Dr Charlie Teo isn’t a kook. He is the best brain surgeon in the country. He knows the inside of your head like you know the back of your hand. He’s seen the rise in a certain type of brain cancer.
And he’s worried.
Here’s what some of what he wrote on The Punch yesterday:
“There are three undisputed facts about the link between mobile phones and brain tumours. Firstly, the jury is still out. Secondly, the number of mobile phone users is increasing rapidly and currently stands at over five billion worldwide. Thirdly, IF there is a causal link between exposure to non-ionising radiation and brain tumours, then the social and financial consequences would be devastating and on a scale never before witnessed in history.
With over twenty one million mobile phones in use in Australia, why are we not spending the resources on finding the answer? Perhaps the answer is one that all of us would rather not imagine. Could those with a vested interest be misguiding us?
The other, less divisive explanation is that epidemiologists and scientists truly believe that the jury is no longer out and that there is absolutely no link.
But allow me to be blunt for a moment. One of the strongest criticisms of studies that show a link is that they have required the users to rely on their memory and recollect their usage times from years before. How many of us could accurately remember their phone usage? This criticism would be addressed definitively if the telcos would give access to phone usage records – but no telcos have allowed scientists access to their records for these large studies.
I see 10 to 20 new patients each week and at least one third of those patients’ tumours are in the area of the brain around the ear. As a neurosurgeon I cannot ignore this fact and while I may personally believe there is a link between brain tumours and EMR exposure, I need evidence to support it and evidence takes careful planning and funds.”
It’s easy enough to swat away concerns like these as unbridled paranoia from the tinfoil hat brigade. And for a while, that’s what many of us did. And then earlier this year the World Health Organisation did something it had never done before.
It admitted mobile phones were ‘possibly carcinogenic’. That’s an admission that would put mobile phones in the same category as lead, the pesticide DDT and car exhausts. And most of us use one every day.
Last year, Mamamia spoke to international health campaigner Dr Devra Davis about the mobile phone debate. She’s a veteran of Big Tobacco campaigns from an era when tobacco was still cool and definitely not ‘unhealthy’.
Here’s what Dr Davis had to say then:
“Frankly, the risks of not acting on what we know today about mobile phone use are horrifying,” she says. “We know enough to take precautions and we should.”
“To my mind, we are watching an epidemic in slow motion.”
But where’s the evidence that something is amiss?
Dr Davis sets the scene first.
“Let me paint you a picture. When I was having these discussions with scientists and the tobacco companies regarding smoking, all the skeptics demanded of me to ‘show them the bodies’ but of course, we couldn’t. Well, we couldn’t directly and with 100 per cent certainty link them to smoking. We still can’t most of the time, but we now know we were silly to ignore the warnings,” Dr Davis says.
“This is not a simple conspiracy; it is far more complicated.
“Scientists study and love picking arguments with other scientists so that on any given issue there will always, always be legitimate uncertainty as some take different sides.
“But the mobile phone companies are very quick to exploit this and yell ‘the science is uncertain, therefore mobile phones are safe’. If we had acted in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s when we first knew about the hints of problems with tobacco, the incidence of lung cancer and other illnesses in the following decades would have been dramatically lower.
“The same will be said of mobile phone use. We, as a civilised world, didn’t even start using phones en masse until 1998, which means the lag time for cancers and tumours will be 10 to 20 years at least.
“Do you really think we can afford to wait? If we wait 40 years, we are treating our grandchildren as experiments.”
The problem, of course, that there is no link in the evidence. As Dr Teo notes, all the studies that show there might be one were conducted independent of telecommunications companies. All those that show things are fine were wholly or partly funded by the telcos.
Here’s some of the more interesting data:
- Of studies of people who have been heavy cellphone users (defined as someone who has made a half-hour call a day for 10 years), there is a 50 percent increase in brain cancer overall. And among the heaviest users there’s a two- to fourfold increased risk.
- An Australian researcher Dr John Aitken has performed experiments on sperm (replicated by peers around the world) that show sperm live three times longer when not kept near mobile phone radiation.
- Children are more at risk as their brains are not yet encased in myelin, says Dr Davis, which is a fatty barrier that coats neurons and helps dim the impacts of radiation. Their skulls are also thinner.
- Warnings in mobile phone brochures are at odds with the public message that these phones are safe. The iPhone 4 warning, for example, says the phone should be kept at least 15mm from the body at all times. Does anybody?
So, if any of that makes you think twice there’s a few simple things you can do. Keep the phone 5cm away from your body as often as possible, avoid using your phone when the signal is weak or when driving at high speed (as the phone tries harder to pick up a signal), keep switching sides when using the phone and purchase handsets with the lowest SAR ratings.
SAR stands for ‘Specific Absorption Rate’ and is a measure what your body may absorb from an electromagnetic field.
So, are you concerned? How often do you use a mobile phone. What about your children?







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So , im pretty sure the same debate raged on about smoking causing lung cancer, asbestos causing lung disease and eating greasy foods leading to heart disease before we all knew the scientifically proven facts. Of course, people had to die first, and then sue someone else who had to be found guilty for us to believe it..but now most of society shuns smoking as they know what damage it can do. So the question is simple..you want to risk it?
