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paradoxes and principles When 8.7 years of love still isn’t enough….

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Imagine an engagement that lasted 42 years but couldn’t ever end in marriage. Former High Court Judge,  Michael Kirby, released a biography this week called Michael Kirby: Paradoxes and Principles. The openly gay legend was talking to ABC’s Fran Kelly this week and described his engagement to partner Johann as ‘lasting 42 years’.

“Well, my view is that I’d love to live to see the day where a leader of the country did what Zapatero in Spain, and spoke up very clearly about the fact that this is a matter of the rights of citizens to equality. As it happens, and I think this may be in the book, Johann and I probably wouldn’t get married. After all, our engagement has gone on for 42 years, so it’s getting a bit late in the day. But it ought to be there for those who want it.”

Now there’s an interesting point. What makes his relationship any different to a ‘normal’ heterosexual romance? It’s far out-stripped the average length of a marriage which  in this country is 8.7-years.

We bang on a bit about gay marriage because we believe in it so strongly and so so does Evan Cooper who began The Commitment Project.  He writes

Evan Cooper2 When 8.7 years of love still isn’t enough….

Evan Cooper

“A little over 2 years ago my maternal grandfather died,  watching my heartbroken nanna kiss her

husband goodbye for the final time was probably the hardest thing I have ever had to do.  I know, and I mean really KNOW, that they were in love until the day he died.

In trying to find the silver lining in this I choose to see that some people are truly in love with their marital partners forever and the words “till death do us part” is 100% true.  In the case of my grandparents that was for 66 years.

This got me to thinking “will this ever be the case for me”?  You see I am a gay man.  The law states that no matter how deeply I love another man,  how well we work as a couple, how much I want to stand in front of my family and friends and say  “till death do us part” it will never be legally recognised.

There seems to be an assumption that gay men can’t have long term relationships,  have you ever seen a Mardi Gras float that has groups of couples under banners  of their length of relationship?  No.  Are there many (or in fact any) gay couples in the media that have been together for a very long period of time?  (I knew of one when I started this, but do you know without me telling you?).

Now currently I am single so maybe, I personally, am not the person to prove that gay men  (and our lesbian counterparts) have just as much chance as having a long term relationships as heterosexuals. So being a hobby photographer I thought I would collect images of queer couples that have achieved this which could help to fill this void in people’s perception.

I needed to find a base line of what I would class as “Long Term”  so I looked to the Australian Bureau of Statistics.  What I decided to use was the median length of an Australian marriage to separation.  When I first started this project the length of time was 8.9 years,  a couple of months later the ABS stated it was 8.8 years, and as I write I have now found it is 8.7 years

And I put the word out there through friends and facebook of the people I was looking for.  And slowly and surely I began to find couples.  And what an inspiring bunch of people did I find.

And what did I learn from all these couples?  Well lots! For some couples the secret of their longevity was that they had so much in common, others the fact that they virtually had nothing in common. Some met when they were turning 40 and had been through the dating game for some time , others like in the case of Ben and Nicholas, they met when they were 18 and have never had another boyfriend  in their entire lives! – how many heterosexuals can say that?

What was the one thing that was consistent for all the couples?  Simply that they are still in love with their partners.  So love is love no matter the gender of the person you love.

When I look at this collection of images, which will continue to grow as I meet more people that fit the criteria, I am inspired by the diversity of the people within the photo.  The diversity of people that I have met is just as diverse as the general population.  We, gays and lesbians, are no different to heterosexuals except that we are same sex attracted. All we want is the right to be treated exactly the same as everyone else and for the law, our government and the public to show our relationships the respect we show yours.

Now with so many people divorcing it shows that not everyone, whether gay or straight can have the “till death do us part love affair”  and my belief in achieving that,  like both sets of my grandparents did, is the jackpot lottery of life, but just because I’m gay doesn’t mean I should be prevented from buying that ticket.

Please be inspired by the people that have inspired me.”

About the Author:  Evan Cooper is an out loud and proud gay man. He has been involved with a number of community groups starting with the amazing Ankali Project and Camp Goodtime. His belief is that finding your soul mate, finding that person who you love and loves you back till the day you die is the lottery jackpot of life, and just because he’s gay he shouldn’t be prevented from buying a ticket.

Check out some of the images from Evan’s Commitment Project:

Bernard and Edward. Date of commitment: November 1977

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142 Comments so far

  1. Lyza

    Evan that was such a refreshing article.
    Life is hard enough. I applaud anyone that can find the love of their life. Same sex or hetrosexual.
    My love and life long blessings go to you and every one else who are denied their moral and ethically given right to find their life partners.

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  2. Naomi

    Marriage is the choice of two consenting adults who wish to cherish and celebrate their deep love for one another. Gay or straight is not the business of anyone but the individual, no one has the right to tell another who to love based on ‘your’ beliefs. When not related by family, where there is love & choice – let love rule.

