and went through a huge emotional ordeal an came to grips with everything. My concern is our kids in the future, how will I know if something is going on? I’m scared that even though I don’t think he would ever hurt a child that maybe he won’t be able to help himself. Everyone has been talking about the relationship that perpetuators have with children, he is always very affectionate with other peoples children and happy to play games etc . Nothing sinister by the looks but I’m now freaking out having read all this. Do I bring it up with him? So confused.
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I watched an Oprah with an audience filled with male sexual abuse survivors. They talked about how one of the most hurtful things is that this myth that children who are abused go on to be abusers. I know this may be the situation in Jane’s* case however my understanding is that this is not the norm. I would seek advice about this before you do anything. I can’t even begin to imagine the trauma it would cause your partner if he knew you even had an inkling of these thoughts. Being a survivor it is most likely that he would be abhorred by the thought of any child being abused let alone him being the perpetrator. My point, don’t bring it up with him until you have the support you need to know how to do it with the utmost of care or else you will be victimising/traumatising him all over again.
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Thankyou for your reply, very wise words
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i would suggest talking to someone professionally to get some idea of the statistics, from memory there is a low rate of abuse from people who were abused as children.
it might also be good to get that weight off your mind. i would guess your partner might need support to when it comes to his own kids, more in regards to the horror he will feel when he looks at his children at the age he was when he was abused.
i have experience with a very close family member who was abused (but not sexually). he would never touch his own kids but really struggled when faced with his own children for whom he feels such intense love, to imagine how anyone could do to them what was done to him. sorry, i am probably not making sense.. it’s late.
wishing you the best x
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Thankyou Jane for your heartbreaking story. I think as mothers
we feel a primal instinct to protect our children but when we are not aware of the depths that sexual abuse has reached in our society among trusted people in our lives it becomes so much harder to do. I was sexually abused too like many on here- by my mother’s father and I was unaware it was happening to my younger sister too. We were sent to stay with my grandparents many times during childhood and the abuse started when I was very young up to 12.
Later it came out that he had also abused my mother and aunty and had spent time in jail when she was 13 for offences committed against her friends…
but inexplicably she thought he was cured and did not tell our father and so she still sent me to stay with them…
I understand now about the shame she must have felt and code of silence and how it was such a shameful secret that was never talked about. We are lucky now that protective behaviors are taught in school-I wonder if it would have made a
difference to me to be told no this is not normal and is not something that happens to every child…
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Jane, how horrific. I almost walked away from reading this it was so hard. No child and no parent should have to deal with this. I think you have done a TREMENDOUS job, the very fact that your sons were able to open up to you so quickly and how you are dealing with this to help them recover is a fine, fine example. Perhaps you could find a support group OR FOUND a support group for parents and family members in the same position as you. That way you could help yourself and others even more. I hope that you are all able to heal from this one day. Best wishes to you and your lovely boys,
Anna
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Heartbreaking story made more so by its many versions from the commentators on here.
May you all find some sense of peace and take pride in the courage of your actions.
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My heart goes out to your family xxxx Thank you for sharing so that others may be able to help their own children.
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*Disclaimer – this is a very sensitive question. Please do not attack me for asking, and please answer respectfully.
I feel uncomfortable asking this but I am curious. It’s known that some offenders have been abused themselves, hence the cycle of abuse.
What would stop Jane’s sons from growing up and maybe going down this road in the future?
I know good parenting and counselling of course helps, but is it 100% effective in preventing the abuse cycle to continue when the child matures?
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One would hope that the boys are learning a very valuable lesson by the reaction this abuse to them has caused.
The love, understanding, belief and support of their Mother, the actions of the authorities and the absence of the abuser will hopefully all serve as very clear indicators that what happened to them was WRONG.
By highlighting the issue to them, by making it ok for them to talk about it and reinforcing that what was done to them was wrong, will help cement the message so they would never even consider such a thing.
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Hmmm I’m wondering what kind of answer you are hoping for.
