At the end of many years observation as Cabin Crew, in my office at 30,000 feet up, some things could still surprise. Forget Hollywood stars and business travelers, the following groups are the ones I found most fascinating. If you find yourself on a long flight look around and you will be guaranteed to see at least some of these traveling types. You may even be one.
These are my top 10 surprising long haul Frequent Flyers.
1. People who ask where the toilets are at the end of a 12 hour sector.
Is this really the first time you have been? Everyone knows on a flight you can never have too much water. Give yourself a decent chance of not feeling like a dried apricot when you land. Recycled aircraft air is bone dry, around 11 % humidity, so moisture is literally sucked out of you. This is not urgent on a SYD-MEL sector, but you are guaranteed a non- alcoholic hangover if you donʼt drink several litres of water between Australia and Europe. Apart from lipstick and a medicinal coffee or two, it is the secret of all hosties* being able to still speak by the end of the flight. And the secret to not wearing a path to the lavs and wearing out your neighbours patience? Add juice or hydration sachets. It doesnʼt go through your system as quickly as plain water.
2. People who go to the loo barefoot.
Are you insane? While I can vouch that the loos are regularly wiped down from the mirror to the floors (the glamour!), it only takes one passenger to miss a spit into the sink to make it seem like someone has gone through a metabolic change there. Just think of it like this: would you go into the MCG loo barefoot at halftime? Well the traffic is about the same only the bathrooms in sporting fixtures donʼt rock and jump from side to side and up and down while you aim. I have seen footprints on the toilet seat, vomit and other human waste up the walls. The mile high clubbers seem benign in comparison. Enough said about bathrooms.
3. People who donʼt believe the crew.
If the hostie says there is no Cranberry juice, you donʼt need to ask 10 other hosties as well. They WILL talk about you. If they ask you to turn off your phone before take off, turn it off. It is not because they donʼt want you to play Words with Friends, it is because they are obliged BY LAWS AND REGULATIONS – if you donʼt turn off, standard operating procedures dictate that the aircraft canʼt take off. If the Captain says to put on your seatbelt there could be turbulence, then put on your seatbelt. I have seen heads go through lockers, and people lose teeth. You and your children are not exempt from the laws of physics. Hell, do you unbuckle your kids on the F3?
4. People who think cola is a good drink choice for their children on a flight.
Iʼm not kidding, people regularly asked me for caffeinated soft drinks for their tiny travel companions. I have been asked several times for Cola in a baby bottle. I was asked once for Cola in a baby bottle with a few spoons of sugar added. If you do ply your little ones with soft drinks after take off, do not be surprised when they drift off to blissful slumber…… 14 hours later on landing into LAX. Sleeping children and baggage carousels do not mix well.
5. People who lose their mind at 30000ft.
Ask yourself: would I say this/do this/behave like this in my local coffee shop? If the answer is no, cease and desist whatever it is you are contemplating. Would you cry or yell, or tell the waiter you hated them because the last lamb roast was ordered? Would you punch an old man in front of you if he moved his chair closer to you? Would you roll your eyes at anyone with small children? Would you change your clothes in the middle of the room? Kiss a complete stranger in a room full of other strangers? No? Well donʼt do it on a plane. If only because you have nowhere to hide your embarrassment for the next 10 hours. It happens.
6. People who are only vegetarians at 30,000ft.
Yes, itʼs usually true that vegetarians get served meals first but every special meal has to be hand delivered by name before anyone else gets to eat, and then you will have your empty tray while everyone else gets served. With crew to passenger ratios just under 1:50 in the Economy cabin during a meal, running up and down delivering trays can add pain to everyone, not just the hostieʼs bunions. I know you are special, but so is everyone else.
7. People who think it will fit in the overhead locker.
If you have to ask yourself, you already know the answer. There is no magical Tardis cupboard on the plane which will fit your carved elephant, precious mirror, chandelier or feather headress. Even the crew have trouble stowing their own bags when the aircraft is empty. Aircraft are so efficiently designed that every galley cupboard is full to the brim of other stuff, like, I donʼt know, food, and life rafts and boxes of juice. Just one meal service in an Economy cabin with around 350 people will go through at least 30 cartons of juice alone.
8. People who ask for the best seat.
There are no best seats. I have been begged for a seat at the bulkhead (no-one reclines onto you), and been cursed on the same flight for being seated there (I canʼt put my feet under the seat in front and the basinet is next to me!). For all the people that want an aisle, just as many want the window. Sadly no-one wants a middle seat. Some seats are near toilets and some are near galleys. I have been asked for a seat “up the front” about 72, 324 times. And, before you ask, there is only one way to get a seat in Business or First – pay for it or use your billion points. For everyone else, check www.seatguru.com for a plan of your plane and get to the airport early to put in a request. Once “your” seat is gone other people canʼt be forced out of it.
9. People who book a connecting flight an hour after their first flight lands.
You will miss your connection, or at the very least curse yourself while you test your hypertension medication running blindly through a foreign land to an unknown place. And try not to be indignant if the plane lands 10 minutes late after traveling 17,000kms. I have dropped my kids to school 10 minutes late, and we live less than a kilometre away. And unless the hosties have flown to Copenhagen on their last slip, they donʼt know the airport well, so donʼt be surprised if they donʼt know where your connecting flight leaves from. Every airport has different procedures, and the crew usually have their own separate ones as well. At some airports they get a bus from the tarmac and donʼt
even go into the terminal when they land. Ground staff truly are the airport experts.
10. People who never take off their headsets.
Offers of “Would you care for coffee or tea?” elicit a broad friendly smile and a nod from Type Number 10. The mime which ensues is sure to entertain everyone around – although pulling away your cup while the coffee starts pouring out will not make you a popular neighbour.
*Please only call them hosties if you are one. Otherwise they are Flight Attendants.
It took Kristen 16 years flying all over the world to realise she didn’t belong in the sky. These days she can be found making little girls fairy birthday party dreams come true and writing.
Have you had any interesting experiences with fellow passengers on a plane?








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I am terribly nervous flyer, and grip on to my man’s arm the whole flight. Last time we flew the seats were mucked up and I was by myself, panicking and very upset. A gorgeous German exchange student offered to switch with me as she didn’t care what seat she had, so I could be with my boy. Made my day, and the flight attendants were pleased that it was resolved. I try not to kick up a fuss, but I need someone next to me to calm me down or I spend the whole flight terrified. We’re flying again next week, and I’m getting nervous….
Loving the hydralyte idea though, genius!
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I love flying! Anywhere! I’ve never had a bad experience even the bad experiences were funny (you gotta laugh).
What does piss me off is flight attendants who look permanently pissed off. Cats bum mouths. Rude when asking passengers questions without any rudeness from the passenger.
Love Qantas and Virgin staff always friendly, happy (even when shit hit fan with Qantas). Virgin always great and really looked after me when I was very sick. Jetstar – most the time very rude and Japan Airlines do NOT know how to handle monsoon weather and completely mismanage their passengers ie you are on your own now!
All in all, I’ve had great flight experiences and met so many lovely people – passengers and staff on my travels.
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im flying to london in june by myself, im 21 and have been on a plane only once before to malaysia with a group of girlfriends. i am so nervous!!! i just really hope im not stuck in a middle seat between people (if i am please let them be small/clean/not-smelly/no bad breath etc etc) and that im hopefully seated next to some smokin hot guy who can distract me and make the hours go by a bit faster!
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Make sure you pop in a seat request with your travel agent….It’s only ever a request but airlines normally accommodate…
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Some airlines (such as Qantas) let you check in online 24 hours before your flight departs. You can select your seat preference then, as well as your meal preference.
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I bought a return ticket with Emirates for my 6 month exchange and was able to go online and choose my seat straight away.
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I’d flown lots when I was growing up but my first solo trip was Melbourne – London when I was 18. You’ll be fine- just make sure you have lots to entertain yourself with… Depending on the airline you can usually check in online 24-72 hours before your flight and pick you seat- I definitely recommend doing this!
Also if you plan of taking sleeping pills etc make sure you don’t until the ‘long leg’ of your trip i.e. if your flying 7 hours to somewhere in asia and then 14 hours to london save the pills til the second flight so your not stuck wandering around some strange airport 3/4 asleep!
