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Screen shot 2011 12 07 at 11.08.58 AM 380x510 UPDATED: The woman behind the campaign to sack Kyle Sandilands

Emily Hehir

UPDATE: Kyle Sandilands released an “open letter” to the media on Friday afternoon in which he said he had reacted “badly” to criticism of his Channel Seven TV special by news.com.au.

“I took my remarks too far and for that – and the offence caused to [journalist] Alison Stephenson and those exposed to my comments – I sincerely apologise,” he said.

“I regret the impact this has had on our clients and our hard-working staff, who have had to weather a storm of criticism in the media and on social networks.”

You can read more here.

As radio network Austereo surveys its own listeners about their thoughts on Kyle Sandilands, and as the show broadcast yet another tasteless rant about ‘killing a tranny’ from a listener, the woman who started the petition to boycott Kyle Sandilands has this to say:

Everything I have learned about being a successful woman I have learned from the media. As a girl forging an identity in this world, hoping to be approved and loved, I looked to strong narratives of women in our mainstream media for inspiration.

From Ship to Shore, to Dolly magazine, to the way the local newspaper wanted to style my photo when I was successful in my V.C.E, the media has taught me there is a space to be successful as a woman in our society.

Of course, it is a very specific space. Strong, but soft. Engaging, but not too serious. Intelligent but witty. Ambitious but not overbearing. Sexy but not slutty. Confident but not a bitch. Funny but not silly. Gorgeous but can hang with the guys. Thin, but fit.

Thin.

Above all, thin.

It is easy to learn how to become this girl: just look around! Stories of her and her success are everywhere, in the narrow narratives of women and the way their worth and successes are measured. The media have low tolerance of any woman who is not her, and so she dominates. Unless you embody this generated stereotype of success then around every corner is a reminder that: “You are not good enough”. In my experience, there is so much proof it cripples even the brightest and strongest of young women.

This week I also learned some crucial lessons from our media about how not to be a successful woman.

I learned a successful woman certainly doesn’t pass a judgement or express an opinion about a man. If she did, like journalist Ali Stephenson, she might end up being called a ‘fat, bitter thing’ or a ‘little troll’ by someone like Kyle Sandilands.

Much easier, isn’t it, for a women to stay inside that safe little space, where she can’t be targeted and hunted down? Easier to strive to be the type of ‘successful woman’ who will simply giggle, like Jackie O? Then at least she can be content that by striving to be palatable to us all, she is not vulnerable to criticism and rejection.

But Kyle and Jackie are just one slice of a much larger media machine that constructs for us the collective notion of “the successful woman”. And it would be a shame if the furore about Sandilands distracted us from the bigger issue of the impact of narrow representations of women in the media, particularly on younger generations.

So how do we begin to expand our understanding of a successful woman, and silence intolerance of anything other than ‘thin and pretty’?

We must make it clear to companies who promote and associate with these archaic attitudes that we won’t stand for it. This week I joined with over 26,000 others, calling on advertisers to boycott the Kyle and Jackie O show as long as it provided a platform for bullying, abuse and misogyny. The extraordinary public reaction to the petition I created – and the ensuing exodus of advertisers – shows that it will be harder and harder for brands to get away with perpetuating the lowest common denominator.

We must also start conversations that promote the infinite ways of being a “success” – and there are so many ways to create and promote these authentic narratives that don’t rely on stereotypes. We can start by encouraging compassion: towards ourselves and each other. We are so indoctrinated into criticising women that it is almost subconscious. Foster the beauty of diversity, nuance and imperfection in whatever way you can. The more it is honoured the more legitimacy it will have in our society.

We must also challenge the mainstream media to do better. Show us women who are courageous or smart, and not just as the subplot to their physical beauty. We have a responsibility to demand more from the media – if not for ourselves then for the younger women watching and listening – and challenge the attitudes that underpin the content on our airwaves. Attitudes that lead to a man thinking it is legitimate to pass judgment on national radio on the worth of a woman’s opinion based on her ‘titty’.

It’s unlikely Kyle Sandilands will ever truly change – whether he has an audience or not, he will probably continue to believe that he has the right to denigrate any woman that falls outside the pretty, skinny and submissive caricature.

The real opportunity is to raise the standards of the media as a whole.

If that happens, it might be possible to create the space for our own version of success – a space where our daughters have the mental and spiritual energy and capacity to live into their true potential, free from the stereotyped straightjacket the mainstream media tries to force them into.

Where do we go from here? How do you change the media?

Emily Hehir is a Melbourne law graduate and organiser of TEDxParkvilleWomen, an independently organised TED event. She was the creator of a petition on Change.org that more than 27,000 people have signed calling for an advertising boycott of the Kyle and Jackie O Show.

