UPDATE: New research has revealed up to one in eight Australians are living below the poverty line. The Australian Council of Social Service report found more than 2.2 million Australians live in poverty, including more than half a million children.
A few weeks ago ABC’s Four Corners ran a report on the Australian children growing up in Australia’s “welfare ghetto”.
At the time, Mamamia wrote:
When 12-year-old Jessica Burns was asked what she wanted from her future, she answered: “a good job, like where you get like heaps of money. I’d be like a decent mum, like a husband with no violence and everything, so it could be a happy family, you know, but like that would never happen…”
They say the simplest dreams are the hardest to come by but it’s a sad and sorry state of affairs when a 12-year-old Australian kid can’t be excited and optimistic about what’s lies ahead. But that’s the way it is for thousands of children – here in our country – who are living below the poverty line.
Last night’s Four Corners program on the ABC focused on the children of five families living in the NSW suburb of Claymore. Claymore is a public housing estate which was built by the New South Wales Government in the 1970s and is home to more than 3000 of the state’s poorest families.
Thirty years on from its creation: Claymore is a “welfare ghetto.”
Jessica’s is one of the families who live there. When ABC reporter Sarah Ferguson (Sarah is the same journalist who exposed the abattoir atrocities in Indonesia) arrives at their house, Jessica hasn’t been to school for two days, her 14-year-old brother Hayden is complaining he’s being bullied at school and her father Brett has moved from the house into the garage because of arguments with Jessica’s mother Caroline. (It’s later revealed that Brett has physically abused Caroline. In front of the children.) The family rely on Centrelink payments to survive.
SARAH FERGUSON: Caroline Burns sometimes struggles to make ends meet.
CAROLINE: You know sometimes we have to go the second hand shops but – and I’m not fond of second hand shoes, but you can go to the new section. So and they’ve got some nice stuff there and it doesn’t it doesn’t bother me really.
JESSICA: She does have enough money sometimes, but just like, ’cause her pay day’s on Friday and if something is in the week and it’s like too much money for example, I don’t know, like $100 or some s**t, I don’t say anything, I don’t bother.
SARAH FERGUSON: Sometimes Jessica misses out.
JESSICA: It was a ‘scursion and I really wanted to go. And then, I was going to ask, but I didn’t. Because I thought like maybe they needed the money for something else.
CAROLINE: I hate having to say no. I really hate having to say no.
On the other side of Claymore, lives the Blake family. The core of the family is Kristen. She’s a single mother looking after five children. The youngest, Katelynn, is just five months old. Kristen worked in an aged care facility until she became pregnant with Katelynn and she says that she wants to teach her kids about the importance of having a job. Three of the children Katelynn is raising are biologically her sister’s kids.
SARAH FERGUSON: What was the situation with Amy and the children? Why did you step in?
KRISTEN: A lotta drug problems, drug addiction, mental problems. She would bring her paranoia out onto her children. She wouldn’t let the kids play outside, she would keep them confided in the one room, not even allowed to go upstairs. She shaved Alanah’s head as a child so that nobody would rape her.
SARAH FERGUSON: Alanah is now 14.
(To Alanah): Were you scared when you were living there?
ALANAH: Yeah ’cause we had like other people watching us, not just her, people we didn’t know, friends that gave her drugs. We had her watching us.
KRISTEN: It was Alanah mainly who was affected with what happened because she was three nearly four and she would have to mother Jacob. And if it wasn’t for her he wouldn’t have been fed. Whatever was in the cupboard is whatever she fed him, you know.
SARAH FERGUSON: As far as the three children are concerned Kristen is their mother now.
The report exposed the harsh realities of daily life for these kids who are “growing up poor” right here in Sydney. Many don’t have relationships with one or both of their parents (more than half the families in Claymore have only one parent).
Kids have parents who cannot read or write. The rate of teenage pregnancy in Claymore is five times the national average. And according to one 15-year-old girl, young boys in the town just “get drunk, they smoke a bit of weed and they burn houses down.”
Many of the children we met had stories of random violence, much of it linked to drug and alcohol abuse.
All of them talked to us more about fear than they did about money or missing out.
The obvious question arises: why is so much pain and disadvantage concentrated in one suburb?
It’s not as if successive governments didn’t know what was happening here.
1n 2010, more than 30 years after the suburb was built, the federal and state Labor governments announced a multi-million plan to demolish Claymore and start again.
Bulldozers moved in last year, 99 houses were knocked down.
Almost 1,000 more were slated for demolition, to be replaced by a mix of private and public housing, radically changing the makeup of the suburb.
But the incoming state Liberal government says no money was budgeted to pay for the re-development.
The project is on hold.
This kind of poverty is not limited to Claymore and its surrounds. According to a recent report, there are more than 2.2 million Australians living below the poverty line. More than 600,000 children under 15 live in households where no-one has a job.
Mamamia spoke to Captain Michelle White of the Salvation Army, who said the problem of children growing up poor was widespread. “The situation with children experiencing poverty as a result of their parents being dependent upon Centrelink is indiscriminate. It’s not just a pocket here and a pocket there. Basically when a parent’s only source of income is from centrelink the impact upon the child is significant.”
So how do you fix it? Michelle says early intervention is critical. “It’s all about connecting with children and family and young people and giving them positive outsets and engaging young people,” she says.
Author and media commentator Jane Caro also spoke to Mamamia. She is adamant that education is the key to giving these kids a future. She says that schools need resources to make a difference. (Editor’s Note: The NSW Government recently announced a $1.7 billion cut to education spending). Jane writes for Mamamia:
Australia is the 3rd lowest spender in the OECD on public education. Yet we have a school system that is increasingly dividing itself along social class lines. This is true to some extent of all education systems, but in Australia we compound the inevitable effect of geographical concentrations of poverty and disadvantage – as highlighted on 4 Corners last night – by educating our advantaged and disadvantaged kids not just in different schools but in entirely different publicly subsidised education systems.
Our most advantaged kids are increasingly leaving the public school system for private schools and taking all their resources, including their aspirations, cultural capital and engaged and involved parents with them.
World wide research shows that when you concentrate disadvantaged kids in the same schools it compounds their disadvantage. In other words, they do worse than they would in a more mixed environment. We are increasingly creating ghettos of privilege and underprivilege in our education system.If we want to offer the children of Claymore real hope for their future, we must start funding the schools they go to realistically. If we are going to lump our poorest kids together in the same schools, we must fund those schools as welfare hubs, reduce class sizes and make sure they are staffed by highly skilled and specialised teachers who are rewarded appropriately for tackling the huge educational disadvantages that are inevitably caused by poverty.If public education is the promise one generation makes to the next, ours is the first generation to break this promise – particularly to our poorest and most vulnerable children – since universal, compulsory, secular education for all children was introduced back in the 19th century. Education funding shouldn’t be about rewarding or punishing parents, it should be about helping all our children regardless of how lucky or unlucky they were in the lottery of birth.
Minister for School Education Peter Garrett spoke at the opening of a $1.7 million performing arts centre at Claymore’s local high school. His message to the students: “We have total confidence and faith in you, in the teachers in this school and the community schools. And total faith and confidence in the students at these schools that can be whatever they want to be, that they can realise their dreams and their potential…”
Perhaps. But the daily reality for kids in Claymore is not one of dreams and potential – it is an overwhelming sense of helplessness and being trapped in a cycle they may never break out of.
You can watch the full report here.










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This is fast becoming an issue close to my heart. I recently read JK Rowling’s The Casual Vacancy and have been lucky enough to spend my community placement for my final semester of university in a Disability Employment Agency funded by the government. Though the primary barrier of the clients I have had the privilege to work with is disability, it has really opened my eyes to the wide range of things some people are faced with, especially poor literacy and numeracy. How do you get a job if you are terrified to catch a bus because you can’t read the timetable, for example? The issues are so so complex.
In the case of housing estates like Claymore, the disadvantage is so entrenched that even school might not be enough to help kids see the light and break the cycle. Imagine this: You are going to school with hardly any of your basic primary needs met – you might be hungry, traumatised and frightened by an episode of domestic abuse, worried about a sibling or family member that is being abused or neglected at home, worried about paying bills because no-one else can worry for you, you might be already abusing drugs or alcohol to cope, you might not even have shoes on your feet and a warm enough jumper. And that is if you even make it to school. Then you try to focus on your studies, but apart from being unable to concentrate, your literacy levels are so poor you can’t read the texts, maybe because you’ve had a history of absenteeism already from when you were young and your parents never ever had a book in the house let alone read you one. You might act up because you are struggling so badly and everything is snowballing and end up sitting outside the principal or guidance officers office missing even more valuable learning time.
