This is certainly the hottest story around town today. Not since Lara Bingle topless photos were posted online against her will earlier this year has celebrity, sex and football been such big news.
St Kilda footballer, Nick Riewoldt has been involved in an online photo scandal through Facebook and Twitter. A Melbourne teenager is posting explicit photos of Saints players Nick Riewoldt, Zac Dawson and Nick Dal Santo in an act of “revenge” (her word) after she made a complaint earlier in the year against two Saints players, claiming she had become pregnant after having sex with the men. The AFL investigation found the players had not acted inappropriately and no charges were laid.
From The Herald Sun:
Nick Riewoldt
ST Kilda star Nick Riewoldt says he doesn’t know the girl who published explicit photos of him and other players on her Facebook page, but is disappointed in her actions.
But the teen who has released explicit photos of St Kilda players Riewoldt, Zac Dawson and Nick Dal Santo on the internet says she plans to upload at least a dozen more, despite a court order forbidding it.
Photos released by the girl on her Facebook site yesterday, showing the players in various states of undress in a hotel room, have outraged the AFL Players’ Association and St Kilda. The club yesterday asked police to investigate.
This morning Riewoldt said he had done nothing wrong.
“I can’t understand why someone I don’t know would want to denigrate me in this way. I don’t know the person. I’m just very disappointed and hurt.”
The Saints’ captain said the picture in question was taken about a year ago by a teammate in Miami. He said he had woken up, got out of bed, and the photo was taken but he told the fellow player to delete it and believed it had been destroyed.
The girl, a jilted former lover of another Saint, is threatening to release a “scrapbook” of damaging images and text messages.
She has vowed to continue posting images each day until the police force her to stop.
According to SMH:
Last night, a Federal Court judge ordered that the teenager and Facebook remove the images. Facebook closed the teenager’s account shortly after 8pm, but she responded at about 9pm by posting a link on Twitter to the pictures.
The teenager's twitter page - we've blanked out her name
One of the photographs shows Riewoldt posing naked next to teammate Zac Dawson, who is wearing jeans and is holding out what appears to be a condom packet. The other shows Dal Santo in a more explicit pose.
”Merry Christmas courtesy of the St Kilda schoolgirl” is writ- ten across the photographs.
The AFL and police interviewed the teenager when she was a student, following the allegations that she had become pregnant to a St Kilda player, and decided not to take action ”as no unlawful activity had occurred”.
The teenager, whom The Age has opted not to name, said her baby was stillborn on October 5.
She told The Age she was posting the photographs out of revenge. She said she hated St Kilda and the AFL ”because they treated me with disrespect”.
”I just want to let them know what it feels like to have your reputation absolutely ruined,” she said. She has been offering the photographs to media outlets for at least a month, and said last night she would post further pictures until she was satisfied that players knew what it felt like to be degraded.
Here is Nick Riewoldt at a press conference this morning discussing the pictures:
Has anyone seen these photos? Anyway. Just like when a topless shot of Lara Bingle was circulated on social media earlier this year, this story raises issues for everyone. How do you protect your reputation and image when the click of a mouse can wreck untold damage?
(PS: if you come be a friend of Mamamia on Facebook, we solemnly promise never to publish any nude photos of you)
NOTE: Any comments that are abusive about any of the people involved will be deleted. This is a fascinating and MESSY story but it’s possible to discuss it and express opinions without being personally cruel. Please keep it to the usual high Mamamia standards of comment.
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Just curious: If someone posted a Group Therapy here saying they had photos that they could publish somewhere and get an ex/someone they felt hard done by into shit, how would people react?
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Why is this the exact same question that Kris2040 wrote a couple of posts below?
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If you are stupid enough to take nude photo’s it’s your funeral. And Kris or whatever your name is if you are happy to engage in sex with multiple partners I would assume you would like the freedom to do so without being called a slut, whore or some of the other absolute despicable things that have been written in other forums so I’m a little perplexed at your anger.
No-one has really “bashed” footballers to any damaging degree and let’s face it they have a very large, very expensive support network that surrounds them. I find it very difficult to show much respect to the particular players involved when there are other players such as Jim Stynes, Chris Judd and I’m sure countless others who don’t buy into this hero worshipping, testosterone crap and know the definition of being a man. It’s a sad reflection on our society when women still throw around the words slut and whore yet think nothing of it.
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Um, I haven’t called anyone a slut or a whore. Ever. Please go and have a read through what I have written before you start accusing me of that.
I have no idea how the question that I posted last night has somehow been reposted under someone else’s name.
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I’d say someone saw it and thought you were on to something, you should feel special Kris! =P
Nice to have you back, btw!
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Yeah, I guess. Thanks, I haven’t had any credit for the interwebs!
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Some people seem to think that this girl’s profile pics reflect badly on her. I don’t agree.
I would like to publicly apologise to this girl, on behalf of the society I live in, for the garbage that she (and her generation of girls) have been smothered with for their entire lives. I apologise that you have been raised in an ugly paris hilton/ralph mag/hip hop video culture that continually tells you that you have to be ‘on display’ all the time, and you’re nothing if you’re not “hot”, “fast”, “smooth”, and available for sex from a young age. I’m sorry people haven’t helped you to realise this doesn’t make you powerful. I’m sorry that this culture has let you to believe that posing provocatively is the way to feel acceptable and powerful and wanted; and grown-up. I’m sorry to all of the girls of your generation that pose for their facebook photos as if they’re posing for ralph magazine, and don’t even realise what they’re doing. I’m sorry that my generation has watched this happen and done nothing about it.
I am 39 yrs old, and I’m smart and literate and educated and able to analyse and criticise and form my own opinion. And I am relatively well off, and I have a particular interest in this topic, and I have time to think about it, and I make time to read what psychologists say about it. And I still don’t know how the hell I’m supposed to help my 5 yr old daughter negotiate and survive this ugly part of our world. And I think about that all the time. And it makes me really angry, because I feel so powerless.
So how were you supposed to work it out, you poor little girl. I am sorry that we didn’t work it out sooner, and make sure there were people available to help you work it out. I’m sorry there’s been no-one able to help you see that throwing yourself at footballers isn’t going to get you anywhere, or help you feel the things you need to feel.
I’m sorry that our society has done nothing about the ugly side of football culture. I’m sorry that you live in a culture where groups of footballers think it’s ok to make use of people like you. And I’m sorry that our society has done nothing about this. I’m sorry that you live in a society where groups of footballers think it’s ok to hang out in hotel rooms with 15 or 16yr olds. And do whatever they want, as long as it’s not illegal. I’m sorry we haven’t made it illegal to be casually cruel to teenage girls, or to treat them in a sexually degrading way, whatever their ‘legal’ age. I’m sorry that you see on the news that groups of grown men can ‘join in’ with Matty Johns when he’s having sex with a nineteen year old girl, and never be named and shamed. I’m sorry that it seems footballers can get away with anything.
I’m sorry that you felt this was the only way to bring on some consequences. Sadly it will only make things worse for you. The media is too powerful, and sadly they always take the side of footballers and money. Or whatever side will stir up the most controversy and nastiness. They will pretend to interview you in good faith, but they will turn on you. I’m sorry for that too. I’m sorry if there is no-one to help you work this stuff out.
What you have done is wrong though. It might seem like you’re fighting the system, but really it’s joining it.
