by KATE LEAVER
If you’ve ever heard the sound of a mother who has just lost her child, you’ll never forget it. I’ve heard that sound – primal, harrowing, hollow, desperate, unlike anything I’ve heard before or since – on several occasions in my life. I can hear it, as I write this.
In my final year of school, a friend of mine died. Klara – who was sweet, ambitious, funny, and almost impossibly gorgeous – was crushed by the only tree that fell in a 500km radius during a storm, while we were supervising younger students on a school camp. I was wearing her flip-flops when we were told she’d been killed; I’d borrowed them to totter along in my pajamas for an emergency meeting.
We were bundled on buses and hurried back to school, where bereaved parents waited – uncomfortably, next to a mob of TV crews. An always-composed teacher boarded the bus on our arrival, coaching us urgently in how to deal with the media: “Keep your heads down, don’t say a thing, don’t make eye contact, walk quickly.”
How perverse, I thought, to be so abruptly in the gaze of the news. Why was my grief newsworthy? What right did these reporters have, harassing a group of terrified teenage girls – most as young as 13, a few of us 17? Surely it wasn’t right, it couldn’t be legal, for news crews to bait us and call out to us as we hurried towards our anxious families.
There was footage that night of me descending the bus steps, sullen-faced, eyes downcast, bewildered by the presence of the media so soon after losing a friend I’d known most of my life. There were photographs of my friends, distraught, crying without stopping to breathe, huddled in small groups for support. Photographers had chased them up a hill, trying to best capture the worst moments of their teenage lives. It was perverse, and disturbing. It was scary, and uniquely intrusive.
I later found out crews had been to the campsite too, a few hours outside of Sydney. They’d climbed up to where her tent had been – quite a walk – to film close-ups of her discarded sneakers. Why were they there, why was this necessary, who had commissioned these people to scavenge around in the bush for emotive footage?
Thankfully, no media were in time to film the impromptu vigil ten of us had, holding hands in a circle, trying to find the words to say goodbye. For that, we were very much alone.
That same year, in a “What do you want to do when you grow up?” conversation with the principal of my school, I vowed never to be a part of that mob, waiting to pounce on tragedy in the name of News.
Yet, here I am: a journalist. I’ve had nightmares, woken up sweaty and confused, playing out an unconscious scenario in which my job requires me to chase an ambulance. It troubles me, more often than I can say, that the privacy of the bereaved is not protected or enforced.
I thought of Klara’s exquisite, warm, wonderful, kind mother (who I still keep in touch with, and think of most days) when I read about Linda Goldspink-Lord’s experience with reporters the day her daughter Molly died in a freak quad bike accident.
In a Facebook message to Channel 7, Linda Goldspink-Lord’s shamed journalists for hovering in a helicopter and trespassing on her property with cameras, despite being asked to leave five times. The post was removed from Channel 7’s Facebook page (a rookie error in dealing with social media – it’s an implicit media rule: remove a social media post and feel the wrath of a public very quickly, and rightfully, defensive about their right to speak).
Now, I don’t know the reporter who entered Linda’s property. I don’t know who was in the pilot’s seat of that chopper, hovering above Linda as she cradled her daughter Molly’s corpse. I haven’t seen the footage. I don’t know Linda, or her family. But I can hear the sound of her crying, and I feel fiercely protective of her – and her right to grieve in private.
The right to privacy in grief is so often stolen from people on the days of their rawest, greatest anguish. It’s been taken from me, it’s been taken from my dearest friends, it’s been taken from strangers who deserve time to grieve discreetly. Photographers are allowed to hound victims when they come out of court. It’s perfectly legal to point the butt of a camera into a victim’s face. Reporters are allowed to trespass on people’s property, camera crew in tow.
They’re the Paparazzi of the Tragedy-Stricken and I take grave issue with the way they operate. A cameo on Media Watch is not a powerful enough disincentive for this behaviour, apparently, because it continues. It’s not OK to defend behaviour like this – intruding on grief – by saying the public have the right to see this. The “public” is a collection of personal moments, each entitled to their privacy and if we can’t respect that, where do we stand?
I understand how news operates, and I know we can’t censor families grieving altogether. But there’s a distinct, vital difference between documenting public grief when it’s freely on display, and ignoring requests of privacy to get the footage you want. To enter someone’s private property against their request, scavenge around for interview subjects – preferably in tears, preferably distraught, preferably as fresh in their reaction to death as possible – is morally reprehensible, and unacceptable.
What troubles me most is what motivates the invasion of private grief. I can’t help but think it’s not in pursuit of truth. If it’s to get the right scoop, or beat another station in a ratings war, we need to re-evaluate the process of news-gathering. Sacrificing the dignity and privacy of a grieving mother to get the right footage, or advance a career, is not right.
Of course, many, many journalists conduct themselves with poise and integrity. It’s the few without scruples – as we’ve seen in the case of Linda and Molly – who compromise the whole prerogative and credibility of the profession.
I know superbly principled journalists who’ve gone door-knocking with the utmost respect and grace – Sarah Harris, for example, who wrote a beautiful piece for Mamamia. Or her colleague, police reporter Dimity Clancy. Look to these journalists for How To Do Journalism With Decorum. Sadly though, there are too many examples of reporters without such compassion or class.
I don’t know what to do, other than keep my own priorities in check. I don’t have the power to change what qualifies as newsworthy, and I don’t know how we can train journalists to identify boundaries. I don’t have the answers – all I can do today, is wonder aloud at the recurring trend of gross disregard for people’s pain.
I can only hope that Linda Goldspink-Lord’s experience is a cautionary tale for reporters, and a lesson in how absolutely necessary it is to respect a stranger’s right to grief in private.
Kate is a radio producer, writer and Goon Show enthusiast. You can find her website here, and follow her on Twitter at @Kateileaver.








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Definitely agree that a majority of journalists, reporters and photographers uphold high ethical standards – but those who push aside their stances in order to get a scoop or help win a ratings war should be met with consequences. The fact that it was the death of schoolgirl makes this sound more awful.
Intruding someone’s right to grieve is unacceptable. We’re a student run campaign looking at tackling this issue – protecting people’s right to grieve and from it being exploited by the media.
