Why The World Could Turn Against Anne Hathaway Again & Kate Hudson’s Headline-Making Dating Ick
First up, we weigh in on Kate Hudson’s ick, she knows it's controversial, and yet she said it anyway.
Plus, after a year of intense online harassment, a certain Irish star has finally sat down to address the "dirty laundry" surrounding his high-profile breakup. We unpack whether the internet's take down of Barry was called for or did the pile-on go too far.
And finally, the trailer for the new Colleen Hoover adaptation is here and it’s reignited a debate about one of our most iconic leading ladies. We unpack why the "Hatha-hate" narrative is resurfacing in 2026 and question why society is still so quick to turn on women at the height of their success (plus Laura spills on what Anne is actually like behind closed doors).
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From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodney.
00:06Speaker 2
And I'm Tina Probus and coming up on the show today, poor little Barry Kerrigan has given a bit of a tell interview to Benny Blanco about why he had to escape Hollywood even though he's in the midst of filming one of the biggest movie franchises that is going to hit our screens in the coming years.
00:22Speaker 1
So we're getting into that because there's a few layers, there's a few secret videos.
00:26Speaker 3
I'm glad you said his name first. From here and out, he would just be Barry.
00:29Speaker 1
Yeah, let's just pull that young young or Baz, because the thing is when he says his name, we's got such an irish little to it. And I wouldn't dare. I wouldn't dare trying to speak like that man. Plus, Anne Hathaway a new trailer for one of her highly anticipated movies, one of the five movie shows coming out this year has just dropped, and of course The Devil Wears prior to two is out this week. But it started a very uncomfortable conversation around her that we're gonna jump into. But first, some important breaking news, and no, it's not the fact that Laura Dern has been confirmed to replace Helena Bondum Carter on the White Lotus season, even though that was breaking news this morning. But we have something more important to discuss.
01:07Speaker 3
Yes, we are looking at what of Kate Hudson's X, which I personally am a fan of X. I think we should all be allowed to have something that we just draw as a boundary. It's okay to have boundaries.
01:18Speaker 1
Yes, So Kate Hudson, who I'm going to say, I love a Kate Hudson interview because that's the lovely thing about growing up as the golden child of a NEPO baby family is like that girl can say whatever she wants in the nicest way possible. So Kate Hudson went on Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen this week because she's still doing promo for Running Point season two. If anyone hasn't seen that, it's on Netflix now. It's so, so, so good and she's so good in it. But one of the questions was about X, and you can see that she was like, I'm taking a stand.
01:47Speaker 3
What male behavior gives you an immediate ex Oh, oh oh, I have a Okay, I'm not this is this is going to go bad and I'm going to see it anyway and maybe headline It's fine, Okay.
02:00Speaker 1
I have a real issue with guys who like really lead with their spirituality in a in a way.
02:10Speaker 3
That you're like, why are you? I don't know, what are you doing?
02:13Speaker 1
Why am I?
02:15Speaker 3
I'm like it just immediately a red flag like something's off, yes, not right. Yeah, I have no issue with that. Thank you, Kate Hugs.
02:26Speaker 1
I love how much she had to carry out that, Like she's like, should I say it? Should I not say it? Should I speak on it? Should I? She's like, I know this is going to cause headlines. Like when I saw that, I like leant up in my seat. Yeah, what is this girl going to say? That's going to ignite these international headlines? And I'm gonna say it. Wasn't overly disappointed, Like I was not expecting her to say spirituality just because of who she is, everything we know about her for her entire life.
02:50Speaker 3
You know, surely she has someone very specific in mind. She was that one guy exactly.
02:55Speaker 1
I feel like there's a backstory here. Okay, First of all, what do you think of that as an it would that turn you off?
02:59Speaker 3
I guess in terms of spirituality, are we talking religion or more like woo woo?
03:04Speaker 1
I think in her case, I'm thinking like super woo woo.
03:07Speaker 3
I feel like both might put me a little bit off to leave with that, like it's not your whole personality.
03:13Speaker 1
Yeah, I think I think there's a bit of a backstory there we're not getting. But I can read between the lines is that this woman has been in the dating pool at many times of her life in a really specific place, like in the kind of Hollywood world of like La. She's been raised in that area, and I think what she has encountered is a lot of men who were also raised in this kind of rich, famous Hollywood kind of those echelons of they don't have they've never like confronted in their life. They've never had to think about what to do with their lives and so or like make money and all that sort of stuff. And so that type of man or person, to be honest, like men and women can do it is that they then start to sort of be like, well, what else is there? What they like grab on to this very intense form of spirituality and that's fine, but then they make it everyone else's probes. That's when Anti Cohen, I think, says.
04:04Speaker 3
Like saying it's douchey, I feel like doo sheey. It was probably definitely a subshot, and they lead with it.
04:09Speaker 1
When he said, oh, they lead with it, and she was like, yes, So it's the kind of guy that you go on a first date with. And I just like Kate Hudson sitting down and she's a good time girl, Like she seems so fun.