‘As the 1989 Harvard Uni psychology by B Bloggs shows…’
What are you trying to say here?
I mean kids who have been abused may end up becoming abusers themselves. But children who have never been abused may become abusers too. Nothing is 100% always totally effective. But a kid who has such a wonderful mum as Jane sure has a pretty good chance at growing up to be an awesome adult too.
How can you ask if effective parenting is 100% effective? What kind of an answer are you hoping for? I do find your post weird. There are no ‘for sure’s for anything in this world. We all just have to treat each other with respect and love and do our best. Rather than making veiled insinuations – which is what your post comes across as to me.
Sensitive question? I felt that it was a horrible question.
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I suppose the thing to look at is this. Certainly some abusers were abused themselves. But, and I say this without any genuine evidence, there are thousands more victims/survivors of sexual abuse who don’t continue the cycle – being abused doesn’t mean you will become an abuser. There has to be something more to it than that.
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My ex partner (we were together 6 years) was abused over a number of months by an older boy at Scouts. My ex’s big fear was that he too would become an abuser. The pychologist he saw told him that while there are many abusers who were indeed abused, there are more survivors again who were abused and who do not become abusers. I can’t give any stats or data to back support that arguement, but I know the deep deep comfort it bought my ex.
*Jane, I wish you and your boys the very best. Know that you are in peoples thoughts and hearts.
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I had the same question for the police involved in my case. I was like “I don’t want to abuse kids….but what if something just clicks in me one day and I start doing it because of what happened to me?” and they were like yes, abusers can have been abused, but so many people are abused – the statistics are 1/4 girls I believe – that not everyone becomes an abuser. Some people just seem to have the “wrong wiring”. And, often it’s those who’ve never talked about it who end up going on to commit it. It’s those who’ve never had a chance to tell anyone they’ve been hurt.
Sure, it could happen. But Jane’s kids could also grow up to become the greatest advocate of child survivors. They could grow up to become a dentist or a tightrope walker. Or a lawyer. Or they could grow up with a phobia of peanut butter sticking to the roof of their mouth. Or they could grow up hating to do the washing…y’know? Just because something like this has happened leaves no guarantee that they will go on to repeat the cycle. And I think Jane has given them the best chance possible.
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This is so very sad. I hope your boys can heal.
Thank you for your courage in sharing your story, Jane. I wish you and your family the best.
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*Jane, I feel for you as one who has experienced this horrible event second hand, when I was only 14. My best friend came to me two years ago, crying. I begged her to explain. She didn’t want to talk so I held her for hours. Eventually, she began to talk about how he brother, four years older than her, had been sexually abusing her since the age of four. My strong clever girl had never spoken out because he was the golden one in their family and she knew she would be blamed.
I won’t go into details, but as a four year old she has experienced things no four year old should ever, ever have to face.
For two weeks, I held her hand until I could get her to tell out student welfare officer. Now, he is not allowed to see her and she can begin to be a normal teenager without those hideous threats hanging over her head.
I know how serious it is when the police are brought in and I hope all goes well.
Most of all, I hope that the little girls are recognized as abuse victims so that they don’t get caught in a ten year cycle like my friend as I would never, ever wish that on anyone else.
I hope you can begin to imagine how much I hope you can get through this. I am sending you and your sons all my love and I pray you will all not feel better, but feel secure and safe.
Love, Caitie
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I’ve also been through it second hand with my best friend. It broke my heart to read her police statement and learn all the details for the first time of the abuse she had suffered at the hands of an authority figure.
Your friend was lucky to have somone as supportive as you helping her out.
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Oh Jane, my heart just breaks for you. I can’t imagine what you would have felt hearing your boys explain what happened. It’s just horrifying and I think you are extremely brave in sharing your story. Thank you.
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DEVASTATING.
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I have a slightly different point of view that I don’t think has been delved into so I thought it might be worth writing about. It is stuff that I have only just begun to unpack in my own life so bear with me.
My mum was abused as a child, probably by her parents.