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    Billie-jean

    I don’t worry too much about what Kyle says. Sure he gets carried away & makes mistakes sometimes but he’s always man enough to admit it & apologise. In fact, he makes me laugh EVERY DAY & if he can do that, in this sad, unsustainable & cruel world, then he gets my vote of confidence. Don’t change, Kyle!

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    Bel

    Well done Emily. A huge congratulations for putting sponsors of this vile radio show under pressure. Finally Holden have withdrawn their support and even though they reacted slowly the right decision of public ally announcing their future support was a good outcome.. As a mother, woman abd public figure she has a lot to answer for and is just as vile as Mr Sandilands, the radio station who hasn’t fired them both, the companies sponsoring anything to do with either of them and their supporters who have remained loyal to these pathetic people. Well done Holden.

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    Lee

    What you’re doing is so great! I think a big problem is the total lack of diversity of women depicted in the media. That some are thin and looks obsessed and their whole lives revolve around men in some capacity is not a problem.

    That ALL are this way is the problem. One size fits all. And any women who do not fit into this image are usually not seen. But what’s worse is that when they are seen they are often hated, vilified, attacked. They are miserable loses that bad things happen to. Or else criminals of some kind. If they cross gender boundaries and do “male” things then they are scary monsters. And they NEVER have positive female friends that don’t spend their whole lives talking about men. They never really criticize or stand up to men.

    The message is clear. Be a good woman as directed or be punished. I think the solution is partly to create awareness among all people of these hateful limitations. But we also must get more women into positions of control in the media. A study in the US found 97% of powerful positions in the media were occupied by men. It’s hard to have better representations when the entire media simply represents some repressed male fantasy of the world.

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    Craig

    Well done Emily in coordinating the survey and an excellent article.

    Vilekyle needs to be off the air permanently.

    However MamaMia needs to rephrase its headline and respect the nature of social media.

    Emily is not the leader of a campaign, she is one of the conveners, a focal point for a large group of like minded people.

    A leader shapes views, gets out in front of the crowd and directs them to specific channels and behaviours to create change.

    In this case, as in many other social media initiatives, the behaviour change and channel were already there, Emily’s role was to facilitate the expression through one particular act.

    Many others took other acts – not always visible online but equally as important to the overall movement.

    Sure it’s easier for the media to focus on a single leader for a single issue, but that’s not always what happens and this case, and that of the Occupy movement, Anonymous, the Arab Spring and other recent campaigns and emergent groups, there is not a single leader or a single act of leadership which causes or ‘leads’ the movement.

    So all kudos to Emily for her single act of decency – and to all those others not recognized by MamaMia for their own acts.

    Together we have convened and led, changed the nature of the discussion and created a different and better future.

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    Kate!

    OMG I LOVE this Emily Hehir person! She has articulated the insidiously constricting influence of stereotyping better than anything else Iv read. The Kyle thing is just one glaring example of a bigger, pervasive, systemic problem – other examples are more subtle but just as damaging. Iv participated in the ‘Sack Kyle’ campaign but I hope its just the beginning of a snowball against negative, limiting depiction of what it is to be a good woman.

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    karentippett

    Most companies have a facebook page these days, and you know, it only takes one comment. But when 10,000 or 50,000 people post one comment, it gets hard to ignore. Case in point: Regretsy vs Paypal this week. I feel that if we don’t take some action to say it isn’t OK for women to be seen in this way then we are implicitly supporting he stereotype that Kyle is putting out. And that’s not OK by me

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    Michelle B

    Harvey Norman may well have pulled their advertising support for now, but I wonder if they’re happy for 2Day to be airing a sale advertisement for them voiced by Kyle & Jackie O??

    Would fall into the same basket as far as I was concerned… perhaps they inadvertently missed it, or not….

    If Harvey Norman are prepared to continue standing by their principles they should immediately request that the current ad be pulled & re-voiced before running again – all at 2Day’s own expense, of course!

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      thatgirlfiona

      Yes, I heard the radio advert with Kyle & Jackie O speaking about Harvey Norman and just about did a double take. I thought they withdrew advertising? But it’s okay to do it in a different timeslot, voiced by the same people? It’s all a bit gobbledegook…

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    mrsbracknell

    I think we can get bogged down in what is a female, and the weight issue, what #vilkyle did was denigrate a woman journalist by insulting her breasts by using an infantile word and then he said he would hunt her down. If that happened in any other work place, he would be up on charges.

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    Kerry

    But isn’t it true that magazines with plus size and normal size women don’t sell as well as the ones with thin, beautiful women??
    We keep asking for more realistic images in the media but then we don’t buy them!

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      Emily Hehir

      Perhaps. However I’d like less focus on appearance ALTOGETHER please.

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        Kerry

        Easy to say Emily, but we won’t live long enough to see that happen!