Please check us out at http://www.yourrighttogrieve.wordpress.com
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This should also apply to major catastrophes in third world countries. Unfortunately though, graphic images are often needed to fundraise urgent and immediate support. Still not right though.
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I wonder at the above comments. Sheeplike you all anxiously congratulate the author on her rather earnest, middle class tut-tutting. However none of you are particularly vexed by the fact that hundreds to thousands of dead or dying children were beamed into our living rooms during events such as the 2004 Boxing Day Tsunami coverage.Cameras honed in on small children and bloated bodies, mothers and fathers weeping, cradling their lost children. Media coverage of a group of ‘terrifiied teenage girls’ from a private school is ‘morally reprehensible’ yet somehow thousands of dead and dying Thai and Sri Lankan children and their families don’t rate a mention. This is Missing White Woman Sydnrome at its absolute worst. Like the quad bike, the tsuanmi was another tragic accident writ large. This article rather self-indulgent, and naively privileging the grief of western white families in our own backyard over the families of the hundreds of bodies we see lined up (some under sheets, some not) after civil wars, natural disasters and genocides across the globe. Alternatively, all things being equal, does the author then advocate a ban on media coverage of all parental grief? If so is this an ethically tenable position for the media to take given that sometimes things need to be seen to convey the gravity of an issue or situation? Does she extend her argument to an international stage? Or is it reserved to the families of young white girls in Australia. Interesting to note the author had no qualms sharing the details of the death of her friend and the following vigil with hundreds of anonymous readers.
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I totally agree. Over the past few years it’s become the norm to show dead bodies littering the atreets of war torn countries or after natural disasters. And I really did not want Saddam Husseins body beamed into my living room. Most days I read news online rather than watch it on tv, not just because I have young kids running about. I dont want to watch a lot of the graphic stuff.
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I have been unfortunate enough experience a good friend lose her 7 month old daughter in a tragic accident. At the funeral, even as a close friend, I felt as if I was invading her privacy as I watched her say goodbye to her daughter. I was gut wrenching and something I will never forget and hope to never experience again. I felt so uncomfortable I left early. The worst though was the phone call I received from a newspaper asking if I could provide details on this small babies death. When I asked where they got my number from it was the death notices billing information! After I refused to provide any information, the journalist pressed on with more questions and a quick, “I’m sorry for your loss”. How do you sleep at night when you are trawling children’s death notices for a story! My heart breaks for Molly’s family and all they have lost.
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Kate, thank you for that article. I also was on that camp you mention (I was one of the younger girls) and, like you, can remember the intrusion of the media and how overwhelming that was. I am also just starting to enter the journalism field and feel like discussions like these are really important as ethics should never be forgotten. Great article.
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Hi Alice,
Thank you for your message – I felt so protective of you that day, and I wish I somehow could’ve diverted the media while you all got off the bus. I’m so sorry you went through it, too. And if you ever want advice on media stuff… lemme know. xx
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Really well written, Kate. I went to the same school as you, and was in year 8 or 9 when Klara died, and remember coming back from camp in a daze, seeing all the media around and hoping they wouldn’t come up to me.
I really don’t think it’s appropriate for journalists to barge in on people’s grieving. I’ve seen footage of the type on the news and it only makes me, as the viewer depressed!
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Thank you, Miss H. I’m pleased you like it – and sad you were effected that day, too. Hope you’re doing well, you’d be well & truly out of school by now!
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Man! What a reality check. I was feeling very stressed with work today when this post just put it ALL into perspective. How horrible and something we don’t pay enough attention to in today’s 24/7 news cycle. I want to run home to my husband and little one for cuddles now! x
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Some how from all the comments I’ve read, this type of aggressive journalism is the majority and not the minority (as its most often written)! Esp when it comes to news crews that are sent to be first on the scene…
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Reading some of the stories is very sad, depressing, and in every way, just so invading. Esp. the one about the parents who’s child was on life support and “were approached by a film crew”, omg, as if you need that stress in that situation. If that had of been my husband, suffice to say, said camera and probably crew to boot, would have been thrown out the window.
Unfortunately, yes, i believe media has connections with police, or listen to police radio? as recently (and very tragically) a friend’s wife was killed in her driveway (her own car ran over her) in a freak accident. By the time the neighbour contacted police, they contacted the husband to come home, he was met with a street full of media and had to fight his way through police tape, and even then, couldn’t go to be with her, as it was a crime scene. She was pinned under the car for hours, whilst police photographers etc. did their job. but the media constantly tried to get a better angle, and film him. At such a devastating time, can we not be a little more understanding. I understand that the news needs to be reported, but seeing gruesome pics to accompany the stories is not necessary.
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I went to school and grew up with David Auchterlonie. My sister (age 7) is in the same class as his younger brother and my mum has become friendly with David’s step mother. They were absolutely hounded by the media, and news crews were on their doorstep before they could tell their three young boys about what had happened.
I hope I’m never in a situation like that. To have people invade you and your life so suddenly in such a delicate, scary time is torture. David’s family and friends are broken, and his parents always will be. It’s a disgrace that people do this to each other.
Rest in peace, David and Molly.
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If a news crew did this to my family and refused to leave the property after being asked then they would leave in a body bag. Sorry did you not see the sign saying trespassers will be shot?
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When my children were younger, a schoolmate of theirs died in a grain drowning ( a thankfully rare event and very rare for children). The community where this happened was tiny. I would like to know how the news organizations find out about these things. I would like to tell you how they got the parents to appear on the news THAT NIGHT. They played the “public service” card. They said, “You must tell your story so this won’t happen to other children, so other parents won’t go through what you are going through”. I can tell you, also that this child’s mother became increasingly angrier towards that news organization as time passed. I did demonstrate my disgust by not watching that night and I can tell you have not watched that commercial station’s news since.
There is no justification for that sort of trash reporting, the story can be told without that child’s name being mentioned and without his parents being interviewed. The “guess what, you can drown without going near the water” aspect of the story was apparently sickening.
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Some things that are reported are truly disgusting. One station just recently were reporting on the Lloyd Rayney trial. Not only were we told of the position her body was buried in, accompanied with a graphic, we were also told why her body would have been buried in that particular way. I was shocked, why does anyone need to know this?! All I could think of were her poor children who may have seen the report. The line needs to be drawn somewhere.
