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Tony Abbott at the Sesame Child Care centre in Brisbane

UPDATE: Tony Abbott’s ‘Nanny Plan’ is firming up as a solid Coalition policy. A press release outlining his push for more flexible childcare arrangements has been issued. He’s stated that a Coalition Government would ask the Productivity Commission to look at ways of helping families in regional and remote areas, parents who work irregular hours, and those living away from extended family.

The Coalition believes that families deserve a flexible child care system that offers different care options depending on a family’s individual circumstance rather than a one size fits all model that fails to take into account non traditional working hours.

Existing child care services do not always meet the needs of parents, particularly shift workers.  Australia is no longer a 9am-5pm economy and our child care system should reflect that.”

Tony Abbott should be a hit with the ladies. He should know exactly what a woman wants. He has women telling him what to do all day long. He’s outnumbered at home with his wife and three stunning daughters (you know they’d be harsh critics). At work, his right-hand-man is actually his right-hand-woman; Chief of Staff, Peta Credlin. He should be dishing out relationship advice and calling my shoes fierce.

Instead, he walks like he’s been riding a horse for days. His suits never sit right on his muscular frame. He’s constantly running, cycling, swimming… He’s awkwardly awkward around women’s issues. In the way a dad buying feminine products for his tween daughter might be. It’s foreign, it’s petrifying and I can’t look you in the eye while we discuss it.

He generally fails to woo the ladies. But he says he’s changed. He’s seen the light. As Tony Abbott readies himself for the Lodge, he’s launching himself at this last momentous hurdle: The Lady Vote.

Cue: The Nanny Plan.

As well as his very generous Paid Parental Leave plan, which would pay mothers their full salary for 6 months (up to $75,000), Tony Abbott says, as PM, he’d ask the Productivity Commission to see if he could expand the childcare rebate scheme to include in-home care, like nannies.

At the moment, parents can get rebates of up to $7,500 a year for childcare but that’s limited to registered centres. The Opposition leader says the traditional opening hours mean they’re not a good option for a lot of parents.

“This is not something that is just for rich lawyers and doctors by any means; there are a lot of people who work shifts, a lot of mums with several young kids for whom this would be, potentially at least, a very effective option,” he says.

Some of his own backbenchers have called his Paid Parental Leave (PPL) policy the “Rolls Royce” policy, but Tony Abbott says that generous PPL and the flexibility of in-home care for children makes good economic sense, because it encourages women back into the workforce. He says he wants to “harness the economic potential of women”.

Minister for Early Childhood and Child Care, Kate Ellis dismissed the plan as a “thought bubble” with no substance behind it.

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Tony Abbott with his family

Nannies are quite often completely untrained and also spend a lot of their time doing things like housework, preparing meals for the family, acting as a chauffeur, picking kids up from school,” she says.

“What Tony Abbott now says he wants to do is make low income families subsidise nannies for the well off.”

But Tony “let me rub your feet” Abbott says it’s not a handout for the rich. By today’s calculations, a woman with three (or sometimes just two) children in day care, could pay a similar amount to have in-home care; which he says is the better option for shift workers who can’t make the drop off and pick up times, or for those who just can’t find childcare spots for their children.

It all sounds lovely, but Tony Abbott needs to find the money for his plan and cuts would most likely need to be made elsewhere in the childcare rebate scheme. And there’s a risk that, like the pink-batts saga, some people would take advantage of the subsidy, and set themselves up as untrained, unqualified nannies; which could put children at risk.

But it’s a challenge Mr Abbott 2.0 (the Lady Loving version) will accept. He told Fairfax newspapers that it’d taken him too long to understand why women needed some help.

”I feel a little regretful, even a little embarrassed, at how long it has taken me to appreciate just how demanding it is in the modern world for a mother who also has a career,” he said.

He said that fathers need to open their eyes and see what tough work mothering is.

”I have to put my hand up and say that I might have been too accepting of stereotypes in my earlier days, but the whole point of living is to grow through your experience,” he said.

“I suspect a lot of currently middle-aged Australian men will be better grandparents than they were parents.”

That’s a big change for one man. Is it enough?

Lauren Dubois is Mamamia’s Canberra-based political contributor. You can follow her on Twitter here.

What do you think of the plan? Should nannies be part of the childcare rebate? Would it influence your vote if that were the case?

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176 Comments so far

  1. Gig

    From start to finish this article is an exercise in uninformed bias and character assassination.

    The leader of the Opposition proposes, not legislates, an initiative, which clearly many couples would welcome. Is it feasible? Maybe, maybe not. The intent is both political and practical. Remember, Tony is the leader of the Opposition, not the government.

    The author questions the financial veracity of the plan. Does the author similarly question the viability of Labor’s on-going deficit spending? Apparently, a deficit larger than Australia has ever been lumbered with before is ok. To date Labor is in the hole for $200 billion. An astronomic figure. Google it. What have we got for it?

    Unlike the Whitlam government, this government has produced no lasting results other than the vastly unpopular Carbon Tax. At least Gough bequeathed us Medicare.

    Then Ms Dubois proceeds to attack Tony personally. Apparently running, swimming and lifesaving are dubious activities. She also attacks his person, ‘his suits never sit right on him’.

    ‘he walks like he’s been riding a horse for days. His suits never sit right on his muscular frame. He’s constantly running, cycling, swimming…’

    Strange that the same week Tony was forced to apologise for agreeing with a comment by Germaine Greer, that Gillard’s ‘suits didn’t sit right’.

    Double standard?

    Hypocrisy if you ask me.

    And lastly,

    ‘He’s awkwardly awkward around women’s issues. In the way a dad buying feminine products for his tween daughter might be.’

    FFS what Dad wouldn’t be?

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    • Madam

      Gig,
      You are the most biased uninformed person on here!!!!!!
      Do you not realise what a sketch writer is???? Lauren is a fantastically informed and intelligent political correspondent BUT on the articles she writes on here she uses a more relaxed approach that everyone gets!! (except you of course!!)
      Lauren was NOT attacking Tony Abbott just giving quite a funny slant on his personality and I am sure if he read it he would agree and have a laugh, he is just like most Dads and not too bothered about his appearance etc. I am not bothered about his suits, appearance or anything else, my interest is in his policies and what he will do for Australia and that is what Lauren was explaining to us.
      Keep up the great work Lauren !!

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  2. Gig

    This is in answer to anon and lynnd:

    So many comments talking about ‘cleaner air’. If you walk outside you will see, smell and feel that we already have clean air. If we don’t there is the http://www.npi.gov.au/ They are already taking care of pollution. The Carbon Tax will only tax carbon dioxide emissions. Carbon Dioxide is a greenhouse gas, it contributes to plants and photosynthesis. It doesn’t dirty our skies, make breathing harder, it isn’t soot, or black muck. It is part of the planet we live on. Always has been.

    Twenty years ago it was suggested that man’s carbon dioxide emissions were responsible for raising the temperature of the planet. Twenty years later, this hasn’t happened, or been proved. Look out the window, feel the breeze. In fact, no matter where you live in the world, these apocalyptic prophesies are proving to be fake.

    The Carbon Tax will not address pollution from cars (carbon monoxide) or factories spewing smoke; it will not create ‘blue skies’ or change the weather; it is merely an impost on a colourless, odourless gas. The same that you hear, not smell, from your Coke can.

    And it’s a tax, simple as that. A tax to help the Labor government pay their way out of the needless hole they’ve created with their ridiculous policy initiatives.

    As Tim Flannery said, it will not change the temperature one iota.

    Queensland is leading the way, come 2013 and the rest of the country will have the opportunity to throw these clowns out, and restore sense to the governance of this wonderful nation.

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    • Anon

      Well said, Gig. Is the penny starting to drop? Are people waking up? I really hope so!

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    • Darling Daisy

      Dear Gig, I hope more and more people are waking up to the scam that is Climategate. The weather and the climate both change but the future sky is not going to fallen in or heat up so that life as we know it ceases to exist. We are talking about modelling and predictions, not absolutes. When treasury gets one of its modelling numbers right maybe we can worry about our climate. You’re so right. It’s all about another tax that will fill Labor’s government coffers.

      The carbon tax will not change the temperature or the climate. One day they will ask … so did you believe all that rubbish about the clmate and the rising sea water levels? Nah we will all say. And we won’t be able to find one single believer. Ya gotta love time. It’s the best antiseptic.

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  3. Emma

    I think Childcare rebates to include in home care is a fantastic initiative. I am a Clinical Psychologist and have chosen to have a nanny care for my little boy for the 10 hours a week that I work. As hard as it is to hear, there is extensive research about the benefits of being cared for at home by one carer (extended family or nanny if a parent is unavailable) versus being put into childcare. I know that for some there is no choice but unfortunately Child care centres are unable to provide the one-to-one care that a baby/child requires from birth to 3 years for their emotional and social development and well-being. I am in no way a “wealthy” mother handing over the care to someone else. If I could afford to I would happily stay at home and care full time for my beautiful boy. My son is a settled, happy and emotionally secure little boy. Of course it does cost us a lot of money out of pocket and not getting a rebate certainly hurts our budget but I feel happy with the decision that I have made for his wellbeing. Unfortunately with my professional training and knowledge I have noted the differences between some of the children from our mothers group who have been put in care from a young age and how their emotional development and security has been affected. It is about time that Australia adopted similar strategies to some European countries that offer more flexible child care and paternity leave programs for the overall benefit of their country and economy.

