
(Photo credit: Berlei Curves)
The average Australian woman is around a size 16.
But you wouldn’t know that if you walked into most fashion stores. Overwhelmingly, the shops are filled with Barbie-shaped mannequins and racks of clothes that seem to stop at size 12.
But a new report has found all those clothes targeted only to women size 8-14 are doing retailers no favours. The Choice Consumer report suggests retailers are missing out on profits because they only sell clothes that fit a limited number of women – and by doing so they’re ignoring larger sizes and a larger market.
The demand is there, but the sizes are not.
Choice says an increasing number of females say they’re forced to shop online or at chain stores because they can’t fit the stylish clothes sold in shopping malls or high street stores.
Retailers who say they are struggling should consider expanding their range to fit the growing number of women who wear size 16 and above, Choice spokeswoman Ingrid Just says.
“What we’re essentially identifying is that there is a whole market out there that many designers and retailers aren’t necessarily tapping into,” Ms Just said.
“Consumers are finding themselves quite frustrated by not being able to buy clothes that suit their bodies.”
The report also found that women’s fashion ranges come “crashing to a halt” at size 14 and that where larger items are available, they’re coming at a price – sometimes retailing for double the amount of similar items in smaller sizes.
Could these be the same retailers who are crying poor because everyone’s shopping with online stores in the UK and the US?
If so, why aren’t designers and retailers tapping into the MAJORITY of the market and making a profit? Anyone?
Choice suggests that some retailers shun plus sizes because they only want their brands associated with slim people. Call it fashion snobbery. In the same way the vast majority of fashion retailers advertise their brands using extremely tall, size 8 (Photoshopped) models, this same principle is echoed by the racks in-store; the labels are controlling who wears their clothes by excluding plus-sizes from their range.
Plus-size fashion designer Megan Moir Pardy said she started her fashion label, Damn You Alexis, because of the lack of labels catering to plus sizes.
She said there’s three reasons Australian labels are ignoring plus size women.
1. The cost and fear of changing patterns to suit a curvier figure. The grading between sizes 6 and 12 is quite uniform but when you get up to sizes 16 to 24 women put on weight in vastly different ways and the pattern needs to be adjusted to make the garment work.
2. The stigma attached to a plus size clothing. The cooler, edgier labels have a reputation that the customer wants to buy into. Plus sizes aren’t part of that.
3. They simply don’t think plus size women want fashionable clothes. There is a mentality that if you really wanted to wear fashion, you would lose weight.
And she said the Choice’s spokeswoman was voicing an opinion “plus women have been shouting about for years! There is a huge market out there for labels willing to embrace it. In a challenged retail market I’m really surprised more Australian labels aren’t increasing their size range to include plus.”
And maybe if they did they’d be making (plus) money.

Tara Lynn and Crystal Renn on the cover of The Times magazine (Photoshopped image)
What’s been your experience with finding clothes you like in sizes that fit you?







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I am a size 18. I buy most of my clothes online, or sew them myself (I have very large boobs, so sewing my own clothes often gives me a better fit).
For online shopping, I still love Style & Substance (Aussie online store). They carry clothes from Igigi and Kiyonna (amongst others) and have excellent customer service and fast (or free if you don’t want express) shipping. They also have a lot of really great sales and have clothes that are appropriate for working in a professional environment, as well as a lot of good cocktail etc dresses. The clothes are also generally of excellent quality. I get tonnes of compliments on my Igigi clothes.
On occasion I will also shop on Igigi and Kiyonna’s own online stores, especially if they have items Style & Substance haven’t stocked. Igigi’s website is really nice to look at – they have front and back shots of all dresses, and often little videos so you can see them in motion. They also use plus sized models so you can see what they will really look like.
I tend to steer clear of City Chic, except for jeans. Most of their clothes are a bit too casual for my lifestyle. Ditto for shops like Torrid.
Sometimes I manage to find ok clothes in Myer’s plus section, but it’s completely hit and miss. I found their plus range by Leona Edminston very disappointing and ill fitting – you can get much better Igigi and Kiyonna dresses. I find physical plus stores like Taking Shape aimed at an older demographic and their clothes are just not me.
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I have been thinking actually for the last year or so that Aussie sizes seem to have grown and grown??
A ‘ten’ is not what is was 15 years ago…..and a ‘six’ is certainly not either?
Recently, my Mum pulled out some ‘old’ size 10′s…..they were teeny tiny compared to today’s size 10.
I actually find that when I go shopping for clothes here (which is not often…since they’re so much cheaper overseas….) that there is usually only 14′s and 16′s left of any of the decent stuff? The 8′s are gone….the 10
s are gone…so there must be some women getting about who are this size!
I am not forced to shop online due to size….but due to cost. Simply not worth shopping in Australia currently.
Good on Megan for starting her label….I hope she does very well tapping into this market – clearly there is a need for it.
