And it doesn’t just feature same sex people. The list covers all. SameSame founder Tim Duggan wrote:
“For many years if you mentioned the words ‘gay’ and ‘icon’ in the same sentence, you’d instantly conjure up images of Cher straddling a canon, Judy commanding Carnegie Hall, Bette on the beach or Madonna twisting yoga poses into dance moves. But it’s twenty frigging twelve, and us new gays think it’s high time we politely shoved the previous generation of icons back into the closet and anointed a new breed of modern gay icons.
Some of them are gay, some are straight and a few sit somewhere in the middle – yet they’re all united by one thing: a healthy amount of respect and admiration from the gay community for fiercely being who they are. A strong sense of self is the biggest requirement to be considered an icon, and in the lead up to Sydney’s Mardi Gras this weekend, here is our pick of the definitive list of Australia’s most influential new gay icons.” Without further ado, here’s some of those picks:
Federal politician Penny Wong, pictured here with her partner Sophie Allouache (left) and baby Alexandra.
New law allows women to get the pill, without prescription
A new law passed in the Senate today will make the pill (and anti-cholesterol drugs) to get a top up on an exhausted supply without the need of a prescription from the doctor. The measure would apply to women who had previously had a prescription but have simply run out. Health Minister Tanya Plibersek said the new laws will mean “patients will not have to risk missing their medication if they’re unable to see a doctor”. As news.com.au reported: Provisions already exist allowing chemists to dispense emergency supplies of a necessary drug, but in these cases the drugs without prescriptions do not attract the subsidy from the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, which can make them expensive. The pharmacist would be required to notify the most recent prescribing doctor in writing that the medication had been topped up.
- This is how Mamamia first covered the issue. Should the pill also be free?
Gerry Harvey says people will shoulder blame if they don’t start shopping
Retailer Gerry Harvey says businesses will go bust and the economy take a bigger hit if people don’t start spending again. His own Harvey Norman electrical, bedding and furniture network took a six-month profit hit of more than six per cent. Retail sales figures for January, out yesterday, showed growth of only 0.3 per cent – and all of the increase was accounted for by a 4.3 per cent jump in spending at cafes and restaurants. “If you are in technology, which is audio-visual and computers, you are getting a hiding,” Mr Harvey said. ”It’s just under extreme pressure and the evidence of that is Woolworths deciding to get rid of Dick Smith and the recent collapse of WOW Audio Visual Superstores, and in addition to that you have the other collapse of Sleep City bedding group. If you go to Singapore and Malaysia, for example, and you talk to people there they say ‘what’s wrong with you guys? You have got all that mining and those problems? I wish we had that [mining resources] and problems!’ They look at us with great amazement because they just can’t believe we are going on like we are.’’
Inquiry recommends formal apology for other stolen generation
For decades it was accepted practice to remove children from their unwed, single or ‘unfit’ young mothers as they were born in the belief it was the best thing for both the mother and child. It wasn’t and now there are more than 100,000 parents who never knew their children, and even children who never knew their birth parents. The Senate Inquiry into the practice – which occurred most heavily in the 1950s, 60s and 70s – tabled its final report in the upper house yesterday with 20 recommendations. The first is that the Commonwealth and other state and territory governments issue a formal apology. While the ‘forced adoptions’ were never expressly encouraged by law, they were seen as normal and condoned. Australian Greens senator Rachel Siewert, who chaired the inquiry, broke down as she tabled the report. “This was a really hard, emotional inquiry,” she said. “You couldn’t help but take the stories to heart.” Labor senator Claire Moore told the chamber people had to consider in retrospect whether the adoptions had been in the best interests of children and parents. Senator Moore said one of the most poignant moments of the inquiry was a woman telling senators all she wanted was for her son to know she loved him and had not given him away. Some agencies and governments, like the Western Australian government, have already apologised.
- Mamamia shared some of the heartbreaking stories and more information about forced adoptions here.
Today marks a new beginning for your data on Google
Google has changed the way it collects your data, rolling some 60 privacy policies into one easier to understand one. But the changes means it will know more than ever about users. We’ve already covered the basics about just how much data Google collects, but that was all split over individual ‘properties’ like YouTube, Gmail and so on. Now it all rolls into one. It basically means Google will be able to target even more ridiculously specific ads at you because it’ll know collectively what’s going on in your emails, what videos you’re listening to, what searches you’re making. All in one profile. For many it’s not a problem; they realise that if a product is free, they’re more than likely the product. But if you have issues, you can change your settings. Google has even provided some info here.