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Hi there,
Can somebody please tell me if a Radiation Shield that goes over the ear piece of a mobile phone is actually beneficial or not?
Thank you…
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I studied enough physics at uni to know that radiation drops off exponentially with distance. Even a few centimetres makes a difference. So…
I mostly text. I very rarely make a call, and if I do, I keep the phone down and away until it’s started ringing – by then, it’s made the connection (not searching), and it’s churning out less power than when it’s looking for the connection. I will not keep the phone in a pocket or bag near my abdomen when pregnant (due any day now, with my second), and at present, believe I will answer any request for a phone with a flat ‘no’ until my children are at least 10.
I also noticed some time ago that the phone for some reason churns out a strong signal just as it’s turning off (and on, for that matter) – to test this, sit it near your clock radio (switched on, at decent volume) at these times, the radio will buzz like nothing else due to the interference – so now, I find ways to walk away from my phone immediately after pushing the on/off button e.g. turn it on, then leave it on my dressing table on the way to the bathroom for my shower. By the time it’s gotten past the start up and is searching for the signal, I’m a few metres away. I’ve also been known to throw it across the room onto my bed after pushing the off button. I’ll pick it up and put it on my bedside table or dresser (switched off) once I’m sure it’s powered down.
One other thing – please don’t keep your phone switched on, on the bedside table, all night, close to your head! If you use it as an alarm, fine – most phone alarms work even if the phone is switched off at the set time, don’t they? Test it at a time when it’s not critical. Even if it’s a good few centimetres away, it’s still there *all* *night*. When else would you not move away from a radiation source at *any* point in a 6-8 hour period?
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I’m shi*tscared of this! I use my phone on speaker mode where possible to avoid it being close to my ear for long periods of time, but I don’t actually know if this makes any difference.
I think the issue is definitely the people and governments and businesses that have a vested interest not only in mobile phones, but in cancer.
There is a school of thought out there that cancer is actually curable, with methods including Vitamin C, juicing and NOT chemotherapy or radiation. I assure you I am not a quack who thinks medicines are bad or that everyone should stop living their 2012 lives, but it’s scary to look at the figures about how much money the cancer industry, if you will, earns western governments in financial return each year.
If anyone has seen the Food Matters doco, you’ll know what I’m talking about. If anyone is curious, I would say definitely check it out. It will definitely make you re-think a lot of things you assume to be right and true.
I swear I’m not crazy! Just adding another angle to the debate….
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Mobile phones worry me. A teacher at my child’s primary school always used to tuck his turned on mobile phone into his sock. He got bone cancer in the bottom of his leg right where the mobile phone use to sit. Of course it could just be a coincidence.
I’m glad that my kids use their mobile phones for texting and very seldom have it up to their ear for a voice call.
I do have a mobile phone but I mainly carry it around in case of an emergency. At home I use a landline.
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Does anyone know if switching to flight mode reduces any risk? I use my phone at night as a light when feeding my baby but switch to FM when I go to bed. Also sounds like it’s unwise to browse the web on a phone while feeding.
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There are 8,400 military papers that prove the link between microwaves (mobile phones and other microwave based technology ie wifi & baby monitors) and cancer. There is an increase in the number of babies with brain tumors because their mothers text message using their pregnant bellies as a table for the phone. I would never use a mobile phone near a baby or child’s head. One of the world’s preeminent physicists stated that a mobile phone should only ever be placed near a child if the child has to make a 000 call in an emergency.
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Can anyone tell me: does a bluetooth headset significantly lower / eliminate the radiation to your brain or does it make no difference? My husband is a heavy mobile phone user. He is on it ALL DAY for work and after reading this article I am petrified. He does use a bluetooth headset a lot because he finds the handset gets hot and/or he needs to use his computer at the same time. I hope this makes a difference :/
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I think about it, but it’s not something that concerns me greatly. Theres not enough solid evidence to prove that this DOES cause brain cancer.
I’m more worried about getting skin cancer from burning in the sun (i’m very fair). There’s plenty of evidence to prove that.
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My mum refuses to use a mobile phone because she believes they cause cancer. I use one and actually don’t even have a land line. Every time my mum calls me she talks really quickly then says “I’m going to hang up now so you don’t get a brain tumour”.
She has been warning me for years not to use my phone too much. I guess it is best to ‘err on the side of caution’ (?) with things like this.
Does anyone else also get splitting headaches when they talk on their phone for too long?
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I use my mobile a lot. It’s my alarm clock, timer and GPS as well as mobile.
That said I use speaker phone or text and sleep with away from my head (arms length) and charge it up in the lounge room. My older kids didn’t get one until 15 and my younger ones need to be teenagers before they get one too.
I also use the cordless on speaker phone too. I’m partly deaf in my right ear as a result of brain surgery anyway, so I don’t hear if I hold it up to that ear. I have to admit, it used to freak me how hot the mobile got when I’d been talking a while.