I wish you were reading this, because then I could tell you that there is someone who will help you. In amongst the media coverage, Australia’s best known adolescent-psychologist, Michael Carr-Gregg is very concerned for you, and asking for you to contact him. Google him, he’s famous.
By the way, I’m also sorry for Nick Reiwoldt, if it’s true that he is ‘one of the nice guys’, and completely an innocent victim in this affair. But, he’s still part of the footy culture that turns a blind eye to, and protects the behaviour of footballers who aren’t ‘nice guy’s’. And my definition of a ‘nice guy’ isn’t just someone who doesn’t join in, it is someone who steps in and says something about wrong behaviour, before the pack mentality has time to set in. I acknowledge that I know nothing about him, and he may well be one of the few footballers doing this.
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Thumbs up x 100.
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You’ve said a lot of what I think, but am sometimes reluctant to articulate, about the ‘culture’ of footballers and sex.
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Beautifully said.
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Daisy you rock – your 5 year old is lucky to have such a smart and articulate mother who is WORRIED about these issues. Mrs M
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As a mother of two teenage daughters I thank you for this.
I also want to tell you that you can raise your child to be strong and to able to judge for herself how she is being manipulated by the media and how her own self worth is far more important than the affection of a boy whose only interest is to take advantage of her.
Your awareness of just how society has let this young girl down is the first step towards empowering your own child.
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Agree agree agree. As Lulu said, thumbs up x 100
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Totally agree. What a great post Daisy.
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Great post (with the slight except of the advise to contact Carr-Gregg, not a fan of girls at the best of times)!!!!!!!!!
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Great post.
But I’ve seen the Reiwoldt photo and he’s no “innocent victim”. He was fully aware of the photo being taken, but yeah, he probably assumed it had been deleted.
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/policeman-bought-teen-drinks-then-had-sex-20101221-194ib.html
interesting read…..amazing certain facets of the media refuse to touch this one
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did you see the hinch article on it? http://www.hinch.net/hinch-says-2010/December/23-12-10.html shit she was over 7 months pregnant with twins. no wonder she’s going off the deep end.
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I just read the finch one and I am appauled. The poor girl must feel used and degraded and pissed off. I can see why she wanted to lash out. Just hope it doesn´t ruin her life
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Pardon my cynicism but…
chick chick boom!
someone wants a career…
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I feel sorry for all involved here, it’s not a pretty story. Though I have to say I can’t help but feel that the sense of outrage in this particular case is more ‘righteous’, than compared to Lara Bingle. At that time, it was as though on face value, the AFL were talking about how bad it was, etc, but felt like there was lots of smirking behind closed doors. I also read in the Herald Sun today (it was at the coffee shop!) that the AFL weren’t happy with Channel 7 for showing a picture of Nick with light pixelation, and the Herald Sun were taking the high ground and not publishing it. I’m pretty sure Lara was on the front cover when that story broke. Double standards anyone?? And I did like the reader comment that said something along the lines of ‘this girl did more for trying to stop this sex culture in afl then what the afl itself could do.
Oh, and if you don’t want your wanger out there for all to see, don’t put yourself in front of a camera!
(but I do feel sorry for Nick…)
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Just curious: If someone posted a Group Therapy here saying they had photos that they could publish somewhere and get an ex/someone they felt hard done by into shit, how would people react?
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I think there is another story here, why are young men & women, (boys & girls really), having such random meaningless sex so often? I know how prudish that sounds but doesnt sex mean anything anymore?
& another thing, has the safe sex message been heard by any of these people involved??
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Sad but I think alot of ramdon meaningless sex that girls participate in has alot to do with their self esteem. Young girls who are confident with themselves as a rule do not give into the pressure of sex. Sad but true. Guys as a rule tend to form relationships with women who are not sluttish and easy and whom they have the upmost respect for. Many may argue my point, but I believe the respected girls are the ones that score the good ones in the end.
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If she was genuinely treated badly by footballers and police, then yes, it’s important to out this behaviour. It is sad she lost her baby and that she may have had sex with these men and was taken advantage of.
But even so I think she is going about it in a very abrasive and damaging way. She is actively seeking media attention, posing provocatively and put her number on twitter.
It seems like the sex was her choice – if she is smart enough to go on this crusade of publicly outing these high profile people I believe she was smart enough to make the decision to have sex with them.
I watched her videos and they were very immature – not explaining much and she answered the phone every time it rang.
I am not sure what her method is going to achieve.
I wonder when teenagers grew up so much – she seems 17 going on 25?
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There is a line between illegal and immoral. It is called ‘unethical’, and it would seem that both sides have passed that line, and paid the price for it. We seem to have been suckered into believing that just because something isn’t illegal, then it must be ok.
The girl in question may be over the legal age of consent, but she clearly hasn’t the maturity to deal with her own behaviour. There are women who are happy to be groupies – I’m reminded of the woman profiled on Four Corners in the Matthew Johns story, who was proud of her many hook-ups with footballers. Only difference is she was a woman in her mid-30s. To my thinking there is a world of difference between a 17 or 18 or 19 year old and one of 30 or 35 etc. If, as has been suggested in the media and in this post, this girl is ‘well known’ to the AFL, and has some euphemistically-described ‘issues’, then why are AFL players having anything to do with her? Can’t they be responsible for taking an ethical decision to NOT sleep with her?
There are also ethical transgressions which this girl has made – clearly she has breached the trust of the player whose photos she stole, and she has set out to demean the players whose photos she has published. She seems to lack an ethical ‘brake’ of her own, and is driven by vengeful motives, which gets back to the questions of maturity raised in the paragraph above, but also may indicate a more general personality flaw.
And while we are talking ethical behaviour – how about the fact that Gilbert, the player who took the photos, disregarded a direct request from his own captain to delete them, and instead downloaded them onto his computer? What was he saving them for?? So much for the sanctity of the team / captain relationship.
So much bad behaviour, so much disrespect, so much poor decision-making.
There is no legislation that can be passed to stop people doing dumb things, but wouldn’t it be nice if, instead of legislating for good behaviour people were ruled by their own internal set of ethics, starting with the golden rule – do unto others, as you would have done to you.
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Having a stillborn child would eff me up too. And if the father claimed I didn’t even exist or he had no idea who I was? Well I’d be a little bit mad.
Footballers have had it too good for too long. Put your penis away you freaks the digital age is gonna get ya! See said video of that Nick dude (I have no idea about AFL) feeling all hurt and can’t understand what is happening? Bahhahhahhaha. That’ll learn em.
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She’s been causing shit for a lot longer than her alleged pregnancy and stillbirth though…
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If she’s been known to them for so long then how did they not realise she’s still in school?
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She initially lied about her age. And to be honest, it sounds like she doesn’t spend a lot of time at school!
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Didn’t they meet her at a coaching clinic at school?
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OK then, so for how long has she been causing shit? The team mates claim they met her at then end of March, that’s just over eight months ago. And for some of that time wasn’t she actually the girlfriend of Sam Whatshisface? Why did he go out with her if she was trouble, or was she only trouble after they broke up?
There are so many snippets of information and your comments makes it sound like you’re in the know, I’m just trying to piece everything together.
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How would you know that she has been causing shit for a lot longer? because one of the players said she was?
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Andrew Demetriou just said on the news that they have had at least 20 meetings with the girl and offered her counselling.
How about instead of blindly defending this chick and using it as an excuse to bash footballers maybe accept that some girls are just nasty bitches?
They also just said on the news that she has been offered internships from 2 PR firms for her expert use of social media. THAT is shocking.