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I had four relatively close friends murdered in 1987. You caMaImagine the media surrounding this. But neither myself or any of the other 400 people at the funeral allowed their presence reflect the reason we were there. Quite frankly I did not even realize until we were on tv that night. We were in a zone that blocked out this, and yes it’s not nice but unfortunately it’s newsworthy. With reality tv it’s getting worse!
But at the end of the day, we all do what is right by ourselves and the people in our lives! No one can interfere if not permitted. The people that want to tell their stories will do so for their own reasons.
I would be surprised if the mum even heard the choppers. May her pain heal over time x
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@emmy just to clarify the part about ‘dont watch it’ was In response to a comment that both Laura and I were replying to that seems to have been pulled down. Didn’t mean it as a general comment to the forum!
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Great piece.
My poor dad was involved in a horrific workplace accident on Saturday. Whilst my family and I were in the emergency room while he was being worked on, not knowing what had happened to him or how he was, a news bite of the accident flashed up on the TV screen. They had footage of him being worked on by 4 paramedics and a doctor and being winched up by a fire crew. It just about broke my mother in pieces. Her first thought was that the accident had been fatal, or else why would it be newsworthy. I am just so thankful that none of the news crews turned up at the hospital.
As of today – he has taken a turn for the much better, he is awake for the first time since the accident.
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My uncle (my dad’s brother) died in a very high profile Australian tragedy in the late nineties. I was young (around 11 years old) and was always closer to my family on my mother’s side, so I was more in shock rather than truly grieving but the same can’t be said for my family members. It was horrible watching them go through what they did with the media.
I understand that the tragedy was news-worthy. I understand that people followed the story closely. I understand that Australia cared. And although hard to watch, I understand that his face and his story were on TV and in newspapers nearly every day for weeks, maybe months.
What I do not understand is why there was so much media interference at his FUNERAL that our family had to arrive in a car with blacked-out windows and be ‘escorted’ inside whilst being told not to look at the cameras and journos that were running along beside us all the way to the church doors.
I think what hit me most was the front page shot on the weekend newspaper of my aunty (his wife), my grandmother (his mother) and my mum (his sister-in-law) leaving the funeral. The caption underneath the photo read “Mrs ‘Brown’ and other mourners”, referring to his wife as “Mrs Brown”. I remember being so upset that my grandmother was labelled as just “another mourner”. That was his MOTHER. It felt shameful and disrespectful. It may not seem like a big deal but as an 11 year-old girl watching my family grieve so publicly, it really upset me. I know that reporters can’t always know who everyone is (my grandmother never did any public interviews, unlike my aunty) but it was the fact that the photographers were there AT ALL, sticking cameras in everyone’s faces without even realising who they were, that upset me.
It was the first funeral I had ever been to. It was the first time I’d ever really thought of my grandmother as a mother too. It was the first time I’d ever seen my dad cry. That should be a private experience.
Bit it wasn’t. And that’s when I think the media have gone too far for a front page.
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i’m in year 12 at the school this refers to – one of our terraces is called Klara’s terrace in honour of this girl. So sad. Kate was also my drama teacher in year 8 i think. beautiful article Kate, a former student is proud of you. :’)
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I’m so touched to get this message, thank you. Yes, I definitely would’ve been your drama teacher. Good luck in year 12 and thank you so much for your sweet message xxx
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Oh this is one of the best reads ever on Mamamia.. I’ve never had this happen to me, but I’ve instructed all my family and friends that if (god forbid) a tragedy befalls me and I appear willing to display my raw grief to the world…STOP ME…I will clearly not be in my right mind, as my logical self abhors this utter invasion of privacy for purely voyeuristic reasons.
Love this article. Thank you.
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I wonder about that too. Are people in that much pain even able to give proper consent?
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My daughter was on life support in intensive care. On the same day we were told we might have to turn it off, a camera crew approached us to see if they could film our grief for one of those fly-on-the-wall medical dramas. We declined.
PS – she is ok now!
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Phew!
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Almost ten years ago my aunty lost her toddler and baby when her estranged husband took their lives in a murder suicide when he had them for the weekend. She was waiting at the police station where they were to meet for her to pick up the kids, when they told her there had been an accident and took her to his house. News cameras were already there, and filmed her finding out what had happened to her children, and falling to the ground with grief. I have seen the footage and found it incredibly haunting.
I also live in a small country town where several tragic accidents have happened in the past few years. Most recently, a teenager was killed in a car accident, and the following week, a photo of her car covered the front page of the local cover. In a town as small as ours, something like this affected everyone, particularly when most people tend to know when another or be connected somehow. Many people were extremely upset about the photo, I myself found it inappropriate and unnecessary.
I understand that news programs and papers need footage and photos to add to their stories, but having been in situations like these, I can’t help but wonder how the people involved in producing them would feel if it were their loved ones on camera? Knowing the impact these things can have, it is just not something I’m comfortable with, and am pretty sure the news can go on without footage of funerals, fatal accidents and parents being given their worst news of their lives.
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They did this to our family four years ago when my father was killed in a car accident. The next day the bigger regional newspaper had a photo of his ute, crushed under a semi on the front page of the newspaper. They then kept ringing over a number of days to ask for more information about Dads life, and how we felt. I kept asking for some privacy but was told that if we didn’t give them a comment, they’d find someone who would.
The editor of our local town paper only mentioned the incident in passing and didn’t run any photos. In a small township of 5,000 people, most knew our Dad and what had happened.
The bigger regional paper then published the photo of the accident later in the year, on the front page AGAIN as a wrap up of the past six months. This time they didn’t bother blurring out the gruesome bits. My mother was absolutely devastated. Needless to say, I’ll never buy or support that paper ever again.
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So sorry for the loss of you dad, Kate…
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They did this to my family when my brother died. Snakes.
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We as media consumers can do our bit too. Turn the TV off when you feel the reporter/show/station has gone too far. Even contact them. They put this stuff on because it’s what they think we want to see. Let them know we don’t.
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Agreed
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Well written.