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  4. Darling Daisy

    How I hate it when Mamamia does anything on Tony Abbott or the Coalition. You just know what the article-writer will say! No matter what the issue they will do a number on the leader of the opposition. And get away with it. What about a similar number on Julia Gillard? Nah! Not allowed. MM is left-wing and proud of it!

    Where I hang out we dislike Julia Gillard. All the kids I know mimic her. All the men I know run screaming from the room when our PM appears on TV. All the women I know rip chunks of hair out when Miss G. opens her mouth. All the Labor voters I know are going to do a ‘Queensland’ next Federal election.

    The left-wing bias on MM means I only visit here when one of my friends says, ‘Go and see the article in MM on ….. it will make you crazy’ So I’m crazy now that I’ve read it.

    PS Miss Gillard doesn’t walk like she’s been riding horses but she looks like ……. better stop here because MM likes Julia and I’m already in big trouble.

    I am so going to be deleted!

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    • Anon

      OMG! Awesome comment! Totally agree. My daughter and her friends mimic her ‘there will be no carbon tax’ and it makes me furious that this is the example she sets for our children. I feel relieved to know there are others who feel as I do. Good on you DD, you’ve made my day!

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    • Faybian

      Is this the Internet hate reading that was discussed earlier this week?
      Seriously, what do you expect from a left leaning site?
      If you and your family/friends carry on like this it’s no wonder your kids are imitating the PM. It’s childish and sets a bad example to your kids. There are better ways to show them how you disagree/dislike someone in politics surely. How about you show some respect to the office of PM at least?

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      • Anon

        There is not respect left for the office of Prime Minister and it’s not little children who have trashed it.

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    • Natalia

      Darling Daisy, have you seen this article? http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/i-will-never-vote-labor-views-from-one-everyday-liberal-supporter/

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      • Darling Daisy

        Natalia, I did read it at the time it was published. It sort of underwhelmed me. Thank you for the link. Maybe I’m a hard marker?

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  5. sadielou

    We have an au pair. It costs less than half than our previous child care fees. The real benefit is that we have a person living with us who feels like a little sister and who has a truly fabulous relationship with our son. There are so many other benefits, mostly being that my shift work is covered and it doesn’t matter if I’m held back at work with a sick patient or need to do night shifts for a week or two. The biggest downside is that people think that having an au pair means that we are wealthy and then feel entitled to pass judgement on whether I should be working or not (more so than when we used child care) – sigh, same old! I would be concerned that regulating the au pair/nanny system risks changing the great ‘family’ feeling you can have with the right au pair as well as increasing the price and making it unaffordable. I do, however, think it is absolutely fabulous that there is the chance of a serious discussion about child care for those who work shifts or who may be required to work irregular hours…

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  6. Melburn

    This sounds great but as soon as the cash in hand economy gets wind of this nannies will be charging double the price to cover the cost of paying tax and their compulsory qualifications, public liability insurance etc etc and hey, rightly so. But then you’ve got parents, paying double compared to what they pay now, to get half back……..anybody else see a problem here?

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  7. lynnd

    I don’t know how merely asking the Productivity Commission to investigate it somehow translates to policy? The fact is that this is simply a grab for female votes as Abbott has a perception issue with the ladeez. But I’m glad the Opposition recognises the importance of women in the workforce and also, the difficulties in balancing work and families.

    Now on the the actual “policy” – it was brandied about in 2010 but dumped by the Libs because of the costs. I’ll be interested to see if it really takes off and in what form. And also, if it is to take place within the current funding model, it will need to be means-tested and then the rebate will be reduced for other women (those on lower income).

    So I suspect, this idea will never come into fruition as policy. But it has continued to make Abbott’s profile a bit more female-friendly. Just in time for 2013 eh.

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  8. Not waivering

    Sounds like a nice idea, thanks Tony. But it’s the FUTURE of my kids that I’m worried about and the Libs extremely irresponsible policies on climate change mean I will never vote for them. We have to look at the big picture, not just a policy or two, when it comes to voting.

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    • Anon

      The Carbon Dioxide Tax is going to change the climate?

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      • lynnd

        That’s yet to be seen although a market based pollution management system is most definitely sound economic policy paving the way for a cleaner future. What it will do is tax polluters and divert funds to cleaner energy practices.

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        • Anon

          And back in the real world where Australia is but an inconsequential speck in the ocean, why has our Government pledged to send 57 BILLION dollars offshore to buy useless bits of paper?

          Why do we have electricity prices that are crippling our industries? What happens to the hundreds of workers in a regional centre who will be out of work if the company packs up and moves to the US? Their electricity bill is currently 40million dollar pa. What will it rise to with a carbon tax? They can go to the US and more than half it, not to mention their wages, not to mention the millions they donate to charities every year, not to mention the millions they pay in taxes.

          Every Australian wants clean air and water but this carbon tax will push up the cost of EVERYTHING and I’m already holding on by my fingernails! And it will wipe out thousands of jobs with companies going offshore and they already are.

          I want things made here, I don’t want cheap Chinese products that are soaked in carcinogenic formaldehyde, I don’t want fruit and vegetables from China and Chile. I want my food grown here, farmed by our farmers on land that is owned by Australians, with water from aquifers not polluted from CSG chemicals.

          I DON”T WANT Bob Brown’s One World Government and I don’t want 90% of normal, clear thinking Australians being dictated to by the Greens and their 10% of the electorate.

          There is NO clean energy alternative yet available that can run this Nation and ensure that there is a future here for our children.

          Australian companies and farmers were already, of their own volition and because of their social conscience, working on more efficient and environmental policies before the carbon crap was even spoken about.

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          • lynnd

            “Why do we have electricity prices that are crippling our industries?”

            Good question. We have been experienced increasing costs due to transmission and distribution costs. Nothing to do with carbon tax.

            As for job losses, the implication is negligible and has been thrown out of proportion – 23,510 over 10 years. From a statistical sense, it basically means nothing. Of course, we also need to take into account that jobs will be created in less emission-intensive industries through the workings of the labour & foreign exchange markets.

            “Every Australian wants clean air and water but this carbon tax will push up the cost of EVERYTHING ”

            Depends on your income as some families will come up better off and some will not. However, the reality is the policy doesn’t target those under median incomes since they spend their money on needs and not wants. Those who can will be able to adjust behaviours. Mind you, complaining about cost of living is for the majority around “expectation inflation” than anything if you are to look at the data.

            “There is NO clean energy alternative yet available that can run this Nation and ensure that there is a future here for our children.”

            Renewables only account for 10% currently and the targets are to set it for 40%. That’s hardly saying we should run on renewables. What it means is that we need to invest in alternatives for the future hence as I’ve stated sound economic policy.

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          • latte sipper

            Hate to admit to it but Tim Wilson today in the Oz highlights the politics of the carbon tax clearly. The inner city see the issue of climate change and agree that pricing has to be the mechanisim to change usage habits and drive generation technology changes. The burbs have a lot less income and concentrate on the fees for a low cost private school and a week in Queensland once a year. The Liberals just hate any new tax and forget about climate change. Really only the inner city educated elite care or have the money to do something about it. Result is we will do very little until it is way too late. Climate change is now probably locked in. – 4C by 2070 means 6C by 2100. The near end of human civilization has a low price-few $$k in private school fees and a week in Queensland.

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          • Not waivering

            “There is NO clean energy alternative yet available that can run this Nation and ensure that there is a future here for our children.”
            Actually there is; solar thermal power plants (perfect for Australia) which store heat in tanks of molten salt and can therefore supply baseload needs around the clock. Spain has them. We just need a government to commit to this industry and induce investors to do the same (a carbon tax for starters).

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    • Darling Daisy

      You tell’em Not waivering. I’m thrilled that from a room in Canberra the world as we know it is going to change. Yep it is . Our PM is so amazing. She is going to change the temperature of the world on her own. It will take 1000 years (according to Mr Flannery) and it will be miniscule but in the year 3012, people everywhere will celebrate Julia Gillard Day. Oh gimmee a break. Mr Swan and Miss Gillard don’t care about Climate Change they care about changing the financial situation in government coffers. If you don’t belive me, just wait until after the next election and you’ll read all about the sham that is Gillard’s carbon tax. You could get a head start by reading some of the commentary around today. Even left-wing writers have given up on the Gillard and her government. I think even Gillard has given up on herself!

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  9. Emma

    As a working mum with 2 children, one is 5, one is 2… getting full care til 6pm is extremely difficult, I do have a nanny, not because I am rich, but because there are no other options. Basically, what I earn, I pay in childcare and nanny fees. My issue with this is that I am paying for a nanny, 20/hr. cash in hand – as they are not ‘registered’ and there is no scheme in place – they do not pay tax. Most of them, just like sitters do not claim tax – the government is losing millions in tax dollars, which also puts a lot of pressure on everyone as a whole with the economy… that is not fair, and something needs to be done. I have a nanny only out of necessity – as I work long hours and need care for the children.