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i might be imagining it, but my head feel better, less numb and clearer when i use my headphones whilst talking on the phone, than when i can’t be bothered.
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A little bit.
It’s not something that consumes my every thought but I do worry about it at times. I didn’t always but someone very dear to me died of a brain tumour and she was absolutely convinced that it was from mobile phones. Anecdotal, yes, of course. But I still use my phone on hands-free whenever I can.
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We discuss in my office how often people get extremely worried about mobile phones and brain cancer – where the risk is unknown.
Yet the same people ignore known risks – e.g. alcohol is a KNOWN carcinogen with a much stronger evidence base than mobile phones, yet this does not give people the same pause that half-way-there articles like this one do.
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Good point, so is obesity.
Now I’ll just hide in case anyone gets angry…
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I agree
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Meat is also a known cancer cause. I mean, most of us only sort of put it on our insides several times a day, right?
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I’m disappointed by this article. Mamamia uses science to promote it’s pro-vaccination stance (which I completely agree with), but ignores science when looking at the mobile phone/cancer link.
Charlie Teo is not objectively ‘the best brain surgeon’ in Australia (in fact I challenge you to find anyone working in neuroscience that agrees with that statement) – he’s just good at self-promotion. I really don’t care about his anecdotes. Multiple anecdotes do not equal data, and eminence based medicine is no substitute for evidence based medicine. Charlie Teo sees many patients with ‘tumours around the ear’ because acoustic neuromas and meningiomas around the cerebellopontine angle are common – and they were just as common before mobile phones.
If anyone is interested in this beyond the scaremongering ‘today tonight’ level complete with celebrity doctor, then I would direct them to a pubmed search on the topic. An article of interest is here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22403263
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Not even Dr Teo says there is enough evidence to make the link. We agree with him. He wants more studies. We agree with him. Where’s the harm in being cautious when being cautious doesn’t result in a contagious disease epidemic like it does in the anti-vax world?
Even the WHO is cautious. Again, what’s to lose from asking for more, better scoped studies?
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There is no doubt that data will be collected over the coming decades and this should be done. That said though, the science thus far does not support a link and this should be acknowledged. Articles like this promote celebrity seeking doctors and are ignoring the medical evidence. Indeed, the anti-vaxers also claim ‘not enough evidence’ and want more research. One gets the impression that they want more research until they get the result they want. Another point to consider – mobile phone use is almost ubiquitous. When compared to a non mobile phone using control group (ie the past) there should be a clear difference between groups if there was a significant carcinogenic effect. This is obviously not the case.
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I mentioned further down about what would seem to be a plausible lag time between ubiquitous phone use (as Davis said, not really since late 90s) and time taken for negative effects. In any case, I’m not a scientist and I’ll wait with interest. You sound like you have a personal problem with Dr Teo which is fine enough, but I know the medical community see him as somewhat of a ‘maverick’ in terms of the surgery he does. Still, the proof is in the lives he’s saved and the surgeries he’s done successfully that others wouldn’t.
In the meantime you might like to re-read this line in my article: “The problem, of course, that there is no link in the evidence.”
So it seems we agree! We wait for more studies.
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‘no link in the evidence’ is not a problem, it refutes the link obviously. Would you publish a similar article on vaccines?
I don’t have a personal problem with Dr Teo. I, like many other medical professionals have seen the damage that futile operations cause. Especially when they are paid for by the patient and outside of a trial basis. There is a difference between maverick and dangerous. Sometimes doing nothing is the best thing, though the lay public don’t seem to understand this.
In any case, I hope you’ll follow this up with articles on climate sceptics, anti vacc viewpoints and homeopathy for cancer. Maybe Today Tonight could do a piece on all these conspiracies?
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Maybe they will
Have a nice night.
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‘…have seen the damage that futile operations cause. Especially when they are paid for by the patient and outside of a trial basis’. Until, KateA, it’s in your head. Or the head of the one you love. And then you couldn’t give two hoots if it might be ‘futile’ or ‘outside of a trial basis’. And that’s why people love Charlie Teo, because he understands this and the medical profession don’t.
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Actually B, your examples would make no difference. If a patient has an invasive primary brain tumour an operation may cause pain and suffering from the craniotomy itself, worsen the neurological deficit, make no difference to or shorten life expectancy or directly and immediately kill the patient from operative complications. On top of this, private procedures may cost the patient tens of thousands of dollars with no gain in function or life. A measured and compassionate surgeon will not subject the patient to this if the procedure is not likely to give net benefit.
As I said before, part of the art of medicine is knowing when to do nothing (nothing interventional anyway). This is far harder than rushing in to treat. Doctors are good people in general – they want to help. Sadly, the nuances of good medicine are often lost, and the doctors who shout loudest, belittle their colleagues and go on TV are hailed as heroes without any critical analysis of their actions.
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Kinda like you’re belittling him without directly mentioning his name hey?
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We wish with every ounce of our beings that we had heard of Dr Teo when my father in law was diagnosed with a malignant brain tumour.
When you’ve got a cancer with a 2% survival rate, you’re willing to give ANYTHING a chance.