After that, you might come home to abusive circumstances, or be left to look after a younger sibling because your parent/s are absent physically or otherwise. Survival comes first, make sure baby brother gets fed and bathed first then worry about yourself. You might wish you had peace and quiet to do some homework or just sit there with deteriorating mental health wondering if you are ever going to get out of this hell, and eventually lose hope entirely.
Once year 12 is finished, your mental health and self-esteem may feel unsalvageable. You can’t get a job because your literacy and skills are poor and you can’t afford to do further study. You have to associate with someone, so you associate with people around you who have been influenced by the same circumstances often involving abuse. You don’t honestly believe you deserve any better or that any better will come to you. You slip up with contraception once, get pregnant, but you have no real idea how to parent a child because you were never parented yourself. You have no books in the house because you can’t read them and you can’t afford the kinds of resources that other people can buy for their kids learning. You might even start abusing drugs and alcohol because you feel so trapped and can’t see the way out. You have the baby….. and so the cycle begins again.
The answer is intervention by programs and services both inside and outside of school. Community partnerships programs and mentoring programs. Kids need strong role models to encourage them and help them connect and engage with the community. My mum always said the best way to help yourself is to help someone else or the best way to cheer yourself up is to cheer someone else up. I believe that as soon as people feel productive and like they are making a difference they start to feel more positive and are more likely to believe they can change things for themselves. I think that we also, and the government, need to change the way we look at this issue – we need to research the programs that really work and roll out funding for them.
As an aside, I recommend The Casual Vacancy as a way to get a peek inside the welfare/poverty cycle. It really shows how entrenched it is.
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I gotta say, if the definition of poverty is “having a disposable income less than half that of the median household” you’ll always, NO MATTER WHAT, have a significant number of people below the ‘poverty line’.
If you pushed the earnings of those people above the dollar line of $368 a week, then the median household earnings would rise and, from a statistical perspective, they’d fall back under that new, higher, poverty line.
I’m not saying these people aren’t poor, but it seems like an odd way to calculate poverty. You’ll never progress to a stage where most people aren’t ‘poor’ because someone is always in the bottom quarter.
Then again, if that was where government benefits started dropping off, that would save billions of dollars. Or you could shift those billions of dollars towards those people under that line…
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I’m one of those centerlink Single Ma’s…
But I’m fortunate that my financial position of living week to week doesn’t define my life: I have supportive parents, my life goals are stable and realistic and I have a good education. Since my situation changed 3 years ago, I chose to go back to uni and up-skill, so once my two kids were at school, I could put myself in a work position where I would be able to support them financially, independently. I found that on top of the pension, I also get an education supplement and assistance with paying my childcare fees. Both of these have helped me enormously to get through my degree. I also work casually ‘in-between’ it all.
Unfortunately I don’t get any financial assistance from their Dad, but we still make it all work & I don’t harbour any anger about it – it is what it is. We go without material stuff, but we lack for nothing in life experiences, eating healthy food (not much meat or dairy), we use rugs more than heating, fans more than air-con, parks more than cinemas, make cards instead of buying them and never pay full price for clothes or toys.
I make sure my kids get their kindergym and ballet classes each term. They also get a few swimming lessons throughout the year. Both my kids have ‘allied health issues’ and I’m very grateful for the public health system assistance with much of it – my daughters hearing aids are free, so is the cranio facial unit assessments and procedures, the grommets were free, so were the teeth operations and the MRI and CT scans. My son’s hydrotherapy was also public health, as were his follow up physio and occupational therapy sessions.
I personally think the Government is doing plenty to support people in situations such as mine – I’m very grateful because its enabled me to stabilize my family and meet my kids needs. I look forward to giving back one day soon. To all those out there who don’t have a supportive family or community, my heart goes out to you – support networks are key to working our way out of poverty.
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Great to hear your story and I am glad your coping and doing well. Best of luck with Uni
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Reading your story makes me think how lucky we really are to be living in Australia and have a lot of support systems in place. Could you imagine living in the US? Oh and good luck with uni!!
As for me, I grew up in a welfare dependant/abusive home and turned out fine. But even though my mum wasn’t the greatest mum, she prioritised education. Education really is the key. I was the first in my family to ever finish high school and the first to go to university. But I understand that if I lived somewhere like the States, I would have been screwed.
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We have gone through poverty more so recently and over the last two years. We haven’t been able to eat and have done so only from the support of my parents as we were over the threshold to get childcare support, bill concessions and healthcare.
When we did qualify for help from centrelink my partner obtained work after 3 weeks without. We were no longer entitled to any support. Sorry they said. Oh isnt it great, yet we were then a month behind on the rent and still living as you do, paying bills and mortgages, rego and insurance.
I’m studying and have now been told that I have to pay to repeat my course as I couldnt do it because we are poor. I can’t afford childcare to do my placement in childcare?
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It is not the lack of money that is the problem- we were poor when I reached high school as Dad’s business went bust.
That one can cope with. It is all the other dysfunction that is the issue- money can’t buy mental health or self esteem or love. The best way to beat true poverty is to be kind to everyone and give people opportunities. Employ a single mum who has never worked, encourage your kids to mix with all sorts of people, give practical support to a mum at school doing it tough.
Be kind people.
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So well said… community kindness is key.
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I read this with that familiar “sad-family-memory-I-thought-I’d-long-hidden” feeling. I can relate to this very well, with an over-paranoid mother and somewhat abusive stepfather, living in poverty until I ran away at 14.
i had my own rental unit at 15, and have had to teach myself the basic skills needed for survival, and I’ve also had to develop my own morals and social skills – things that weren’t taught to me as a kid.
Whih leads me to ask — what about the emotional effects of such situations? I think alot of people forget the emotional effects a rough childhood – and these arent often discovered until we are into our late twenties- early thirties – when our own multiple, often tumultuous relationships have already crumbled around us.
I’d love to see an article on the after effects of childhood poverty with a focus on how this affects every part of our subconscious emotional being.
hell, I could even write one myself. How does a forum regular submit their own article??
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By 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty.
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Lofty ideal, but sadly doomed to failure.
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If the insulting attitude toward public education displayed by so many people here is any indication, is it any wonder people struggling with poverty might have so little hope?
You all ought to show more respect than is displayed by this “Icky, I don’t want my kids to go to school with the naughty, dirty, poor people” attitude.
And for the record, middle class high achievers are educated in the public system too. I’m a masters degree-holding, proud product of a public school in a disadvantaged area.
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hey me too! i went to a dodge public school and am now doing a masters
my sister went to a public school in a ‘nice’ area (we moved) and she really struggles with anything academic. its the person not the school a lot of the time.
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I completely believe in forced sterilisation for this reason.
Blame the parents, not the government.
Although I completely agree in much much much much much greater funding for public education, and much less for private & religious schools.
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Blame poor people for being poor? If the Government doesn’t have a role here, what exactly is a government for?
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It’s not about being poor, or blaming the poor, I’ve been on the bones of my arse and homeless, but now i’m a long way from those days.
It’s more about blaming (it’s a bad word) those who won’t help themselves. There’s mutual obligation happening, or at least it should happen. We are a civilised, progressive and sympathetic country, we help those who are in need, but while getting the help, the recipients should be doing something to get themselves out of the situation so that they contribute, not just take.
There’s a world of difference between those who need help and those who expect it.
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Don’t despair…I taught in the Mt Druitt/Blacktown region for many years as a High School teacher, Outreach teacher and Convective Services teacher, teaching children from extremely challenging backgrounds, mostly Dept of Housing.
Fast Forward 20 years and many ex students found me on facebook and overwhelmingly things have turned out well for them. Many happily married, in stable jobs or businesses, quite a few have now gone back to Uni as mature age students and gained a degree.
Never lose hope.