    BTW – Straight & lovingly suportive of anyones choices

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  3. Bo

    “Morality cannot be legislated but behaviour can be regulated. Judicial decrees may not change the heart but they can restrain the heartless”

    - Martin Luther King

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  4. Caro

    I believe this issue falls very much into the “none of my damn business” category. If they love each other and choose each other then let them get married and good luck to them. With so much else going on in the world like poverty, war and disease why do we want to take up valuable energy in the public discourse on gay marriage. Unfortunately, it looks like gay and lesbian people who wish to marry will have to continue to pay the price for political cowardice.

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  5. AM

    The picture of John and John made me tear up, gorgeous photo! It shows so clearly love is love, gay and lesbian couples deserve the same type of legally recognised commitment to celebrate it.

    For anyone waiting, my fingers and toes are crossed that one day soon it will happen in Australia.

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  6. haz1902

    In my hetrosexual marriage with a celebrant there was no mention of God. My wife came from a country that does not worship the God of Christianity. So if the Bible, and correct me if I am wrong, says that marriage should only be between a man and a woman, then why can’t gay people be legally married by a celebrant with no mention of religion?
    This would give gay people a legal and binding commitment to live as a married couple in our society.

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  7. MellyBunny

    I’m surprised to read people saying marriage has anything to do with religion, I don’t think it does at all. In fact originally the church was against marriage (which I read in Committed by Elizabeth Gilbert I think!). So many people get married and I’m sure a whole lot of them aren’t religious nor see it as a religious celebration. I’m really surprised that the average marriage is only 8.7years! That’s such a short time!

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  8. Bejf

    I have nothing against gay marriage. What I do have against marriage, is all the people who get married, and have NO BELIEF in religion, or went to a religious school and believe that that alone makes them religious. Marriage is a religious institution, it is about your relationship with your partner and with God. I firmly believe anyone who does not believe that should not get married – whether they are gay or not.

    I believe their should be another option – an uniteing? an amalgamation? for those people who do not have a belief in marriage. Whilst that would not erase the debate about gay marriage for those who believe that God plays an important role in their relationship, i’m sure there are many homosexual people who don’t have a belief in religion that would be able to be joined in this way, along with all others who have no belief in religion.

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    • Finding Ella

      Marriage was really there to protect the woman and provide her with a stable home .

      I do not believe in God and I am going to get married, not in a church and just with a celebrant. Religion does not own marriage I find that pretty arrogant.

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    • Kirstin

      Marriage predates Christianity by a fairly significant period of time. The earliest marriages we know of were performed 5000 years ago, and the earliest written marriage certificate is 2500 years old. Furthermore, as long as there are legal rights and responsibilities associated with marriage it is necessarily a civil institution. Australia is nominally secular and we would do well to remember that.

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    • amyintheworld

      As others have said, marriage actually predates religion. Often it was a contract between two people, usually a way of protection for a woman, but also very often a way of stating that the man now ‘owns’ that woman. It is actually this reason that traditionally a woman takes her husband’s name, to show the community that she now belongs to him. While that has now changed and many women (like lf, come this October) choose to take their partner’s name for sentimental reasons, it doesn’t change the fact that religion has taken marriage on board well after it existed.

      Since we now live in a society where we don’t condone the ‘ownership’ of another person, we now accept marriage to be about choice and love, not necessarily a financial contract like its thousands of years ago.

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  9. Mish

    I have an aunt who has been with her girlfriend for about 20 years, they had a commitment ceremony in Byron a few years ago. They are the most perfect couple I have ever met and I’m sure they are together for life.

    I also have an uncle who just lost his long term partner to cancer (I think they were together for about 15 years.) He is just as devastated as anyone in a heterosexual relationship… actually probably even more because they were never legally recognised as married.

    I also have a few friends around my age (32) in long term, happy same sex relationships. I wish the law could just get with the times. It makes me so sad that they can’t get married, I believe its their right and they shouldn’t be denied it.

    I remember seeing Ellen and Portia’s wedding on TV. SO in love. Anyone who doesn’t think same sex couples should be married should look at the footage of that wedding!

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  10. newly single

    I was with my (same-sex) partner for 11 years, and we have two kids together. We broke up a few weeks ago, which is sad and stressful for everyone, but at least I can take comfort in knowing we lasted longer than the average heterosexual marriage :)

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  11. Anon Anon Anon for this

    I am sure those who disagree with gay marriage – and believe it or not there are some – are not posting.

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    • disagree

      Yep, that’s me, I disagree! I think marriage is an institution for a man and a woman. Personally I don’t care about the legal side of things, it is just important to me that men and woman can be married in churches in front of God. It doesn’t matter to me what the government or anyone else thinks. So unless gays and lesbians want to make a commitment in front of God, I don’t understand the point of a gay marriage. Just make the commitment between yourselves the way that others who choose not to commit in front of God do.

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      • Finding Ella

        Why ? It isn’t your life , it is their life.

        The point of gay marriage is the same as hetero marriage. Why do we all have to go by your religion ? No offenece to anyone , but why do I have to get married for some fairy-tale figure ?

        Why are you so concerned about other peoples lives ?

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        • disagree

          I don’t think the point is the same. I was married so that where there was 1 there would now be 3, myself, my husband and God. I’m not sure that gay people would be getting married with the same end in mind. My sister, who is a lesbian and has been with her partner for 15 years has no desire to get married, as she see’s that as being for a man and a woman and God. But she does believe that she and her partner should have the same rights as a married couple, or a defacto couple, in terms of superannuation, inheritence, next of kin etc and I agree.