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Oh well if the CEO of the AFL and the News said it then it MUST be true.
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Why does it have to be a lie? This chick has said HERSELF what she has done and the reasons she has done it. What is there to be dubious about??
Don’t like footy, fine. I’m not a particular AFL fan, but I can see when someone is being a vindictive bitch!
Why are you so intent on defending her and condemning the AFL players???
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….and if this girl said the opposite then it must be true ? Give me a break, Trinity !
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well she’s getting what she wanted if she’s had those PR job offers… it is so frustrating to me that someone like me and countless others who work hard at uni struggle to find internships/jobs in the media, but people who stir up shit in the media manage it so easily.
she’s obviously a trouble maker, and silly or not, these footballers don’t deserve to be condemned for some silly pictures that they took themselves and that she seems to have stolen!
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Yeah, not cool at all, Emma. I guess if they named the agencies you’d know who you wouldn’t want to work for, hey?
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And you take her versions of events at face value? Come on!
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PLEASE would you seriously believe a bunch of middle aged men who have millions of dollars at stake and want to protect their “brand”? Get real. when the case came about her being pregnant the AFL investigated and found nothign wrong yet those players are walking STDs, slutting it up with group sex and lots of young, drunk girls.
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I just listened to the audio from the 3AW interview.
I was struck by how with it she sounded and she sounded intelligent.
Which has thrown me a bit as I’d got all judgy wudgy and put her instantly in the category of stupid.
Now I’m finding this whole saga quite chilling. She’s smart and feeling vindicitive. Not a good combo.
Footy players take cover!
Oh and please please stop getting nude with each other. Its just weird.
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Seriously?? I thought the opposite. She seemed so immature (and definitely not intelligent) to me. She had that characteristically teenage voice, said “like” lots and slipped in and out of an american accent.
Maybe I got this from the ustream videos she did too. She seemed unstable.
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yeah can’t say i got an intelligent vibe from her when i heard her on 774 yesterday, all i got was smug and vengeful. i do agree with you though that she seems smart and vindictive, not a good combo – smart in the way she’s playing her cards with the media getting mass exposure. i think she is a sad example of how sexualised young girls can become, and just how bitchy some girls can be in their pursuit to get to the top.
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“people always told me, be careful what you do, don’t go around breaking young girls’ hearts……” i really think that celebrities ( of whatever type) need to get this message. I’m not saying they deserve this scandal or not because who really knows what happened BUT if you seek out a career with fame and fortune attached, the potential downsides are no secret. I get a bit tired of celebs acting so shocked that what they do in their private lives ends up in the media.
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Totally agree with all of this. Props.
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There are a couple of things going on here:
1. People just need to STOP taking photos of each other in compromising situations – it’s not funny. It’s a shame that this guy seems to be innocent but seriously, put your dick away and this kind of thing won’t happen to you.
2. This young girl does seem a little tilted, I feel sorry for her – she needs help and support.
Don’t blame her parents – I raised my daughter with love, support and good morals – and she still did some very questionable things while she was growing up.
I made some shocking choices when I was that young, fully believing at the time that they were right and justified only to look back and cringe.
As others have said ‘she knows what she’s doing’ – that’s correct she does. BUT she doesn’t yet realise (due to lack of maturity) how her actions are going to impact her life and the lives of others.
I think Karen Kissane summed it up beautifully
“A child of the age of narcissism, using the uncontrolled medium of the age, acting out the age-old wrath of a woman scorned”
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Precisely.
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people also forget she’s a teenager. her brain isn’t even fully formed. she’s also suffered a teenage pregnancy and stillbirth late in her pregnancy. yet the afl “investigated” and found nothing wrong with their precious players.
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Ok i have a major bee in my bonnet and have since I saw a promo re: this story for 7pm project (which I normally really enjoy), and now i have a place to air it and see what others think, so thanks Mia
The 7pm project promo raised the release of these pics then talked about toughening privacy laws.
?????
Maybe its just me – but when female Lara Bingle was involved in a photo scandal the news reports and general feeling was ‘bloody bingle, silly girl, another scandal’ (subtext skank)
Now that its men in these photos its an invasion of privacy deserving an analysis of our protective laws, they’ve done nothing wrong and the woman releasing them is being generally portrayed as money hungry, opportunistic, and all round the bad person in this.
Now i know there are different circumstances in each of the cases but come on — surely they don’t deserve such a drastic difference in spin?
Has anyone else seen it this way?
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100% agree with you, concern about poor Nick but blaming Bingle…completely unfair.
While I am whinging 7pm project also said there was a “crisis” among men in teaching and the pay should be more so it attracted men..I mean 1) only raise the pay to attract men? not reward the women already working in the job 2) there is a gender imbalance in most jobs where there is a lack of women in high paying, high level jobs but there is a job without men…CRISIS….garr sorry still annoyed
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It’s the first I’ve heard of a single employment situation where the lack of men has been likened to a crisis.
However we (females) have plenty of areas that our own institutions are fighting to have better representation.
Teaching is important because roughly half of the students are boys but 80% of teachers are women, and it could be argued that it is important to have men there for boys.
I know having a male teacher has been a blessing for our son.
I would call it a crisis as the numbers a pulling farther and farther away.
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Pffft.
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I think the governement’s new ads on “knowing where the line is” didn’t really work in this instance did it?
Can I ask parents (cause I’m not one) – do you find you need to specifically talk to your teenage kids about how to respect yourself, treating other’s when you feel degraded etc more these days?
I personally can’t recall having those convos with my parents, but then the internet wasn’t really that big when I was a teen, so the damage to both ourselves and to others wasn’t so catastrophic.
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I wish Mia would just delete this whole post and let the News just cover the facts.
This kid may well be reading all this and Mia has opened her up to a whole other forum of abuse.
Mia is a Mum. Imagine how she would feel right now if her daughter was the subject of this forum?
No one is immune to waking up one day and finding out their child is in serious trouble. I sincerely hope that never happens to Mia or anyone else here. But if it does, pray no one plays games with the situation by using it to create movement on their website.
If that is not what you are doing here Mia, please tell us what good you thought might come of this post, because so far I see none.
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I do understand your post Simone but this girl has talked and talked to the media and has opened up the floodgates for criticism herself. If she had not taken these actions herself then I would fully support not reading a post like this on a site like Mamamia but she has. 17 or not she has opened herself up to these criticims. I am not in any way defending the AFL or these players, but not knowing fully what transpired between this girl and these players I can’t 100% understand her current actions either. I enjoy coming to this site for the fun, trivial posts and those that are more serious. I don’t think Mis needs to justify her reaons for writing on such a controversial topic.
I will say that I am disgusted at the media who did not show the same respect to Lara Bingle as they have towards these football players.
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The players she is trying to drag through the mud have Mums too – why should this nasty girl get excused and the guys not?
This “kid” has done all the going to the media and publishing photos herself. If she wants to put herself out there, she can deal with the consequences. And that includes the rest of her family, including her parents, not speaking to her as has been reported. It also includes being talked about and judged for her actions on the internet and in other media.
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Hey Kris2040, I’ve been following your comments on footballer matters for a while and invariably they are skewed towards defending players against the ‘nasty girls’. In every thread, regardless of circumstances. Sadly, this is indicative of a popular stance where a footballer is supported by the popular majority no matter what.
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I’ve been thinking about that too, actually. Can anyone say that those of us saying the girls involved have had their complaints upheld or proven to be right? What have been the outcomes of the accusations?