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  10. Mother Of 4

    Aside from the odd and strange slant on this story & the author’s rebuttal that she was supportive of this initiative and Abbott’s plan (Huh? I didn’t get that from it either) Let’s play nice, if we are all feminists, doesn’t that mean treating men as fairly as we expect to be treated? Hypocrisy shouldn’t be part of this.

    So, discuss the plan, and not how he walks puhlease. As someone who has to pay $1,250 for her full time Nanny per week & $216 per week for pre-school and I don’t think I qualify for any rebates on anything (God forbid, punch her, she’s a high income earner), I 100% support the plan and wouldn’t expect to get anything back myself but I know how much it helps to have the help at home so that I can pay a six figure sum in tax each year to support the economy. Not even being funny about that, I earn, I pay. It’s only fair and I don’t expect a thing from the government but I do support the plight of other working Mums. The way to conquer any ‘issues’ with everyone becoming a “nanny” is simple, only those with a qualification, Childcare Certificate from Tafe or Early Childhood Degree would be able to qualify for the subsidy. This will creates jobs, uni places and HOPEFULLY give better pay for the hardest workers in the world, our teachers. Oh and it may just place a value on those women who do spend time ‘picking up kids, doing washing, cleaning’. Der, what do they think Mum’s or childcare teachers do all day, they pick up the kids, do washing and cleaning…….and that’s only 1% of it.

    Imagine if the same value could be put on the carers of those who are disabled…or better still….stay at home Mums…

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  11. Adam

    A lot of big cattle stations have a governess (a nanny) that take the children (usually those of the manager’s) during the day and look after them and teach them. They are often young, untrained, gap year ‘kids’ that go on to Uni to study nursing, teaching, or early learning. This may come as a surprise to Kate Ellis (who probably wished she had thought of it) but they actually do a great job, and these children are in NO WAY disadvantaged. Given the shortage of places and the cost of childcare, I think it would be a great initiative!

    How about they give credits to those either going into or studying early childhood learning to help fill those roles. Win win!

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  12. badmumma

    I am a working mum with an 18 month old. He attends day care 1 day a week. I have an incredible nanny that works for me when ever I need her. This costs me almost as much as I earn, but as my work is completely irregular I have no other choice. I am not a high income earner, this policy would make a huge difference to my life. Finally, someone is recognising that we need options, 1 size does not fit all when it comes to child care. Who in God’s name thought this idea would come from Abbott? Not me. Glad to hear it though, no matter where it came from. I know people are concerned his plan doesn’t take into account the skill level of the nanny but currently there is no control over this at all. At least this idea would bring about a discussion of the required training. I think the Liberals are going in the right direction.

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  13. clairek

    In France there is in home care provided, why can’t we have a nanny scheme or similar in this country? I think it’s a great idea provided they are qualified/registered just the same way that you can put your kids in people’s homes who are registered to do so (‘scuse my ignorance not sure what it’s called).

    And why bag his PPL scheme? I’d be able to stay home longer with my baby than I can afford to under the Labour Govt’s plan.

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    • laurend

      Hello clairek,
      I’m sorry you see this as Abbott/Coalition bashing, because that’s not at all my intention. I was pointing out that Tony Abbott has, in the past, struggled with women’s policy (that’s no secret) and he has had to work on his image with female voters, because there’s a belief out there that he is “anti-women” – which is clearly untrue, but might be caused by his gruff “he-man” image (perhaps it’s harder for women to relate to him?).

      I’m actually commending him on his efforts to fully understand the pressures on modern mums and to proactively think of ways to make their lives easier. Being more “female friendly” is something he’s made a conscious decision to do, and I think that’s a great thing (perhaps it shows he’s getting himself ready to move from being ‘The Opposer’ to a real leader, after the next election).

      And, I certainly am not bagging his PPL policy. I’ve stated that his backbenchers have called it a “Rolls Royce” policy. Some of the more conservative members of the Liberal Party believe that PPL and childcare should be a personal issue, not a government issue. But Tony Abbott disagrees with that and is trying to convince his party to see it his way; that taking care of mothers helps the economy, but enticing them back to the workforce. It is a great change of attitude for the Coalition to embrace.

      I also think this policy could be great, (but there are some issues to iron out). I can’t really write “I absolutely love it, it’s perfect” because then I’d be criticised for being too “pro-Abbott”!

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      • Adam

        Laurend

        I know that you’re article is not intended to be Abbott/Coalition bashing, but the general tone certainly gave me the impression that you were begrudgingly trying to give him some credit. Very begrudgingly! Kind of like swimming into the current of a river… You give a little bit of ‘cudos’, but then take it all away (and then some) with a few snide remarks.

        Remember that it is an Opposition’s job to oppose policy they don’t agree with, ESPECIALLY when there is plenty of traction within the population who ALSO don’t agree with a lot of their policies.

        A final note; My fiancé told me she didn’t like Tony Abbott either.. I asked her why that was… Her response was “…I actually don’t know why”. I outlined some of the policies that would affect her directly, as well as some of the broader policies, plus that he is from an ‘all-female’ household (wife/kids) and she said “Huh! …I didn’t know that! That’s not that bad is it…” Interesting hey?

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      • Bradley

        Hi Lauren. You say that Tony Abbott has a problem connecting with female voters. Why am I not meeting any of those female voters ? Okay, perhaps I meet with one or two who aren’t that fussed on Abbott, but of the wide and diverse group of females who are my friends and associates I’m not coming across too many who say anything negative about the guy.

        So I would say that I disagree with your assertion that you aren’t Abbott bashing.

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  14. Pat

    Early childhood education workers have gone through a very difficult battle recently for recognition of what they do and the skills they bring to their task. It’s called the National Quality Framework for Early Childhood Education & Care.

    Basically, it says that it’s important to have trained, qualified people looking after our children at some of the most impressionable and most vulnerable periods of their lives.

    The fact that there isn’t anything in Mr Abbott’s policy that reflects on the quality of childcare – in fact, that unqualified nannies and unregistered childcare centres would be able to qualify for this kind of money – isn’t just a worry. It actually does a disservice to and creates a danger for our children and our early childhood educators.

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    • charleesarah

      I would hope a Productivity Commission report would recommend that to qualify for any subsidy nannying agencies would have to comply with the NQF – which would push the at-home care sector to come in to with the conventional childcare model resulting in better care for all children in care arrangements. For me, if a rebate kept the cost of an at home nanny around the level it currently is, but enabled transparent training and standards to be applied that would be a win win. At the moment many of us are hiring nannies and au pairs for the convenience and affordability, and we have to run the gauntlet as it is largely an unregulated industry. I would like to see some regulation (nannies in a nanny state, :) ) and think government support could help it to happen.

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    • SophieBee

      Why are family day cares allowed to operate then?

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      • orangebird

        Registered Family Day carers are required to have or be working towards gaining a certificate III in children’s services qualification from 2014, so, they also must have training for the parent to claim the CCB

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        • SophieBee

          This could also be applied to nannies.

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  15. Valerie

    “He should know exactly what a woman wants. He has women telling him what to do all day long. He’s outnumbered at home with his wife and three stunning daughters (you know they’d be harsh critics). At work, his right-hand-man is actually his right-hand-woman; Chief of Staff, Peta Credlin. He should be dishing out relationship advice and calling my shoes fierce.”

    Why am I reading this as slightly offensive to women? seems slightly disparaging, to me.

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    • Judge Judy

      You’re spot on.

      Was this personal judgement really necessary?

      “Instead, he walks like he’s been riding a horse for days. His suits never sit right on his muscular frame. He’s constantly running, cycling, swimming… He’s awkwardly awkward around women’s issues. In the way a dad buying feminine products for his tween daughter might be. It’s foreign, it’s petrifying and I can’t look you in the eye while we discuss it.”

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      • JK

        Imagine the uproar if we discussed Julia in a similar way.

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    • Old Girl

      Come on Valerie, why do you and so many females get themselves all twisted over someone using a few phrases about women as “disparaging”???? Read the whole article and stop picking out a minor part of it, you might actually learn something.

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      • Valerie

        Gosh, thank you for pointing that out to me, ‘Old Girl’! I’d never have thought of that myself. Off to go and ‘learn something’.

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        • Old Girl

          Good Valerie……my work here is done!!

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          • Valerie

            Let’s hope so.

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            • Nicky Champ

              I was going to say play nicely Old Girl and Valerie… but you are… I think :)

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            • Valerie

              Sorry, Nicky, my sarcastic mouth got the better of me! Backing away now! :)

              (In my defense, if someone spoke to me that way at a dinner party I’d probably say something similar…. :P )

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  16. Anonymous

    I’m pretty disturbed by how many people I’ve heard saying they’ll vote for him due to this. All he’s said he’ll do is look into it. If he has no plans for additional funding, which he says he doesn’t, then it isn’t even remotely feasible without huge cuts, which would likely affect more people negatively than the nanny plan would affect people positively. Unless he finds another way to fund this, it’s not going to happen.