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          • evancooper

            That is for your sister to decide, if she and her partner do not want to get married that is there choice, just as if her partner was male.

            Her and her partner must do what is right for them as a committed couple.

            There are many heterosexuals who don’t ever get married and that isn’t frowned upon, so why should it be frowned upon if same-sex couples want to be married?

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      • sami

        I am straight but I don’t believe in god. Should I be denied the right to marry too?

        ‘Just make the commitment between yourselves the way that others who choose not to commit in front of God do.’ <–correct me if I'm wrong, but that's still called marriage, isn't it?

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        • disagree

          No, I was talking about defacto relationships.

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          • Lily

            I’m married and I’m an atheist. I committed myself to my wonderful husband for life, not any God.

            I’m curious as to how people from other religions who marry fit into your view? Buddhists or Muslims or Hindus – do you believe they should not have the right to marry, or do you see their marriages as including their Gods too?

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            • disagree

              People from other religions have their own perspectives on marriage and that is fine. I have no issue with anyone getting married, i just don’t see the point if it doesn’t include God. What is the purpose? Is it to wear a pretty dress and have a party? Then just do that! Is it to be considered partners in the eyes of the law? 6 months of living together will do that. Is it to get a ring? Get your partner to get you one, a promise ring, commitiment ring or just massive piece of bling! Why do you need a wedding?

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          • Finding Ella

            Just replying to your last comment , there is no reply button.It is everyones choice why they want to get married. I want to get married to my boyfriend because I want to spend the rest of my life with him and celebrate our love.Might sound superfical but that is how I feel.And marriage gives us a lot of benefits too,but the main reason I want to get married is because of love.

            Plus who cares anyway ? why should God have anything to do with it ? What about those forced marriages where young girls are forced to marry some old git ? that happend in our societies too , not too long ago.

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      • Disagree too

        I find it galling that the posters here who condemn Christians for their beliefs in God and gay marriage are the first to stand up and loudly proclaim personal freedoms and rights. What hypocrisy!

        My brother and his partner are gay. They have been together 15 years and are happy to just ‘be together’. They feel this whole issue has been hijacked by the gay left wing who in no way speak for every gay person. They also respect their parents who are traditional and Catholic.

        If you all can’t deal with that, then unblock your ears. Not everyone shares your points of view.

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        • Mel

          So you’ve a brother and a sister whom are gay?

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          • Mel

            Sorry, my mistake. I read your name as disagree

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        • Elle

          I have no problem with your views on marriage. Christians can believe that gay marriage is not a “real” marriage in the eyes of the church.
          I dont think anyone is requiring Christians to give up this view.

          What the gay lobby is fighting for is a right to a “secular” marriage.

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          • Disagree too

            Elle, there are many posters on here who ridicule and criticise Christians’ beliefs in general and about gay marriage in particular as if it were a personal affront.
            I’m not asking atheists to believe in God – I am simply expressing my – and my families’ opinon of gay marriage based on our beliefs.

            Given that gay and lesbian partnerships are legal in every other way, it probably won’t be long before legislation will be passed and a secular marriage will be permitted. Judging by the statistics relating to the failure of hetero marriages, I wish them luck

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            • Elle

              Well just as you dont want to make athiests believe in God, then cant you see the opposite argument of legalising gay marriage? GALs are not asking to be mmarried in the eyes of the church, they want to be married in the eyes of the Law. And so they should be in my view. It isnt about religion.

              While it is legal for athiests, pagans, devil worshippers and Britney Spears to get married, then so should GALs.

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        • evancooper

          I actually think the “gay left wing” haven’t high jacked this topic at all, the “left wing” actually don’t believe in marriage equality as they do not want to be married. Most of the people who want marriage equality just want to have what they were always told they would : to grow up, meet their soul mate, get married and have a family.

          Is that really a “left wing” ideal?

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      • Kate

        Why does God care if the couple involved are of the same sex? Why does your God only approve/endorse the marriage of a man and a woman?

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      • evancooper

        I know a lot of gays and lesbians who have a strong spiritual side, I have personally organised a queer interfaith event that had committed queer christians, buddists, jews and muslims. AND a number of the couples in these photos have a very strong faith. In fact there is a photo of a couple taken inside a synagogue and at a buddist temple.

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  12. Evey

    Is the average Australian marriage really 8.7 years??? Wow. That is depressing. My mums have been together for coming up to 26 now …

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  13. PinkLizzy

    I’m a Christian and I’m disgusted that Gay and Lesbian couples are still not allowed to marry!

    The government gets to pick and choose from the Bible and interpret it the way that will give them the result that they want. It’s infuriating!

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  14. Me

    Great work Evan.

    It makes me vomit to think what these people have gone through to be together and they still can’t be married.

    I have a civil union from overseas – it was brought in so gay people could ‘marry’ (but not marry), with my partner – we are hetero though. I would love to say I will never get married until gay people can too. But I may need to get married due to visa reasons in the not too distant future. It shits me to know that if I was with a woman I could not marry her and probably could not get that visa. What would you do?! Thinking about it makes me scream and bring tears to my eyes.

