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Melbourne vs Sydney

 

 

 

 

It’s the debate that’s divided, well, Sydneysiders and Melburnians since Sydney’s first settlers sent letters to Melbourne to brag about the sunshine.

Sydney has beaches. Melbourne has laneways. Sydney has ferries. But Melbourne has trams. Melbourne has Top Shop, but Sydney’s blessed with an airport train and free wi-fi in the domestic terminal.

It’s a tough one.

Wendy Squires knows all too well about the pros and cons of both cities. She’s lived in Sydney all her life, but moved to Melbourne a year ago. She writes about the move – and the city that’s stolen her heart – in this article for The Age.

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Wendy Squires

DEAR Sydney,

This is possibly the hardest thing I have ever had to write but after a few years of trying, it’s time. You see, I can’t go on as we were.

You have to know that things between us haven’t been good for a while. Well, maybe you don’t, because let’s face it, we haven’t been communicating lately. I feel that as close as we once were, it’s like we’re strangers. I don’t know you any more and in a way, I feel like you don’t want to know me.

 

She goes on to write about the good times they shared together. She was smitten by the the Olympics in 2000, but in the decade or so since, things have changed. The spark disappeared. The chemistry just wasn’t there. Sydney, she writes, “you became ageist”.

More from Wendy:

Let’s take our social life for a start. We go out and it’s the pretty young things you seem to be interested in. And they are everywhere. Model types, hip wannabes, hangers-on – where did all our real friends go? I’m so tired of that flash of eye over my shoulder to see if anyone more interesting or, even better, famous, is around.

You love your celebrities, don’t you? But we all can’t be one, you know. And some, like me, have no interest in ever being in the social pages or hugging a flute at some pseudo social event or got to-be-seen-at trendy new restaurant.

I can see you rolling your eyes, but I am serious. Maybe it’s part of being so hip, but you are attracting a lot of shallow types. And with them comes that other thing you know I can’t stand. Yes, I am going to bring this up again because as much as I have complained in the past, it seems to be getting worse.

Wendy, I hear ya. I moved to Sydney a few months ago. When one of my work colleagues today implied that I had broken up with Melbourne to do so, I corrected her. We’re in a long distance relationship.

Don’t get me wrong – I love Sydney. It’s beyond charming. But it’s like dating a musician and then a supermodel. Both have their perks. But they’re different.

Anyway, back to Wendy and her breakup. It’s the drug problem, she says, that’s the ultimate deal breaker.

I know, you are a party type and you think it is just part of the lifestyle. But it’s more than that. It’s an issue and, for me, it’s a deal breaker.

Do you know how long I have had to wait outside packed toilet cubicles when out? Hours. Then out stumbles a ping-eyed mob of poseurs all pinching their noses. Does anyone ever actually use toilets for their proper purpose these days? I can’t see how they can. And I know what people pay for cocaine, all the while complaining it’s low-grade and not as good as the stuff in LA/New York/insert trendy city du jour. But it’s back for more every time.

There was the dinner party that left her lying in bed feeling lonely, disconnected. The tone of the party changed when word spread that the dealer had been called.

The sleazebag didn’t stay long but he certainly made an impact. The guests all separated into bedrooms and bathrooms, returning half an hour later with dilated pupils and chattering mindless gibberish. No one ate my food and, as I was the only straight person in the room, bothered talking to me.

Considering many were middle-aged with kids and mortgages, I marvelled at how time hadn’t moved on. What may have been passed off as fun in our 20s seems quite sad and pathetic at this age. Surely they could have worked out how to enjoy themselves without coke by now? Surely they would be over paying all that money and the inevitable comedown that follows?

“I longed for people I can relate to, adults who have actually grown up,”  she writes. She goes on:

I know what you are thinking right now. Damn, you are vain. But OK, since you ask, yes, there is another. It’s early days yet but so far I am happy. I feel included, valued and relevant again. I don’t know if it’s love yet but, well, it just might be heading that way. No, my new romance may not be as attractive as you, but it has depth. And I need that.

I think you would get on with Melbourne, Sydney, but you may be too arrogant to agree. My new city reminds me of you in happier times, before you became blinded by your own beauty.

Narcissus fell into his own reflection and drowned, you know. You are surrounded by water, my old friend. Beware.

You can read Wendy’s the full article here.

Do you have any thoughts on the characteristics of Melbourne or Sydney? What about the town or city you grew up in? How do you feel about it?

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173 Comments so far

  1. over sydney

    I used to think this was the best city in the world (and I have lived in quite a few) in the 90s and up to 2003. Then it went downhill. Badly. The level of rudeness and aggression in this city on a daily basis is highly disturbing. The traffic is appalling, the city has a faded “past its prime” look and the food is over-priced and under-whelming. Time to sell and move. But where?? Melbourne is a lovely city and I have found those from Melbourne to be open, friendly and pleasant.

    Sydney, I thought I would love you forever but we are so done.

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  2. Sydney

    I live in Sydney but really like Melbourne as well. I find this argument really one-sided because Sydneysiders often like visiting Melbourne and sing its praises while Melbournites are so quick to criticize our perceived vacuous nature.

    Also, Wendy you were just mixing with an unattractive crowd. Sure drug use is prevalent in Sydney, just as it is in Melbourne, but I happily go out or attend dinner parties without people snorting coke around me. Sorry your Sydney friends were so tacky, but they are the absolute exception to the Sydney scene.