This case is a bit different, though, you must admit – she’s openly said in the media that she’s doing it for revenge and doesn’t appear to care who she drags down with her. Pretty nasty in my book.
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but she has tried to be heard for six months. media refused her, afl refused her and the police had sex with her. Apparently it is ok to get a 16 year old pregnant and then call her a whore. The foot ballers are not innocent.They just have more power and better lawyers
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She was in the media earlier in the year though. It is still a shitty way to go about things either way.
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I find it unusual that right from the get-go the media have been unsympathetic to this girl, let alone not even neutral. Right from the start she was portrayed as a stalker, a pyscho, a groupie who deserved what she got. And this was well before all the recent stuff. When she went to Adelaide to confront the supposed father of the baby there wasn’t one outlet that went with the angle of ‘pregnant teenager abandoned by alleged footballer father several years her senior’ it was all ‘stalker girl shows up at hotel and gets laughed at by everyone’.
I think she has behaved appallingly, no doubt about it and it takes two to tango, even at 16/17 but the media coverage of this girl has been heavily biased from the start. What gives because even though AFL players are a protected species somewhat there has been sympathetic coverage given to ‘wronged’ girls in the past.
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The girl is posting video’s live and wanting people to comment on the videos and she also gave her mobile # out and is answering the calls from complete strangers whilst filming herself.
So if she is reading this she will probably find the comments on this blog have been some of the kinder one’s overall that I have seen (especially compared to her own personl twitter and video accounts – the comments are really nasty on those)!
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Hey Simone P,
As I mentioned in a reply to another comment (scroll down) we did indeed debate whether or not to post about this story.
But ultimately, we felt that it raised some wider issues about privacy, social media, celebrity, exploitation and sex that are pretty fundamental in 2010 whether you’re famous or not.
We chose to protect the girl’s identity by not publishing – or allowing others to publish – her name. But we are not her mother.
She is 17 years old and she is taking a very aggressive attitude towards self-promotion with this story.
There are certain consequences that come with that and I don’t believe it is the role of the media to protect this girl any more than we already are from the consequences of her actions.
If she were 10 years old? Or 14? If she was trying to keep her identity secret? If the nude photos had been of her instead of released by her? They would all be entirely different scenarios.
But the facts of this story remain that she has – and still is – actively pursuing media coverage.
I am actually incredibly proud of the quality of comments on this post. We have had to delete only a couple out of nearly 250 comments. On other websites, the comments (about all parties) are appalling.
The MM readers have yet again shown themselves able to discuss a controversial issue with sensitivity, intelligence and respect.
Go team.
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Speaking of her ‘actively pursuring media coverage’ she just tweeted where she is going to be to get some food – crazy! I am concerned about this girl…
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You’re following her on twitter!! Concerned, I don’t think so.
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Did you even read what I said cause you sure as hell have not responded to a word of it.
I would have appreciated an answer to my question ‘What good can come from this?’. Rather than just the predictable barrage of self defense.
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You might not have published her name, but isn’t that her face in the Twitter screen capture? That person has a remarkable resemblance to the girl who the news stations interviewed last night without showing her face…..
My opinion – both sides need to grow up. The footballers have to realise that what they used to get away with (both in treatment of this young lass and playing up on end of season benders) just can’t happen in this new digital age. The old adage “what happens on tour stays on tour” is a thing of the past. As for the young lady, yelling out at the top of every building hoping someone will take notice isn’t getting her anywhere
She needs some help!
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The staff didn’t debate hard enough at the team meeting. It does come across as, “heads” we drop the matter, “tails” we warm up the deep fat fryer.
Tails won.
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The girl has a formspring, which incase you don’t know what it is is a public profile accessible to anyone where you can post anonymous questions to her. A profile which I’m confident is receiving more vicious and insulting comments than anyone has posted on her.
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The news? PLEASE the NEWSPAPERS ARE COVERING IT UP AND PROTECTING THE PRECIOUS AFL PLAYERS. do you believe everything you read in the news?
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Why hasn’t anyone shifted this discussion to asking why on earth a group of men are naked in a hotel room together taking photos of each other and are supposedly straight??
And for goodness sake, don’t tell me ‘footballers do this’…..no matter who they are – it is still bizarre and weird.
If my partner spent a night in a hotel room naked with a bunch of mates I would (a) hit the roof and (b) seriously question his sexuality….
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Exactly, I always think there is an aura of homosexuality around football (any code) teams. Not that theres anything wrong with that, but they always deny it. Just be what you are guys, you like playing football, sometimes shagging ladies and sometimes team mates too. So bleeding obvious. Just like Carrie Fisher’s recent comments about John Travolta (google it) nobody cares about sexuality, as long as you stop constantly fibbing.
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I did a straw poll of my male gay mates and none of them sit around in hotel rooms takes pictures of each others wangs!
This is juvenile behaviour, not the behaviour of grown responsible adults.
Sexuality, gay or straight, has nothing to do with this. There is a culture in football (rugby and AFL) that says group sex and group sexuality is a good thing, a normal thing. There’s also seemingly a culture that says its ok to have sex and group sex at that with girls under the age of 18.
Just completely bizzare. Need to take some more straw polls of my straight male friends and see if it’s something they get up to with their mates.
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You say that as though we should all be appalled at any potentially homosexual antics =S
Let’s roll with what you’ve said, for the sake of argument.
There are gay men who play football.
Okay, now what? Surely you’re not suggesting we vilify them for their sexuality?
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I find taking naked picture of your friends bizarre, but I don’t think it reflects on their sexuality really. And even if it does, who cares? That is a whole other issue and one for every person to deal with in their own time.
It’s not at all relevant to this story IMO.
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Who cares? That’s their own business if they like to get naked in front other blokes. Homophobic much?
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you also have to remember these boys are used to running around nude in front of each other. Ever seen the showers in a locker room? No individual stalls just one big shared space. After seeing your team mates nude on match day- it would be weirder to try and cover up if you were sharing a room. Being comfortable in your own skin does not equal homosexuality.
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I’m trying to reserve my judgment on a seventeen year old kid. Nothing worse than reading a bunch of adults call her slut, whore and the like yet it’s perfectly acceptable for players to impregnate a girl eight years their junior. Rather than discuss that people will infer she’s lying. I certainly think the AFL would have looked into any pregnancy and dispelled of any rumours if it were untrue. I actually recall receiving an email when this initially came out that almost seemed like it had been concocted by an inside source designed to discredit her suggesting that police had investigated her and found she had sex with nineteen players over two months. Please. Even if it were the case people immediately label her not the supposed nineteen adults passing around a high school girl.
Meanwhile the players are surrounded by doting chauvinistic sports journalists, clubs, a well oiled AFL spin machine and adoring fans. I don’t condone her actions but these guys are simply protecting each other because if the truth came out about their infidelities and tastes in the bedroom they’d lose their credibility, possible sponsorships and memberships and I am not just talking about players.
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It’s my understanding that when she had relations with the two footballers in Scandal Number 1 (the pregnancy) she had misrepresented herself as being over 18 and the she worked at the Aus Institute of Sport. Given the way she represents herself on her Twitter and Formspring accounts, I think they would have been justified in thinking she was indeed over 18. So if those rumours about 19 HAD been true, they wouldn’t have been “passing around a schoolgirl” because they had no reason to think that’s what they were doing.