    I am sure that in the not too distant future we will all look back and wonder why it all took so long to change the law. Gay people will get marriage rights – it is a matter of when. We all have to keep pushing the pollies until then.

    xxx

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  15. Leah

    I just don’t understand it- why are people fighting to keep marriage ‘sacred’?! Hello- I can go to Las Vegas and have a trashy shot gun drunken wedding (no offense- I actually think this could be kind of fun!) to a guy I’ve met mere minutes before professing my undying love to then get an annulment hours later once the hangover has worn off, but homosexuals who have been in loving relationships for more than the two hours of my ‘courting’ cannot get married??! I actually don’t comprehend!!!

    Besides- people like Tigar Woods and Jesse James obviously don’t take the ‘sanctity’ and ‘tradition’ of marriage seriously- does this mean that it’ll be illegal for them to ever marry again?

    btw I am Christian and honestly couldn’t give a f&*k about what the church thinks about this issue :P

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  16. Elle

    The Christian argument against gay marriage always baffles me, because under the current law pagans, atheists and devil worshipers can marry. Under christian dogma these are couples arent going to heaven but can still marry, so why single out same sex couples?

    The blatant discrimination is absurd and contrary to human rights.

    Congratulations on the most fantastic project.

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  17. chellebelle

    great post, great pics.

    My gay aunt has been with her partner for 10 years now, and my gay uncle was with his previous partner for more than 15 years. I don’t know many straight couples who’ve been together that long.

    Let’s just end this ridiculousness and legalise gay marriage NOW!

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  18. Blondie Gal

    Evan, thank you for sharing your amazing, heart warming project. My aunt and her partner (who is just as much my aunt as my blood aunt) have been together since well before I was born. I was able to marry a man I had dated for 18 months when I was really, when I look back, barely more than a kid myself (still happily married BTW).

    It horrifies me that my aunsts deep and long standing love is not considered as valid as my own. I am a passionante supporter of equal marriage and while I will protest and march and sign any thing I need to, I too can’t wait until the day when equal marriage is so ordinary, as regular as hetro marriage, that it doesn’t even rate a mention.

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    • Evan Cooper

      Dear Blondie Girl

      it is my absolute pleasure. it has been an honour to meet the couples that are part of this project. It would be selfish of me not to share when these couples have been so amazing to let me into their lives and to share these photos with the world.

      Really I’m just a small part of this project, the major thanks must go to the couples – they are truly amazing to me

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  19. Anonymous

    did you guys read about the gay caveman?

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8233884/archaeologists-find-gay-caveman

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  20. B&boys

    I read a great quote the other day (not sure who said it originally)…

    “Homosexuality is found in over 1500 species, Homophobia is found in only one. Which one seems unnatural now?”

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    • Sarah Greenaway

      Love that quote.

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    • redballoon

      Awesome. I’ll be using that one.
      I love the fact that you can name any mammal and you can bet it does the gay sex thing as much as the human animal does.
      Unnatural, lol.

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  21. Ellen

    I can’t wait for the day when no one even blinks when you hear about a marriage between two people of the same sex. There should be no question about whether they should be allowed to marry or not.

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  22. Meerkath

    It still baffles me that in an age where our divorce rate is soaring that we as a country don’t let people who actually WANT to get married, marry. Its just illogical. Being gay should not be the most important thing about an individual; if 2 consenting adults love each other and want to be recognized equally under the law, who gives us the right to judge? Love is love. It may be naive of me, but there you go.

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  23. Tanya

    The Commitment Project is a wonderful illustration of committed same-sex couples. On a similar theme, The Potential Wedding Album collects photos of same-sex couples (no minimum relationship length) and compiles them in printed albums to send straight to Julia Gillard, Tony Abbott etc. If you support marriage equality please send in a photo or add a message of support!

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  24. Kerri Sackville

    Every time I see one of these posts I feel sad. Sad that we even NEED these posts.
    Let people who love each other get married, irrespective of gender or sexuality. Fullstop. It’s obscene that the law could be any other way.

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  25. Sometimes Karen

    A few people have commented on the role of the church in the gay marriage debate, so as a Christian I’d like to throw in an opinion.

    As a Christian I often struggle with the conflict between biblical ‘rules’ and earthly realities. Homosexuality is one of those problem areas for me – I believe it when a gay person tells me that they were ‘born that way’ and I’ve seen more than enough evidence that gay people are eminently capable of long term, stable, loving relationships (including when they become parents). Yet I’m faced with certain new testament scriptures that state it was not God’s intention for people to have sex with people of their own gender.

    I didn’t write it and I can’t change it. And as a Christian, I don’t have the privilege of telling God he got it wrong. It’s difficult for me and I hope to understand his intentions better one day.

    BUT… as to whether or not homosexuals should be allowed to marry, it’s a no-brainer. If the government is using our Judeo-Christian culture to justify their inaction then it’s hypocritical in the extreme. They might as well outlaw premarital sex and no-fault divorce whilst they’re at it – both of them are equally ‘abominable’ to God and it can be argued that they are more damaging to children and families than gay marriage could ever be.