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Sounds like you were their guiding Angel Joni. Thanks to people like yourself, some kids do have a chance x
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I just watched this program and 3 hours later I am still in tears. Although I have lived in Sydney for 30 years, like Angie, my upbringing was in the “school of hard knocks” that is in the public housing estates near Glasgow, Scotland. What you saw in this 4 corners program was indeed tragic and heartbreaking but I lived through the kind of stuff that goes on here too but that could not be broadcast on ABC television. For me, school was an escape and the nurturing and support of amazing teachers was my passport out of the hell I was living in. I am one of the lucky ones who managed to break the cycle of violence and abuse and I have been so blessed in all aspects of my life. Whilst I am far from being well off, I am always quick to give money and clothing to various charities and donate at times of natural and various other disasters here and abroad, however, I just don’t think that my donating a little money is necessarily going to be enough and I want to find a more meaningful way to help. I have read here the suggestions of delivering hampers and volunteering with reading and homework in local libraries, mentoring and sponsoring young girls through HSC etc and I would like to hear from anyone who could point me in the right direction. In the meantime I will try to make contact with Jess from the Sister2Sister organisation as you are an inspiration. PS: “Miss’s Mum”, congratulations, you have done an incredible job raising your daughter and to “Miss” herself, know that you are making a difference in the lives of the kids you teach and I guarantee when they get to 51 years old as I am, they will still remember you clearly with much affection and deep gratitude.
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http://ceisys.com/vouchers-and-castles-against-poverty/
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I am the CEO and founder of Life Changing Experiences Foundation.
I created the SISTER2sister Program in 2003 to combat these exact issues and have since dedicated my life to helping these young girls….many of them from Claymore.
We have no funding from the government at present as it ran out in 2008 and was only part funding.
We have helped many girls in the Claymore area but due to limited funding we can only help a limited amount of girls each year. This is heart breaking for me because I have proven that this program breaks the cycle.
I called the executive producer of Four Corners asking for the details of the girls in the program so that we can enrol them in the SISTER2sister program as soon as we can…..their parents gave permission and I now have the details of the girls. I’m so glad to be able to help these girls but sadly they are only the ones that were interviewed and there are so many more.
The SISTER2sister program has a proven track record of breaking the cycle of generational poverty, abuse, unemployment and teen pregnancy.
I already address this issue and with proven results why is it that the government won’t help me so that I can help more girls. With funding I know that I can solve this problem!!!!!
And our model is easily replicable so that we can adapt it to a boys program.
I have requested a meeting with Peter Garrett and Prue Goward….I am going to do what ever it takes to help these children….someone has to
Jess
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If only there were more people like you Jess. You are a very special person.
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Jessica I wish I had heaps of money for you. If I was in your shoes I would be lobbying Gina Rinehart. Go for the girls with some money!
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Jane Caro is critical of parents who send their children to private schools, however, until the Department and community at large, can address the ongoing behaviour issues which not only disrupt the learning of other students but also mean that teachers have little time to spend preparing lessons I don’t think you can blame parents. I am a Head Teacher at a disadvantaged school and I send my children to private schools because I know first hand how appalling the behaviour is. Most of my energy and time is spent dealing with behaviour and welfare problems, leaving me little time to prepare lessons and cater to the learning needs of the other students. I understand and sympathise with the reasons behind the behaviour and do my absolute best to support students. I am passionate about my job, realistically, however, I can’t really change a cycle of such entrenched dysfunction. On the other hand I can sure as hell make a difference to my own kid’s lives and that is why their learning is not going to be affected by the dysfunction which I see everyday.
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Not all public schools are disadvantaged. I am a teacher and I send my daughter to a public school. There are minimal behaviour issues, supportive parents, after school sports, great resources. I have taught at private schools which could easily be on par with many disadvantaged public schools.
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I don’t think it’s always public vs private school, but rather wealthy suburb vs poorer suburbs. Obliviously more p and c money etc goes into wealthy schools from fundraising etc.
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My daughter is currently attending a high school in Germany.
She has just said to me “Mum, if I went to school in Germany I would be really smart because everyone here concentrates, is quiet and works hard in every class”
Says it all really.
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I just signed up with The Smith Family to sponsor a child too. $39 a month will give a disadvantaged child school shoes, uniform, books and excursions plus a Learning for Life worker to help them with their educational journey. $39 a month for a lot of us is simply giving up a takeaway meal a month or a couple of movie tickets and popcorn – but for a disadvantaged child it may make a lifetime of difference.
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I think encouraging the parents to work and get a job would probably help a lot. When kids see their parents working it sets a good example. Not having a job and not being financially independent or not owning your own money could cause some social problems and self-esteem issues. Maybe there should be more programs to help encourage parents out of work or on Centrelink to get training and guidance to help change their mindset so they will want to get out there into the workforce and do something they can be proud of. Maybe Centrelink does this? That’s the first thing that I think needs addressing. The other, as mentioned in the article, is creating a healthy mixed environment in schools, and for government to ensure all kids are receiving the same level of support (Ha! You might say that’s a bit of a dream.) Just my thoughts.
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None of this is new- It was the same I. The 80′s and ninties and elements of all societies will be like this and it has nothing to do with social housing or schools. It is people being people- some are functional and some are not and if you have the misfortunute of being born into a slummy area with slummy parents the odds are not going your way. it will always be an issue.
But people an also make it better by being nicer, not pulling your kids out of school for a private one, letting you kids mix with all sorts of people and lending a hand to people doing it tough even if it is just being a friend.
Throwing money at it will not make it better.
One thing that may help is if they give the houses to the tenants- maybe if they owned it they would ‘t trash it and take some pride. I thinks ownership adds self esteem also which can help many things.
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Possibly the way our mental health and health system is stretched and geared only continues this cycle of poverty and disadvantage.
If you are someone who is unfortunate enough to be on Newstart, you have to live on $35 a day. Sure I hear people say ‘get a job’, but when you have so many layers of disadvantage accompanying these people it’s a bit rich.
If you have any sort of health or mental health problems you also have to pay for these. Sure Medicare will pay a fair bit, but there’s almost always a gap.
Imagine having to go and see specialist about a lump in your breast, but you can’t afford the $60 gap. Or the same with a psychologist because you want to do something about changing your life and old choices? But you have to choose whether you can ‘afford’ to. These are some of the choices women I worked with had to deal with.
Community health and mental health waiting lists are ridiculously long, the same as public hospital waiting lists.
It’s just sad to see a system making money from disadvantage. Like the private clinics run by doctors driving flash cars making money from people’s drug dependence – charging them money for pharmacotherapy (methadone etc.) Sure it’s better than having to finance a drug habit, but it all adds up to the pressure of trying to live off that $35 a day.
Surely it should be free? So should it be free if you want to make an appointment with a psychologist next week. Instead you have to try and find one who bulk bills, come up with the gap money or wait in best terms 3 months to see one at a community health centre. Three months might be a bit late.
Just on a side point, I’ve seen a couple of comments questioning flat screen televisions in the story. Don’t you think that might about feeling a bit good about ourselves? We all like the latest i-pad or i-phone, because it makes us feel good or like we belong to the gang. We like nice shoes and dresses because they makes us feel good.
And perhaps when you live in disadvantage and surrounded by crap – a flat screen tele or nice runners make you feel a little better about yourself.
I feel grateful and lucky that I’ve been able to live a life free of most of what that these people have to contend with, and I certainly don’t begrudge those people who make a shed load of cash because they’ve worked and studied hard. It’s just a bit sad there’s a lot of people that forget how lucky we are and in return put something back into our community.
Wouldn’t it be great if we had governments and policy makers that make funding what works a priority instead of pandering to conservatives and persisting with a system that doesn’t work.
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Agree about the tv thing! I’d like someone to try and get a tv that’s NOT flat screen – they just don’t exist any more and havent for a good few years
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As has been stated by many contributors, education can help break the poverty cycle. However, the very word ‘education’ has a connotation of ‘top down’ imposition of one ‘will’ over another. Arguably it is this control aspect of education that alienates the students who most need support.
Therefore, rather than focusing on ‘education’ and ‘education funding’ perhaps we could choose to see all students as learners on a skill development path. Simple attitude shifts can have massive impact. For too often, decisions are made by account management types who forget ‘real’ people do not conform to pretty patterns on a balance sheet.
There are creative solutions that can make a difference, but we need to think ‘outside the box’. I wonder what would happen if a learning space (rather than a school) was established to support the adults in communities such as Claymore. It could provide meals, support and an opportunity to develop literacy skills. With literacy (critical, creative, digital, financial and emotional) parents would regain their voice and have a measure of control over their own life.