Phone hacking inquiry claims Murdoch Jnr, sort of
Rupert Murdoch’s heir apparent, son James, has resigned as executive chairman of News International, the beleaguered British newspaper arm of global News Corporation as the phone hacking scandal and inquiry drags on. He’s the most high profile scalp yet in a long-running search for the truth which has already claimed Rupert Murdoch’s favoured ‘daughter’ Rebekah Brooks and several high profile staff. But James will remain on as Chief Operating Officer for News Corp, looking after its British television interests. The Leveson Inquiry has seen James Murdoch accused of a ‘cover-up’ at the company.
“He wasn’t around when the original hacking era started. He wasn’t around when the doomed and disastrous cover-up was launched. The trouble is that wittingly or unwittingly … he became caught up in that cover-up,” Former News of the World deputy editor Paul Connew said.
Mr Murdoch had acknowledged receiving an email from a senior executive that warned of evidence that hacking was more widespread but had denied opening the attachment with this information. Mr Connew said this either amounted to “complete incompetence or something more sinister”.
Should kids start school earlier and finish after lunch?
That’s the discussion one Australian school is having with a proposal before it to start classes at 8am and have the students out the door after lunch, at 1.15pm. Merrylands East Public School is consulting every family of its 381 students about the idea. Educators and child experts believe the traditional 9am-to-3pm school day no longer meets students’ needs and the earlier times make the most of children’s brain functions. The school said many of the children already arrived at 8am as they had working parents and those who couldn’t be picked up at 1.15pm could be cared for at the school’s homework centre.
Is changing school times something we should be looking at nationally?









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I wish the school day was longer, not shorter! Maybe then they could get more done in the day and send home less homework!
Living in the UK it sent me crazy dropping my kids off at nursery (pre-school) at 9am to return at 11.30am EVERY DAY. It was crazy!
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Just wondering when the “Most influential straight people” article is going to be written??
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Probably when straight people are discriminated on the basis of their sexuality. I’ll give you a heads up when that happens.
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This change in school hours is pretty unrealistic for loads of parents regardless of their working arrangements. We live in a fairly remote community within metro Sydney, and our local school starts at 9.25 to accommodate the travel time of many kids. My 6 year old daughter gets on a ferry at 8am to get to school for 9.25am, and doesn’t get home until almost 5pm.
To start her day any earlier would be completely unreasonable and unfair, and this is not an argument based on personal convenience. Waking her up at 5.30am to get her on a 6.30am ferry would do nothing for her educational ability – she would spend her day exhausted.
The general 9am (ish) start time has been chosen because it accommodates the largest number of people’s circumstances.
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Most school times have been chosen to suit the school community as you prove in your comment. The 9.25 school suits your community. Here in the Territory most schools begin around about 8.00 and finish about 2.30 and that is what suits our communities. I hope that the decision makers remain sensible and change (or not) to times to suit their school communities.
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Children in the North West of WA have been starting at 8 and finishing at 2 for quite a while now. Its not anything new up here.
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I like the sound of early starts for school. A short, intensive school day would benefit and oprimise learning. In lots of other hot countries school starts early and is over by lunchtime.
This may not meet working parents needs, but school is for educating children first and foremost, in the best possible way. Working parents should find babysitters if they need that service. School is just for schooling.
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Yeah? And how I am supposed to afford the childcare if I’m only able to work half a day and I am a single Mother? Claim even more family benefits from Centrelink and have everyone bemoan how much welfare is sucked up by unwed Mothers?
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I fully agree with you Anon
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I can only imagine how difficult this must be for you. However, teachers are only responsible for teaching your child. They are not there to provide childcare. School is school and daycare is daycare. It’s important we don’t devalue our children’s education by seeing school as a childcare service.
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School is school, and when they are not in school, I pay for after school care and holiday care already. You’re asking me to accept that I may have to pay for longer hours at a child care provider but I’m telling you that how am I supposed to pay for that on a one income wage? It’s an incredibly stressful juggling act between earning my way in the world, being a good Mum and making sure nobody can point a finger at me saying I’m a welfare sponge. And I get so upset when the assumption is I’m only thinking of my own needs and not those of the student’s and teachers?
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I sympathise with you anon, it’s tough work for single parents, and even many non single parents to juggle work and children, and to manage finances… it shouldn’t be made harder for them. Why do they want to make the times earlier? I’m not an early morning person, so god knows it wouldn’t have benefited me as a student. Perhaps some schools should start later to cater for those like me? Truth is, we can’t can’t cater to every single person’s preference, and that’s why school starts when it does, and has done, for quite some- in the middle ground; not to early, not too late for the majority of people.