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I agree with what someone said below. The news isn’t merely information providing it’s a BUSINESS and the sad fact is that the channel/newspaper/whatever with the close up shot of the newly widowed wife crying or the car flipped on it’s roof after an accident SELLS. Why? Because despite the outrage over situations like the Goldspink-Lord’s people tune in in droves to watch. As abhorrent as the tactics are to get exclusive footage after a tragedy, it wouldn’t be done if there wasn’t a demand for it. I wonder how many people that are so vehemently slamming journalists turn their televisions off every time there is intrusive footage from a tragedy being shown. I’m not justifying these tactics by any means, I’m just saying this wouldn’t be happening for decades if there was no audience for it.
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Hate to tell you but I do change the station when I feel it’s too intrusive
Unfortunately by that time my children have normally seen the footage and then the conversation DOES revolve not only around the tragedy but also that the coverage was not appropriate…
To me the news is a staple and as such the stations have s responsibility about what they show…I am not going to watch the news as they show more graphic footage over another …. Thats just ridicoulous!!!
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Anon, I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree. I do change the channel if they show something I disagree with, and I wouldn’t buy a paper knowing it contained images that I think were taken inappropriately and unnecessarily. These images horrify me, and all I can do is think how awful that these people are having to deal with strangers with cameras hovering around them, when they should be left alone to deal with their grief.
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Shelley you must have misread , I also do change the channel but sometimes with the snippet you see the damage is done….I expect my news coverage to be responsible , regardless of differences in morals I don’t see how anyone would want to intrude on another individuals grief…
My point was to say that justifying “graphic” coverage by saying that the news is business and that if they don’t show it people will watch different coverage/station is misleading
Wouldn’t it be great if they just “did the right thing “
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Oops I replied to wrong person! Meant to reply to ‘Hmm’, I agreed with you, Anon! Must stop writing at night when tired!! Sorry for confusion
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I have heard that sound, that utter despair, almost like an animal. It came from my son when his close friend commited suicide.He was 16. It was the worst moment of my life so far. It was awful. It was private. Once heard this sound will NEVER be forgotten. A camera should be no where in sight.
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I stopped watching TV news after the Lockerbie plane bomb blast. There were “news” cameras at the airport in the US where the parents of kids on a school trip were told that none of them were coming home. The cameras followed mothers rolling on the floor with grief. I was 18 and horrified. I prefer to read news now than watch.
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How about a deal: I won’t tell you how to do your job, if you stop telling me how to do mine. Fair?
As for the rubbish about “refusing” to do death knocks, or quitting in order to take some idealistic stand against them – be realistic. As a journo, I believe I can create more change from inside, than by being an armchair commentator & tilting at windmills within someone else’s profession.
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Oh, & for what it’s worth – I don’t want to refuse to do death knocks. I don’t love it, but I don’t totally hate it. It’s worth it when I get to help one family feel like their loved one’s death might have not been completely in vain, or when I help them have the opportunity to share with the world what a great person he or she was.
But then, when I’m refused an interview, I leave after the first request. No continual hounding or following the relatives or any of that behaviour. If my editor asks me to go back, I just get a coffee & lie that I did.
And I sleep fine at night.
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‘I help them have the opportunity to share with the world ….bla bla bla’
So you believe your self-serving intrusiveness is actually doing the family and the world at large a service? You are completely deluded. Justify your parastitic opportunistic so-called ‘service’ all you like but the reality is, this is a family IN SHOCK and not acting rationally.
Good for you you can sleep at night. Let’s hope your sleep is never interrupted by one of your own kind wanting the same thing you have no problem pursuing.
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Perhaps the issue is not the journalists but the policies of each station/media outlet
It’s fine to say it wouldn’t be done if the public didn’t watch but the fact is I watch the news as a matter of course and neither myself or my children need to see intrusive footage to understand what has happened
I choose not to watch Today Tonight or ACA as I believe it is journalism at its worst….I should however be able to watch the news with the comfort that what is reported on is fact and not sensationalism….how do you explain to your 8 year old that the station has chosen to show horrific footage
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This is a very moving and timely article, Kate. It does raise questions about what the ‘rights’ are: the biggest question for me is whether the public’s interest in a tragedy is a ‘public interest’ that outweighs a moral right to privacy.
The question is whether the commercial gain that exploits consumer desire or prurient nosiness or compassionate curiosity to share vicariously in private grief is sufficiently strong to outweigh the sense of personal violation that suffering people feel when that inquiry is pushed for commercial reasons into aggression and intrusion.
Big disturbing questions. Glad Kate has weighed in here.
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Kat, there’s a difference between creating change from the inside and ruthlessly chasing a story to the detriment of those involved. By all means, seek justice, draw the people’s attention to dangerous practices and fault covered up.
You can create change by reporting the facts.
Just don’t think that plastering a grieving family’s emotions all over the media is for a noble cause. It’s for ratings and nothing else.
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GeeElleDee, I meant specifically creating change in the practice of how death knocks are conducted, not so much Watergate-level change – although that would sure be nice, too.
I don’t think I’m ruthless. When told no, I leave. When I have the camera instead of a photographer with me, I won’t take photos of bodies or anything of the sort (I’m in print media). I’m polite & leave when asked.
I do my job, I like my job, & I hope the death knocks do, at least sometimes, achieve some sort of good for people. But I’m not going to pretend doing death knocks makes me hate myself or my career. It doesn’t.
I think I conduct myself ethically – & isn’t it ultimately our own consciences that we have to answer to?
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Definitely, Kat. I applaud any journos (like yourself) who conduct themselves with respect and integrity.
It’s the ones who are fixated on getting that grief shot, no matter what the emotional cost to the suffering loved ones, that have everyone up in arms.
I get the feeling that your original comment has been taken to mean that the author’s experiences aren’t going to change the “at any cost” attitude.
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So the only one you have to answer to ultimately is your own conscience.
Bravo. What about answering to the families whose faces are not in front of your microphone y? The ones like me (see post below) who, still reeling from the news that my brother was killed, was confronted with the image of his crushed car on the early morning news.
The parasitic news crew obviously heard about the accident on police scanners and took a trip to the outskirts of Sydney to film it even BEFORE the police had arrived at his mother’s house with the news at 4am.
This utterly disgusting scenario traumatised our family and left us shattered.
