
(Photo credit: Berlei Curves)
By LUCY ORMONDE
The average Australian woman is a size 16.
But you wouldn’t know that if you walked into shopping retail giant Zara.
US media is reporting that of the 1700 Zara stores around the world, every single one is “ignoring” the larger sizes and also the larger market.
Zara has been accused of missing out on potentially huge profits by not stocking clothes for plus-size women. Their stores, along with most Australian retailers are overwhelmingly filled with Barbie-shaped mannequins and racks of clothes that stop at size 12.
Earlier this year, a report has found clothes targeted only to women size 8-14 are doing retailers no favours. The Choice Consumer report suggested retailers are missing out on profits because they only sell clothes that fit a limited number of women.
The demand is there, but the sizes are not.
Choice says an increasing number of females say they’re forced to shop online or at chain stores because they can’t fit the stylish clothes sold in shopping malls or high street stores.
Retailers who say they are struggling should consider expanding their range to fit the growing number of women who wear size 16 and above, Choice spokeswoman Ingrid Just says.
“What we’re essentially identifying is that there is a whole market out there that many designers and retailers aren’t necessarily tapping into,” Ms Just said.
The report also found that women’s fashion ranges come “crashing to a halt” at size 14 and that where larger items are available, they’re coming at a price – sometimes retailing for double the amount of similar items in smaller sizes.
Could these be the same retailers who are crying poor because everyone’s shopping with online?
If so, why aren’t designers and retailers tapping into the MAJORITY of the market and making a profit? Anyone?
Choice suggests that some retailers shun plus sizes because they only want their brands associated with slim people. Call it fashion snobbery. In the same way the vast majority of fashion retailers advertise their brands using extremely tall, size 8 (Photoshopped) models, this same principle is echoed by the racks in-store; the labels are controlling who wears their clothes by excluding plus-sizes from their range.
Plus-size fashion designer Megan Moir Pardy said she started her fashion label, Damn You Alexis, because of the lack of labels catering to plus sizes.
She said there’s three reasons Australian labels are ignoring plus size women.
1. The cost and fear of changing patterns to suit a curvier figure. The grading between sizes 6 and 12 is quite uniform but when you get up to sizes 16 to 24 women put on weight in vastly different ways and the pattern needs to be adjusted to make the garment work.
2. The stigma attached to a plus size clothing. The cooler, edgier labels have a reputation that the customer wants to buy into. Plus sizes aren’t part of that.
3. They simply don’t think plus size women want fashionable clothes. There is a mentality that if you really wanted to wear fashion, you would lose weight.
And she said the Choice’s spokeswoman was voicing an opinion “plus women have been shouting about for years! There is a huge market out there for labels willing to embrace it. In a challenged retail market I’m really surprised more Australian labels aren’t increasing their size range to include plus.”

Tara Lynn and Crystal Renn on the cover of The Times magazine (Photoshopped image)
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335 Comments so far
I went into Zara when it first opened at Chadstone. Meh. Not really for me. I felt they catered more to teenagers/young women (I’m 41.)
I wish more buyers from these stores (Just Jeans and Portmans I’m looking at you) would go into their factory outlet shops and take a look at the stock on their racks. Yes, they’re all size 8′s. Isn’t that telling them something? STOP making so many size 8′s and MORE size 14′s and you could be getting bigger profits! Doesn’t that make sense? Why does this NOT happen???
I personally love Sussan. They cater up to size 18 (I think). Their clothes are for real women who have tummies and bums. Country Road does 14′s but I find their clothes too clingy.
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Oh no, not the old “real women” argument again. So women with flat stomachs and small bums are unreal then? I really wish “real women” would retire and no one ever said it again.
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Totally agree.
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Oh gosh, me too.
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Hi Anonymous
I’m sorry my comment caused you offence. I’m 41 and don’t know many women my age who would be a size 10. They might have hips/tummy issues that a shop like Sussan caters for. I was saying that I thought Zara was more for teenagers/20 year old women, not that they aren’t ‘real women’.
Geez, you have to be careful what you say these days.
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Sorry Petal but I can’t stand when people say “real women” and we should all just stop saying it. It’s so silly, if we’re women then we’re real women regardless of our size.
I’m surprised you don’t know many women your age who are a size 10. Where did this notion come from that ageing = getting fat. I certainly know a lot of women in their 40s and 50s who would be a size 10 and I thought this was normal.
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Sussan go to a 16, an 18 in some of their linen. they’ve also started doing 11 and 13 in denim for those in between sizes.. i love sussan too!
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Sussans fit model is a mum with a D cup bust. Chosen because she is the target market. I would say that portmans is a younger target market.
Also, all clothing is ordered in ratio packs, and size 8′s already make up a smaller portion of ordering to reflect sales. Has been happening for years. Soon though we might see one size 8 ordered for every 10 size 16′s. Personally I don’t think that’s healthy.
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I think people are forgetting that not only is Zara a European brand, but it’s clothes are manufactured in Europe too, not China like most other clothes companies. Anyone who has been to Europe will find that everything is smaller there; cars, houses, food portions, as are the people. I’m pretty sure the company is not out to purposely offend anyone over a size 12.
There are plenty of companies that cater to small sizes only, I don’t understand why Zara per se has been attacked here? I was in Kookai recently, they only have 2 sizes available! I’m a size 8-10 and nothing fit me!
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Well, if we expect our immigrants to assimilate to our culture, why not clothing retailers to our sizes?!
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Australia has no standard sizing system.
There aren’t any laws in place for women’s sizing to be uniform. Grading even varies from company to company. Just the sizing here has problems I could go on about it but really that’s getting off topic.
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While they’re at it….can they make some more size 12 and mediums. They seem to sell out that size first.
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At the start of 2012 I had saved a decent amount to make over my wardrobe. My small home town is very limited in the fashion shops so I went to Brisbane to spend my money. I was so dissappointed when I went from shop to shop and could find nothing over a 12. They missed out on my money.
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Aren’t we ignoring the elephant in the room (pun completely intended) if we say that Zara’s sizing policy is the problem, not the obesity epidemic?
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Ok Size 10, what if all us fatties finally overcame all our hangups about our bodies, and any mental issues we may have, or any medication we may take may suddenly not keep us fat. What if everything was perfect, and we all lost weight, what would we do in between us going from a size 22 to a size 10? Do we not deserve to have nice clothes? Should we stay in a muu muu until we are a “respectable size”?
Really, comments like this aren’t helpful. And elephants are beautiful creatures so your pun backfired.
Pull your head in.
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Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for bringing up this very valid point. It’s not the retailers that have a problem, it’s the fact that over 50% of Australian adults are overweight. It’s not the fashion stores that should be looking to change.
Health is wealth!
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Michelle Bridges is that you???
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Without entering any other part of this discussion, Michelle Bridges’ has an exercise clothing line in Big W that goes up to a size 24 or 26. She says it’s her mission to give women clothing to wear at any size. Her label is called “one” meaning that everyONE should have access to good looking clothes. Not arguing with anything else you said, but I wanted to say this on Michelle’s behalf.
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I have two of the tops from her range, and have been complimented on and asked about them a few times. They’re great!
I don’t understand the MB hate and bashing either. Why do people resent her so much? She’s straight down the line and has made money out of getting people fit and healthy. Why is she a problem? Are people so scathing about personal trainers locally? Because they don’t tell you to do any different to what Michelle Bridges, or Shannan Ponton, or Jillian Michaels, or The Commando or Tiffiny Hall would say. Drop calories and do more. What is the problem with that?