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http://www.news.com.au/national/law-allows-women-to-see-pharmacist-for-birth-control-pill-supplies/story-e6frfkw9-1226286363622
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“It wasn’t and now there are more than 100,000 parents who never knew their children, and even children who never knew their birth parents.”
Is that meant to be “even more children who never knew their birth parents”?
We’re presuming the children never met the birth parents already…
Tragic stories. My mum and I have been talking about it and it could have easily happened to us, if a slightly earlier time, in another place. It was 1980 in Brisbane and she demanded to keep me – but very nearly didn’t get to…
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v timely re discussion on school start and finish times. My husband and i were discussing it today about how school hours and times (as well as school holidays) do not fit in with working parents. I actually think school hours should be longer and with less holidays so that there is cohesion with working parents. Seems to work in long day care (but i could be opening up a whole other can of worms here…)
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Here comes your can of worms! To say change school hours to suit the schedules of working parents is fundamentally selfish and educationally unsound. Most schools offer before and after school care. What else do you want? A school is an educational institution not a child minding service! Not even going to discuss reducing holidays!
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Try spending time in a school after lunch or in the last 2 weeks of an 11 or 12 week term and you will very quickly understand why the school teaching day is not as long as a work day and why holidays are necessary. Both of these are in place for the benefit of the students.
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Maybe kids who have spent most of their preschool time in fulltime long daycare could cope with the longer hours and less holidays but the bulk of children who havent would find the days and terms much too long and tiring. Most kindy kids barely cope with their 6 hour days and 10 week terms as they are. Your idea isnt fair on any children or their teachers who would have to deal with over tired kids at work and then go home to their own.
Isnt that what vacation care is for?
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School is not where the majority of learning occurs. Children need to spend time with family to learn things like manners, social etiquette, birds and the bees, etc. Putting them into school for longer days and with less holidays will contribute to the breakdown of family and society as we know it. Why have kids only for someone else to raise them?
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The function of school is to educate your children and meet their (educational, social, emotional) needs in the best way. NOT to convenience working parents. Sorry, we teach your kids. If you want a babysitter find one elsewhere. Early starts sound great to me.
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I have pondered this and have just two more words to add – “boarding school”.
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Perhaps Mr Harvey should spend some time as Undercover Boss is some of his franchises. Then he’ll find out the real reason Australians aren’t spending money in his stores. The service is non-existent. And I know I’m not the only one who can see this.
I recently purchased a washing machine. Price and features were my main concerns. I needed to talk to someone who could show me which machines had the features I wanted, then we could talk price. My local Harvey Norman was one of the retailers I visited. It was a weekday, not a busy Saturday morning. In the time I waited for my husband to find someone to help us, I had inspected all the models on the floor and read the sales ticket for each one. And I still had time to wait. When we eventually found a salesperson, he knew nothing about washing machines. He could only answer my questions by reading the sales ticket on each machine. At no time did he attempt to find another salesperson who knew about washing machines. He was happy to let me walk out the door when I left in frustration. When I later purchased a machine at the Retrovision nearby, I no longer cared what the price was, only that I could get the information I was after.
Perhaps if retailers provided better service, they might retain their customers. It’s very easy to blame internet sales and other such excuses. Good service followed by reasonable pricing will win every time.
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My husband had a hilarious encounter at a well known liquor chain recently. We live in the Hunter Valley and so he asked the guy behind the counter where was their Hunter Valley wines as he was buying a gift and wanted to get something nice. The guy behind the counter said, “Well we don’t actually stock many Hunter Valley wines.” OK that seemed a bit weird not stocking the local product but nonetheless my husband was in a hurry so he asked what other good wines could he recommend. The guy behind the counter answered deadpan, “Well actually I don’t know much about wine…” A liquor store with an employee who knows nothing about his product. Hmmmm.
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To be fair, the guy was probably 18 or so and probably only drank wine that came in a box. And the guy above probably lived at home and the extent of his washing machine knowledge was not to mix darks with lights.
Not enough people want to work weekends/in customer service/minimum wage to ensure that the staff are knowledgable. HOWEVER companies should be focusing more on staff training. Sure, the kid might not be able to afford nice wine, but at least teach him how to sell nice wine!
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I know it’s almost impossible to do all the time, but if we all try to spend our money in the little businesses that aren’t big conglomerates or chain stores, we would be making an enormous difference. I try to buy from butcher, baker, green grocer, local fashion boutique, florist, bottle shop etc because at least my money goes toward feeding a family instead of paying dividends to shareholders. Big business has completely lost touch with god service etc!