So I don’t think we SHOULD be judging the footballers in this case (whether this is 19 players or just the first 2) – at the time, they had no idea she was a schoolgirl and she certainly didn’t look or act like one. This wasn’t men preying on a young girl, it was a young girl misrepresenting herself to have sex with older men.
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Passing around a 19-year-old isn’t exactly blameless.
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neither is trying to bag as many football players as you can.
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I was referring to the fact that supposedly their behaviour is excused by the fact that they thought she was 19 – as if it’s OMG wrong!! if they knew she was 17, but yeah, goodonyamaaate!! if they thought she was 19.
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Why isn’t it blameless? Why should we restrict the sexual freedom of consenting adults? What people do to get off is their business, not ours.
As long as a woman is consenting, it is just as fair to judge her for promiscuity and sexual deviance as it is to judge the men involved. Not that I’m necessarily saying that we should judge them for that, but it seems like that’s what you were getting at when you were saying it wasn’t blameless.
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Exactly. While we may want to pass judgement that ‘passing her around’ etc was wrong, it’s a moral judgement and nothing more as she was over the age of consent (and misrepresenting herself to be even older than her actual age, at that). So yes- even though she’s younger than them, they players who shagged her did nothing illegal.
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Yes, but there are consequence for having sex with teenage girls – as we are now seeing. Immaturity, especially emotional immaturity in being unable to cope with rejection. The footballers involved made a poor decision and now are reaping the rewards. Girls are often told “if you play with fire…” Well, it goes both ways.
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Shagging a bunch of different blokes consensually over a period of time doesn’t equal the blokes passing someone around. It is possible to shag a different bloke every night or weekend – I’ve done it, and there was no way that the guys I was with were “passing me around”. It was my choice. I however wouldn’t get all nasty like this chick and make private stuff public.
Girls aren’t always innocent little victims, yet when we point this out we get shouted down that the footy players should have more respect, apparently check ids. Guess what? Girls can be just as predatory and a LOT more nasty about it than guys.
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I’m certainly not suggesting she’s innocent or a victim or “poor her” but I won’t be joining the “slut” witch hunt. There is a particular type of footballer who sees no issue with passing other girl’s details around to other players. If they’re all happy about it who cares but I have known people who weren’t entirely impressed about their mobile numbers being shared around when they had been involved with one player only.
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This chick really doesn’t seem to fall into that camp! She’s actively talking up who she has got off with, but many here seem to jump to the “footballers are all arseholes” argument and it isn’t true.
I don’t think she’s a “slut” – Like I said, I’ve done similar myself. I don’t care what people do when they’re consenting parties, but I think she completely lacks any class by being so open about it, and if she’s copping it and feeling it, she deserves it. She’s not some poor little misguided girl, she knows exactly what she’s doing and is continuing with it.
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Herald Sun today reports that Channel Seven is unpopular for showing the pictures, and also broadcasting ‘details of two players’ drug use from stolen medical files’. The argument is that because Seven are being such big fat meanie party poopers they might/should/will lose football broadcasting privileges.
Surely Julian Assange would be proud of channel seven and this random chick for exposing some grotty truths about our good ol Aussie rules blokes.
Whatever the ultimate truth is in the whole debacle (but frankly, I wouldn’t know who any footballers were if they didn’t so constantly publicly embarrass themselves)… these players need better education and/or support from the AFL to try and change this football culture; that is, a disgusting boys club where debauchery is expected and normal social rules don’t apply.
Whilst my feeling is (not from any evidence but, you know, ‘vibe’) that this girl might be spilling half truths and just crying out for attention, the photos are real and they expose a dark side of the AFL which keeps coming out but is continuously hushed up. I don’t have kids, but if and when I do they’ll be playing tennis and netball… Good kids get ruined by the culture of this national sport.
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Tennis: Demir Docic, netball: total knee reconstructions. I think every sport at the elite level has its dark side. Maybe society needs to realise that these people are just people and not the heroes that we and the media make them out to be.
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Um, the photos are in a private room with really no other participants involved except the players. Big brother had more sex and nudity than these photos. How they show footballs “dark side” I have no idea. No one else but the players were involved, no one was being abused or denigrated except the players who now have been dragged into this by a vicious girls revenge plot.
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I agree. I don’t care what anyone gets up to in private as long as no one is being hurt. I don’t see how it is revealing a “dark side” either.
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Fair enough. All good points. The photos aren’t ‘dark’ so much as indicative of the boys club culture which makes me sick. I just get a bit angry with all the hero worship and then all the bad behaviour. It sits very badly with me. For the record I think the young girl has behaved very badly as well. I’m judgy-wudgy on all parties.
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You know what they need. A job. When I was a teenager football players played the game on the weekend and during the week they actually had to earn a living.
That’s how we grow to be responsible members of society, not by being paid outrageous amounts of money due to good hand/eye coordination.
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YESSS!! Completely agree.
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Good luck, love. You have stirred up an mighty s*it storm but you, my dear, are going to pay very dearly for this. Not surprised your parents wont talk to you. What an embarassment you must be to them.
She seems to be annoyed to be given the brush off by a few guys…um, love, I know you are only 17, but it’s never to soon to learn that groupies and starf*ckers are disposbale. If you don’t treat yourself with any respect, why should anyone else? You’ve certainly got their attention now though. Hope Mummy and Daddy have big enough bank accounts for the lawsuits coming your way!
Other than that, hope this incident is enough to show a few guys that playing around with young girls is a receipe for distaster. They might look adult but they really are children..go play in big kids pool.
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Yep. If she wants to play with the big kids, she needs to harden up and learn to roll with the punches. If she can’t handle it, get out of the sandpit, honey.
Been some interesting comments here – “She’s young and immature” “I understand her wanting revenge”. Nick Riewoldt has stated categorically he has never had contact with this chick. Fair enough the photos do look posed, but that is one pissed off bloke, and I don’t blame him at all. What is the point of hurting other people because she’s had the brushoff from other guys that they are involved with for footy?
If she’s being this calculating so young, and working it the way she is, does anyone truly believe she’s just young? I think she’s just a nasty piece of work starting young.
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Totally agree with you. This girl is a bunny boiler!
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I’d be hiding the canary as well as the bunny.
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I kind of agree- BUT groupies are still people and shouldn’t be used by older,more mature men. No one likes to be made to feel used and degraded. Doesn’t excuse her behaviour mind you.
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No one likes to feel used and abused.. Girls dont put yourself in the situation to begin with. You are totally to blame if you wake up from a strangers bed and feel a little disprespected. YOur choice ladies
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no no no
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Spida is that you?
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natasha…i agree! some girls find themselves in this situation, fair enough, after making bad judgement calls, influenced by alcohol etc. but this girl actively pursues footballers so fair to say she made her bed, let her sleep in it.
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Fairly obvious she is lying about taking the photos: http://www.limboclub.com/forum/showpost.php?p=448350&postcount=339
The girl needs help. I think her 17 year old brain couldn’t have even begun to understand what she was doing when she released those photos.
All photos have a date stamp don’t they (like, written in code embedded into the pixels- or something)? Can’t the players or the club use that to prove it was taken at the time they were in Miami, then she could be charged with theft, then sued for damages? …potentially anyway.
Oh dear.
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Excellent point.
I don’t really think there is any question the girl is telling untruths.
She’s very obviously quite messed up and I think must have experienced some recent trauma.
She’s doing the wrong thing by these players certainly and I feel very sorry for all the victims but what I’m overwhelmingly hearing from all this is a very loud cry for help.