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A Learning Space sounds like a brilliant idea.
One of the fathers who was vocationally handicapped by being illiterate and whose long-term unemployment highlighted just how easy it is to get lost in the welfare system and cycle of poverty; surely literacy courses should be encouraged/enforced, as lacking those basic skills often prevent gainful employment?
I’m sure courses (English, forklift license etc) are offered to long-term unemployed, but what is stopping them? Not enough money to travel there (to the city, probably)? Not enough confidence?
Having a learning centre in the community itself would remove a lot of barriers
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I just watched this on iview. The thing that broke my heart was the dad who knew he was doing the wrong thing hitting his wife, didn’t quite know how to fix it and was determined to stay around to be with his kids. The way he spoke of the violence as something to be caught from one generation to the next – he had such insight and yet was so handicapped by his own upbringing.
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Maybe I am being an idealist, but I just don’t agree with lumping one group of people all together in the one spot. That goes for nationalities as well.
If you are surrounded by the same constantly, how do you learn, grow and expand beyond what you know?
There is always the few who are strong enough to work it out themselves and want change or better, but most will not be exposed to possibility.
Same goes for nationalities, some people come here and never go beyond their ethnic community because they all end up in the same spot.
Don’t get me wrong, I understand the need as human beings to identify with like people, but when the result creates negativity and no positive change it really needs to be readdressed!
I have always thought there should be a “life skills” class taught in schools. (Cooking, budgeting, communication in relationships, self care, domestic chores etc)…..Yes, that puts it back on teachers but seriously we could possibly lose some other stuff that, lets face it, never gets used once we leave school.
In a perfect world we think the parents would pass on this knowledge, but it would seem for a growing amount of people, that just isn’t happening, and people are being sent out into society without a clue!!
For the record I am a single working mum who lives week to week, so I do get how hard it can be.
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NSW’s education system is disgraceful.
Our family has moved to NZ, and the public education on offer is key.
On Sydney’s north shore secondary school fees are $20,000 annually and parents will pay this to avoid the Department of Education and its war zones.
The selective/non-selective division is scandalous and further entrenches social disadvantage.
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I think successful people who didn’t go to selective high schools would be a bit surprised to hear how hard done by we all were!
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Kris, I love your posts! You’re hilarious, and quite right.
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Thanks, Essen!
I did also comment that CityChick claiming they are “war zones” was a bit dramatic, but apparently that wasn’t OK.
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It’s all relative. I know of a school where students stand when an adult enters the room, shake hands with teachers, and bullying isn’t heard of, let alone weaponry. A lot of learning gets done. If you read the comments of many public school teachers you will notice that their schools are a world apart. Yes, a lot of us see those classroom conditions and see them as barbaric. I don’t mean to be patronizing but maybe it depends what standards you are used to. High levels of respect towards teachers should be a minimum and in lots of schools it is.
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So where are these warzones of the north shore?
I think you’re extrapolating quite extreme points of view. On one hand you’re talking about an extremely strict private school environment, and the other some pretty extraordinary examples of the other end of the spectrum. That doesn’t mean that ALL regular public schools are “war zones” or full of criminals that are packing weapons daily.
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Is there such a thing as a school with no bullying?!
Things aren’t always as they appear. A friend that went to a prestigious North Shore high school where respect was enforced was bullied mercilessly because “her house wasn’t big enough” and “she didn’t have sass and bide jeans”. This is one example of hundreds I can recount, and generally adults are rarely informed.
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As with selective high schools, kids bus and train to the north shore private schools from all over Sydney – and not just from the war-ravaged suburbs either, but disgruntled punters from the northern beaches and the Hills district.
And btw, by war I actually meant the Thirty Years War raging between teachers and the Dept of Ed. But sure, bullying, knifing – who needs it?
But sure, bullying too – I notice there is admonition against bullying plastered on the front public of every public secondary school website I have visited recently.
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Kids bus and train into north shore private schools from all over Sydney – not just the war-ravaged parts either. The disgruntled punters of the northern beaches and hills districts send across their kids, too.
But by war-zone, I mainly meant the Thirty Years War which has been ongoing between teachers and the Dept of Ed. But sure, since you mention: bullying, knifings – who needs ‘em?
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At my public high school, we called teachers Sir and Miss, and uniforms were enforced. They still are at the same school. At the primary school I did prac at earlier this year, uniform was enforced and manners and respect were drilled into the kids, and the kids followed it.
I do really think you’re overdramatising things, and you do sound patronising. I think you have an unrealistic view of both public and private schools and the people that make up their communities. NZ and it’s far superior school system is lucky to have you.
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Yes but that was a long time ago, we’re talking about the present situation
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I am so saddened that there are so many judgements being made about families that we do not know. Be grateful for what you have and show some empathy for those that are suffering. These children are our future and they and their carerers need our help. Look at Kirsten who has little but gives so much, that woman did not complain, her only concern was for her and her ill sisters kids. We need more woman like her in our communities.
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I watched the documentary last night and it reminded me of the years I lived in Glasgow, Scotland. There are many suburbs there like Claymore, and the cycle of poverty has been going on and on for generations and is so entrenched. Obviously there is no easy solution, but I believe that education is the key. Parents need support to manage their budget and get skills to get into the workforce; support to encourage their kids to work hard at school to optimise their future employment prospects. Jane Caro said it perfectly- we need to concentrate resources in these schools, like in Malcolm Gladwell’s book Outliers- there’s an example of a school in a low SES area that has longer school hours and specialised teachers and resources. Education and empowerment is the key. I don’t understand why governments don’t get creative in these areas to help our kids to be the best they can be.
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I work in a public high school in a notorious Sydney suburb and I have to say I love my job and where I work. There are absolutely kids from homes like the ones portrayed on Four Corners last night. There are also parents who try their very hardest to support their children. I have sat in interview rooms with parents who are in tears because they do not know how to rein in the wild behaviour of their teenage sons and daughters. It’s very easy to blame the parents, but in many cases the parents are the kids depicted on Four Corners last night, ten-fifteen years on. Social responsibility is not a revelation that one has when they turn 18. We, as a society, need to support the disadvantaged within our society by listening to the experts. Successive governments hand decisions about welfare, education and health to accountants. Barry O’Farrell’s NSW Government is decimating the education system to save money – they are stealing from the future of the kids I, and others, fight for every single day. We ALL need to stand up for the disadvantaged.
“First they came for the Communists but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists but I was not one of them, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews but I was not Jewish so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.”
Martin Niemoeller
Speak, Australians. Speak, New South Welshmen and women. Stand up for the rights and needs of the children of our state.
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I just signed up with the smith family to sponsor a child – this is an issue that needs much more awareness & a community response.
Sadly there are children in worse situations than those featured in the story. The repercussions for them and our society are huge.
We are all responsible for them.
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I think its good that the story of these people is being told. My mother is a teacher in Campbelltown and some of the stories of the children are simply heart breaking. the kids start with hope and determination to be something better but they have very little support and with the shit some of them go through even the strongest minded adult would struggle not to give up hope, so how would an 8 year old feel.
there are also the problems of autism, foetal drug and alcohol and other learning disabilities. people who end up in this situation are generally not the most intelligent meaning that education is hard, especially when it is not supported as the parent is uneducated and cant help their child with reading or maths homework, or they dont value it hence dont support their child.
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I grew up around Claymore, in the neighbouring suburbs. My house was 5 minutes away. Watching the program was difficult- I know exactly the streets they were in etc. I don’t know the answer to “fixing claymore”. But people need to be seeing the reality of that more and thinking about it. Watching the program I felt enormously grateful that as close as we came, my mother did manage to keep us out of Claymore.. The neighbouring suburbs weren’t always great, but there is such a hopelessness about claymore. And I felt enormously lucky that I got out of there. Then I felt guilty because I left that place a few years ago, and have never looked back. And some people say, that after getting out of that life, and moving past a difficult childhood and that poverty, why should I look back, but then- who will? A real reality check to sit here in my inner west apartment with my iPad charging nearby to realise that not everybody is as lucky as I am. The thing is – claymore is not far away, it’s an hour drive from the centre of Sydney, and little kids are growing up where they can’t even WISH for a life without violence. And I KNOW those kids will just continue the cycle of poverty and abuse. A lot of people talk about how the parents need to do better, but those parents are the kids grown up. Generation after generation after generation grow up with no one in the house having a job, and no one is surprised if and when people turn to drugs. Just heartbreaking. I just wish we knew what to do, and really applause four corners and Sarah ferguson for the story.