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  3. Anonymously

    Wendy, your article resonated with me. I was born and bred in Sydney. Never thought I would leave but did so 6 years ago. As a Sydneysider I was always aware of the importance of where you lived. I grew up in the west and also lived in many different suburbs including the inner city, north shore and eastern suburbs and I noticed the different reactions i got when i told people where i was living. I also agree, partying and trashing yourself is more widely accepted in Sydney and people are more fixated on material wealth. Melburnians love a good conversation and are interested in what you have to say, more than what you do or where you live. Sure Sydney is a beautiful city with a spectacular Harbour, and gorgeous beaches but I was and still am happy to exchange that with what I have found in Melbourne – generally friendly and polite people, beautiful parks my kids can play in, it’s far more kid/family friendly. People mix better here, not just people from different backgrounds but also different ages. Sydney is great if you are young and have money and can afford to live by the beaches.

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  4. Kaye

    Maybe I have a different perpective, as I’ve only lived in australia for 7 years, but both are great cities! I love my visits to Melbourne, but I love to live in Sydney. And I agree with some other comments – I’ve never heard anyone slag off Melbourne (except to say remember your umbrella). But every one of my Melbourne friends has had something derogatory to say about my city. Rude! I just ignore it.
    And also – what kind of dinner party was Wendy at??? Maybe its not the city she has fallen out of love with, maybe just her old friends…

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  5. Megs

    If you don’t like it mate just leave and don’t come back

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  6. Anonymous

    Melbourne is so much cooler!

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    • Anonymous

      I lived 1 year in Sydney and have now been 1 year in Melbourne and to be honest, I prefer Sydney…
      I had high hopes for Melbourne and it’s a lovely city but the people….especially the costumer service….are tactless and disrespectful.

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  7. Guest

    Just curious. Quite a few people have mentioned that compared to Sydney, Melbourne has “substance”. I’m wondering exactly what you mean by that.

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  8. Anonymous

    I HATE Sydney. I went down to visit friends and see some talks at the Opera House last year and I was there for about 15 minutes before I remembered just why I disliked it so much. I don’t want to generalise, and I’m sure Sydneysiders aren’t all like this – but seriously, with a little patience and manners it would actually be bearable to visit. Why are so many of them so rude? Ugh, give me Melbourne, Brisbane, Hobart and even Cairns before Sydney

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  9. Scarlett

    I loved reading this article and the associated comments. I have lived in Perth my entire life and I’m moving to Melbourne to live in a months time. People are always asking me why Melb instead of Syd and its really annoying time and time again justifiying my decision. The way I describe my choice is that when I visit Syd I enjoy the beauty of it, particularly the harbour but its too fastpaced for me and I always look forward to getting home to Perth whereas when I visit Melb it just feels like home…and am really hoping it will be my new home for at least a few years…On the other hand my little sister lives in Sydney and loves it and yes like many have commented she is the very flashy beautiful socialite, with the numerous model/celeb friends whom party hard but it suits her in her early twenties.

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  10. Swell

    Have lived in both cities and loved them both for different reasons. In my experience the majority of people that care about the Sydney v Melbourne debate are from Melbourne.

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  11. KazLivesHere

    I grew up in the country and moved to Sydney after uni. I lived there for 3 1/2 years, then moved to London. After my two years are up here I’ll probably end up in Melbourne (or head to Canada).

    I like moving around and I appreciate the differences between Sydney and Melbourne. How boring would it be if they were both the same?

    I probably won’t live in Sydney again, but I’ll definately visit. When I lived there, I visited Melbourne a lot as well. I like moving around and I appreciate the differences between Sydney and Melbourne. How boring would it be if they were both the same?

    I don’t think you can just write-off a whole city because it isn’t the same as the one you live in. There’s a big wide world of ‘different’ out there, you just need to be open to it.

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    • KazLivesHere

      eek, weird double-paragraph thing happened with that comment. I don’t go around repeating myself, promise!

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    • Anonymous

      Eek, weird double-paragraph thing in that comment. I don’t usually go around repeating myself promise!

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      • KazLivesHere

        Again! What the hell?!

        Disregard.

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  12. mystique

    Melbourne all the way. Sydney is like Vegas for me. Nice place to visit but only for a quickie.

    Melbourne is all class and hidden beauty. Comparing Blair (clearly Melbourne) to Serena (Sydney) in Gossip girl really!

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  13. Yeah!

    I’m from Sydney and the only thing I don’t like about Melbourne is the anti-Sydney sentiment.

    For some reason. Melbournians tend to have a bit of a chip on their shoulder when it comes to Sydney. Meanwhile, up in Sydney, we never have a bad word to say about Melbourne and are often planning our weekend getaways down there.

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  14. lucindainthesky

    I love both places for holidaying… I would never choose to live in either unless I could live in waterfront mansion. Forget it. I live in FNQ and need warmth and sunshine for a reasonable chunk of the year. And I have no interest in hustle and bustle all day every day. I like to be able to hear the birds tweet and the butterflies flutter and have mountains and oceans and serenity. I’d like to live on the NSW central or north coast if I moved, but I can’t see the attraction to the big smokes as a place to live to be honest. Shopping is not a drawcard… I hate shopping lol. I like peace and quiet and wide open spaces!

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  15. Sailorgal

    Born Sydney. Grew up on the Nth Shore. Used to ask everyone what school they went to. Then I would pigeon hole them! (my age perhaps too contributed)
    Moved to MLB 15 years ago, married & had kids. MLB is really nice & is my home. I loooove my coffee. I wouldnt move back.

    But Sydney is beautiful. I miss diving into a warm ocean wave at Palm Beach. Riding the train across the Harbour. Sailing up to Pittwater in a warm NE. Eating at Berowa Waters Inn. Sydney makes my heart sing.