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…but I don’t understand how an article about the severe lack of stylish, fashionable clothes for those of us who are size 16 (the average size) or above has attracted so many comments from women who can walk into almost any fashion store and pick their size off the rack. Most ladies fashion retailers stock size 8-14, so why are you complaining on this story about the clothes not fitting perfectly. The fit cannot always be perfect because we are individuals (if you want clothes to fit you perfectly try a dressmaker…or couture!).
This story is about how the majority of clothes made for size 16 and above are unfashionable. Of course there are clothes to buy…but they are not fashionable!!! Understand???
…maybe I’m just grumpy today
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The clothes that fit me are also not considered ‘fashionable’. I would fit into a Girls size 14, but do you really think a 20 year old wants to wear that??
I’m technically a size 4, and that doesn’t even exist in Australia, so I have to make do with a 6. I think us petites are just annoyed that people assume we can easily find clothes, but the fact is we can’t, and it’s not just that our clothes are unfashionable, it’s that our sizes don’t exist.
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Chelsea!, please reread what I wrote. I was speaking to those who are size 8 – 14 and are here complaining about their fashionable clothes not fitting well.
You obviously have just as much of a problem as I do and you are welcome to complain away
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Hilarious for one thing that you used the picture of Crystal Renn considering she’s lost all her weight now ..
But otherwise, I went to TAFE to learn clothing construction a few years back, it was a massive full time course that took up 30 odd hours plus study time a week, and while we did learn about grading, we never learnt how to grade any bigger then a size 16.
A lot of what Megan said is completely true, slimmer girls are more uniform in size, therefore it’s easier to make clothes that are likely to fit. We do have the notion of women having different body shapes, pear, column, etc but for me – being two different sizes in measurements in all brands- it’s easier to accommodate in clothing then between 3 or more clothing sizes, and more cost effective for companies.
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I have been both thin and larger. When I’m larger, it is a degrading feeling going from shop to shop, with nothing fitting, and in each shop you lower your expectations, but you still can’t find anything. After each fitting room you feel worse and worse about yourself. When you’re really fussy about colours or print style, it becomes impossible. You might finally find something in the right shape, but the colour is completely wrong for you. I think the most difficult size to find anything is when you’re just too big for the standard size 16 or 14 in most shops, but when you look in the ‘plus sizes’ they’re way too big – the jump between 14/16 and 18 is often huge.
I now hate shopping for all of these reasons, especially with other people. It’s not a fun, sharing activity trying things on together; it’s awful having someone along to witness the humiliation when you don’t want to come out of the dressing room each time. Shopping for me is just a mission.
Fortunately I can sew, but it’s very difficult to fit yourself when you’re larger, especially if you’re feeling not good about your body, and that’s been made worse by the degrading shopping experience. But understanding how sewing works is still helpful.
It is true, as some people have said below, that larger clothes need to be constructed differently (unless they’re just going to be baggy). And to some extent it is fair enough that they cost a bit more. (although unfair at the same time). It is also part of the reason why they are missing from the mainstream collections – any mediocre talent can design for a small figure, it takes much more talent to shape things over curves in a flattering way, than it does to sew flatter pieces of clothing. I suspect many of the designers wouldn’t be capable of broadening their range.
In the end, it was much easier for me to find fabric I really liked and go to a really good dressmaker (one who understands style and trends etc) Obviously this is expensive, but I would rather have a couple of things that look really good, that I like, than more things that are just ‘making do’. You can also then take the dress they’ve made to a less expensive dressmaker and ask them to copy it. (It’s much easier to copy a dress, than it is to fit the dress in the first place.) If you can sew yourself, it’s also possible to find people who will make a pattern of the dress for you. Buying things that almost fit and getting them altered, can also be helpful (eg buy jeans that fit your thighs, and get the waist taken in). And when you understand how clothes are constructed, if you find something that you like that almost fits, you can work out whether it would just need a bit of an alteration, a lot of alteration, or if alteration wouldn’t work at all. I know this all costs money, but it saves me hours and hours of desperate searching, and for some people time is money too.
There’s lots of stuff (blogs etc) online that teaches you about sewing. There are also some really good resources around for working out what shapes do suit your body shape. Trinny & Susannah are a good place to start. (I know they also have their faults.) The best resource for this though, in my opinion, is ‘insideoutstyleblog’. Her analysis of this stuff is just amazing. Although it doesn’t have much larger clothing, Birdsnest also suggests which body shapes best suit each article of clothing they sell. You can search for ‘large bust’ for example. If you look at Vogue sewing patterns (even if you can’t sew), they also suggest which body shapes suit each pattern shape.
Please don’t attack me for being insensitive to the budgetary concerns of ordinary people. I’m not some rich person saying “just got to a dressmaker”. I’m an ordinary person saying that for me, saving up and doing it this was my solution. I’m not suggesting it takes away all the other issues.
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Thanks for the plug Sue! Really appreciate you letting people know about my blog http://www.insideoutstyleblog.com I do try and cover issues the all women face, and cover everything from plus to petite.