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          Emily Hehir

          I know but I think we will, it can start with ourselves, focusing less on a relationship between our worth and our appearance. Our daughters will learn by watching how we relate to ourselves and each other first and foremost, and that we can change starting tomorrow!

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    Sarah R

    Thank you, thank you Lindsey and Bellaa!! I’m so glad someone else feels what I secretly call the ‘thin, attractive discrimination’. This ‘discrimination’ always comes from other females and I’ve been bullied, sworn at, pushed and had my hair pulled because of the way I look. We are all born different and it disappoints and upsets me greatly that I am viewed with suspicion or as a threat by other women.
    Definetely Kyle is a horrible man and his opinions should not be broadcast nationwide but how often have I heard worse from women talking about another women. Think about it ladies…….we have to stick together and be nice to each other first.

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    Lindsey

    I have been following MM for a couple of years now, and I have to say I am a bit fed up of the “women in the media stories”. I am a young female CEO of an Australian social enterprising organisation based in Cambodia, and I for one have never felt pressured or moulded by the people we have in the media. (Being of a healthy BMI size of 8-10 feels so wrong these days with all the talk of being too thin or plus size). Sometimes we are so over saturated with these stories it loses impact… just saying
    http://twitter.com/LindseyErin

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      Emily Hehir

      I totally understand Lindsey. This is the first time I’ve posted on MM.
      My concern is with the resilience (lack of) of younger girls to the media they are most frequently exposed to, which is so explicit that their worth is related to their appearance. Maybe we have become desensitized to the subliminal messages, because they are everywhere if we look.
      I totally understand though that they aren’t as impactful on everyone’s sense of self, and if so, great for you!

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      Mia

      Hey Lindsay,
      Thanks for the feedback. I think there will always be women who believe they are not influenced by the way the media represents women. Perhaps, living in Cambodia as you do, you are surrounded by a different representation.
      But for every woman who feels fabulous about herself, there will be thousands who feel inadequate. And I think that we must continue to make noise about it. Or else nothing will change.

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        Elle O'Connor

        “I think there will always be women who believe they are not influenced by the way the media represents women.”

        You phrase it in a way that implies that you think this is a false belief. Do you genuinely think there are no women who genuinely believe they are not influenced by representations of women?

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    Anon this time...

    Unfortunately the vast majority of people who want Kyle removed from the airwaves aren’t the demographic that tune into the show. I don’t listen to them – can’t stand them for so many reasons, including the fact I used to work with them – so these days only hear about Kyle when he’s in the media for saying something offensive. Austereo aren’t going to get rid of K & J until the ratings drop – which is unlikely to happen while their audience continues to tune in. The network has probably had a hit to their sales targets with some big advertisers pulling out, but eventually they’ll be back as the market will still be listening and they still need to make a buck. Trust me, Kyle has A LOT of power at Austereo – I will fall off my chair if he is given the boot for good.

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    Bellaa

    Yes, women are valued far too much for how they look, but being thin and pretty is not the key to success you think it is. My looks have held me back more than helped me. I know it will sound conceited, but I am thin and pretty. I’m also smart and hardworking but people never give me any credit for that…. they’re too busy calling me “Barbie”, thinking I’ll be flattered by the comparison. I won’t deny it, my looks (and my masters degree) helped me get my dream job as a reporter. But I was critiqued constantly for my looks (never for my writing skills). I was told I was “the next big thing” and feted for being so telegenic. But I was also harassed. When I tried to speak up I was bullied and labelled “difficult”. Then one day I was told my look was actually “too glamorous”. A week later I was let go with no notice and no explanation. I lost my career over my looks and the inability of others to treat me with respect or as an intellectual equal because I look like “Barbie”. And Barbie gets what she deserves… A pat on the bum and a “just stand there and look pretty sweetheart”. 

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      Emily Hehir

      Thanks for sharing an important dimension Bellaa. I’m sorry to hear about your experience and I hope we can continue to push for women with substance to have the mike, regardless of their appearance entirely.

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        Bellaa

        I would love it if that could happen Emily…I was pushed into broadcast journalism by my professors at uni because of my looks, even though I had far more interest (and my best marks!) in print. I’m waiting for the day when we’re ALL valued for what we can do rather than how we look.

        It has to start with our children…. little girls are ALWAYS told “oh don’t you look pretty today”. That never happens to little boys. So from birth, girls are programmed to believe our worth is predominately in how we look. And it continues into adulthood. It means we spend far too much time working on our appearance rather than our minds and personalities….

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          Emily Hehir

          I think Catherine Deveny agrees with us when she wrote on mamamia:

          “Never ever, ever, ever, ever comment on a little girl’s looks. Tell her anything else. Tell her that she is resilient, that she has a good brain, that she has a strong sense of social justice, she’s strong, brave, a good tryer, has great business skills, fantastic critical thinking but NEVER comment on her looks.

