Portia de Rossi apologises for being married to Ellen.
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Do you believe gay people should be allowed to marry? I do. And I'm always amazed by people who feel so threatened by it. When two people who love each other vow a lifelong commitment in front of their friends and family? How does that affect my marriage?
Here is Portia de Rossi on the Jimmy Kimmel show, sharing her thoughts on those who voted against Prop 8, the California legislation that all-too-briefly allowed gay couples like herself and Ellen to marry….before being idiotically voted down in a referendum recently…..
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From some medical perspectives, babies are considered to be born homosexual. Some studies have found this preference is determined by the levels of certain hormones present when the child is still in utero.
Those with an alternative view might find researching “Etiology of homosexuality” a balance to their religious or social perspectives.
So, coming from a medical framework, denying homosexuals something based on their sexual preference is like denying a person a right because they were born with brown eyes, or a birthmark on their lower leg.
A bit silly and odd
Loved the apology. Power to the Gay Married People who are “sorry”!
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I’m quoting “L” here… “The Bible does not change between Old and New Testaments. …The Bible is the most accurate ancient document in the world. That’s actually a fact. It is not watered down in some chinese whispers game, but every translation goes have to the original Hebrew and Greek texts.”
ummm… yeah, you might wanna do some actual research on that and perhaps present some supporting evidence because I am a christian (for some 30 odd years) and in my studies and those done with many others, I have not found this to be the case at all. That has nothing to do with my faith or the word of god – I’m merely commenting that those were very concrete statements you made without any supporting evidence.
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Getting back to the clip, I thought it was BRILLIANT! Love it when a new approach illustrates the absurd nature of an issue. Go Portia!Get married all homosexuals who so wish and be happy!
Didn’t want to bring religion into it, but I can never understand why “compassionate” Christians are always the last to show true compassion?
Love TheRealSydney.Fantastic. You posts are great.
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I had to comment, not so much on the gay marriage topic, but on Mia’s comments about Prop 8 being “idiotically voted down”. It was voted down by the same idiots who voted for Obama in record numbers. In particular exit polls showed black voters voted overwhelmingly against Prop 8.
So, were they stupid and idiotic to vote for Obama as well? Seems unlikely the same people could be so smart and brave and then, within seconds, be so stupid!
Perhaps the issue was more important than we think?
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you have to separate the issues, it is in ‘black’ culture, not just in america, but in other parts of the world, eg jamaica, to be very homophobic, so OF COURSE they would vote against prop 8. u can’t compare. the motivation behind the two issues for all people who were voting are so different.
in my opinion, people voting against prop 8 are just very religious, and i can’t say on here, what i think about people who are very religious.
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Again, it’s really nice to see such a contentious issue discussed in a (mostly) respectful way on this blog. Love that.
My two cents: I am 100% for gay marriage and it stuns me that people would so passionately advocate banning something that has no bearing on the way they live their own lives.
I’m also 100% for atheism, though I understand and respect the fact that religion is important to others. Personally, I don’t get the concept of ‘faith’ and am as likely to believe in Adam and Eve as I am in Santa Claus.
I can understand that religious people use their beliefs to guide their own lives, and I get that that can be really valuable and meaningful. It’s when these beliefs get pushed onto others who don’t share their faith that it becomes inappropriate.
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I apologise L … i’m just one of those people who gets provoked when told to calm down or breathe … it does exactly the opposite.
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Jaz ,for God’s and our sake ,lighten up with the religious stuff.
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Sydney I was not being sarcastic. I really did mean that everyone just needs to breathe.
Don’t preach to me about where my Christian values are. You have absolutely no right to speak to me like that.
I’m done here.
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Totally agree Redhossy and TheRealSydney. I too would like the bible bashing to stop…especially as we can all see it is a huge repository of information and you can twist it to suit any argument you like.
Not everything has to come down to god…you can be informed by your religion in yourself as a person without having to post about god all the time. I have some very religious friends – attending bible college and all – who don’t feel the need to push god onto me all the time and who don’t hide behind “well god said this” to make their arguments.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and the wealth of opinions shared here are some of the reasons I enjoy Mamamia so much.
That said, I have to admit I’m getting a little tired of being bible bashed on a regular basis by some contributors here, and as The Real Sydney said, it IS starting to border on preaching.
I respect your beliefs enormously, and your right to declare them. By all means state your position, but can we rein it in a bit please people?
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Like TheRealSydney, I’m not religious in any sense of the word, and see marriage as a step two people take to show each other – and the world – how much they love each other…the gender of those two people should not matter one iota.