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http://www.ezibuy.com.au. Yes, I know a lot of their clothes are daggy, but a lot of them aren’t, I think everything goes up to an 18 and a lot of it is in bigger sizes. They do different ranges of clothing which seem to cater for different shapes. They have never questioned anything I returned, and refund promptly. They also have an associated plus size range (Sara? Sarah? something like that). They have at least a couple of styles of jeans in Long and Short leg length – I’m 5’10 and they really are long enough (possibly a bit too long, in truth, but the novelty of having them long enough is too exciting for me to take them up). And I’ve bought clothes from them over a number of years and every single one of them is the same size (I haven’t changed weight), so I think they must be fairly consistent with sizes.
As for sizing … I bought 2 work skirts from Sportscraft this week, one from this season and one on sale from last year. They were similar cuts and similar fabrics (different colours, i’m not that tragic), and they both fitted the same on me and seemed to have the same measurements. But this season’s skirt was marked a full size smaller than last year’s. Incorrect tags, or a plot to flatter its in-store customers and bamboozle its mail-order customers?? Who knows …
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Grrr… I have the same problem with Esprit jeans. For the past 4 years I’ve purchased a new pair each winter season (I wear them a lot!) and I now have 3 different sizes in my wardrobe. Size 14, 12 & 10. I swear the 10 is too tight and the 12 far too big. My weight fluctuates a lot and so I am constantly buying clothes that fit in at the time. Within one season the size 12 had changed so much I couldn’t figure out if I was too big or too small. Needless to say they sag at the bum now so I’ve avoided the brand completely. Can’t seem to win anymore1
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I left the UK 4 years ago – I had a job which required me to wear a uniform which means that thankfully I have been able to preserve all the amazing clothes I bought in London during my time there. I would have been stuffed with the range of clothing here in Australia. The range is appalling. I have managed to find some retailers here – but the good items are few and far between.
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If you want to save money tne place I have tried in terms of second hand clothing is Savers (http://www.savers.com.au/) – I mix the pieces I buy here with more up to date/quality/expensive items.
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Great article. Sadly “plus” sized clothes in Australia are terrible. Also the sizes are questionable. I’am still the same size I was 8-10 years ago, proved this recently when I still easily fit into my form fitting Formal gown. Then I was size 12. However how according to the labels I’m an 18. I haven’t gained much weight, if any so how is this possible??? They’re making the clothes so small now and not catering to anyone above a twig!
Thankfully bras companies are slowly starting to catch onto this idea now. In the past if you were above a C, all you could buy was white, black and beige. Apparently women with bigger boobs didn’t want nice bras……?
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but it has been shown many a time that sizing has gotten larger not smaller. It is not possible that you have gone from a 12 to an 18 without having put on much weight. Either the size 12 you wore at your formal was obviously not a standard size 12 or you are not actually a size 18 at all and you are shopping in the wrong places, or you are in denial about your weight gain.
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wrong i fit size 14 and 16 and clothes that are over 10 years old are 12′s and fit . sizes are not anywhere the same , you cant compare a 16 from one place with another
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I think it depends where they are from, but in my experience (i.e. based on the stores I have shopped at over the last 8 years) sizes have gotten larger rather than smaller. E.g. I used to wear a 6 in most stores when I was 17, but now I find most size 6s to be too large. This is despite me putting on 8 kilos and developing subtle curves in the last 5 years. Based on the weight and size gain, size 6s should now be too small but rather, they tend to be too big or to fit. Though I won’t complain when the latter happens.
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I completely agree Shannon. Despite being the same weight (give or take a kilo or two) since I was about 14, in my teens, I was a size 8 (I don’t think size 6 really existed back then), then became a size 6 sometime in my 20s, and now I find that size 6 is getting larger, and I often can’t fit into a size 6, as it will be too big.
I went into Sportsgirl yesterday – a shop I haven’t been into for a long, long time, and discovered that I’m now a size XXS, which seems a bit absurd. When I was in the US a few years ago, I also remember buying lots of size 0 clothing, and I was actually a bit offended that they even offered clothes in a ‘size 0′ – it made me feel as if I didn’t exist at all in the minds of the designers! Sizes are definitely getting bigger (there’ve been several studies to back this up too), and I think a size 16 as it would be in most labels would be quite a large size these days – definitely bigger than many of us would probably imagine when we think of a size 16.
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Agree. I’m generally a size 12 in all the stores like just jeans, esprit, sportsgirl, etc. My mum said when she was my age she was also a 12, but when she pulled out her old size 12 clothes i couldn’t get them past my knees! I’d estimate they were about a size 8 by today!
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I’m not in denial about my so called weight gain. If that was the case, I couldn’t have fit into my formal dress 10 years later. Also my doctor regularly weighs me and within 1-2 kgs, I’m always the same. I don’t see how you can say it’s not possible. If you hated to be cruel, you wouldn’t have posted the comment.
That aside, yes it is possible. If I had gained weight, I would have no problem admitting it. As we get older it is normal to put on some weight. Clothes are not getting larger, no matter what so called research is trying to convince us.