    I hope you don’t take my comments as being inflammatory or derogatory towards the gay/lesbian/bi community, I absolutely mean the utmost respect and extend my full support that all Australians should be allowed equality under law. The bible is for Christians to worry about, and whilst I believe it holds life and wisdom, I don’t believe the rest of the country should be held hostage to its ideals.

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    • Rick Morton

      I like how sensible you are Karen; I admire that in people who have faith and are reasonable about their faith as well. I don’t believe in faith, but I have faith in reasonable belief :)

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      • Sometimes Karen

        I’m nothing if not sensible, Rick ;) Like a pair of old shoes sometimes…

        But thanks, I appreciate your comment :)

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    • Kate

      Karen thank you for that very reasonable post. I think the government takes the position that it does because it is scared of a backlash from religious people less reasonable than yourself. Unfortunately few governments in Australia have been prepared to show leadership or guts on this issue, despite a growing public sentiment that a persons sexuality should not be an excuse to discriminate against them.

      I have known many same sex couples and they are exactly the same as heterosexual couples. Some of them are facile couplings which dont last long, some are deeply committed ‘loves of a lifetime’. And some are in between. The issues that they face as couples seem largely the same too – although same sex couples encounter hurdles to so many things heterosexual couples take for granted.

      I feel that as a community we are diminished by having laws to differentiate between people simply on the basis of sexuality. These laws are clearly to the detriment of the other values we collectively hold dear – family, love, commitment….

      It will be a mark or our social maturity when our laws allow same sex couples to marry if they want to.

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      • Sometimes Karen

        Thanks Kate, and yes, I agree that the government is too concerned with the ‘Christian backlash’.

        On a slight tangent, it’s ironic that both major parties also seem to be scared of voter backlash when it comes to asylum seekers … the bible is thick with exhortations to love and care for foreigners, particularly poor, oppressed foreigners.

        *sigh* I’ll keep writing letters ;)

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        • Sarah Greenaway

          I really like this Karen lady.

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          • Sometimes Karen

            LOL thanks Sarah.

            I promise you I’m entirely unreasonable and snarky on at least 3 days per week ;)

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    • kiwichick

      isn’t religion the greatest fraud of all time?

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      • Sometimes Karen

        Hi kiwichick,

        I could interpret your question many ways, it’s difficult to tell what someone means with such a quick comment on the net!

        I would say this though… I agree that religion is wildly fraudulent when it gets hijacked and misrepresented by people peddling their own agendas. Christianity has a bad name largely because so many Christians neglect a basic instruction from Jesus: “Judge not and you shall not be judged.” Religion can absolutely be tainted by hypocrisy, intolerance and bigotry.

        I have read the bible from cover to cover and I am constantly amazed at how some Christians in the public eye espouse views that are simply unscriptural. I’m also frustrated by many ‘rank and file’ Christians that get on the bandwagon about ridiculous stuff, like when Christians protest about Muslim schools … absolute stupidity IMO.

        Put simply, I don’t follow a religion. I worship God and his son Jesus Christ. I do go to church, despite the many frustrations I find there, because I believe Christians should encourage each other in their faith.

        I don’t expect to have changed your mind with this comment, but I do hope that it gives you some insight about how ‘religion’ is sometimes a poor reflection on God.

        If you’re at all interested, you can check out a blog post I wrote recently about I agree with a Tim Minchin song in which he criticises Christian schools ;)

        http://sometimeskaren.blogspot.com/2011/03/jesus-its-tim-minchin.html

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    • Angela

      What a fantastic comment. I want to put it on a billboard.

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      • Sometimes Karen

        haha! good luck with that Angela! :)

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    • Evan Cooper

      Hey Sometimes Karen,

      I don’t think anyone reading your post could think you mean any disrespect at all. The bible and scripture can be a hard thing to reconcile with living in the world we live in.

      What I like most about what you have written is that you are looking for answers to understand the world that you live in and the faith that you have. Many people who call themselves “christian” shut themselves off from trying to understand people different to themselves.

      No one is asking you to tell your God they are wrong, but god did give us free will and thus that means we want to ask questions and look for answers. which is exactly what you are doing.

      I also applaud you for actually talking honestly about how this affects you personally , that is a brave thing to do in a public forum.

      I admire your commitment to your faith and your ability to show empathy

      so thank you,

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      • Sometimes Karen

        Hi Evan,

        Those are very kind words indeed, I’m quite humbled!

        I guess I’ve come to my conclusions based on my experience with overcoming what Christians call ‘sin’. At the end of every day I could write a laundry list of things I did and said that don’t uphold Jesus’s exhortations to love your neighbour, to live selflessly and charitably, to treat every person with dignity and respect. And most other Christians I know are the same.

        So who are we then to hold non-Christians to account on something so arbitrary as their sexuality? We might as well campaign for the criminalisation of lying and covetousness whilst we’re at it. It’s a nonsense, and it diminishes our calling to proclaim Jesus’s true message (which is another debate entirely and I shall not inflict it on you now!).

        Anyway, thanks again for your comments, and I wish you every success with your beautiful and inspiring project.