She’s going about it entirely the wrong way of course.
But please people do not take nude pics do not be foolish and take responsibility for deleting etc images if taken.
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I had thought that too but but generally you need to set the time and date up on the camera. Often the original factory settings are months or years out.
It’s also fairly easy to change the metadata in nearly any photo editing or photo hosting site.
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In light of Mia’s recent judgement post, I’m curious to hear what people first thought when they saw the photo the un-named teenage girl uses for her twitter account…
I’ll confess, teenage-girl-posing-sensually-in-bikini “judgy wudgy” alarm bells started going off in my head. Unfair response? Legitimate? I don’t know this girl, who am I to judge?
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if i had naked photos taken of myself in a group setting and those photos got circulated about, i would blame myself.
when will these footy players learn to stay away from such young girls and keep their clothes on when they get drunk together??? seriously guys you are role models. keep you d*cks in your pants for a change and these scandals won;t keep occurring. simple as that.
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I think the interesting thing is that the players involved in this ‘scandal’ haven’t had anything to do with this girl. She is purely being malicious, taking revenge, etc. but on anyone involved in the AFL rather than the specific person who supposedly wronged her.
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When I was 16 I was fooling around with an older guy – as in, he was 27 and in a position of ‘influence’ over me with a lot of charisma. Nothing untoward happened in that I wasn’t raped, and it was all consenting. However, when I found out from somebody else that he had a girlfriend, I was very upset as I realised I was nothing more than a play toy and made sure I took the issue to a higher level. Looking back, I would have made a different decision and dealt with it in a different way, because all that was achieved was a lot of hurt for both of us.
This girl is obviously not emotionally mature enough to be making rational decisions or understanding the consequences of her actions. She has been through a lot and I’d imagine she really needs some form of counselling.
That said, I find it hard to be overly empathetic when she is continuing to behave in the manner she is. I just had a look on her twitter page and she’d filmed a couple of ustream videos. Interested, I took a look and her whole attitude was just incredible. The whole answering the phone while filming a video and finishing it with “I’m going to f*** these footballers up”.
She obviously feels wronged by someone but she’s not doing herself any favours for her credibility. I feel sorry for the guys who have been involved in the photos, and their girlfriends/families. But I also have to wonder why a 17 year old was allowed to be associated with that world and what kind of responsibility these players should be taking on when they are in their position. Perhaps some cultural change needs to occur there.
There’s lots of aspects to this story but I’m finding it increasingly hard to stomach the way this girl is going about getting herself heard.
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I wouldn’t call this story fascinating on any level. It’s all a bit yuc. The girl in question sounds very immature.
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wonder what happened to my nude photos…has anyone seen them?
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They arrived yesterday….inside the Christmas card !
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Grrrrr – they’re just naked bodies people!
I dont know why the men are nakeding up together -and I certainly don’t know why they have a minor in their midst but (and I’ve only seen the blanked out photos) they’re just penises…..
Definitely think that young girl needs a hell of a lot of support and guidance. Perhaps the AFL needs to consider a partners section, run by psychs, life coaches etc… so that these issues don’t need to get to this point. And young women don’t need to feel disrespected by the community as well as the individual. Just a thought…
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Call me Judgy Wudgy, but if my sweet little girl grew up and posted that picture and that tagline on her twitter page at age 17 I would want to cry.
Fairly irrelevant to the topic, but I can’t help saying it.
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If my sons grew up and, after being given opportunities galore in celebration of their talents, paid me back for taking them to footy practice every week and telling them how wonderful they are, by getting on the drugs, shagging teenage girls and generally behaving like degenerates … I would want to cry too.
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If I had a sweet little boy I might have written this too!
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Very disappointed you chose to post about this. Total gutter journalism. Appalling.
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Lucky this is not a primarily a news or ‘journalistic’ site then.
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Every major Australian news site has reported on it.. does that make them all “total gutter journalism”?
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I feel sad for her. Very, very sad.
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Let the slutshaming begin! Oh wait…
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And I haven’t seen any of the photos published in the mainstream media – unlike Lara Bingle. Wonder why? Hulking double standard I’d say.
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FWIW a few internet sleuths have done some research and found that the hotel the photo of Riewoldt and Dawson was taken in is indeed in Miami – Delano Hotel South Beach.
Don’t know about the other photo but its looking more like the question is why does Sam Gilbert like taking photos of his teammates wangs?!
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Perhaps a homosexual “scandal” behind all of this?
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Know nothing about the story, the people, the photos – have deliberately stayed away from it all. Instead of answering the ‘click of the mouse’ part of the question Mia poses can I throw in one angle so far not represented?
She’s a teenager – neurologically her brain hasn’t finished developing (read: http://www.scholastic.com/headsup/pdfs/NIDA7-PTG%20Bk-worksheet1.pdf) and the last paths to be laid are those that assist us to make what others might construe as sound decisions. Her actions must be seen in that light.
Someone earlier posed the question ‘where are her parents?’ – some kids aren’t so fortunate as to have nurturing, protective parents who assist their kids to make rational sound decisions in their critical teen years – whether she falls into that category I don’t know. Just saying.
Poor kid. I hope she finds some good mentors who can help her navigate through this period in her life. Turn the spotlight away now – let her pick up the pieces of her (teenage) life.
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It always worries me when I see kids trying to be so sexy. Being used by footballers as a play thing and having no value beyond there sexual ability and looks. We all know the type. I wish men would get that by treating these types like cheap entertainment they are damaging them. She is 17=just a kid.
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it might also be worth noting that many footballers, especially new recruits are just teenagers themselves….
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But isn’t that what all kids want? Or say they want?!
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FINALLY! someone with some real insight. Sad that this has to be picked up by every media parasite looking for a hit on their website.
A bit more regard for the kid involved in this , who has been through hell and has done this as a last resort to try and get some attention to her plight.
I heard her interviewed on the ABC yesterday morning and when questioned about her parents, her reply was “They’re not talking to me”. How sad that she is going through all this with not even the support of Mum and Dad. Makes me sad.
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She said on the ABC that she was in contact with two lawyers…surely they would be advising her about the implications of ignoring a Federal Court injunction and advising her about Aus defamation laws?
If she had released photos of the guys she was involved with, I may have had a bit of a LOL. But intentionally trying to ruin the reputation of people who had nothing to do with her being “disrespected”? That seems just a tad unfair.
I also find it a little sad (not sad as in pathetic, but sad as in…you know, sad) that people seem to find this okay because other footy players have wronged women in the past. Why should one otherwise innocent (well, if we believe him, which I do) person be punished for the wrongful acts of others?
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Mamamia… you reached an all time low today by indulging in this topic. I have no respect for Mia anymore. I thought she was a journalist. Not someone leeching nasty divisive stories that should be left to real journos who may try to actually report constructively.
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Oh come on, I’m sure the ‘real journos’ have better things to write about than some exposed wangs…
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Rather than engaging in judgement on any of the aggrieved parties in this incident, Mia has asked her readers to critique the social implications of the situation. She has pleaded for high minded comment, rather than shameful attack.
I do not perceive this as reflecting badly on Mia’s professionalism in anyway, rather the contrary.
Should contributors seek to restrict discussion only to tasteful topics?
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which would be fine if the topic in question was one that had issues worthy of high minded comment… struggling to see what they are here, its not privacy, that seems clean cut given it was stored and distributed without consent and there is an injunction in place that supports that, and its not the mental state of this girl, which really should not be debated here given she is not a high profile person, so whats left – what Nick looks like naked??