Good luck
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I have just flown in from London (and going back in a few weeks) and I’m not gonna lie, it’s a looooong flight but choosing my seat definitely helped! I am an aisle seat girl as I like to get up a lot and feel really awkward climbing over people. Also, no matter what anyone says, you are going to get a neck cramp whether you have a window to lean on or not!
I guess it depends who you are flying with but most airlines let you ‘manage your booking’ online, including specific seat requests (prior to online check-in). Or if you’ve booked through a travel agent, as natters23 suggested, get them to put in the request. I flew with Etihad and got the exact seats I requested for both flights over here, so fingers crossed for the way back!
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Yes! Love me an aisle seat
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You don’t want to be next to an attractive guy. Long haul flights make you constipated and farty, no matter what you do to avoid it. I like being next to old people, they have such nice manners.
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Ha, I always thought I was the only one surreptitiously farting on long haul flights!
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Assuming you are stopping over for a few hours somewhere in Asia on the way try and change $20 into that currency before you leave Australia. Just in case you are delayed for a little while at that airport. That way you can buy something to eat, drink and read.
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You’ll be fine. I’m a London based flight attendant and fly to south east Asia weekly. Make sure you drink a lot of water on the flight, set your watch to London time and try and sleep
when it’s night time in London. Also when you arrive, the only way to beat jetlag properly is to have
a few hours sleep, then get up and do something( go for a coffee or walk), then try and stay awake till the normal time you’d go to bed.
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Dont fly jetstar or any other budget airline if you hate kids. Having travelled en masse with 8 kids and 7 adults one one such airline I had a lady abuse my 4 year old. Said 4 year olds nan promptly told the lady that she was barren and homely and just as well she didnt like kids because no one would ever impregnate her! Uncomfortable, but, us parents go budget so avoid it if you cant handle small peoples chit chat.
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Yikes… and not about the first woman you mentioned…
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And did you make a mental note not to ever get on the wrong side of your (I’m assuming) Mother-in-Law?
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Why did she abuse your four year old?.
I think saying don’t fly budget if you don’t like kids is a bit rude of you. People don’t (usually!) abuse kids for no reason.
I don’t hate kids and I don’t know what the situation was but some parents really do need to control their kids more on a flight. It is not a playground.
On a recent flight I had two kids (7 and 9 perhaps?) behind me kick and hit the back of my seat, pull and slam the tray up and down continuously for 3.5hrs..mum just did not care (she actually went to sleep at one stage..lucky her). Until I lost my shit and yelled at them ‘if I can’t hit you then don’t hit me!”. Yeah it stopped after that.
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Yeah I agree – people generally don’t yell at kids for no reason. I don’t hate kids at all… it’s the obnoxious parents with their entitled attitudes I can’t stand.
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I hate people who give the deathstare to crying toddlers and babies on flights. Yes it is an annoying noise, but feel for the poor parents, I’m sure they arent enjoying it either! put your headphones on and deal with it!
Children who run up and down aisles and kicking chairs, however….
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Totally – I have no problem with the poor parents who have to deal with distressed or uncomfortable babies and toddlers.. My gripe is about the parents who think it’s ok to let their children run amok (up and down the aisles, kick seats, pull headreasts, bellow at the top of their voices) and think it’s just “kids being kids”…
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On a flight from Bangkok last year a toddler was doing laps of the cabin while mum and dad were smiling adoringly from their seats. During one lap she picked up the drink on a womans tray and tipped it on her while she was asleep. The flight attendant had to deal with it, wet woman, spilt drink and uncontrolled child. She made the parents keep her in her seat after that. Travelling with kids isnt fun but the outcome is usually determined by how the parents approach it.
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I’ve given what I thought was a sympathetic “I’ve been there, down that” look at a poor mother who was trying to soothe her baby only to be snapped at by her with a “Got a problem??” I know now to actually SAY the words, otherwise a look can be misinterpreted!!
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You’re totally right, crying toddlers and babies I have no issue with. I know the parents are probably stressed as is it, and knowing everyone wants them to ‘shut their kid up’ but it’s not always that easy!.
Thank you for seeing the point about kids kicking and running though
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Not true. I had a french man yell at me and my 1 year old on a flight from Singapore to Melbourne. It was unwarranted. She was a very well behaved baby (not so much at 4 though!), he was an arrogant, overweight bolliox who made me cry in front of an entire plane. His problem? “people like you should not fly with babies, you are making it unbearable for everyone!”. I was surrounded by babies (I was at the bulkhead where we are all placed to use the basinettes) but sadly for me I was the only one travelling without a male partner so fuckhead french man thought I was fair game. Big mistake. Once I stopped crying I tore strips off him and the surrounding passengers got in on the act too. Everyone had my back. It was kind of cool. Oh yeah he’l think twice before her launches himself at a stressed mum and berates her on a plane..
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I mean Singapore to London. Not that that really changes the story.
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Sab, did you try simply asking the kids to stop at any point during that 3.5 hours before yelling at them? Most of the time kids don’t realize they are being annoying, and at that age if you speak to them properly and explain things to them they will usually cooperate. I fail to see why it’s ok for people to yell at kids just because the parents are being slack.
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I agree, they may have not realised they were actually kicking the seat and didnt intend to misbehave. Sometimes its just where their feet are when they’re small and cant reach the floor. Parents might have not even been aware of it. Doesnt make them dud parents, especially if they werent running around or being noisy.
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Haha oh Lu I wish what you are saying was the case but believe me they knew what they were doing. They weren’t little either, they were as tall as me (not hard though I’m hardly 5ft). Oh and just because they weren’t running around or making noise does not mean they weren’t mucking up.
Vetiver thanks so much for the explaination on kids, wow I didn’t know all I had to do was ask!.
Of course I “simply” asked, politely, many times to stop. So did the man that was next to me who they were doing it to as well. Everytime I would ask them to stop they would laugh or smile like it was a game. It wasn’t little kicks either, full on blows to the back. And grabing of the head rests to shake, and let’s see how fast and hard we can get the trays up and down! Such fun!.
Now if you saw your kid doing that, would you allow it?. This mother did, she was sitting right besides them and saw everything they did and everytime I/the man turned around to say something. It was just easier for her to let them continue than to deal with them.
Like I said, I don’t hate kids, far from it. But I think there are parents out there (not all) that need to take more responsibility for their kids. Noone should be expected to put up with that.
On another note, parents with babies – it doesn’t bother me at all if they cry. I know there’s not much you can do and besides, they are just too damn cute!.
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Thats shocking! Kids dont seem to have respect / fear of adults any more. Imagine what their poor school teacher has to put up with?? And I can imagine the parents are the sort who wont believe that their child has been misbehaving when the teacher tells them..
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….wow
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Scary.
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I’ve had some lovely experiences flying recently. On one plane journey, there was only one spare seat on the plane and the person next to it offered to swap with my husband so he could sit there with our 21 month old in the spare seat and 7 month pregnant me could have my own seat. What a star! She must have been about 20. I was also ushered to the front of the toilet queue many, many times and had the flight attendants keep coming and asking if I wanted more water.
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People who go to the toilet barefoot!!!!! WHHHYYYYYYYY????!!!!
I have seen this many times on long haul flights. I call this the ‘britney spears’ look.
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I will admit to going to the loo on a plane in my socks… I was half asleep on a 24 hour flight and shoes were far too much of an effort.
They were thick socks…
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I know it’s gross but I do it too. Putting shoes back on just seems to be in the too hard basket.
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I have been The Crazy Passenger. I was very sick on a flight from Melbourne to Sydney (alone and completely delirious, hence why I convinced myself it would be okay to fly) and spent most of the flight passed out on the tray table, before waking up and trying to eat a plain bread roll while staring into space, occasionally sobbing. The guy next to me was actually really nice and kept offering me peanuts, despite the fact that he probably thought there was something very wrong with me…
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I cant stand people who recline their seats just because they can. Fair enough when the lights are out and its sleep time, but during meal service and when you’re just sitting there watching time go by there is no need to have your seat reclined right back. The person behind you doesnt want your seat in their face and some airlines have their seats so jam packed its impossible to even read a magazine with the seat in front reclined!
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I totally agree with this – one of the most annoying, selfish habits there is. Do they do that in their car? What’s so different about a plane?