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I grew up in a housing area. I knew somehow from a young age that I wanted out that there had to be more. I have spoken to other friends who experienced the same thing. The one thing that made a difference was one significant adult that believed you could be more. This could have been a neighbour, teacher, parent, friend, babysitter just somebody who gave a toss.
Although the neighbourhood was harsh (Domestic violence, family violence, sexual abuse, alcohol abuse, poverty and hopelessness) there was some benefits. There was a sense of community especially among the women in the community who were suffering the most. There was sharing of things and even those that had nothing helped out where they could. There was a sense of pride when someone from my area one an award or was a sporting hero. There was a sense of looking after the extended family the old were not forgotten. Kids grew in to strong adults knowing they could face almost anything if they hadn’t fallen yet. (even if damaged)
You learn’t how to use mince 101 ways or how to make powdered milk last longer and longer. My background is who I am I probably would only change a couple of things the rest made me the strong woman I am today.
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This is what happends when you have a government like Labor and the greens who wants to make a name for themselves by wasting so much money on education without them having proper reforms.
It’s about time for the free market to correct the mistakes that Labor have made and our young kids don’t need to end up poor and badly educated. I feel a lost for these girls.
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Youre being very nieve if you this is just a labour governments problem.This is not one political parties problem, it has been going on for generations, in all states. It’s also not as simple to fix as simply changing a school system and it’s ridiculous to blame it on schools.
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What reforms would you suggest?
I’m not being snide, I am genuinely interested.
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How would the free market system fix this problem? Are you suggesting that under liberal governments we didn’t have these problems?
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thirty year old problem, things like this dont happen overnight or in the last 7 years. How about instead of blaming people everyone works together to find a solution. Its bloody obvious mistakes have been made. and did you actually watch it? you would have heard it was the current NSW lib government that has shelves the relocation and refurbishment of Claymore,
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I live in an area with a large number of welfare recipients. Most country towns have and area that is dedicated to public housing. Usually, it is better to spread these people out instead of shoving them all together accidentally creating a ghetto area. The houses are always trashed and they are regularly knocked down and rebuilt constantly. The problem for these kids are genetics and the cycle that never ends.
Where I am there are a trillion programs out there to help these people and the money is thrown around llike confetti. There are free breakfasts at school, a taxi bus to round up and make kids go to school and so many programs to help. It is so unbelievably hard to understand what will work and what is a waste of time and money.
Sometimes demolishing ghettos doesn’t work too. Before the Olympics The Block in Redfern was demolished and the residents were sent out to regional NSW towns to resettle. It only caused violence and mayhem as the different tribes didn’t get on. It happened in every town and Dubbo ended up demolishing their “bad” area. A lot of the residents didn’t want to leave their patch, as that was their home. It was bad all round and now residents are spread amongst all areas, but crime is still terrible and no one wants one of those families moving in next door when it brings so many problems with it. Catch 22 situation and I don’t know what will happen to Claymore, but sometimes relocation isn’t the best option.
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I don’t think the problem is “genetics”. It’s not fair or right to judge someone based on who their parents are. Everyone should be given the same educational opportunities and not have their confidence ruined by people telling them they probably can’t succeed in life because of their genes. There are plenty of no-hopers who grew up in very successful families too. If young people start believing it’s inevitable that they are going to end up like their parents they’ll give up on trying to better themselves.
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Oh I totally agree Anonymous! I probably could of worded that better when I said genetics.
I agree there are plenty of no hopers who come from great families. And really, that is sad too when someone has had every opportunity and failed at life.
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Girl Friday 67, It does seem rotten that the school could not allow that child to go on the excursion! How much would it have cost for the staff to make a collection for her? I don’t imagine it was an expensive day for kids from that school!
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Joan, why should teachers pay for excursions for other peoples kids ? As a teacher in an underprivileged area how could I choose to pay for one kid over another? Do you think she’s the only one missing out on excursions? I already buy many resources out of my own money, the school pays for breakfasts and lunches, teachers bring in second hand clothes for many of the kids, we shuttle kids to out of hours events eg choir because parents don’t have cars, cant get baby sitters for siblings or can’t be bothered and now we should start paying for excursions too!!!
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As a teacher in a public high school in one of NSW’s most disadvantaged suburb let me tell you that we get scrutinised over ‘helping out’ the children. I was criticised by my principal for buying a hungry kid a sandwich the other day…
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I missed out on school camps because we couldn’t afford it. Trust me, there is no way the student is going to tell the teacher about it so they can take up a collection. I was deeply embarrassed and never told anyone.
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At the beginning of the school year, my daughter, a teacher in a very disadvantaged suburb buys books, pencil cases ,pens anything else her students may need to start their school year. Our home is full of extra supplies the kids may need. She has also paid for excursions in secret. Many nights she comes home despairing for her students. There are some amazing teachers out there, doing wonderful deeds no one knows about.
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I was a single mum for 8 years without financial support from my ex-husband and a child in and out of hospital. I couldn’t work with an invalid child and the pension was my main source of income during that time so I know exactly how hard it is to make ends meet and give children a well rounded experience ie: out of school sporting persist and academic activities. Which is why I find it staggering that the government wants to cut payments to single parents next year. I used to have to live off around $250pw and it was beyond difficult, with prices having gone up so much over the last decade I doubt I could live on that now.
I’m so sad for the future of these children trapped in housing commission estates. It’s a vicious cycle of poverty that so few manage to break free from. I honestly don’t think there are really great answers to this but I think Margaret Thatcher had a pretty good idea when she introduced a scheme that made all new housing estates in England have a percentage of public housing. This made sure that the financially disadvantage had the opportunity to live in areas amongst those who were working class and middle class meaning that there was less of a ‘ghetto’ experience. Perhaps that is the answer? Thought I’m sure many privileged people would not like the idea.
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That’s true, but then she sold the properties to the tenants, which helped only one generation then promptly redistributed the property back to the wealthy (from wiki):
After Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister in May 1979, the legislation to implement the Right to Buy was passed in the Housing Act 1980. The sale price of a council house was based on its market valuation but also included a discount to reflect the rents paid by tenants and also to encourage take-up. The legislation gave council tenants the right to buy their council house at a discounted value, depending on how long they had been living in the house, with the proviso that if they sold their house before a minimum period had expired they would have to pay back a proportion of the discount. The sales were an attractive deal for tenants and hundreds of thousands of homes were sold. The policy is regarded as one of the major points of Thatcherism.
Proceeds of the sales were paid to the local authorities, but they were restricted to spending the money to reduce their debt until it was cleared, rather than being able to spend it on building more homes. The effect was to reduce the council housing stock, especially in areas where property prices were high such as London and the south-east of England.
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Ooops, meant to say ‘sporting pursuits’ Darn you auto correct!
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I just don’t understand why poverty = living in squalor. And surely the school would not exclude a child from an excursion if the parent asked for help? This article was not just about children living in poverty. It was about the other issues that seem to go with dysfunctional parenting, drug and alcohol abuse and abusive parental relationships. So, because of their totaly inept selfish childish and dysfunctional parents, these kids are missing out. Not just because of money. Makes me so mad. The rest of us who work our bums off (and yes, I could have been homeless and dysfunctional too) to pay our health insurance, taxes, private schooling, mortgages and superannuation, also get to feel really guilty because of these ‘poor’ kids. There is no easy answer. Maybe World Vision needs to set up child sponsorship here in Australia like they do in 3rd world countries.
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No, they really don’t. Others have it much worse than our ‘poverty’ levels. Check Sierra Leone.
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If you watch the Four Corners episode you’ll see that the child said that she didn’t ask her parents for the money, so they presumably did not know about it. If you’re interested, some charities (I think the Smith Family included) do run programs to ‘fund’ a disadvantaged child here in Australia!
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I have family who live in Claymore. Let me assure you that while most residents are poor, not all of them live in squalor. Only five families were interviewed.
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There’s been a lot of talk on this comment thread about educating and supporting the teenage girls in these communities.