    But so does the drive from Merricks to Flinders. The drive from Drysdale to Queenscliffe via the St Leonard’s road over Mt Bellarine. The view of Point Lonsdale from the back beach. Not MLB but around MLB , so easy to get to, no hassles. That’s MLB.

    Isn’t it great we have both cities at our disposal?

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  16. Blossom

    I love Melbourne. I love Sydney. I have lived in Sydney for decades and I was born in Melbourne. But my vote goes to my new home city-wonderful, sunny, laid-back, friendly, affordable Brisbane. We love it.

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    • Mug

      Yay for Brissy! I have lived in both Sydney & Melbourne and as much as I love visiting the two Brisbane has my heart. :O)

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  17. Gnat

    Not going to get into the Melbourne vs Sydney debate, love both of the cities for different reasons. Re the drugs thing. I live in the inner west of Sydney and have a large circle of friends from all around Sydney. I mix in many different circles and have to say that drugs are not prevalent in any of my groups of friends and I’m an artist! Maybe you needed some different friends? There are many lovely people in Sydney that are not into the ‘scene’ and worried about being really cool. There are shallow sad people in every city, just as there are more genuine people. Don’t really think it is a ‘sydney’ thing.

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  18. SK

    I struggle to find anything nice to say about Melbourne… the Aust. Open is good value, the Yarra is prettier than the Hunter and I love the little bell thingy that trams do when they start moving (to let the pedestrians know to get out of the way). I think it is a fantastic place to visit but I have hated living here. Sydney I LOVE but it is very much a young single 20/30 something city and I had an absolute ball. We moved to Melb about four years ago and next stop Brisbane – which is where I grew up and I can’t wait to get there. I don’t get the coke thing… but then I just didn’t mix in those circles I guess? Most of our fabulous friends we had in Sydney have all married and moved on. Sydney isn’t really a city for families unless you earn a motza! I lived in the Eastern Suburbs for 13 years and loved every singing, dancing, crazy minute of it. Love Adelaide too actually. Nice friendly people and the beaches are sensational. And just for the record, I didn’t EVER have a conversation in Sydney about the whole Syd/Melb thing BUT in Melbourne I have had it many times in the last four years. Its the Melbournians – seriously have a chip on their shoulder about it. Who cares? Just get on with it? For me, Sydney rocks and Melbourne sucks… everyone is different (thank goodness).

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    • Kris2040

      I really liked Melbourne, and I think I could move there (I was living on the navy base when I was there). I always found the “Made in Melbourne” ads on I think Channel 7 funny. Sydney would never feel the need to do that!

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  19. Mummabear2e

    I lived in Melbourne for 10 years and really enjoyed it, i loved the food, friendly nature of melburians and ease of getting around…..but I missed my friends and family in Sydney. There are always pros and cons to every city (I’ve also lived in south America – there is no place like home!) but if you’re surrounded by people you love, surely you can suck up the cons – its called character building people! :)

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  20. Molly

    I love living in Sydney because it’s all I’ve known in Australia (I lived in London and hated it!) But I love visiting other places for holidays… Melbourne is an awesome place and is such a nice trip away for me! My sister lives there and prefers it to Sydney…. I think it’s just personal preferences!

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  21. elli

    First world problem.

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  22. anonymous

    I LOVE MELBOURNE! Melbourne people are cool, friendly, sociable, open minded, cultured, sophisticated, funky, well dressed…Melbourne has amazing food, restaurants, bars and shops :) Sydney-siders are too into themselves- met so many whilst traveling overseas and have spent quite a lot of time in Sydney, and found many of them really do believe there is no life or other place worth living in Australia outside of Sydney. Yes it has beaches but so does the rest of the coastline of Australia, being an island and all! And nope, I’m not from Melbourne, I just love the place and have many amazing friends there..however there is loads of cocaine there too, that’s definitely not exclusive to Sydney!

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  23. Becnherboys

    Sydney people are too cool for me! I am a Brisbane girl and wouldn’t want to live anywhere else except maybe Melbourne… I do love Melbourne. The city is beautiful, there is nothing you cannot do, see or get in Melbourne. We have just moved back to Qld after 2 years in Vic and I really miss it. I never thought I would!

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  24. Anonymous

    I hate the Sydney/Melbourne comparisons.

    They are both such different cities. I have lived in both and there are aspects of both that I love and dislike.

    Sydney is gorgeous with the harbour and beaches, who can deny it?! Melbourne is cool and groovy and has an amazing social culture. It’s a different social culture to Sydney (which can also be great) but it really comes down to what suits individuals.

    I’ve also lived in FNQ, London and in France. Again, there are aspects of all that I love and loathe.

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  25. Kylie

    I grew up in Sydney and I’ve found that it is only non-Sydneysiders and Melbourne people who talk about the Melbourne vs Sydney divide/competition… Sydney people just don’t care, they are happy where they are!

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    • Snap!!

      Melburnians don’t care either! I live in Melbourne but I think Sydney is great, so does everyone else I know.

      Think Sydney people dont’t care? Check out Chelsea’s comment below.

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    • Stef

      I beg to differ. I have spent almost equal time in each city and can’t recount even one snide remark from a Melbournian re: Sydney, but Sydneyites re: Melb – I cannot even count the number of negatives..!!