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They are probably the people who also complain about having their seat kicked! If your seat is being kicked and its annoying, it could be because its reclined right back and its annoying the kicker!
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“I cant stand people who recline their seats just because they can.”
I always recline my seat when possible because they are bloody uncomfortable when upright. My flights are always short enough that we don’t have mealtime, but I would put the seat upright during meals. Otherwise, it’s back, at least a little. My neck and back were complaining at me last time I took a flight where I ended up in front of an exit row (where you can’t recline).
And yes, I recline my seat in the car too… in fact I have never been in a car where the front seats are not reclined to a degree!
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i think she means the people who recline it right back, not a little
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Yes, I meant reclined the entire way back for the whole flight. Its very selfish.
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I recently flew MEL-LDN Cathay Pacific – their seats do not recline! It was brilliant, best long hall flight experience ever. Instead, the bottom of the seat slides forward so you get the same angle as a recline without reclining.
If this really drives you crazy it’s worth looking at this airline.
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I would agree with you except that sometimes when the seat in front of me is reclined all the way, the ONLY way I can get (relatively) comfortable and to have a bit of breathing space is to recline my seat also, so it’s a bit of a domino effect…..
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On his last trip across the country to visit me, my 70year old father was harassed and verbally abused by the woman sitting behind him. She took offence because he reclined his seat.
He has a bad back, and sitting upright for more than about 15 mins is agonising for him.
He can’t stand people who moan about the seats being reclined.
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If the airline puts in seats that recline, then they are there to be reclined. I am paying for the use of the facility (seat) so I will use it. As Anon also mentions, if the person in front reclines theirs, then you really have no space yourself unless you recline yours. I will put mine up for meals, but otherwise back it goes, no worries and no guilt. I don’t want to feel like I’m sitting in a straight backed dining chair for many hours. And I will never complain about the person in front of me reclining theirs…
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Jeez, Lu – I hope you never have to suffer the injustice of sitting behind me on a flight! I’m with Jimmy’s Girl on this one, I avail of the recline option because that’s what it was designed for. If you put your seat back too you’ll have exactly the same amount of space in front of you to enjoy at your leisure as you did before you took off! If that fails… there’s always business class
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Some people forget that the person in front has paid more or less the same for their ticket and are entitled to have their seat AND window shutter how they want it. Having said that I do ask them to put their seat up for our meal service. Most world class airlines are changing the seats anyway, so they are less intrusive.
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The thing that annoys me are the ones that head to the toilets 2 seconds after the seatbelt sign comes off. Seriously? Did you not go before you got on the plane? It’s sometimes on an hour flight to Hobart and they are up and down to the loo. Tie a knot in it. I’ve been on about two dozen planes all over Australia and have never used the toilets. I’d have to be pretty desperate. I make sure I go before I get on the plane.
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Me too. I’ve used plane toilets on long haul flights to London and that’s it. I do not understand people who get on a plane from Melbourne to launceston (45 min flight) and immediately hop up to go to the loo. What the hell were you doing for the preceding 2 hours we’ve been sittin around the airport as our flight was delayed?!!! Morons.
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Why does this bother you? Is it because they climb over you to get there? I don’t see how it affects you otherwise?
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Yes, sorry, I probably should have clarified it earlier. It’s more having someone climb over you to get out and then getting back in 2 mins after getting on. I totally understand for some, but I just think that if you’re a nervous flyer, tend to have to pee a lot etc, then get an aisle seat. Oh and as for the vegetarians who are just vegies on flight, I guess that would be frustrating. My husband is a vegetarian (has been for 35yrs) and I always request a vegie meal when booking. That way he always gets the meal.
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Unfortunately I have the bladder of a small child so I usually pee immediately before getting on the plane and then have to pee again in about half an hour. On long haul planes, I am constantly up and down (usually made worse by drinking lots of water to keep hydrated). I always request an aisle seat so that I don’t need to inconvenience others. One time I was unable to get an aisle and sat next to a very old cranky lady. I told her that I’d probably get up a few times and offered to swap if it was a problem. She refused to swap and then got angry at me every time I had to get up…she on the other hand did not pee once on a long haul flight to Europe which I thought was weirder.
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NASA nappy?
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haven’t you ever heard of ‘nerves’. some people are quite anxious about flying. and some are older and need to go more often. some could be on fluid tablets. who knows. but no need to be rude.
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Sorry, but for some reason I have no idea why, my bladder can’t handle flying! I agree, those short flights are fine. I never need to go then. But anything longer (2 hours +) and I do.Not just as the seatbelt sign is off, but I do eventually. I ALWAYS go JUST before the flight. I try to drink as little as possible during the flight, but for some reason I need to go a lot! And then as soon as I’m on the ground again I’m fine. I don’t understand it and I hate it because I feel awful if I have to constantly climb over people, knowing it must be annoying them. I usually try to get an aisle seat if I’m in a set of 3, just so I’m not climbing people. But if you’ve done everything possible to avoid it and you’ve still gotta go, you’ve still gotta go!
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I don’t understand why you would care?
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Clearly there are a better class of people in buisness and first class. That’s all I fly and I have never seen any of these things happen, and I fly long haul at least 8 times a year.
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Are you trying to be Mitt Romney? That’s the only way I can fathom this comment!
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Oh please say you’re joking Mitt (my sarcasm-dar might be off). My sister is a hostie for business and first class and she says that business flyers are worse than economy (when she used to work there). They’re rude, demanding, often overlly drunk on all the extra free booze and seem to feel they’re above everyone else. She does say that first classers are lovely though since they’re not trying to prove anything.
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Could it be the people flying business dont pay for their tickets – their employer pays, so it goes to their heads a little?
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We used to fly first class and often just wherever we got put (sometimes that’s the extra crew seats and sleeping behind the back row of seats, sometimes that’s two in business and two in economy) and I’ve seen shocking behaviour in First and Business class. The only class has been the name of the seating area.
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Mitt, I have not ‘seen’ most of these either, and I always fly economy (except for the headset one, I’ve seen that happen). But I daresay the flight attendants fly an awful lot more than you and so are a whole lot more likely to see such people!
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I’m with Mitt. Economy is disgusting.
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Clearly the ‘better class’ of people can’t spell…
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On behalf of all tall people: if you’re a short person, travelling with other short people, with no particular special needs – please don’t ask for the exit row seats or other seats with extra leg room.
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Ok. As long as tall people ask for the seats in the back row of concerts and movies (because shorter people can’t see over you).
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being a short arse, I completely agree with this! I always get the giant sitting in front of me in the cinema. Even at the Angelina Ballerina concer that was full of little tackers, the tallest person in Melbourne sat directly in front of me!
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I would love to wear flats to concerts more often for this very reason but alas I am forever chained to my highest heels and sorest feet or to be checking out the butt of the giant in front of me rather than the bass guitarist on stage
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My husband will always scoot down in his seat (as much as legroom allows!) so that his head isn’t poking up too far), and we always go for the movie seats with no one directly behind us.
However, having to learn your head slightly to the side for a couple of hours in a movie is a bit different to being in constant pain for a 13 hour flight, in my opinion.
Can’t comment on concerts, because I very rarely go to them
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haha love it – I can’t see jack sh.it at concerts so I don’t go anymore!
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Err, is that meant to be an interpretation on my comment?
No, I don’t go to concerts because I’m uncomfortable being in crowded, noisy places.
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i love this retort!!
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There are exceptions to this. My father had to travel back to Ireland for his mother’s funeral last year and we arranged the exit row seat for him on each leg as he was still recovering from keyhole surgery on his knee and could not sit with it bent.
Despite these circumstances, there were still people who thought he shouldn’t have been sitting in the exit row (and rudely told him so)
Best solution is to be organised and select your seats early.
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Your father should not have been allowed to sit in the exit row when recovering from surgery – not because of his height, but because the safety requirement for that row is that the people sitting there need to be physically fit, capable of getting up fast, getting the door open fast, and getting out of there fast if there’s an emergency evacuation.
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Have some sympathy, anon. He was going to his mother’s FUNERAL. It’s not like it was a holiday that he could have rescheduled. And he couldn’t bend his knee. Where else should he have sat?? When there’s half a dozen other capable people in the exit row, I’m sure they can deal with the doors in the off-chance of an emergency.