And YOUR conscience is clear. Bravo to you.
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Kat: what self-righteous, arrogant crap. Why do too many journos (but not all) think that the usual societal expectations don’t apply to them? I can’t begin to imagine the grief a parent feels at the death of a child but I know the most haunting funeral I’ve been to is for a close friend who died at 21.
I work for the Australian Senate so I understand the rough and tumble of journalism and the scrutiny it necessarily brings but selling papers or getting TV ratings from intruding on grieving people on the worst day of their life is vulgar and voyeurism at its worst.
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I ‘liked’ this post by accident. I certainly didn’t mean to. Your original comment is one of the worst I’ve ever read here. I so wish I knew who you worked for so I could never have anything to do with that publication/production ever again.
Sometimes I think there’s no hope for humanity.
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What if it’s your family member ?
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You don’t want to do ‘death knocks’? I think you’re kidding yourself that you’re performing a public service on that score.
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Oh Kate, you put it into words far better than I did!
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“It’s worth it when I get to help one family feel like their loved one’s death might have not been completely in vain, or when I help them have the opportunity to share with the world what a great person he or she was”
I think you’re having yourself on just quietly. Sorry.
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You are kidding aren’t you?
Jounalists are never critical of how other perform their jobs?
You choose to stick your nose in the faces of those in grief, yet hide behind every excuse you can find.
I’ve lost count of the times Journalists have intruded into people’s lives and been wrong, then to justify themselves as “doing their job” It’s crap, and the worst thing is that Journalists actually believe the self righteous crap you come out with.
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I’m not “hiding behind excuses”. That would imply I have something I have to excuse.
I don’t.
Hounding relatives, refusing to take no for an answer etc is not on. But not all of us stoop that low. I’m sorry if you just don’t like journos, full stop, or what we do. But if my aim when choosing a career was to make everyone like me, I’d have gone into PR.
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There’s nothing to excuse?
In your opinion.
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Yes, in my opinion. I accept yours might be different. But that’s life, isn’t it?
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If the public did not buy the story the journalists would not go to such lengths to seek it. The culpability lies with the readership.
If you are disgusted then don’t watch the news and don’t buy the papers. Supply and demand, it’s that simple.
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Dear Guest. There is a difference between buying a paper with some knowledge of its contents and watching the news on TV and having the images jump out at you unexpectedly.
The only way to avoid these images is to never watch televised News at all – ever.
And then there are the News highlights which are sprinkled through programmes as if they are ads. I wish I could run but sometimes I feel like they are chasing me from channel to channel.
I don’t think this is an issue of supply and demand at all. I think it is a quick, cheap and lazy way of fulfilling their obligations to current affairs (supply) with no interest in the lack of demand.
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Yeah, that’s life, but once people thought it was ok to send kids down coal mines, but that didn’t make it right did it now?
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Eddie – If there were no demand there would be none of this content you ‘run from’. If you run from it – you are one of the few.
Do you really think the media could survive churning out stories the public have no interest in? It’s business as usual. You are naive to think nobody is interested in someone else’s heartache.
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The trashier newspapers are not surviving because we are making a choice. And most people are choosing not to view these images on line.
Unfortunately it is harder with television. There is no mechanism in place to to say that you like this bit of the news but you don’t like that bit of the news. However, I suspect that as people move away from free to air television that this will follow.
I agree that this is a business decision. After all, good journalism costs money. These news stories are cheap to produce and fill the space while they wait to bring on the sports report. Thats all.
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On the contrary, the trashier newspapers and online content are thriving (check circulation figures for tabloids in Australia and the UK).
Not enough people are, as you say, making a choice not to read them because at the heart of it – the public always wants an ‘inside’ view of the tragedy/story. Let’s not pretend the public are the innocent bystanders in this – you might be, but you would be in the minority.
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While working in PR at one of Australia’s biggest children’s hospitals I came into contact with some amazing journalists and crews that were very respectful of our patients and families. Let me point out it was our role to advocate on behalf of the families during times of grief and hardship, not the media. However, there were occasions where I had to physically stand between the front doors of the Hospital and cameramen from the major networks to ensure they didn’t go inside and harass families. On one occasion a security guard had to almost physically restrain the cameraman from knocking me out, because I wouldn’t let him inside.
There was even a time where we caught a journalist from one of the major metro newspapers sitting in emergency (keep in mind it is a paediatric emergency department), waiting for a grieving family to emerge. Unfortunately these type of situations brings out the best and the worst in people.
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If the news is really to “educate” or “inform” how stupid do the “media” or “station managers” think we are that they need to show us the footage of someone with their deceased child to show that the family has suffered a tragedy? The question we all need to ask in life is ” would I want to be treated this way” and if the answer is no that should guide our actions…
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I have never understood why the media even bother with some footage.
Chasing someone down the street, shoving a camera in their face from behind and asking inane questions that get no response. And then this is put on the news. Again and again and again.
It looks like a space filler and is absolutely not news. No wonder I go elsewhere for information.
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I believe it is high time that the media has a code of ethics and practice in respect to this sort of news item which puts a blackout on reporting it for a decent period of time after the incident before it can be reported on and this may stop the competitive need to be the first to report on it. It may go a long way to stopping an accident chaser mentality by Media Executives.
I read with interest the commence by some journalists that it portrays them as scumbags, I for one do not believe this to be the case, whilst I don’t like this sort of behaviour I believe that most journalists would not behave in this way and it is the Executives who push those that do to take this sort of action.
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This website is a prime example of invading the privacy of grieving mothers who have lost their babies after birth – absolutely disgusting behaviour here time and time again.
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I’ve got to say that your comment gave me my own ‘what the’ moment. Ah, I’m not sure when we have EVER done anything remotely of the sort of what you are accusing Mamamia of.
We’re not a news website, we don’t do investigative reporting of any kind, so we’re never putting a camera in someone’s face who didn’t want it to be there.
We have had a lot of mums share their stories of losing children with us but that has always been because it was something they wanted to do. For some people and most especially people who like to write, putting their feelings on paper (without any pressure to do so whatsoever) can aid the grieving process.
Jamila
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I’m calling BS on this whole argument.
It’s a bit ‘poor me’ for my liking.