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  26. Cynthia

    such a beautiful article.

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  27. Brissie mum

    I lived in London for a long time and my gorgeous male boss had been with his partner for over 18 years, in the last 3 nursed him through stomach cancer and many work days he came in after having had no sleep as he had been up all night holding his partners hand. In his final days he was not allowed in the intensive care ward because they were not ‘common law’ spouses.

    I cannot even begin to tell you off the look on my bosses face when he told me that he felt he had let his beloved down because his partners greatest fear was that he would die alone with no one holding his hand which he in fact did thanks to this ridiculous ancient law.

    Good luck in all your future projects Evan as you seem like a lovely man that deserves all that us ‘straight’ people take for granted.

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    • Monica

      Oh how sad for that couple. I’m going to show this to my FIL who came to visit us with a petition to sign against gay marriage. Needless to say we didn’t sign it & all he went home with was a severe ear bashing.

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    • Eternally

      Did that happen recently? Certainly in Australian hospitals for the last 10 years if not longer it would have been unthinkable for same sex partners (or de factos)to be excluded, and hopefully the same applies in the UK.

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      • Brissie mum

        no Eternally it was back in 1998 in the UK, thank god now they have relaxed the stupid hospital rule in most places or I think the big thing was that he was not his ‘next of kin’, well he was in their eyes. Plus same sex marriage in legalised in the UK now.

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    • LauraS

      That is the saddest thing I have heard in a long time.

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    • Mary Christmas

      How devastating for your boss. How very, very sad. It makes me wonder about the nursing staff on the ward where his partner died. How can they live with themselves?

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  28. Evan Cooper

    WOW I’m so moved by all of the comments that are appearing here. There are times you think that marriage equality is never going to happen, and then I read all these messages of support.

    thank you all, the world will be a better place because of your belief in love and equality.

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  29. Jayde

    ohhh i love seeing those pictures and i adore the photo of John and John! Everyone in the those photos are so happy and in love and its quite evident from their body language! it flippin 2011 and i think its about time the world just got the frick over what ever their problems are about gay marriage and just let love be love…. i am still so confused as to how exactly two people getting married actually affects anyone else except the two people getting married….. I am married to my husband and i am pretty sure John and John are not one bit worried about that or have an issue with it!
    I hope that my child grows up in a future where if u love someone, and u want to be married, u can be married! no matter what!
    Gay, Straight, black or white, marry who u love and adore, u have my support always :)

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  30. lizzybennet

    I thought to myself just then, as a straight person, How would I feel if I was denied a legal right for a reason as obtuse as my sexuality?

    I literally felt my heart sink, and land somewhere hot and angry in my stomach. I stand by the belief that in approaching others we acknowledge what it might be like to walk in their shoes. For gays and lesbians who wish to marry, I can only imagine this issue is devastating and frustrating. I wish those who fight against this change could stop and imagine what it must be like to love somebody so fully, but live in a society that LEGALLY damns it.

    I wait for the day we elect a political party with the guts and decency to discard their fears of the religious right, and dismiss the thoughts of whether or not it would lose them the next election.

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  31. Bradley

    Whilst I am 100% in favour of same sex marriage, I have to say that it’s better to have loved and been loved than to have never known love at all.

    The law has to change. Julia….are you listening ? Perhaps you could discuss the issue with some members of your cabinet. I’m not expecting you to divulge the contents of the conversations, just engage in some meaningful dialogue.

    Many good and decent people would appreciate it !

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  32. Finding Ella

    Love it.

    Marriage is so freaking dated , it is really just an ancient ritual so why the hell can’t they get married ? Just because the Bible says so ? such bullshit.

    I am tired of hearing ” it has always been one man and one woman”,well once upon a time women were not allowed to vote, and our friend Julia would have never become PM if things didn’t change.Maybe she needs to wake up to that.

    It is so bigoted and Nazi minded to treat human beings like this.It is just marriage for christs sake.And then they say that marriage is sacred blah blah.

    If two men or two women getting married makes your marriage less special , then something is really wrong with your marriage.

    Gah I am pissed off now.

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    • Finding Ella

      John and John are so cute , I hope I will be together that long with my boyfriend .

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    • L E Bee

      “If two men or two women getting married makes your marriage less special , then something is really wrong with your marriage.”

      Ah, I love this! Definitely going to use that line in the future!

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  33. P

    What a great story. I totally agree with the sentiments expressed.

    I got married a few weeks ago, and as my (now) husband and I went through the ceremony text, we both felt really uncomfortable with the words the celebrant legally must say as part of the ceremony:

    “Marriage, according to the law in Australia, is the union of a man and a woman, to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life.”

    We talked for hours about how to express that we don’t agree with this, and eventually decided on asking the celebrant to add the following sentence, immediately after that line:

    xxx and xxx wish to express that it is their hope that one day soon all people will be able to exercise their right to publicly and formally declare their love and commitment through the institution of marriage, as they do today.

    As it happens one of our groomsmen is gay, and a good friend and wedding guest is in a long-term lesbian relationship (with a child), although we would have said that even if that wasn’t the case. The three people all came up to us during the evening and said how pleased they were that we had publicly acknowledged during our ceremony, that the laws aren’t right.