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    • N1col3

      because IF he can implement this it would give me hope! If I could access the services of a nanny I would be able to have my autistic daughter looked after at home because she doesnt do well in childcare. Then I would be able to work and provide for my family instead of being stuck, isolated at home and feeling like myself and my family are burden to society!

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      • Anon

        That is such a good point, N1col3, there are many children and many parents with work hours that this would be wonderful for. I really hope this happens. Aside from the NDS this is one of the most exciting policies in a long while.

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      • Anonymous

        Yes, it would be great if he could make it happen, but unless he changes his mind about where the funding will come from, it won’t happen. Taking the money for this out of the already stretched child care rebate budget will just make life difficult for a whole other set of parents. There simply isn’t enough money. His plan, as it stands, simply isn’t feasible. He knows this. There’s no reason he would have to wait til he was elected to see whether he can make it happen financially. If the Coalition was serious about this they would have done the research and if it were possible, they would have announced it as policy, not as something they’ll “look into”.

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  17. Annoyed

    Lauren is this Kate Ellis, the Labor MP, who is replying to comments?

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    • Nicky Champ

      Yep it sure is!

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      • Annoyed

        Do you not think it would be appropriate for her to announce herself as such before she starts commenting on a policy which is not her own? Just as someone has pointed out on Zoe Arnold’s article, on Anna Bligh, that as Craig Thompson’s wife her connection should have been stated?

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        • Anon

          She’s the Minister for Child care and she wrote a piece on here just a couple of days ago – maybe she thought people might remember!

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  18. jb expat

    in response to KE’s reply (which is appreciated) so then what do you say to families who need childcare assistance but it’s actually cheaper to have a nanny because they have 2 plus children? You can’t tell me that because the math works out this way that they are suddenly rich. I really don’t agree with your logic. I think the government has to find the money. I respectfully disagree that a tax benefit isn’t suitable. If you want women to work and to see them in high places in the corporate and not for profit world you need to offer the same benefits with flexible options such as nannies.

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  19. Kate Ellis

    Tax deductions are an inherently unfair way to fund childcare. 1. the only people who can benefit are those who can afford to pay up front and await their return and 2. the more you earn, the more you’ll get back through a tax return so you are giving most funding to those who are the highest income earners.
    Lets be clear, nannies are not regulated, have no minimum qualifications and are often required to perform other tasks such as housework, shopping, dropping off, picking up, cooking the family meal etc which taxpayers should absolutely not have to subsidise.
    i have fought and am proud our Government has delivered a massive increase in child care assistance. i’m not prepared to see over a billion dollars cut from that assistance to fund this thought bubble. thats why i will continue to make clear that this is not a “reasonable option”.
    i think the families relying on that child care assistance deserve nothing less from their Minister.

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    • part 1(trouble posting)

      Thanks for posting a reply.

      I suggested an alternative (tax deduction) – but that being said – I look at it like this…

      assume:

      1 – there are enough childcare spots for everyone who wants one

      2 – everyone who currently has a nanny lets their nanny go and puts them in childcare

      3 – we are talking about people who meet the criteria for the rebate (as in study or work, etc)

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    • jb expat

      Ms Ellis/others- that’s my part 1 & part 2 – really interested in your reply – thanks!

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    • Katherine

      I am very happy to see you here answering questions on this. I wish more politicians would respond in this way. Great stuff.

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    • catherine

      I too thinkKate is great to respond but I have two issues here, one that I still believe that young children should be in the family home, with low levels of stimulation, and that usually means a mother or a nanny. And why not shopping and cleaning? A person who employs a cleaner or personal assistant in their workplace can claim it as a legitimate work expense. I realise it would open a can of worms, but the person running a household is making a genuine contribution to the person working in an office or another workplace.

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      • Lulu

        “And why not shopping and cleaning? A person who employs a cleaner or personal assistant in their workplace can claim it as a legitimate work expense”

        Because if you work outside the home, then your home is not your workplace, so cleaning it isn’t a work-related expense.

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      • Lu

        And paying for someone to care for your children is not a work related expense. Its a parenting expense.

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    • SophieBee

      You’re right Kate. Child care centres that are breeding grounds for gastro, whooping cough and all other manner of nasties are a much better way to go. What a stupid idea of Tony’s! (p.s. Margie Abbott runs a child care centre, just for the record) if you have a 6 week old baby would you rather that baby be at home with a nanny, or in a noisy, artificially lit, germy day care centre? Give me the nanny any day of the week thanks.

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      • Anon

        True Sophie and with the terrible news of the mutated whooping cough virus, you make an excellent point.

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      • Joanna

        I’d rather a 6 week old be at home with their parents!!

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        • SophieBee

          I agree. Some people want/have to go back to work when the baby is this age.

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    • Anon

      Well, Kate, look on the bright side. If the Queensland results are anything to go by, and they are, it won’t be anything you, or most of GreenLabor will need to worry about.

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    • Anonymousey

      Would it not be logical to set up govt accredited education training programmes in this area, addressing three govt. pet issues- keeping young people in education, increasing skilled worker places and keeping older people in the workforce. Plenty of old/er people who could be professional grandparent/nannies.

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    • Judge Judy

      The policy is not of benefit to myself but I think it’s a great idea.

      It will help nurses, police, bakers, etc all types of shift workers that may have a job that doesn’t suit daycare hours.

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    • latte sipper

      Kate I actually heard a women at a BBQ I was at recently say what she needed was a Phillipino maid /nanny just like her sister in law in Singapore. When I asked what she should pay this maid she said about the same as Singapore($US800/mnth for a live in maid). When I said i thought this would be a disaster in Australia she really had no response-could see nothing wrong at all with exploited immigrant labour. The lack of this is what makes Australia a fantastic country.

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    • Alley Cat

      Kate, you say that nannies “are often required to perform other tasks such as housework, shopping, dropping off, picking up, cooking the family meal etc which taxpayers should absolutely not have to subsidise.”

      Why shouldn’t we subsidise this? It is, after all, traditionally the role of the partner who stays at home to do these tasks. If there is no partner staying at home then these tasks don’t get done. We need to appreciate that running a household is WORK too – someone has to do these tasks. If the nanny agrees to do them well then that’s great for everyone.

      To me it sounds like you’re just picking apart bits of his argument because you know fundamentally it’s a better plan than your Government can hope to offer. As a side note, we wouldn’t be paying for it so much if you Government hadn’t spent all our surplus on giving people dodgy insulation, $900 handouts to spend on a new plasma (manufactured in China) or a holiday overseas.

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      • Anon

        Hear hear Alley Cat. So very true. How hypocritical to talk of thought bubbles. GreenLabor have governed from day one on thought bubbles and knee-jerk policies that have produced one disaster after another after another.

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      • Jayne

        Alley Cat – tax payers generally don’t have a problem subsidising childcare and tax allowances which benefit families. This is seen as as something which benefits Australians as a whole.

        However, it is completely unacceptable to say that taxpayers should contribute to the cost of cleaning private family homes. Firstly, this type of work is not the responsibility of the public, but the private individual. Secondly, the nanny is needed because the parent cannot look after the child during work hours but there is no reason why parents cannot clean their house themselves. They are not at work 24 hours a day and can do it at night or on weekends.

        Taking a tax example, if you work from a home office, you are not entitled to claim the cleaning costs for your entire home as tax deductions. Only the portion that is referable to your work is claimable. The same principle applies here.

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  20. part 2 (trouble posting)

    then – all of these people would be eligible for the non-means tested part of the childcare rebate and the government would have to find the funds. Just because they are using a nanny actually seems to be an excuse not to find the money – why shouldn’t the government need to find the funds for this as it would if all the children who are currently looked after by nannies were placed in childcare? Isn’t the idea about supporting families who need childcare and not about the type of childcare?

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  21. Eliza

    For all women who are trying as hard as they can to juggle children, travel time to work, childcare, and a fulfilling career you cannot say this idea is a bad one for all of us! So let’s forget about the politics and focus on the idea

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  22. charleesarah

    I can’t believe I am agreeing with MrAbbot on something!
    We have an au pair, and she costs us what 2 days in childcare for my 2 under 3s would end up being after the rebates. She lives with us, so I guess technically it ends up costing a bit more, but she is there for bathtime, meal time, mum having a shower time, and for some company when I am home with the kids on my non-work days. We are certainly not super-rich. This option was simply the most realistic for us given 12 month waiting lists for day care in Canberra, costs and value for money.
    I personally think it would make sense for nannies and au pairs becoming tax deductible rather than qualifying for the rebate, but happy to see some public conversations going on about it! The main drawback I predict would be if there were supports in place to make in-home-care more affordable it would become harder to get, like conventional daycare.