The result, since she never really dealt with it, was a spiral into mental illness and alcoholism.
My mum, from an INCREDIBLY early age, began (and this is the only word I can think of) indocrinating me about the dangers of other people, in particular men. Men were to be feared, sex was to be feared, rape and abuse could happen at any time… those were her CONSTANT messages.
Obviously, she was trying to instill protective behaviours in me, but her messages had a very deep and disturbing effect on me. I really have grown up with a lot of fear in my life that have prevented me from doing certain things for fear of being raped- it feels like an omnipresent threat in my life despite the fact that I have never been abused myself.
When I was about 16, symptoms of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder began manifesting in my personality. One of the little-known symptoms of OCD is repetitive sexual thoughts of a disturbing nature. These thoughts are deeply unwelcome and feel like a repetitive attack. Long story short, through therapy I have come to understand that those messages of fear about sexuality, sex, rape and men that my mum imprinted at such a young age have manifested themselves in a deep anxiety, and as OCD is an anxiety disorder, my primary symptom happens to be sexual thougths of a very unpleasant and unwelcome nature.
I suppose there are two messages here. The first is to teach your children to approach the world with caution, but not fear. Despite the fear parents may feel, it is important not to allow your children to be tangled into that web of fear.
The second is that the effects of sexual abuse does not just affect one person. Here am I, at 26 years of age, feeling the effects of my mothers abuse some 40 years after it occured.
The effects are like a ripple on a pond that can travel through generations with devastating effects.
Love to all.
xxxx
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I would agree with that wholeheartedly, though I am dreadfully sorry you are an example of how this happens. I mentioned elsewhere that the challenge for me, as a survivor of abuse is to protect my children without them fearing the world. Teach them how to be safe without them expecting danger around every corner. In some of the things we do, it’s a game, especially the role playing. My son thinks it’s hilarious that he gets to put his hand in front of my face in a ‘stop’ gesture and yell ‘NO’ at the top of his voice. This is fun, not just because there are no ramifications, but his mother positively cheers him for his great work!
Also this is not something that has to be done all the time. You don’t want them dwelling on it. While you may need to go over it a few times initially so they understand, once they’ve got it, a review every few months *at the most* is all it takes, at least it works for me. I SO agree with you, it’s such a fine line to tread between building their confidence and creating undue fear.
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I’m amazed and thankful for your comments. My husband is in almost the same situation. We believe that his mother and her sister were abused (they are both deceased now).
The result was that my husband’s mother taught him to fear everyone and in particular to worry about being raped.
My husband was diagnosed with OCD over ten years ago and lives with a very high level of generalised anxiety all the time. He has gone through so much counselling and has learnt so much but the affects of his mother’s abuse are still crushing for him on a daily basis.
We’re on a continuous mental journey of working out a better response to certain situations, to understand when it’s her voice in his head, and how to use his own judgement on how to do things, but we’re getting there.
I really feel for you, but want you to know that there are other people out there who have suffered in a similar way. All the best with your journey. xx
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Jane, you are so brave and strong to tell your story and I hope with all my heart that your sons will heal. It makes me sick that such beautiful little boys would have to go through that. My thoughts are with the three of you xxx
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I read a story in a magazine silmilar to this recently but it was the step-father’s two teenage boys who came to stay every second weekend who were doing it to their younger stepbrothers. This stuff just makes me sick to my stomach.
Jane, I’m so glad you had the courage to share this story and remind people that it’s often family members that we have to be wary of. I’m so sorry this happened to your boys and I just hope they, and you, will be ok in time x
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aww Jane* I want to send you so much hugs, support and well wishes, thanks for listening to your kids, this is such a huge reminder for all of us to be wary of, thank you for sharing your story.
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I am not really sure what to say, but thank you for sharing, I feel very sad and shocked to read this as.
I have two boys 5 and 3 (which have very simalar personalities) and would be very devestating for them or anyone to go through this trauma.
I will keep my mind open, my eyes very open that it can happen to anyone from anyone!!!
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