04:17Speaker 3
I love her.
04:18Speaker 1
She talks out the fact that she loves to like go out and have a drink and dance and like, you know, she's just a real fun person. And I think she said some of a guy who was like, let me tell you about my ten steps.
04:27Speaker 3
Which makes me interesting.
04:29Speaker 1
I never asked you one question. I think that's who she's talking about.
04:32Speaker 3
I agree. I think that's totally fair to lead with that. I also think, like for me, someone that this sounds bad, actually no saying it.
04:39Speaker 1
If Kate Hudson can take a stand, you can mind's worse.
04:42Speaker 3
I think, oh, you're well, this isn't my ick, but just someone that has a lot of goals, like men with lots of goals. Like I dated so On once and they had like a list on their wall of like their goals, And I kind of put that on par with like spiritual thing because it's probably too far.
04:58Speaker 1
I can just hear a bunch of really fragile mens screaming right now, like we can't win. The thing is if I had no goals like being there, I think leading with it is what she's saying, and that's what you're saying too, Like if he had mentioned you in a conversation like, oh, I really want to do this one day, what's one of your goals? I'm assuming that would be fine.
05:15Speaker 3
I think it's like having interests verse, you know, outlining like this is my way of life, and like assigning your whole personality to a spirituality verse like it organically coming up at a conversation. Yeah, so maybe it's the nuance to it exactly.
05:29Speaker 1
And I just feel like after a while, like Kate hasn't has said for herself, like she was in the dating pool for like a good thirty years there from when she was a teen, and she has dated a lot of really big Hollywood celebs, a lot of musicians as in like tortured kind of musicians, and she had children with like two different musicians who seem nice but kind of get the vibe of being like very much like me and me like my art, my music. And that woman has had access to like every kind of hot man in Hollywood, and she's ended up with her friend's brother who's like out of the Hollywood world. And I like, there's a lesson in that we should love for all of us that she looked away from. And she'd known this guy for years, Danny, and they have a kid. I love bought it together now and she was just like after a while that she just kind of realized it's him. It's my friend's brother who's like not famous at all.
06:13Speaker 3
What a movie on that?
06:14Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah movie. So anyway, she's taken a stand on the biggest ick, and like people have really reacted to it. Some people in the comments are like, yeah, this is my biggest ick too, and then some people like this is awful, what a terrible thing to say. But I just think, let the woman speak, turn you off the spirituality thing. I think what she's saying too, if it's the main topic of conversation, there's no one thing. If the person's right, I think it turns you off, but I know, I know so well the kind of cuy she's talking about, who would sit down and make the whole conversation about their spirituality and like if you don't agree with everything, they think that you're wrong and they're more enlightened than you, and they'd probably do yeah, exactly exactly, and like they do, and you're just like, just chill and tell me what TV show you're watching, Like I don't need to hear your ten step spirituality and why you're going to have And I'm going to burn in hell because where you're going I don't want to go. Sorry, it sounds bad.
07:05Speaker 3
For the past year, the internet has been piling on to Barry They've been piling onto that man.
07:11Speaker 1
Coward my god key, well, he says in such a husky voice.
07:17Speaker 3
Well, some people say, some people shaking Barry Yeah, Barry Kay. And it has been piling on to Barry Kay following his split from Sabrina Carpenter, where there was swirling rumors of a cheating scandal, and they have just not left that man alone, and up until now he has never addressed the rumors. He's definitely come out and like talked about the online harassment that his face and the scale of bullying that he's come up against, which has sounded really hard, but it hasn't really slowed the pace of everything down. But now he has sat down with Benny Blanco and his podcast Friends Keep Secrets and done a little bit of a heart to heart.
07:54Speaker 4
Just on a serious note. You know, I feel in the safe space to see this. And you know what, I have been avoiding stuff. I have been like, you know, I came off Instagram, you know, on social profiles. I stopped going to events. I've stopped you know, just socializing. And again it's because you know, there was a narrative out there that was never really sort of even spoken on a narrative that's not true, and I never confirmed or said anything about it, and you know, I just disappeared.
08:29Speaker 1
So there's a lot of interesting things about that podcast. Clip one is just the fact that that podcast in general, like I've watched Benny Blanco's podcast a few times, those men just sit on the floor.
08:39Speaker 3
It's kind of chill vibes.
08:40Speaker 1
Yeah, but that's not how you podcast. And I'm not getting quite try that. Yeah, I wooden floor exactly about us, and we had to record during all those years of lockdown, like building a pillow fort, building a mattress tent, all those sorts.
08:55Speaker 3
Of things, because they're in pants, they're not inside.