      Personally, I love both cities and they each have their adoring features, which are very different. I do think, though, that the lifestyle is “easier” in Sydney and people tend to work shorter hours…enjoying the sunshine, outdoors more…in Melbourne, people tend to leave home in the dark and come home in the dark…just my experience ;-)

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  26. Mabol

    Wendy Squires obviously didn’t move to South Yarra.

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  27. polly put the kettle on

    In Sydney you become invisible once you’re over 30.
    In Melbourne, men LOOK at you!

    Why is that?

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    • Lottie

      Basically because Melbourne is better. That is all.

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  28. Sarah

    So Melbourne is like a musician and Sydney is like a model. Both rather vacuous and self-obsessed types. Nuff said.

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  29. Chelsea!

    While Sydney is far from perfect, I think it is the best city Australia has to offer. Melbourne is ugly, cold, grey, and just generally boring (except for the 2 weeks it hosts the Aussie Open). I get the vibe that Melburnians think their city is the greatest thing outside of Europe, which is just insulting. So it has cafes and laneways, big freaking whoop. Yes, Sydney can be ostentatious at times and a little too ‘celebrity’ obsessed, but go to Circular Quay on a gorgeous sunny day, or one of the eastern beaches, or marvel at the world-famous harbour and Pacific Ocean while at South Head, or just wander around The Rocks, and tell me it isn’t one of the most beautiful cities in the world….
    Also, I’m not really sure why everyone is bagging out the Eastern Suburbs so much. Sure, if you’re in The Cross or City of a weekend you’ll come across drugs, but I live in the East, and have never come across anyone doing drugs (apart from the ‘hipsters’ at uni). And it happens everywhere in the world, to break up with Sydney because of that seems stupid to me….

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    • Anonymous

      Why is Melbourne ugly?

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      • Chelsea!

        The Yarra. Enough said.

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    • Sugar

      You sound awful. Feel free to stay in Sydney!!

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      • Agreed, just awful...

        ‘Big freaking whoop’?!?!

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        • Chelsea!

          Sorry what exactly did I say to make you think I’m awful? The author and other posters have painted the picture that my city is completely full of drugs and thus not a very nice place to live. I think I’m entitled to defend Sydney and give Melbourne some crap (sorry if using the word ugly offended you…)
          And MM – so much for dinner party rules. Not sure what type of dinner parties you go to, but if someone called me awful without any justification I’d up and leave. I thought this was an online community where we could express our opinions without being personally attacked.

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    • Kris2040

      I’m not a cafe person and I love Melbourne. You really didn’t need to point out that you’re from the Eastern suburbs either, Chelsea. Crappy overcrowded beaches? No thanks! I don’t rate the Melbourne “beaches” either, but the ES beaches are only good because they’re close to the city.

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      • Chelsea!

        Just making a point, that The East isn’t full of drugs as many posters below have alluded to.

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    • princesstan

      Melbourne is far from boring!!!! How dare one rubbish my beloved city like that ;)

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      • Kris2040

        I’m a Sydney girl and I love Melbourne. And there is ALWAYS something to do. That place in Fed Square will always find you something fun and interesting to do!

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  30. Anonymous

    I have lived in Victoria most of my life, spent a little time in the A.C.T and ventured to Sydney quite a few times and was always felt excited when Darling harbour came into view , spent some time in the eastern suburbs and it felt pretty relaxed there more like Queensland, thought Bondi was a bit overrated as beaches go, but get its all about backpackers.
    Melbourne has changed so much with Docklands and South WHarf which we only recently visited and loved how it is just so easy to get around and it was so clean apart from the Yarra. I think its like comparing apples to oranges as these cities are both awesome and Canberra is also a great city which is often overlooked.

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    • Georgie

      Glad to hear you like Canberra anon, I’ve just moved here and feel like crying! I’m a melburnian and feel like I’m on another planet. Hope it grows on me!

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  31. La Bella Figura

    Instead of using images to back up this argument by using the AMAZING opera house and gorgeous Sydney harbour bridge with her beautiful waterways, you use a hoto of a train station??!! Flinders street station is no comparison! Maybe use a photo of st Kilda beach with bondi beach? Maybe not…

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    • Saz Rainbow

      I think the idea was to choose images that immediately bring to mind their city.

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  32. picardie.girl

    I’ve lived in Sydney my whole life and never experienced the drug culture that is mentioned here. I see what she means about ‘attracting shallow types’, but there are some really great subcultures around that are all about fun, friendly grown-up people. I’m guessing Melbourne would be the same.

    The one thing I liked about Melbourne when I went there was the late-night cafe/quiet bar option; a place where you can mix with friends, enjoy a drink or cake, and hear each other talk (after 9pm) is sorely needed in Sydney.

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    • Lu

      Yep, I’ve heard about the drug culture but never personally seen it in action.

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  33. Lu

    I have only ever lived in Sydney and love it.
    I used to travel to Melbourne regularly for overnight visits when I was working and really only saw the inside of the office, a few restaurants and the inside of my hotel room and honestly there was no difference! Friendly people all just trying to get through another day….
    Though a few friends have moved there and found the old school tie is really powerful and found it hard to make friends when you’re outside that network. People say Sydney is about where you live, though we have friends who live all over Sydney so not everyone is like that!