          You are not good enough. That’s the only message girls get from the media.” (http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/love-my-body-catherine-deveny-im-80kg-and-still-happy/)

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            Simone

            Is Catherine Deveney not the woman who lost her job for a comment she made about a little girl’s looks?

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    Billy

    Kyle is vile but where’s Jackie O in all of this? Why doesn’t anyone ask her for a comment?

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    louiseheinrich

    It’s ironic how Emily writes poignantly about women in media, while adjacent to the article are Mamamia’s Galleries – thin, thin, above all thin.

    I love how Mamamia supports the criticism of images of women, but I find it hypocritical that the website so actively supports a culture that it continually calls to change!

    I would like to see less focus on women’s bodies on Mamamia, as well as articles about it.

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      Mia

      Hey Louise,
      Interesting point. We do like to feature fashion galleries of celebrities on red carpets and regular people in street style galleries. Like many people, I like to look at what people wear – for entertainment and wardrobe inspiration.
      I can’t tell you how hard we try to find a diverse mix of women – ages, sizes, nationalities.
      Sadly, ‘fame’ so often corresponds to a cookie-cutter image – invariably small. But we try to include that diversity whenever we can.
      I take your point though. We need to try harder!

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        Kate!

        Thanks for being open to constructive criticism Mia. You should also think about why some of the most regular posts on the site are about makeup and fashion. Sure, the writers know their stuff and seem like nice people but really, the message that is sent again and again by this high-rotation subject matter is ‘how you look and dress is fundamentally important to being a woman.’

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          Mia

          Hey Kate,
          You know, I think about this a lot. I am the first to admit that I’m interested in clothes and make-up. It’s like sport for me. A hobby. The icing. Not the cake.
          And while I know what you’re saying. I’ve always been a lipstick feminist – always seen no contradiction between an interest in lipstick AND Libya (you know what I mean. Y those two examples).
          It’s a balance we’re always looking to find here on MM. We won’t always get it right but we’ll keep trying!!

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            jodiehunter

            Why not get someone like http://www.fashionhayley.com to contribute to your website by doing street style photos? That way, you can show a diverse range of stylish women, regardless of age, body shape, race, disability and show that Hollywood/fashion industry are the ones with limitations, not the fabulous women in the real world.

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    Jo M

    Can someone please explain to me why he’s famous? I just moved here from New Zealand and despite an intensive Wikipedia search, I just can’t understand the supposed public demand. Is it just because of his radio show, and then from there his TV appearances? I mean, he’s not even funny…in a country that produced Rove and Hamish & Andy, I really expected better.

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      Anonymous

      Like “Flight of the Concords” vs Paul Holmes?

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    ashamasha

    I’m wondering why the headline was changed from a factual “kyle sandilands – why I started the petition to boycott his show”

    to the negative “the woman behind the campaign to send kyle sandilands broke” ??

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      me too

      Agreed – is her motivation to send him broke? Of course not! That headline is misleading and waters down the entire point of the campaign.

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      matt pearce

      Totally agree asha, why sensationalise a really well written article with something that isn’t even mentioned in the piece. The original headline was much more interesting anyway.

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      Grant

      Please explain MM

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      CM

      Hi. He says what people are afraid to – he has no shame. He seeks the wrong type of attention – like the naughty kid at school.

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      Mia

      Honestly? I’m not sure why the headline changed. Someone on the MM team must have done it yesterday. I’ve changed it back.

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        Lee

        Although I’m not saying to change it back, philosophically I can actually see a point in “woman behind the campaign to send Kyle Sandilands broke” Because it is pointing to a real and powerful purpose and real world outcome. Maybe nice people, especially women have to get nastier to get anywhere. The alternative headline smacks of simply complaining and has no outcome stated. It’s “nice” Women are always required to be nice as a way of disempowering them. Be nasty sometimes I say. And have a powerful follow through goal beyond just complaining and being dissatisfied. Which is all women mostly ever do.

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    AT

    I agree with this wholeheartedly. I hate seeing when women are complicit in undermining their own gender, or egging on bad sexist behaviour. I hate it when I am in situations – at least once a week – when guys are being sexist or offensive, and women – their girlfriends, usually – giggle along because it’s ‘funny’, and if you don’t giggle you are a humourless bitch.

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    Mia

    Well done Emily, a great read and a great thing you’re doing. Power to you.

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      Emily Hehir

      Thanks so much for the opportunity Mia, appreciate it!

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    amysheaves

    Seriously people! If you don’t like it…tune out. I am actually appalled that someone would go to the trouble of encouraging advertisers to pull out of someone else’s show.