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haha yes!
i cant wait for harvey norman to go bust so old mr harvey might shut up and get the picture! your service is terrible, your products only vaguely better quality than discount retailers and your pricing well out of proportion.
get real or get out (of business)
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OliviaNewton John looks like a plastic doll. Whatever happened to aging gracefully?
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Everybody needs to watch the Four Corners episode on forced adoption in Australia. It is absolutely heartbreaking and it made me feel so ashamed of our government and health care system in the past. You can view it on ABC iview for free.
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Read a few of the books. It’s heartbreaking.
I was against the indigenous stolen generation policy as there are many white Australians who were stolen from their parents at birth or older. Govt’s and so called child protection agencies did this, then lied and then hid or destroyed records.
Where was their apology?
They don’t blame the govt for their failings. They didn’t make a big deal. For years they quietly did the best they could.
The apology is definitely due for those stolen at birth. Now to acknowledge the hundreds of thousands stolen and taken from the uk to here. Where is their apology??
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It’s interesting to see the proposed change in school times. A book I read in the last few years that spoke of the importance of sleep in children (for the life of me can’t remember it’s title!) spoke about many schools in the US switching to later start times, because the kids had to often get up at so early (pre- 6am, in many cases) to be ready in time to start school between 7.30 and 8.00. In the schools where there had been a change in time, they’d witnessed big positive changes in behaviour and concentration levels. Many parents have trouble getting the kids into bed at a reasonable hour now, to start at 9.00. I can only imagine the behaviour changes if they lost another 1-2 hours sleep.
Certainly wouldn’t work well in our family.
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Totally agree. My teenager is ‘mr alive’ at around 10pm. I have to drag him out of bed at 7am. I wish he’d start school at 11am and finish around 6pm. We’d all be happier!
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I’m a nightowl too, I’d LOVE those kind of hours!
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Gerry Harvey just doesn’t get it does he? We’ve all gone back to our normal spending patterns after the excesses of the 2000s…he, and the other retailers, will need to get used to that…the spending boom of the 2000s was never going to last…
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Agreed! Harvey Norman aren’t missing out on my money because I’m buying online – they’re missing out on my money because I just don’t need to spend money on a $2,000 computer
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http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail-market-working-as-it-should-20120301-1u4se.html
It would seem many agree with you.
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And I don’t not buy at Harvey Norman because I am not making purchases, I just don’t shop at Harvey Norman because I think he’s a dickhead and wouldn’t ever shop there..
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I think primary schools starting earlier is an excellent idea. Younger kids generally wake up earlier and an earlier start time would take advantage of their most energetic hours.
By the same token, high school could easily start later in the day and end later to take advantage of their most energetic hours.
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I don’t think High School students are better in the afternoon. Ask all Teachers and most will tell you the worst period of the day without doubt is the last period. The kids are wired and over it. I think all Schools should start and finish earlier.
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C 501 2
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Huh?
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Oh my god the computers are finally developing free thought..
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I love the idea of school starting at 8am and finishing at 1.15pm. This would suit my family really well, and give the kids a rest time before afternoon activities begin at 4pm. Any change like this would be hard for parents who work full time, but it’s just another reason why employers should be moving towards more flexible work practices for staff.
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Nice to see some ‘Gay Icons’ who are actually gay!
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Re “forced adoption” story, can I just point out that ‘accepted practice’ is not the same as ‘government policy’.
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I did explicitly make mention of that.
“While the ‘forced adoptions’ were never expressly encouraged by law, they were seen as normal and condoned.”
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When I went to high school in Lyon I was there from 8 until 6, depending on the final subject, with a 2 hour break for lunch and finishing at midday on Wednesdays. It was a bit of a shock to the system, they were massive days, but the two hour lunch break was pretty awesome as was going home at lunchtime Wednesdays. I think the two hour lunch breaks were great to have a nap (rather than napping in class), have a decent meal and get extra homework done. But I went home for the break, so for any kids who couldn’t it might have dragged on.
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Did you do school on Saturday mornings, as well? I think that is being or has been phased out now though. My husband is French and we split our time between France and Australia. I have very real concerns about our children going to school in France for the long hours – by senior school, my husband was doing 38 hours of school and lab time per week. That doesn’t include homework or extra-curricular stuff which, with such prohibitive hours, doesn’t really feature for many French school children. And it is a joke when you consider the 35hr working week for adults!