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  34. daniela

    @Langers…Adelaide IS quite ‘cliquey’..in that friendships are developed from a young age..and pretty much stay that way..unless you just ‘fit right in’ with a new group and then you’re set. but..if you have children..good friendships can occur through that door. like anything. you have to work at it. :) quite a few of my less conservative friends have moved to other cities because of its conservatism :( i think for families and ‘quieter’ types who appreciate a ‘slow burn’ rather than a fast fix..adelaide is the perfect mediterranean city..it’s for thinkers..lol! we have a lot going on here throughout the year..beautiful beaches..wineries..food..some of the best festivals in the world..so where the bloody hell are yah ;)

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  35. La Bella Figura

    Ah Melbourne…city of my dreams and fife of my loins. Once. I was born in Sydney and live here, I’ve travelled to every capital city in oz, live din Brisbane and was seriously thinking of moving to Melbourne as it was my second home for a number of years for an old job. This article makes me laugh…Melbourne has laneways? Woohoo! U can shop in Melbourne and eat? There are onlyso many restauarants/cafes to go to. U love art n weird funky shit? That shit is everywhere! I tune out when I hear people say oh I love Melbourne or miss it. Then go back to Melbourne! The last fee times I was in Melbourne I felt so depressed from the weather n the people. Sydney has everything why do so many people and tourists come here?! Yes it’s super expensive but everyone knows it. I don’t associate with tools who take drugs, I don’t take about property or go and hang with models. I don’t live in the eastern suburbs because I don’t like the pretentiousness but then again I have a lot of close buddies out east. Every city has pro’s and cons but u make the best of it and you make it your home until you can move. I have never felt more at home than Rome but the negatives of living there outweigh the positives. I laugh when people say Melbourne is so cosmopolitan. How? Lygon street? And then what?
    Sydney has totally let down norton street leichhardt so much potential and it’s embarassing. But Melbourne is not Europe
    and is definitely not Sydney. Sydney kicks arse when u add up all the positives and although we moan about expenses we stay and that’s saying something! Wendy, if Melbourne was so amazing you would have stayed but you didn’t. Or make some new friends because anyone who does drugs is a joke. Or you should play tourist every weekend and rediscover how amazing Sydney is! Sorry for typo’s I’m on iPhone n hard to type long messages n fix against spellcheck.

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    • The wounded bull

      It is actually easier when on a phone to just type ‘phone’ rather than ‘iPhone’, but I guess being from Sydney, you feel compelled to let the world know that you are just so Apple cool. Its just a phone in the rest of Australia

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      • Anonymous

        She wrote ‘iPhone’ because when you type on an iPhone compared to other phones, there are always typos!

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        • La Bella Figura

          Thanks anon exactly what you just wrote! Bless! I guess people in Melbourne still use their cool dial up phones from 1970 in that army greenish colour (I’m not from melbourne and not a graffic designer plus I don’t wear chunky black rimmed glasse when my eyesight is 20/20).
          Let’s think up some more cliches
          about people from Melbourne! I love it! People, it’s a fun argument, like those “I bet your mama” thowaways or a comedy roast. I thought this was a fun article where we were all just ragging in jest. Sweet dreams.

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  36. HF

    This post and the article has very funny timing for me.

    I was born and raised in Sydney but having been living in Perth for the last 5 years. I am finally going back in 3 weeks, and I am beyond excited!

    I think every city has it’s good and bad points, and depending on where you are in your life a city may or may not fit in with your lifestyle.

    For example- In Perth I was able to get my degree done away from the distraction of my family. It also allowed me to come into my own, I am much different to the 19 year old who first came here. However, I feel like I’ve outgrown Perth now. Not because it’s not a good city- but because I want different things now. I crave that little bit more out my city and it’s time to move on.

    I think you could probably apply this to any city- and some people manage to get what they want out of the same city their whole lives, while others need to move as things progress.

    Comparing Sydney to Melbourne as a whole doesn’t really make sense to me- as with any city it will depend on your ‘view’ of things. For me my Sydney ‘view’ now includes lots of family and friends and a busy, interesting and diverse city, and that’s really exciting :)

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  37. Sydneysider

    I’ve now lived in Sydney for 15 years but still in my heart call Melbourne home. Sydney is beautiful, bright, light, active, happening… but on the downside it is clicky, snobbish, flashy and dare I say a bit trashy in parts.
    Melbourne has depth, substance and style but I admit can be a bit bleak sometimes. Both have great points, both have not so great points too. Sydney relies on it’s view a lot to sell overpriced food in overpriced restaurants whereas melbourne relies on great food and great service. Ahhhh this is making me homesick

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  38. La Petite Chou

    As people know, I moved from Sydney to Melbourne seven months ago.

    I was dumped into the middle of Sydney’s western suburbs in the late 1970s and lived there for 23 years, never wanting to change where I lived, having the means and disposable income to go where I wanted. But I never felt at home. As soon as I told people where I lived, people would walk away. Literally. I wasn’t in their suburb – and there was always somewhere better to be – so why should they be friends? I learnt very quickly the reason why real estate is THE number one topic of Sydney – it was to quickly assess the beauty of the location.

    We then moved as a young family to the Central Coast north of Sydney and there I found the community I had craved but socially, down-time revolved around beaches and family activities. I’m not an outdoors person, so it never suited me. As my children grew up and became more independent, there was nothing available to me as a single, middle-aged woman. No decent bars or meeting places. No public transport. No interest in me as a single, middle-aged woman. I was invisible.

    Then the planets aligned and Melbourne called. At first I laughed off the suggestion that I move there, but I just couldn’t see how it could be a worse proposition for me. My children had moved out of home, and for the first time in my adult life I could live on my terms.

    So I moved. I moved several times over the next few months and the main reason was to find a part of the town that fitted in best with me. I live just 10 kms from the city, near two tram lines, two buses that stop outside my door, and a train line down the road. Public transport in melbourne puts Sydney to shame. Actually, there’s a lot about Melbourne’s foward planning, architecture, attention to details and transport that would shame Sydney.