It’s medical professionals like you KateA (I’m assuming you are) that hold back and would rather do nothing that really irk me. Even if it’s only buying a bit more time, every minute counts with a death sentence!
Even Dr Chris O’Brien turned to Dr Charlie Teo in his moment of need! That speaks volumes in my opinion!!!!
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Charlie Teo has assessed my beautiful brother who has a benign brain tumor. Teo did not race in; in fact he did not perform surgery on my brother because the cost outweighed the benefit. I think (& I’m in the medical community also) your whole perception changes when it’s your brain that has a tumour in it, or the brain of someone you love. Calling a last chance at treatment ‘futile’ is not a word I’d ever use, especially when it’s that’s person’s life – not yours.
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There are 8,400 military papers that prove the link between microwave technology (inc mobile phones which operate on a particular band of the microwave spectrum) and cancer. It has indeed been proven many, many times over as it has been used as a weapon of war (to induce cancer) by several countries since the 1950′s. Some of these research papers have been declassified and are available to read. Would that be enough proof for you? Sadly, probably not.
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The “at least one third around the ear” got me too. So one third at the front of the brain and a third at the back too?
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Have to agree with the comment about dr teo being the best in Australia, who decided that? I would like to read a piece with comments from other brain surgeons on this topic and maybe what the long term effects of concussion in sport are would be interesting too.
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Oh please.
Dr Teo is a great doctor. His patients love him.
It was not a scientifically proven statement.
Just the writer using language to emphasize a point.
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Kate I totally agree and was thinking the exact same thing when I read this article….and I also agree with Rick too that what’s to lose from asking for more, better scoped studies in mobiles but why cant Rick make the same comment about vaccinations…I feel like vaccinations (and I am not against them) have become a politically correct football….god forbid there are people out there who are not convinced and would like ‘better scoped studies’..
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KateA has some valid comments. I was in the unfortunate position of having to decide on massive brain surgery for a huge tumour discovered in my 20mth old son. By decide I mean having to give consent within a day or two of learning of the tumour. I have nothing against Dr Teo. It’s just hard because he has such a high profile that as soon as we found my son’s tumour, everyone we know said we should take him to Dr Teo – as if we wouldn’t be doing the best by him if we didn’t.
In the end we discussed it very frankly with our propsed paediatric neurosurgeon – who was wonderful and more than happy to answer all our questions. And we went ahead – without Dr Teo. And we had a brilliant result and a very special place in our heart for this talented and dedicated professional. So I guess what I am saying is that there are other very talented surgeons out there too, you just don’t hear about them unless you need them!!
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have a friend who carried his mobile in his pocket for years – developed a cancerous tumor on his leg where the phone usually rested. Been in remission for years, but needless to say – no longer keeps mobile close to body – and his doctor sure did NOT dismiss the link.
despite knowing this, i still use my mobile although definitely not a “heavy” user…but i need to be better and only use it with an headset thingy
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I don’t know about this. When ever anyone says “The science isn’t there, but my own personal experiences leads me to believe there is a connection and I suspect the lack of a proven connection is all a cover up” sounds awfully like the anti-vax crowd to me. Put that sentence in Meryl Dorey’s mouth and tell me I’m wrong.
For starters, so it shares the list with lead. So what?
Lead kills via poisoning (the science on lead poisoning is… what’s the word… validated? proven? real?) so people have a negative view of the substance – but it isn’t proven to cause cancer. That’s cheap theatrics to suggest there is the same level of danger from mobile phones as lead. If the phone was made out of lead, you’d be already dead or perhaps just insane – but you wouldn’t have cancer.
The big tobacco comparison isn’t valid either – the science was there early on as tobacco was identified as a carcinogenic in the 1930s (not as a potential carcinogenic). It wasn’t like the IARC added tobacco to classification 2B (where mobiles sit) and sat on it until 1970.
No one is lying here. People are looking really, really hard for a connection, but can’t find it.
The WHO rating is always errs on the side of caution. Besides your examples, pickled vegetables are listed as the same category as mobile phones. (Meat, BTW is a known cancer causer, how often do you eat that?)
How can I dismiss anti-vax crowds as tin-foil anti-science haters with their own science expert Dr Wakefield, yet jump on board the phone-cancer brigade with Dr Teo?
Keep calm and carry on, I say.
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I tend to agree with you. I’ll admit there’s something about mobile phones that doesn’t sit right with me, but then again, I’ve hardly been moved by the evidence to change my way of life which is: phone strapped almost permanently to ear, hands of near crotchal region.
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Exactly. I respect Teo’s personal opinion, but it doesn’t make for science.
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But doesn’t he actually say that there is no evidence to back up his personal opinions and that research needs to be done?
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He goes further than that. He says “Could those with a vested interest be misguiding us?”
This is the classic fallback of anyone who doesn’t like the results of studies. It the opposite of science.
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I forgot to add that heavy users should definitely invest in hands free kits, as per the studies on heavy users increased risk.
Until the science is confirmed either way (it should be settled by 2020, because that’s what Teo and others are saying) minor behaviour adjustments seem reasonable enough.