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  23. jb expat

    oh – and as for Abbott’s paid leave scheme – I’d love it … but I think it is just too expensive to be realistic. HOWEVER, I’d like for companies larger than a certain size to be required to pay employees some percentage of their standard pay for a period of time like 6 months…or maybe some sliding scale – for 3 months, 100%, for months 4-6, 75%, for months 6-9 50%…or make it less, but have it paid in a category like retrenchment that attaches less tax than standard salary. There are options that seem to be put in the too hard basket – but if it is important to society (and it should be as these children are going to be the ones earning money and paying taxes to support the social services that we all rely on as we age – and hopefully discovering cures for age-related illnesses like cancer and Alzheimer), then people need to start thinking outside the box and include the intangible (or future) costs associated with NOT providing these kind of subsidies (for lack of a better word)

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  24. Staying at home for now

    Has anyone read this article on SMH about this very issue?
    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/rebate-for-nanny-care-will-reduce-baby-blues-20120326-1vuly.html

    I really couldn’t concentrate on her arguments in support of Abbott’s plan because I couldn’t get past her bitchy statement about mothers who choose to stay at home. She says that staying at home with your baby is, “not a solution for anyone in the modern world, except those who are not really part of it anyway – hippies, heiresses, wives of the super rich and the catatonically unambitious”. Imagine the furore if a SAHM had written a similarly idiotic, disparaging remark about mums who work!

    I think the SAHM vs working mum debate has been done to death and I voiced my opinion on this the other day on the “I don’t feel guilty for working” post. However, given the emphasis that this website places on feminism – and the freedom to choose that comes with it – I can’t help but wonder whether we will see some commentary from someone on the Mamamia team about this.

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    • Anon

      Agreed. It is patronising in the extreme. I didn’t read past the quote you pointed out. Not interested.

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  25. jb expat - take 2

    take 2

    I support Abbott’s plan 110% – here’s why –

    If you want to see more women in senior positions in the workplace and want women’s super deposits on par with men’s (by helping them get back to work and be in a position to be offered…and able to accept…promotions), then the all forms of paid childcare including in home care (nannies through registered agencies) – should be eligible for the rebate. This would offer more alternatives (and is actually competitively priced if talking about more than 1 child) and free up spaces in centers/FDC for those who chose that option. In addition, often a nanny is the only option if you need to return to work and there are no open spots in local centers! I know women who wanted/needed to return to work but couldn’t because they couldn’t find care for their children as all the local centers are full.

    I confess – we have a nanny – we are a dual income couple and well paid in the scheme of things – but the nanny fees really stretch our budget. However, for a variety of reasons including flexibility and the fact that my little boy is a bit behind in terms of milestones, we wanted him to have 1 on 1 care (please keep in mind that this is not a conversation about whether I or my husband should stay at home). Our nannies (we have 2 but that’s because one works 3 days and the other 2 days/week as neither is available 5 days/week – and the total hours are LESS than FT as my husband and I alternate working short days in the office to save some in nanny fees – which means logging on after bedtime to make up for lost office hours) are FANTASTIC. We used an agency, pay a daily agency fee, obtained worksafe insurance and interviewed quite a few – they are truly professionals who love their jobs and I believe love my son. And because of the cost, as soon as our little boy hits one of the milestones that I see is key, we are going to put him in daycare 2 days/week to save $ – and get the most we can from the childcare benefit…but that’s 2 days that someone else can’t have (we listed our boy over a year ago to ensure that he has a spot when we are ready) and frankly, will make those 2 days a lot more stressful for everyone.

    Yes, nannies do help a bit around the house but the childcare comes first and professional nannies will not do housework at the expense of time spent engaging with an awake child. Also…see point above about not having women in senior positions – if you want more women in senior positions, a little help around the house is, well, HELPFUL with a capital “H”.

    It angers me to no end that Kate Ellis dismisses this as a reasonable option.

    And it doesn’t have to be a rebate – what about a tax deduction?

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    • Kate Ellis

      Mr Abbott has made clear that any nanny subsidies will come from “the existing funding envelope”, ie the money that assists thousands of Australian families with their child care fees through the Child Care Benefit and Child Care Rebate.
      Can you identify which group should get their funding cut?
      Currently it is directed towards regulated, professional early child services which research indicates play a huge role in early education and shaping future outcomes.

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      • jb expat

        Thanks for posting a reply.

        I suggested an alternative (tax deduction) – but that being said – I look at it like this…

        assume:

        1 – there are enough childcare spots for everyone who wants one

        2 – everyone who currently has a nanny lets their nanny go and puts them in childcare

        3 – we are talking about people who meet the criteria for the rebate (as in study or work, etc)

        then – all of these people would be eligible for the non-means tested part of the childcare rebate and the government would have to find the funds. Just because they are using a nanny actually seems to be an excuse not to find the money – why shouldn’t the government need to find the funds for this as it would if all the children who are currently looked after by nannies were placed in childcare? Isn’t the idea about supporting families who need childcare and not about the type of childcare?

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      • jb expat

        take 2

        Thanks for posting a reply.

        I suggested an alternative (tax deduction) – but that being said – I look at it like this…

        assume:

        1 – there are enough childcare spots for everyone who wants one

        2 – everyone who currently has a nanny lets their nanny go and puts them in childcare

        3 – we are talking about people who meet the criteria for the rebate (as in study or work, etc)

        then – all of these people would be eligible for the non-means tested part of the childcare rebate and the government would have to find the funds. Just because they are using a nanny actually seems to be an excuse not to find the money – why shouldn’t the government need to find the funds for this as it would if all the children who are currently looked after by nannies were placed in childcare? Isn’t the idea about supporting families who need childcare and not about the type of childcare?

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        • kate ellis

          sorry, my response to your post above has ended up way above.
          i’m newish to the world of blog commenting! will get back to work now.

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      • jb expat - take 3

        so then what do you say to families who need childcare assistance but it’s actually cheaper to have a nanny because they have 2 plus children? You can’t tell me that because the math works out this way that they are suddenly rich. I really don’t agree with your logic. I think the government has to find the money. I respectfully disagree that a tax benefit isn’t suitable. If you want women to work and to see them in high places in the corporate and not for profit world you need to offer the same benefits with flexible options such as nannies.

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  26. Cassie

    Go Tones!! I love him. He cracks me up and I agree he is a bit of a cowboy and like an awkward dad but I find it easier to trust awkward dad types!! Especially with old fashioned values! I actually vote family first but this policy rocks!
    Subsidising child care using day care alone is biased towards a certain subgroup of parents and I do think allowing subsidy of nannies would be such a relief for many. Geez, the amount of times I’ve heard women express how hard it is to get kids to day care in the mornings even if you do work 9-5… It would help more than just the shift workers!
    The costs saved in doctors visits/prescriptions can be used to help surely!! Less kids getting sick at day care! Less parents having to take sick leave when their child has a cold!! Day care is no good then but a nanny is!

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  27. Mia

    I have a part-time nanny and I have to say I find this interesting. But I’m concerned by the idea of it coming out of the same “child care budget envelope” or whatever term he used – basically that there would be no additional funding for nanny rebates – the money would have to come from somewhere else in that part of the budget.
    And that worries me.
    However I like that Tony Abbott is thinking outside the square and addressing the idea of working mothers and their needs – something liberal governments have not traditionally done.

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    • Eternally

      That worries me. Means testing the child care rebate perhaps? I hope not.

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    • Anon

      It’s a bit late to worry about the budget now, don’t you think? 200 billion in the red and counting?

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    • acanberramum

      Mia! Shouldn’t your comment read “addressing the idea of working *parents* and their needs”?!?!?! :)

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  28. Jo Paul

    There seems to be a lot of self-constructed ‘outs’ in Mr Abbott’s offering: sorry, commission couldn’t make it work; sorry didn’t get the numbers in the house; sorry seems I got your vote under false pretences …

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  29. tastebud

    I’d rather eat shit than vote for this man BUT right now, I simply cannot get back to my paid work with the current childcare options available.

    Will wait with baited breath.

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    • mark

      Baited and smelly i would suggest

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      • Anon

        Bated, baited and smelly even. So will everyone else have to vote for him so that you can benefit from the nanny rebate without having to eat poop to do so? Dilemma…

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      • tastebud

        Too funny! Yes, eewww

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    • Anon

      Charming.

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  30. G.J.

    I work as a nanny, and one family I worked for was (to buck the stereotype) a struggling working family who could barely afford me, but had no other option because of the hours and the ages of their three kids – one of whom was severely disabled.

    Having also worked in a childcare centre, I know that a nanny who knows and loves the kids, who can become part of the household routine, and who has the time to focus specifically on them is a huge advantage.

    In short, I think a rebate for in-home care would be a great thing for aussie kids.

    As an aside, I have never agreed with the whole tony abbot is anti-women thing. Granted he is a little awkward, but that’s quite a leap away from misogynist.

    I love your writing, Lauren…. even if your bias is a little bit obvious ;)

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    • Anon

      As Health Minister he blocked Australian women having access to RU486.

      He’s called a woman’s virginity the most “precious gift” she can give her husband – as if our brains, our personalities, our achievements don’t count for anything.

      He’s against women having bodily autonomy.

      He’s claimed – on television – that women don’t have an “absolute right” to say no to sex.

      How much more misogyny do you want?