08:58Speaker 1
That's not why sometimes I can just not just men famous people can just really do the better of them going through that. I mean, Barry did look very relaxed. He's sitting cross legged on the floor. But this is one interesting thing where it's like watching the podcast does give you a bit more than just listening to show there's people in the background just making tea in the kitchen and all those things. They must have excellent microphones not to pick up that background noise. But watching Barry's kind of like he his shoulders really slump. He puts his head down. You can see that he's like having difficulties speaking about it. But he's obviously had this really pent up inside and it's something that like he hasn't spoken on since the breakup with him and Sabrina Carpenter happens. So in that interview he kind of confirms they did date for over a year. He doesn't get into any of the specifics of why they broke up or anything. Like that. But he is in the midst of filming the Beatles movies, which is a huge, huge role that like every actor in Hollywood was going out for those Beatles roles, and it's going to be just kind of like this huge movie moment. So he's been in big movies before, but he's about to be in like a blockbus essentially, and so I think he knows that, like, he's got huge rounds of press in the next couple of years coming, and he also just needs to be in the public eye for his job in general. So wonder this was a bit like trying to clear the conversation before he goes back into.
10:14Speaker 3
That, and the scale of the harassment is it's quite disgusting because he has grown up with a lot of adversity. He speaks a bit in this interview about how people, you know, dragging his late mother into things she was an addict, and then he also has his own struggles with addiction. So I think stooping to that level and having to be constantly faced with that kind of commentary would be really hard when you know you've got this massive press run coming up.
10:40Speaker 1
Yeah, exactly, And it was, Yeah, it was kind of interesting. When he and Sabrina broke up, because they were never like overly overly public about their relationship, but they were photographed together a lot, and they did like when she did her Vogue with Come like he's in the video clip as well, Well, he's in the video clip, yes, yes, But prior to that, like they did there, like they were never like posing the heaps couple photos. They were never like on each other's Instagram stories. She never said like, this is my boyfriend Barry. That's like the three year master yeah, celebrity exactly. But the first time they really confirmed their relationship in a very public way was when she was doing a get Ready with Me behind the scenes video with Vogue before the Met Gala, and he walked into the room so it looked like he had an joining room, and he walked in and they were like, you know, the little kiss and a little to get like very clearly, very coupply. And then they've been photographed together since then, but never in like a like that was their kind of big moment. And then when they read the video clip together that was obviously huge. Yeah, and just like kind of like a cute, floirty thing. But I think one of the reasons why their breakup was so so public, there's a few different reasons. One is that, like we had song lyrics to fall back on, and as anyone who's daily Taylor Swift or any musician knows, that's gonna get you every time. Because she was like, please don't embarrass me, and everyone's like, and he did, and that was like a battle cry that people got really ferocious about.
11:56Speaker 3
Yeah, I think as well. It's something so relatable for people, and that's why it's like easy to latch onto it because everyone probably has someone in their life from their past that they kind of share those feelings towards. So when it's music, you I mean, I'm the kind of person that listens to music. I'm like, this is about my life.
12:12Speaker 1
Yeah, well, I guess I'm just thinking that a good song, you're like, yeah, that just hits in the right place.
12:17Speaker 3
If you're in a bas you're like looking out the window.
12:19Speaker 1
There's some lyrics that are just universal, and they're usually about heartbreak. They're always about that. One thing I thought was super interesting is he was talking about and he never gets into like the depths of him and Sabrina. But like if anyone knows anything about their relationship. You can kind of read between the lines of when they broke up. There was a huge amount of allegations that he had cheated on her, and she never came out and said it. But sometimes like she would be on stage, like she was on stage in Ireland once and she was sort of joking about like not wanting to date Irish boys again, that they were kind of like a bit of a bad idea, just like really how she A lot of people probably share that thought, Yeah, and exactly, and she was, you know, she was catering to her audience and stuff, but she never said the words Barry cheated on me. But what did happen that he brought up in this interview that I thought was really interesting is he said that a video went out from a woman who said that he had cheated with her, and that did go everywhere. And what he said I thought was really interesting and something we bring up on this pot a lot is that he said she then released a attraction video saying that she was a lion. She made it up, but no one picked up on that, which is so the case when these stories kind of they break, they come out, they burn hot and bright and a lot of times when something like that or a rumor or a misunderstanding or something happens, there is another part of the story that comes later, whether it's a retraction, a clarification, someone saying they were lying, like the full interview being released. There's always a second part to the story. But the second part of the story never gets the same traction as the first.
13:41Speaker 3
So I guess theys a lot about how people consume things as well, Like even when you see a headline, you may actually not have ever read the full story, Like you just see the headline and then that's your truth that you move forward.
13:49Speaker 1
Yeah.
13:50Speaker 3
Yeah, I remember seeing the video that went up and like there was just not really any grounds to truth with it. But if you just get that kind of like headline out of it, it kind of like takes on this whole life of its own. It is just crazy, the flow on effect that it's hard on, like you forget he's a real person.
14:05Speaker 1
Yeah, exactly. And that's why we say, like people do just read the headlines, and a lot of the time I'm just like, well, sometimes with like fame and money and everything like that is sort of just unfortunately, like the price you paid. But I thought it was really interesting where he was like, this woman came out and gave a retraction and no one, like, no one saw that, no one pitched.