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He may have been attending his mothers funeral but by having him in that exit row in an emergency there’s a pretty good chance he would delay the evacuation of that aircraft, where is the sympathy for the 10, 20, 30, 50 passengers that could still be stuck in that aircraft and lose thier lives because the person next to him was unconcious and he wasn’t fit to operate the exit or because he’s blocking to exit unable to move due to his leg? every second counts when there’s a fireball coming down the cabin… and there’s a reason there are minimum requirements for the amount of passengers seated in overwing exits.
You make a legal statement that you are willing and able to assist in an emergency when you are briefed at an overwing exit,
There’s other places he could have been seated, so really there’s no excuse.
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Sorry, no sympathy at all – bulk head seats have extra room, he could have requested to be seated there. An aircraft has to be able to be evacuated in under 90 seconds – I have no sympathy whatsoever for someone who has lied about being physically fit in order to sit in those seats and would endanger many people’s lives in an emergency.
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Oh, absolutely, it;s no excuse to be rude to people! I would never confront anyone over it – having had a kind of “invisible disability” myself, I try to be really, really careful not to make assumptions about anyone else’s state of health.
But when there are young, short, happy, healthy looking people in the exit row in front of us – yes, I will have a quiet grumble and even mention it online. But I absolutely wouldn’t glare at them, or say anything – rude or otherwise.
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I totally feel for the fact that your father attending his mothers funeral but unfortunately as someone else has mentioned, it’s a safety requirement. Why airlines don’t have a row of seats with more leg spare for people with disabilities etc is just silly. I had to fly from Kununurra to Darwin, Darwin to Brisbane then Brisbane to Ballina many years ago after a week in hospital following a serious car accident. My husband and I were seated then the stewardess came and asked us to swap seats with people in the row in front as apparently we were in an emergency exit row. I had 25 stitches in my head and a dislocated shoulder so I was uncomfortable already. I totally understand that there would have been no way I’d be of any help in an emergency, only a hindrance. Unfortunately I think it’s all to do with money, and how many rows they can cram in.
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Airlines don’t do it because they need to cram seats in to make money.
Why does everyone think flying should be cheap? It’s a plan – a metal object in the sky full of people – why do you think that should cost what a train ticket does?
Anyway – if you have special needs, pay for a business fare and have all the space you need. Asking an entire airline and other passengers to alter their way of doing things to accommodate you is ridiculous.
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Why not? You think just because we’re short we don’t want some extra space? It’s bad enough that us ‘little people’ get squashed on buses by people who think that sitting next to us is like Christmas – I mean, why would I want a decent bit of space – but if I want an exit row seat in order to wiggle my little stumps then I shall have one.
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OK, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one.
To me, it’s the same as standing for a sick/elderly/pregnant person on public transport – if I can manage perfectly well standing, then I would always give my seat up to someone who is in pain or discomfort from standing.
I’m short, and I can fit perfectly well in a normal plane seat (I have a good 10cm at least between my knees and the next seat) so I would always prefer to be in a normal seat, and leave the roomier seats to people who would be in pain without them – even if that did mean spending a long haul flight sitting apart from my family members.
It’s just part of ordinary courtesy and empathy to me, but obviously we’re all different (thank goodness!).
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Love this!! It’s amazing how many people check their manners in along with their luggage.
On a similar topic, I am a terrible flier. I get awful motion sickness, and because I know I am going to get it, worry about the flight for weeks. I’m not sure whether worrying about it is what’s making me sick, but it’s certainly not helping!
I am going on my first trip to the UK alone this year, and I was wondering if any readers had any suggestions to make the flight a bit easier?
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Hi China,
Here are my suggestions: check in early and get a side seat at the back so you only have one person next to you. Keep the overhead air flow on your face the whole time, the feeling of fresh air really helps if you get sick. Put a damp cloth on your forehead if you feel really sick. Wear comfy clothes, or change into comfy clothes onboard. Take a few little familiar snacks if you feel queazy. Don’t watch back to back movies – get up and walk every now and then to get your circulation going. Drink lots of water – you can refill with really cold water at the water fountains (put some hydralyte in the water too). And remember, turbulence is just like a boat going over choppy water – bouncy, but not dangerous! Focus on the wonderful things you’re going to do in London!
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Ask your doctor for an effective anti-nausea medication.
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I would definitely take some travel sickness pills. You can get them at any airport in lots of different strengths. I used to be the same and these have saved me many a flight with the sick bag poised on my knee.
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My sister gets terrible motion sickness, and as silly as it sounds she gets relief from sucking ice chips, it seems to calm her, it might just be a distraction thing but it works for her! She’s also found those pressure point bracelet things useful, she used that on a cruise and was fine.
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I’m an airsickness veteran, exactly the same thing used to happen with me. I would get myself worked up and convinced I was going to be sick, and then I would be.
Get some ginger tablets, and take them, and make sure you eat on the plane too. I know I used to not eat because I was scared of throwing it back up, but when I started eating the meals on planes the airsickness dropped dramatically. I still occasionally get sick, but nowhere near as often. If you sit there worrying about it and wondering when you’re going to feel sick, you will be. If you do everything else on the plane (watch movies, read if you can – I can’t), eat, you’ll probably find it helps.
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On a flight from SYD to JFK I’d taken an over the counter sleeping tablet. Needless to say it knocked me for a 6 and I came to a few hours later with wet socks. The lady next to me told me I went to the bathroom in my socks. Gross. Only 10 hours more in these who-knows-what soaked socks. Nasty. Btw I hate people who ask for bulkhead seats but aren’t over 6ft2 at least! My brother and friends are all 6ft 4 and above it really irks me to see some short but macho guy or pampered princess asking for that seat! I wish that was regulated!
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+1!
My husband is 2m tall. We once spent 13 hours in the row behind the exit row, which was populated by tiny ladies – who put their seats all the way back the moment they were entitled to. He was agony, completely jammed in.
Definitely a first world problem, but a painful one.
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i hate people who do that!!! i mean i respect that its your choice to recline your chair but when its all up in your lap its so annoying!!
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I didn’t think you could recline exit row seats.
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I think it’s the seats in front of the exit row that won’t recline – because that would then take up space used by people exiting, if that makes sense.
It’s years since I’ve flown so I can’t remember too well.
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Last time I sat in exit row seats you couldn’t recline them. Probably to ensure there’s a clear space for people to get through.
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I ask for these seats because I get claustrophobic on planes. I’m also tall
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We’ve request exit row seats for our flight to London in a few months. My sister and I are short but my husband is 6 foot 2 with long legs. He is paranoid that we won’t get an exit row seat!
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haha.. I read that as you went to the bathroom *in* your socks.
Could have been worse I guess.
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Ha ha -thanks for clearing that up !! That’s exactly what I thought she meant too – I did wonder why she’d admit to doing that and then stay in them all the way
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Haha, me too!
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I had my first international flying experience in march last year (Adelaide-Singapore-Delhi) we flew with Singapore Airlines and I ADORED every second of it. A good flight attendent can be the difference between loving life and wanting to throw yourself into the engine! Also, the Singapore airline flight attendent have the most lovely uniforms!
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Apparently they only come in one size and if the girls grow out of them, well too bad.
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They also aren’t allow to fly once they have kids. They have to become ground crew then.
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and we thought it was tough being an Australian woman newsreader
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I have always wondered if their boobs are padding sewn into the uniforms, because they all seem to have exactly the same boob size.
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Coke in bottles – are they insane? Why would you?
My son is 18 months and has only every had milk (breast, formula, cows) and water…
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i’m 24 and I can’t have coke after lunch time, it makes me giddy and jittery, I can not imagine what it must do to kids. Crazy!
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Wow, it’s really shocking! What is a terrible idea on the ground would be a nightmare in the air.
My two kids (one and two) are both prolific and very very well behaved fliers. The secret? NO DAMN SUGAR!! Low GI foods for. Couple of hours before we fly, and on board too, and as a result they are calm, cheerful, sleep easily, and play happily with the boatloads of quiet toys we bring. Also, we watch them like a hawk, interact with them constantly, and head off any disasters at the first sign of trouble. We’ve had nothing but compliments about their behaviour
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I LOVE parents like you
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Its nice to hear that people still compliment good behaviour in little children. Usually you only hear the complaints!