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reminded me of this
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Yikes sounds like everyone needs to pop as chill pill as they say *hahaha* but while everyone is going on about their beliefs I may as well say I’m a super left wing Catholic who believes that homosexuality is not a sin and that yes gay people who love each other should be able to marry. Rah rah rah!!!
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L – telling people to ‘breathe’ whether said with love or not is condescending & sarcastic – where are you christian values now ?
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Oh my goodness everyone just needs to breathe… said with love from a sanctimonious narrow minded Christian person.
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CC – loved your post – props to you – I wish you all the best for your family!
But I can’t believe what I’m reading – are you sanctimonious narrow minded Christian people serious?
Fair enough blog your opinions, but some of this is bordering on preaching – perhaps you need to take a step down from your pulpit.
I’m an atheist – and it never ceases to amaze me how much you’re all sucked in by a ‘cult’ book that was written so long ago that it can’t possibly be accurate.
Anyone want me to get on my soapbox about Darwinism & how certain species of animals have been found to be homosexual? didn’t think so …
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JLo, I was not aiming comments at anyone in particular, if I was I would have mentioned names. But it’s cool to have your opinion, and I’ll have mine, as will Jaz, Mia and everyone else on here who is game to enter the minefield! xo
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If marriage depends on believing in Jesus Christ & “that the Bible is the Word of God”, then there are a lot of *heterosexual* couples who are apparently not married either: Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, other faiths, let alone great numbers of non-religious people.
I would like to see one of two things happen:
(a) Civil marriage rights are extended to gay couples as well; or:
(b) “Marriage” is restricted to refer to ceremonies undertaken in a religious context only (church, synagogue, mosque, etc); everyone else (gay or straight) has a “civil union”.
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It’s great to see polite and well reasoned debate going on on this subject. Too often it becomes a hate-filled screaming match. As others have said, one is free to hold whichever beliefs one relates to, -it should not necessarily follow that these beliefs are the ‘ultimate truth’ for everyone on ths planet. What truly amazes me is that we still have wars idealogical and actual about something that cannot be proven definitively.
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L,
I have not asked Jaz to stop blogging her opinions, I like hearing lots of different views and opinions and agree with you that people aren’t going to budge on their views- that’s a good thing. I was simply making a point that there are other points of reference outside the Bible that influence my decisions and ideas,so for ME the references don’t really have an impact, that does not mean they are less relevant to others.
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I’m not getting into this because everyone can type till they are blue in the fingers but there is no way any of us are going to budge on what we believe. Are we? NO.
BUT. I am so sick of people making generalisations.
The Bible is NOT ‘re-jigged’. Its wisdom, like it or not, is the foundation for the laws we have today (do not murder, steal… hello). Jesus teaches to love and respect one another also. A revelation for many I’m sure. The Bible does not change between Old and New Testaments. The Old Testament is history from Creation to just before the 1st coming of Christ. The New Testament is Jesus Christ, through to his 2nd coming. The Bible is the most accurate ancient document in the world. That’s actually a fact. It is not watered down in some chinese whispers game, but every translation goes have to the original Hebrew and Greek texts. I think Jaz was trying to point out that Marriage, (like it or not again) is rooted in ceremony and tradition as a covenant with and before God. I actually appreciate and respect the fact that Jaz is quoting scripture, even if people say they switch off… because obviously she is trying to show that she is not just making outlandish claims like some people, but can back it up with the scripture she like many of us believes in.
And moreover, if you get sick of all this ‘religious speak’ then stop posting stuff that you know people will blatantly disagree with. Everyone says that we’re to respect other peoples choices but does that not include Christians? Jews? Muslims? Hindus? If you can blog your opinion, then so can eveyone else.
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Fee…absolutely. But that just proves my point. The bible can be re-jigged, re-written, whatever you want to call it because the wisdom it contains might no longer be relevant. If the bible can change from the old to the new testament then why can’t it adapt to meet modern standards.
And surely, if people like CC want to live good lives full of respect and kindness and love and decency, then why shouldn’t they also be allowed to love god?
I no longer think that the bible is a relevant argument for banning gay marriage and in any case…what happened to the separation of church and state?
Religion should have no place in shaping the laws of our country.
Marriage is the joining of two equals in love Man or woman or any combination of them.
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CC so gald you posted and all the best to you and your family. I hope you post more often, particularly about these types of discussions.
Amy Sheaves you are a God’s send! (and I not even religous) Christians like you give the religion a GOOD name as far as I’m concerned, hope there are more like you out there, but if you are, you seem to be a little quiet the rest.
and Jaz, I have to agree with kateinlondon, I know how important your religion is to you, but to be honest, once someone speaks, reads or writes quotes lots of information from the Bible, I immediately switch off. I do not mean to offend, just want you to know that honestly, for lots of people, those quotes do not make an impact.