We did spend time in Finland last year, picking up on Rick’s point below, and their education system is truly remarkable. I’d love if Australia could head in that direction (a more collaborative approach) rather than adopting the principles of the US system, as Gillard did with her education reforms. The public education system in the States is not particularly great and breeding competition (as the government has done) has been proven not to enhance educational outcomes which is why I think the MySchools website is absolutely counter-productive. Finland’s approach is definitely the way to go and it baffles me as to why the Australian government didn’t adopt an evidence-based approach to educational reforms.
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I love Daniel Johns, where is he these days? Hope he’s making more music we can here soon.
Olivia Newton Johns performance in grease is what made her an icon in my mind. And i’m sure many of our gay friends would agree.
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No way! Grease is a horrible, horrible movie. Xanadu, now there’s a film. It has it all! Mythology, roller disco, Gene Kelly…
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Shame on you for saying Grease is horrible!
It was my sex education in song.
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The high school I went to in WA, we started at 8.30am and finished at 2.45pm, except for the first Wednesday of every month where we started at 8.30am and finished at 2.20pm so the teachers could have a staff meeting.
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Anyone else feel like this school hours story is a total beat up preventing real discussion about the Gonski Review and the gross inequity within our education system (And the fact that no-one seems to want to do anything about it)? I mean really, if schools were properly resourced and supported would it really matter what time the kids start and finish?
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I think they have a point in that some medical experts do think kids perform better in the morning, not in the afternoon. I saw this as being separate to the school funding review.
In fact I read an awesome column yesterday (Ross G, I think) who said we always talk about resources and funding – which are important – but never about *how* that funding should be spent or *how* our kids are learning.
That has an equally important role to play. In Finland, it ain’t all about the cash. It’s about the culture as well. They’re the best in the world.
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The Gronski report has plenty to say about how the funding should be spent and how kids should learn?
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I’m talking about actual teaching methods, in the classroom. Not to mention the structures of some of those classrooms.
All as important as the resources and how they are divvied up.
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Hey Rick, excellent point on how our kids should learn. I am reading Seth Godin’s latest rant (his words) on the subject.
It is very US centric and I don’t think it all applies but food for thought nevertheless.
http://www.squidoo.com/stop-stealing-dreams
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@Rick, can you please give us a bit of a breakdown of the Finnish system?
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From my own selfish point of view I would absolutely love those school hours for my kids. Hubby and I have flexible hours so we could manage. I think the kids would be more productive and I’d love the idea of having relaxing afternoons where could fit in more fun times together. My daughter in year 1 starts at 8:30 and finishes at 3:20. Long day.
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I would have no chance if getting my kids to school by 8am. We struggle to get out the door by 8.30.
From what i have experienced over the last year the forced adoption apology will not help a lot of birth mothers. I took part in a lot of online chat groups and the loudest voices amongst the b-mums were saying we don’t want an apology that’s not enough. Others will be happy with it but an apology isn’t going to take away their pain.
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What do they want then? Money? They can’t go back in time!
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I don’t know about school finishing at 1.15. What about the kids whose parents can’t pick them up until 6? Will they really stay at after school care for 5 hours?
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My son starts school at 8:15. Two mornings a week he needs to be there at 7am. He finishes at 3:30. It’s a long, long day when you take into account homework and sport in the afternoon….
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I like the idea of earlier school times for primary schools and later school times for high schools (maybe some of the staff could cover both schools?), but logistically it’s be more difficult to work. Where I live in a country town, a lot of students from the three schools in town (public primary, public high school, Catholic primary) come in by bus. The Catholic kids start and finish 20 minutes before the public kids, so that the same busses can service both schools and the children aren’t waiting outside for busses forever. I’m sure someone clever could figure it out, though.
And now I’m doubting the spelling of “busses”. The more I look at it, the weirder it appears.
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I’m not sure teachers would go for your idea. We’re trained to teach certain year levels, as well.
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I absolutely agree with changing school hours. Especially High school, studies show that kids sleep patterns change as they become teens, that’s why the’re awake till all hours & grumpy/sluggish in mornings. starting high school a couple hours later in the mornings would benefit in so many ways, I’m surprised it hasn’t been done.
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I went to a state high school that has split hours with the junior grades 8-10 starting at 10am and finishing at 4pm and the senior grades 11 and12 starting at 7pm and finishing at 1pm. I found that it worked, especially in grades 11 and 12 when you have the afternoon to study or work.
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Yes, but *some* of the staff may be able to cover both schools. As an example, right now there is an Indonesian teacher who teaches at most the primary and high schools. Same with music. Not saying it’d be a goer for all staff.