    Not only is it easier to get to places, there are people who want to see me when I do make the effort. Melbourne has been overwhelmingly welcoming, peopled with smart, funny, freaky, inclusive and creative people that don’t care about looks or location and have nothing to prove. There is a self-assuredness about Melbourne that is probably overlooked by Sydneysiders, which if they took a close look would find very threatening.

    Blessed NOT to have Sydney’s two bits of bling wrapped around her beautiful face, Melbourne has not traded on her looks, and so has something far more valuable than style: It has substance.

    I felt at home about two minutes after arriving. I doubt I will ever live anywhere else in this country.

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    • picardie.girl

      Ah, I love your writing. You almost make me want to move to Melbourne. :)

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    • Lovena

      Love what you’ve written! Though I’ve only been to Sydney once as a teen in the late ’90s so won’t judge it based solely on that one encounter but have been to Melbourne a couple of times and loved it. The way you describe Melbourne RE: the people, how welcomed you felt and the fact that your surrounds said “home” etc…Sounds like you’ve found exactly where you need to be.

      I don’t really care for the Melbourne vs Sydney debate as I’m not from the East and like a set of twins, I view them as completely separate but your “community” feel and friends you’ve made have sold it for me! If you’re not a writer, you bloody well should be! And out of curiousity, tu parles français?

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  39. rene

    Personally I’m not “into” big, over crowded, expensive cities at all! Why live like a sardine in a can when there are so many beautiful places in the bush or on the coast that are just perfect!

    I get sick of the Sydney vs Melbourne bollocks! There are SO many glorious parts of Australia in which to live a really happy and full filled life (which can include frequent visits to the city if need be).

    Broaden your horizons people! If you are over the city in which you live, get out! Chances are you won’t regret it ;)

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  40. Bookie

    I love an imagined rivalry based on huge, sweeping generalisations and stereotypes – melbourne vs sydney, baby boomers vs gen x vs gen y, working mothers vs non-working mothers, “working families” vs “latte-sipping inner-city dwellers”, Australia vs the rest of the world…

    I myself am definitely a vain, drug-addled poseur who would sell my soul to talk to a celebrity. Thank god I now know that means I’m a sydneysider.

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  41. CJ

    I fell in love with Sydney just over ten years ago, on my first trip to Australia when Sydney was the first stop. Actually it’s more like I fell in love with Australia, in Sydney – if that makes sense. It was the beginning of a backpacking trip and I had the most amazing time, but then again I was hanging out with other backpackers from the same share house – mainly Irish, I only knew two locals.

    Fast forward to 2007 and I was living in Perth. I had a holiday to Sydney and found it exactly as Wendy describes it. I had spent several years in between trips living in London where most of my mates were Australian and was hoping to catch up with some of them on this visit, gave them plenty of notice and they sounded keen but they’d got back to Sydney-socialite mode and were too busy to see me (I did catch up with the two locals from my first rip though).

    A couple of months later I went to Melbourne to stay with family and the old London friends there made a huge effort to spend some quality time with me, even held a dinner party midweek so we could all be together as one couple couldn’t make the weekend drinks.

    Even now the Melbourne friends stay in touch and we’ve seen each other when they’ve been to Perth. The Sydney people come to Perth and they don’t bother to let me know they’re coming. I find out on facebook later. One was here over Christmas visiting with another friend who is from Perth but has become a Sydney snob now. I saw the ex-Perthie but she’s not as down to earth as she used to be – everything is about money and image which is funny as she is from one of the poorest areas of Perth. The one exception is a guy from Sydney’s west who I always see for drinks when he comes here for work, but then again the others ignore him too, and his Kiwi girlfriend, the snobs.

    But… the drugs thing happens everywhere… in London we had drinks one night for one of the Aussie couples who had been around Europe at the end of their WHV and had come back to London for a weekend before heading home. There were two distinctive groups that night – those taking drugs and those not. One guy missed the whole evening because he was so desperate for coke he disappeared to look for his dealer and was gone three or four hours. There were others in the pub who were so impatient for him to get back with the gear they clearly weren’t enjoying themselves. I had used it in the past but I think I was too skint to chip in that night and besides, I could always take it or leave it. When I saw how rude they were being while they were waiting for it and then how arrogant they were once it arrived and they’d visited the loos, I realised that’s probably what I was like on it and have never taken it again. I was just happy to see my friends again and it was the last time I saw them until about two years later when they threw the above-mentioned dinner party for me!

    I can see that the issue is probably choice of friends rather than where they are from, but it’s funny that in my case, all those friends who are too up themselves to give the time of day to anyone outside their circle of beautiful people, happen to be from Sydney’s east.

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    • CJ

      I just want to add that there are pretentious people here in Perth too – western suburbs princesses who are obsessed with getting into the social pages of the Weekend West, photographed with AFL footballers and refer to themselves as ‘old money’. Haha!

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  42. Sue

    Funny that Sydney vs Melbourne thing has always existed and yet the two cities each have wonderful aspects to recommend them: I was born and bred in Sydney but lived in Melbourne for 8 years (and bought my first house there). Also lived in Hong Kong. Sydney is: beaches, sun, less clothes, more casual, more clubbing and drinking than eating and meeting. Everyone obsessed with real estate discussions. Yes – bad traffic. (But not compared to Hong Kong!). Mostly safe, not much street crime except in the areas you expect it (and should avoid)….Drug culture exists in every city. Get some new friends. Melbourne: Ditto re the drug culture. Wider streets, greener and more tree-lined, more into sport, better dressed. Better restaurants (in the main) with more diversity (so sick of Sydney Thai). Better live music venues. Less preoccupation with ‘where’ than ‘who’. You get invited to peoples’ homes there. Trams are a wonderful way to get around. Grid design makes the city a breeze to navigate. I think the people in Melbourne are friendlier to ‘outsiders’/less arrogant than Sydney. Sydney people hate Melbourne, Melbourne people think Sydney is fun. I don’t think it’s a useless post if it makes people consider (and maybe reconsider) their own views. Live and let live people!