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http://www.danimezza.com/ has some great larger sized fashion. Including a recent post on work out gear!
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Target ‘plus size’ is often shapeless and in appalling fabrics, with the occasional win in dresses. And what’s with the “we’ll give you the same print top as in the smaller sizes but make it for you in an itchy scratchy fabric instead, but still charge you extra”?
At Myer you can find some nice things but $80 for a basic tee in a thin fabric and without any tailoring seems excessive
Autograph fabrics are often of the “stay away from naked flames for fear of spontaneously combusting” variety. And charge you $60 for the privilege.
City Chic tends to often get it right but at my mid thirties I know it won’t be long till I’m too old for them and I’m shuddering at the thought of what I’ll do then.
At Big W I scored a great stripe tee in their new Avella range, and the fabric is some of the best I’ve seen for a long time.
What I would love to know is where can I find exercise pants in size 20-22? Or are fat people just not meant to exercise. the only ones I can find are “slouch on the couch” trakkies. I’d love a pair of Lorna Jane type pants but am apparently too fat to exercise, let alone do it with some style.
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Don’t forget the bedazzling on the Target gear, Flowers!
I’m stuck in a bit of a limbo land – small tight things (like a cami-singlet type thing) at places like City Chic fit me, but I’m not “plus size” in the way that plus size clothes are made – I’m a 16, I’ve got big boobs and hips and a waist. I’m tall. I do look in the plus size area for some stuff, but most of it sits like a sack on me if it’s anything other than a tight top. The tops are good because of my boobs. I suspect the stuff that would fit me sells out straight away because there are so many people in this size range!
I’ve seen plus size exercise gear lately at Big W. Their Emerson stuff is pretty good too.
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Oh the bedazzling! And as much as I’m a fan of black I’d prefer if they took those bloody black beads they’ve been sewing on everything for the last umpteen years and melted them down to make something aesthetically appealing.
And I forgot to mention the colour range. I can’t wear peach, apricot and other fruity shades without looking ill. Alas so often my only choice is then black. And despite the fact I love it I also like to not dress as of for a funeral at least one day a week!!!!!
How’s Practice been Kris? Did the wardrobe solutions work for you?
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We’ve only had one day a week (hols now). First week I wore long pants and my old navy GP boots, but it’s been warmer and it’s pretty casual, so I’ve been wearing 3/4 cargo shorts and short sleeve tops. I’m building up stuff to wear for our 2 week block in June though! Got some shoes on layby at Myer. At least THEY fit! LOL And I scored a denim jacket at Suzanne Grae for $30 last week too! So that’ll be handy.
I think I’d be in a bit more of a pickle if I was at one of the stricter Catholic schools, though. Those guys are having debriefs the morning after they were so freaked out!
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LOL at the colour range. My Size has, for many years, had the same fuschia, purple, lime and black colour palette, and it drives me spare. They’ve expanded a bit in recent years, we now have reds and pinks thrown in there, but the colours are always just a little bit ‘old’.
Is it too much to ask for ranges and palettes that are current?
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If you have a Costco in your area I found some very comfy and flattering yoga pants there. They have black and grey in short and regular lengths (bootleg style) – they are fitted and aren’t baggy or daggy. A friend recommended them to me and she even wears them to work – they easily pass as dress pants with a nice top. Great quality and stretchy fabric that washes really well.
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Check out femaleforlife.com.au for plus size workout gear. Not exactly cheap, but the prices are comparable to places like LJ – and the clothes go up to a size 22.
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Best and less does some good basic workout gear in their plus size range
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Try Style & Substance (online Aussie store). They have some work out gear.
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I agree with you and i would love Lorna jane to make a plus size range! Exactly just because we are larger doesn’t mean we don’t want to have nice workout gear either! Check out Female for Life, they have a great range that fits up to a 24, but i think we should start a petition to Lorna jane, about stocking a plus size range
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Funny you should say that. I just emailed them last week after this story first appeared! You can read my comments earlier on in the discussion.
Sadly I haven’t heard back from them yet.
Basically I said how much it motivated me to finally be able to buy LJ clothes after shedding 8 kg (albeit in a size L). I understand that they don’t want to condone people being overweight/obese but they could do so much good.
Maybe have a reward scheme so every time you drop a size, you get a voucher? It’s a win/win if you ask me. People feel good, get healthy and get a reward. LJ sell more clothes and are seen to be doing their bit to encourage people.
I’ll keep you posted if they ever reply!
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Finally, the article I have been waiting for. Plus size clothing in Australia is appalling. I am a size 18, but in proportion and with a waist. I can’t find anything that I like. There are some plus sizes out there but TS is AWFUL – I don’t want draped bits of fabric, I want stylish clothes that show that I have a waist. BIB is equally shocking – designed for pensioners. There are some places which have larger sizes but rather than having the same styles in the same fabrics, for some reason, the retailers believe that anyone size 18 or above loves crinkle cotton or cotton knit in styles that I wouldn’t put my worst enemy in.I find it hard to dress professionally because the clothes I want just aren’t out there and I won’t buy online because I can’t try them on.
