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The world famous Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition cover has leaked for 2012 and it shows model Kate Upton in all her bikini-clad glory, but er. without her vagina.

Jezebel asks: “So did they photoshop out part of Kate’s cleft of Venus, to put it delicately? Really the whole area meets her thighs in kind of a flat, strange way—even a Barbie doll has more realistic, prominent-looking genitalia.”

That’s right. They have completely removed any trace of the fact that Kate has a vagina. At all.

Last year we brought to your attention the fact that all the vaginas we see in magazines are digitally altered.  All of them.

It came to a head when a bunch of Playboy memorabilia was auctioned by Christies. Among the items for sale were some original prints of Playboy bunny centrefolds complete with their original mark-up notes. These are the written instructions given by the art director about what must be digitally altered.

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Even though these proofs are from the 90s, before air-brushing became as extreme as it is today, there are still loads of alterations to ‘soften’ nipples, ‘remove stubble’ and ‘thin’ pubic hair as well as remove all stretch marks, blemishes and cellulite.

But what about the vaginas? Oh yes, they have to be air-brushed too. Although it is not enshrined in law like it is in Australia.

At the time of the auction Mia wrote: “The debate around censorship and female body parts in magazines is one that I dealt with at Cosmo, you can read more on that here. In short, the laws in Australia legislate that you MUST air-brush vaginas to ‘heal it to a single crease’ so that no outer parts of the labia are shown, apparently it’s too rude to show what a REAL vagina looks like.

Journalists Kirsten Drysdale and Ali Russell investigated the link between censorship and the increase in labiaplasty amongst young women on  on Hungry Beast.

If I handed you a pencil and paper and asked you to draw a vagina*, odds are you would come up with something like this:
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Which is interesting, considering only a small minority of mature females actually have fannies that look like that. Little girls – yes, that’s pretty much what they all look like. But grown women? The vast majority have a least a peep of their ‘inner lips’ showing, even when standing upright with their legs together while sipping Earl Grey from gold-rimmed Royal Doulton and nibbling on homemade shortbread. For many women, it’s more than just a ‘peep’ – some have full-blown dangly blossoms on display. This has nothing to do with how much sex they’ve had, their state of arousal or whether they’ve borne children (although, so what if it was?). It’s simply the way they are built.

So from a purely statistical standpoint, there’s something fishy about the fact that none of the women in soft porn mags have ‘outies’. Go and see for yourself – flick through Picture, People or Penthouse and see if you can find a single instance of a punani that looks like this:

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You won’t.

And it’s not because they’ve chosen to only photograph women with ‘innies’. Many of those models actually have outies in real life, which have been ‘healed to a single crease’ (that’s the charming term used in the magazine industry) with the aid of image editing software. Think of it as ‘digital labiaplasty’.

It’s important to be clear that this is not something magazines do to suit the taste of their readership. Although mainstream pornography is hardly known (or appreciated) for a commitment to realism, in this particular case it’s a different issue. They’re not removing lady bits because people don’t want to see them, in the same way they smooth out cellulite or remove blemishes. They’re removing them because as far as the Classification Board is concerned, the labia minora are too rude for soft porn. It’s as though the censors think you could only possibly see it by spreading your legs or pulling your flaps apart.

If you still don’t believe me – go and pick up a copy of the ‘Unrestricted Category’ (M15+) Penthouse and compare it with Penthouse Max (the ‘Category 1’ R18+ version of the mag). I did this at the recommendation of the Classification Board, and found it a very enlightening little exercise. You’ll see exactly the same girls, from exactly the same photoshoot – and in some cases, exactly the same photographs – which will illustrate very clearly how they’ve been ‘tidied up’ in the softer version.

And they don’t even have to be very ‘messy’ to begin with. Take this example from the February editions of Penthouse and Penthouse Max:

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Heaven forbid minors – or people in Queensland, where only the Unrestricted category is legal – see what a real vagina can look like!

There’s a clause, you see, in Australia’s Classification Guidelines that concerns how much nudity is acceptable for soft porn. It says:

“Realistic depictions may contain discreet genital detail but there should be no genital emphasis.”

Need I point out the irony in the fact that the way the Board applies this rule results in highly unrealistic depictions of nudity? Or that at a time of fierce debate over whether a person’s physical appearance (regardless of their actual age) should be a factor in deciding whether they could incite paedophilia, the Classification Board is preventing obviously mature pussies (the growth of labia minora happens during puberty) from being shown in soft porn?

And WTF does ‘discreet genital detail’ mean anyway? Well, according to the Board member we spoke to, it’s obvious:

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Kirsten Drysdale

Yeah well I guess genital detail’s that, we can have discreet genital detail in Unrestricted and I guess that means genital, well, detail is pretty straightforward, so discreet means little or no or very little detail or not prominent, so it’s sort of quite clear on what is not allowed, if that makes sense…

No, it doesn’t really.

Well, genital detail. It’s just the detail of the genitals. Like if it’s not specific in our guidelines we use the Macquarie Dictionary meaning for those terms. And genital detail is details of the genitals. So, I guess in Unrestricted you can have discreet genital detail, and whatever that means, you combine that also with a pose, and with everything.

Clear as mud. And highly subjective. One person’s ‘discreet’ could be another’s ‘explicit’. And detail? What exactly constitutes ‘detail’? Can you show pubes? Can you show the clitoris? Can you show the eye of the penis? Can you show the wrinkles of a scrotum? Or can you only show genitals in soft-focus giving a general idea of shape?

The Classification Board’s denial that they are effectively censoring a particular body type is a first class lesson in spin. Have a read of their response to our written enquiry seeking clarification on the rules about nudity in ‘Unrestricted Category’ publications and how they pertain to the depiction of labia minora for yourself:

In considering each classifiable element, including nudity, the Board makes classification decisions based on the impact of individual elements and their cumulative effect. Both the content and treatment of elements contribute to the impact. The Board takes into account the concepts underlying individual descriptions and depictions, and assesses factors such as emphasis, tone, frequency, context and the amount of visual or written detail in those descriptions and depictions.

This is the same excuse they’ve been using ever since these guidelines were redrafted in 1999. Because no one factor alone is used to classify an image or publication, they can claim that photos of women with protruding inner lips are refused for any one of those other reasons – ‘oh, we can’t speculate on individual cases, but it must have been something else that was a problem, there’s nothing in the guidelines that says labia minora aren’t permitted’.

