@guest2 maybe it is ageism, but the health advice is that it’s safe for over 60’s and that’s what they should take. We don’t have the luxury when we don’t have enough vaccines to be choosy - but I don’t believe in forcing people to take the vaccine, I’m just never going to agree with people eligible for AZ and not Pfizer holding out -it’s just a decision that affects everyone.
@hopey I agree that we should never mandate vaccination and everyone has a choice what they put in their body (although I do support business owners refusing service and employers refusing applicants who are not vaccinated)
@guest2 but it IS ill informed - every single medical and scientific body in Australia agree that it’s an effective, safe, vaccine - and if you’re in Sydney in particular, the best vaccine is the one you can get, regardless of age. Yes, there are very rare side effects, but the risk gets smaller with age - which is why it is frustrating and selfish when we see the low vax rates of older people, many of whom are waiting for Pfizer - when those jabs would be better placed in a younger persons arm.
@dangerk The BLM protests in Australia were also discouraged and condemned at the time due to covid concerns, the behaviour of those protesting was clearly better than what we’ve seen today, and the covid situation during the BLM protests and today, was completely different - it was June 2020, most areas were out of lockdown with a smattering of cases - today we have 3 states in hard lockdown with a new, harder to contain variant.
I’m slightly more positive this lockdown, than last time that we’ll come out of it on time. And I’m also not doing any of the above either, and I’m thoroughly enjoying a glass or two of wine tonight.
@cat yep - 100% I agree
@guest2 I’m not suggesting we do away with quarantine and open up to let everyone in quarantine free - but I think our hotel quarantine is working OK, we’ve only had a relatively small number of leaks and we’ve coped OK with them. But we’re 18 months into this pandemic, we should, by now, be able to handle even more travellers through the system. The thing that for me makes it racist is the double standards towards the EU\UK\US, when they had hundreds of thousands of cases per day the planes still (painfully slowly) kept coming - and theoretically, by now, our hotel quarantine system should be even tighter, however - because this is India, and the majority of Australians over there are of Indian descent - people seem much more eager
I really worry about Australia’s standing in the global community once covid is finally over - we’ve ostracised ourself in order to keep covid out, which for the most part has worked, at the expense of humanity and empathy at times. I can’t think of another democratic country who has been so solely concerned about their own standing in this pandemic without much concern for others, or indeed it’s own citizens. It’s embarrassing and disappointing - but not entirely surprising from our xenophobic governments.
#18, Christie hit the nail on the head - let’s stop competing on how we birth our babies - we don’t need a race to the bottom, let’s elevate and celebrate positive experiences, no matter how they happen. I’ve had 2 c sections, one not planned and a little shit, and one planned and perfect - the recovery is no joke, but I can’t imagine it’s great for a vaginal birth either.
@mamamia-user-556745246 We all obviously wish that Khloe felt comfortable to publish more realistic photos - but the fact is, it’s her decision what gets posted of her. I don’t know anyone who posts photos online where they don’t feel good about themselves, it’s all about the lighting and the angles. So whilst it’s disappointing, it’s not really Khloes responsibility to post natural photos instead of the edited ones, just so we can all feel better about ourselves.
@anonymous I understand hesitation, it makes sense, especially when our kids are involved, but....vaccines are such a privilege - there are so many countries that kids are dying of all the dozens of things you rightfully say our kids are vaccinated against.
I had zero sex - not out of choice, but out of fear of vomiting in the first four months or putting my hip out in the last five months due to PGP 😩😩😩
@cat you’re right - young people, and some of the lowest income earners in retail and hospitality are the sacrificial lambs of this pandemic - I don’t think anyone is questioning that we needed to lockdown in order to protect our hospital system, but now I think the question now is surrounding the trigger points at which we open up, and whether they’re achievable.
There are a lot of stories of employers essentially telling sick employees they come in or they don’t come back - staying home when you’re sick seems like a pretty easy thing to do when you’ve got access to sick leave, or work for a responsible employer who will take you back when you’re well - but for people living pay to pay, what is $1500 pandemic pay when you don’t have a job to come back to? I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not making excuses - but the blame shouldn’t be placed solely on the individuals and we should be asking more questions of the employers and the laws surrounding casual labour.
I assume there’s just as many people across the country who believe such conspiracies - so perhaps the reason for the test refusal is more to do with the Victorian governments poor communication to immigrant and vulnerable people throughout the whole pandemic which has resulted in a lack of understanding In these communities about the importance of testing in wide numbers.
@guest2 Other states had protests with no uptick in cases. Dan Andrews and his experts chose a path early on that was separate to other states and the federal guidelines - they got it wrong and need to take some of the responsibility - which isn’t Dan Andrews strong point. NSW opened restaurants and cafes etc prior to increasing private gatherings - social distancing is easier to control in a restaurant than in someone’s house, with the added economical benefits.
So true. They’re also being guided by their unions and, in Victoria particularly, state governments who seem to be amplifying these fears.