14:21Speaker 3
He's so strong for one not fighting on that, well he did.
14:26Speaker 1
Yeah, And I mean, obviously I wonder if there's like how much a PR team is involved, or maybe it is also I don't know this man. Maybe this was his thought, like it was very like holier than thou, kind of a nice way to say it, because he was like, I don't know what this woman has gone through in her life, so I'm not that holy call her out. Well, yeah, I don't think yeah, to give her Barry Kaye the benefit of the doubt. That was really nice of him, if indeed that was his own thought, is like I'm not going to pull this woman through the mud and set the internet off on her because I don't know what she's been through, what's going on with her. It's sort of interesting because that's sort of this huge chain of reaction of people hating Barry. And before that he was really having a moment. He had been in an Oscar nominated movie and everyone was like, oh my god, he's a great actor and then after Saltburn, he was having such a fun cultural moment and everyone was like, oh, that tiny evil man, like so cheeky and fun, like everyone loved him, and so when he and Sabrina got together, everyone's like, oh, it's just we love that she's obsessed with like that little gremlin boy. It was really a moment on the internet too, like everyone boy is crazy, yeah, but in an endearing way, like everyone was upset in the way that only men can be, like you know, like rat Boy, fort of stuff and it's all endearing.
15:34Speaker 3
Your face was always coming up in the Rat Boy, yeah exactly.
15:37Speaker 1
So it was all that. And then stuff came out, yes, about his family and like drug abuse and all this sort of stuff, all these allegations, and he talked about it, but at the same time, like people were sort of using then his own words against him, and then people were also bringing out the fact that he was which again cernificants brought up for any other men in Hollywood. I don't know if all of a sudden we decided that Barry was going to take the flack for absent fathers everywhere? Is that? But also people were like, well, where is your son, Like he is because he has a son. People were like, you're off with Sabrina, You're not looking after your son, You're an absent father. I think at one stage he was talking about having to be away and working, but he was doing that for his son, and people were like, you're just making excuses, and all of a sudden, that like became this huge lynch pin. In a way, it's not for other men in Hollywood. Like, I'm not defending him for if he doesn't see his son, but I'm just like.
16:23Speaker 3
That's most in Hollywood. Yeah, Yeah, they're not at home raising their kids every day when they're filming movies months on end.
16:30Speaker 1
Yeah. I just think felt like it became just another thing to add to this kind of like it's very personal Eylon and like when we thought he was cute and sexy, no one cared about that. But when we thought he cheated on Sabrina carp and all of a sudden, everyone's like, you come from a drug addict family and you're a bad parent. Yeah, he was like where we were next.
16:47Speaker 3
It's a really low blow. And obviously in the industry, people are getting away with a lot more and not having you know, so many people cracked down on them. It's almost like it's easier to attack, attack on this.
17:00Speaker 1
Yeah, and again I think like a song lyric will really change the game, Like it became sort of like cute and fun to hate on Barry, and I think because it's also very easy, like there was no except for him personally, there was no stakes for anyone else Whereas I kind of looked at like the attacks on Barry, and I was like, where is this for like men in Hollywood who are like abusive towards women, or where is this for like men who have been accused and sometimes found guilty of like sexual assault or all these other things, or like physical assault, all these other things, Like they tend to sort of get more of it because sometimes that's a murky issue and interesting.
17:35Speaker 3
It's like if people don't have all the information on something that's higher stakes, then they weren't common on it at all.
17:41Speaker 1
Yeah.
17:42Speaker 3
But then if something's lower stakes and you don't even have any information at all, yeah, feel free to go wild.
17:48Speaker 1
Yeah exactly. That's I just found such an interesting and just like which parts of the internet pick up which topics, because sometimes like a man will be accused of sexual assault and not even not found guilty, but just sometimes there's not enough evidence to get to court, which is not the same thing, and everyone will be like, well, that's not ruin his life. But then everyone's like, wait, did Barry kiss someone else? Yeah, stone him to death, Like it's very because again that feels like there's less consequences for the audience. So yeah, I thought it was interesting, and I like the fact that he did come out and have that conversation and like kind of be a bit vulnerable in that way because he's really trying to gun towards this very famous act not famous, he's obviously famous, but more kind of serious actor kind of vibe, and a lot of times that comes with like not giving like being only out of DiCaprio and not giving an interview since a teen magazine like thirty years ago, and not kind of speaking on anything, only ever talking about your movies and your craft and never talking about yourself. It felt like he was kind of and like Paul mescal and other actors who are in his Jacob e. Lordie, like other actors who are in that young Hollywood about to be that next level of very famous man are all going that we don't speak in interviews.
18:53Speaker 3
Keeping it very personally.
18:54Speaker 1
Yeah, exactly.
18:55Speaker 3
He lifted the veil a bit, and I think he's a really powerful story so it would be really nice if he's able to speak about it without people throwing stones in.
19:02Speaker 1
Yes, exactly what the little man. I mean. We get maybe he did, maybe he cheated horribly on her.