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      • Stephanie

        wrong, wrong, wrong.

        He wanted to block RU486 for health reasons (which given a woman has just died in Australia from taking it at home looks like a good call).

        Not the most “precious gift she can give her husband” but a “precious gift” – he was referring specifically to advice he would give his daughters – advice that most fathers would give their daughters.

        He wants abortion to be safe. legal and rare – how anyone can disagree with that, I don’t know.

        The tv claim – where? That is just made up.

        Your hatred of him blinds you to what he has actually said.

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        • Anon

          Not true, Stephanie. Have a look what was written about the RU486 decision at the time – it had nothing to do with safety, his own department and the TGA said it was safe and recommended it be allowed: http://www.theage.com.au/news/michelle-grattan/tony-abbott-the-new-drug-watchdog/2005/11/15/1132016792057.html

          And the “absolute right to say no” thing – no, I’m sadly not making that up – it was on Q&A on 19 March 2009 – I’m not going to add a second link as it will hold the post up in moderation, but it’s still on their website and you can google it. Here’s the whole quote:

          “I think there does need to be give and take on both sides, and this idea that sex is kind of a woman’s right to absolutely withhold, just as the idea that sex is a man’s right to demand I think they are both they both need to be moderated, so to speak”.

          As for abortion, he doesn’t just think it should be rare, he’s said women do it just for convenience: “The problem with the Australian practice of abortion is that an objectively grave matter has been reduced to a question of the mother’s convenience.”

          I don’t think I’m the blind one here, seeing as you’re just making assertions, and I have actual quotes.

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      • G.J.

        Well, i was only a kid at the time of the RU485 thing, but from what i remember, there were some concerns about it’s safety for women. You may not agree that those safety concerns were as severe as TA said, but his reasons, nevertheless, were not anti-women.

        And I’m sorry, but I don’t think you can interpret that second quote to mean that TA doesn’t think women’s brains or personalities etc. are valuable. In context, I think he was being asked about when he’d like his own daughters to have sex. An awkward question at the best of times – one I don’t think he should even have been asked, since his daughter’s virginity or lack thereof has nothing to do with public policy. Funnily enough, my dad, who isn’t even catholic, would most likely say a similar thing about me if he was forced to think about it. He too would like me to wait.

        Old-fashioned, for sure, but as long as he’s not trying to control your sexual life, then I do not think it makes him a misogynist.

        We may need to agree to disagree…. :)

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        • Anon

          Whether he said it about his daughters or not – ““the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving”

          No it bloody well isn’t, and to suggest it is demeans every other quality a woman has.

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          • Anonymous

            Rubbish. He had teenage daughters at the time. Is that the worst you can come up with? Give me that anyway over breaking up a marriage and turning the lives of innocent children and their mother.

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            • Anon

              It’s clearly not the worst I could come up with – see my longer comment above. But as a woman I still think what he said stinks to high heaven.

              And I have no idea what you’re referring to with the rest of your comment, but as far as I’m concerned, there’s only two people who can break up a marriage – a husband and a wife. If one of them chooses to cheat, that’s not a third party’s fault.

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            • Anonymous

              No Anonymous, you have no idea because you choose to listen to the scorn and ridicule the ALP heap on Tony Abbott in order to stop the spotlight being turned on them. Just as they did to Campbell Newman. You should take your blinkers off and look at the character of both sides instead of being used.

              The ALP feel free to mock and ridicule anyone they like but Tony Abbott and the Coalition have never stooped as low as to point out ‘indiscretions’ that most of the public are aware of but the young and devout ALP supporters know nothing about.

              Tony Abbott is a genuinely good and decent man and really doesn’t deserve what he cops. And cop it does, day in and day out and he takes it on the chin over and over.

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      • Anonymous

        Nonsense. There were serious health issue around the drug at the time. NO-one is going to strip women of their rights.

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        • Anon

          No there weren’t – read the link I posted above.

          And as for anonymous at 6.40pm – attacking me personally doesn’t make me wrong. I’ve backed up what I’ve said with evidence – all you’ve done is have a go at me for supposedly being brainwashed by the ALP. I can tell you I look at the information, and I make up my own mind, based on evidence – obviously a concept with which you are unfamiliar.

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    • Willow

      I agree. I have been a nanny many times in many situations and paying a nanny is often far less than the cost of child care fees. I’ve never earned good money doing it but I can say that I believe it is a lot better than the environments in most child care centres I’ve worked in. Tired workers that are grumpy and paid very little to be with a lot of children over a generous amount of time each day leaves them resenting the children they should be caring for. I think this scheme is actually worthwhile and definitely not for rich people.
      Majority of the places ive nannied in have been far from it!

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      • Simone

        As a fellow nanny (who’s also worked in child care, kinder and primary school) I whole heartedly agree! Having been in childcare centres, I would love to be able to avoid them if I can when my children are young. The pressures on childcare centre workers are huge, and the pay dismal – its only natural they have some resentment towards their job & therefore the children

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  31. Beck

    Didn’t we once have a scheme that offered a rebate for family day care and nannies? I worked as a nanny when I was at uni (nearly 20 years ago) and I’m sure the family I worked for claimed a subsidy for what they paid me. Would this be right?

    I think it’s a great idea. Nannies are more cost effective for 2 or more kids and are often happy to work shorter shifts and more flexible hours.

    Maybe cutting back subsidised child care hours for unemployed people would help to fund the scheme….

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    • Anonymous

      you can claim Child Care Benefit for registered services (nanny, grandparent, family day care) as well as approved services (childcare centres, some family day care).

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  32. Simba

    Mr Abbott has said he will consult the Productivity Commission to see if funding for nannies was economically viable.

    Sounds great to me in principal…if I had two + children it would be a much more cost effective way of being able to work full time.

    My problem with this policy announcement is that just saying it doesn’t actually mean it will happen…I don’t trust Tony Abbott enough to think that it is any more than a ‘promise to investigate’. That it will probably be one of the first things to be thrown out the window if the Liberals won government and realised they could not afford it.

    So far the opposition has not been able to provide any costings of all the policies they have announced…zilch. I have no idea how they propose to pay for this and the increased value of the maternity leave payments they are proposing when they are promising to get rid of the mining tax/ carbon tax etc???

    I will not trust them until they can show proof of how they are going to pay for these promises and I don’t trust Tony Abbott enough to take him on his word.

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  33. Simba

    ‘Mr Abbott said he would consult the Productivity Commission to see if funding for nannies was economically viable.’

    Sounds great too me…if I had two + children it would be a much more cost effective way of being able to work full time and I love the idea in principal.

    My problem with this policy announcement he’s made is that just saying it doesn’t actually mean it will happen…at the moment I don’t trust Tony Abbott enough to think that it is any more than a ‘promise to investigate’.

    I’m concerned that it will probably be one of the first things to be thrown out the window as soon as the Liberals were to win government because they realise that it and their proposed increase to the maternity leave payments are unaffordable.

    So far the opposition has not been able to provide any thorough costing of all the policies they have been announcing…zilch. I have no idea how they propose to pay for this and the increased value of the maternity leave payments they are proposing when they are promising to get rid of the mining tax etc.?!?

    I will not trust them until they can show proof of how they are going to pay for these promises and I don’t trust Tony Abbott enough to take him on his word.

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  34. Susan As Well

    Is The Nanny Plan going to become a real policy?

    Does the rest of TA’s party agree with it?

    Has there been a party-wide change by members to appreciate the position of women in what becomes a pressure cooker of responsibilities for family and work? Is it just tokenism?

    Will be interesting to watch this evolve into real policy, or not. A lot of women and their families will be disappointed if it all comes to nothing.

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  35. Renae

    I must say though… the 6 months PPL at full salary doesn’t do much for me.

    I’m self employed in a small business with my hubby. It would be impossible for me to take 6 months off without our income dropping more than half. Actually, it would just be impossible for me to take 6 months off.
    However, the flexibility of the business would (hopefully, touch wood) allow me to do a lot of work from home, or even have a small baby with me. Still, it would be nice to be able to go part time to be more focused on a baby.

    Perhaps they need to make a provision for people who can’t take 6 months off… like a supplement to your income so you can only work a few days a week?

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  36. Open minded mum

    This would definitely get my vote. I just have doubt how feasible it is & would require something other than a his word that it would happen. I really hope its not an empty promise which will never come to fruition!

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  37. Jayne

    The proposition that “in home childcare” could be made more accessible is worth considering.

    I have a colleague who works long and often random hours, his wife has a disability which prevents her from being able to do some of the things some stay at home mums can do – like make lunches, walk the kids to the bus stop/school and participate in some afterschool playtime. They are in a position to choose in home childcare and it works for them.

    This situation made me realise that there would be other parents and families in a similar situation where in home childcare might be the best option but unattainable. Parents and families need childcare for so many different reasons – it’s worth us considering many different responses.

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  38. Renae

    Not being a mother, I’ve always been a little skeptical about childcare rebates, parenting payments etc. I don’t have kids, and it does seem a tiny bit unfair to subsidise other people who have them. I know I will probably get jumped on for that, but that is my honest feeling. I understand that it’s the best thing for the economy – to get mothers back into the workforce. So I’m ok with it.