Horse’s arse.

They don’t allow it, and they know it.

 

*DISCLAIMER: Yes, I know I should be using the word vulva. The vagina, technically, is the ‘muscular tube leading from the external genitals to the cervix of the uterus’. The vulva refers to the external part (the ‘lips’, clitoris, etc) which is obviously what we are talking about here. However – the term vulva is not used in everyday language to describe the external female genitalia of humans, so for the sake of making the point clear I’ve opted to use the word vagina in this article as it is commonly (though not entirely accurately) used.

Kirsten Drysdale is a reporter/presenter for the ABC’s Hungry Beast and a researcher on The Gruen Transfer.

WARNING: The video contains imagery that is not safe for work, including a labiaplasty surgery scene. Story by Kirsten Drysdale and co-produced by Ali Russell republished with full permission from the authors.

This should be mandatory reading and viewing in schools. Just like the Dove advertisement which deconstructed what goes on in the making of your typical beauty image, girls and women of all ages need to know that the vaginas (vulvas!) they see in men’s magazines do not exist.

Imagine for a moment if someone in the censor’s office had decided that testicles were too ‘explicit’. Imagine that to be sold over the counter at a normal newsagent, your naked pictures of men had to have their testicles digitally removed.

Yes, digital castration. Think there might be an outcry? Think the censorship laws might be overturned?

So what exactly is it about female genitals that are so ‘explicit’ and offensive that they must be removed?

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  1. A

    I’m a guy with a fetish for innies, and I don’t feel apologetic or bad about it. It’s just a matter of taste. Likewise, I’ve met a lot of men who are into big lips, so don’t worry, they’re out there too. I’m with the Chairman, let a hundred flowers bloom :)

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  2. mid40s

    I can share what censorship was and is like in the UK on female genitalia. As you will guess I no not believe in censorship for adults. In the 70s all you would see where playing cards of busty women from the 60s with airbushed pubic hair and all sign of labia/vulva removed. Women turned into sexless statues. At school sex ed was line drawings of internal organs. As useful as a dissected frog. It was quite a shock to see women had hair in movies in the late 70s that covered the labia completed so I was still naive to lady parts. It took second hand european mens magazines at school to finally see a real vulva. At first it was a little off putting but that did not last long!!! ;-) In the 80s most mens magazines would show softten photos as above. So for a lot of men the only way to view women in all their beauty was as a girlfriend or explicit stripper and most towns banned strip shows of women and men. Ironically it was male strippers that changed that local law in my city. Only in the late 90s did they show more explicit uncensored photos of women but no sex in magazines. Up until 2003 you could not show a womans open legs in a UK “adult” movie and no real sex in print or video media. Pubeless women started to cause the censors problems in move as they had relied on hairyness to do the censoring. Because of our membership of the EU movie importers overturned the censorship laws and since then 18+ movies have been available from licensed sex shops. The growth of the internet has made all this pointless as there is no effective censorship any more. The UK censors have one last stand and that is to restrict what is shown on TV even if it is encrypted. On unencrypted TV you can show fully naked men but you cannot show women’s genitals. On encrypted you can show genitals of men and women but no real female with male sex. Only brief semi erect penises are all straight women get to see but you will at least be able to compare yourselves to the actresses for labia.

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  3. joe

    ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
    ive got a penis and ive got alot of puberty

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  4. Josh

    At least it’s just being cut digitally.

    Males are being mutilated at birth to fit disgusting “ideals” thatAmericans have about genitals.

    Get over the human body, Americans are such a bunch of 4th graders.

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  5. Anonymous

    Want to see every kind of anatomic variation posible being represented?

    Watch more porn.

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  7. Cee in Jacksonville

    Kirsten, this is a really informative and thought-provoking article, but I have to say I found it distracting and annoying as all hell to see you refer to the vulva as the vagina. Frankly, your disclaimer made me even more annoyed because, while you acknowledge that many people inaccurately (and ignorantly) call vulvas “vaginas”, you are continuing the inaccuracy and ignorance by perpetuating their mistake. I would have reached through the computer and hugged you if you had started the article with a disclaimer that said something like:

    “Before you read this article, let’s discuss terminology. Although many people refer to a woman’s genitalia as her “vagina”, what we really see on the outside is actually the “vulva”. The vagina, technically, is the ‘muscular tube leading from the external genitals to the cervix of the uterus’. The vulva refers to the external part (the ‘lips’, clitoris, etc) which is obviously what we are talking about here. Although the term vulva is not used in everyday language to describe the external female genitalia of humans, I have opted to use the word vulva in this article for the sake of accuracy and edification.”

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  8. caris

    Kirsten Drysdale, I too enjoy saying the word ‘vagina’.

    Vagina.

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  9. Anonymous

    My new boyfriend told me he doesn’t like Brazillians, that he thinks ” it’s a bit pedo ‘ (his words). It almost made me fall in love with him. I’m sure he couldn’t give a toss about my vulva either. Lucky me it seems. I’m quite distressed about the world my daughter is growing up in.

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  10. Belinda

    Oops, I’m 37 yo and I didn’t know some women had outties. wow, what an eyeopener!

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  11. Shelly85

    I found this article really interesting. I have an ‘innie’ and never really thought about the different size and shape vaginas come in. I think a lot of women can feel very insecure about how they look down there and there is very little out there to offer a basis for comparison! I’m sad to hear that many women perceive ‘normal’ vaginas to look like those that have been photoshopped. Hopefully articles such as this can reassure women that there are many different vagina/vulvas out there just as there are different faces and body types.

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  13. Anonymous

    Slightly amused that all the airbrushing in magazines is aimed at the male consumer but I’ve never heard a male anywhere at any time complain that the real labia/vulva they’ve seen before them doesn’t fit the airbrushed ideal. :)

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    • missamoo

      recently i heard both a young girl and youngish guy say they thought “outies’ were gross. As an outie i kept my mouth shut!

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      • anon

        I’m sorry, but as a woman with an innie they are Gross!!!!!!!!