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Rick – I wonder how Dr Teo feels about WiFi signals which are now absolutely everywhere?
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Good question … are they similar signals to mobile phones? I’m the wrong guy to ask!
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Wifi – you mean radio signals? They’ve been used in one form or another for about 80 years? Cell phone coverage for 4G will occupy the same bandwidth as old analogue TV.
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Teo operated on my mate’s mum and apparently he is wary of any electronic devices, like clock radios, too near the bed due to the electro-magnetic radiation…more and more WiFi signals mean we are bathed in radiation all day every day. I walk down the footpath and my iPhone asks me if I want to connect with the WiFi of the shop I’m passing…through the door and wall! Nothing we can do about that i suppose, but keeping the phone away from our body makes sense…
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WiFi, mobile phone, microwaves, bluetooth etc all operate on specific frequencies of the microwave spectrum. WiFi is not radio signals. As 8,400 military research papers have proven, the particular range within the microwave spectrum that our gadgets operate on, is hazardous to humans particularly babies, children, elderly and pregnant women. Maybe you should read some of these numerous declassified papers and get your facts straight before you bag Teo and claim to be a science boffin
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I really hate to bust up your argument with, you know, actual science but wifi operates within the radio spectrum, not the microwave spectrum.
Here’s a nice article prepared earlier by those seeking to cover up the truth (or however you will classify this after reading it)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum
Also, I’m a science boffin specifically because I DON’T go looking for ’8,400 military research papers’ on the interwebz.
Your entire comment is pure conspiracy poppycock – first, get a fact wrong but sound like you are right, then refer to an impressive sounding large number of [insert mysterious organisation here] papers.
As Mia says “On one hand there’s science. There is no other hand”
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Because cell phones are held next to the head, they actually give a much more concentrated dose of microwave radiation than any wifi set up. Proximity and all that.
The absorbed radiation dose from a typical wifi setup is less than 1% of the exposure from a cell phone. If a significant biological effect from cell phone radiation is highly implausible, a significant biological effect from the radio waves of wifi is arguably approaching homeopathy-level implausibility.
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The links between cancer and microwave radiation from WiFi, mobile phones etc are well understood and documented by the various military researchers around the world. WiFi is now being pulled out of schools across Europe and Asia due to the many problems the children are experiencing with their health. It is only the know-it-all, uninformed trendies that come up with bizarre claims such as yours. Oh and by the way WiFi is not ‘radio waves’ but a frequency on the microwave spectrum.
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BTW – wrong.
Know-it-all, uninformed? Hold up a mirror.
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Husband gets criticised for putting his iPhone on the table whenever he sits down (restaurants, someone’s house, anywhere) because people assume he’s doing it so he can check it or something.
But whenever asked he always says “The further away from my testicles I can have it, the better!!”
I want one of those phone attachments mentioned below and seen previously in Open Posts used by Mia, my only concern is having to carry it everywhere with me, does anyone find that to be an issue?
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I’m definitely worried. My partner is well beyond what would be classified as a “heavy” user – he is on his phone CONSTANTLY for work, well over half an hour of continuous use a day. He’s also had brain tumours removed from the area of his brain around his ear. Thank God he survived (he was given three months to live, and pulled through. That was eight years ago), but I do fret and stress about why he keeps using it so compulsively. As a business owner, obviously he feels that he needs to be in contact with various jobs and projects all the time. We’ve done some research and at this point, he doesn’t feel like there is a strong enough causal link.
But I. AM. TERRIFIED.
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You can buy the iphone cases that divert the radioactive waves away from the brain/skill for relatively cheap nowadays. Maybe worth it for a bit of piece of mind?
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I do worry about this. If I use my mobile phone a lot, I feel a general ‘buzzing’ in my head that is unpleasant and makes me feel tense, tired and yuck. I know that sounds weird, but as someone with autoimmune issues all I can say is that we are the canary in the mineshaft when it comes to this stuff – BEWARE.
I try to always use headphones and to text instead of call.
The constant use of phones on trains concerns me as even if I leave mine alone there is always at least one other person talking on or using their phone. All that radiation bouncing around the carriage cannot be good for any of us.
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My husband was diagnosed with a malignant brain tumour last year which due to location and size will ultimately be terminal although hopefully not for a long time.
We don’t believe his tumour was caused by his mobile usage – it would appear that his tumour may have been there for over 15 years before diagnosis ie when he was a teenager and did not have a mobile phone.
I agree that yes there definitely needs to be research into the link between mobiles and brain cancer but there are over 120 different types of brain tumour and it is simplistic for the media to imply that mobiles are the sole reason for the increase in all types of brain tumours.
There needs to be an increase in funding for research into all reasons for the increase in brain tumours and not just the focus on mobiles. For instance some research indicates that people in certain occupations have an increase in risk. This needs to be further studied as well.
We take precautions such as not charging our phone on our bedside table at night next to our head, using text rather than making calls etc but the reality is that we are not going to give up our mobiles and I doubt many other people would too.