So, why don’t I just lose weight? At my lightest (60kgs), I looked skeletal and my periods stopped. I can’t be that light. I work out at least 3 times a week and eat salads every day. Haven’t had a chip or fast food in years. At 50, I have no health problems. I don’t choose to be this large but I just can’t move it and it is not for lack of trying.
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Taking Shape; clothes for looking like a bag lady who has been vomited on by a cat
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But we’ll just disguise all of that with our sleight of hand style dressing…throw some orange across it with an asymetrical hem and no one will know you’re fat, live out of a trolley and have been vomited on by a cat.
I think they believe we’re stupid.
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LOL@ Flowers in the Spring & Simone – this is exactly how I would descibe TS clothing. Its just so unflattering, unappealing and not on trend at all. The horible jersey, mesh or frayed cotton edges is so NOT cool and neither is anything slashed with lime, orange or yellow.
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The last remaining legal prejudice. Seems like most designers don’t want “fat” money. I wonder why, because those that did a stylish, up-to-the-minute range of 14+ clothes would make a fortune.
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While I think there is obviously some demand for larger sized clothing, I am seeing a lot of whining about the way clothes are cut, re leg and arm length etc. I think people need to remember that most people need to alter clothes some of the time, and that nearly all of us have something that makes it difficult to buy clothes some of the time regardless of our size. You are not special on this front just because you are plus size. I’m 5″1 and size 6/8, and nothing is ever the right leg or arm length for me, straps are always too long because my chest length is short and I often have gaping bits under the arms and on the bust. I often can’t find clothes smaller than an 8, and in a lot of stores the basics and classic womens type ranges are bigger than the young womens sizing. I also hate shopping in the kids section – the clothes are not cut or designed for a woman’s shape and as a 31 year old, I’d really like to dress like a woman not a kid!
Most people don’t have the shape that standard clothes are designed for either, I have a friend who has a big bum and small waist and has to take all her pants in. My sister has very big boobs and most things don’t cater for them given she has a little waist.
So it isn’t just a plus size thing – shopping can be a pain in the arse at any size. Just pointing this out
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Im with you on this one – I’m a 10 to 12 but with a curvy figure. For a long while I was a 14-16. The most important thing I have learnt is what styles suit my figure no matter what size I am and to stick to them. If I wear this seasons loose fitting slouch ts and jumpers I look about 20kg heavier! Just got to dress for your shape and accept the one you are
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Yes, but the difference is the amount of stores you have to choose from. If you had those issues, and five stores to solve those issues with…you’d be complaining long and loudly.
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You’re so very wrong Simone, there are lessstores that regularly stock a 6 than a 16-20… Sheesh.
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Yeah I have a “weird” body shape too – I have long go-go-Gadget arms, so long sleeves often aren’t long for me. Same with swimmers – I stopped wearing one pieces yonks ago (except for swimming team ones for carnivals) because they never seem to fit – I rock a tankini or bikini. They usually have a bra of some description built in, or a bikini as a bra and knickers under a rashie. Depends what I’m doing.
I’m pretty lucky length-wise, usually need the “long” option for pants, but sometimes the regular fits. I guess stuff is made to be taken up if it needs rather than let down?
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I hope someone will hurry up and invent a clothes printer soon. You could type in your measuremeants, choose a fabric and style, and voila! perfect garment made to order. No more need to feel anxious when walking in to a shop and wondering if they stock something in your size, or if the fabric will fit over any part of your body that is not in average proportion to the rest of you. And the options would be limitless… a new era in fashion is on the horizon.
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Oh my !!
I didn’t even know this was my fashion fantasy until you said it !!
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There is a clothes printer – they’re called a dressmaker!
I have found a local dressmaker when I was getting married, she didn’t make my dress (see my comment below) but made me a lovely lace bolero jacket for about $90 plus fabric. I have gone back to her to have a less formal outfit made, which was only slightly more expensive than buying in the shops, but with a huge plus – it fits! Still I can’t afford her for everything.
Back in the 70′s my mother used to make her own clothes because they didn’t make clothes in her size then either. (I come from a line of plus-sized women).
I wish I could sew – failed Yr 8 textiles and never tried again.
I know that women of all shapes and sizes have problems when shopping for clothes, it would be wonderful if there were standard sizes for clothes! Not sure how you’d police it though, given that sizes can change between shops and also between clothes in the same shop.
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I seriously want to learn how to sew clothes for KDot. Mum made so much of our stuff, I’d love to be able to. I know how to do all the cutting out and stuff, but I can have Mum do something on the sewing machine, I sit down and try the exact same thing and it packs it in on me.
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I too am sick to death of the appalling range in Australia of plus sized women’s clothing. No wonder we buy online from overseas. We are stuck with a few specialty stores like TS14+ which i grow tired of and what is it with Myer’s range of BIB? There was a big fanfare when they launched their new look, buy i have found most of the range to be dowdy and daggy. The designers assume that all curvier woman are short and make clothes as wide as they are long. Potato sacks look more sexy.