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People use the plane bathroom barefoot? I am horrified just thinking about it!
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Why wouldn’t you wear shoes to the toilet…that’s just gross to me!
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We took a long haul flight recently and the man across the aisle from me was hideous to the staff for the entire flight. During meal service he demanded a cup of hot water. Of course he was told he would have to wait until after they had served everyone dinner. He then began yelling that he always has a cup of hot water before his meal, he always flies with that particular airline and he should be looked after. He told the flight attendant looking after him that he would report him to the airline. He finally had his cup of hot water served by another flight attendant while he was in the loo…the flight attendant winked at me and took it away! He then wanted hot milk with his breakfast and did the same thing. The whole thing was made even more awful because we were on cheap tickets at the back of economy and he wanted VIP service. The staff were amazing. For some reason one of my children missed out on a kids meal and the flight attendant bought him a selection of Business and First class meals to choose from because she didnt think a child would like the economy meal options. Such a beautiful lady.
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I can’t understand how people lose their manners when it comes to flying. Like when they try pushing & shoving to get on the plane – its like, you have a ticket, you’ve checked in, the planes not going to leave without you! Or when the lands & everyone takes their seatbelt off and grabs stuff out of the over head locker – love it when the fight attendant yells at them to sit back down & leave their seatbelt on hahaha sucked in! But what irritates me the most is when people sitting behind you and further back along the plane get up & don’t let you out of your seat. Pure rudeness, it’s not like their going to lock you on the plane! We’re all in just as much a hurry to get off as you! You’ll only get as far as the baggage carousel loser! I’m one for manners you probs can tell…
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I think peoples true colours shine when its time to get off. The most annoying are the people who nearly knock everyone over to get out of their seats and off the plane first and then stand with their massive carry-on bag hitting you in the head while you sit there patiently.
And the people who wont let a family out of their seats together are plain rude. Waiting to let a parent out of their seats with their children isnt going to make any difference once you hit the baggage carousel or taxi queue.
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I was going to say the same thing; it’s always made me laugh because you see the same people at the baggage carousel waiting for their luggage to come out; it takes a while for the baggage handlers to get all your luggage off a plane people! You aren’t going to get home any faster by trying to break your neck to get off the plane as soon as they open the doors (unless you only have carry on that is).
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I’ve been working as a ground staff for 6 years and it never ceases to amaze me how usually rational people turn into rude and inconsiderate arseholes as soon as they step into the airport.
Here are some tips from the ground crew’s perspective:
NEVER fly on the same day as a wedding, funeral, party or ANYTHING important. Murphy’s law your flight will be cancelled. Without fail half of the aircraft feel compelled to tell us they we have ruined your day as a result of a cancellation. People should be thankful we have such strict safety and engineering procedures in Australia. That is why we have such a low crash rate.
Do not be surprised if you turn up with a bag packed over your baggage allowance and get charged with excess fees. It’s clearly in the terms and conditions and if people actually read these instead of lying and acknowledge that they have they would be prepared when they arrive to check in or reduce the weight of the bag.
UNDERSTAND that flights get cancelled and delayed ALL the time with EVERY airline for many different reasons. We have people come up to us and tell us when our flight is delayed that they usually fly with another airline that is never delayed. Please be realistic here people! We’re all affected by weather and engineering issues no matter which company.
Here’s one to support the comments about crew not assisting with hand luggage. IT IS AGAINT OUR OH&S to lift ANY bag. Don’t ask us to do it. You may think you’re the only one asking us but we may serve about 600 people a day. If we’re continually lifting bags we risk strain and muscle injuries. Those staff who have helped have found out the hard way.
Don’t scream or act rude to the airline staff. We are there to help you but if you are rude and irrational we will help you the least we can. Good behaviour and being polite will go a long way and actually help YOU. Would you wanna go out of your way for an arsehole?
Travelling on an aircraft is not like travelling on a bus where you can just ‘jump on’ . Don’t expect to be able to check in for your flight once it’s closed and get angry at the staff when you’re told you can’t. You need to be checked in by a certain time so special paperwork can be finalised for the captain. This paperwork also give the captain the weight and balance of the aircraft for take off and landing. Once this is done it is VERY unlikely you will have any chance of being accepted onto the flight. For those of you that have web checked and arrive late to check your bags, you will also be refused. Bags take 15-20 minutes to go through screening process, which will delay the flight.
Do not turn up drunk and expect to be cleared to fly. You will be removed.
Don’t get angry at other guests because they have done something they are entitled to do. Such as recline their seats. It may frustrate you but they are ALLOWED to do this. We have had flights divert and guests arrested on arrival for fighting over things as stupid as this.
Remember, if a guest is screaming at crew it’s usually the guest who looks silly. I can gaurantee that 20 other passengers will come over to the crew member and sympathise with them ‘what a rude arsehole’ the other guest was. What people don’t realise is that seasoned ground staff actually find confrontations like this funny. When passengers are going nuts at us we are secretly wetting ourselves on the inside:)
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On a flight home from either Dubai or London last year (can’t remember which leg of the trip it was), our plane was delayed because of one passenger.
This guy got on the plane after everyone was seated and then wanted his carry-on bag to go in the locker directly over his seat.
The lockers were all full and the flight attendant found him a space further down the plane but he wasn’t happy about it, and made a big show of taking out the bags that were already stored above his seat and swapping them with his. The family who had placed their bags there were fortunately very patient and let him do it – I think they just wanted the plane to get going.
Of course, this guy was the first one to jump up out of his seat when the plane landed and was still creeping towards the terminal, and rushed towards the front of the plane only to have to stand there and wait just like everyone else as business class and passengers ahead of him disembarked.
We saw him waiting at the baggage carousel too when we got there, so all his huffing and puffing was for nothing.
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what a freak
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I’m a stander-at-first-opportunity – not because I’m impatient, but because damnit, after 8 hours on a plane I enjoy stretching my legs, and if we have to wait, may as well wait standing up.
Judge not lest ye be judged!
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I’ll still often just sit and wait until the crowds die down, and it comes from us doing that on planes when we were travelling when we were kids. Mum especially would just get us to wait until everyone else was off before we went.
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I’ve had a few experiences with fellow passengers. Partly because I roll up with three children, so I automatically get the glares. Bugger you, it’s four hours, during the day. If my kids make noise, suck it up (I should note they are pretty good, but won’t be quiet on a night flight so I don’t take them).
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I flew to Germany last year with my two girls aged 4 and 8. When boarding not one other passenger would even make eye contact with me. You could see them thinking “Please God, don’t make them sit near me. Please let them keep walking down the aisle. Please. Please. Please.”
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That sucks! I love being sat near kids, cos they talk to you and you can play with them.
I met a cool 7 year old on a cross-America flight last year and had a great chat with her and her mum. When she heard I was from Australia the first words out of her mouth were ‘do you have penguins where you live?’. Gorgeous. I also met a 2 year old on a train journey between Nice and Paris a few years ago. We chatted and she asked me to read her a story book. Also got to meet her dad who seemed grateful that a crazy Aussie tourist was keeping his little one entertained.
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I should also have said that at the end of every leg at least one fellow passenger (if not more than one) stopped me to tell me how fantastic my girls were during the flight. I can’t tell you how proud that made me, especially as I was freaking terrified of flying for 24 hours with 2 kids!
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You never know your luck with kids. (and adults).
We flew 3 hours to our holiday destination last year with our 4 and 2 year old girls. Our 4 year old is real social butterfly. She had the passengers around us enthralled with tales (some of which I would have preferred she didn’t mention!) and as we all go off the plane, passengers and crew were waving bye bye and everyone called the girls by name. I think they provided in-flight entertainment for everyone.
On the flipside, a flight we had about 8 months earlier, saw my little one suffer sore ears and she howled during the landing. I was so stressed!!
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Flying in Italy with children we were treated like royalty!
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Seeing kids over the age of 3 boarding the same plane as me doesn’t bother me in the slightest. It’s when I see toddlers and babies under the age of 2 that I am wary. 1 – 2 year olds are still figuring out how to react to discipline and under 1 you can’t tell them to stop crying or punish them or reason with them, they’re just babies. I don’t fault the parents if the baby is crying but that doesn’t make it any more fun for me! I was once seated beside a lady with a 6 month old and was very wary (although fortunately it was only a 2 hour flight). Bub slept the whole way and didn’t make a peep. What a champ.