P.S MANY others have already said this, but being gay is NOT A LIFESTYLE CHOICE!!!!!
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I love when mia’s mama’s get fired up about something – and since every other time I’ve gone to comment, it doesn’t work, but yesterday it randomly did, I’ll give it a go again today…
As a Christian, I don’t agree with the lifestyle of a gay person [even though some close friends are gay] but I think that all people should be able to love & be loved no matter what… I don’t like the use of the word “marriage” as it’s between a man & a women, but am happy for it to have all the entitlements… It shocked me when a guy I work with told me if his partner was dying, he would have no authority as a family member because they’re gay & his partner’s family could reject him if they wanted to… I think that’s no ok… Can’t we have a civil union that recognises the commitment between a gay couple & that allows them to have the legal “couple” status that hetero’s have? It seems that even defacto couples have more right over each other in event of an emergency than “married” gay couples… doesn’t quite seem right…
Tara, just to clarify a little, the old testament law was “re-written” [for lack of a better word] in the new testament so while the exodus laws were relevant then, you need to look in the new testament to really compare the bible with today…
Always a little scared to post incase I offend people – so sorry if I do…
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I am getting sick of this whole bible debate too but it just seems to go hand-in-hand with so many issues here.
Jaz, you said you believe God created marriage – that is fine, that is YOUR belief. You shouldn’t marry another female. But not everyone believes in God or believes that he created marriage so why should Christians (or any religious group, for that matter) of the world be allowed to decide whether other people can get married or not?
I think everyone has every right to have his or her own beliefs and live by them but I don’t think anyone has the right to force those beliefs on other people. And essentially, Christians fighting against the right for gay marriage, is doing just that. The Bible may be an ultimate authority to you and many others but it isn’t for everyone so why should we all be forced to live by it?
And I may not agree with you at all but I don’t think you sound like a bitch!
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Good on you CC. Personally I believe in marriage for anyone and feel its very important, especially if children are involved.
The anti marriage people will argue that divorce is common, so marriage doesnt guarantee happiness. True. But even a simple marriage ceremony takes thought and planning and isnt as easy as simply shacking up together. And at least a divorce takes time and is harder to obtain than just moving out, so you have time to try and sort it out. Which is especially important when children are involved.
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Sorry, but I have got to say that i am getting a bit sick of all the bible talk going on in the past few weeks. Appreciate that everyone has strong views on their religion, but if I was to start writing about my responses to these religious beliefs i don’t think I would be too popular…
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O dear. It is certainly in these situations I want to hide under a rock. But not today.
I am a Christian and continually confused as to why other people (notably Christians) feel it is their place to make comment on others’ life choices.
The Jesus I know encompasses love, tolerance & grace. Yes, we as Christians view homosexuality as a sin, but never forget it is the sin we reject, NOT THE SINNER and there are so many other sins to pick on! The only reason poor old gays get a bashing is because it is a life choice that is seen out in the open. Imagine if hypocrisy, idleness, un-truthfulness, etc… that most of us engage in daily was there for the entire world to see, perhaps we wouldn’t be so quick to have a say!
So shut up, unless of course you are completely without sin.
PS…if you carefully look in your bible you will find it is our charge to look after the minorities!
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Sorry Jaz…i’m not trying to bait you and I’m certainly trying to respect your position, but seeing as you define a good deal of your comments around your religion I just wanted a clarification.
You said that you would respect the bible as the ultimate authority and that you would support it on every issue, no matter what.
The bible sanctions slavery (Exodus 21:7), being put to death for working on the sabbath day (Exodus 35:2) and being put to death for cursing your mother or father (Exodus 21:17)
So surely we can see that the bible was written so many years ago by men who at the time were the smartest men of their standing.
By surely by modern standards we can see that the bible, in some cases, is wrong.
Death is no longer sanctioned as appropriate punishment. Times change, religion changes, faith changes.
Surely it is time for christianity to change with the times and concede that maybe, just maybe, a book written 2000 years ago might not have every answer for our modern dilemmas.
Surely Christianity can accept all forms of marriage without being threatened by change?
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CC, I’m sorry but..do you not believe that the Bible is the Word of God? Jesus Christ is only revealed to us through the Bible therefore it would matter very much what it says.
It would be impossible to be a Christian and not believe the Bible. Thats what the book of Acts is all about. The beginning of Christianity. Thats our history.
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Hi all, I read Mia’s blog every day but this is the first time I’ve sent a comment.
I’d like to share my family with you. We are a lesbian couple with a gorgeous 2 year old and another bub on the way. My partner is a Kiwi and we were married in NZ a few years ago when it became legal.