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    • Joy

      fully agree – great comparisons!!

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    • It’s funny, I don’t know anyone in Sydney who says they hate Melbourne…I must hang out with the wrong (right) people ;)

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      • Flickster

        Same. Everyone I know is desperate to have a weekend in Melb. Same for my Melb friends (i.e. a weekend in Syd) . No feeling of competition in my group.

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        • Sophie

          Same with me. Everyone I know in Sydney loves Melbourne. We just love Sydney more and choose to live here.

          Melbourne’s a great place to visit and it is definitely different to Sydney but just because you live in Sydney doesn’t make you a drug addicated, real estate obsessed, fashion-less moron. I love great food, rich cultural experiences and beautiful clothes. I don’t get around in cut off jeans and fluoro pink singlets and havianas.

          From my perspective the Melbourne/Sydney thing only ever comes from people who live in Melbourne, it kind of feels like an inferiority complex which is silly given the many great things about Melbourne. Sydney people don’t care about that rivalry. We love our city and we love going to Melbourne, and Adelaide and Perth and Hobart etc etc etc

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          • lokibird

            Totally agree – I live in Melbourne, have family and many friends in Sydney and have only ever experienced the Sydney/Melbourne rivalry/animosity from people from here (Mebourne). And going by the comments on this blog the trend is the same.

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      • Lu

        Agreed! I dont hate Melbourne. I honestly have nothing against it, I’ve never really been there long enough to love or hate anything about it. I simply dont know it.

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  43. lauren0108

    I’m a Melbourne girl who lived in Sydney for one year – 2000 – and then moved promptly home. Not for me, although I enjoy visiting.

    However, one thing I have to say is that at that time at least, it was only Melburnians who engaged in the perceived Sydney/Melbourne rivalry. Every Melburnian was constantly asking me to make comparisons whereas the Sydney siders just said how great they thought Melbourne was and left it at that.

    I know Wendy’s writing from the Sydney perspective, but I thought it was an interesting reveal of the two cities’ psyches. Melbourne sometimes has a bit of an inferiority complex I think. They’re two incredibly different places with different things that make them both special and frustrating; and comparing them just because they’re big is a bit futile.

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    • casey

      I think you’re spot on. Since moving to Sydney I’ve heard only nice comments when I say I’m from Melbourne; my Melbourne friends have nothing but vitriol for Sydney.

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    • Rebeck

      When I lived in Melbourne I never heard anti-Sydney stuff, but when I was in Sydney, boy did I hear about it for coming from Melbourne.

      In other words, it’s all about perspective.

      Personally my attitude to Sydney is that it’s a nice place to visit, but I’ve lived there already and would rather not go back again (but I know that I’m likely to end up living there again at some point – the things we do for love…)

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  44. Happymum

    I like to visit Sydney when I get the chance and soak in the city life, as my regular life is fairly far removed from the bustle of the city.

    Husband went to school in Sydney and he has a few mates who we regularly see and are close to. He had a school reunion a couple of years ago which was interesting as his friends were the “everyday” people with regular jobs, kids etc. Some of the other blokes who were taking drugs at school, were doing lines of coke in the toilets at the pub they held their reunion at. Those blokes were mainly divorced, and unsettled in life. Doing coke at the age of 40 is their thing. Anyone who isn’t a drug taker isn’t really going to hang with more drug takers. I think it is not just a place for the rich and famous, but it is a place where families can live with everything they need at their fingertips.

    I don’t think some cokeheads at a party is the only facet to Sydney life. I think if you find the things that you relate to and suit your personality, you can live just about anywhere in the world and be happy.

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  45. Tripitaka

    I love Sydney so much it’s ridiculous. There is so much variety here, every day there are new things to discover. I am regularly awestruck by the beauty of the city, even after living here for five years. Living in Sydney for me feels like being on holiday.

    I also love Melbourne.

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  46. amity

    I totally get where Wendy is coming from. I loved my 12 years in Sydney, especially in 2000 when there is nowhere in the world I would’ve rather been. But by the time we left in 2006 I felt like it had lost it’s spark. Like everyone was talking about what was wrong with it, instead of how fabulous it was. Everything felt hard, the traffic, the lack of parking, the fact you couldn’t have a day at the beach without it costing you a ridiculous amount in parking (or parking fines.) I also felt like so many people were friends with you for what you could do for them, rather than who you were. Friends who are around when life is fun, rather than when you really need them. Certainly, as others have said, not everyone in Sydney is like that, but it certainly exists. (Yes, particularly in the Eastern Suburbs) So when we had our first child I decided I wanted a less sexy and more stable place to raise him. Somewhere where I could park out the front of shops without paying, where the beaches have more space than people, where my inner city house has (gasp) a GARAGE!

    As Bec (Adelaide’s and my favourite new resident) said, Adelaide is a fantastic place to live. It cops a bagging by the other states but those who live here know how much it has going for it. Sure, it’s not flashy. But I had flashy and it’s overrated. So I’ve traded it for easy, comfortable, dependable, classy and pretty. OMG, I’m getting OLD!!!