    It just proves how mindless people can be to jump on the ‘ole bandwagon and even more for pathetic for the fearful advertisers who are worried that public opinion is really going to stop someone from buying their product. Time for the news cycle to move on.

    NEXT!

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      Sue

      The problem is, I don’t listen to his show and yet I never stop seeing him and hearing about him because of his constant stunts and obnoxious behavior. The only way that we can be free of his toxic comments is if Austereo and channel seven take him off the air.

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        Kris2040

        Exactly. I go nowhere near his shows voluntarily, but I still have to hear about him and his idiot sidekick. Money talks. Bahbye then.

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      Lee

      The problem with just “turning off” is that other, violent, people ARE listening. And these people are encouraged in their violence towards women by seeing it displayed so openly and approvingly in public. These violent people see this as permission to harm women. And anyone else seen as a good bully target. So it IS my business what he does on his show.

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    Petal

    Great article Emily. I have a daughter and I want the world to offer her every possibility imaginable. She doesn’t need idiots like Sandilands passing judgment on how women look as if this is their worth of their being.

    I can’t stand the man, but always liked Jackie O. I really hope she makes a stance here and stands up for the women, I am assuming, she is employed to represent on their radio show. C’mon Jackie, show some guts. Enough is enough.

    I really, really hope we do not see anymore of this man on our television screens next year. I disliked him before this incident anyway and I just hope tv executives are taking note. Don’t forget. Women make up 50% of your viewing audiences.

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    rainbow

    great post, so many things i wasn’t aware of, it is quite scary really.

    i have hope for the next generation, i think they are learning a lot about standing up to bullies in primary school, i have seen incidences where it seems to be working.

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    Niri

    Completely agree. As a father of 3 good looking sons I want them to respect and value women for attributes other than physical beauty. The media keep bombarding us that nothing is worth other than beauty.

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      PP

      odd Niri that you’d choose to describe your sons only as good-looking which sends a message to me how much you value their physical beauty?
      I’m sure you didn’t mean anything by it but food for thought.

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    bernice finlayson

    i am grateful to Emily for initiating the petition which I signed and I agree with her article. Sounds as if she would make a great replacement for that awful bloke

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    Helen

    STANDS UP AND CHEERS!

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    becsparrow

    Emily, I really enjoyed this piece and hope we get to feature more of your stories on MM. xxx

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      Emily Hehir

      Thanks so much Bec! Would love that.

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    Tania

    Good riddance to Kyle Sandilands! That is all I can say about him. However there is one quam I have about this whole male Vs female debate. I find arrogance and bullying abhorrent in males AND females! And believe me there are females like that out there! However when they are criticized the excuse is “If I was a man it would be no problem.” (Actually if she was a man she would just be an arrogant bastard!) Yes I know it is harder for females but a lot of the times I find it is certain personality types that rub us the wrong way and that can exist in both of the genders. It is time we stop focusing on our differences and start looking at the individual behavior of the person and not their sex. Stereotyping certain behavior as male or female makes it harder for both of the sexes to get along with each other.

    Of course I am basing this mostly on the western culture. There are other cultures out there that do not value women what so ever – That is where true inequality of the sexes exist.

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    lucindainthesky

    I don’t know about anyone else around here, but I couldn’t give a hoot what Kyle Sandilands says or thinks about women or anyone else. I don’t listen to the radio show and nor do I intend to start. If he feels like it, he can try to convince listeners that Mother Teresa was a slut for all I care.

    Media is part of consumerism, and people have views which not everyone likes. As long at there are articles continually digging up the controversies over and over again, it is creating interest and PR for those who are not worthy of time or energy, and therefore people like Kyle will continue to push the boundaries to keep people talking and make his millions.

    I say let’s find something more interesting to talk about.

    As for whether or not the media perpuates the myth that skinny and pretty = successful, I think that is a whole separate issue to “vyle kyle”, and this piece would have been more interesting if he’d been left out of it.

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    stacey

    ive always felt jackie o is just as bad as kyle…she never challenges him on the stuff that comes out of his mouth….so she is either afraid of kyle’s reaction to it or she has no strong opinons on anything…

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    Jo Abi

    The show is a product that delivers to a specific audience. I only know what Kyle said due to subsequent media coverage which made it a news story. This worries me more than the fact that he said it.
    This article is wonderful though. You make me want to be a better woman. Everyone conspires to make us feel this way…TV shows, magazines, movies…the solution is to stop consuming these and focus on more positive influences as much as possible. Bullying doesn’t end with school, it just starts getting spun as marketing. We can change it, by turning the radio off, leaving the magazine at the shops and dressing however the he’ll we want. Xx