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She’s made a public career out of being shouty (no idea what she’s like with her private clients), and a lot of people don’t like that. My own PT is firm but not shouty, & I get a lot done in our sessions (which aren’t often enough, but that’s another story).
Also, MB isn’t a nutritionist & I think she oversteps the boundaries of her expertise with some of her comments about nutrition.
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Are you a nutritionist to claim she’s overstepping what she says? What do you have a problem with that she has said about nutrition?
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Sometimes it’s very one-size-fits-all advice (excuse the pun). I caught part of Can Of Worms the other week, when it was MB & Adam Richard (& I forget who else), & she seemed to be missing Adam’s point about why it has been easier and/or cheaper for a lot of people to default to unhealthy food.
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That’s it? Really? You saw a bit of part of a show and don’t like her because of that?
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Hey, you were the one who asked the question. I’m not a ‘hater’ – I was just suggesting some reasons why people might not like her.
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I think it’s more that she’s upfront and honest and says what people don’t want to hear rather than being “shouty”.
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I was thinking of TBL episodes when I said ‘shouty’, but that might be the producers more than what she’s genuinely like. It seems to be a TBL standard, judging by what I’ve seen of the US version – shouty (brunette) female trainer; soothing, supportive (darke blonde) male trainer.
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Like, I know right? Fatties should go around naked until they learn to be skinny. That’ll learn ‘em to fit into the sizes that retailers are willing to sell to consumers, regardless of the demographic or demand! Lolz!
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That ought to keep the chubby chasers happy!
(Are we still allowed to say that??)
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Size 10, thank you for being the voice of reason. Talk about an elephant in the room, yeah let’s just pretend retailers are the ones with the problem here. It’s not the retailers who need to change.
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Because everything is just as simple as “put down the fork fatty and exercise”.
I can guarantee you that majority of overweight people aren’t overweight for the single reason of them being lazy, there is an underlying issue whether it’s physical or mental. That shit needs to be dealt with FIRST so that the “eat better and exercise” can work.
Stop being so narrow minded.
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@iamevilcupcake – I am finding your responses to people to be very rude and aggressive. And your comments don’t seem to be directly related to the comments; seems you have an agenda to push and you’re not interested in a reasonable discussion. To borrow a phrase from you, perhaps it’s time to ‘pull your head in’?
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Perhaps she’s tired of being called lazy by the majority of commenters on here today? It’s certainly the overall inference.
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I replied to this last night, and it’s either been lost or moderated. My guess is moderated. Which is disappointing.
What you are saying Lou is that people like me are to just sit there and take the abuse. Being likened to an elephant, insulted in public, it’s all ok because we are fat.
Well it’s not ok. I have a right as a human to stand up for myself.
And you seem to be missing the point. The article is about clothing, not obesity, put people seem to think it’s completely ok to have a go and pick on fat people.
Even fat people deserve to wear clothes. As I said below, what’s the alternative? Being naked all the time? I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t appreciate that.
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Geez, Cupcake, talk about hypersensitive. No-one abused anyone or likened fat people to elephants. Have you never heard the saying “it’s the elephant in the room”?
Maybe you are just so defensive because you’ve run out of excuses for your weight and know it. I can understand that everyone needs clothes and it is nice to be able to buy nice clothes, but the increasing weight of general population is still an issue whether you like it or not and people are entitled to discuss it. You can’t stop people having an opinion.
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Lucinda, yes, I have heard of the saying “it’s the elephant in the room”, and I don’t have a problem with the saying. What I do have a problem with is it being followed up with “pun completely intended”. So yes, someone did liken fat people to elephants.
I’m defensive because no one has the right to call anyone names, regardsless of whether it’s about weight, size, religion, disability, culture.
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You go girl
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I have a friend (in Adeliade) whose boutique only stocks sizes 12-22, she is doing so well, she stocks stylish clothes, lots of different price points & has a strong following.
I am a 12 bottom but 16 top so I just dont bother with chain stores, I just dont find the clothes that interesting & I dont think you can be really stylish just buying of the same rack as everyone else.
& I find Zara so dull that even if everything did fit me I still wouldnt bother.
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Where is your friends store? I am looking for new places to for plus sizes. What would be good is some consistency in sizing. I can be 3 different sizes depending on the label. Myer has definately gotten better with the clothing range.
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Where in Adelaide is her shop please?
Thanks
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Isn’t that discriminating against sizes under 12 though? I don’t get it.
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It’s called Who I Choose To Be, it’s on Cross Rds, Clarence Gardens, close to Marion Rd, I love it & spend wayyyy to much $$$ there!
Anon, I assume your being funny?
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Like Zara discriminating against sizes 16 and over? Do you get it now?
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Witchery is now doing size 16. Sussans does 16 also.
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Dear people saying if you aren’t happy lose weight.
Firstly, bite me. Bite me on my fat rump. You people need to realise that weight isn’t just a matter of laziness. Stop generalising, it’s not helping.
Second, fat people need to wear clothes too. Why the hell shouldn’t we have nice clothes? What’s our alternative? Go naked? I’m sure you’ll all love that!
Seriously people, this is a discussion about clothing, not about losing weight. Not only are people not the same weight, size, but they are different shapes, as some people have mentioned below. And even people who are considered “normal” are having issues.
So really, you want to tell us to lose weight? Pull your head in. This article is not about that.
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You go girl – so well put! 100 ‘likes’
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A little bit in love with you right now… (also, now I feel like a cupcake…)
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Goodness me, give it a rest. ‘You people need to….” “pull your head in”. if you expect tolerance and understanding, you might want to reconsider the rudeness.
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So it’s alright for others to be rude to me, but I just have to sit there and take it? I can’t defend myself?
Instead of this being an article about clothing, it’s become a fat bash. How is that ok?
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I hardly think Zara needs any advice on how to run a business. It’s one of the highest grossing fashion retailer in the world and the owner is the 3rd richest person in the world. They’re obviously doing something right! I just don’t think there’s a large enough market for plus size clothing in Europe, their sizing is always on the smaller side. Like many people have said below, I always find the smallest sizes sell out first, but maybe that’s just where I shop. I also hate how so many Aussie retailers use vanity sizing. I buy so much online now, it’s so much cheaper, quality is excellent and I can get petites!! And just because size 16 is ‘average’ does not make it healthy or acceptable, I think our attitude towards accepting an overweight average needs to change.
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So well said.
There is always going to be more people for than against this type of article, based on the fact that over 60% of Aussie adults are over weight, so of course they will defend themselves and cry for fat rights :/
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Umm I honestly dont think Zara is that bad. My best friend and I are both size 14 – 16 and went into Zara in Sydney recently. She came out with a beautiful tailored jacket in size XL and I, an amazing slimming 50′s style dress in size L. We both have double d chests and generous sized middles and we found several items to fit our bodies. If you’re gonna have a go at any store for incorrect sizing it’s more likely to be Portmans or Cue in my opinion. I don’t even fit the 18 at Portmans but I fit Large or 14 at Zara.
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I agree, I find their sizing to be quite generous
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Depending on the store I can be anywhere from a size 10 to a size 14. I generally find the cheaper stores have more accurate sizing (where I am about a size 12).
What would be great for all shoppers would be some form of standard sizing!!
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I am a size 10, small to medium at most places, and all purchases from Zara have been a large. Crazy sizing.