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        • Susan As Well

          It’s a good thing that you’re a woman then. Every man I’ve ever known couldn’t give a hoot whether it’s an innie or an outie … just so long as it’s accessible ;)

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        • Missamoo

          I’m sorry too, I’m sorry that you think there is only one kind of beautiful, I’m sorry you will not enjoy extra tickles I get to my outie, I’m sorry no one will describe your lady parts as a lovely open flower or as delicious,I’m sorry you feel the need to be judgemental but most of all I’m sorry you felt the need to insult me. I have had both men and women as lovers and ALL without exception have enjoyed me and my outie

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          • Guest

            I have had quite the opposite reaction to yours, I am an innie. I am always told by men how beautiful my vagina looks and how nice it is to not have all that extra “stuff”. I certainly wouldn’t go as far as saying outies are gross. I would just say I much prefer my innie and so has every man I have been with. I have also just asked my husband what he thinks. His reply was “what guy is going to say it, they would never get sex”. And before you start running my husband down he is the most sweetest guy you will ever meet he’s just being 100% honest. As to you being offended, are you not offending by saying you are sorry for her? Think about it.

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            • Missamoo

              Never said I was sorry for her but you cannot tell some one you think they are ugly or less than you because they are different and then say I’m sorry. I think everyone is meant to be different and like different things I wasn’t running any one down I was illustrating my own self love. I don’t wish to live my life wishing to be thinner younger richer taller or with a different vulva and labia. I think it’s mean to suggest some one is gross or that any part of a woman is something she should be ashamed of. Or do you think anon is right and perhaps I should book in to surgery to look more like you at the risk of sensation and so many other things. Perhaps while im there I should make my nose more uniform and remove the middle eastern curve. What else about me is not up to scratch? Maybe I worded my reply in a way you didn’t like but I didn’t straight out call any one gross or ugly or wrong.

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  14. not a moron

    For the love of god, please use the proper terminology!
    If you mean labia, use the word.
    Vulva- also easy to type.

    I’m seriously over being patronised like this. If you don’t use the correct words how will the human race ever learn?

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    • rachael1260

      I read a great deal of the posts and threads below before deciding to add to this discussion.

      It does seem crazy to try to set the population straight about the huge diversity of vulvas out there if we can’t even attempt to set the population straight about the correct usage of the words “vagina” and “vulva”. One sage commenter below (somewhere) pointed out that we don’t use the terms “testicles” and “penis” interchangably!

      And Rick, in reference to one your comments below, … As an editorial representative taking part in the discussion, it might be a little more courteous to respond to a comment about this misusage of terminology with something less defensive than “We know! There’s a disclaimer…” (paraphrased, I know, but can’t be bothered trawling through all the comments again to quote it verbatim). Perhaps you should acknowledge the comments of this type as an opportunity to address an issue that a number of women feel is important. Testicles/penis….the difference isn’t just a technicality.

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  15. Remi

    Here’s an idea- we should all post a pic of our labia and then we will TRULY see the diversity!! :D

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  16. belinda

    Women are at a disadvantage to men in being able to compare: we don’t stand at the urinal having a discreet peep at the guy next to us, to see how we compare. Which is not to say I want to get rid of cubicles!

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    • Mid40s

      Believe me looking at the guy’s genitals next to you in a public toilet is an invite to be punched to some men. It is the last thing most men I know would think about doing. Things may be better now but homophobia in my generation was expected so anything as innocent as looking at each other in the school showers below the waist was a no-no. You would spend half the time worrying that you may get a uncontrollable random semi in the showers due to your teenage homones and the embrassment that would cause. Even now most men would avoid errections in front of their friends unless it was an orgy. Most men only comfortably view other mens genitals in porn and since most of those are picked for length or have had operations to make them appear longer they are not a good example. So most men are in a similar position as to what variation on penis is out there. Most porn also does not show flaccid penis so you do not get a good guide to were you compare. Also the size of a flaccid penis is also not guide to its erect size. If porn is the standard then pubeless is now a norm too for men. However I did find out that my foreskin was tighter that normal as it does not retract anything like the porn men. Everyone is different.

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  17. Guest

    I remember going to my gyno in my 20s because I was worried about weird ruffly bits on my inner labia. She took one look and said “you are completely normal”.

    I grew up in a pre brazillian and pre www world so the only other fannies I had ever seen was a sealed section in a Cleo or Cosmo (late 80s/early 90s) and the occasional sneak peek at a Playboy.

    The video should be compulsory viewing for young women.

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  18. Sophie

    I find it quite offensive that the article says No vagina looks like that. Mine does so does that make me not a real woman because according this article only a child looks like that???? Very offensive.

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    • Em

      Love it. You’re kidding right?

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      • Sophie

        Well you have made me cry so what do you think? and i won’t be coming back here so don’t respond i won’t be reading it.

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        • Anonymous

          LOL! Now people get upset when they have “perfect” bits!

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    • Anonymous

      I look a little girl also apparently but to be honest I thought all girls looked the way that I do. I have never given it any thought as to how woman look. It was not until I saw this story a few months ago did I learn that we were all different. I personally prefer the way that that I look but I didn’t know any different till a few months ago.

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    • S

      Mine too Sophie!

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  19. Jane

    Wow, bit of an eye opener. I knew photos in magazines were photoshopped but never realised vaginas were too. Although I don’t buy magazines with naked women in them to know. Lol. I don’t understand though the need to compare ourselves with others. Well, I should rephrase it I guess, compare and think ours are worse than everyone else’s bits/body parts and need to be fixed. I was bought up to believe that we all come in different shapes, sizes, height, skin colour etc. Why would you want to look like someone else? I think the Censorship Board needs to make amendments to their code of conduct. How can removing a body part altogether be acceptable? Oh and if you are reading soft porn magazines, how can seeing a real vagina be any less offensive than being the model on the cover who gets her kit off for a men’s mag? And labiaplasty? I had an episiotomy with 13 stitches, no bloody way I’d actually pay money for a surgeon to not only stick another needle in my bits, but to cut part of them off. Bugger that! I totally understand and fully support any woman who would go through that due to being self conscious about her bits, but I wouldn’t. Whether an outie or an innie, I don’t care, as long as all the bits and pieces are working. Imagine if they had to photoshop the bulge out of men’s underwear photos. The men would be up in arms!