If anyone in Sydney (or elsewhere) is interested, there is a program that allows you to sponsor a teenage mother throughout her HSC at Loyola Senior High School, Mount Druitt. Loyola draws a lot of its students from the nearby Bidwill housing estate, and provides a huge amount of bursaries/free places.
I can’t remember for the life of me what the program’s called, but it happens over Christmas. I’m pretty sure it’s organised by the Parramatta Diocese and Jesuit Social Services.
But, as it’s been said below, all of the major charity organisations (Vinnies, Salvos, the Smith Family etc) have a presence in these areas. Just put your hand up to deliver hampers, or perform house calls, or do homework help at a local library.
Part of the issue with housing commission is that it creates a ‘them’ and ‘us’ mentality. An idea that there are poor/dangerous/undesirable people ‘over there.’ But when you actually visit these communities, you realise that the distinction is stupid, and that the people who live in housing commission are some of the nicest, most hospitable and friendly people you’ll ever meet.
The programs are out there, it’s just a matter of raising awareness.
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Yes the amount of $$ you get on welfare payments is well below the poverty line. Yes it can be hard to make ends meet. But it can be done. I am a single mum on centrelink at the moment and my boys do not go with out. We rent a pretty nice (little) house, we eat very healthy food, they have new clothes as they grow and get to go on school excursions. It can be done. Granted there is not much left over for luxuries but I try to make up for that by spending time with them. For a holiday we might go camping or visit a family member instead of staying in a motel. Their christmas presents get put on layby in july when big w and target have their sales on so I have 6months to pay it off and it always includes clothes. I just don’t understand how these poor kids go without? As a Mum I go with out a lot of things that others take for granted just so my boys don’t suffer.
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Well done Kelly. Well done for proving that being low on income does not automatically mean turning to drug or alcohol abuse or living in deprivation. You are an inspiration. Keep up the great work. One day your beautiful grown up sons will turn around (probably when they are parents themselves) and thank you for the wonderful job you did. I am thanking you, because you are doing your best not to raise dysfunctional adults who will later be a burden on our welfare system. More power to you sweetheart!
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Kelly thankyou for sharing your story of strength in hostile environments.
However would you be so kind to share what amount of welfare you receive p/f & what your cost of rent is. Ive spoken to folks living in commision flats & they tell me they pay up to $200pw & only receive $800p/f. This amount only leaves them $200pw to manage food, travel, communication, medicine & utilities. I was alarmed when confronted with this news because I cannot fathom how anyone survives on this peasant sum. Why should you go without anyway? Why should your standard of living be sub-standard? Thanks in advance
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When I registered with Housing NSW I was told that they charge the highest amount of rent assistance that you can get, which for me was about $300 a week. Luckily I was able to move in with my Mum and pay her rent, otherwise we would have been screwed. Waiting lists are ridiculous – 10 years. I doubt I’ll ever need a place, because by the time my number comes up for housing, I’ll have finished my degree and be on the way to saving a deposit for a house.
$800 a fortnight before rent assistance sounds about right. Maybe it’s a little bit more, but not much. I think it would depend on the ages of the kids, how many kids you have as well.
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Well done Kelly. Do keep in mind though that other parents may find it more difficult. It is hard to get a lease on a nice (little) house if you are not well spoken or have several missing teeth or some other problem with your appearance that is not easily fixed. . When my husband and I were looking to buy a house several years ago we drove around to estate agents asking for lists of properties in certain neighborhoods we were interested in and were told they didn’t have anything, over and over again. They took one look at us and made a lot of assumptions.
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The children interviewed missed school for various reasons one of which was suspension. I don’t understand suspensions as it seems to punish the children more, in terms of missing out on education
I understand that public schools do not (and should not) tolerate physical violence (throwing desks etc,) however suspending a student does not seem to address the issues behind the violence and only seems to disadvantage the student further.
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We also know that the moment you disengage kids from school their risk of most things (drugs, suicide etc ) increases. Keep them engaged in what ever way we can.
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Hi Bel a lot of people share your view about suspensions. As a teacher in charge of welfare at a disadvantaged school I would be interested to know what you and others think the alternative is. The fact is that if a student refuses to follow instructions there is very little the school can do about it. Any consequence / or preventative programs administered within the school relies on students following directions. Non-compliance and a refusal to follow simple and reasonable requests is probably the biggest problem I have come across in schools. Suspension therefore is really the only option as there is simply no other course of action when a student persistently refuses to follow directions (ie refuses to go to class, refuses to stay in bounds, refuses to stay behind and talk to the teacher and refuses to comply with the all the preventative strategies put in place to avoid suspension eg monitoring card, mentoring program, counselling etc.
Regarding violence the school has a duty of care to suspend immediatetly any student who is violent towards others. One of the main reasons is for the safety of the other students.
As part of the suspension process parents / carers are required to attend a meeting at the school. Often a suspension is the only time the school can get the parents to the school (not for want of trying!)
It is actually my opinion that suspension rates should be higher as I don’t believe they currently reflect the serious behaviour issues facing NSW piublic schools. Until the NSW department of education and the community at large are made fully aware of just how extreme some of the behaviour issues are in public schools there will be little change.
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I live about 15 minutes away from Claymore and watching 4 Corners last night just felt surreal. Claymore is a completely different world to me. It’s just completely incomprehensible to me that there’s such a massive economic and social divide in such a small geographical area. I just can’t get my head around the fact that exists.
I often wonder whether the people who commissioned the building of suburbs like Claymore and other “welfare ghettos” in Campbelltown, like Airds and parts of Rosemeadow, ever had an inkling of what they were creating when they hastily bought up land during economically slow times in the 1970s and put dense areas of public housing on it to keep the building industry going. By 1978, nearly 1 in 3 residents of Campbelltown were public housing tenants concentrated in these reasonably small areas. Surely they must have known how drastically they were altering the social balance of the entire city and what it would mean for these new subrubs.
I have friends from Claymore and I’ve met a few kids from the area being a coach for one of the local netball clubs. I know quite a few people who’ve managed to turn it around. If there’s one thing I’d love to figure out in life it’s what motivates some people to change their lives; what makes that switch flick that drives them into ending the cycle they’ve been born into.
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“If there’s one thing I’d love to figure out in life it’s what motivates some people to change their lives; what makes that switch flick that drives them into ending the cycle they’ve been born into.”
Kate, as a mentor of four underprivileged teenage girls, I ask myself this constantly. I have three mentees who, at this stage, after four years of mentoring, still have no motivation to change their lives. My fourth mentee is more motivated than the other three put together, and she’s had a much worse time of it.
From what I’ve seen, your genetic make-up has a lot to do with it. It’s an uncomfortable reality that some people are simply more intelligent than others, more driven than others or care more about their future than others.
My mentoring experience is a work in progress. I’m looking forward to seeing the light go on for my other three mentees. I’ll be sticking by them for life no matter what, but I have a feeling the light will NEVER go on for one or two of them.
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Good on you for being a mentor!
My concern is your comment “some people are more intelligent than others”.
I was a teacher in severely deprived areas for four years. The effects of violence and neglect are well-documented, including the negative impacts on childrens’ ability to learn. Children who have been subjected to, or have witnessed, violence often suffer various post-traumatic symptoms including hypervigilance (which is exhausting and distracting for them), hyperactivity or withdrawal (neither conducive to learning, especially in underfunded overcrowded classrooms with other similarly traumatised children) and a general lack of confidence and self-esteem.
This applies to children from any income bracket but obviously kids in disadvantaged areas often have less chance of getting the tutoring, counselling, and other services needed to overcome their emotional and learning difficulties.
Obviously it can’t be done (ethically) but if you could take the child of a wealthy and a poor family and swap them at birth, the “wealthy” child in the poor environment would probably struggle and the “poor” child in the privileged environment would prosper.
While I understand the tendency to assume that if the one with the “worst” life can get ahead, there must be something deficient with the others, this seems very harsh. You can’t possibly know the full history of all 4 mentees. The impacts of violence etc. are different for each individual. Your statement “some people are more driven than others or care more about their future than others” is true, but it doesn’t explain why that is, which is what the 4 Corners episode was trying to do.
Also, literacy begins at home, so children of families where literacy is not highly valued or where parent/s have low literacy skills are almost automatically at a disadvantage. This is not about intelligence – literacy is a skill that has to be learnt.