We had been together for several years prior and I think some friends wondered why we bothered getting married. But it was important to us to formally and legally recognise our commitment to each other before starting a family – pretty conservative of us really!
At the end of the day we are just a normal little family, juggling work, play, bills and the care of our beautiful baby. He’s not old enough to understand he comes from a different family, but I hope when he is, he will know how very loved and wanted he was and how committed his parents are.
We are blessed, we are Christians and we thank God every day for our child and each other. I believe God is happy for us – despite what the bible says.
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Awe normally I am ready to speak up on what I think. I dont mind having an opinion that is against the grain..
But the odd’s arent looking good here lol.
So, here goes nothing (I’m wearing extra protective wear today).
My opinion has nothing to do with Gay rights.
I believe in human rights which does include hetrosexual and homosexual people.
But my argument would be, that God is the one who created marriage.
Genesis 2:22-24:
“And Jehovah God proceeded to build the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman and to bring her to the man. Then the man said:
“This is at last bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh. This one will be called Woman, Because from man this one was taken.”
That is why a man will leave his father and his mother and he must stick to his wife and they must become one flesh.”
Adam and Eve were the first married couple. The “becoming one flesh” is exactly what marriage is in the eyes of God. A man and a woman coming together as one. He becomes a part of her; she becomes a part of him. The original design for humanity.
Everything I have just said will mean absolutley nothing if you arent a Christian and dont believe marriage originated from Adam and Eve etc etc.
I realise this.
Gay marriage is one of those issues that…no matter how I put my opinion across, I’m gonna sound like a real bitch. This I realise too.
I see the Bible as the Ultimate Authority therefore I’ll support it til the day I die. On every issue. No matter what.
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Just shows what a great actress Portia (or Mandy as I like to call her) is that she can do that spot cause if I was her I would be so upset and gutted about prop 8 I would probably just want to stay home and eat chocolate. Love Mandy and Ellen and all the couples like them who just want to make a legal commitment.
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As Sarah#2 said – how exactly does it impact on another persons life if any 2 people get married – gay or not? Really if you don’t like a gay marriage then don’t get one. There are lots of things that I don’t like in life (religion, sport, baby corn) but doesn’t mean I have to stop other people enjoying those things if that’s how they roll. People who are so filled with hatred over a strangers decision with absolutely no baring on their own life really just leave me confused.
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I think marriage should be illegal for EVERYONE – it’s an outdated concept!
In the rest of life a 50/50 chance of something working, is not encouraging odds – why do people still keep getting married?
I’m only half serious about this.
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I am very much FOR gay marriage. I don’t see how two people who love each other but just happen to be the same sex getting married affects anyone else’s life, other than those directly involved. How exactly is two people you don’t know being married going to in any way harm or change you, your relationship, your marriage, your life..? Besides paper cuts and silly hats, of course but that’s your own damn fault!
There are many people in this world that probably shouldn’t get married to one another for various reasons (Chris Brown and Rhianna, anyone?) but it’s really nobody else’s business is it? Unless the couple is gay. Then for some ridiculous reason, people all over the world (and particularly in America) decide it’s THEIR business.
It bothers me that people feel that they have the right to dictate other people’s lives and choices. How can you say that a man and a woman have more right to the happiness, love and fulfillment (not to mention legal rights, financial security etc.) that come with being married, than a man and another man or a woman and another woman? Of course not everyone believes in marriage at all, and many couples, including gay couples don’t think a piece of paper and a party mean or change anything but that is up to the individuals involved, not some stupid politicians or random haters. I don’t see why ANYONE should be able to deny any loving and committed couple this special connection.
I love how Portia keeps a straight face through all of that. It’s all just so true.
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Ok Lulu, point taken! As long as they,re happy ,who gives a rats !
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Sorry to be picky mia but im pretty sure prop 8 was a move to ban gay marriage, not the legislation that allowed it. apart from that i totally agree with you, i think the fact that this is even an issue is ridiculous.
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Married, The Oxford Dictionary used to define gay as “happy”. Meanings change.
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Mia, the Oxford dictionary defines marriage as”legal union of man and woman for the purpose of living together”.Sure, let them proclaim their love for each other, but let’s not call it marriage. BTW, some of my best friends are gay.
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Of course gay people should be allowed to marry. Gay couples should have the exact same rights afforded to heterosexual couples.
We are living in the 21st century…enough is enough! It is time for our draconian legislation to catch up with society.
It is certainly not like we can trust heterosexual couple to protect the “sanctity” of marriage anymore! Has anyone seen the climbing divorce rate!
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brilliant.
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