19:07Speaker 3
We don't know, and if that's the case, then.
19:11Speaker 1
Exactly. But we'll like the full interview in our show notes. Who will listen to the full thing because there's a lot more than that little moment. But yeah, interesting when the Beatles movies come.
19:19Speaker 3
Out, Yes, I'm so excited.
19:20Speaker 1
Yeah, I actually think that'll be a tony hoot for him. I think people will see him in the Beatles movies, they'll love the movie and they'll be fine.
19:26Speaker 3
Yeah.
19:28Speaker 1
So it's been a huge well it's been a huge month year, but also week this week for Anne Hathaway because The Devil West Prota two is finally I'm not gonna do it this movie. Huge week for us. We went to the premiere of The Devil Wears Pritor two this week. We can't say anything about it today, but that review many many thoughts on that are coming. So the Devil Wes Protor two is out starring Anne Hathaway. Of course, it's one of the many movies she has coming out this year, so Mother Mary, where she plays a pop star, The Devil Wes Protor two, obviously, The Odyssey, Christopher Nolan's new movie, which is going to be an absolutely huge blockbuster packed with Hollywood talent. She's in that Flower Veil Street, which is more of a sci fi mystery. This's got range.
20:07Speaker 3
Yeah, she's got range.
20:08Speaker 1
He's got range. And also Verity, which is coming out in October, which is a new thriller based on Colleen Hoover's best selling book of the same name. So the trailer came out this week. It was our first look at There's been so much hype around this particular adaptation of Colleen Hoover's novel, just because it's so beer loved and has such a twisted mystery, and also the casting, because we've got Dakota Johnson playing Low and Ashley who was hired by a man called Jeremy Crawford played by Josh Hartnett. I'm loving the Josh Hartnett come back in the way Why did he ever go away? I do love that man, and so she's hired by him to ghost write novels for his best selling author wife called Verity played by Anne Hathaway. Because she's an accident, she's unable to finish, and so Dakota Johnson's character moves into the Crawford's home to work on the book, only to discover that, of course, all is not as it seems, and there is a mystery with Verity. And the trailer is like really creepy and like atmospheric, and it also has a pretty lovely pash between Dakota Johnson and Hathaway.
21:09Speaker 3
Love that they put that in the trailer.
21:11Speaker 1
Yeah, they were like, we know exactly what you guys want to see, and here it is at the top of the trailer.
21:15Speaker 3
So I haven't read the book. It looks quite dark though, like a horror.
21:19Speaker 1
Yeah, Like it's like a kind of like a horror thriller, kind of like that old school like a Rebecca type kind of like you know, mystery of like what's happening in the home.
21:27Speaker 3
Kind of thing. It's interesting seeing what people are already saying in terms of like what they expected, Like some people like this is way scary than I thought it would be like people interpreted different in their heads.
21:36Speaker 1
So and it was one of those things where like when their casting was announced that it was Anne Hathaway Duco Johns and people that quite lost their minds of that because they were very kind of like territorial overut who would play these characters. So on paper, this should actually be the best year of Anne Hathaway's life professionally.
21:52Speaker 3
She's busy because of all.
21:53Speaker 1
These movies coming out, and there's this kind of just felt like when she was on The Devil Wears prior to press to her, there was this like inten hence love and admiration for her and so on paper, everything is perfect, but of course there's a bit of a different conversation bubbling around in the background. Do you remember, like it was nearly eight years nine years ago now that the Half a Hate started? Do you remember this dark time.
22:18Speaker 3
In our history this time?
22:19Speaker 1
Yeah, well, hopefully not on the internet because it was not a nice stay.
22:22Speaker 3
I don't think I was part of this movement because I wouldn't want to stand for that slander. Well no, exactly exactly.
22:27Speaker 1
So it was a dark time in history where Anne Hathaway had grown up as one of the most beloved actresses because we were introduced to her in The Princess Diaries, iconic Disney film Perfection Can Do No Wrong, and then obviously she had other movies like Ellen Enchanted, so you know, she really a lot of people really grew up with her as their actress, as the person that they would like. You know, people would be like, the first time I went to the movies was to see Ella Chanted, or like the first time, like my friends and I had to sleepover, we watched The Princess Diaries, like it was that kind of way.
22:55Speaker 3
She had a very like soft transition into womanhood as well from that, like Disney Girl.
23:00Speaker 1
And then when she got The Devil Wears Prata, which was it became a huge iconic movie and it was a big deal at the time, but not like it kind of became when the movie came out, and she has spoken very openly that she was about fifth on the list of actresses, so like they had to a lot of people had to say no to the role, and she had to go through like a lot of negotiations and auditions to get that role, and then that kind of was her big star making turn because that movie was sush a blockbuster. She's so great in it, and then she went on to like have all these other big movies that followed it. It was around the time of when she was starring in lay Miz that she won her first Oscar for it was her first Oscar nomination, was the first time she won. It was during the press one for that that people started to really turn against her.