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    green trees

    i don’t think we can change mainstream media. what we need to do is change our own habits and find media we do like. if people switch off the tv / buy different magazines or newspapers then the mainstream media will have to figure out why and change their product accordingly. if you keep watching and buying then they will consider their formula successful.

    i don’t like magazines like Cleo, Cosmo, Madison, Marie Claire (don’t even get me started on the gossip mags, can’t believe lovely trees are being cut down for that crap) so i don’t buy them. I buy Frankie because there is no celebrity gossip or diet or sex articles and the content is Australian. Not just the same 10 celebrities that you see on the cover of magazine month after month.
    i loathe the rubbish shows they put on channel 9. i hate the way there are insulting incidents on the footy show but they keep producing it, so i just don’t watch channel 9 at all.
    these days there are so many alternatives, all you have to do is spend a little time seeking them out.

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    Punkernickle

    And while we’re at it, can I just give a little kudos to that PR agency (I think it was Girl PR?) which dropped a big account (one of the jewellers, can’t remember which one) because their client did not withdraw advertising (they later did).

    It takes a lot for a little agency to drop a big client and stick to their values.

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    Anonymous

    Perhaps Jackie O is worried she’ll lose her job if she stands up to Kyle. She may not be strong enough to stand up to his bullying and she has a family to support.

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      Melissa J

      they have worked together forever. If she had a serious problem with him she would have walked away long ago.

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    james

    Genuinely lovely article… You make so many great points about the media in general.

    I just don’t understand why its centred around Kyle Sandilands?! He would have said exactly the same thing to a man…

    He regularly goes too far on air and that needs to be sorted, but you need to get over the sexism thing…

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      Lulu

      “He would have said exactly the same thing to a man…”

      O RLY? Including the comments about breast size?

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      vanessayoung

      “you need to get over this sexism thing” *weeps from frustration*

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    Isabella

    Vile. Jackie O is just as bad:

    Kyle Sandilands caller: ‘Killthe tranny’
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    ‘Vile’ Kyle Sandilands is already under fire and hemorrhaging advertisers after his recent woman-bashing broadcast, but now Same Same can reveal a recent caller on his show advocated ‘killing a tranny’ as the show’s hosts sniggered.

    The 2DayFM broadcast came on Monday 21 November, just one day after Transgender Day of Remembrance, which each year is set aside to remember transgender people lost to anti-trans violence.

    In the live broadcast, Sandilands asked a young male caller a hypothetical question: “I’ve fallen madly in love with a tranny from a nightclub in Vegas… I have asked you to be the best man at this filthy little Vegas chapel. What do you do to stop me marrying the tranny?”

    The caller dumbly responded: “You gotta for sure drug her, and get rid of… actually I have a better idea… [caller bleeped] Get rid of her! We kill her.”

    Sandilands’ co-host Jackie O just laughed. “Kyle, well seriously, are you going to take Nathan he is going to kill the prostitute! A tranny! And bury her!”

    The caller’s suggestion was treated as a joke by both the show’s hosts, with Sandilands remarking: “murdering someone would not be on my list… and just try and get away with it!… you could win if all the other answers are worse than that.”

    Why would a guy choosing to marry a tranny be wrong? Why is the drugging, murder and disposal of someone a laughing matter? And why does the hypothetical ‘tranny’ become a ‘prostitute’ after the caller’s inappropriate answer?

    Have a listen and let us know what you think…

    Isabella – http://isabelladurante.wordpress.com

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    shanny

    simply put, you’re brilliant, emily.

    did what kyle said remind anyone else of gordon ramsey slagging tracy grimshaw? mysogynistic insecure bully boys.

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    Jennifer from Sydney

    Beautifully written. It is a pity that most of Kyle’s audience wont be able to understand it.

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    ladybug

    The media corporations need to be held accountable for the actions of their staff. I work for a bank, and if I behaved so unprofessionally I would be sacked quick smart. Kyle behaves the way he does because he gets away with it. Jackie O is perpetuating it by remaining silent. Shame on her too.

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    Mug

    Remember when Kyle called Jackie O fat and she cried on the radio? That’s when I first thought Kyle was just a bully & not misunderstood. There should be no space in the media for bullies.

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    Matt Pearce

    I found this article really interesting but couldn’t help but notice the 4 picture galleries on the right hand side of the article all feature thin pretty girls. You guys on this site perpepuate the myth of the perfect female as much as people like Sandilands yet you get away with it in the name of fashion. Put simply they are bombarded with images of “thin and pretty” models while at the same time reading great articles like this that are trying to change our way of thinking. Surely it’s time to look inside your own site as well as commenting on the rubbish that Sandilands and company peddle.

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      anon

      I wish I like this comment more than once! :)

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      odette

      I’d like to see a street-style gallery made up of an equal mix of body shapes/sizes, as well as ages.

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        Punkernickle

        Sartorialist-style!