As for all the pearl clutching below and the ‘think of the children’ comments – they’re complete cop-outs by people who apparently “hate” this behaviour from journalists but then sit down happily to their nightly newscast without A CLUE how it all comes together. Please.
I’ve worked as a journalist and I no longer do so because I did not agree with the values of the industry. Not everyone does. I see my friends and former colleagues reporting across the commercial networks every night. They do the job that is expected of them.
The news is now a business. It’s not a free service. It’s not unbiased. It’s a BUSINESS and the name of the game is to get ratings.
How do papers and TV stations do this? They provide content that gets the most interest.
Sadly in today’s society people ARE interested in these stories. They want to see the shoes left behind. They want to see the distraught mother. It’s pure voyeurism. Doesn’t make it right, but that’s reality.
If you’re a journo who doesn’t want to do death knocks? Don’t do them! Get yourself another job. Stop whining.
If you’re a person who wants journalists to treat people with more respect? Don’t click on articles, and don’t watch news reports of this nature. Simple.
You have the power to change things. You just don’t want to.
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“If you’re a person who wants journalists to treat people with more respect? Don’t click on articles, and don’t watch news reports of this nature. Simple. ”
I don’t and I don’t. Yet it still goes on. not so simple.
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But Lulu unfortunately you are in the minority. Change starts with you – that’s all you can do.
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It really is not as simple as that. As long as the media justify what they do by claiming they only publish what the consumers want nothing will change.
If I am ever unfortunate enough to find myself in a similar position to Linda Goldspink-Lord, keep your cameras away from me and my family. It is my wish that no one films, photographs or publish shots of me and my family without my permission.
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You must have been a real insightful journalist calling “BS” on an entire argument. I call BS on your notion that journalists have to either do “death knocks” or get a different job. There are many fine and respected journalists out there who would not sink to this obvious low.
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Really Tim?
Sorry to say, but the majority of journos have a period of time where they cut their teeth covering regional news — where they are one of only a few journalists in town which makes them the only person to cover such a story.
Nearly everyone gets a bash at the midnight shift, court reporting etc where they DO have to cover these stories and DO have to engage in practices like death knocks. Or filming a mothers pain… Chasing a person on trial down the street… Or getting overlay of the scene of an accident….
To suggest otherwise shows your meager understanding of the industry.
I am not for one second saying journalists are bad. But it is was it is. If people want change they need to demand it.
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So because a frighteningly large proportion of Australians consider Today Tonight, A Current Affairs and 60 Minutes the pinnacle of ethical, quality investigative journalism that’s the standard we should hold ourselves to? No thanks, I expect better than that. Don’t try to justify grubby practices by arguing “that’s what the masses want”. That sh!t brings down civilizations.
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A comment piece from a channel 9 employee condemning channel 7 employees? Shocking. It’s just a relief to find her friends at 9 do their death-knocking with “respect and grace.”
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Hear, hear.
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Just to clarify, I work for 2GB. I’m not employed by Channel 9. But nice try.
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Apologies. Must be another ninemsn columnist named Kate Leaver.
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No, it’s the same one.
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I really wish journos could respect the feelings of the people they are writing about. When my dad died in a motorbike accident a few years back, that night on the news an image of his crushed motorbike was played over and over and they went into the gory details of the ‘Horror smash’ where a father was innocently killed. I really could have done without seeing those images so soon.
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I just read this article, and the article link you included. I feel sick, to think of what Molly’s poor mother went through, is still going through. Truly sickening. Where are the morals of those that went to such lengths for a story?
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Yet another article to prompt journo-hate.
Comments that are being published on this article make me want to quit my job. You work so hard as a journalist to be fair and balanced, respectful and careful and kind and where does it get you? Slammed every other week on MamaMia. Not all journalists are scumbags.
If I burst into tears like I wanted to sometimes about every criticism of a journalist I’d never get out of bed in the morning
I’ve death knocked. It’s a terrifying experience that I wouldn’t wish on anyone, but you know what? The story was WORTH IT. Knowing that perhaps it would save someone’s life.
Think I’m scum all you want, but that’s not going to stop me doing my job, and doing it well.
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Hi Laura
I really don’t think this article has anything to do with ‘journo-hate’. Katie is a journalist herself and loves her profession and what it stands for.
You are 100% right that not all journalists are scumbags. The vast majority are people who are committed to what they do and know how important it is for us all to be able to consume the news and opinion they bring us.
This article is about a particular nature of journalism, which I agree with Katie is really, really off. And journos like this give people like you and Katie and your great profession a bad name. So we’re calling them for it and I think that’s appropriate.
Please don’t burst into tears! Having spent years in politics being told I was in pretty much the world’s worst profession, I know how you feel but please don’t have that reaction! Instead strive to prove people wrong and show the world what a great journalist can be and the amazing good they can achieve with the huge power they wield.
All the best. Xxx
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Yes, but it’s another article which WILL prompt journo-hate and personal attacks on our profession, just as poor Sarah’s did. I guess that gets you plenty of comments and hits but for those of us who read and respect this website – it’s chilling to continually be the victim of such vitriol. The articles may no be outwardly encouraging the bashing of journalists but surely it’s naive to believe that after what Sarah went through with her story that people won’t just jump down the media’s throat all over again?
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“people won’t just jump down the media’s throat all over again”
There’s one sure way to stop that. And it isn’t by stopping articles such as this one.
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By quitting my job? Because that’s what I’d have to do to never do another death knock in my career. I’d have to pack in my entire career. Because those controlling the industry won’t change. The hits on online content indicate very clearly that a story where there’s a personal story in relation to a tragedy is far, far more clicked than the straight police story. Whether that’s human nature or something more sinister, no publication is going to stop pushing it’s journalists to get that. I’d prefer personally not to death knock, however, it’s part of my job. And it does have the capacity to do far more good and reach more people than a straight police story. Controversial or not, in the right hands it is a valuable part of being a good journalist – which at its heart is telling people’s stories. I don’t condone the actions of the journalists in the Goldspink-Lord case – flying over the property in a helicopter is particularly morbid. But not all death knocks and not all journalists are reprehensible. They have their place. I just wish I didn’t have to keep reading about what a lowlife I apparently am.