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I am about a 16 on top, 18 on the bottom – can NOT find pants to fit me, either huge in the legs and fit the waist, or great in legs and dont fit waist – so i always wear skirts and dresses. Like ALWAYS, i dont own pants. I’m not trying to advertise for anyone here, but i find the plus sizes at Myer can be really good – expensive as people note – but some of the brands like estelle, seem to have making a fuller figure look stylish and flattered down pat. If they can do it, other’s can too!
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Hi Violet, If it’s just the waist gap, and not how you feel you look in pants – a good tailor could be your best friend. I have a lovely one in Sydney CBD, and depending on the fabric – it might only be $20 to take the waist in.
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Thankyou! I always thought that would be such an expensive option! I will try it. I love pants just literally cant find any that fit me.
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Same here, I don’t wear pants either, the make me look like a balloon
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The online companies who are actually are catering to a plus size market (ASOS, Gap, Dorothy Perkins, Forever 21) by providing on-trend, fashionable clothes in bigger sizes are reaping the rewards.
The rest of them are obviously too blind to see a great business opportunity.
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The economic reality is that we live in Australia with a population of 22 million. The global economies of scale of garment manufacture and retail just don’t work to get more variety and choice injected in to the Australian market.
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I know lots of people don’t like shopping online – because you can’t try it on first. And because of our population size, we don’t have the return options that somewhere like the USA does (free, free freeee) . But I have found most international sites pretty good with their sizing descriptions and customer clothing reviews. I would say I buy almost 100% of my clothing online now – and have done for quite a few years. Some things require alteration – but with my bust/waist/hip ratio I would have to do this where ever I bought clothes from. My lovely size 10 sister often says – lets go shopping! And I don’t have the heart to say no, so we go, and she walks around horrified at my options…..It doesn’t bother me anymore – because I’ve found a happy alternative and shop in the US and UK online. If ever anything is wildly inappropriate for me, I just sell it online, and always get my money back. Happy to provide my plus size online retailers list if anyone wants it
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I’d like to know your list please!
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Me too please
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I have posted list again above – as it hasn’t come through on this comment thread yet.
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If you posted links, they sometimes hit the spam filter.
Marks & Spencer UK has a good selection of sizes & fits (i.e. short/long length etc).
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Size 16 the average Australian size??? I must have been living under a rock because that does not seem to be the case over here in Perth. I would guess the average size would be about a 12 to 14 max.
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Pretty sure an article not too long ago said it was 12. Would like to know who they are surveying.
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I get surprised when I see this too. I know we obviously have a lot of overweight people but I look at all my friends, relatives, women I work with and the vast majority of them would be a size 10-12 so it doesn’t make sense.
If the average size is really a 16 then that’s quite concerning.
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You need to remember though that average doesn’t mean most common. It means the average of all the sizes – from 6 or 4 or whatever they take as the smallest size to 26 or whatever it is at the other end of the spectrum. I’m a 16 and there are often no clothes that would fit me left, but there are usually the smallest sizes and the biggest sizes left and nothing in between. So I see lots of 6 and 8s, and then lots of 18s and 20s and not much in the middle (in stuff that covers those sizes, obviously).
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It’s also possible that we don’t have a standard image of what 16 looks like, because height can make it vary. A tall 16 might have a similar build to a short 10. 16 isn’t really that big on a tall woman.
You also have to consider that larger sizes may be more common in certain socio-economic groups and consequently may be more heavily represented in some communities outside of the major cities.
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Yes, height rarely gets mentioned. I saw in another story here that mentioned Beth Ditto recently that she apparently weighs in at 90ish kg. Which is the same as me – but I’m about 20cm taller, which makes it a vastly different proposition. So a 16 on me is very different to someone who is 150cm tall!
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I live in Perth. I just wish we had a Zara.
But their sizes are teeny tiny. I bought a black blazer when I was in London and it was an XL. I am a size 10
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If Zara wants to only make certain size clothes, let them. They are not a charity or a social organisation, they are a private business whose goal is to make a profit.
If they have decided that the best way for them to make a profit is only to make certain size clothes, that is their perogative. Your shopping site obviously feels that you can make a profit out of providing larger sizes and good on you.
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I’m not sure if anyone else has experienced this, but every time I go into a shop in the Sydney CBD where I work or Bondi Junction where I live, it seems like all that is available at the stores I go to are racks of size 14/16, and no smaller sizes are left.
For example, I wanted a white lace top from Witchery and they had 4 size 14s and 4 size 16s left, but no other sizes. Similarly, when I went to have a look at the Roberto Cavalli for Target range only 2 days after it came out, there was nothing smaller than a 12 and racks and racks of 16s.
I wonder if this is common around the country, and if so, perhaps that is why Zara and other shops don’t want to make the larger sizes? It could simply be a question of economics.
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Trust me, if you have a size 16 bust you do not want to wear a white lace top!!
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Why not? I’m a size 10 around my waist but as big as a 14 around my bust (usually a 12 but I’ve had to resort to 14s in the past, though rarely) and I don’t see a problem with wearing a white lace top… :S
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Over the years I’ve had awful experiences shopping for clothes – depending on my fluctuating weight………(it’s affected by health usually).
The heat & humidity also drives what I look for.
It’s really, really hard to track down clothing that’s made from COTTON and my favourite material CHEESECLOTH – the only fabric that behaves itself in humidity.
The “My Size” label had me excited for a few minutes and I actually bought some stuff online…….their designs are interesting sometimes but are often totally spoilt by the ghastly synthetic fabric
I’ve spent hours searching for a simple, large, light-weight cotton T-Shirt in what I call “Stained Glass Window” colours, with a round neck.
Why is it that “Large Lady” shops mostly stock “American Fat-arse Aqua” and “Sickly Lemon” and that PINK that screams at you when you enter the store ???
As a red-head (mostly by choice…) the colours I search for are dark – purple, blue, russet, scarlett, grey, green and my favourite, olive green……..but what has happened to all of the GREEN fabrics ?…..I can stand in the doorway of most stores and tell at a glance that “my colours” are not there.
I thought grimly that the defence depts had procured most of the green dye for their combat stuff – just a conspiracy theory…
And why are large bosoms usually decked out in V-necks ?…….This awful trend was surely thought up by someone with a “mother fixation”…. it has to be the most unflattering, ageing, matronly look ever.
Much of my clothing over the years has come from “Indian Shops”, markets and stores like “Tree of Life”……….Why ?…………because they’re interesting and I love the romantic Pre – Raphaelite sensibility.
I think a lot of women do themselves a real disservice ……..they stop wearing “Girlfriend Hair & Girlfriend clothing.”
Now, I don’t mean the skimpy juvenile fashions that really would look silly on mature, curvy women………I just mean the sort of clothing that has a “first date” look about it.
Plump women are dismissed as irrelevant often by crappy designers who hide their lack of talent and imagination behind outfits that only work on a hanger or worn by a 16yr old model with a miserable looking “moosh”.
End of rant (sort of) ……….
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Totally with you on the colours – they’re my colours of choice too, and there is nothing in the shops at the moment like them. Anywhere.
V-Necks on big boobs are the most flattering though – followed by a scoop neck. I will always get a V-neck top by preference. Anything with a high neck on big boobs just gives you a mammoth mono-boob. You need to break it up a bit.
I’m in the middle of everything at the moment – I don’t fit into Plus size, but I’m often out of range for regular sizes, AND I don’t want to wear stuff from Millers Fashion Club but I also don’t want to wear stuff from Supre either! I don’t buy many clothes, unless it’s plain stuff from Target, pretty much.