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        Rick Morton

        We try and get as many different body shapes and cultural backgrounds in those galleries as we can. It makes it more fun to flick through! Check them out :)

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          odette

          I can see a range of ethnicities, a couple of older people. But the images of people less than size 12 far outnumbers the images of people greater than size 12. I’m talking an *equal* mix.

          Edited because my less than and greater than symbols were mistaken for html!

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    Sam

    All the media outlets need to do is stop talking about him and that will be the best boycott of all… simple!

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    Shannon

    So proud…I think thats a tear rolling down my cheek! Best thing I have read all year.
    Pass this on….

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    Lana

    Brilliant post.

    But where oh where is Jackie O in all of this? The debacle and not the post?

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      Lorren

      I agree Lana! I’ve never been one to support Kyle, but whenever he’s gone off the rails, we have never heard from Jackie O? Why is she so silent? Why isn’t she saying, “Kyle you’re off base and I refuse to work with you when you’re like this!”. In her silence she is only enabling him. If she can’t stand up for her own gender against Kyle, no wonder everyone else fears him in Media Land!

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      MelGardener

      I believe Jackie O plays a very carefully crafted role…her purpose is to say things like “Kyle, you can’t say that!” but it’s delivered very softly, and often with a little girl giggle, so it’s not really a telling off in the true sense of the word but she can play the ‘voice of reason’ and the station can claim they are presenting a balance.

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        shanny

        that’s very astute. i’ve also noticed jackie’s silence.

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      Anon

      Actually, she isn’t even silent you can hear her giggling along with vile Kyle.

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      Jayne

      I agree Lana, Lorren and Mel absolutely. But you also have to ask where is Kyle and Jackie’s bosses in this? Are they not the true enablers by allowing him time and time again to a) get away with his behaviour and b) reward it? Obviously it comes from the top of the Austereo culture?

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    picardie.girl

    This is a wonderful article. Well done, Emily. It is so great to see someone focussing on a bigger picture; of seeing the opportunity to raise the standards of the media as a whole. I think many of us feel it is needed, even if we don’t know how to go about it.

    To the media: Yes, show us women who are courageous or smart, and not just as the subplot to their physical beauty. Raise your standards. We challenge you.

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    mandi

    To be perfectly honest, making comments about Kyle of the nature that Ali did was always going to lead to the backlash she received. Everyone knows what Kyle is like and to expect that he wouldn’t react in the way he did is kind of silly.

    I’m not excusing his behaviour, I’m not a fan and never have been, but on some level we all just have to accept that Kyle is very outspoken and doesn’t hold back on what he thinks. And that is what appeals to his audience. It’s not everyone’s up of tea, but that’s part of the society we live in.

    And continuing to talk about it is only fuelling it. Kyle loves the attention, loves the limelight and we are constantly giving it to him.

    Even this post is fuelling his ego because people are still talking about him. If you really don’t like him and don’t agree with the way he behaves, don’t listen to him. Don’t give him your time of day. But the longer people keep talking about him and making him a part of their lives, he is going to continue to be popular and carry on the way he does. Essentially he is like an attention seeking child – he’ll do whatever he can to get people’s attention, as long as he has it, he will continue on in the attention seeking behaviour.

    Wow, didn’t mean for it to be that long. But the moral of the story is stop giving Kyle the attention he is seeking by eliminating him from your conversations. The more people talk about him, the more people are going to be tuning in to hear what he comes out with next.

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      Gary Lloyd

      “It’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but that’s part of the society we live in.” Mandi, it is not part of the society that I and many thousands of others want to live in. Turning off the radio and ignoring the issue does not make it go away. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men (or women) to do nothing.

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        mandi

        I’m speaking society as a whole. I don’t choose to associate with that part of society but I can’t ignore it doesn’t exist. Sadly there are people who are just not nice people, but we have the decision not to associate with them.

        Giving more attention to the negative parts of society doesn’t make it go away, it just gives more fuel to the fire. People like Kyle get their kicks out of getting on people’s nerves and being controversial. And they do that for the attention and the more people talk about it and start petitions and boycotts the more controversial they are going to be. This issue happened weeks ago yet it’s still at the forefront of our conversations. Do you not think that Kyle is sitting back laughing because he has gotten the exact response he constantly strives for? It has happened time and time again, and people are still tuning into listen to him.

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          Brooke

          I agree with Mandi, Kyle is Kyle he isn’t going to change. He won’t apologise because he doesn’t think he has done anything wrong. By writing yet another article is giving him what he wants, attention!!

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            Cait

            Sorry Brooke and Mandi but i completely disagree.

            He gets paid by sponsors, who essentially keep him on the air. Currently ratings season is over, and the K&JO Show is off air until january – which is why some sponsors (and Austero) are remaining silent – hoping that it all blows over.