The research may take years to complete so there needs to be more low cost products available now to protect us from the potential risk and more requirement for mobile phone makers to provide a safer product.
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I hope your husband is ok. My dear friend from high school (we’re in our late 30′s now) has recurring brain tumours – they keep lasering them and cutting them out, and they will keep growing back.
It’s so unfair. And sucks big time. Hugs x
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I am so sorry to hear of your husband’s illness. **big hugs to you**
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Timely post. I was diagnosed with Acoustic Neuroma last month and am seeing the specialist on Thursday… counting down the sleeps for that one! AN is a benign brain tumour that attaches itself to the nerve endings in your ear canal – primarily the facial nerve, balance and one other who I can’t recall! Its a slow growing tumour that can/will eventually put pressure on your brain stem. Noice!!! Mine is only small but apparently must come out – yikes! Now that is a very scary thought. Drills, bone and time in ICU – lordy be that scares me. Anyway, the ENT made a point of saying that this wasnt caused by mobile phone use – but then he was quite dissmissive and off hand (bedside manner NOT). I am going to ask the specialist as I have had a couple of phones in the last few years that got very hot and were always that way right from when I bought them. Am going to get a hand held thingy to attach to the mobile for future use. And insist that all the gadgets we have are charged elsewhere than in the bedroom – we do have a spare room so that will be their new home. I mean we have some major gadgets going on in our house – his tablet, my kindle, two mobile phones – all being charged up in our bedroom. Timely post. If I learn anything different I will let you know. Onwards and upwards.
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SK, surgery is scary. See if you can talk to someone who has been through brain surgery recently (preferably someone with a positive story). They might be able to answer some of your questions. My only suggestion, having been through is with my husband, is to keep on top of your pain relief. There are no medals for doing it tough. Take the pain relief they offer you before you start to feel sore. And when your body says stop, then stop and rest. And good luck
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Thank you BecauseIamtheMum – that’s good advice. I probably wouldn’t have thought about that until it was too late! I hope your husband is ok now. Thanks again.
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Every good wish in my body goes out to you, SK. The fact that it is benign is a good thing, but even so, surgery is daunting. Seek whatever help you need for getting through it, and stay strong. xo
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I had a craniotomy (laparoscopic) nearly 5 months ago. It was my 2nd and Dr Teo was the one who did the 2nd op that got it all out. The 1st was an open craniotomy. I had a posterior fossa meningioma (also benign) which grows off the meninges. The man in the bed next to me in December had an AN and we chatted quite a bit after our respective ops.
I don’t really wish to go into detail here, but if you visit my blog, we can connect there.
It’s faybianlifeothercatastrophes.blogspot.com
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Hi Faybian, I have found your blog and will email from home tonight.. thanks. I would love to hear your story.
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I’ve put up my Facebook address for you too.
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This does worry me. I make sure our phones are turned off at night and are kept well away from our bedrooms. We use old fashioned alarm clocks rather than the alarms on our phones. I try to sms and encourage my kids to as well rather than talk on the mobile. If they want to talk the rule is they have to use the landline. If my mobile rings at home I let it go to voicemail and return the call from the landline.
When I was little we lived near TV towers and there was a cancer cluster in my suburb. I dont think it was ever proved that the TV towers were to blame, but much like this debate there were strong opposing views. I have read the frequency was changed so apparently its safe to live there now, but I’m still suspicious.
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I believe cordless phones on landlines can also be very dangerous, especially the longer range cordless phones.
I’m considering getting an old corded phone again. Also means less time looking for the phone when it’s not put back on its charger!
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My younger brother has a brain tumor (benign) & while they believe it was caused by my mother having amniocentesis it wrecked haovic with our lives. It’s too risky to have it taken out & isn’t growning/moving/changing. Thank goodness for neuroplasticity.
HOWEVER his neurosurgical consult was Dr Teo (who I think is absolutely brilliant). Dr Teo told my mum that we should always use phones on headphones or speaker. Never keep them in pockets or bras. He said he wouldn’t give his phone to a child to use, & he rarely uses it himself.
My mobile is my only way of contact. I don’t have a landline but I very rarely keep the phone to my face. I’ve started sleeping with it on flight mode & I keep the phone in the pocket of my bag farthest away from my body. Why? Because it’s not worth the risk.
This is something we need to take really, really seriously. A brain tumour is no fun. Having lived with someone who has one which impacts a lot of his life, I can assure you; it’s not a picnic for you or the rest of your family & the prospect of brain surgery is very frightening.
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Um…slightly freaking out…what’s the link between amniocentesis and brain tumours??
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Nearly 20 years ago it was quite high & quite a few kids ended up with the tumours. Now they’ve modified the procedure & it is less risky. However, it is not without risk to both mother & foetus. I hope that helps a little?
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Where does everyone charge their phones? I’ve been charging it on my bedside table right next to my head as I sleep every single night. Shit. *Panicking!*
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Yep me too, right next to my head…I think I might have to change that from tonight!!
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I keep it on my bedside table but as far away from possible from my bed and I also sleep on the opposite side of the bed so I’m about a metre away from it.. I think that’s okay as long as it’s not right next to you!!