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Ahh, Supre. I have a love/hate thing going on with that shop. They have really affordable basics and I buy most of my basics from there (got a few tops and a skirt last week) but some of their clothing boggles my mind and I have to ask, “Who decided THAT would look good?!”
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Wait, wait, wait… how are v-necks UN-flattering for large busts?? I love wearing v-necks, they’re probably the only positive thing about my 10Fs: fantastic cleavage. Do you perhaps mean turtle-necks?
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Caz, You forgot ‘menopause mauve’, Miller’s standard big girl colour
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I also loathe v necks, and collarless shirts. And the colours fuschia, hot pink, aqua and such. And why do plus sized shops sell WHITE PANTS? yuck
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Wherever I shop *anywhere* it is always the size 12 that vanishes first off racks before any other size. Is that not the most popular size for over 21s?
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I’d like to put it out there that sizing isn’t the main problem for me it’s lack of different shape.
All clothes seemed to be designed for large hipped, thin legged, small breasted model shapes.
As a woman with a small waisted, big breasted and junk in the trunk figure I cannot wear anything that is in a non-stretchy fabric and tightly cut.
Coats never close over my boobs, the shoulders are too narrow (rowing shoulders!). I mainly wear skirts with tight waists and flowy skirts as my legs are wider than my hips which NOTHING tight caters for. I only own stretchy tops try finding a shirt which doesn’t gape across my chest, it’s impossible.
Jeans west has been my saviour with their curve embracer range which does not equal plus size, but differently shaped, with a larger bum and smaller waist.
No matter what my weight has been over the years the size I need will not fit everywhere, leading to gaping waists, too tight around the thighs, cutting off my breathing in the chest etc. The worst offender for boobs is Peter Alexander he only caters for A cup which is frankly ridiculous, couldn’t he do different styles with different chest proportions?
To people who say just lose weight, I am trying, I exercise frequently and have completely overhauled my diet. This will not solve my problem though, as I will just need smaller sizes that still don’t fit.
Shape matters as I’m sure many women tall, short, big breasted, flat chested etc can attest. We need variety in designing not just plus sizes which are far too big for many women who are still within a size 10-14 but can’t find shapes that fit them. Also, bigger size clothes should be modelled on existing trends but altered to fit the increased distribution of weight, which does not happen evenly from head to toe, but on the breasts, hips and stomach in different proportions. I sometimes think fashion designers have never studied any kind of anatomy they just size up a size 8 which is useless for the majority of the population.
Rant over, but it is very frustrating as I love shopping and have far more money to spend than the 13 year old most clothes seemed to be designed for.
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I have the JeansWest curve embracers too. They’re brilliant!
And you’re completely correct about losing weight too – no matter what weight I am, very few shirts/jackets do up over my boobs and fit my hips. It’s why I loathe shopping, and why I tend to buy a couple of things that DO fit, then wear them to death.
I’ve found wrap tops and dresses to be good, because you have control over how they sit, because you tighten them up.
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Oh I totally get where you are coming from. I can never get a “fitted” button up shirt because of my boobs. I have to go 2sizes bigger to get it to not gape and then the rest just hangs like a tent. Very unflattering.
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Not sympathetic at all. Clothes are easy to take in at the hip and waist. Consider the opposite scenario where the hips are the big bit. If you can get a top that is big enough around the hips it hangs large at the shoulders. To make it fit you have to unpick the whole thing and recut the shoulders and sleeves. You can’t just let out the top at the hips because there isn’t any extra fabric.
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Oh that’s why we buy clothes… to redesign. Silly me all these years I thought it was the other way round.
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It wasn’t that long ago that women either made their own clothes or had clothes made just for them.
These days we expect hundreds of designs in the one store, all at low prices, then bitch because the clothes aren’t made to fit our bodies like a glove.
The women I know who’s clothes always look good have them altered. It isn’t Zara’s job to cater for all the quirks of different body shapes. Unless they produce every design in a hundred different measurements (one section for ‘small shoulders, big boobs, small waist but bit of a tummy, narrow hips and big thighs’ another for ‘broad shoulders, flat chest, saddlebags, skinny legs and big calves’ etc. etc.) most people are never going to find a truly perfect fit. If you need that learn to sew or hire someone who can. If you want the convenience and low prices chain stores provide, get over the fact that they didn’t use your body as the template for all their designs.
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Kate you made me smile! I completely agree with you! I’m short and know I look horrendous in maxi dresses- kind of like a stunted gnome. I don’t bitch and moan that when maxi’s are in fashion the industry isn’t thinking of me!
Sorry if you’re size 16- that’s not a huge percentage of Zara’s target market… Get over it and shop elsewhere!!
Why doesn’t Zara stock those sizes? Because Zara is designed to counteract waste. They produce only as much as they need. Producing lots of size 16+ clothing will not mesh with their economic intentions.
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I’m sorry you’re not feeling sympathetic today.
I think it would be nice to be able to buy for our respective shapes without resorting to home alterations on a regular basis. Besides, we’re not all handy with a needle & thread.
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I hear you on the Curvy issues. No matter if I am an 8 or as currently a 12 I am curvy like JLo. I have found that you need to find the labels that work for you and in Australia they are few and far between. The best place for women like us is the US that cater to Latino and African American figures – their clothes and the shapes rock!
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You pick your size. And then your boob size. From ‘curvy’ to ‘super dooper curvy’. (4 size options of added boob room) Godsend for shirts, blazers ect. Whatever an ample bosom doesn’t fit normally! Pretty affordable too!
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Pepperberryclothing.com
Makes clothes for voluptuous bosoms! You pick your clothes size & your boob size. From a bit bigger than average to superdooper well endowed. Wonderful for work shirts & blazers
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Zara can cater to whoever they like, it not a crime. Maybe there is a gap in the market for a store to cater for trendy larger sizes. I really don’t think the average size is 16.
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… I would rather be plus size than shop at Zara.
Zara is appalling and so overrated. The clothes are ‘on trend’ but poorer quality than Kmart. Not to mention the “service”…
Such hype over nothing.
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Really? I love Zara I think their clothes are great and definitely not poor quality!
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Well you mustn’t be shopping in the Bourke Street store then !
I could stitch ‘em better myself and I can’t sew for figs.
They are deliberately made to last for just as long as they are on trend – i.e. two to three months, just about when they are ready to turf out because neon is no longer ‘in’.
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The stuff I’ve bought so far in Australia has been pretty bad – I got some coloured jeans that have completely stretched out :’( and the stitching isn’t great either – it’s coming loose, all in less than a month. Whereas the stuff I have bought in Europe has survived months and months of wear
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It’s fashion. And sorry but fashion doesn’t want to associate with size 16 or above.
Size 16 should not be the average anyway. So I don’t think we should be upping sizes to cater for the growing Australian waistlines.
Lose weight or continue shopping at Katies.
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You really must narrow minded to have the attitude that if you are a size 16 or above it is because you are just fat and need to lose weight. Some people are larger due to medical conditions not just from stuffing their faces with food.
I am a size 14 – 16 with a very large bust. In the space if 5 months I have lost neat 15 kilos but yet I still can’t buy fashion tops that fit over my bust. I just don’t seem to lose size from there. Also all the larger size stores seem to have an obsession with gastly patterns and colours.
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Hi,
I do know that some people have health problems and that is why they are overweight. Of course I know that. But you must be naive to think that majority of overweight people do so due to health reasons. Most just eat to much and don’t exercise enough.