    I think this could work IF the Nannies had to be educated, registered, accredited childcare workers for the parents to get the rebate. I have several friends in Childcare… and it’s not like it’s a university degree. A certain level of TAFE qualifications is fine.

    I had a nanny for a while. She was not a registered childcare worker, but a mother and grandmother herself. She was a lovely lady and we loved her to pieces. My mother was a high flying professional and politician with odd hours.
    We definitely appreciated the at home care! We also went to day cares and OOSHC, and having a beloved nanny at home was a much better experience ;)

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  39. Mary Poppins

    As a full time nanny, I think it’s a fabulous idea. Over the past eight years, I have worked for anyone from single mums who need a bit of ‘me time’, to lawyers and TV personalities. A nanny certainly isn’t something which only the rich utilise. The pressure on parents to work long hours, plus those who work irregular hours often makes is necessary.

    I am a qualified nanny (B. Early Childhood Edu), and my only reservation is that it is certainly an industry which is hard to regulate.
    I go in with a thorough knowledge of children’s developmental needs and plan activities to assist them in this growth. So many people do not have this, but see ‘nannying’ as a simple child minding activity.
    I like to think that I give children much of the learning and growth which they’d receive in childcare, but parents would need to be wary that not all careers would do the same.

    From having done countless teaching rounds in childcare centres, personally, I’d do all I could not to have a child in that kind of care until they were at least 18 months to two years. I think nannies are a fabulous alternative and that subsidies to make them more obtainable are a good move.

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      Oops, this didn’t show up the first time, so I posted it twice :)

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  40. Tripitaka

    I think it’s a great idea. If more people could afford nannies, it could also have the effect of freeing up places in existing child care centres.

    How much does a nanny cost? It would be interesting to compare the cost (which included the proposed rebate) to the average cost of childcare. Either way, I’m sure that it would be especially good for people with more than 2 young children.

    If more doctos and nurses (and other shift workers.. and well anyone who contributes anything.. ) can go back to work, then surely that’s of great benefit to society.

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    • Anonymous

      Anywhere from $18 to $40 per hour depending on whether you employ them direct or through an agency. The agency’s managing the in home care are running a scam themselves and charge a lot to do very little.

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  41. Simba

    Hi Mamamia team, just want to check why my posts don’t seem to be appearing on the comment stream?

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    • Mary Poppins

      Mine don’t either!

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      Mine’s not showing up either.

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      • Nicky Champ

        Sorry guys, we just had a few server issues – it’s fixed now.

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        • Simba

          Sorry Nicky…it’s still not working for me, just tried again.

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          • Natalia

            Sorry Simba – a couple of comments got stuck in our spam filter. They should be showing up now!

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        • Simba

          Thanks Nicky! :)

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  42. Simba

    ‘Mr Abbott said he would consult the Productivity Commission to see if funding for nannies was economically viable.’
    Sounds great too me…if I had two + children it would be a much more cost effective way of being able to work full time and I love the idea in principal.
    My problem with this policy announcement he’s made is that just saying it doesn’t actually mean it will happen…I don’t trust Tony Abbott enough to think that it is any more than a ‘promise to investigate’ that it will probably be one of the first things to be thrown out the window as soon as the Liberals were to win government.
    So far the opposition has not been able to provide any thorough costing of all the policies they have been announcing…zilch. I have no idea how they propose to pay for this and the increased value of the maternity leave payments they are proposing when they are promising to get rid of the mining tax etc.?!?
    I will not trust them until they can show proof of how they are going to pay for these promises and I don’t trust Tony Abbott enough to take him on his word.

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  43. S

    ‘Mr Abbott said he would consult the Productivity Commission to see if funding for nannies was economically viable.’

    Sounds great too me…if I had two + children it would be a much more cost effective way of being able to work full time and I love the idea in principal.

    My problem with this policy announcement he’s made is that just saying it doesn’t actually mean it will happen…I don’t trust Tony Abbott enough to think that it is any more than a ‘promise to investigate’ that it will probably be one of the first things to be thrown out the window as soon as the Liberals were to win government.

    So far the opposition has not been able to provide any thorough costing of all the policies they have been announcing…zilch. I have no idea how they propose to pay for this and the increased value of the maternity leave payments they are proposing when they are promising to get rid of the mining tax etc.?!?

    I will not trust them until they can show proof of how they are going to pay for these promises and I don’t trust Tony Abbott enough to take him on his word.

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  44. Rebafe

    Firstly – can we have clarification from you Lauren as to whether your intent is to write impartial news pieces or opinion pieces? I like your writing and love to read about politics on Mamamia but this is kind of sharmy anti-Abbot writing – please please do better!!!! (not that I am an Abbot fan at all! I just want to form my own opinions – not be lead by the nose….. I know that Rick has previously defended this style of writing by saying “we’re not the ABC” but couldn’t Mamamia aspire to be impartial in news and political stories???)

    But back to the story…..

    I think this is a great idea in principle – I’m lucky enough to have a nanny in my home one day a week whilst I work part-time. With 3 children it’s cheaper and much less stress on the family than having to run around getting kids ready for daycare. And at the risk of setting off a whole string of debates on day care vs home care, I believe it is better for my children under 3 years old to be cared for at home.

    I hope that this can be funded and gives the Government something to think about.

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    • Leelu

      I am not an Abott fan,however, I see this as being a fantastic idea.

      I do see the issue of ‘trained nannies’ being pertinent as a block to the implementation of the scheme. This is easily fixed. If a family is willing and able to pay for the services of a person trained in childcare contracted at the award rate of pay, be that on a casual/ part-time, or permanent basis, then what is the problem? Many women who work ‘out of child-care hours’ are not from the ‘well off’ sector of our society. This idea could go a long way to addressing some serious imbalance in our perception of who would need/use a nanny.

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    • Anonymous

      Hi there Rebafe, thanks for the question, I can see that some people are a bit perplexed by my style….
      I won’t be writing impartial news pieces OR opinion pieces… I’m a political sketch writer, so it’ll always be light-hearted with some analysis and a bit of satire included.
      Rick is Mamamia’s news reporter, and he’s damn fine at it, so I won’t be doubling up on what he already does :)

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      • Rebafe

        I’m guessing that response is from you Lauren. Thanks – I’m sorry if I missed your intro when you joined MM – I hadn’t realised you were doing light hearted! I think that many people commenting here didn’t either!

        Great work – maybe you should look at including that info in the little bio blurb at the base of your articles?

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        • laurend

          Oops, yep, that was me! You are right Rebafe, I’m pretty sure some people have assumed this is a news piece, which would read very differently to something you’d read in a newspaper. Some of my other articles on here have been really really lighthearted (if you click on my name, you’ll see some other stories, the last one on “pollinese” is a good example). I’m so sorry that some people have become upset over this piece… perhaps a short explanation would be a good idea. Thanks for the suggestion Rebafe xx

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  45. N1col3

    I havent sold my soul to any party but if this combined with the immediate implementation of the NDIS is what he promises then I would vote for him.

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  46. Bradley

    Hello Ladybird. Great to speak with you. When I read the article, I saw it as being very anti Tony Abbott, first and foremost. Hence my suggestion of bias. Personally I don’t mind which way the author’s political affiliations swing. But I read the article as an opinion piece rather than a genuine warts and all report of proposed political policy.

    Like yourself, I’m honestly not sure if Lauren is all for it or as you say, “blowing smoke up our back botties”.

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    • laurend

      Hi Bradley, if this was a biased opinion piece, wouldn’t you be able to tell which way I fall on the issue?? Hehe… Just kidding :)
      To be completely honest, I am a fan of the policy, but it’s just an idea at the moment, so it’s hard to tell how it would be set out and where the money would come from and how it would work practically. So it’s important to think of those things before getting too excited about it. I think if he can make it work, it will be amazing. It’s a great thing that Tony Abbott can admit that he’s learnt about the pressures on working mums and is now trying to help, when only a few years ago, he was against government funded paid parental leave. I believe our pollies can learn and grow and change, and this is a great example of that. I do believe he wants to make a difference, and I commend him for that (he is actually a lovely, funny person in real life. He reminds me of my dad, a real bloke’s bloke). As a journalist though, I would have to wait and see if this can actually work. I hope it does!

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      • Bradley

        Hi Lauren. Now I’m quite sure where you stand in regard to this proposal. I appreciate the clarification. Still, Ifound your article fairly biased and anti Tony Abbott. That distracted me from the issue that you were reporting.

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  47. mark

    What the …..”Instead, he walks like he’s been riding a horse for days. His suits never sit right on his muscular frame” Where do you get off making these statements. Im sure you dont categorise female politicians by the way they walk or how their clothes sit on their bodies. And what exactly has this got to do with his policy ? The piece is full of put downs -Tony “let me rub your feet” Abbott -Mr Abbott 2.0 (the Lady Loving version) that are your own view of this person and certainly an attempt to paint him in a certain light. Hardly professional i would have thought.
    Also linking the pink batts scheme ( a Labor policy) to this one is more than a stretch. This Labor government has a history of schemes that are low on details and therefor failed when people were able to exploit them. What is your reason for saying that the Liberals would produce something similar ?