23:44Speaker 3
Yeah, right, and all.
23:46Speaker 1
Of a sudden. I mean, the thing is, she was campaigning very hard for an Oscar, which is what you have to do to win. No one wins at a campaigning, even if you step aside and let your team campaign for you, you have to have a campaign. But she was front and center campaigning, and she run lot of awards leading up to the Oscar and lay Mis won a lot of awards, and people started to tire of her. They were like, she's a tryhard, she's annoying, she has theater kid energy. And one of the worst allegations against her was when Laye Miz won an award and as they were wrapping up, she jumped in on the end and thanked someone from her team, like personally, like thanked one of her managers. And there was this huge backlash, and it wasn't til years later that came out that person had been diagnosed with cancer and she just wanted to give them a shout but also even.
24:28Speaker 3
If they had it, like, let her give a shout out, Yeah, let her give a.
24:31Speaker 1
Shout out to someone in her teen And when she won the Oscar, that's also when the tables turned because she got up on stage and she and also people hated her dress. And that's neither he nor there. But the story was I didn't love it. No, okay, I just think he didn't photograph well. And but the backstory is it was, it was fine. It's a fun It's one of those engages that she is such a she's such a red carpet staple glam kind of and she'd had so many great dresses leading up to the Oscars that I just thought that wasn't the dress. It just photographs strangely because of the darts at the front. It made it look like her boobs were sticking out and the front, no, you do you know the dress't talking about?
25:08Speaker 3
No, it was a I think it.
25:10Speaker 1
Was Prada, which is ironic, and it was like straight down, pale pink column dress and it was just the way the darts were sitting. It made it look like she had breast, which I actually think is quite fun. And then it was it had a lot of detail at the back, but you couldn't see it. And so the story goes that they were rehearsing for le A mis because they were doing a music home in the Oscars, and Amanda Seifered, who was also in the movie, showed Anne hath the Way a picture of her dress that she was wearing to the Oscars the next day, and apparently Anne like lost her mind and I'm assuming just lost her mind and like, oh my god, shit, like because it was nearly identical to her dress, so different designers. Tina's just looking at a picture of the dress.
25:51Speaker 3
Now the dress is quite average. Yeah, I mean, but maybe the back, I don't know. If it was.
25:56Speaker 1
No destroying the woman's life for five years from put that it was okay.
26:02Speaker 3
Yeah. Also a lot of people.
26:04Speaker 1
Wear dresses to the Oscars because it's very serious things. A lot of times that people wear a bit more of a kind of and they want it to look timeless.
26:10Speaker 3
And and she looks beautiful, like if she was in the room she was wearing that phenomenal beautiful.
26:16Speaker 1
She looked beautiful, and I think it's fine. But what happened was, Yes, the story goes that Amanda seiphred and Anne has a way to confirm this happened, but she's never said it was Amanda, but we know, we know showed her photo and Anne was like, oh my god, that's nearly identical to my dress. And we're in the same movie and we're walking the carpet near each other and we're seeing next to each other, like, what am I going to do? So apparently she left and Amanda also left because they were both like, we can't deal with this right now. And so the night before the Oscar she had to find a new dress and that was the pink column dress, and again she won lovely moments. She's always wanted to win an Oscar. Sorry, that's fine, that's fun. That the people started hating her because she got up on stage and it was clearly a rehearsed moment, but she's an actress. What do you want from her? It was clear rehearse moment. She up and instead of speaking, she took a moment of silence. She looked down the Oscar and it's like and she just stared at and then she goes it came true, as in, like I wish for this and it came true.
27:10Speaker 3
Yeah, oh again, is that so fine?
27:13Speaker 1
You? Like she had her Yeah. I just think people were just like.
27:16Speaker 3
Winning an oscar. Just let them do what they want with that moment. Yeah, pretty one. Just let them have antense.
27:22Speaker 1
And I thought that her speech was lovely. It was really heartfelt. She was very overcome, as you would be. And and I feel I can speak like this now because can I say I've always been on the right side of history. I defended Anne Hathaway before it was cool. Yeah, and then she spoke about like sex work and like because her character obviously in the movie, she's like, let Fantine's story kind of be like a reminder to us about this, and like she'd obviously really thought like what is this moment about, what is this character about, and what is the bigger issue? So she did all that, and then people were just like, we're so sick of her, we can't stand her. She's a try hard and the hard thing is is that she kind of I think knew the tide was turning a little bit, but it was until she like a year or so later, when the internet had been hating her for a year or so and very blatant, and was that she sat down to google something about herself because I think it was she was going to do an SNL sketch and she wanted to find a headline about herself to kind of like she had an idea for a joke. She wanted to parry it, so she googled Anne Hathaway and she said all that came up like fill the screen was like ten reasons why we hate Anne Hathaway. Here's why everyone decides they've hated Anne Hathaway. Here's the worst thing about Anne Hathaway. And she was like, oh, sorry, my god, Like yeah, she said. It was really kind of confronting to her to realize how fast spread the hate was. And then she ended up having to do like a magazine cover where she's kissing on it. I think it was Elle where she's kissing and she's like, let's kiss and make up. And I was like, girl, you have nothing to apologize.