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I love this article and relate to this as I used to be a flight attendant for Emirates. Once I was asked by a passenger if he can order Pizza Hut for dinner (what the ?) ,Another time I was accused of being racist as I didn’t serve an Indian passenger pre dinner drink (he was sleeping and I didn’t want to wake him up), another one is a man who insist on doing the prayer on the aisle of the aeroplane as we taxi down the runway..Parents who lets their 3 kids run amok up and down the plane during the whole flight …
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I try and fly with Virgin Australia when i go overseas as the staff seem to be always lovely and relaxed as most are Aussies! Aussie staff seem more patient and friendly!
I had to fly very quickly to LA for my friend who was in a car accident and had to fly on United while i had hurt my back a few days before! My carry on bag was not big but felt a little bit heavier to me cos my back was so sore! When i was trying to sit, The flight attendant was staring at me and i asked her if she could help me lift my bag into the over head compartment cos i had hurt my back…she said “i’m sorry ma’am, i cant help with your bag as i may hurt myself”
WHAT THE FUCK ARE U THERE FOR????? Isnt her job to help with bags and seating? a nice Aussie man standing behind me called her an idiot and said dont worry luv i will help u! and he jumped up to help me every time i needed something from my bag! The same flight i couldn’t sleep well obviously due to the pain and the loud obnoxious idiot sitting behind me snored so loud the entire flight. I was able to get into a light slumber in the morning and was drifting off when the snoring man decide it was time for me to wake up and shook the crap out of my chair telling me it was time to raise my chair and wake up! It hurt my back sooo much i coudlnt do anything but cry and the nice girl and guy sitting next to me jumped up and told the guy did he realise how much pain i was in and that he just made it worse….he said oh well she should be awake now, the guy said NO ONE COULD SLEEP BECAUSE YOU SNORED ALL NIGHT SO SHUT UP AND LET US ALL REST!
The only helpful people this day were Aussies.
I am a pretty quiet and easy passenger, i make sure i have snacks for my child and dont give him sugar and make sure he behaves and i dont constantly ask the staff for a million things and always have a chat with them and try and be as pleasant as possible!
Sometimes the staff are just assholes….i am sure the painful passengers outweigh the painful staff in most cases, but not all of us are pains on flights!
and how come we cant call you Hosties? thats just as Aussie as meat pies!!
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I will continue to be a well behaved passenger, just as long as airline staff promise to not be horrible to passengers as well! lets work together to make the flight alright
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i’m a flight attendant with an Australian airline. We do upto four sectors a day or long lengthy flights. if your bag is too heavy PUT IT UNDER THE CARGO. It is YOUR bag my dear and if we were to help everyone with their 10kg bags, yes we would have one hell of a sore back. I have a few friends on workers comp at the moment due to just doing a nice gesture for a pax and helping with a heavy bag. Want to know what we are there for? To save your ass when the plane is on fire, when there is an emergency landing, or even when you decide you need CPR during the flight. FA’s are only human and we do have bad days just like you, most of us love our job but it doesn’t help when passengers decide to chuck their brains in with their suitcases.
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but the bag was not heavy…just a bit heavy for me cos i hurt my back a few days before…it was maybe 5kg….i would never go over the carry on weight limit! She was really rude to me and i sat there watching her stare everyone down as they put their bags in to the over head! She was American and when ever i fly with Aussie’s they go above and beyond to help!
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i just asked is she could help me lift it cos i had hurt my back…i was going to help as well..as i was trying to lift it my back was spasming and i was holding up the people behind me! i dont rally see how this is a big deal for a flight attendant to assist me with it? even if its “not their job” surely as a human being she could see how much pain i was in and maybe help!
Anyway….i try really hard to be a good passenger i know i do! and i m just saying that there are some really unpleasant flight attendant out there too!
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I feel your pain. My sister had hurt her back and had the same problem. She asked a male flight attendant if he could help her put the bag up. You know what he said…. “Honey they don’t pay me enough to do things like that” with a smug grin and then walked off. She was so shocked. Like you, a guy came up and said “don’t worry, i’ll help you”
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If the flight attendant had a sore back, she had a sore back! If anyone could understand that it should be you. Give her a break. It doesn’t hurt to ask someone else to help you. And it def doesn’t mean you need to be racist about it. I’ve had very nice American people help me, and also had very rude Aussie attendants. (As well as some lovely ones of course!).
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I’m pretty sure dealing with your hand luggage is only a tiny part of their job, and I’m sure OH&S requirements require that flight attendants don’t lift bags they think are too heavy for themselves to lift. Plus who knows, maybe the OH&S requirements on that airline stipulates no lifting above a certain level. I know a lot of workplaces say you’re not allowed to lift something over the level of your face regardless of how much it weighs.
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The problem is, if lifting bags is not part of a flight attendant’s normal duties, they will not be covered by worker’s compensation if they sustain an injury. Depending on the severity of the injury, they might not be able to get medical clearance to work again afterwards. It could end their career.
The weight of your bag is irrelevent – you can sustain a back injury while lifting any weight. In fact, lifting any load (even a light bag) overhead in a confined space is a very high risk activity for the lumbar spine, especially if it is repetitive (i.e several flights per sector all with lifting involved). I commend flight attendents who are willing to look after themselves and stand up for their rights in the workplace, it’s a difficult thing to do with so many passangers willing to verbally abuse them just for following procedure.
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There are few other places on the planet where you will see ‘mature’ adults turn into obnoxious children so quickly as in airport and on planes.
We had a very similar list of cruise ship passengers and the bizarre questions they ask.
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Oh Alicia! Would love to hear those
We have a list being a travel agent as well!
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That’s hilarious because I am now a Travel Agent
I’ll never forget the woman who asked “do the crew live on board?” and after my and her husbands sarcastic reply, seriously thought we were flown in each morning!
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“Do the flight attendants fly the planes?”
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How about those people that think it is their right to unbuckle and get up AS SOON as the plane hits the tarmac. Despite the ‘remain seated etc’ announcements, they just have to start getting their bags out of the overhead while wacking you in the face and leaning all over you!
Those people should me made to clean the toilets at the end of the flight lol
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Those are the same people who turn their iPhones on the second the plane stops taxiing, despite clear instructions to leave them off until you’re inside the terminal. Some people just can’t wait for anything. :\
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It would be easier to stay hydrated on a long flight if water did not come in miniscule plastic containers or the paper cups near the water dispenser were larger! (I know they are small so that they are easily stored!)
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I am a life long vegetarian, not just at 30,000 ft to annoy you.
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I don’t think they meant you – there are people I know who are only veg when they fly!
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I am a vegetarian when I fly because the meat options taste like crud. Improve them, and I’ll be happy to revert..
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Me too!! Now I’m going to feel bad ordering my vegetarian meal on my next 18 hour flight!
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“I don’t think they meant you – there are people I know who are only veg when they fly!”
How can you tell who is ordering the veg meal for real and who is just ‘being annoying’? Now I just feel bad!
I am a ‘real’ vegetarian and trust me, I don’t feel ‘special’ getting my meal half an hour before everyone else – I feel embarrassed and awkward because everyone stares at me. I’m acutely aware of the smell coming from my meal whilst everyone else waits for theirs and I never want to start eating, so I just pick at the rolls and fruit until everyone else’s meals arrive. Plus, you don’t get served a drink until everyone else does and I hate eating without a drink!
Not complaining about that, just pointing out that it’s usually a pain for us ‘special people’ too.
That said, on an 18 hour flight to the US, the airline had mucked up my booking and didn’t have me down as vegetarian (I requested it at the time of booking and rang up 48 hours before my flight to double-check). The flight attendants were lovely – they went and got me TWO business class meals for dinner as they had rice paper rolls and dolmades and kept giving me lots of bread rolls! For other meals, like the the breakfast meal, there happened to be a vegie option anyway (French toast, from memory), and they kept making sure I was served first so that I didn’t miss out. They were lovely and helpful because I didn’t kick off about the situation, I just meekly pointed it out when they asked ‘Chicken or fish’?! Another lady who obviously didn’t like her vegie meal and was demanding something else instead, they were not so nice to…
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My Mum’s vego, and she said she was seriously considering just sucking it up and having a regular choice because she felt so awkward getting the special vego meal served first.