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    • laurend

      Hi Mark, I’m sorry that you see these as put downs. They’re not intended to be. I’m saying that Tony Abbott projects a cowboy image than tends to make him look more gruff than he really is. He is criticized constantly for not “getting” women’s issues, but he is making a huge effort to show that he does actually undstand the pressures that mothers are under. He is showing that he wants to step up and take care of mums (hence the ‘let me rub your feet’). I actually see this as a great thing, and he himself says that he has not always been this understanding.

      The link to pink batts is pointing out that in an unregulated industry, you open yourself up to people who will exploit the rebate. But I believe that he is now looking at some caveats in the policy to make sure that people do have qualifications. It is valid, given past experience, to point out that people will be dodgy when money is being handed out, but if it’s managed correctly you can avoid it. I hope he manages to bring this policy in and that it’s a huge success!

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      • mark

        Thanks Lauren. Writing can be a very hard medium as meanings and inflections can be misinterpreted by the reader unless clearly spelt out. I couldnt see how his attire or his posture related to the article without your explination.

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        • laurend

          You are so right Mark. It’s tricky sometimes because to fully spell it out would take hundreds more words. I think this article was about 1400 words before I sliced and diced it back to about 700! Perhaps some of the stuff that would’ve made it clearer for you, got the old DEL :)

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  48. b

    I don’t know about anyone else but I cannot stand Tony Abbott and I don’t for a second believe that he’s really hand-on-heart changed his views on women. He’s in a tricky position – he might well have changed his views (though I doubt it) but how is anyone seriously going to believe that when he’s in the business of winning votes? He’ll say whatever he needs to, regardless of whether he really believes it.

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    • Simone

      The only “view on women” you think he has is what the ALP has told you!!
      He has a wife and three girls, I’m sorry, but I do not believe it.

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      • Anon

        Because no woman has ever had a sexist father or husband.

        Oh wait…

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      • Fi

        HEY EVERYONE, HE HAS A WIFE AND DAUGHTERS! THIS MEANS HE CAN’T BE SEXIST, EVER! TAKE NOTE

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        • Linda

          no need to shout Fi. We get your point without the caps. And yes, it does seem to me that the sexist thing is a myth the Labor Party like to propagate….and it will be exploited more so once we near the 2013 election.

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      • b

        No actually – the view on women I think he has, has come out of his own mouth on more occasions than I care to count. These have been picked up by posts above so I won’t repeat them but Tony Abbott’s failure to respect and connect with women is entirely his own problem, the ALP hasn’t created it for him.

        Oh and just a tip – don’t assume to know how a person has formed their views – it’s insulting. I’m a little smarter than to believe what any government party has to say without doing my own footwork on the background.

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        • Simone

          When it comes down to it, you don’t know him, and any opinion you’ve formed on the type of the person he is is just as rude as my assuming I know from what source your opinion was formed.
          I don’t see any issue with someone not believing in abortion as one eg – the moral behind that is a good thing. He’s never tried to block abortion (not that he could get the support even if he wanted to) and understands the need for it. He voices HIS personal opinions and they’re skewed to suggest that they’re in line with his policy – an absolute untruth.

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  49. Anon

    It’s enough for me. I went along with the ribbing and ridicule of Tony Abbott until someone pulled me up and made me think about it. He wears speedos when life saving, just like every other lifesaver does. He doesn’t wear them into Parliament. He is fit and healthy – crime? Nuh. He has three daughters whom he protected as teenagers by instilling morals and boundaries. Crime? Nuh, commendable, HIGHLY commendable and from all accounts he helped raise three accomplished, confident, strong daughters.

    He’s a Catholic. So what? When did it become a crime to be Catholic or Christian? Anna Bligh is Catholic, Kristina Kennelly is a devout Catholic, Paul Keating is Catholic. Catholics were and remain a faction of the Labor Party. Atheists have less proof that God doesn’t exist than those who believe he does – in any religion from Jews to Islam to Christians. The sanctimonious scoffing at Christians (note it’s never Muslims or the Aboriginal Dreamtime, only Christians) and the bible is bewildering.

    He’s been married to the same woman for years. He is a devout family man. He has a mortgage and school fees. His wife is a childcare worker. He volunteers as a firefighter, a lifesaver and for MANY years has spent weeks of his holidays at the coal face in Aboriginal settlements. At the moment he is on the Pollie Pedal that raises money for carers and the disabled.

    He’s a Rhodes Scholar and has several degrees. He’s an ordinary man who is far from ordinary and I think he’s the real deal and that we’re lucky to have him.

    If his biggest fault is that he’s a bit old fashioned then bring it on. We could do with a few old fashioned values at the moment.

    And as a nurse and the mother of adult children who work the punishing shifts of health care, I say he’s onto something and it would be very welcome in my family.

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    • mark

      Here , here – Anon

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      • Bel

        So true…

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        • Susan As Well

          If I had to think about TA’s personal life and recent comments about realising how much women do in the home and the workforce, it makes me think that he has only been able to be so active outside the home because his wife was at home taking care of it all for him. It’s a bit naive to think he’s earned a solid place of appreciating women *now* and to trust in that.

          What he does in his personal life does not automatically reflect in his political life so I’m not sure of the value of looking at his personal life really. He has a personal life but he is also a Liberal party member and beholden to those policies, regardless of how he feels or acts in his personal life.

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      • Fiona

        Yay!!! So true! About time someone outlined the real Tony Abbott on this site. I think he is fabulous and would make an outstanding leader

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        • latte sipper

          You guys have got ot be joking about Tony Abbott being a great guy-its a joke isn’t it????

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    • Bradley

      I honestly wish that I had written your comment.

      Very well said.

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    • Anon for this one...

      Well said Anon, just the other week someone on here was ridiculing him because he happened to suggest to his daughters to save themselves for someone they really loved, now truthfully who wouldnt want that for their daughter rather than your first time being with some random at a party after drinking 2 bottles of passion pop…..which may or may not have been my situation!!

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    • Marcia

      Great points! It is a real relief as a woman in the very predictament he describes – married, 4 kids and a professional trying to juggle it all that SOMEONE in Canberra gets it!!! I don’t see this level of understanding in Julia. I also respect Tony as a parent, husband and community citizen. We need more of this perspective as Tony feels more human in this light

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      • Sarah

        The current government has raised child-care rebates, and introduced the first ever mat leave scheme – doesn’t that say they have more of an understanding that the Liberals ever did?

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    • stinkb0mb

      I can’t love this comment enough. I’ve always been a fan of Tony mainly because he stuffs up. He says the wrong thing, admits it and owns it – it makes him HUMAN, normal just like the rest of us.

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    • twomummies

      I agree with much of what you say but definitely not the notion that we need a few old fashioned values at the moment…..old fashioned values are what is keeping me from marrying my partner!

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      • Soyabean

        Yep. Those ‘old fashioned values’ which are apparently so needed never left, they’re still here, telling us we’re not good enough to get married :(

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    • Ames

      Well said. Suggest the MM team get you to rewrite the above piece of opinionated ‘journalism’ with a bit more fact and objectivity.

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    • Mary

      Brilliant! Well said.

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    • Minimagic77

      Yes Anon, exactly. Well said… Now, if only TA would commit to Marriage Equality then he may well just shift this life long Labor voter!

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    • Anonymous

      Hear bloody hear.

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  50. JustMe

    As long as it doesnt take money away from childcare centres I think it is a great idea and would work well for my family. I am a NICU nurse and my husband works a shiftwork roster in the mining industry and when we are both on mornings my poor Mum has to come over at 630 to get the kids off to school/daycare so I can be at work by 7, then she goes off to her fulltime job, often arriving later than she’d like. Similiarly in the evenings if we areboth on afternoon shift , Mum picks them up from OOSH/daycare and has them till 10 at night then drives home, I’m sure it takes a toll and she is an absolute gem for doing it. But the downside is when we have something social on I am loathe to ask her to babysit, thereby one of us misses out or we “farm’ them all out to friends.

    Luckily I only do 3 shifts a week, but I am considering leaving for a few years till Mr 2 goes to school and doing some GP practice nursing as it is just so hard to juggle, but I think that would also bore me to tears as well. Wouldnt it be great to have job satisfation and peace of mind on the home front? the two always seem to be mutually exclusive…..

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    • mama carol

      Just Me – I just wanted to let you know you’re not alone – the juggle of parenting and a fulfilling career (that also has to pay the sydney mortgage) is my life’s greatest struggle! We also rely heavily on my parents to help with school and day care pick ups (and even full time care on some days) and then are reluctant to ask for weekend babysitting. I don’t have an answer, just share your frustration!

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    • Faybian

      You’re very lucky you have your mum. I was in a similar situation with my older 2 kids, but no parents around for years. I now work business hours and my youngest is 9 this year.
      We had a couple of really good day care mums (one who worked 24/7) and used a variety of friends and informal child care.

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