28:44Speaker 3
No, no, and hath a ways to apologize.
28:46Speaker 1
Yeah, It's weird that, like again, we see all these men like do and I know that's like kind of a tied take that men and women get treated differently, But it's it's unfortunately very true. Is that we see like men get accused of like they screamed at this one on set, like Adam Driver threw a charity and a donner.
29:02Speaker 3
Literally, why are we not talking about that anymore?
29:04Speaker 1
Well, yes, it was part of their like rehearsal, and she's not angry at him. But also, like you know, and we have all these things of like you know, men cheating or men doing things, or even other actresses sometimes doing worse things. And the worst thing in Hathaway did was just love her to work too much.
29:18Speaker 3
She's just going to work. I've got Jacob Elodie in a million movies right now where like keep going exactly.
29:23Speaker 1
And I also and yes, there are allegations that she was rude and difficult, but we don't have any like there's no proof of that that I can also.
29:32Speaker 3
Rude or difficult or just at work being professional and asking for what.
29:36Speaker 1
She Also, no one's that I can see, No one's gone on the record to say that she was difficult to work with. In fact, it came up in a press conference once. I think it was for Interstellar. I came up on a press conference where a journalist is like, what is it like to be No One as someone who's really difficult to work with it? And it's like oh, and then Jessica Chustin jumps in and she's like, I just want to speak on this that I've worked with this woman twice now and she's not difficult to work with. But it's like saying like that part of the story of never took off, Like No One sort of was like, oh, Jessica Chustin defends Anne Hathaway. They were just like she's.
30:07Speaker 3
There these speculations of her just being lovely to.
30:10Speaker 1
Work Yeah, And there is that interview that went you know, that moment in time where like all the Blake Lively interviews were coming out around like oh, she's awful at interviews, and you watched a super cut of interviews. And it really depends how people edit things a lot of the times and the context around them. But an old interview came up with Anne hathawayen a journalist. It was four laid miss and the journalists keep saying to her it was the same journalist that Blake Lively was accused of being you know, the whole baby interesting and then they were like, oh, look like Blake Lively is getting crucified for being rude to this journalist, which she kind of was that's fair enough. And they were like, look when this like Anne Hathaway was also rude to this journalist. And this clip went viral and it was the journalist saying to Anne Hathaway like, can we can we sing our responses to each other? And apparently other people in lay Miss did it and Anne was like, oh, you can do that. I'm not going to do it.
31:00Speaker 3
That's what I would say. Yeah, yeah, I don't want to sing no.
31:04Speaker 1
And I actually think that's so fine, Like it's it's a hard line of like you're in an interview, sometimes you have to go with the bits. But I also think saying to something like maybe going into an interview and saying to someone, especially if like it's not a pre approved kind of thing, like going into a junkert where it's like every five minutes you're talking to a new journalist and a journalist coming in and saying like can we sing our interview and her being like no, thank you, And it's fair.
31:26Speaker 3
Enough because then it could go in the wrong way, and then that will be the story that spirals out of control, Like you've got to be like thinking a couple of steps ahead on Yeah, what's the output of this got to look like? And a people gonna hate on before it?
31:39Speaker 1
Yeah, exactly, And it's so interesting obviously, things like I haven't seen like the full full clip of that in terms of like it wasn't released, Like I haven't seen what happened before the cameras started rolling the cameras afterwards, So I don't know if she was rude or not, but no one cared about that was that isolated clip. And she ended up apologizing to the journalist. Yeah, and because I think she was like, oh god, this is gonna you know, I think.
31:58Speaker 3
The journalist would know as you as well, though, like this could be yes, this could be an I'm gonna shoot my shot.
32:03Speaker 1
I just think it was a moment in time. And then everyone's so back on the inn Hathaway train, as they should be, Like mymorphus loves being held to account for bad behavior. But I just don't know if there's any.
32:14Speaker 3
Bad blockbuster movies that I've seen from her.
32:18Speaker 1
There's nothing that I've seen from her that justifies the level of hatred, except that she just seems to try really hard and she's really earnest and she's a theater kid energy.
32:26Speaker 3
Which I love.
32:27Speaker 1
But I will say, like, having interviewed her myself personally, now.
32:30Speaker 3
She has her friends lovely.