The same goes for those ridiculous cap sleeves that were everywhere over summer – who has decided that larger arms look good in a top cut off at the largest part of the upper arm.
You really have to wonder who the designers are catering to, It seems to be all about profit and offering no choice.
Thank goodness I still have some lovely classic separates in my wardrobe and I hardly need to shop in Australia, only just needing to add a few new items each season to update my look. If I was forced to replenish my wardrobe from the offerings here I would grow very despondent.
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I agree with you about the cap sleeves. My other bugbear is strappy tops. I have big arms. I don’t want the world to see them but someone out there seems to think that all big women want strappy tops. NO, NO, NO
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every pair of pants I try on look like I am wearing jodhpurs.
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My advice is just to keep looking and try on as many items as you can.
I can be anything from a size 14 to an 18. But tonight on my way home from work I dropped into Forever New and bought a skirt in a size 12. I tried the 16 first but the 12 fit so much better. Just goes to show there is no size standard.
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I don’t believe that 16 is the average size. Whenever you see sale items the larger sizes or really small sizes are nearly always the only ones left, so where do all the size 8′s and 10′s go? If size 16 IS acually the average size then that is scary and something needs to be done about it and I don’t mean start making bigger sizes.
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I agree and those who are really small should put on some weight! Then we’ll just have sizes 8 – 14!!
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I am not saying that there shouldn’t be bigger size clothes (don’t think I said that in my original post) but I do think that the fact that australian’s are getting larger and the average size (apparently) is a size 16 shows that a lot of people are overweight and not in a “I’m big but I’m fit and I exercises and love my curves way” in a “I eat fast food and don’t walk and don’t do any exercise way”. I’m sorry but curvy does not mean overweight and who are we kidding anything from a size 18 on is really getting into the overweight category and is NOT healthy no matter what you say.
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Jayd, I agree with you that if size 16 is now average, then we’re going to be having more and more health problems down the road. I guess that’s another article. I am one of those size 16-18 and have health reasons why that is, AND I’m doing something about it (and I don’t scoff junk food at ALL). But one thing I find is that when I look good, wearing nice clothes, I feel so much better about myself, about my body and the world in general. It improves my whole being. And that’s a great start to losing the weight. When I am stuck at home because I can’t find anything to wear, it’s times like those I’m more likely to snack.
So we do need to cater for bigger girls (I know, you didn’t say not to) and yes, if average is a 16 of today, then that’s a lot of women overweight.
this is a bit of an off topic comment, but I thought it was worth the mention. And I have bought some nice Leona’s in recent months on sale and they look fabulous.
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Great article Lucy!! I’m writing about this on my blog this weekend.
I had a terrible experience at kookai last night. I went shopping for a leather jacket and discovered they store their size 40 (size 12) out the back! Not on the racks!! Sorry but what the fuck??! There’s not enough room apparently.
Plus not only that they don’t have sizes bigger than size 12! And their size 12 is more like a size 10 to be honest.
I’m so furious I’m going to write a letter. They can go out of business for all I care. Stock at least up to size 16 is becoming the norm but not kookai. Hmmm.
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Have your ever tried on Kookai top or t-shirt, I think it was maid with Barbie in mind b/c she and sizers like her are the only ones that can wear them. I am not begrudging really thin women, but come on Kookai pull your head out of the sand.
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I have a few kookai tops. I love their colours. I’m not plus sized but I hover between a size 12/14 and I swear all their measurements are for girls with small shoulders!! I guess I’d have to give up my love for swimming just to fit in their clothes. How about no!
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It would seem to make sense to me to make clothes up to size 18. What I don’t understand is why stores seem to be delivered equal numbers of all sizes – surely there should be a few 6′s and 8′s then lots more 10′s to 16′s (where the bulk of the population live) then a few 18′s and maybe 20′s.
I think the bigger question is: where are all the sleeves?
If you popped even a cap sleeve on most dresses or tops, you would increase the appeal by four times as ladies of a certain age (an poorer muscle tone) would be able to wear them.
Where are the sleeves?????
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Ive been wondering this too. It’s been hard to find anything decent with sleeves for years. As pretty woman said “Big mistake. Huge.” by retailers.
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I have no problem finding things with sleeves. My problem is cap sleeves. I like to layer, but anything over a cap sleeve just looks weird.
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Not fitting into a size 14 and not being able to buy clothes at fashion stores certainly got me motivated to get my BMI back down to a healthy range.
Its taken me a couple of years and a few false starts.
Ive been living in Leona Edmiston dresses for the past 6 years. Very flattering to all sizes. She does plus sizes and has a more affordable range as well.
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Instead of complaining I think women need to think about their size & look at changing their lifestyles . Healthy weight is crucial for any women. Look at your diet, exercise, & you will fit into fashionable clothes. These women talking about being size 18 & above are obviously oblivious to the fact that being this large is very unhealthy.