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So… Those people who are larger because of medical reasons must still dress unfashionably because most fat people are unhealthy and therefore do not deserve nicer clothes…?
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Well that’s a sad problem. My point is fashion companies aren’t going to produce plus size clothing purely so minorities can dress fashionably. I know it sounds harsh but it isn’t economical. There are fashionable plus size clothing labels anyway so just shop their instead of trying to squeeze into non plus sized labels.
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But they’re not the minority anymore…
The way I see it, this article isn’t about Zara, which is used merely as a topical example, but rather the lack of choice available for a growing demographic (boom tish. That was unintentional, btw). It’s also not about health. It’s about the options available, or rather NOT available, to a particular demographic which is fast becoming the ‘norm’.
It does not matter if anyone think this size should be normal or not, what matters is that they exist, they would like to dress well, and that they would like options.
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Sorry but just because someone is a size 14-16 does not mean they need to lose weight. I have huge boobs that need a 16 or Xl to fit them in. Please don’t be so narrow minded.
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Sorry but size 16 is too big. Australia is the most obese nation in the world. Why not combat the problem rather than upping sizes so they feel “normal sized” it is not a normal size.
If your boobs are really big that you wear size 16 to fit them in then that’s a different story. But unfortunately you’re a minority and fashion companies like Zara which is specifically designed to avoid waste isn’t going to produce loads of clothes just to fit minorities with huge busts.
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My Mum wears 10-12 pants and I think the same in tops, and is nowhere near overweight, but she recently got fitted for a bra is in a 16 something or other. My boobs don’t get smaller than a 16D either, overweight or not. My ribs don’t shrink and my shoulders don’t get narrower, so I’m not sure what I’m supposed to do about that!
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If your mom can wear a size 10-12 top without it straining across the upper ribcage,she shouldn’t be wearing a size 16 band. I’ve found most bra fitters in Australia get the cup size right, but dramatically overestimate the required band size.
It may just be your wording, but you know that the number in bra sizings has nothing to do with the size of your boobs. If you gain or lose weight and the size of your boobs remains the same, it’s likely you’ll still need to go up or down a size eg. 14DD to 12DD. Even a little weight lost or gained makes a big difference when it comes to band size.
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I don’t know, I’ve been all sorts of sizes in bras in the one fitting session – literally went from 14D to 18J depending on the brand and style! The brand and style she likes is a 16D. It’s not strange for that to happen, based on my and others experience.
As I mentioned – my ribs and shoulders (ie – skeleton!) don’t get skinnier or fatter. My weight is all tummy-hips-bum. A broad back and shoulders is not fat.
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Same problem – no matter what my weight, my lovely lady lumps do not change. I’m size 10/12 now, but a few years ago I was all of 48kg (through stress, not through trying), and I was still a 12DD around the bust while a 6/8 everywhere else.
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At 178cm tall and a large frame (as in my bones!) I was told I was too thin and needed to put weight back on when I got down to size 12. So I’m presuming you need a stool to reach the top of your pantry if you think all size 16 people are obese?
I personally don’t care if Zara stocks clothes for me or not. It does irritate me that there are so many more options for smaller sizes. I have much more disposable income to spend on clothes now than when I was 14 years old so it seems a little ridiculous that there are more ways for teenagers to spend their money on clothes than fully grown women with incomes.
I get sick of buying the same old Big W/Target etc clothes but I refuse to go into some of the plus size only stores which either have ridiculous prices or clothes suitable for playing bingo in.
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Carmen, thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking. These stores are quite fashion forward and they obviously don’t want to make clothes for overweight women and that’s their right, which I totally understand. Fashion is superficial, it’s all about looking nice. Why do you think high end designers only ever present their clothes on thin models?
They are obviously not losing that much money if they are refusing to tap into this market. And no, I don’t think that normalising large sizes is going to do anything to help the obesity problem we have in this country.
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Interesting though because when I used to work in retail, when a brand DID stock above a size 14/16 they never sold! We always stocked the larger sizes so it wasn’t like it was only a few random brands but every time we re-merched our stocks we would be throwing most of the 14+ sizes into the sale bin.
I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be available but that’s just what I noticed in retail.
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That is so true.
Where are people going who are 14/16+? I’m assuming kmart or target? And also why is that compared to retailers like Just Jeans or even somewhere like Cue? Is a price issue? I just wonder out of interest.
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My opinion? Many women at size 14/16 are unhappy with their weight (due to various influences) and probably don’t want to spend too much money on clothes which (hopefully) will be too big for them after their current diet has worked. I have heard this expressed time and again by friends.
My solution to this dilemma? I sew my own “nice” clothes & I make the seams easy to take in
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That’s great. Sewing is such a great alternative for buying stuff, plus no one else will have the exact same stuff as you.
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I don’t think this is true – I think people who can’t find what they want here – just shop online.
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I reckon this could be true. It is for me. I’ve been a size 14 for a bit longer than I would like, and in that time have barely bought any new clothes. Just keep wearing whatever fits me for the moment. My (optimistic) plan is to buy lots of new stuff when I get my weight down some to where I want it to be! Wish me luck!
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Personally (straight size 16), I occasionally go to Target for tshirts and jumpers, Big W for cargos and shorts, Sportscraft for shirts, Diana Ferrari/David Lawrence for work dresses and tops, Tokito (Myer) for pants and suits, Leona (Myer) for dresses. Leona is a new discovery for me
The rest I sew myself, usually from the German brand Burda as they suit a more, frankly, chubby shape and cater well for boobs and butts.
My local Cue never has 14/16s in stock of stuff I would wear. Unfortunate as I do love their styles. Been to Zara once, never again. Don’t like the styles in Witchery, Brown Sugar or Jacqui E, so they are out.
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Just in case you haven’t, try on the sizes in Cue. I’m a size 10 but I fit into their size 6 for most things and occasionally go up to an 8. Veronika Maine is the same as they are sister stores.
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I’ve tried, on the rare occasion they have them in. (Canberra city store) I have no waist to speak of, (didn’t even when I was a size 8) and their dress shaping seems to nip in more than is comfortable on me. As much a shape issue as size.
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Cue’s sizing is very strange! Im a size 6-8 and their ‘size 6′ absolutley swims on me. I know im on the smaller side of things but im certainly not the thinnest female going around. So annoying because I LOVE their clothes.
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Size 16 is the national average for women and their clothing is always more expensive? Hmm, not according to my local Target store. Whenever I hunt through the sales racks, all the items are either size 8 or size 14+. And at really good prices too. Size 10 – my size – is practically always gone. So no sale items for me, I always have to pay full price. Just sayin’.
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I know there will be people whining about this. I can understand, even if I’m not plus size. But when you talk about stats, the average is 16- what age bracket are they in? I would take an educated guess and say it would be older than their target market. Sure anyone can buy Zara, but if they have a target market of 20 – 30 in womenswear and target a certain range of sizes, then that’s actually totally up to them as a company.
As a recent fashion design graduate, I can tell you that on a tertiary level we are only taught to grade from a size 6 – 14. After that grading sizes becomes more complex, not many people are actually taught how to do it. Unless you have been trained by a company that makes plus size clothing. So you can understand part of the reason few people touch that area, it’s a shame because it would be interesting to understand.
Also having a larger range of sizes, say up to 24 or 28 then add in the quantity of manufacture would be a HUGE cost. Zara is in large quantities as it is, something like that would add a lot of pressure. Chances are their retail price would increase- excess freight and plus size fit models etc.