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Yeah – the privacy issue seems clear cut, but I think there’s a lot more worthy of discussion in this story.
I think the culture of football as it stands is disgraceful and that for a young girl to go to these kind of lengths to expose ANYTHING that might make her feel better about some of the choices she’s made is nothing short of tragic. If you think the issue starts and ends with a fairly unremarkable picture of a penis then you’re missing the larger social implications of not only this issue, but all the others we’ve seen like it in recent years. I think it is a really good one to discuss because it asks people to think beyond ‘its just a naked bloke’… What if she were my kid? what if he were my kid? Who’s side would I be on? There’s problems everywhere.
Aside from all that – it also teaches a very valuable lesson on how ‘stupid for a minute’ can turn into ‘never ending humiliation’ in this cyber age we live in.
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you have a point but at the centre of this is a humiliated man who has done absolutly nothing wrong and a vulnerable and confused girl, therefore what value is there to this story being discussed? That footballer might be famous and therefore the story is available to everyone but the exact same situation happens in schools (cyber bullying / cyber revenge) etc, it is not a football only issue. To discuss one case in such a public forum is not helpful… I would of loved to see mamamia post a more generic piece on the new realms of having ‘your’ image posted where you dont want it, 20 years ago it wouldnt have been possible. I dont miss the wider social implications, I just object to the discussion being centered around this horrible case.
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Discussion of bullying in both specific cases and general terms in a public forum is helpful in that it highlights the social implications. Most cases are indeed horrible.
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Ah, the ‘not-a-real-journalist’ accusation. Was only a matter of time….
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Goodness you must have to develop a pretty thick skin to run this site.
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If you were paid $10 every time someone made that accusation here, it would be a valuable source of site revenue.
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As in you knew you had it coming? Can’t imagine why…………..
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latest news is that the real photographer has come clean saying he took the pictures. For me, the blame lays with him…can’t help thinking some opportunism to cash in on your mate is at play here. Sad indictment really on the mentality of some people.
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This is what is being reported now
“The AFL and police interviewed the teenager when she was a student, and decided not to take action “as no unlawful activity had occurred”.
So Mia, don’t you think that this post should be removed? You are furthering the story that this man should be judged and his life ruined when even the police have said there is no case?
I find it repulsive that you are happy to drag this guys name through mud when clearly the law does not think he is gulity.
This post is in very very poor taste. Not really the type of post you should be doing 4 days before Christmas.
I am disapointed in this site today for a number of reasons including this post and the other one you took down.
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What a complete load of rubbish. Where in this whole post does Mia drag anyone’s name through mud?
“How do you protect your reputation and image when the click of a mouse can wreck untold damage?”
Maybe read the post again after you have taken a chill pill.
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Haha, I agree Tessy! This is clearly just another St Kilda fan with an axe to grind. It must be so disappointing to follow their club but seriously, they can’t get angry everytime something newsworthy springs from their club and the media responds. Of course they respond.
And 4 days before Xmas?
Omg. Get over it, girlfriend! The media doesn’t stop for the holidays!
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you are wrong in so many ways with your attack on me. I don’t live in Melbourne, could not name two AFL teams or NRL teams for that matter. I am writing from the perspective of someone who witnessed someone I know have to deal with a similar situation based on false accusations from someone who was just vindictive. he was innocent of everything she said but mud sticks. want to know what happened to him? three days after he won his court case against her he committed suicide, leaving behind a pregnant wife. so by all means gossip away and say what you want about this football player, clearly you don’t care that behind his football name he his a real person who will forever be impacted by these actions. but so long as you have something to gossip about that makes it all ok I guess. obviously there is nothing more important in the world to be discussing.
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Hey Valentina,
I appreciate your point of view but this story is a legitimate news story and raises some extremely interesting and – yes – controversial issues.
Nowhere in this post was any accusation made by MM against the St Kilda players. Instead, we thought it raised a different view in fact, the idea of players themselves being exploited or subject to ‘revenge’ actions or whatever this turns out to be.
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thanks for taking the time to respond Mia. I appreciate it. I guess the point I was trying to make is, imagine this was being said about your husband, would you want this being discussed in a forum like this? people tend to forget that famous people are still someones husband, son, bother etc
Also not being snarky but just because “everyone else” is talking about this story doesn’t mean you can’t take the high ground and not continue the vicious media cycle. Just my opinion. Merry Christmas
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What other one?
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Ps Mia/Nicky/Lana… I can’t seem to get the notify me of follow-up comments thing working. I can tick the box but can’t put an email in the box?
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I can never edit/delete my comments, either. I used to be able to but for the last week or so haven’t been. While we’re on the tech side of things, any advice??
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I can tick and write in the box but the follow-up comment messages aren’t coming into my inbox. I’m not really sure why.
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wont you let me know what browser you are using and what version of that browser. Hopefully we can fix that quick smart xx
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Hi,
I’m not %100 if you meant me but my browser is:
Firefox 3.6.13.
Thanks!
xo
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Thanks anonymous aged 15 – yup all tech issues can come to me and we can try and sort them
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I use Safari 5. Thanks Lana
Merry Christmas xx
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Which other post was taken down?
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Not entirely sure, but I get a list of links to Mamamia’s posts via an RSS feed on Google Reader. There was one today that I clicked on but it said that the webpage did not exist, and I later couldn’t find it on the website, so I presume that was the post. It was entitled something like ’12 things you should not think about while masturbating’.
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It was the ’15 things NOT to think about while you are masturbating’ one. LOL!
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I don’t understand why people are outraged this story is being covered by Mia, it is a current event? That is being extensively covered by the news? Why is it surprising or offensive that it would be covered on this blog? It’s not like she is condoning the actions of either party in this story.
And how is his life ruined?? He has apparently done nothing wrong except for being stupid enough to pose for nude photos.
Maybe this will serve as a lesson to future players, photos are forever.. don’t let people take a photo of your doodle if you don’t want to see it on the net at a later date. Just keep it in your pants people!
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Took the words right out of my mouth because I’m to tired to attempt a coherent sentence of my own! To those offended- see the byline “What Everyone’s Talking About”.
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Damn, I’m hearing so much about this masturbation post. I really wish I hadn’t missed it.
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Forgetting about the “right” or the “wrong” in all of this (because who among us can really say which is which?), I feel a little bit sorry for this girl. Just hear me out…
Has she behaved in an appropriate manner by publishing these pictures? Probably not. But what I see is a very angry girl who is very, very hurt. Add in a (possible) paternally disrespected/unacknowledged pregnancy followed by a no-doubt traumatic stillbirth and you have some very raw emotions. Keep in mind that she is a teenager and with all the willfulness, melodrama and turmoil that teenage girls are best at she has responded. She wants to be acknowledged, vindicated.
So yes, I feel pity for her. I’m not saying that she is completely innocent in any of this, in any sense of the word, just that she must be in a bad place for this to seem like a good path to take. And she doesn’t even realise it. Yet.
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mmmm – pity her lack of dignity, but still believe she knows exactly what she is doing in wilfully publishing these pictures. The worst thing is that when the AFL season kicks off, any ‘wrong doing’ on the part of the players will be forgotten and where will she be? Time to regain some dignity and move on….
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My do these boys keep taking photos of each other naked?