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Or mabye so of us are just proportioned differently, I can wear a 12-14 bottom but need an 18 on top, I am sure there are many the same & the opposite. Yes we should be healthy but accepting to that no amount of dieting or exercise will alter the shape we naturally have.
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I must say, i agree. Although it is not “nice” to say it – I see a bit of a collective delusion has occurred in the last 30 years in regard to what is a “normal” size for humans.
The dramatic increase in population obesity has also had an impact on a diverse range of products from public transport (including aircrafts) where seating is designed for the “traditional” average healthy body size to surgical operating tables. (A few close friends of mine are surgeons and say that this is a huge – excuse the pun- problem in fact. Equipping hospitals with “over size” tables etc is extremely expensive so not many do, yet obese people tend to require more weight related surgeries, for example, joint replacements due to their bones not being designed to bear such excess weight.)
Instead of lamenting that modern markets aren’t catering to and supporting the growing numbers of obese people in all areas, perhaps we should be supporting them to regain a healthy proportion.
(Or complain that whoever designs skeletons should also be catering to the “larger” sizes!
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Yes, everyone should be healthy blah blah blah. Thank you for your groundbreaking advice. However, the reality is that people’s weights fluctuate for a variety of reasons. Weight goes up, weight goes down. If you happen to have gained weight, you’ve already got enough to be down about without having to wear shitful clothes as well. You don’t just think “Yep, I’m going to lose all of this weight” and wake up at your goal size the next day. If you’re doing it the right way that is able to be maintained long term, it’s a long, slow process and people should have access to flattering, reasonably priced, nice clothes at whatever stage of their weight loss journey they’re at.
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Not groundbreaking advice, just common sense . Sensible diet, exercise are imperative for a healthy body weight. Simple really
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No, its not irrelevant… Sorry but most of us started life the same size, despite being taller or shorter or proportionately wider, we should not be resembling a size 16 average… Especially when, in vanity sizing terms, thats prob a size 20…
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Is this your idea of support?
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An 18 can mean different things for different women. For someone coming from size 24, 18 is evidence of healthy eating and exercise to change their life. We shouldn’t have to wait to get healthy before we can dress well.
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I agree! It’s imperative that people work on becoming healthier but being able to dress in a way the makes you feel confident and increases your self worth only helps people strive to keep improving themselves.
I’ve journeyed from a size 22 to 16 and hope to keep heading in the right direction, but being able to wear fashionable and confidence boosting clothing, that allows me to express myself is what helps.
For many people who are over weight there are massive psychological impacts including decreased self esteem and experience of anxiety. Help people feel worthy and confident and the weight might just shift.
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Yes – I agree being overweight isn’t healthy (I have an illness that basically makes it near impossible). Since changing my diet and exercising more I have lost body fat and gained lean muscle mass – however not one kilogram of weight has shifted. Being overweight doesn’t mean we should all be punished and made to look even more crap than we already feel by making us wear appalling clothes.
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Sorry just to clarify “near impossible to lose weight” is what I meant to say
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Yes, but while women ARE larger (either temporarily or not due to whatever), they should not be punished and made to look and feel even more shit by not being able to find nice clothes.
Additionally, this isn’t about sizes 20, 22+, this is about sizes 14, 16, 18 etc, which many women can be healthily in that size.
Saying “if women want to fit into nice things they should be smaller” is an extremely insulting and stupid generalisation.
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How about thinking a bit differently about people instead of making such broad (and obvious) observations. I have a relative with bad hip problems. She can’t really exercise for this reason. She is in her sixties. She’s a large woman (ie. big boned) to begin with, and is somewhat overweight, though not a lot. She would be a size 18. So – she has no right to complain about clothing being unavailable? She is quite attractive and proud of her appearance so would love to wear nice things – in her size.
Just *one* example of why this comment is quite patronising.
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Im the proud owner of a J.Lo butt, and also the not so proud owner of an empty wallet! I’m getting slightly sick of having to shell out $100 every time I want a new pair of jeans, then another $17 to get 2 inches chopped off the bottom, City Chic I’m looking at you too, please please please, not all of us ” plus sized” (read real women) are 10 feet tall.
And good on you Megan for the Damn You Alexix range, but seriously, $300 for a LBD?? I can’t afford that mate, as beautiful as your designs are!
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plus size doesn’t equate “real woman”. we are all “real women”.
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Funny, I actually think City Chic makes clothes for short and round. Everything I’ve ever tried on there was way too short and way too baggy!
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I usually have no problem with the length of jeans as I’m quite talk (180cm). But the other day I was told that the jeans I tried wouldn’t suit me as I’m too tall. First time I’ve ever experienced a negative comment from a shop assistant.
So, I guess you can always take your pants up but I can’t take my pants down.
Oh,first world problems.
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Kellie – sick of paying $100 for jeans and then paying $17???? Not only ‘plus sized’ women do this … I always have to have trousers altered. Stop bloody whining.
Also = $300 for a LBD is almost standard if you want quality.