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I am concerned about this but if you look into the prevalence of brain tumours in comparison with the usage of phones, there has been a phenomenal increase on the use of mobile phones in the last 20 years but there hasn’t been the same increase of brain tumours. I think there is a connection but not sure it isn’t for those already vulnerable in some way, as if it was the only cause then there would be way more cases. Definitely think there needs to be more research.
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I’m actually reluctant to be that evangelical about this (I always have my phone with me … always) and don’t really read too much into the studies as they stand now, but the way Devra explained it to me – which makes perfect sense – is that there would be a lag time between the sudden rise of mobile phone use and the increase in brain cancers, given that it would surely be prolonged and sustained use that causes complications.
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I don’t use my mobile very much (because I can’t be bothered to carry it with me and I’m not really a chat on the phone kind of person) – but I’ve noticed something over the years…
If I ever have a lengthy phone conversation my inner ear starts to ache. Really ache – so much so, that I need to keep swapping the phone from ear to ear. It only ever happens on a mobile, and it’s not my imagination or paranoia, it’s just annoying and irritating to need to keep changing sides.
I’ve mentioned this to a couple of people and only ever received blank stares. I’m curious, has anyone else experienced this?
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I also don’t use my mobile for prolonged conversations very often, but when I have I’ve noticed that my ear seems to get hot.
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I work in a call centre – (with headphones). I have sensitive hearing and often my ears are a bit sore by the end of the day (they also are sore when people talk too loudly on the tram…) – so it is not to do with the radiation I assure you. That is not at all possible (the radiation is not strong enough to cause such an immediate and strong effect). More to do with the sound waves.
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Thanks for your input call consultant – like Sara, my ear also starts to feel hot after too long. Why is this?
I admit I have sensitive inner ears (feeling intense pain if freezing wind is blowing). But why do I only ever have ear ache while using mobile for extended periods – and never the landline?
And why does it only ever happen on a mobile – never, ever a landline?
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Anonymous – my first guess would be because mobile phones heat up with use more than the landline phone which is generally larger and made of different material. (and if you are using a cordless it is also communicating through radiation so I’m not sure why you would not be worried about that also)
Your ear likely heats up from both conduction and radiation of the heat (why does no-one worry when they sit in front of a fire and heat up from all the rampant escaping radiation!!)
Remember everything in the electromagnet spectrum is made of of ‘radiation’ ; increasing in frequency from radio-waves, to microwaves, to infra-red to visible light to ultraviolet to xrays and then on to gamma rays.
Generally the degree of danger to cellular life occurs by the intensity of the radiation which increases with frequency (shorter wavelength). This is why x-rays and ultraviolet radiation are such a worry.
The real danger for cancer is for ionising radiation which is much higher up the electromagnetic spectrum than mobile phone ‘radiation’ which is in the infra-red region. (lower in radiative energy than what is emitted by your light bulb at home).
I’ve also met many people that are afraid of the ill-health effect of micro-waving their food. However microwaves which are generally centimeters long, heat food (which always has a significant water component) by virtue of the fact they are of similar energy to the differences in the vibrational and rotatational energy levels of the water (i.e. it causes the water molecules in the food to ‘vibrate’ a bit more and these molecules knock against the rest of the molecules in the food – thus heating it)
The energy that is used in mobile phone transmission is much lower than that for which humans are exposed to in their everyday life (for example by sitting in the sun) although perhaps more concentrated.
As I also mentioned I regularly have sore ears by noise in headphones and (non-radiative noise) – so for you it could be a combination of the heat from the mobile phone and the vibrational irritation of your ears from the sound waves.
Whilst it is possible that the concentration of low-energy infra-red radiation for long periods of time in one area may have some effect on cellular integrity (and thus a slight possible carcinogen) – I personally doubt that your ear is hurting from radiation of the transmission of the signal to the mobile phone alone (rather than the conduction and radiation of secondary heat generated from using the phone) – I could be wrong but I highly doubt the energy of the radiation is high enough to cause short term ‘pain’.
I’ve had plenty of xrays which may have caused damage on a cellular level but they certainly didn’t hurt!
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I’ve been talking to my daughter about not keeping her phone in her pocket, right next to her ovaries…. call me tin foil hat wearer, but I wonder about the future effects on fertility if every teenage girl keeps her phone in her pocket.
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I was told off by a rude lady on my tram this afternoon for having my mobile phone in my pocket. In front the entire tram she told me that it would damage my ovaries and that I shouldn’t do it. Having a strange lady tell me off for what I was “potentially” doing to my ovaries in a public space was extremely embarrassing and obnoxious. I’m not saying that it was you, but I don’t think it was a huge coincidence that it was said to me on the same day this article was published. Looking back I wish had said the following:
A: I am legally an adult, my body (ovaries included) are mine to do with what I wish, they are absolutely none of your beeswax.
B: I have read enough evidence to not believe the scaremongering. That is my opinion and I’m entitled to it.
C: If you said that to a young child you would be deemed highly inappropriate.
D: Would you go out of your way to harass a smoker several metres away from you?