    I really can’t believe it’s just not a non-issue. As I read in the comments below ‘if you don’t agree with same-sex marriage, don’t marry someone of the same sex!’

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    • Claudia

      My husband and I felt exactly the same, that was such a good idea to add that – I wish we’d thought of it.

      Instead we just told the celebrant how uncomfortable it made us and she agreed and said unfortunately it was one of only two things she needed to legally say, so we didn’t have much choice.

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    • Evan Cooper

      Dear P,

      That is an amazing story. If you would like to, it would please me greatly to be able to post that story on The Commitment Project website. my contact details are on the website and i welcomoe you to think about it. The fact you had that said in your wedding moves me

      Evan

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      • Love is eternal

        Evan – I watched my grandmother and my mother kiss their husband’s goodbye. The most heart breaking yet illuminating moments of my life. So…….does it matter if you are straight or gay – HELL NO! Love is love – and it lasts forever…..

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    • Finding Ella

      That is great ! If I ever get married I will add that too , as I would feel the same.Plus one of my bridesmaids will be my male friend who is gay.

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    • A

      P that is a great idea! I will definitely include that when I get married. Although hopefully by then the laws will have changed and I’ll also be able to imagine a time when I can attend my brothers wedding.

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      • Danielle of Adelaide

        I very very fortunately got married before that was inserted as a legal requirement in the ceremony.

        But every wedding I’ve been to for the last 6 years has follwed that immediately with some form of caveat. Some ‘polite’ some much more angry.

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  34. Alice Harrington

    What an inspired project! Love John and John: “We like the same things and we love each other.”

    And you can’t choose who you fall in love with. Love is hard enough, without the extra drama.

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  35. An Idle Dad

    How awesome is Michael Kirby? So thoughtful and intelligent – if I had to pick a surpreme overlord tyrant type person, he’d be it for sure.

    Off topic, but you know what drives me nuts? When I see a great album recommendation I know I can log onto iTunes or somewhere else and download it straight away.

    Looking in Amazon or iBooks and neither is available. 1st World Problem? Oh yeah.

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    • Claudia

      He’s a wonderful person.

      Which is why I dislike BH rather a lot…

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      • An Idle Dad

        BH?

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        • Denyse

          Bill Heffernan . My guess.

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          • Claudia

            Spot on D!

            Sorry Idle Dad I just don’t even like saying his name. What he did to Kirby was despicable…

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    • Denyse

      I heart you ID & I heart Michael Kirby.
      My visits to the High Court especially to see & hear him .. Were splendiferous

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    • No Catchy Nickname

      I don’t know if you have facebook, but there is a Justice Michael Kirby Appreciation Society on there, where you can bask in the awesomeness that is Kirby J! :)

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  36. Lily

    I just don’t get how people can argue against it. I really can’t get my head around it. Ok, you’re not into it personally, so don’t do it.

    But if it’s not hurting you, then what difference does it make to your life to let some other people be happy?

    I know a lot of people argue religious grounds but marriage is a universal concept across ALL religions and atheists like myself are allowed to marry.

    I’m no Jesus expert, but he sounded like a pretty nice and tolerant guy from some of the stuff he did. I can’t imagine him really having a problem with it.

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    • Detachable Princess

      I saw a pic of a gay rights march a while ago – the pic might even have been on here.

      A man holding a sign: “Jesus hung out with 12 men and a prostitute. I have more in common with him than you do”. Love it! :D

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  37. Elli

    I’m a bisexual woman. Because my partner is male, I have a choice whether to marry him or not (we probably won’t), but if I was still dating the woman who introduced us, I would be denied that choice. Ridiculous!

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  38. JosieY

    Thank you Evan for such beautiful images. Bring on the days when we are all equal under the law!

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  39. A Crilson

    Great project.

    Not allowing people who are gay to marry is discrimination plain and simple!

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  40. Anonymous

    State sanctioned discrimination is everywhere and I cannot understand why anyone would be desperate for the imprimature of the state on a relationship. As long as the legal rights are no different who cares what you call it or who sanctions it. If it is religious sanction that is sought then find a religion that will sanction it. Of course if it about making a political point or some social comment then be honest enough to admit it, make the point and move on.

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    • Rick Morton

      I speak for myself when I say I don’t seek religious sanction. I don’t need it because marriage is a contract presided over by the state. I want the state to offer marriage to all (nothing more and nothing less) because that is what is equal. And that is what is right.

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      • Paul M

        If equal is always right why are there different tax rates, state sanctioned dissability discrimination, different treatment for the indigenous, laws against polygamy only for the married…the list is endless. I personally have no interest in being made equal to many as, in my view, equality is very over rated.

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        • Lulu

          “laws against polygamy only for the married”

          ….. ?

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          • Paul M

            If you are unmarried you can have as many partners as you want. It only becomes illegal when you marry more than once (though not for everyone). Many of our laws have there origin in religious beliefs and could be said to be anachronistic.

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            • Lily

              ‘Equality is overrated’. Let me guess, you’re a straight white middle class male?

              Well, why would you want to mess with a system that was geared in your favour?