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    • mid40s

      I think they would want them increased if in a woman’s mag! ;-) . Although I did see a David Beckham UK advert on TV for mens underwear that completely censored showing his bulge with clever camera angles. One reason is the advertisers/censors think men are still to homophobic to see another man’s bulge and they do think his bottom appeals better to the wives/girlfriends who would most likely buy the pants for their men. I could not careless if they showed his bulge. What do women think?

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  20. elle

    Until i watched a doco about labioplasticity a couple of years ago (I am 22) I never even thought about whether my vulva/vagina was normal or not. But then I saw the doco and the woman getting surgery had lips only a little bigger than mine and I thought oh my god! i must have really big lips! maybe i should be getting surgery too! i then hated my vagina/vulva and wished it to be neat and tidy like ‘normal girls’. However, none of my boyfriends have ever mentioned it or seemed to have issue with it. I asked my boyfriend at the time and he said he loved it and it was sexy imagining it wrapping around his dick..so I try not to worry so much now

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    • missamoo

      All my partners (and there have been a few) have said they love my vulva and the fact that i open like a flower. I never thought it was much of a deal everyone is different i grew up dancing and saw more than my fair share of all bits. Honestly its a weird compliment i couldn’t give a shit what it looks like it works and it has given me much pleasure over the years and one day it will bring me my babies

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  21. Sara R

    My friends 14 year old wants a brazilian because all her friends have one – um what??
    These images are really warping females of all ages…what next – boob job for her 16th?
    Anyone else having these probs with their teenage girls? Mine is only 3 years old and i’m scared…..

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  22. Anon

    Thank you for this article.
    I have quite an outie, but it’s something that I’ve only really noticed in the past couple of years. I can’t even remember what it looked like before – was it less of an outie? I really don’t know – and I’ve even been too embarrassed to ask my husband if I have changed.
    All I know is that I now feel sooo self conscious whenever I wear bathers or tights at the gym – I don’t have the ‘flatness’ between my legs that others do that I see in mags.
    I’ve also been too embarrassed to get a Brazillian due to the ‘way I look’.
    Now, I might just make that appointment!
    Whilst I think I will always feel self conscious about that region at least I know I’m not alone and the beautician may not think I’m a freak after all!
    :)

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    • Anon for this

      My attitude to this, and to all body woes, is to ask how far you’re willing to go to get it fixed. I know I’m certainly not willing to get labioplasty, Botox or boob implants – so I have simply changed my viewpoint, knowing that nothing will change, and decided to accept my body the way it is! It is happier this way, I swear.

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    • Guest

      Many men are just as adoring of an ” outie ” as an ” innie ” just as many prefer smaller or larger breasts on their partners, beauty is in the eye….. Confidence however is being eroded by ignorant stereotypes which leave women ( much more than men ) suffering from a sense of abnormality and ugliness which I find both sad and completely unjustified.

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  23. Mish

    A friend of mine works in graphics, and his wife works as an editor for adult magazines. About 10 years ago he told me that the photographer would take photos of the models arm bent up close and would superimpose the elbow crease onto the vagina and blend the edges. Elbow sex, anyone?!

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  24. lucinda

    Do many people really have outies like that picture??? I had no idea they could look like that lol… I don’t go around looking at other people’s vulvas and I wouldn’t know what is published in men’s magazines. Nor do I particularly care if they are photoshopped. I don’t quite understand why anyone would give a sh*t… If it bothers anyone, a good solution would be to stop being such perves and read a book instead of examining vulvas in magazine photoshoots. Enrich your minds with something worthwhile. This is not it. That is all :P

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    • Anonymous

      One of the issues is that is causes women (and their men) to have an unrealistic idea of how they should look. There has been a sharp increase in plastic surgery to ‘correct’ what are now perceived as ugly vagina/vulvas. With all the other body image issues we are already faced with it is ludicrous that this should add to the difficulty. People are not going to stop buying porn. Porn should not be censored in this way, to ‘heal’ a natural body feature, but focus more on censoring violent and degrading images.

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    • Angelina Ballerina

      I think you have completely missed the point of the article.
      Try reading it again.

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      • lucinda

        I haven’t missed anything… I just don’t care about the issue or understand why other people do. And I don’t agree. Most women do NOT have a “crack” showing in their bathers/bikini. Plenty of women do not have a “mound”. And plenty of women are innies. We all know our genitalia varies on outward appearance. Few people in the world are comparing their bits to what they see in porn magazines, and if they are they need a reality check.This is just an excuse for women to whinge about something else.

        I have no intention of reading the article again either – I had enough trouble staying awake the first time, but thanks for the advice.

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        • Anonymous

          How do you know. You didn’t even know women looked different to you until now..

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        • Guest

          This is the reality check ….. You need to find some compassion for those less sure of themselves. Ignorance may be bliss, but self consciousness creates empathy and community.

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        • Jamie

          “We all know our genitalia varies on outward appearance.”

          If this were true, there would be no demand for labiaplasty other than for medical reasons.

          95% of Australian males have viewed porn by the age of 13 and 100% by age 18. Every survey on this issue consistently shows that increasing numbers of women are feeling pressured by their sexual partners to look and act like porn stars. If the way women’s bodies are presented in porn has not affected your life then you’re in the minority – be thankful.

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        • Anonymous

          Congratulations on being the most ignorant and self absorbed person to comment on this article.
          Your lack of compassion demonstrates your lack of awareness of anything that doesnt immediately impact on you.
          Goodluck in life with this attitude.

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          • Anonymous

            Not to mention she tried to take the high road about content consumption and then used the ‘word’ lol. Really?

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    • Anon for this

      I didn’t know that adult women had innies.

      There you go.

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  25. Anonymous

    I hope there has been photoshopping of this v_____ insert which ever word you prefer and not the result of the way she is standing an the tiny bikini bottoms, because otherwise Kate is being told her v______ “meets her thighs in kind of a flat, strange way—even a Barbie doll has more realistic, prominent-looking genitalia” by women passionate about the fact all women and their bits are different! so to me that seems just as messed up as airbrushing v_____’s!

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  26. tanlee

    I’m in my forties and didn’t even know ‘outies’ existed until a couple of months ago. How shocking is that?

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    • Anon for this

      I just said elsewhere that I wasn’t, from my own experience, aware that women had innies. We’re all learning something today!

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    • Anonymous

      I didn’t know either!!