I think it’s wonderful that you are actively helping so please don’t take this as any sort of attack on you or what you do! I just hope you keep researching the effects of multigenerational poverty and trauma to better understand why it is that so many kids find it so hard escape the cycle they’ve been born into.
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AJ, I agree with what you’re saying.
Two of my four mentees have been diagnosed as ‘slow’ – slow enough to get a disability pension from the government – but I honestly don’t think they’d be ‘slow’ if they’d grown up in a stable, loving family, where they would have been fed properly, cared for, read to and tutored if they fell behind in school. Having said that, my third mentee is from the same family, and she’s not considered ‘slow’ by the government, so I still believe intelligence and various other strengths and weaknesses are part-nature, part-nurture.
Anyway, because they didn’t grow up in a stable, loving family, I need to meet them where they’re at. And, at this stage, their intelligence is extremely limited. But it’s not so much their intelligence or anything else that’s the problem. It’s their total, utter and complete lack of motivation. I understand this is symptomatic of their upbringing. But if it’s impossible to get through to them then what’s the point of me mentoring them?
I have no idea if the light is ever going to go on in their heads that, if they want to have a better life than their parents, they need to DO things, such as study, work, look after their health and utilize all the amazing resources Australia has to offer. I’ve stopped trying to motivate them because nothing’s worked. Now, I’m just being there for them, keeping in touch regularly by phone and Facebook, seeing them once every couple of months and hoping that the light will go on eventually.
What I’ve learned over the past four years is that mentoring is only small one cog in the wheel. Early intervention (including education/mandatory parenting classes or the like) and legislation around handouts, the baby bonus and child welfare is where it’s at. Schools and community services are also only one cog in the wheel. It’s the old ‘You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink’ analogy.
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‘one small cog’ that was!
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It’s clear govt has no solutions to the growing gap between the have’s & have not’s. We are all complicit in this outcome for we ourselves have become participants in the personal quest for riches at the expense of our fellow Australian’s. If unemployment is a constant in our country then why have we not demanded that welfare payments need raising drastically to be on par with cost of living? Is it because for generations the govt has brainwashed working Australians into a narrow mindset that “they’re all dole bludgers”?. poverty creates crime & therefore encourages crime in these typically “no go” areas. Minimum wage across the board has to be raised significantly to a figure close to $1000 per week for families & $750 per week for individuals. This figure is after tax & also applies to the unemployed. It’s easily within our nations means if we cut waste spending, tax multinationals, & reject politicians ever increasing pay packets. Also this measure can be achieved within 1 year if we scrap our reliance on a private cartel to print out currency & instead do it ourselves without incurring criminal debts whilst doing so.
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Sorry Benjamin, but raising the minimum wage isn’t going to help. In case you didn’t pick up on the point, in most of those families neither parent worked.
Mind you, if they can afford smart phones, mag wheels, plasma tv’s, the dole musn’t be to bad . . .
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You don’t really have any idea at all do you…..
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The people I know on new start allowance ( the dole), which equates to around $200 a week, certainly aren’t buying mag wheels, they don’t even own a car. Like Faybian said, you really have no idea.
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I think Lj has a point – the poverty is more an ‘educational’ poverty, as opposed to a material one. Jamie Oliver said a similar thing about the poorest people in the UK, they all had plasma TVs but nobody knows how to cook a healthy meal.
I say this as someone who has lived abroad for many years, in Australia the lifestyle is much better for the poor than in other places. I don’t say they don’t go without – but compared to our peers, the UK and the USA, for example – there is more support here.
I believe the main problem is education. We are not getting access to adequate education depending on where we live.
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I saw a brand new apple PC in the bedroom of the husband living in the garage. Seriously. Where does that many come from? Credit Card?
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Maybe it was stolen? Maybe he got it reconditioned through a scheme I’ve seen advertised at Centrelink offices? Maybe it wasn’t as “brand new” as you think.
Just round the corner from my closest Centrelink there are 2 of those loan shark places. Where do you think the money comes from?
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Oh, and for all the people “How very dare they”ing about what people might have – you can get interest free loans for stuff like kitting out your home, as well as advance payments that you pay back over 6 months.
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How much do you think the stuff you listed as not allowed if you’re poor actually costs?
I got a smart phone last year at Woolies for $140 prepaid. They’re even cheaper now. You need a phone, and I would say that most would not have a home line in addition to their mobiles.
Again, you seem to be assuming that their tvs were bought new and are of a high quality.
Big W has 32″ HD TVs for $300.
You NEED a phone to be in contact with other people, with Centrelink, for applying for jobs. Centrelink push everyone online, or at least onto their phone lines.
Kids at high school are issued with laptops now, so that explains the computers.
People getting their knickers in a knot about someone having a TV or mobile show as much disconnect as the government does when working out what is an acceptable amount for being to be able to adequately survive on. The things that people complain about others having are really not luxuries anymore. They’re necessities.
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Such an important story that def needed telling. I consider myself a working class person, with a family, big mortgage, ongoing bills etc etc to keep me working but I felt ashamed so see these fellow Australians suffer so much. How does this happen? Why is it happening? How have they been forgotten. How can we help? Its shocking and can’t go on. These families need a chance to lead happy productive lives. These kids need to smile..and be kids again. So sad.
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i worked with a gorgeous 12 yo Aboriginal Kid who refused to go to school. He watched the services tie themselves up into knots trying to get him to go. He attended special schools, special programmes. And he stayed home. He knew no one could make him go.
He was a bright kid, and was biding his time until he could work. As one of the workers with him, I strongly felt that he would have thrived in an apprenticeship, but he was considered too young. Such a shame.
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Thanks for posting this – it’s a really important story that needs to be seen beyond the typical ABC viewers.
This is the kind of generational inequity that we will see in the new urban fringe developments being built now, in 30 years – no transport, poor resources and services, no green spaces, no access to good quality food, poor job prospects and a lot of disenfranchised people who have been burnt by ‘the system’ too many times.
Tough viewing, but a must watch!
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Our community is currently objecting to a proposed development for a couple of thousand very small blocks of high density housing. The developers have stated that they want to put low cost housing on the blocks.
We have no public transport, one packed to the brim primary school and no other facilities whatsoever. Most people have moved to the area because they can afford it (acreage), have cars, jobs etc and are painfully aware of what the implications of such a development are. I’d love to know when governments will learn.
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Education is vital to breaking the cycle. I was very lucky to be born into a family with parents who both worked and who did everything they could to support my education. So many children are not as lucky.
I want to help other children get the same benefits from education so now sponsor a child through the Smith Family Learning for Life program and the work they do is amazing. I don’t have any affiliation to them at all except that I’m a sponsor, but if you’re interested in finding more about how you can help one of the children who are living in struggling families in Australia, go to
http://www.thesmithfamily.com.au/site/page.cfm?u=297.
Basically the sponsorship helps families pay for education related expenses like excursions, textbooks, shoes etc. and also a Smith Family worker to help the children enjoy school and get a good education.
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I do this too – a really practical way to help.
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I am very interested in this, can I ask though, does the money go to the parents directly to purchase school items. I hope I dont sound mean but I want to be sure the money is being spent on the child and not other things. Do they have to provide receipts??
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Not as far as I know, and the structure changed a while back to include some admin costs but I am prepared to support that because I know that we’re not just talking “chuggers” admin costs, but things like the salaries of support workers etc and the money has to come from somewhere.
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I can honestly say that being a part of Learning for Life is one of the most rewarding things I’ve ever done. The best $39 a month you’ll ever spend. I’m sponsoring a young boy and his progress reports are a real highlight for me. Such a simple way to help but (hopefully) it will have profound long-term effects for a whole family.
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Great idea.. I just signed up. Thanks for sharing!
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We have sponsored two kids for the last 5 years. Best investment we’ve ever made!
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Very well said Deb.
Brutality and violence occurs in both well off and poor families. The fact that someone takes the time to tell a child that they are valuable and that their dreams are possible makes all the difference.
Adults modelling appropriate behaviour for child will have far more benefit that just throwing more money at a toxic environment.
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The adults need to be taught the behaviours they should be modelling, many havn’t experienced it themselves and funding is needed
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I saw a similar story about Macquarie Fields, also on the outskirts of Sydney a few years ago. While I haven’t yet watched this one, it sounds like the main difference is that the viewpoint was from the kids view point as opposed to the adults in the Macquarie Fields doco.