Whenever I have been to Zara or say for example Cue- all the leftover sizes from sales are 14s and 16s. So it is likely the plus size market just isn’t buying at those types of stores. Yet you complain about nothing stylish in a 14 or 16. A lot of stores now actually go up to a size 16. You just have to shop around. I would think the average size would be a 12 to be honest, but that just my opinion.
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Zara – not only do they not stock plus size clothes, they hardly ever stock just a plain old M size.
Seriously, I wanted to try on a pair of pants in there a few weeks ago. I’m a size 10-12. There were 7 pairs of these pants on the rack and every one of them was size XS. What’s the point of that?!
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I agree. I am tall (5’11”) and a very usual size 12top 14 pants 34b bra. Pople ae always telling me I am slim or even skinny but a Zara Large top is too tight andthe XL pants are barely decent.
It all reminds me (but in the opposite way) of the old “Country Road 12″ joke!
And I’m not going to even get started on sleeves and skirt length- all I want is something that comes within cooee ofyees for the office.
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I’m not sure this sentiment should be aimed at a particular store, but more at the market. Perhaps new players need to fill the hole, or those who already have a more broad hold of the market need to expand. I can’t shop at Katies or Sussan’s because their clothes are too big, but I don’t expect that they will fill that void, because that isn’t their market. I expect that void is (hopefully) covered by someone else.
My husband was a 3XL before we left for the US, and couldn’t fit any of the fashionable clothes he liked over here: Abercrombie, Aeropostale, et al. While I was busy protesting on his behalf, he calmly said, “It makes sense. Their image is such that they don’t want fat people to be advertising their label.” Ouch! (On a side note, no point intended, he decided to do something about it, and today bought his first pair of 38 jeans in a decade, and I had to put his XXL Abercrombie jumper in the dryer to shrink it because it was too big. So proud of him!)
Australian sizing is too restricted to middle ground in general. Try dressing professionally (on a teacher’s wage) if you are a size 6-8. You can only shop in the ‘young adult’ sections of most stores (ripped jeans and neon, anyone?) Here in the US I have bought so many well-fitting blazers and smart pants to take home, simply because they make them to fit everyone, small, large, short and tall! Pants in most stores go down to a 00 (Aust 2-4ish) and up to a 14 (Aust 18). And I have never had to shorten any pants, because you can actually buy them in varying leg lengths! Clothing range will be one thing I will miss from here.
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Agree! I went to the USA almost exactly two years ago. I spent about $2000 on clothes (ouch!) but have hardly bought a single item of clothing since then! I could find everything i needed. It’s now coming to the time where i need to re-stock… hmmm!
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I’m a size 14, sometimes a 16 in pants. Yes, I could lose weight but the point is that I want to buy clothes, I have money to buy clothes but am constantly frustrated by the lack of choice.This season KMart have coloured jeans but the sizing is weird. I couldn’t get a pair to fit right. I also shop at Sussan but their sizes are also odd so that my size often looks frumpy. I don’t want to look conservative. Sportscraft sell out their 12-16 sizes first.There is little consistancy.Jag jeans are a great fit for me. I know this is a ramble but it is really frustrating.
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I’m a size 10-12 and I can tell you that the coloured jeans in Kmart were ridiculous for me as well as for my size 6-8 sister. It’s not just the bigger sizes those jeans were a problem for.
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I’m so glad you posted this! Those Kmart coloured jeans were ridiculous. I’m the same size as your sister and I couldn’t find one size to fit. Even resorted to trying on colours I didn’t want just to see if that would make a difference. Kmart ended up slashing the prices at our store at least and there was still a huge selection of sizes and colours left. I’d be really curious to know if anyone of any size managed to find a pair that suited them because I felt like at the time I was on an episode of Punk’d.
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Definitely JAG jeans are great. I’m a 14-16 and have found these to be one of the best pairs of jeans I’ve ever owned for fit,
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are you more of a pear or apple shape? I’m an apple and desperately looking for dark denim jeans in a 12-14. I have lighter denim and coloured jeans (Ziggy, Zara, Country Road) but for some reason I can’t find any darker denim ones that fit – I know the washes cause the fabric to change.
I have tried everything – gone through Myer & DJs (so from Calvin Klein, Tommy Hilfiger to Lee, Levis, Bettina Liano…) as well as Jeans west/Just jeans type stores and even Kmart. I haven’t been to General Pants because they are generally quite attentive and I would be so embarrassed if the largest size didn’t fit!
Can anyone help????
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Topshop!!!
I ONLY buy jeans from Topshop online now. The problem will be (unless you’re in Melbourne) trying them on but I find they just fit so well, and you can return by postage. Take your measurements first and check them on the site and you should be ok.
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target have great jeans, they wear well, come in different lengths and styles and are cheap – i bought some dark denim ones recently for $20 and they are perfect – but try them on as i bought two pairs – both the same size and they vary greatly!
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Thank you! We do have topshop in sydney now, but haven’t even been in yet because it’s been so hyped!
And Target is a good idea – very budget friendly.
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Target’s actually where I ended up buying 3 pairs of coloured jeans after my Kmart fail. And although I got stung by this by not paying attention, they offered them in different lengths which is great! I really hope this is a trend that catches on with more Australian retailers because it’s something I definitely miss shopping here.
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perhaps Trinny & Susannah would say I am a cello? Try the Jag they are good and a nice dark blue denim this season.
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The Kmart jeans are just cheap and that’s why the sizing is all crazy.
I’m normally a 10 or 12 depending on the brand. In the Kmart jeans I tried on 2 different colours. the first colour a 12 wouldn’t even get over my thighs and a 14 was falling half way down my butt. The next colour I tried on a 10, 12 and a 14 and all fit exactly the same except the 14 had shorter legs (bonus for me as a shorty!)
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If you know anything about Zara, you will know that they mass market produce their products. Why would you produce clothes at larger sizes when the majority of countries that you operate in do not have a large enough population that is plus-sized? Whilst the average woman in Australia/UK/USA might be on the larger side, the average woman in the world is not (yet)! I would prefer that they stick to the sizing that they have now or pass on any increased costs to the plus-sized consumers if they do decide to go down this route. Or create a whole new plus-sized collection that reflects the costs associated to catering to this niche group.
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Come on, Beth Ditto is fat. There’s no other way of describing her.
There’s a big difference between a size 16 and being obese (unless you’re 4’8″) Beth Ditto is way too heavy.
But size 16 women? Bring them on!
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You’re entitled to your opinion, but calling anyone ‘too fat’ is just not on. Can I call you ‘too prejudiced’? How does that feel?
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I wasn’t trying to oput her down, it’s a statement of fact.
She’s fat.
Perhaps I get pissed with fatties because I’ve spent a lifetime of being reminded how skinny i was/am. Fatties don’t like it pointed out to them, yet they simply don’t care if a skinny person is horribly uncomfortable with their own image.
Any way you look at it, Beth is obese. Surely you’re not trying to say that she’s an optimum size?
We shouldn’t be promoting obesity any more than we should promote the bodies of the stick insect models who prance around in their desiigner rags. Clothes that were probably designed by some gay boy who’s idea of perfection in a body is a prepubescent schoolboy, so they find stick insect models, and women fall over themselves to congratulate him for doing it.
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Jeez. No wonder you wanted to stay anonymous. Your comments are full of prejudice, sterotyping and, quite frankly, are dripping with venom. My mum always said if you had nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all.
I once lived with a girl like you, and she turned out to be a very sad, bitter person with no friends. I hope for you, that one day you will let go of your bitterness and prejudices and realise that everybody is equal, whether they be thin, curvy, straight, gay, whatever!