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  27. Furry

    I’m still waiting for research into the reasons why Brazilians are now so popular and the effect the porn industry has had on this. It is terrible that we don’t see “normal” (ie untouched) people, and so our comparisons are just with some level of fantasy rather than the real world. I feel sorry for my children growing up into this.

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    • stuckinmiami

      I know how you feel. I am about to have laser hair removal on my bikini line and it’s actually cheaper to get the Brazilian done than the bikini line. The woman taking my booking kept trying to convince me to book the Brazilian as its cheaper, but I resisted.
      I am the mother of two little girls and I don’t want them growing up thinking that pubic hair is gross and unnatural!

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      • K8

        Im 23 and just about every guy I’ve been with in the last few years expected you to have a Brazilian.

        My ex who I was with for nearly 2 years was repulsed by pubic hair and after we had been together for a few months confessed that he was nearly going to break up with me because I never waxed. After that he would pay for my waxing.

        Imagine what that did for my confidence! We even discussed breast implants as my A cup size was not what he preferred. He was willing to pay! It hit a low point when he mentioned my vulva was uneven.

        I blame pornography. Everything I’ve ever seen on the net or in print depicts girls with hairless perfect genitals. Boys believe that is normal.

        My new boyfriend couldn’t care less. It’s nice to be told your beautiful and not what he wants to fix.

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        • Anonymous

          Your ex sounds like a asshat.

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  28. Melly

    I saw a doco of a touring workshop kind of thing that goes around high schools in the UK. They show a variety of naked bodies (both men & women) to 15 or so year old boys and girls. In the same room.
    Close ups of vagvulvas & pensticles galore. Also of different shaped & different sized (shock, horror on the same person!) breasts.
    The teenagers reactions were fantastic.

    Maybe they should do the same for adults and teenagers in Australia.

    Sounds like we need it.

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    • Jess88

      The Sex Education Show!! It’s brilliant hey, wish they had that when I was at school.

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    • Mo5

      That was an excellent show! I forced my kids to watch that lol

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    • skullstuffing

      A similar thing is this website where women have donated pictures of their breasts so people get an idea of what real women look like and the variety that is possible: http://www.007b.com/breast_gallery.php

      Too bad there’s not one for vaginas.

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  29. Jamie

    Is it just me or does anyone else think this problem could be largely avoided by letting the models have some pubic hair??! :)

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    • JC

      Couldn’t agree more. Ironic that the video is advocating diversity in vaginal appearance but ALL of the examples shown have brazilians. What a crock!

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  30. Mary Krone

    Please consult your dictionaries. I think you might mean vulva, not vagina.

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    • Rick Morton

      We know! There’s a reason we used vagina, check the post ;)

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    • The Original Steph

      See comments below :0)

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    • mary krone

      Ok, saw the disclaimer. If we can’t use correct language we further obfuscate the issue and discussion becomes a bit silly. Lost me.

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      • The Original Steph

        Exactly.

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        • Janet

          Lost me too. Are we so stupid that if you use the word ‘vulva’ we’ll go into a tailspin of confusion and not read the article? The use of the word vagina for the wrong part of the genitalia harks back to the idea that sex was only about the insertion of the penis into the vagina. That is, the rest of the genitalia had no point. We all know better than that, right? Let’s use the right word.

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        • kelli

          I really agree with this – maybe I am one of the many who have studied anatomy so this sounds like calling the big toe the foot …

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  31. susanbrennan

    and another thing… I feel sorry for the airbrush guy having to pull apart and cut and paste and fiddle with genitalia all day!

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  32. neetsie71

    There’s absolutely NO airbrushing in The Freak and the Showgirl present APOCASTRIP WOW!! An amazing, positive cabaret comedy striptease about the end of the world … sold out in Perth … headed to Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane … New York Burlesque superstar JULIE ATLAS MUZ brings Mr Pussy back to Australia … absolutely no air-brushing at all!! It’s all real hair ladies and gentlemen!!

    http://www.perthnow.com.au/entertainment/fringeworldfestival2012/a-nude-romp-of-frivolity-in-the-freak-and-the-showgirl-present-apocastrip-wow/story-fnbj5s1a-1226270150527

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    • Laura

      Thanks for the heads up, we need more body-positive art in this country!

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    • happyface

      Hair on a vagina – what’s that??? I thought they were all bald ;-)

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  33. Tripitaka

    This was very interesting and informative. I feel like we need to start emailing and having our voices heard. Vulvas should not require altering in order to be shown. But who do we email? The Australian Classification Board website doesn’t have an email address in their contact us section, just an online feedback form which doesn’t seem adequate…

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  34. Petal

    I just emailed my husband this link and he replied:

    “Soft drink without sugar, potato chips without salt, milk without fat now women without vaginas !!! Is there nothing worth living for ? I’m depressed.
    Bring back the camel toe.
    Angry hubby”

    That’s what I’d like to see a gigantic camel toe on the cover of SI! HAHA

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    • Lana

      I think I love your husband !

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    • MeganT

      Haha! He’s so right.

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    • Beee

      Your husband rocks!

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  35. David

    I just wanted to make one more comment generally on photoshoping/airbrushing.

    It’s always going to be done. Whether it is unrealistic or not, advertisers and magazine publishers don’t care. They’re in the business of partial fantasy.

    Just like you don’t take you brand new Jeep Wrangler for a drive in the surf to destroy it with rust.
    And we accept that a McDonald’s cheeseburger we get in the restaraunt doesn’t look like the one in the TV commercial.

    Just as long as we make sure kids growing up are EDUCATED in the difference between media fantasy and real life.
    Should we be concerned about how much influence media has upon us consciously or subconsciously…. yes. But the solution lies in education and information. If people could see behind the scenes on many things they think are perfect, they would actually see quite the opposite.

    Ps. Sorry for using the term perfect, there is no such thing. There is a better way of phrasing… but I think you all know what I mean

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    • The Sage Stylista

      I agree quite a bit. ‘Educated’ is definitely the key word.

      With regards to anything about how the media represents in terms of ‘real’ bodies, I honestly believe it’s about instilling an understanding in kids, getting them to realise that they that they have the power to choose what they visually like about themselves and others. It is about teaching them that there is no right or wrong version of what can be natural, that it is merely a their own preference, that it is always going to be subjective (eye of the beholder?).

      That way, the media stops being the instruction manual to perfection and becomes more of an art gallery- interesting viewing, but your choice whether you buy.