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    • CJ

      I totally hear you about trading in the flashy lifestyle – I lived in London for a few years (I’m British but from elsewhere) and loved it. It’s an awesome place to live when you’re young and single but I’d never raise a family there.
      When I came to Perth (still single then) almost six years ago my cousin asked if I was bored after being in London as Perth is so quiet and I told her that’s exactly what I needed. From what I know of my trips to Sydney (flashy and pretentious to me) and Melbourne (love it but still too busy) I’ve made the best decision. Now I’m married with a baby and we spend a lot of time on the coast and doing outdoorsy things. Some people might find that boring but I love my life!

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    • Anyone who lives in Sydney knows how much we like to bag our own City…but we’re also very proud of it, despite its faults…

      I think the Olympics had a big role to play in that…for those 3 weeks in 2000, Sydney was perfect…it looked great, it functioned perfectly…it really was the greatest city on earth…but it’s not something we could maintain ALL the time…that kind of perfection just isn’t possible…people who really know and love Sydney love it warts’n'all…we know it can be better, because we’ve seen it at its best…

      These things comes in cycles…Sydney has been in a period of decline over the past decade…but that will change…I’m looking forward to see how Barangaroo will change Sydney (and the MM offices are right on top of that change…)
      :)

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      • amity

        What’s Barangaroo JohnJames?

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        • It’s a redevelopment on the Western Side of the City…kind of like where Circular Quay is, but on the other side of the City…

          http://www.barangaroo.com/

          It was, up until recently, a working container warf, but it is being redeveloped into parkland, offices, hotels, housing etc…it could be great or it could be awful depending on who you talk to…and is almost right next door to the MM offices (for those of you who know where that is…)

          Barangaroo was the name of Benelong wife (Benelong being the 1st indigenous Australian to visit Europe)…I much prefer the name it used to have, which was The Hungry Mile…named during the depression, because men would walk the hungry mile looking for work…

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  47. LM

    Unless I’ve missed it, you’ve deleted my comment Mamamia. I wrote “silly article, silly argument”….or something along those lines. Why?

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    • Rick Morton

      We deleted the comment because it didn’t add anything to the conversation. We’re quite happy for you to disagree, but comments should contribute to the discussion one way or another and not be lobbed in for effect.

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      • LM

        I disagree Rick. And it makes me wonder how often you tamper with comments in order to get a perspective on this site which suit you.

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        • Rick Morton

          Well, as you can see, every other comment that disagreed with the post is still here. We don’t ask much, but we do ask for commenters to provide more to the discussion than an insult. It’s not hard. If they disagree, it’s not much to ask for a reason why. Imagine being at a dinner party with someone who just said ‘stupid conversation, stupid topic’. It’s rude and it clearly goes against our comment guidelines.

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          • LM

            Rick, I said “silly article, silly argument”. It was the best way that I could articulate my view that this article, in my opinion, draws a tenuous link between drugs, Sydney and Melbourne and uses it to make a comparison between the two. I have rarely commented on here. Your regular contributors superior ability to make their arguments impresses and intimidates me and I guess that is why I was so brief. I apologise that my inadequate ability to make my point was seen as insulting.

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            • Rick Morton

              I just checked and it was definitely ‘stupid’, the word you used. What you wrote just then would more than have sufficed as an explanation for what you initially thought. Mamamia is all about meaningful conversation that mirrors the kind you would have with friends or acquaintances in real life. We want to keep our comment threads as a place for debate and contribution – no matter who agrees or disagrees – so just keep that in mind next time :) I have *every* faith that you can explain your thoughts!

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  48. casey

    Sure, Sydney has its pros and cons. But this article doesn’t really address them in the sense of evaluating Sydney as a city. The author seems mostly concerned with the people around her being shallow and superficial. To which I say, make some new friends.

    I honestly don’t recognise the Sydney in which I live described here. I’ve never seen drugs or been offered drugs because I don’t go clubbing etc. Nightlife anywhere will have the flashy, superficial elements. On weekends all I see are people wearing shorts and T shirts, walking their dogs or pushing prams, no matter where I happen to be. And I moved here from Melbourne last year.

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  49. Deni

    I like both – I think Melbourne has better people/atmosphere and Sydney is beautiful – but Sydney tries WAY too hard. When we visit we normally stay in Double bay because we have famiy there and I hateeee the ppl – loser girls who are trying to look rich with the cliche big sunnies, little dogs, ugly gorilla fur vests and all “ohhh dahhhling” meh meh crap. They are the biggest poseurs and I’m often embarassed for them. And the obsession with B- or C-list celebraties – “word has it ex-big brother contestant blah or lara bingle was seen at the ivy last night” Woo. What did these people do again to become “famous”? Seriously. Embarrassed. For. You.

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    • You are quite possibly staying in the most cliched part of Sydney…don’t judge the rest of us by what you see on the streets of Double Bay!
      :)

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    • Anonymous

      hahaha totally agree! Sydney is Paris Hilton/Snooki…. Melbourne…Rachel McAdams/Anne Hathaway.

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      • Nico

        Awww, I like Melbourne, don’t compare it to Anne Hathaway or Rachel McAdams….boring and dull.

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        • Anonymous

          no haha i just meant classy, understated and sophisticated as opposed to trashy and over the top.lol

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  50. Jayne

    Awww us Eastern-suburbians are copping a bit of a roasting! Most of us just like to live by the beach! My area is way more full of prams and people out jogging and walking their dogs than cokeheads. Though we certainly have those too!

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