Unfortunately, there are suburbs like this all over Australia. My husband has mentioned Elizabeth in SA and I know of Broadmeadows, Dandenong and the Pines, Frankston to name but a few in Melbourne.
I work in one of the crappiest suburbs in Brisbane. The health and education stats are woeful and amongst the worst in the state. We visit “high risk” families for a year or so after their baby is born, providing the parents are happy for us to, of course. We have access to some really helpful programs, but the parents have to want to access them. That can be one of the most frustrating things about our job, but whether anyone likes it or not, it’s still a free country and the only people that have any hope of forcing people to do things they don’t want to do are the police and DOCS staff. It’s a hard truth that most people don’t escape this cycle and can be hard to live with, knowing that.
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Faybian my dad was a new migrant to australia in the 60′s and grew up in Elizabeth. I don’t know if it’s changed at all but the stories he tells are harrowing. God bless people like you, even if some of the families don’t want your help.
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Occasionally we make a difference and it’s all good then. I have to admit, the job’s changed me, sometimes, not for the better, but I generally like most of the people I work with.
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As an Adelaide teacher I can tell you Elizabeth is good compared to swallowcliffe, davaron park and a few others. It’s not uncommon for teachers to provide food for the kids, take them to after school events etc. or part of the school budget is used to pay for food and clothes for these kids? But tony Abbott tells us that what’s not fair is that private schools receive less percentage funding than public! No idea
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My husband hasn’t lived in SA for a long time, so I’m not really surprised that the worst suburb is different now. These things can and do change over time.
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I didn’t say it was good but just that there are worse. However, I will say that the council there is putting a lot of effort into making the north of adelaide a better place to live but there continues to be problems out there.
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It is still not the sort of place you would want to run out of petrol in…
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Especially at night
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Where are the crappiest suburbs in Brisbane? I was talking to my husband about it the other day and said we are lucky that we don’t have any neighborhoods like Mt Druitt or M. Fields here. Even if you are on a low income and can’t afford to pay much rent you can still live in an ok neighborhood here. Inala, Woodridge, Morayfield etc really aren’t that bad? I live in the inner North so don’t really know but the few times I’ve visited our dodgier suburbs they didn’t seem as bad as some of the suburbs interstate.
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Woodridge IS that bad. and yes I live in the next suburb to it.
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I grew up in Morayfield. It really is that bad, though Caboolture was worse when I still lived in the area. I moved away as soon as I could afford to and I hate going back there. Caboolture is starting to get some nice new estates on the outskirts, though. But those aren’t the sort of thing that is accessible to the welfare dependant.
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Oh Woodridge isn’t that bad isn’t it? Yes, that’s where I work and it IS bad. Like I said, it has amongst the worst stats for just about everything in the whole state. I’ve worked at Logan hospital (has one of the busiest suburban maternity units in Brisbane) and community health there for years. Ipswich and Goodna before that. I had an ambo friend tell me that she far preferred Goodna to Woodridge, because of the sh*t that happens so often in Woodridge.
Yes, I’ll admit that there are probably worse suburbs in Melbourne. I’ve been to some pretty dodgy ones in my time, but lets face it, dodgy is dodgy.
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Ok, thanks for your reply. I just wondered. It’s hard to get a proper sense of a place when you’re just driving through. I thought perhaps living in individual houses rather than in mega blocks of flats like in some parts of Sydney and poor neighborhoods overseas might make for a relatively better lifestyle.
But yes, I suppose dodgy is dodgy.
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Some of Sydney’s wealthiest people live in ‘mega blocks of flats’. It’s hardly an indicator of poverty.
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I am well aware of that Laura S. I’ve also seen the way some low-income families live in teeny flats (in Europe) where there is little space for anything and almost definitely no spot to sit and do your homework without being interrupted because there are multiple people sharing rooms. It’s even difficult for the kids to get enough sleep because things aren’t quiet until the adults decide to go to bed. My theory is kids living like that might find it easier to cope in larger homes.
I’m assuming ‘Sydney’s wealthiest people’ don’t have large families sharing one or two tiny bedrooms, sometimes with more than one person per bed. Or incredibly noisy neighbors because the old places have no noise insulation.
(I know housing commission don’t allow shared bedrooms but not every poor family is in a housing commission home)
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Anonymous, I’ve seen the inside of some of those high rise govt flats, as well as the “walk up flats” in Melbourne and they too can be pretty horrendous, but size wise they’re ok for a flat. Usually 2 bedroom. The worst flats I’ve seen we’re the ones in a northern suburb of Melbourne built for the 1956 Olympics athletes originally. They were meant to be temporary only, but have housed public tenants ever since. I haven’t seen them for a while, so they might be razed by now, hopefully.
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A couple of parts of and around Woodridge are really bad. Just behind my place of work is the area with mostly govt housing. Even the people who live there don’t like it. Also Kingston is generally pretty crappy too (apologies to anyone that lives in either suburb).
I’ve also worked in the crap areas around Beenleigh (Eagleby) and Goodna (and Riverview). Aah, the fun places I get to go. Colleagues of mine tell me that a couple of the islands in Moreton Bay are “interesting”.
The thing is, once you get to know people in these areas, they’re just as nice or not as people everywhere. They just tend to be stuck in an area with other people with more problems than the average joe.
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I see this and then I see Keeping up with the Idiots or whoever they are and I shake my head. So much need and yet we continue to encourage hero worship of those who have so much they don’t know what to do with it….Imagine if these kids had one iota of what they have, bet they’d appreciate it more.
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when those kids access compensation $, it’s all gone in months. They appreciate it, but I never see them put it to long-term use.
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Just to add to my above comment, I think the people that continually blame society & the government for their circumstances should take a look at some of the disadvantaged American people before they complain about their welfare payments, free accomodation, free education & free healthcare.
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why are we looking at American welfare? this is Australia and these are our people we have left behind….
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I didn’t see 4 corners, but didn’t read about anyone complaining in the articles. I find people complain more as their income goes up. I have a high income and count myself lucky.
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What free housing???
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I think the saddest thing about the welfare ghettoes is the absence of role models for the kids to look up to -everyone around them is caught in the same vicious cycle of dependance, poverty and hopelessness.
I was brought up in a single-parent welfare dependant household myself but we rented a unit privately in a ‘nice’ area of town, I went to an excellent public high school and there were adults in my life who worked hard at jobs they were good at and who got ahead. So if I felt I missed out on anything as a teenager because we were poor, I also knew that the way out of that situation was hard work and doing well at school. Ultimately, I wound up with a university education and a great career because poverty motivated me to study and work hard.
But if kids can’t see success around them, and nobody tells them that there is a way out of poverty, then it looks pretty bleak to those kids. I’ve worked with kids in disadvantaged areas for 20 years (in education) and you see kids who are hopeless – sitting at home watching tv or getting up to petty crime in the streets instead of coming to school because they just can’t see the point of school.
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Well said. I have a friend who has cleaned toilets and gone without to give her daughter every advantage she could. A stable home with a single, loving parent, not a stream of ‘uncles’ and a community where people are productive has seen this young woman finish her HSC in a low socio-economic area and head off to Sydney Uni.
Close the slums and get these kids spread out into areas where things are different and they can break the cycle.
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I agree that this would be really helpful but whenever they try to move social housing into other areas everyone starts crying “not in my backyard!” “it will change the character of my neighbourhood etc”. Very frustrating!
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just listened to
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/ the story is called “back to school’
fantastic podcast about this very issue. lts a must listen to program. Fascinating work being done in the states with these kids. It strats a bit slowly but gets more and more interesting as it goes….
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the $1.7 billion cut in education is just disgraceful.
doesn’t this country want a future? doesn’t australia want smart, well educated people to lead it in the future?
just don’t get it.
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I am a single mum who was working partime but had to give up work to ill health. I live in a middle class area in the Blue Mountains. The rent in this area use to be afforable but that is no longer the case. My rent is $300 per week. The place is a run down dumpIi am on the Dept housing waiting list. Both my kids attend outstanding Govt schools. One in year 5 attends the local primary school the other in high school goes to the lower mountains. The local high school in the Upper mountains has a very bad name and very poor outcomes for its students. The changes to the partening payment happing next year will force more people into deeper poverty.
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