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      • Rebeck

        Agree re education.

        Until the recent sequence of posts about post-birth bodies here on MM, I had no idea that after a baby was born the mother still looked kind of pregnant. Logically it makes sense, but I have no sisters or sisters-in-law, nor have I been around any of my friends or relatives shortly after they gave birth. (I live in the country. They live in cities, where I *used* to live, but don’t right now.)

        So yes, education. And MM has been an education for me (who thought herself fairly well educated, actually. Shows what I knew.)

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  36. Ballerina

    OOOPPPSSS.
    got to the pictures and the penny dropped about what NSFW means…

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  37. Anonymous

    It’s very difficult being in a society where the only chance you have to see other women’s breasts and vaginas for comparison is in porn…and then they’re not actually real.

    Most of my boyfriends have told me they love my breasts, that they’re the best they’ve ever seen etc etc. They’re big, but they don’t look like the girls in porn, so I’ve always been so embarrassed by them, thinking that they are saggy and the nipples are too big.

    Are my boyfriends lying (bless them) or do other women’s breasts not, in fact, look like the breasts in porn. Who the hell knows?? Since everyone who puts them on display seems to have had a boob job, I might not ever know!!

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    • Jess88

      Men are just happy to see a pair of tits anonymous. They think they’re all great ;-)

      My partner liked my pre surgery boobs (different shapes and sizes) and likes my post surgery boobs too.

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  38. David

    Just thought I might give a male perspective.

    I love labia minora (correct term…. I Wikipediaed it!) of all shapes and sizes, especially the ones that protrude. Fun to play with and to look at :)
    Think any kind of surgery should be avoided, breast augmentation included!!!, unless absolutely medically necessary.

    You can still pretty yourself (perfume, shaving etc)…. like us guys have discovered in form of manscaping.
    But, again limits and moderation. Girls please be very careful and wary of lasers, waxing (ouchy, painful), and makeup (full of chemicals!, in my view a large contributer to cancer, but that’s another thread)

    Keep up discussion everyone, it all helps

    Great site Mia

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    • Petal

      Oh, good on you David! I bet you’ve got one happy girlfriend! And kudos to you using the correct anatomical term – I bet not many of your mates would know that!

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      • alyssakt

        he didn’t know it either 6 hours ago…

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        • Petal

          At least he made the effort to look it up!

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  39. happyface

    Firstly I may state I am against he photoshopping of vulvas. But I can’t see what the problem is with the Sports magazine?? Many women have valves that can’t be seen so why is it unnatural in this photo/ You can’t always see a crease????
    Another thing to remember is vaginas change as you get older and give birth their look will change. Mine is a lot more outy now after having 3 kids, it stretches – that is what it is supposed to do!!!
    Never had any complaints from my husband he will happily head down there!!!

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  40. Angie

    I understand the point the author is making, and I think it’s a good one. However, I find it more harmful that women’s bodies and faces are continuously airbrushed in most ads – especially in women’s magazines.

    I know this is a well known problem, but I think it’s problematic (and hypocritical) to get up in arms that men’s mags use of airbrushing is warping people’s concept and expectation of reality, when women’s magazines (like Cosmo, Mia) does exactly the same thing. I imagine that more women have general body anxiety, than specified genital anxiety.

    It’s still important to raise awareness of genital airbrushing, but you risk looking biased and wilfully blind if you fail to acknowledge that it’s part of a bigger problem that women also contribute to.

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  41. The Original Steph

    Okay, so this is nit-picky, but really, we are not talking about vaginas, we are talking about vulvas. The vagina is the muscular tube leading from the external genitals to the cervix of the uterus. The vulva is the female external genitalia.
    The only reason I am pointing this out is because MM wants there to be proper education and honesty about what a real vulva looks like. If we are going to do that, then we need to use the proper terminology.

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    • Anonymous

      There is a disclaimer in the article explaining the use of the term vagina as opposed to vulva

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      • The Original Steph

        So there is. However, it does seem like a cop-out and highly ironic. That we should be promoting education about the variations in vulvas, but it is totally okay not to use the proper name. *Most* people know it as vagina…well, that’s half the problem! Instead of a disclaimer at the end, how about an introduction at the beginning explaining the difference between vagina and vulva?

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      • The Original Steph

        Quite simply: Vagina and vulva are not the same. No one uses “penis” and “testicles” interchangeably. Because they are different.

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        • Sarah

          Could not agree more! Despite the disclaimer, I HATE the use of term vagina for vulva… it is ridiculous and lazy.
          I HATE it that people use it – bet they don’t go round talking about their ‘anus’ instead of ‘bottom’ (or whatever they use).

          Whilst I found this article fascinating I spent most of it being annoyed with this language use – one of my pet peeves!

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        • Anonymous

          yes, if you use vagina instead of vulva, then the clitoris disappears!!

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          • The Original Steph

            Oh, hell. We DO NOT want that to happen!!!!!!

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        • Dramaqueen

          Sing it sister!
          It drives me crazy too.
          The only was to teach people the correct usage is to actually use the correct terms. It is ridiculous to use the term vagina- cricket, any porn showing vaginas would be extremely hard core!
          I work with kids, we use correct anatomical names. The vagina is the birth canal, it is an internal part of the body. The vulva is the external part.
          Your analogy of naming male organs is sport on. It’s equivalent of calling a penis the vas deferens. It’s totally ridiculous.
          And yes, I saw the disclaimer. How about in the future, instead of using a disclaimer the writers (both freelance and the MM team) actually take the opportunity to explain, educate and bring the correct term VULVA in usage.

          Heck, if you had a problem and went to the doctor describing a pain in your vagina when the reality is you have a pain in the vulva you would be sending her in the wrong direction to go looking for symptoms.

          Please, please, please, let’s get this right.

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          • The Original Steph

            Huzzah! And ‘photoshopping vaginas’ would be a feat too. Who wants their birth canal photoshopped? Huh?

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    • Karen

      She did clarify that at the end of the story. :-)

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  42. trixie melodian

    LMAO at the idea of being legally obliged to photoshop a man’s testicles out of porn! THat is hilarious, and such a good comparison!

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  43. Lu

    I find the idea of wanting to be normal odd. I am the way I am.

    Since every one looks different in many many aspects normal looking is kind of a redundant idea.