I leave with this – just remember the dinner party rules. “if you’re rude, mean-spirited, snarky, aggressive, defamatory or bitchy, your comment will be deleted”. I was offended by your comments and i’m sure others were too.
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Yes, Beth Ditto is fat…
She is also a beautiful young woman who, I imagine, likes to wear nice clothes!
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And you know what? Beth Ditto knows she’s fat and she will tell you herself that she’s fat, it’s not something that she’s ashamed of, so I doubt you calling her fat or obese or trying to pour scorn on her will affect her much.
She’s very confident in herself and doesn’t feel the need to label other people or try and put them down, unlike some people…
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Oh to have the option to be able to go to Zara and drool let alone try and pull it over my thighs!
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I used to work in a major womens fashion chain, and the size 14′s and 16′s barely sold. Size 6-8 flew off of shelves (and we got the most complaints about our small sizes being too big), size 10-12 usually sold out eventually. Size 14-16 often had to be reduced by 70% to sell, and even then we always had leftovers.
The average woman might be a size 16, but the average woman who shops at Zara and Sportsgirl and Forever New isn’t. Of course there’s a lot of young fashionable women who are size 16′s,but next time you’re out take a look around. The majority of young women are smaller. It’s women 35 and over who make size 16 the average, and they aren’t a big part of Zara’s market. Not big enough to produce a whole new line for anyway.
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Agree. How come everytime I go to the sale rack it’s filled with 14-16′s and overs and usually some 6′s? Obviously because these are the sizes that don’t sell
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Perhaps it’s the fashion chain you worked for, but to find a 14 on a shelf anywhere near me is darn near impossible. Always, ALWAYS sold out long before any of the other sizes.
I end up shopping for summer clothes the second they bring them out in the shops -e.g. in winter. The clothes may have to sit in my closet for a few months but at least I have the option to purchase my size.
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Interesting, I wonder if that has anything to do with the socio-economic demographic?
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It depends on where you live also. Suburban stores get allocated less stock and that is where the larger sizes actually sell, but for the brand I worked for something like 75% of our sales were made in the city stores. That’s where a popular size 6 item would sell out hours after hitting the floor. When I left the brand they were starting to close some of the outer suburb and country stores in favour of opening more city stores, and with that came a discussion about whether we should dump size 14 and 16 as they didn’t sell in our most profitable stores.
In the places ZARA is located size 16 isn’t the average. Why would they start stocking larger sizes when the majority of women who walk through their doors are size’s 6-10?
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I think you’re missing the point. I’m 42 and I walk into Forever New and want to cry that the stuff in there doesn’t fit me. It doesn’t fit many people, let’s be honest.
Why is fashion purely for the youth? I can pull together a very stylish looking outfit from the meagre range of plus size stuff that would rival the average 20 year old in the fashion stakes. Why eliminate that chunk of business? The retailers are kidding themselves if they think no one would shop there.
I also have to say, some stores are notorious for clothes not fitting well at certain sizes, so they’re avoided. When you get to a size 14-16 sometimes the weight is apportioned to the boobs and butt and the cut hasn’t been adjusted accordingly. We avoid the stores that don’t account for this, hence the 14-16s being left on the rack. Nothing more demoralising than trying on a top that pulls at the boobs, or jeans that fit everywhere but the waist.
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I’ll tell you why this is. It’s pretty simple really – I won’t even walk in to a shop that sells certain types of clothes because of their reputation of not catering to my size (16) or that I don’t believe the type of clothes they sell will look nice on me.
Trust me, there are certain shops with great clothes that always sell out of the 14s and 16s first. I was recently looking at the Reberto Cavalli rack at Target and the only size left was a 10 in every style. I think that’s very telling.
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If this is the case (which I completely understand – I do the same thing but at the other end of the spectrum), then why are we asking stores such as Zara to stock plus sized clothes?
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Meanwhile at my local Target all the small sizes of Cavalli stock sold out in days (the size 8′s were gone on the first day, when I went at lunchtime all the items I’d wanted were sold out in my size) and the 14′s and 16′s prices have already been reduced.
Your shopping behavior is the problem. People demand plus size clothing, then nobody actually buys it. I’ve seen so many brands launch plus size ranges and promote them like crazy only to have to ditch the whole idea a year later because the line was losing money. People either get upset because the plus size range has different styles to the main range (“we want trendy clothes!”) or get upset because they use the same designs as the main range and they aren’t flattering (“these trendy clothes don’t suit us, what idiot thought this would be a good idea”).
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I think most people who need bigger sizes would just be happy with being able to buy decent looking tshirts, button up shirts and pants and jeans without their having been bedazzled or in those revolting fat lady colours like Caz mentioned in her comment!
Also it’d be nice if the designers and makers recognise that being a 16 or 18 doesn’t mean you automatically are round all over with no waist, and that their clothes will in fact hang like a wet sack on many of us who happen to have big boobs and hips!
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That’s an issue for everyone with curves. I’m a size 8 and I have all my clothes altered because the waist is always too big and everything looks like a sack. But my body shape isn’t the norm, and if major chain store’s decided to cater to it exclusively (which do to the way the products are manufactured, they would have to do. The machinery can’t just switch between one set of measurements and a totally different set every few minutes), most people would be completely left out. The straight up and down design isn’t always flattering, but it is wearable for most people.
If you want a better fit, regardless of your size, you have to find the brands that cater for your shape, and you have to be willing to spend a little more.
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My point is that if you need a bigger size – I’m talking 16-18 – that it just needs to be a bit bigger but still in the same cut – it doesn’t automatically make you in need of plus size which is invariably sacks (on me, or anyone with a waist). It just means you’re bigger than what the sizes run to.
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This article is interesting because I find their xs to be too big in Australia.
I think they are literally sizing up here or we get the sized up US stock. In Europe and Asia Zara sizes are much much smaller and tend to be less about vanity sizing mre about real sizing.
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This is just me musing out loud – is it because the ‘style’ of clothing that they make is in their opinion not considered flattering on sizes 16 and up and they don’t want the cost of making a new range that would suit larger figures? Ie. the clothes in these places are generally quite form fitting, hugs the hips, doesn’t allow for lumps and bumps etc. And I don’t say this as a slim size 8 myself, I’ve been overweight (got up to a 14+, but I’ve lost weight now) and couldn’t shop in places like Zara at that time as the clothes either didn’t fit or didn’t look flattering on my figure. That’s a subjective opinion though of course, some girls 16 and up may feel confident in tight clothes but I was unfortunately not one of them.
I’m not being anti plus size with this comment (I’ve been there too), just wondering about the reasons why they don’t tap into this lucrative market. Maybe they don’t want to come up with new lines of design.
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I am tall and reasonably slim but because of my height I have long arms and legs, broad shoulders and am generally bigger than the standard size 12. I have a girlfriend who I often shop with and we laugh a lot about it, because she is classified as overweight, but because she is petite she can fit into size 10 and 12 clothes. I am in the healthy weight range for my height but often need size 14 in some labels, which some designers dont make .
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Can the manufacturers please agree on universal sizing?
In some shops I’m a size 12, in others a size 14 and in some brands a size 16.
Grrrr.
Where is the uniformity? There is none. This is why I despise clothes shopping.
Shopping for gifts, yay. Shopping for homewares. yay.
Shopping for clothes, grrr.
And don’t get me started on bra shopping. Or worse still, cossie shopping.