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        • Rick Morton

          You’re confusing genuine support for the genuinely disadvantaged with equality to restore human rights. I believe in both those things. And I’d be concerned if you didn’t.

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          • Paul M

            I am simply making the point that there is a lack of equality in many areas almost all of which are more important than this one. I don’t presume any human rights, only responsibilities.

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    • Claudia

      I care, a loving commitment should be recognised by the state whether the couple is gay, straight or otherwise. It’s that simple.

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      • Paul M

        And in most states they are recognised legally, just not called marriage.

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        • nic

          Ah..and that’s the point, isn’t it? MOST – not all. “Just not called marriage” – why not?

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          • Paul M

            Because they don’t feel inclined to change a legal definition of a term enacted many years ago. So called “de-facto” couples are also not called “married” but none of them are complaining because the term is unimportant to them. Only the legal entitlements matter. But then unmarried heterosexual couples do not have a political agenda to push.

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        • Detachable Princess

          Didn’t we do away with ‘separate but equal’ in regards to racial differences? Why should it apply here?

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  41. Claudia

    Can someone please send a copy of this post to Julia Gillard?

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  42. Lu

    To be honest the gay marriage issue isnt a big deal to me, its just not on my radar. But I dont like the idea of just living together, I believe in marriage. So I guess it only seems fair that like minded gay couples should be able to move their relationship to that level of committment if thats what they want to do.

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  43. Anonymous

    Love, love, love this blog – thank you for blowing the stereotypes out of the water! I loved the fact you put those loving faces there too – you can tell they are so happy and in love – it has brought me a sense of possibility and optimism for all relationships – including my own nearly 6 year old marriage.

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    • Evan Cooper

      Please keep checking back on the blog as I’ll soon be posting some photos that will even further break sterotypes and I can’t wait to share them with you all.

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  44. Simba

    Great article!

    There is NO difference in the love and commitment that a heterosexual or homosexual relationship can have. I have witnessed this with my own eyes. That’s why it’s about time the discrimination stopped and this country allows gay marriage. My gay friends should have the right to choose if they want to get married or not, just the same way as my partner and I have the choice.

    Thank you Mia and the team for increasing peoples awareness on this issue. I hope that the politicians who keep denying people this human right realise their mistake sooner rather than later.

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  45. Danya Wellington

    Gosh I feel quite weepy looking at those pics.

    Love is love xxx

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  46. Sarah in Adelaide

    I am constantly baffled by this issue. To me it is simple. Two people love each other and want to make a legal commitment – allow them to do so. Why on earth is this (allowing same sex marriage) such a big deal? I just don’t understand.

    It makes me so mad that marriage is not a right for all. I hate that in this day and age we are still having to fight for such basic equal rights. C’mon people, there are actually real problems in the world and right on our own doorstep that deserve our attention. Leave people to love and marry whomever they choose!

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    • sally

      Couldn’t agree more…I am 22 and hope when I am older that we’ll look back on these days and go ‘hey, when I was in my 20s same-sex marriage was illegal…’ “wow, illegal!??”

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      • Sarah in Adelaide

        My eldest child is 5, I hope he looks back and thinks WTF just like we do when we hear about racial segregation, women not being able to vote, etc, etc!

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  47. OssieLeo

    who cares if you are a same sex couple or not? Love is love…

    As for me, I am so envious of the people in the photos and those who find long lasting love or any kind.. I hope I will be blessed like that too X

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  48. Vanessa

    This kind of government-sanctioned discrimination horrifies me. Can you imagine if we told Jewish people they couldn’t marry, or black people, or Muslims? No-one would stand for it, there would be a huge outcry. And yet it’s apparently ok to discriminate against homosexuals?
    And we can hardly tell people to stop bullying gay people when the government and the churches are doing it, can we?

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    • Paul M

      So now this is government and church bullying? I don’t think this suggestion advances the interests or the perception of gays.

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      • Rick Morton

        How would you describe it Paul?

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        • Paul M

          For the government, political expedience, for the church, the vast majority simply love and respect people for who they are in my experience.

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      • Vanessa

        Look, I’m not in the mood for an argument, so this will be the last I say on the matter, but exclusion IS a form of bullying and like it or not, our government and many religious institutions are deliberately excluding gay couples by not letting them do something that all other adults can do. ‘Exclusion bullying includes leaving someone out, ignoring them, or making them feel unwelcome.’ (google)
        Also, it’s really disingenuous for the government to implement all kinds of programs to stop bullying in schools etc, particularly of kids who identify themselves as being gay, when they demonstrate by their actions that they don’t consider gays being deserving of equal rights. It seems to me to be a ‘Do as I say, not as I do’ kinda thing.
        That’s my two cents, anyway!

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  49. Fairy Princess

    I agree with same sex marriage 110%
    Can’t believe we are still having this discussion…..

    My favourite quote is from lesbian comedian Wanda Sykes-

    “If you don’t believe in same-sex marriage, then don’t marry somebody of the same sex.”

    hahaha- well said!

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  50. Anonymous

    im proud of the people who allowed their photo’s to be broadcast so publicly. I support gay marriage, as Britney Spears put it “love is love people”

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