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  44. Anthony Sherratt

    The analogy of digital castration wouldn’t annoy me from a male discomfort perspective but it WOULD annoy me from the central problem with our current laws: it distorts reality.

    Why is it illegal to merely display something as it is? The vulva/vagina/pussy is a not only something wonderful but it’s present on more than half the population. It’s not unnatural. We’re not talking about rampant sexual arousal or actual sex, just genitals.

    Personally when I was younger my early exposure to the female genitalia left me thinking that all women had a bushy triangle covering a small neat crease. The first time I saw a fully exposed area* it horrified me! No offence ladies but the difference between the two was a guy in a sheet compared to 21st century alien CGI. And the problem was with what I’d been taught (by osmosis mostly) a woman looks like “down there”.

    Censorship is not an answer to anything. Education and discussion always trumps ignorance and fear.

    *granted, in retrospect, I now know it wasn’t a flattering shot either.

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    • Cait

      Great to see a well grounded perspective on this matter! Thanks for sharing :)

      if we cant cope with what our natural anatomy looks like, what hope is there for the human race!

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  45. Shannon

    While I agree that photoshopping womens’ vulvas is incredibly troubling in terms of misleading people as to what is an “average” form of labia, I do think we have to consider variations in female anatomy when judging whether or not something is photoshopped.

    Now, I haven’t seen any bikini candids of Kate Upton in such a tiny bikini to be able to draw any comparisons between what she usually looks like and what she looks like in this image. However, I do know that if you put me in that same itsy bitsy bikini, I would look the same. That said, I have no illusions about the fact that that wouldn’t be the norm for most women, but I don’t think we could say definitively that photoshop has occurred on that portion of this image.

    I’ll admit that that is probably one of the most micro micro bikini bottoms I’ve ever seen, though that may just be from angling, but these teeny tiny bikinis exist for a reason – that some people can wear them without showing off their genitalia.

    E.g.:

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    • Cassandra

      My issue isn’t with the size of the bikini, and the idea that *no woman* could possibly have a vulva that discreet is obviously wrong. My problem is the photo manipulation here is so extreme and obvious I highly doubt Kate Upton has such a vulva. The bikini bottom doesn’t even look real (as the photo in your post does) – it looks painted on! The question is *why*?

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      • Mr. Point

        Are you saying kate upton has a massive Vulva?
        I think this requires closer examination…

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    • Sophie

      I agree with you 100% I would look the same in that bikini. There is no reason to say she has been photoshoped for sure.

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  46. Anonymous

    I could wear that bikini and not have any ‘crack’ showing, and my mound is basically totally flat. After reading the commentary here and other places, now I feel like a freak. If you have a ‘before’ picture to compare with, then go right ahead. But otherwise, please don’t speculate based solely on your idea of what a normal or ‘real’ vulva looks like.

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    • Cait

      Please dont think you are a freak, i assure you this isnt the case.

      What all this debate is trying to recognise, is that people all look different in that area. Not many people can claim to look like that in that swimsuit. A lot of people have a layer of fat which cushions the front of their genitals, and a lot of people do have a ‘crack’ that would show in that swimsuit.

      All the outrage is because those other groups of people *should* be represented in photographs.

      Photoshoppers shouldnt feel the need to create uniform genitals, people should be presented as they are – at least in their biological sense.

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    • Julie

      Well sorry Anonymous but the butchered vaginas make ME (an
      outie) feel like a freak so stop whinging please.

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      • Shannon

        Well sorry Julie but the comments about what “real” vulvas look like make ME (who has a naturally minimalist vulva that hasn’t been butchered by photoshop or any other means) feel like a freak so stop whinging please.

        Your comment can be easily turned around to justify what Anon said.

        What makes you think how you feel is more important and valid than how Anon feels? Instead of trying to invalidate other people’s feelings because we have our own (different) feelings, we should respect and understand different reactions to this discussion topic and learn from (rather than alienate) one another.

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        • Julie

          Apologies for the harsh wording Shannon. You missed my point, but I should have expressed it more clearly. At a personal level, I wasn’t meaning to say Anon’s feelings were less important. My point was that the media forces making those with who do actually look like the photoshopped image feel like freaks (eg this article) are comparatively insignificant compared to the media power of all the magazines etc in the world showing photoshopped genitals that make the rest of us feel like freaks. Basically, Anon sounded like they were whinging about having a certain look that many find desirable – I’d much prefer to feel like that ‘freak’ than the way I felt as a teen when I used to compare my vagina with ones I’d seen in magazines and wonder what the hell was wrong with me and whether it was possible to have surgery to fix my (what I considered) deformed vagina. I just don’t think Anon’s freakish feelings in response to this article and the few like it can really compare to the breadth of teens who suffer as a result of the photoshopped images. I get the point that maybe it wasn’t photoshopped, and some women do look like that in a bikini, but by god, if I looked like that in a bikini, I sure would not be complaining.

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          • Shannon

            I didn’t miss your point, I just disagreed with the way it was articulated. I think you have every right to feel put out by the way your perceptions of what was “normal” were influenced by inaccurate depictions of female genitalia.

            I just think that, similarly to the whole body issue debate, when it comes to how comfortable someone else feels in their bodies that is a totally individual experience.

            You obviously had a very negative experience with this, which I hope (through raising awareness of a) photoshopping and b) selective practices when deciding what ‘types’ of vulvas are represented) can be avoided for many girls and women in the future. These kinds of discussions are very important to reaching that ultimate goal.

            That said, if a person has never had much experience looking at female genitalia – in real life or in magazines etc. – and they have this sort of ‘look’ they may very well find themselves freakish because they have just discovered that it isn’t the ‘norm’ and that other people are assuming photoshop/surgery occurs to get that look. Just because other people (or popular culture) represents something, unfairly, as being the most desirable or normal doesn’t necessarily mean that an individual who has that characteristic considers it desirable or normal. So they can feel just as negative but for different reasons. That’s all I’m saying :)

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        • A

          Pics or it didn’t happen :)

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    • Erin

      Glad I’m not the only one with a “tulip” … Everything tucked away just as it was when I was born – 14 partners and 2 children ago!