            Articles like this remind people how mysoginistic and vile the Show is, so when it all comes back in Jan/Feb, the sponsors will have no choice but to pull the plug.

            I would be happy to see articles every day reminding Kyles employers that we in society dont suffer short term memory loss.

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              mandi

              But regardless his loyal listeners are always going to come back. And there are some sponsors that see the popularity of Kyle and no matter how many petitions people write, it is not going to change anything. Sponsors aren’t stupid they can see the publicity he is getting and as long as he is getting attention so are they.
              Kyle has enough of a fan base to warrant the sponsorships to continue. And this incident is nowhere near as bad as the incident with the rape victim, and Kyle came back bigger than ever – simply because people wouldn’t shut up about him.
              And as some posters have already pointed out, we only know what he said because of the media reporting on it. Fans of his show listen to him knowing what he says, but I don’t listen to him and it’s only because of articles like this that I was made aware of what he said. Otherwise I would have been oblivious to it, which would have had no impact on my opinion of Kyle because I didn’t like him nor listen to him in the first place.
              But that is how I see things. Obviously you see things differently so let’s adjust agree to disagree on how we view the whole situation.

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              Cait

              Unless he plans on working for nothing, his listeners will have no one to listen to.

              Pulling sponsors means no one to pay him. If no one is paying him or the station for his airtime, then he doesnt GET any airtime.

              This is the public just turning off the money drip.

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    cat

    Shit runs downhill. When you align your issues with the people in power, that’s when things change. Ergo, no advertising > no money > no Kyle (please). That’s why I dislike the onus being put on the consumers — change starts at the top. Kyle wouldn’t be so comfortable spouting his bile if radio culture itself wasn’t so vile.

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    Hayley

    This comes back to the question of why do people watch Today Tonight?

    The rest of us can ignore rubbish all we want but it won’t go away while there is still a large portion of the population that insists on tuning in.

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    wilmawalrus

    Thank you Emily – you have started an amazing movement, that has galvanised people who are concerned like you into taking action by posting messages to the facebook pages, Twitter and websites of Austereo’s (and particularly the Kyle & Jackie O show) sponsors asking them to withdraw their advertising. This has been done politely and respectfully, while pointing out that they have been supporting a radio host that advocates threats against women, makes derogatory and sexist comments and who is backed up by a female co-host who does nothing to stop him. At last count, 58 advertisers have currently withdrawn their advertising after receiving such messages. This movement is not going to stop until Kyle and Jackie O are taken off the airwaves. We have had enough of this negative, crass bully who is in a position to influence young people with the message that violence and misogyny is funny and therefore acceptable. I can only hope that the media in general is taking note of this, as I and many other are fed up – and we are prepared to make our voices heard.

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    Mon

    I think this issue has been blown way out of context. Kyle sandilands is a radio host who is paid to speak his mind- like so many of them. This woman published the comments publicly in the first place and if she is not willing to cop the flak then she is in the wrong job. I can’t believe companies have cancelled advertising and started a boycott over stupid comments! You all need to worry about not serious things in this world.

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      Chrissy

      She did not attack him personally or comment on his physical attractiveness. If he had responded by commenting on her professionally, it would be a different matter but he chose to comment on her physicality.

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      wa gal

      Kyle, if that’s you posing as a woman to comment on this story, you’ve been sprung.

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      Cait

      So its ok for a public figure to threaten on national radio to hunt a woman down? All she did was report the facts – which was that as far as twitter followers and ratings were concerned, the tv show was an epic fail.

      Kyle threatens and belittles people so often on the radio, and that shouldnt be accepted as the norm.

      Im glad the companies are boycotting Kyle, and i think that is the common sentiment amongst reasonable people. This guy is directly tuned in to the youth market – and I would hate to think that young men are learning that saying such things is how you earn respect and maintain dignity in the face of failure.

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    fionamalone

    Where do we go from here? How do you change the media?

    We start with us.

    ‘It’s unlikely Kyle Sandilands will ever truly change – whether he has an audience or not, he will probably continue to believe that he has the right to denigrate any woman that falls outside the pretty, skinny and submissive caricature.’

    It is also not okay to denigrate women who fall inside this caricature. It is not okay to denigrate women. It’s not okay, ever.

    The point, surely, is that it is not okay to denigrate another human being. He chose to focus on appearance. The correct response is surely not to meet him in his world, but to focus on the facts. Ali Stephenson made some remarks which, it seems to me, were defensible and not going to get her on Media Watch. She did her job well. If we continue to publish comment about what was said about her rather than what she said, where is her voice?

    It is not okay to denigrate women. It is not okay to focus, positively or negatively on their appearance in place of their personhood, and in this case, their work.