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She was concerned about you. Perhaps the best response would have been a polite “I’m sure my ovaries will be ok”
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This is frightening – thanks for posting, will definitely be more careful about my phone usage.
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Cripes. I wasn’t worried before but I am now!
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Argh! So scary! .I use my mobile VERY heavily. It is with me always and I spend at least 2 hours a day talking on it! I have been trying to use speakerphone if possible but I’m concerned! Will have to look into this further..
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What about hand cancer? I spend much more time using mine for Internet and texting, and have done for years.
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I was thinking the same thing. Its either in my hand or my pocket. Hip and hand cancer??
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I’ve been wondering about this two. I hold my phone for hours a day and get weird aches and tingles in my hand now…
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What about iPods and other electronic devices? Has there been research into the dangers they might pose to our health?
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I imagine that iPods without internet connectivity would be fine .. iPads working off 3G however would be much the same as the phones I’d imagine?
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Hugely concerned.
I think phones are like cigarettes used to be and at some point in the near future people will say “how could we not have KNOWN that”…..
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Just found this deal on spreets which gives you a $60 voucher for $29 to spend at cellsafe… http://spreets.com.au/deal/Sydney/product/22621/radiation-reducing-cases-for-mobile-phones-get-the-ultimate-protection-get-60-to-spend-on-protective-goods-from-cellsafe-for-just-29
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I do think as a society we should be thinking about these links, but we also need to be a bit sane as well.
I for one do not think that my brain tumour (around the ear region) has been caused by mobile phones. I have hardly ever used one. I still have a dumbphone. Even when I was working I used a headset all the time.
I do however think that there is a progesterone/oestrogen link which is troubling me more (and when I am a bit stronger I will be taking steps to look into the risk of breast cancer too).
But definitlely we should be taking steps to reduce our exposure to things with a potential carcinogenic effect, without going so crazy we want to hide away in a bubble. Alot of these things do increase risk but only by a few percent. For alot of people, that is the tipping point, but for others it won’t be. Control what you can control.
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This is something I’ve thought about in the past but not done anything about it yet. You’ve prompted me to buy some headsets and cases that help to block radiation from the phones. This is the website I heard an ad for recently and have just ordered some for my husband and I: http://www.cellsafe.com.au. Has anyone used something like this?
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Yes, I bought cases for myself and my husband around a year ago, from pongresearch.com (approved by the world health organisation). I think if there is any doubt at all, we should definitely be proactive.
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My husband had a brain tumour removed from his right frontal lobe late last year. And while no one will say it was caused by his use of a mobile phone, no one will say it definately wasn’t caused by the mobile phone. He is in sales and spends what feels like 12 hours a day/5 days a week with that phone glued to his ear. Unfortunately, it’s his sales job that keeps a roof over our heads so he can’t get rid of the phone that easily. But one of the first things he did when he left hospital was to buy an earpiece to go with his mobile phone. And he doesn’t carry it in his pocket, he carries it in his hand.
While it would be nice to have something to blame for his brain tumour, sometimes these things just happen. I just don’t know if mobile phones cause brain tumours, but I wish I did.
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I’ve started using one of these.
I worry about my niece who keeps her phone in her bra the whole time.
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Me too!
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Is that thing for real? Where do you get it?
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Yup it’s real, I got my mum one last Xmas because she doesn’t like how the phone makes her ear hot
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Yes they are. You can get them everywhere now. I bought mine at Urban Attitude in Melbourne but if you just search for retro handsets on ebay you can find them for around $15. Apparently they eliminate 99% of phone radiation.
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Pinklily do one in a few diff colours
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Makes me feel a bit ill actually.
I try to turn my iphone to flight mode when letting the kids play on it (reality is that i only do it 50% of the time, as the times i let them play is usually a desperate measure to silence them whilst I am on home phone/trying to talk to shop assistant etc)
My husband and I re-organised our rooms last year so we didin’t have them charging on the bedside tables at night – they are now on a table in the corner of the room.
But I do carry my phone in my pocket a lot.
Thank god I’m not working in sales anymore – I used to be on the phone for hours a day……
It’s a disgrace that money hasn’t been allocated to properly investigate this.
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How can you keep the iPhone 15mm from your body at all times if you need to use the keypad?
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Um, quite easily unless you’re really really blind??
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Emm it’s says from your body, not your face
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Lol oops. I did wonder.
Even so, are your arms, hands and fingers considered to be “your body”?
Perhaps they mean torso/chest/abdomen?
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But it is still touching your hands because you need to hold it?!
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Why would the manufacturer of a product recommend you not touch it?
Body obviously doesn’t mean your hands in this instance.
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I assumed they mean what you have just said!
The literal reading and interpretation of the recommendation is very bizarre though.
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It’s one of those dumb fine print statements made to cover there asses if evidence does come to light that their handset has caused cancer in anyone.
If someone tries to sue them for causing a tumour, or negligence whatever, having that statement will protect them.
Doesn’t give us all much hope though does it? Few people would honestly can keep their iPhone 15mm away from their body at all times!
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