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I should have read on before replying – instead of Indonesian, we have Japanese!
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And I’m at work by 7 every day (school day starts at 8) and don’t usually finish before 6 and even then I don’t get everything done that I need to! And then i take more work home. Imagine if when I finished ‘teaching’ the primary schoolers at 2.40 I had to teach secondary aged students as well I wouldn’t have time for sleep or my own family. Then all the good teachers who care to put in the hours will leave the profession. (not saying that the hours I do are normal but that is the perfectionist in me).
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“Where I live in a country town, a lot of students from the three schools in town (public primary, public high school, Catholic primary) come in by bus. The Catholic kids start and finish 20 minutes before the public kids, so that the same busses can service both schools and the children aren’t waiting outside for busses forever. ”
This sounds very familiar Odette – I wonder if we’re in the same town
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Buses are a huge issue. The school I teach at can’t alter our start and finish times at all because of bus availability (or lack thereof). I also wonder who will supervise the kids if school starts and finishes so early – are teachers expected to supervise those kids who can’t go home so early?
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I think changing the school times is a fabulous idea. Especially in summer when it tends to get really hot in the afternoons. I know my kids are a bit grumpy in the afternoons and thats probably because they’re tired. I know some working parents may complain that it would make it too hard to juggle with their work committments so obviously extra after school care arrangements would need to be made available for it to be an option for all families.
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Question: there was a news article about Bob Katter with a flash mob video – did it ever see the light of day?
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I still haven’t been able to find it. We’ve been had!
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I believe there’s a school in Melbourne, it’s a P-12 school I think and they have hours from 7.30-2.30. Will have to find out the name of the school.
In some countries the kids go home for lunch and go in shifts like morning and then afternoon.
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I attended high school overseas. We started at 8.20am every morning and finished at 3.20 every afternoon. It wasn’t too bad. We had 20 minute morning break and 40 minute lunch.
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i went to school in sydney and those were our hours as well…
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My kids start at 8.35 but can be in classrooms at 8.20 so thats when i drop them off, they finish at 3.20 but luckily most days they after school activities at school like tennis, soccer, dance etc. That suits me fine. starting earlier would be too tricky as we struggle to get all 3 on time as it is and they can go to after care but its gotten very expensive since they outsourced it.
My mum lives in Broome, there the kids already start at 8 and finish at 2 because of the heat.
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I work at a school that starts at 8 and finishes 2.30. It seems to really work, yet I would worry when my own child is school age, how I’ll manage…
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On the schooldays- I think it is. Bad idea on a number of fronts. There is research on brains growing so much in teens and them needing more sleep. A number is schools in Scandinavia trialled the opposite ideas- schooldays 11-5 and the the grades went up. Secondly, if you are a working parent, this makes it even harder, so really who is this idea serving?
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I spent a year at school in Scandinavia and we started at 8am and finished at 2.30pm. I remember still nearly 20 years later cycling to the bus stop and home agina in the dark in the middle of winter. I was in High school which there is Yr 10 – 12.
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I definitely think high school hours should be changed – When I was in high school it was nothing unusual for students to complain about being awake until the early hours last night. You’re old enough to make your own way to school by that age too!
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So now they are saying that primary school students work better earlier and we should start the school day at 8am. A few months back the research said that teenagers needed to start school later at about 10am. How about we compromise so that all schools start at about the same time and make it 9am?
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In other news, Davey Jones from the Monkees died suddenly today from a heart attack…I’m a little sad about that
http://pitchfork.com/news/45591-rip-davy-jones-of-the-monkees
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Yeah, just saw that.
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The leader of the original manufactured boy band gone! Do you need a help line like those German girls did when whatshisface quit Backstreet?
In all seriousness, that’s a bit sad.
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Here’s my little fan-boy tribute to Davey: http://kikiandtea.com/2012/03/farewell-daydream-believer/
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Oh no! That’s terrible news. Now if I YouTube The Monkees will Google sell me a locker?
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Oh, no! That made me gasp out loud and wake my sleeping hubby!
I saw the Monkees play in Newcastle in 1988 (sans Mike Nesmith who was off g his Liquid Paper milions).
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Oh no! Sad about Davey. Loved the Monkees when I was a kid.
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Hey Rick, do you think the latest ADF scandal should make your list? It’s another shocker highlighting the shocking sexism and racism culture within the force – http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-29/racism2c-sexism-rife-on-adf-facebook-group/3860736
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Really? There are sexist people in our workforce? Who would have thought!