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I just meant that if the tabloid/exploitative death knocks (and other business) didn’t go on, media consumers would have a much clearer understanding of why/when it’s necessary; and journalism wouldn’t carry that kind of ‘bad reputation’ baggage around. By complaining about this article, you’re shooting the messenger rather than putting the blame where it should be.
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Glad to see you justifying yourself again. You think your doing the country a service by confronting a grieving family. Justify, justify, justify.
Let’s hope you’re never on the other side of that door. What would you do then?
(And I note a similar comment I made below was deleted – what’s the story with that? We can’t bear the truth?)
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Laura – a reminder – we are journos too. More importantly, we are all CONSUMERS of news and I think stories like this go a long way in helping us understand what goes on behind what we’re consuming.
TV stories need pictures. And those pictures have to come from somewhere.
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I note that some of the most distressing comments have been deleted by the moderators, so for that I say a big thanks. I know that Mamamia is all for prompting discussion and that’s great – but it’s really confronting seeing swathes of people talking about you like you’re an absolute scumbag.
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Laura,
From the comments I have read on this post about bad journalist “scumbags”, people seem to be relating to very specific stories handled really badly with each complaint.
If you are not one of the journalists that are mentioned and you conduct yourself in a way that you believe to be ethical, then people aren’t talking about YOU like you are an absolute scumbag.
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I think there’s something wrong with our society if we need pictures of broken bodies and human beings enduring the worst pain of their lives just so that we can put two and two together for a news story.
I take your point, Mia. I just don’t like that grieving people have to be our ‘entertainment’.
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Anna, exactly.
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I’m so sick of the anti-journo posts every time someone gets brave and writes about an aspect of the job that sucks. Quit with the hate, it doesn’t mean you’re a better person for it
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“Quit with the hate”
Huh? I don’t quite see what was hateful about what Anna or I said.
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Good luck walking that line you’ve just drawn, Kate.
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Sam, I can’t help but think this is said with a smidgen of disdain, but I’ll take the good luck – thank you. KL
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Agreed.
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…with Sam.
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It was exactly this type of behaviour in the Channel 7 news room in the 80′s that made me change my expected career path.
To see it from the inside, and hear what they said was appalling to the extreme.
I see nothing has changed.
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This has been happening for decades – it’s mentioned in My Brother Jack, which was written in 1964 – but electronic media has made it more invasive.
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I think all you can do is be true to yourself and it sounds like due to life experience you have morals sadly some have know personal experience and find it easy to over step the line. This has disturbed me since it happen and just the complete lack of respect to this family!
Thank you for writing such and honest piece if only some could do the same.
The fact you even acknowledged it shows you are good at your job.
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Ten minutes after I had been called by my mum to tell me my step-brother had been killed in an accident I saw the crushed car and canvas draped over the side.
That was my BROTHER in that car. It was on the news barely before I could even grasp what my mum had said. He was only 21.
To the vultures in the post below who justify their employment by saying ‘we do this with respect and dignity’ – I say bullshit. What about the ripple effect of your reports. There was my brother’s body still in that car and a news crew had got there at 2am in the pouring rain to capture the harrowing scene for the early morning news.
I’ll forever live with that image. Thanks a lot you pack of parasites.
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I wanted to be a journalist in high school until 15 yrs ago I did work experience with a large metropolitan newspaper. In the week prior a young teenager had died when a hospital in Canberra was demolished. The guys I was with were bragging about how they used their “detective powers” to find the family and knock on their door despite the family asking for privacy.
It was horrendous listening to them gloat without a spec of regard for the feelings of the family.
I realise not all journalists are like this – but it made me sad to see how little insight these guys had.
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I had a similar thought recently. There had been a two car crash in my local area this morning and at least one person had died. On the news that night there was footage of the scene with the cars clearly shown. My first thought was why do we need to see this? It had only happened THAT MORNING, what if a friend of the deceased person didnt know about it yet but recognised the car on the news. What a truly horrible feeling it would be to find out someone you know died like that and what of the people watching who did know the people involved. Unneccessary trauma for them I think.
As for filming a mother cradling their deceased daughter my heart just aches for the poor family. Just so not on. How the camera crews even get to the scene that quickly just sickens me.
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Minor correction: they did not show footage of Linda Goldspink-Lord hugging her daughter, they showed footage of her sitting beside her daughter’s body. Seven News in their Facebook statement specifically denied there was footage of her “hugging” her daughter which is odd because her comment made no reference to hugging.
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Who gives a rats? They shouldn’t have been there AT ALL.
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They took footage of a mother at her dead daughters side. What were they thinking? Our local paper ‘The Illawarra Mercury’ then published those photos the next day. How horrific for the family. Have made a decision never to buy the paper again. Probably wont effect the paper much but its a start.
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Great article. I agree whole heartedly.
It really pisses me off too.
I left my children’s school once to be swamped by media, thankfully they were still in their setting up stages, and realised I wasn’t anyone important quickly. Why were they there? There had been a tragedy that day, nothing to do with the school, the only tie was that the child involved happened to attend that school. Later picking the kids up, the media was all over the street, cameras, reporters, chopper. By this time I knew why they were there. I was furious. How dare they impose themselves on these kids who were going home from their normal day having just heard about the extreme and tragic events that had occurred involving one of their school community? WTF? These weren’t adults, these were kids as young as 4.
Thankfully reporting of this event was shut down fairly quickly, due to the nature of the event and the legalities involved. I assume the school worked hard and fast to ensure the impact on the students at the school was minimised as well.
But really? What happened to morals?
Too often this sort of thing is occurring.
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I live in the town where this happened and was shocked to see the name and photo of the victim on the local paper’s front page the next day. I can only hope that there wasn’t anyone who knew her who found out this way.
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Our local paper is so crap that they printed a front page article about a crash which killed a teen boy (‘teen killed in horror crash’) and printed the wrong photo. They printed the photo of his best friend who wasn’t in the car, wasn’t killed… A colleague of mine saw the paper knowing the boy in the photo and collapsed in our tea room… only to read on in the article to know it wasn’t him that had passed.
The anguish it caused for both families, and those that knew both boys, was such that the paper apologised the next day… a one line apology on page 2, under the weather.