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I am more than a vegetarian (phenylketonuria) and I HATE being served so long before everyone else! I hate having to sit there with my tray in front of me waiting waiting waiting for them to come and take them away. Usually by then I am busting to go to the loo but can’t because the people next to me are eating and I’m trapped. But I have no choice because my condition requires a life-saving medical diet. Sigh.
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A couple of years ago my hubby and I were on a qantas flight from syd to hong hong. We were behaving as most normal people do (saying our pleases and thanks you’s, smiling etc nothing super awesome) and a flight attendant actually came over and asked us if we were qantas employees. We told her no we weren’t but were intrigued to know what made her ask us this. She replied casually “oh you 2 are just so polite and easy I assumed you were crew on holidays”. As I said earlier, we weren’t doing anything magical, just the simple stuff your mum teaches you when you’re 4! It made me realize that they must see a lot of jerks while they’re working. So to Flight Attendants everywhere, thanks for the smile when you probably feel like smacking someone in the mouth
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That boggles my mind! Manners people, use them!
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I laughed at #8. I always ask for an upgrade and live in hope. Hasn’t happened…. yet!
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My husband was once offered an upgrade at check-in and I wasnt. I was still travelling under my maiden name so I guess it was an easy mistake, but to his credit, they couldnt upgrade both of us so he declined!
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Wow what a keeper!
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My brother flies a number of times each year but with different airlines most times – he is upgraded on 1 in 3 flights – jealous…..
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Lucy if you want a shot at getting an upgrade you need to dress like you can afford it
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I sat next to a pilot once who explained the laws of upgrades to me. First in is the frequent fliers, that’s platinum first then gold, silver then bronze. Club members slot in there too, depending on how frequently they fly. Rarely once going through these passengers will there be a seat available, and if there is show up to the airport super early. You usually need to be a single traveler. It’s very rare than a non frequent frequent flyer will get an upgrade so your best bet is to pick an airline and get the card. Dressing seems to have very little to do with it. Sometimes having a title on your ticket, DR or Prof etc, can help, depending on the airline.
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Yep upgrades are pretty much for FFs only, particularly in Australia. When I was a platinum FF I was offered an upgrade on perhaps every second flight?
Many years ago as a rather grungy backpacker I was upgraded on a KLM flight because I praised the check-in girl’s necklace! I thought it was so luxurious – drank my body weight in champagne and stole all the unclaimed toiletries packs!
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When I finish my degree, I want to put Dr as my title for everything! I’m just worried I’d do it on a plane, and then a medical emergency would occur and they’d see my title on the passenger list….I’d only be useful if they have some emergency literature that needs analysing
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A friend of mine was once upgraded! She was backpacking and exhausted, and she said the man checking her in seemed so excited when he did it – he announced it to her as if it was a prize on a game show (can’t remember exactly but something like “blah blah blah, and… yooooooooou’re UPGRADED TO BUSINESS CLASS!”) And she said she squealed and jumped up and down and said something silly along the lines of “Oh My Gosh, I’ve heard of this happening to other people but I never thought it would happen to me!!” – TOTALLY out of character for her! It must be such a perk telling people they’ve been upgraded!
HOLD OUT HOPE LUCY!
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this made me laugh out loud!!
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Lucy…Don’t give up hope! On my very first time on a plane my WHOLE family was upgraded to business (I was 4 years old and there were four of us-Mum, Dad and 2 kids). My Mum always asks and several times after that we have been upgraded as a family to business on long haul flights.
Mind you as an adult now I’m too scared to do it, but just goes to show it’s worth a shot.
What’s the worst they can do-say no?
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OMG, I’m going to be travelling to America on my first overseas holiday in 3 months, and I am going to be option 11 – the person so chilled on valium to get over the scary plane drops over the pacific!
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I’m going on my first overseas trip, to America as well, in July! Just a bit freaking out lol
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Just some advise for those of you going to America..not sure if this applies on all American airlines (I flew United) but even if you & your travel buddy have booked flight tickets at the same time, when you check in you will NOT be seated next to each other. You will either need to:
1. Pay around US$25 to seat next to each other,
2. Wait till you board and ask the FA to find you seats together or
3. Ask another flyer to move.
Yeah I didn’t know this until I got to America.
Oh and checked baggage is NOT included in your ticket price..that’s another USD 25.00 per bag when you check in thanks.
And don’t smile or make small talk with the customs people..they will think you are hiding something. Unfortunately I am being serious. (LA & Arizona are the worst).
* I’m talking about inter-America flights not Australia to America.
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Having just returned from the USA – JetBlue and Southwest currently don’t charge for baggage on internal flights. Full details of baggage charges can be found here – http://www.airfarewatchdog.com/blog/3801089/airline-baggage-fees-chart-updated/
We flew Delta, US Airways and Southwest and didn’t have to pay additional fees to be seated together. Delta lets you book your seats when you book your tickets. Southwest is a lottery, they don’t allocate you a seat they allocate you a place on the line for boarding the plane, you then can choose your seat when you get on the plane. Depending on your place in the line will depend on how good a seat you get
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I tend to have a nervous habit of smiling and chatting with customs, and have at LA many times, no problems as yet. But generally they want to move you quickly along so they won’t raise concerns unless you don’t answer consistently and confidently to their questions.
Have a great time in USA!!
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Few more things to add worth knowing
The liquids <100 mL rule applies to internal US flights too. Fortunately Americans are rubbish at the metric system so while they say no liquids more than 3 fl.oz. (88 mL), I got through with my contact lens solution at 120 mL. This was taken off me at Heathrow on a different flight.
You'll have to take your shoes off at every security gate so don't wear anything with laces.
Don't wear a hoodie, if you do you'll need to go through the body scanner thingo which is incredibly intrusive i think.
Don't talk to the security people, be polite but chit chat makes them more likely to bomb search you.
Most airports have free wifi, so even if you don't plan on using your iphone for calls, it's awesome to use in the airport when you're lost or bored.
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A great book that’s a funny look into the life of airline workers – ‘Air Babylon’ – it’s written by Imogen Edwards-Jones and ‘Anonymous’ – someone who has been in this position for a very long time! Quite hilarious! I found it after reading ‘Hotel Babylon’ and after having worked in hotels for quite a few years I know that it’s all true and all happens!
Read it if you want to have a laugh!
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I went on a uni trip recently and was SO embarrassed when my co-student was rude to the flight attendant – they were pouring green tea for passengers and she asked for coffee, then took ages to come back – I assume she was still busy serving other passengers? Uh, I felt so awkward and the student would NOT shut up about it.
On a side note, I feel pretty weird about #6. I mean really? You expect vegetarians to eat meat just to make your job easier? How do you know that the person eating a vego meal isn’t vegetarian? I thought that one was pretty ridiculous.
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She wrote that because many people order vegetarian meals despite not actually be a vegetarian just to get their meals first. I don’t believe she meant that Vegos should eat meat!
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That point was labelled “People who are only vegetarians at 30,000ft”. I think she was talking about those who choose to be vegetarians on a plane just so they get their meals first.
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auscrawl – I think she means that people ‘fake’ vegetarianism to get their meals first – I have seen that done many times !!
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Please don’t get me wrong May, I never meant to deny the people who had genuine special meal needs. Many people have religious, medical and ethical reasons why they can’t have a standard meal. I was going to clarify, and perhaps should have, that regularly people would ask for the beef bourguignon instead because they didn’t like the look of their vegetarian curry for example. That gets frustrating when it happens over and over……
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I often like the look of the kids meals, can I pretend to be a child next time?
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The hosties often fight over the left over kids meals…..:)
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I order vegetarian meals and I’m not a commited vegetarian… I just don’t like meat a whole lot. I definitely don’t do it just so I can get served first and wouldn’t then ask for the meat option just because I don’t like the look of the vegetarian one! (I can totally see how this would be annoying for you!)
Honestly I don’t feel bad about it- I’ve done enough flying to know that I’m not going to eat the meat they give me so why shouldn’t I order the vegetarian option?