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Interesting perspective…
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx?blogentryid=763091&showcomments=true
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well well well, the shoe is on the other foot now… and yet all the focus seems to be on her.. never mind the fact that footballers have been circulating images of girls without their consent for years. That’s not to defend what this girl has done… no one should ever have a photo circulated without their consent- but my, my, quite the double standard.
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Well said I could not agree more. Thanks for clarifying exactly what I thought.
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I’ve never heard of a footballer going on facebook and twitter and releasing photos of girls exposed without their consent?
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I work with footballers. And they may not make the images public to all but they certainly pass them round the teams. And in many cases also send them on to people outside the AFL or NRL. They also do post online but unless the girl is famous its’ not going to get any media attention- its treated as just another girl getting her tits out for the boys…
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It was only a matter of time before camera phones affected sports people again…
Regardless of whether there is any truth to these particular allegations or not, we’re all aware that footballers can’t seem to help themselves from getting into trouble like this.
No phones. No cameras. If you can’t behave yourself.
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is reiwolt the new bingle?
No, he is a male and a footballer, this will be in the news for a while and once the footy starts again as long as the Saints are doing well everyone will let it go.
Bingle has lost alot of support even though she was the victim of an obviously unwanted photo being taken, but it was a footballers photo and so all the blame was on her.
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I know it’s already been said, but I’ll say it again. Don’t walk around naked when others are in the room if you don’t want your photo taken. I don’t understand the mentality that drives people to gather together naked and take photos of each other??? Of course the photo will be passed around, especially if you are well known.
Shouldn’t the player who took the original photo also apologise?
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Definitely.
Especially considering he told Riewoldt that it had been deleted.
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From Lara Bingle to Riewoldt’s dingle….doesn’t make me tingle !
Better left between the pages of NW, I think.
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Totally!!
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cant believe you have published this, it left a bad taste in my mouth this morning and it still does now… thought mamamia might have skipped stories like this.
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PS no seriously…. what are you publishing this for, it disgustas me that the media have let this run, as it was with Lara Bingle. Its about respecting someones personal privacy and not stripping them of dignity which has already been done against their will.
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We did actually debate in the office whether or not to publish. In the end, we decided that we had published a post about Lara Bingle and that this was similar with a notable difference – it was the footballers who were the subject of leaked photos, not the footballers doing the leaking.
We thought this raised very interesting questions about sexting, social media, privacy and celebrity. All issues worth exploring.
We were – and are – very mindful of not opening up a post for the purpose of anyone being abused. And we’re watching comments very closely for this reason.
But if Mamamia’s ethos is a safe place for discussion about relevant, interesting topics…..this fell into that category….
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In this instance I disagree with the mamamia team, Im sorry but as you say it was already debated on this site and I feel as though the writing of this piece is not in the same theme as that of the lara bingle one, that seemed to be more of a grey area as Lara actually knew the person who took the photo and was having an affair at the time, and both were high profile stories(therefore somewhat more news worthy to some), and therefore the debate around privacy was more complex. sorry mia but this piece just feels a bit gossipy and a bit unneccessary given the issue of privacy has been debated here (and I appreciated the oportunity to discuss that around the lara case) and also this is different, Nik revoult clearly states he never knew this girl and therefore it is pure malice. Not a high profile footballer texting around his conquest as was the case with Lara bingle. To publish it here is to give a malicious story more airtime. I appreciate you all might disagree but I always felt the reason to post certain stories here was based on the debate of the issue as oppossed to just running it because its a close match to another less than savoury story.
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I will just articulate why it feels gossipy… “has anyone seen the photos?” What did you want to know? “we promise not to post naked pics of you if you become our friend of FB?” are you hoping said girl will become a friend?
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The footballer in question gave a press conference this morning. Should the media have refused to attend and report what he said?
Given that this would be contrary to the POINT of having a press conference, I don’t think Nick Riewoldt would have wanted that.
We are posting on a story that every other major news organisation in Australia is covering today.
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you have posted, as is your right. I am reminded of an interesting point that the young journalist made when you did the video interview regarding the comment K rudd made. She noticed those, and respected those, who didnt report on a story which was reported by most other agencies…. I personally feel this is adding to an already horrible situation for a young man who clearly has done nothing wrong. On a side issue can i make the point I refer to the mamamia team in respect of the recent distinction you made and may I also say that I can shout and throw things at the TV when channel 7 /9 choose certain stories, one thing I appreciate about Mamamia is at least an individuals thoughts and feedback are read by decision makers regardless of whether you agree or not.
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ps thats one happy chicky not anonymous!
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“We reported the Bingle scandal…so we decided to report the Riewoldt scandal”.
Does that mean that the “next” celebrity nudie/sexy/photo opportunistic scandal will also be given full coverage on this site ?
Now I’m waiting for someone from Mensa to intone with, “well you don’t have to read it”.
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“full coverage ”
If it involves Johnny Depp & Mia *doesn’t* report on it (with pictures), there will be complaints …
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Mia, it does raise “very interesting questions about sexting, social media, privacy and celebrity”. It also raises interesting questions about society, other media, football culture, adolescence and mental health. And because of the high standards you insist on for this site, it’s mostly not being discussed in a gossipy or intrusive way.
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this situation makes me sick!
I can tell you first hand that this person has caused a lot of trouble, angst and HURT for a lengthy period of time to a lot of people….
She is NOT the victim here, she is a menace, has been a stalker for a very lengthy period of time and done some horrible things to innocent people…
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Would you mind elaborating?
I’m really interested in what someone who knows her has to say about the situation.
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If they weren’t up to no good in the first place they’d have nothing to fear…
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I might be completely misreading what you’ve written (I’m tired so please correct me if I’m wrong)… but I really hope you’re not suggesting that your issue is that its of two men posing in a sexually provocative way? I don’t know if you meant “expect judgement” in the sense that why on earth did they let the photos be taken in the first place when they’re in the public eye… but I can’t help but hope that you didn’t mean that its not “normal behaviour” for two men to be naked together? If I have completely gotten the wrong end of the stick then my apologies just curious?
PS mamamia team I still can’t post my email
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I don’t understand your post.. why is it up to you to decide what is ‘normal behaviour’ between friends, social cirlces or other just because you choose not to do anything like that?
From the other side I could just as easily say you will be judged and can expect judgement for being uptight, close-minded or boring.
I think you’ll find that ‘amongst society’ there are all sorts and you can have things not only both ways but plenty of ways. The respect should come from your friends in taking care and not sharing private information.
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I know it’s not right…but I still can’t help but feel…good on her in a way? Time and time again it’s been proven that sportsmen get away with the most appalling behaviour and I can understand her desire for revenge.
As I said, I KNOW it’s not right…and yet I still understand it, and in a way think, about time.
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My only question is WHERE ARE HER PARENTS?????
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Last time I asked that question (re a different very troubled young woman) the answer was: Her dad’s in prison for stabbing her mum to death. Seriously.
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Her byline on twitter is “Athlete.|Model. sex.love.fashion.power.fame. beautiful.fast.hot.smooth.strong.” – I don’t think this is a girl that has being raised well – isn’t she still underage?
This is a girl who is trying to find fame and notoriety. Does she realise that this is going to reflect far worse on here than it will on the St Kilda players?
Weren’t we all told that growing up that two wrongs don’t make a right? This is a very poor decision.
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She’ll end up as a contestant on “Dancing With The Stars”, for sure !
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Ah, you could almost put money on that Bradley!
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