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  47. Anonymous

    What concerns me is this surgery to trim the lips. What impact will that have when giving birth? I always understood that the labia with all its folds and what not are the perfect design as they stretch during childbirth. I am thinking with them trimmed, there will a bit of tearing going on when the time comes. plus all those folds are there to give the penis a bit of a hug as it does its thing!
    This is a very big concern to me, we need to be signing petitions and what not to have this stopped immediately!!!

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    • Nicki

      I agree with everything you’ve said there (give the penis a bit of a hug, ha!). Not only that, think of all the wonderful, pleasure-giving nerve endings which are being removed, too. Why would anyone want to diminish their pleasure?

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    • Guest

      ‘Stopped immediately’? Whatever happened to freedom of choice – surely it’s for women to make up their own minds about what they want to do with their body. Reminds me of the old joke about a feminist being someone who supports a woman’s right to an abortion but not to a breast enlargement.

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    • Anonymous

      Thought I’d chip in here. I think it’s a huge shame that some women feel the need for cosmetic labioplasty (or boob jobs, or what have you), but they’re not always cosmetic.

      One of my friends recently had it done because she was an outie to the extent that she literally couldn’t wear pants it was so painful/uncomfortable. She had to fold them in a certain way and wear firm underwear to keep them in place. You could see the in bathers. In short: it was causing her daily pain, embarrassment and impairing her enjoyment and function. So while I’m against the ‘idea’ of labioplasty, it shouldn’t be black-banned as a blanket rule, because some people need it for function/enjoyment reasons (as opposed to “I’m embarrassed I don’t look like a porn star reasons).

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  48. The wounded bull

    It amuses me no end that you have an entire article on how we should embrase and celebrate natural female genitalia. The number of comments on this site over the years about how horrible it is to see men in speedos or cycle lycra can not be counted. yet another mm double standard.

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    • Vinny

      Over the years? You’ve seriously been annoyed by articles on MM for ‘years’? Maybe you need to get a new hobby?

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      • The wounded bull

        I just love fighting the incredible hypocrisy that abounds on mm.

        Mm, fighting the good fight, with double standards every step of the way.

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        • Anonymous

          Hmm Wounded bull, suitable name. Perhaps you need to take some time out to have that Wound healed? If you don’t like the articles aimed at improving the stance of women in the media etc then why bother reading them. I’m sure you could find some other hobbies that would bring you more joy.

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          • Nicki

            It seems some people aren’t happy unless they’ve got something to be unhappy about. I think WB is one of them – otherwise why does he keep coming back to read MamaMia?

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        • vanessayoung

          Is it not that these photoshopped vaginas are being promoted as desirable? That women will see them and think “I don’t look like that” and that men’s magazine readers will see them and think “My partner doesn’t look like that”.
          Whether or not men look good in Speedos or bike shorts has nothing to do with it.
          I have read a few of your posts and think that waking up every morning determined to be offended must be quite tiring.
          If you are offended by this site, don’t read it, I am sure you can find a site where everyone agrees with you all the time, maybe start one of your own.

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    • MJ

      I think lycra is a bad look for everyone personally.
      I see the point you’re making but I think this article isn’t just about embracing the fanny au natural, I think it’s more – a naked lady is a naked lady. Why are their genitals censored for different ratings? A fanny is a fanny, how does it make any sense that photoshopped ‘neat’ ones are considered more appropriate for a younger audience than real ones.

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    • Ohcomeon!

      It amuses me no end that you’re constantly surprised MM features content targeted at women on a women’s website! And seriously, what? When has anyone here ever tried to photoshop the bejeezus out of a man’s bulge at the triathlon? Never.

      Don’t you have somewhere better suited to be!!?

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    • Anon

      Seriously Wounded Bull, calling hypocrisy on this one is a stretch even for you. People have made snide comments about budgie smugglers so therefore we should all sit back and let vulvas be photoshopped out of existence? Come on dude, you just can’t try and allude to the feminist oppression of the first world man on this one and maintain any credibility.

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    • Louisec

      What’s up with men in speedos? I must have missed that bit.

      Gotta say I loathe those ridiculous lycra outfits but only because they look so naff, they don’t offend me or anything.

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    • speedogal

      I love my man in speedos =D He gets the budgie smuggler ones and the ‘louder’ they are, the more likely he’ll wear them. Currently he’s got ones with gold stars, and ones with a swirly red/yellow pattern that look a bit like aboriginal art. Mmm hmm ver-ry nice. The confidence is a major plus.

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  49. Loulee

    What I find a bit nauseating about the Sports Illustrated cover and those kinds of “sexy images of girls for men” is that a) she looks like a Barbie doll (i.e. no genitals but instead a plastic mound) and b) she looks like a sexed up version of a little girl (i.e. in the genital region not the breast region). Kind of makes me feel worried about the links to child pornography. Removal of all body hair and pubic hair also makes me wonder about those links too (i.e. returning the body to the pre-pubescent hairlessness of a little girl). Am I being a bit of a “neurotic mother of a young teen girl” here or does this make sense?

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    • Petal

      Perfect sense. That’s why I don’t understand grown women having brazillians. YOU ARE A WOMAN. And yes I know some women ‘like the feeling’ ‘feel cleaner’ etc. It still baffles me.

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    • Concerned too

      One of my bf liked a completely hair free pubic area, and I refuse to remove everything, when I told him it was because it was too close to pre-pubescent look, he was surprised!!! He didn’t feel there was any correlation!!! Needless to say I didn’t stay in that relationship long… it freaked me out too much!

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    • Laura

      Sorry, but those links are non-existent – a grown woman’s hairless vulva does not make her look like a child, it makes her look like a grown woman with a hairless vulva, and men aren’t so stupid as to not be able to tell the difference.

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      • LellaK

        Triple like Laura! I HATE that old chestnut

        besides pubes are designed to protect the area – now we wear clothing to do so instead.
        who cares what you do down stairs

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      • Vinny

        Yes. There is a visible difference between a woman’s vulva and a pre-pubescent girl’s, you could hardly confuse one for the other.
        Do we brand women as a bit odd (or worse, possible paedophiles!) if they say out loud they prefer a man with a hairless chest? I think not.

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      • Louisec

        Well said Laura, it’s a personal choice. I am completely hairless because I really like the way it feels – so much better.

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  50. Emerald

    We do learn something new everyday! No only did this article expose the censorship issue,but it has also educated us about our own bodies. Thanks Mamamia for tackling issues others don’t.

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