How do some people get accredited? or Live with themselves for these kinds of actions, especially to think such a minute apology would be sufficient.
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As a journalist regularly called on to perform ‘death knocks’ I can say there is absolutely no pleasure in approaching grieving families. The way I can ‘look at myself in the mirror’ and live with that (awful) part of the job is that I know I go about the task with the utmost respect and consideration. Some families will abuse us and slam doors in our faces, and that’s fine, that’s completely their right and in many cases, it can be a cathartic experience for them…and at the very least we give them someone to direct their anger at. Others genuinely want to pay tribute to their lost loved one, and often feel the need to send a message to other parents/teenagers/friends that tragedy can strike at any moment. That’s how I live with myself anyway.
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I agree – I’ve worked as a journalist since I was 19 and I worked for two years as a newspaper editor. “Death knocks” are terrible and you hope you never have to do them, but I have been fortunate that, even though they are dealing with consuming grief and devastation, all of the families and friends I have interviewed have welcomed the opportunity to pay tribute to their loved one.
I’ve always found that a gentle and genuinely sympathetic approach had worked for me – but I’ve watched other journalists act very aggressively in the pursuit of a story of this nature (and they are the ones who give the rest of us a bad name).
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so don’t watch it or read it…it’s my job to be there and by far the worst part of my job – and, like Kate, I have been on the other side of the door. You judge ‘the media’ as a whole, but don’t realize many of us are real people, with real lives and genuine emotions and are driven by a sense of justice. You have no idea how many teenagers have thought twice about jumping in a car after seeing a grieving mother talking about the son she lost in an accident, or how many criminals have been turned in after a family’s emotional plea for help. There is a genuine public interest in telling their stories, whether you find it ‘parasitic’ or not.
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Sorry – this response is directed at TVGal (Below) but for some reason it won’t let me reply.
Sure, tell that person’s story if they agree to an interview. Don’t shove a camera in the face of a grievng person and get a money shot. Also to say “Don’t watch it or read it” makes it sound like we’re talking about how awful it is for *us* the *consumers*. It’s not the public we’re most concerned about – it’s the people involved, that grieving parent or child who are really affected by prying reporters…
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Your COMMENT is disgusting.
I too am a journalist who has had to do death knocks in the past. I’m polite. I’m respectful. And some of those people truly did want to speak about the issue. If our coverage of a woman who has just lost her child in a car accident prompts one mum to tell her son to be careful that night with his mates – who knows, maybe it won’t happen to someone else? I think that’s what keeps journalists in their job. We’re abused, underpaid and told we’re vultures and disgusting and parasitic. We just want to tell people’s stories – and hopefully those stories will both move people and help make a difference in the world. If someone approached me respectfully and sensitively, YES, if I was behind that door, I probably would want to tell everyone how much I loved that person and say anything I could to honour their life and (if possible), send a message that others could heed.
I don’t get off on the suffering of others. I’m no parasite. I’m a good person trying to do a hard job and do the best by the people I speak to.
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“If our coverage of a woman who has just lost her child in a car accident prompts one mum to tell her son to be careful that night with his mates”
I’m sure reporting of deaths and footage of a wrecked car twisted into a pretzel shape would prompt the same conversation.
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If our coverage of a woman who has just lost her child in a car accident prompts one mum to tell her son to be careful that night with his mates”
I’m sure reporting of deaths and footage of a wrecked car twisted into a pretzel shape would prompt the same conversation.
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@Laura (can’t reply to comments)
I think there’s a difference between someone like yourself who’s truly trying to do something good by sharing someones story, going to someone’s house and *asking* if the person would like to speak to the media, and someone else who, paparazzi-style, shoves cameras in people’s faces and captures things that add nothing to the story – footage of twisted metal, crying mothers etc. That’s the kind of stuff people have an issue with, not respectfully asking a family if they’d like to talk about what’s happened (an incredibly tough thing to do).
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Thank you for this comment, I really do have respect for journalists who can brave the death-knock and do it with kindness. I especially appreciate your observation that you might give grieving families someone to direct their anger toward – I think that’s a really insightful, rather stunning way to think of it.
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It’s very true. Often in cases of tragedy families have no one to blame and just want to scream at the world, and they can do that to the complete stranger at their door.
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What bollocks.
It matters not how “sensitive” you think you are, or carry on with the bullshit about “just doing your job”, the simple facts are that you can refuse to do it.
But you choose not to go down the right path,then use the Nuremburg defence to justify why you should do it.
Any journalist who engages in this practice is contemptible.
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Really? We can just “refuse”? Tell that to our bosses. Personally, I like my job – not to mention I have bills to pay – so I would rather keep it, thanks.
And calling it the “Nuremberg defence”… seriously? Don’t you think Nazi comparisons are just a little hyperbolic, not to mention insensitive to those who suffered in the Holocaust?
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The Nuremburg defence is a strategy used by the guilty to absolve themselves of responsibility, it’snot specific to the holocaust any more and is acommonly used expession, so please don’t throw the “i’m shocked” rubbish at me.
The phrase can refer to any attempt to deflect personal responsibility for a crime onto institutions.
Yes,you do have choices, I have choices at work too, so I choose to act in an honourable and moral manner and i do so even if my boss suggests that I do otherwise. It’s ok for you journalists to be critical of anyone whoyou believe isn’t doing their job properly or acting morally, yet you run for the hills when called out.
It’s a pathetic attempt at deflecting personal responsibility and all it serves to do is reduce those who perpetrate the practice to the ultimate in hypocrisy.
It’s no wonder Journalists, as a profession, are regarded only slightly higher than used car salesmen.
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I have no desire to refuse to do death knocks. I don’t see it as unethical. Harrassing families who’ve refused, airing footage of bodies – I see that as unethical. But not the mere death knock itself. So if I don’t have a moral issue with it, how can I be a “hypocrite”?
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And there’s the crux of the problem.
You’re so self righteous that you can’t see that you’re acting unethically.
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Thank you for this, Kate. I too wonder why these journalists go to such lengths to get a shot of someone’s shoes, or cradling their dead child, or reaction to the news of their death. Does it really enhance the story to see such things?
I think it diminishes us as human beings when we intrude into such a private space, and I hope they are prevented from doing it someday soon.
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