In all seriousness I hope the offensive people are dealt with appropriately, but i hate the antiADF Lynch Mob which seem to think that its the only place in society you could possibly find sexism and racism.
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It might not be the only place in society that racism exists, but seeing as they go on a lot of missions to places where the dominant race isn’t anglo and are supposedly “helping” these people, I would think this would not be a way to win the minds and hearts of the people. Poor people might not have internet access, but they will know what has been said. For that reason alone I think we should demand a higher level of acceptance (not stupid tolerance!!!) from these people.
Also, people always complain about how other races and ethnicities are not represented in the defence forces, well why the hell would you want to join a workforce where there is a good chance that you may be doing humanitarian missions in a place where people of your race live with the knowledge that sanctioned racists comments would be made???
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I work in a building shared with defence force cadets as well as established soldiers. I can honestly say there is a fair bit of diversity from where I sit. Maybe its not enough in the scheme of things, but its something, and compare that to 10 years ago its getting better.
Maybe consider that the majority of them DO respect/appreciate other cultures. They are after all trying to help people in those cultures, as you say. They wouldnt be putting their lives on the line if they didnt feel that these other people and cultures deserved the protection.
Im not saying give the offenders a pat on the back. Im not saying we should commend them for being bigots. All I was saying is stop with the constant shaming of the defence force. No organisation is perfect. No one can comprehensively screen out bigots/racists/rapists before they have offended. I just hope Defence deal with the offenders appropriately.
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“there is a fair bit of diversity from where I sit”
But how comfortable would non-Anglo defence personnel feel, in an atmosphere which produces that facebook group?
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There is no ‘atomsphere’ which directly correlates to hateful pages. There are plenty of bigots, trolls etc in all walks of life.
The bottom line for me is that just because the page is populated by what appears to be a majority of ex and current ADF, doesnt mean the ADF sanctions the page. The fact that they kept it private means that the people who would need to know about it, obviously didnt know until recently.
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Cait, I can’t reply to your comment below so I’ll have to respond here. I didn’t say the ADF sanctioned the page. My point is that if a young man is a soldier of (for example) Indian background, what is it like for him being in units together with people who hold those attitudes? Do you seriously believe that someone is a bigot on Facebook and not in real life?
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Having been in the ADF with guys and girls from a heap of different backgrounds, sexualities, skin colours, it really isn’t a problem. And if something does happen, it gets sorted straight away. Bigotry isn’t tolerated. Like Cait points out, the idiots in this FB group hid it because they knew they’d get in the shit for it.
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I don’t think this is necessarily about being in an antiADF lynch mob but about acknowledging that sexism and racism exists. Just because it also exists in other workplaces doesn’t mean we should accept it as a part of life; we can still aim to facilitate change where we can and other workplaces should do the same. Perhaps by bringing the issue repeatedly to public attention and showing what steps the ADF are taking to address the problem, other workplaces will also take note.
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You might misunderstand me, or maybe I didnt make myself clear. Im not saying ‘hey leave them alone because they are ADF’.
What i AM saying, is that its not a problem in one part of society. Every time we pinpoint and label, it doesnt help. There is a pretty sizeable target painted on the ADF of late, and I think its counterproductive. I would say the same things if the target was painted on teachers/lawyers/tradies etc.
Setting out against a particular group with a problem that everyone else has solves nothing, and only serves to alienate the good people in that group.
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We were always told to be on best behaviour when out and about, ESPECIALLY in uniform, because any chance to jump on the ADF will be gleefully pounced on. I think these kinds of articles are an example of it.
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I’m conflicted about school times idea. From the child’s needs, sounds great. As part of overall society, sounds like a massive pain in the arse.
3pm finish is difficult enough in a corporate enviornment, I can only imagine the impact to a small business owner with staff requesting flexible work times.
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I agree. It would make my family’s current routine untenable.
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I agree – from a selfish point of view, how would I get anything done during the day!! Makes it pretty difficult to fit around working hours…
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And the evidence on the child’s needs is not that great and certainly not uequivocally supporting such a change.
Who is going to pay for the massive increase in OSHC costs and venue requirements? I think it ends up to children actually spending longer in “care” – whether at proper school of OSHC – with less of it used pleasantly or productively or in the care of adequately trained staff.
Most children I know would rather be with their class teacher than at OSHC. I’d rather they didn’t have to jam all their “serious” schooling into the morning, with little allowance for less focused work.