32:33Speaker 1
She was really lovely, and yes, she was very kind of and I've seen her be like this in other interviews. I think because my questions were a bit more serious, which was fine because that's why I wanted. But she gave me really thoughtful answers and I really appreciated that. But I walked in the room to interview her and Meryl for Devil Words prior to too, and there was a bit of a change with the time, and I kind of got when I went in the room, I wasn't sure. I thought I was going into you know how like can go into a junk and you think it's gonna be like a holding area first, and then someone and often there's like a screen and there's all this and the PR person walks around introduces you, and then they take you in and then you're like, oh, okay, like now we're starting. Whereas I open the door and it's just Maryland's oh, right in front of me away, and they were just like oh hell. And I was the first one, so they were just like oh. They were still like settling down, putting their waters down, like Merret was drinking her water because they'd been doing a full day of press. And I was like, oh, hello, and then I didn't even introduce myself because I was like, oh, I'm yeah, and I'm like to the camera and I talked to the camera person instead of them because I said are you filming now? Because I don't want to miss my interviews? And Anne was like like really rolling yeah, you know, it's like high stakes in that room. And Anne was like, oh, sorry, what is your name? And I was like, oh, I'm sorry, it's Laura, and she is all lovely to meet you, Laura. I'm Anne, and this is Meryl. That's really I do know, but like nice to like she was sort of making sure that we had that moment of like seeing each other's names and saying hello. And then I found her really thoughtful and I just watched her because I saw her during that press day. I saw her like do a whole bunch of interviews in the morning and then do all the junk kids and then go and do a fan event that night, and I could feel that she was really like not being cautious, but really trying to make sure that she gave really thoughtful answers and that she was acknowledging people, and that she was giving people what they expected of having their moment with Anne Hathaway in a really intense way of someone who knows what it's like when that goes the wrong way. So I really appreciate it that that's lovely, and I just think it's kind of like now that I'm seeing like even like, so we put up all our Devil Wears prid of clips from the interview that was on the spill, and most of the comments are like lovely and really supportive. But I have this one clip that's got a lot of traction online where I asked her and Meryl, like, because they can't watch The Devil Wes Prita as their favorite comfort movie, what is their like what is their version of The Devil Wears Prata? And Anne gave some really lovely answers. One of them was Moonstruck that she says she watches in bed and with ice cream, which I did over the weekend I haven't seen Moonstruck for ages, but I watched it and I got some ice cream and I was like this, girls on stop like man' the same Shelle. There's also a bunch There was also like a bunch of comments under a TikTok video of people like, look how Ovalish's polite she's been to that interviewer. Look how careful she's been. And then other people were like, oh, yeah, it's because she's like got in trouble before. And everyone's like, oh, I'm getting so sick of her.
35:14Speaker 3
And I was like, guys, none of these are bad things, so she's being too careful.
35:19Speaker 1
Yeah, And I can just see that the tide is not turning against her. But I can just see because she has to be so public this year because she's mailed these movies and just the way the release schedule has fallen, they're all coming out in one go.
35:31Speaker 3
Yeah, even when people like you're so busy this year, like these have been filmed probably over the past like five.
35:36Speaker 1
Years, And I just yeah, And I just find it really interesting that we're even having this conversation in twenty twenty six about like whether or not the table should turn on and Hathaway because she hasn't done anything to deserve that, and it's just justice.
35:49Speaker 3
For Anne Yeas twenty twenty six.
35:52Speaker 1
And it's just it's interesting. As much as we keep having this conversation, it's still like the worst thing that a woman can do in Hollywood is be like two in your face and two in your in terms of like be everywhere and having to promote a movie successful also walking that fine line between like having to be like a little bit self deprecating but also like sometimes very earnest, and it's like everyone's watching you walk this tight rope of like and if you put a foot too far the other way then you have to go. And other actresses have said before, like it's anything happened to Jennifer Lawrence, Like do you remember that when she was everywhere and she won her oscar? It's always when a women wins an.
36:26Speaker 3
Oscar, whenever they're successful, people just want to like really narrow and on things. And I think that's what makes it hard again, just going back to the fact that Anna's just working, she's doing good jobs, she's booking great roles. Why would she turn them down? Yeah, She's got her biggest year ahead of her. There is absolutely no reason to hate someone based on those things.
36:45Speaker 1
No, No, and that thing is like when you ask people because people have just because I've written a lot about this in the past, Like I wrote a big piece about the haf of hate when it first was starting and being like, we need to stop this because all the reasons why, And that piece still bops up on search a lot. Whenever she's in a movie of people like Big Year for You, then yeah, guys read yeah, like I read that piece like eight years ago and every word is still correct of what people have said. But yeah, and whenever like she's in a movie or like when I've interviewed her, like the first people say like, oh, what was she really like? And I was like, she was lovely in a way that you've No one's ever asked me in that tone about any other actress I've interviewed. I've interviewed some mean actresses, to let me tell you, and no one cares about that. But yeah, I just think it's interesting of like how like women come to this moment in Hollywood, like a Jennifer Lawrence, like an nn Hathaway where they searched to popularity and then we decide that they've had too much time in the sun, or they're too quirky, or they're too earnest, and then they have to go and like hide away, I don't want and then they decide to come back again.
37:49Speaker 3
Yeah, they've got it. They've got to buy their time.
37:51Speaker 1
Yeah, so go see Devils prior to go see all of Ann Hathaway's movies. I guess, and I just hope this conversation Petere's out now.
38:00Speaker 3
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