P.S. How can I order them fabulous clothes on-line when even I don’t know what size I will fit in?
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My advice? Purchase a tape measure, get your measurements (there are plenty on guides online that will let you know how to measure each area) and have a look at the sizing guide on the website that you want to buy from. It’s the best way. When I first started buying from asos I measured myself, picked the size closest to me but also bought one size up and one size down. I later returned the other two but it’s a good way of seeing whether their sizing guide matches you and that way you can be fairly sure that you’ll pick the right size after that
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There are also problems at the other end of the scale- as a size 6-10 (depending on the store) I often find there is nothing small enough to fit me, especially in tops. Shops like Target and Jeanswest are the worst for this. Enough with the ‘vanity sizing’ it is just frustrating. Love that online retailers such as Asos have a petite range at reasonable prices but wish this was more common in Australian retailers with a shop front.
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I agree that there should be more options out there for plus sized ladies. Women of all sizes are beautiful. I do wonder though, if it would be appropriate to charge more for the size 18 than the size 8? If it costs the designer more for materials, & requires alteration of the design, surely that is fair? As is purchasing two airline seats if you are unable to fit into a single seat? If we are wiling to be realistic about this aspect, maybe we have a better chance of getting what we need
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Isn’t that a bit discriminatory? Size 6 dress uses half the fabric than size 16 dress, so make it half price? So then the size 10 or 12 would be three quarters of the price? While there might be a small benefit in that people might try to lose weight to save money on clothes (that’s a joke, by the way), I think there would be an uproar if this kind of thing started happening! If you’re six feet tall and a big build (not fat) you would certainly be entitled to feel discriminated against if a five foot shrimpy could buy the same clothes for much less money!
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“shrimpy” …haahaaa, thats so cute
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Size 16 is the average size for Australian women now?? Didn’t it used to be size 12? Maybe instead of complaining about stores not stocking size 16, the ‘average’ Australian women should do something to lose some weight!
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I agree with you but its a very dangerous opinion to express.
Just because something is the average doesnt make it ok.
If a class full of school students got an average mark of 4/10, we wouldnt be saying thats ok….
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To extend on your analogy; we may not be saying it’s okay, but we certainly wouldn’t stop teaching them, either.
While plus sized women ‘should’ be losing weight, the fact remains that at any given point in time, there are many, many women – the average, in fact – of this size who would like to wear fashionable clothing.
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Actually I think that is just what they are doing with schools too – dumbing it down so more people can pass. Off topic I know but so true. Everything made to fit the lowest common denominator.
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As a teacher, that comment is offensive. Clearly you know nothing about the education system.
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And walk around in frumpy, ill-fitting clothes or just naked in the meantime?
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Well I am an average size 16 up top. Not because I am overweight, but because of my boobs. Please think about making narrow minded comments like this. I find your comment very hurtful.
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I have GG boobs and I wear size 6-8 tops.
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Whaaa whaaa whaaa, try K-mart. Mammamia audience can’t afford Zara
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That’s a fairly ignorant statement.
I personally can’t at the moment but I am sure there are some on here who could.
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The Zara top, blouse, skirt and jacket in my wardrobe at home (paid for by me) would disagree with that statement.
I’ve only ever shopped at Zara in Europe (we only have one store in Adelaide recently opened) so I don’t know what the prices are here but I find it much more affordable that decent clothing costs in Australia.
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Don’t get too excited.. I just saw the Zara jumper i bought in Amsterdam for 15 euros in Sydney Zara for $75.
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Can I just say, the sizes in Zara are SMALL too – I am a small size 12 and some of their ‘larges’ don’t even fit me.
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I read in a book awhile back that most companies will use S, M and L to compliment what they think is S, M and L. For example, if a size 8 is their most popular, they will make that a medium, the size 6 a small and the size 10 a large. I’m not sure if that is what happens in the majority of Australian stores but might be something to consider. I mean I’m a size 10 yet just fit into Supre and Cotton On’s definition of a L when we all know that a size 10 is not a large.
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It’s been said time and time again that instead of losing weight to feel happy you should feel happy and you will start to lose weight.
It’s difficult to feel happy when you are forced to wear potato sacks and Nana clothes at the age of 28.
Also, has anyone else noticed that all plus sized clothes are floral and/or ruffled?
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Yeah, I’ve noticed that too. And it’s annoying.
Thankfully, I’ve just gone from a size 18 to a 16 to a 14 (although I still need to buy 16s a lot because I am ultra curvy…). Sucks when the plus size clothes are aimed at the 35 years and older group, and you’re in your early 20s…
Losing weight is not going to help me much. I’m tall, I have a very dramatic hourglass figure (boobs and hips are the same circumference, and waist is 70%) with large boobs, and even when I hit the “healthy weight bracket” I’ll still be a size 12-14.
Mind you, the sizing matters less than the styling. Very few of the clothes around at the moment are designed for my shape (with the exception of some of the retro reproductions in places like Target), although APPARENTLY the hourglass is the most sought after shape??
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Yes! I’m the same as you – same bust and hips and waist at 65%! But I can’t find jeans. I think it’s because despite these measurements I appear to be an apple shape. Please tell me – where do you buy jeans? I have been searching for months for dark denim jeans and can’t find ANYTHING that fits!
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My advice is shop online from Nordstrom. They do flat rate shipping to Aus, you shop in AUD and they have a massive range of plus size jeans, different fits, rise, colour, etc, and an excellent search function. Can’t recommend them highly enough.
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Brilliant thanks!
Ps mamamia team I ticked the notify me box but have not had any emails letting me know there were replies
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Levi’s curve ID is good and SOME of their styles go up to around an 18-20. (bit hard to tell the exact as they do sizes that are 36×34 for example) but they have the same style i.e. bootleg but in demi curve, bold curve or slight curve which is all to do with the waist to bum ratio. A little exxy in Australia but I’m told you can find them cheaper online.
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I was so excited to hear about curve id but NONE fit. I did the online test thing and when in store tried all of the different fits. Biggest let-down ever!
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At the risk of being unpopular, I get why high end labels dont do plus size. They are selling an aspirational image and plus size doesnt fit that.
Plus at the higher price point, its hard to know how much of a market there is.
But lower end brands absolutely should be tapping in to the market.
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Guess what, women tend to put on weight as we get older – particularly if we have demanding jobs that mean we have less time to exercise and cook. And guess what else, that means as we get older and fatter, we also have a lot more money to spend than thin young things. Of course there’s demand for larger sizes at the higher price point. More demand, logic would suggest, than the demand for smaller sizes.
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But as women get older, logic suggests their disposable income will decease.
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Why would it decrease? Mine has gone up.
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Mortgage, expanding family.. More expenses.
As compared to the 20-somethings who don’t yet have those things.
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yeah but 20 somethings are much lower in their career and would therefore be earning a lot less as well? Especially these days with huge rents and living expenses.
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“Guess what, women tend to put on weight as we get older – particularly if we have demanding jobs that mean we have less time to exercise and cook.”
Funny how this only seems to happen in Australia. I lived in Europe for years, travelled through Asia and America extensively and never noticed this phenomenon there. Sounds like a big old excuse to me.
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No no no.. women who ‘choose’ to allow their demanding job get in the way of exercise and cooking put on weight making this their excuse.
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I read an article about Leona Edmiston and her plus size range is selling very well because she is offering something nobody else in that market is.
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That’s interesting, because every time I try to buy a Leona dress online all the small sizes are gone but the larger sizes are still there.
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