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“I was going to clarify, and perhaps should have, that regularly people would ask for the beef bourguignon instead because they didn’t like the look of their vegetarian curry for example.”
Oh. That makes more sense – that would drive me insane too.
That’s sort of what I was referring to in my post above – my vegie meal was missed off on an 18 hour flight but I was nice about, so the flight attendants were really helpful (getting me business class veg meals and serving me first). They were not so nice to the lady further down the row who didn’t like the look of her vegie meal and was loudly demanding something else and couldn’t comprehend that there were no ‘spare’ meals. What an idiot. As it is all, in the end, aeroplane food, I accept that sometimes my food will be decent and sometimes it will be a rubber ‘omelette’ filled with baby diarrhoea (true story).
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Number 6 explicitly says “People who are ONLY VEGETARIANS AT 30,000ft.” ONLY. Not people who are vegetarians in normal day-to-day life.
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But what everyone’s asking how would they KNOW? What – the ‘real’ vegs have better skin tone or something????
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They know because they then see the other meals and say “Oh don’t worry about the vego meal, I’ll just have the beef/chicken”. Seen it happen a lot.
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I hate the ppl who nag the flight attendants for drinks and things when ppl’s bums have barely hit the seats.
I remember thinking as a kid it was a glamourous job, now I would hate to do their job. Trying to look perfectly made up and presented whilst being in those shoes waiting on demanding ppl and endless temp accomodation or hotels blah. Being in hotels during postings over 16 yrs took the novelty out of hotels and feeling homeless.
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I think she meant people who are *only* vegetarian when they are on a plane. Much like cheese burger with no pickles to make sure the staff have to freshly make a burger at macdonalds…
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I was flying home from Paris last year. Got on the plane only to discover a woman was sitting in my seat. So I say hey I think your in my seat. She doesn’t speak English. Fantastic. Grap fantastic air hostess trying to seat 38,000 other passengers and ask her to move the lady or find me another seat. Lady launches into a tirade about not wanting to sit in the middle seat and not wanting to be seperated from her friend. To bad lady. I actually got to the airport way early and asked for an aisle seat. The air hostess FINALLY got the lady to move but she spent the next 8 hours asking me how to use the entertainment system and climbing over me to get to the toilet. It was THE WORST! First time and nervous flyers should have their own section way up the back of the plane and leave the rest of us to watch Mary Poppins and sleep in peace.
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I love the act of flying, and that we managed to invent it (magic!) but I hate actually doing it. Mainly because of people. People at airports and on planes act like Queensland drivers in wet weather: they completely lose their shit and don’t know how to act like they normally would.
I say that with love, because I am a Queenslander and a terrible driver.
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BAHAHAHAHAHA……Best comment ever Rick!
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Im a completely nervous flyer and my first trip was to england. The whole time this lady sitting next to me told me her life story Im not exaggerating her WHOLE life. I even tried to doze off but the sound of her voice woke me up .. she just wouldn’t stop! no wonder i hate planes.
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That’s why I try not to talk to the people around me until we land.
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On our flight over to the States I was stuck in the middle with my husband on one side and some man on the other, husband stuck his head phones in straight away and started reading, I realised I had left mine in the suitcase and had my ear chewed off by the guy next to me about his life story growing up in Alaska…it was interesting for a minute but after that…
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I am shocked, disturbed, and outraged that anyone would think it okay to put coke in a bottle or give coke to infants! What the hell is wrong with people!
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I give my kids coke. Helps with their air sickness – I do not know why, helps me too. Only a half can between four of us though.
The 3yo will get a sip because otherwise she screams, and then I get the dirty looks…
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Really? Coke helps with their air-sickness?? My kids both get travel sickness and on a recent trip to America they vomitted on the plane and every morning in our hire car for the 1st week. It was lovely
I’m so trying a drink of coke for each of them next time we travel.
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Fizzy drinks help nausea. It’s like how doctors tell you to drink lemonade when you have gastro.
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Lemonade works too, anything that’s not diet. When they were smaller I would give them soda water and juice.
Now they get Coke because it’s a treat and makes the flight fun. Also Coke is the same taste everywhere.
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Yes, agree. I dislike Coke on a general basis but oddly when I have an upset tummy or feel nauseated, I feel myself ‘needing it’ and it helps. Very odd.
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A little sip of coke does help with nausea for me too. Maybe its the sugar?
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Yep, fizzy stuff will help you burp and feel less nauseous
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Not sugar, just the fizziness. Soda water will have the same effect.
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This is so well timed. I’m going on my first long haul flight in years on Friday. I’ll keep an eye out for crazy passengers and make sure I wear shoes to the bathroom.
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I’m guilty of just going in my socks, but never again now, ewww!!
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Yep me too – and now ewwwwww… i think i will have to take slippers on flights tho cause i take my shoes off at ever opportunity! And putting them back on mid flight is a pain!
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Oops! I’m always a vegetarian at 30,000ft! I’m not a massive meat eater at the best of times and the vegetarian meal is usually edible
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As an ex hostie- i agree with all of those!
We used to say that passengers checked in their brains with their luggage… you see and hear some dumbfounding things!
I would love to add my own but cannot think of any at the moment…
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I was on an overnight flight from Singapore and I was seated next to 2 kids around age 7 and 9 with no parent. Mum and Dad sat together up the front of the plane, nowhere near the kids. Fortunately they were good kids, but still there’s no way I would be leaving my kids with someone else while I sat in peace and quiet by myself (though I would like to!)
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I’ve had similar experience but a domestic flight, and they were obnoxious brats, annoying everyone else whilst their parents had peace 10 rows forward. what a nerve!
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I have three kids who have flown since a week old and have checked in many times with the me and my husband seated in row 10, Thomas in 15, Hamish in 20 and Mia in 25. As a travel agent we enter a family together and add the kids ages, for some unknown reason the airline then decides the family up. I have to say after much protesting, the worst we’ve done is have to seat Thomas in another row, after all who wants to sit next to my kids (lovely as they are!), I also think it’s a safety issue airlines need to look at.
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When our family of 4 have to sit seperately each parent sits with one of the children. I thought that would be obvious?
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Sorry Bee, should of been clearer. I travel with the kids alone 90% of the time, and apart from me not wanting my kids disrupting a strangers flight, in an emergency I want my kids sitting next to me, all three of them! Obviously if my husband is traveling too I don’t mind being separated into two groups. But the big question is who wants to sit next to an unsupervised 5 year old, and who wants their 5 year old sitting for hours next to someone they don’t know!
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We have 4 children, fly often with a variety of airlines and have never had a problem sitting together. If its 3×3 seating it works 1 adult 2 kids. The worst combo is in 747′s because its 2,4,2. Last time my husband had the hell flight and sat with 3 kids and I had one on my own!
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I think thats appalling. Clearly they see their kids are other peoples problem!
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when i was young my parents would fly in business class and me and my brother and sister would be put in economy. i was the youngest probably around 5 and then siblings are 9 and 11.
they would check on us from time to time but we would all just sit together. that was before the individual tv screens as well!
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This made me giggle. I am definitely number five, sorry. And a little of eight. As a claustrophobic who also suffers a fear of heights being on a plane is my worst nightmare. Yet I love to travel. Oops. The aisle seat makes me feel less anxious, though I have never yelled or argued when a flight attendant has said there’s no aisle seats to move to.
My favourite and also least favourite is seven. Favourite because it’s like watching someone play Tetris, with three other people also vying for the spots. Least favourite because these same people often elbow or knee you a lot in their quest to make everything fit. They also will damage or remove your carry-on for theirs. Grrr….
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Yes I get anxious when flying too..and this doesn’t seem to have been addressed. Lots and lots of people are scared of flying for a variety of reasons: after public speaking, it’s the #1 fear. It’s hard to be Miss Manners and remember your P’s & Q’s when you’re quietly freaking out and can barely speak. Some of us are not consciously trying to make a FA’s job difficult..we’re just trying to cope! Personally, when I fly I turn from a cheerful, easy-going gal into a crazy bag lady, cuddling my water bottle while I assume the fetal position. And I know heaps of other women who fly the same way. So have a heart!
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Brilliant! Recognise many of these from my trip to Europe last year. I don’t understand why people think because they are in the air that some of that behaviour is any more acceptable!!