As it is, many children are not getting enough sleep – many children are actually tired in the morning because they haven’t been put to bed early enough. So 8am is not going to be their most productive time. And the tiredness would be likely to increase as it is unlikely parents would get better at getting their kids to bed.
My daughter’s school moved to an earlier day – lessons from 8.45 – 11am (“the literacy block”), then 11.20 to 1.20. Then a shortened lunch (so teachers don’t have to assist children to work out schoolyard “problems” – i.e. normal development of social skills) then 2-3pm. Even this timing in the afternoon is very bad for working parents, as you said.
As a former Ed student, I’ll say that teachers are particularly bad at validly conducting, interpreting and applying research. They frequently base approaches largely on unsupported ideology, rather than on evidence of what works. Or the evidence is so unscientifically gathered that it’s laughable. I say teachers and school administrators, shouldn’t be given unquestioned higher ground when it comes to making these kinds of societal decisions.
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Yes, fair call. I think most OSHC’s struggle to find decent staff. Our local one seems ok now, but not too long ago the kids were pretty poorly supervised.
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James Paker resigned from CEO to deputy CEO. Wow. He’s copped it big time.
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Or Murdoch, even?
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LOL. I plead a ‘Rick Morton’ on that one.
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Hahahaha!
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There’s a typo in the forced adoption story, I think. Replace “apologied” with “apologised” in the last line?
It’s hard for me to even read about the forced adoption practices that went on, and not so long ago too. So many lives destroyed.
(Edit: What poor form. I just had to fix two typos in my own comment that pointed out a typo. I could blame the iPhone, but was that really the reason? Probably not
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Every morning I read these posts as a way to wake up and catch up on the news of the day. And EVERY morning, someone comments on a typo in the article…. Often without making comment on any issues.
Do we really care that much about a slight typo? Rick obviously knows how to spell/use correct grammar and punctuation, but he’s a human posting an article at 6am!!
I don’t get the race to point out errors?!?
On topic though, I hope they do apologise to the mothers, children, families that these adoptions affected. It was a terrible practice.
8-1 school day? It’s done overseas (or has at least been trialled a lot) but I’m not sure it’s needed here. I thought overseas it was done more so for the use of daylight hours …
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Right. Good morning. Noted.
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Sorry, I had a rough night with a slipped disc and it came out a bit abrupt. It was aimed moreso at anon posts that don’t add to conversation and nitpick on a tiny error.
I hit reply to your post, when I was trying to just reply to the article.
I hope you don’t take offence acanberramun
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No worries – I did, but that was pre-coffee so it hardly counts
thanks for the follow up comment, hope your back feels better soon.
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So I dare not raise the point that the headline “Should kids start school earlier and finish later?” read as “Should kids start school earlier and finish at lunchtime?”
I always take is as a bit of friendly banter. Occasionally an anon does leave a holier than thou comment, but mostly its just a bit of fun.
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No, you should! That’s precisely the kind of brain fuzz that makes me write something doopid that needs to be fixed. Thanks.
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The race to point out errors is because
a) it’s better to point it out so Rick can change it, and
b) they shouldn’t really be there in the first place – that’s what editing is for.
I don’t think you should have a go at Acanberramum for it to be honest as she pointed it out in a very casual way.
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You make out like editing is a foolproof process when it’s just you at 6am. Oh I wish it were so
I think my strike rate is pretty good considering.
I don’t mind if people point them out to me (doesn’t help when they add the snark) but it does bother me when the whole post becomes about a typo. So let’s consider this case closed for the day and talk about the news!
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The question will always be: How far do her legs go up again, Rick?
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Unless we get a prize? First one to point out the typo gets a dictionary?
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I agree Michelle, I once became very upset at an ‘anonomous’ poster for demanding a typo be fixed on a very sad story that already had me feeling very emotional. at least Acanberramum used her real name and didn’t hide behind the ‘anon’ blanket.
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… dare I point out that ‘acanberramum’ is just as anonymous to everyone as ‘anonymous’ – except to the people who know her personally and know the name she posts under?
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True, but I feel like I know some of these people!
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They did school in early and late shifts when I was a kid visiting friends in Malaysia and Indonesia. I always thought it was because of the sheer volume of kids that they split school into morning and arvo sessions. It also meant they weren’t stuck in a classroom in the middle of the day’s heat.
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I think some small typos aren’t important, but if a single word changes the story then it is important to point out. Eg “can’t” instead of “can” may make the sentence confusing. But adding an extra T in a word won’t change the message of the sentence.
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Drives me crazy as well. The occasional obvious one is fine but those people who make a little list of the tiniest mistakes need an intervention.
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Thanks
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