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If you buy trousers in Italy they come unhemmed. And then the trousers are hemmed to suit the customer – at no extra cost. It is assumed that everones height varies. Good customer service.
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Good jeans will cost you $100 or more almost everywhere. By good jeans, I mean ones that don’t stretch out of shape and actually last a few years. By the way, I’m saying this as a size 8 to 12- jeans are not priced based on size where I shop.
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I’ve got Jeans West and Target jeans that have lasted and not got all out of shape. Jeans West 2 for $100 and Target were about $35 when I got them a few years ago. You don’t NEED to spend heaps.
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I live in my jeanswest jeans, love them and they sure do last!! i wore them all through high school at size 12, i wore them when i was size 16 and i wear them now at size 10, they fit me well at all sizes.
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I think the problem is that City Chic jeans in particular only last a matter of months before fading or tearing and paying $90 for a pair is costly when you calculate how quickly they fall apart through wear and tear!
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There’s a great plus size clothing shop in Mentone and they have a website http://www.plussizedclothing.com.au. check them out, they have clothes up to size 36 and lingerie and everything.
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I actually bought a couple of corsets online from them. love em, and they were really well priced. i’m really tall too 5’11 and i think they had jeans in different lengths.
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I’m currently a size 18, but over the course of my adult life I’ve been everything from a 6 up. Even when a smaller size I always had large breasts and hips – so I can honestly say that clothes bought off the rack in regular stores have barely ever fit me properly. If it’s small enough to fit my waist and leg length, it’s too tight at the hips and bust. If it’s big enough for my hips and bust, it swims around my waist and trails past my toes. Clothes had always been a source of almost depression for me, I’m not a fan of long shopping trips and prefer to run in, grab what I need, and leave. So spending hours looking for decent fitting clothing and coming home with one or two things – or nothing at all – drives me up the wall.
I think the biggest clothing issue I’ve found is bras. Once you hit a certain cup size (assuming your breasts aren’t siliconed within an inch of their lives), it’s impossible to find something that both fits comfortably AND flatters. I shouldn’t have to bind “the girls” into submission, or to have them up at my chin, but it’s what almost always happens. Not to mention the whole being cut into four phenomenon that seems to have spread like wildfire over the last few years.
The clothing issue has definitely become worse since I went up in size. I have discovered the wonders of online shopping, but I’d love to be able to browse and try things on without having to wait a week for delivery only to find out I’ve got to send what I bought back and start the process again. I can definitely reccommend Sprinkle Emporium – they have a lot of 50′s style/inspired clothes and it’s sensational stuff. They also have a storefront in Lygon Street, Melbourne which is just a tad far away for me to pop in to lol.
When I’m in Brisbane I shop at a fantastic place in Fortitude Valley called Voodoo Lulu. A great deal of their clothing is in smaller sizing, but they have a fair selection of plus sizes, and their sizing is on the generous side. It’s the first place in years where I’ve walked in hoping for a whole outfit and mnaged to get it – shoes included.The staff are gorgeous, friendly and VERY helpful. I’ve never had a bad experience there yet. They have a stunning range of corsetry, shoes and jewellery. I can’t recommend them highly enough.
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Kerstin, look online at Curvy Kate and Freya .I mix and match, supporting both local retailers and topping up online. You can buy great stuff from the UK and there are some chain lingerie stores here too that sell Freya.
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I’m 6 foot tall and 75kg, most of which resides in the bum/hips region – I am most definitely a pear. Depending on the shop/brand I wear a size 14 or 16. But do you think a can find a pair of jeans, work pants or any other kind of pants that even remotely fits? Hell no I can’t. I’m “too big” for standard sizes and “too small” for plus sizes (City Chic I’m talking to you here). And always, always I’m simply “too tall” and end up with ankle-freezer pants. One day I’ll find the perfect pair of jeans. One day. And one day, I hope beyond hope, we’ll be able to buy Gok Wan’s range of clothes here in Oz!
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Kat, you may have to resort to sewing like I did! =(
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Hiya
I’m an Aussie in the UK, a size 16-18 and tall… and if it makes you feel any better Gok’s range really isn’t all that. I got all excited and tried most of the range on. it was all horribly unflattering!
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Same size, same issue here
Constantly on the search for a pair of jeans that actually fit!
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I bet you look awesome in a fit and flare dresss though (fitted on the top and flared over hips) give up on jeans and rejoice in your feminine shape I have and I love it!
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I’m the same size and generally wear a 14. Try Levis long length – expensive here, cheap in the US or online.
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Just a note to the Ed team, the images in the sideshow are all photoshopped (with the exception of the runway snaps?) shouldn’t there be a consistency across all pics on this site? Not just the ones where women look thinner?
Cheers
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Good point. Have amended.
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It’s a nightmare for my wife to go shopping for clothes. She’s a size 24 – 26 (again depending on brand another rant in itself), and living on a budget we usually can’t afford the clothes in her size anyway. Autograph used to be good and good value, but a couple of years ago they just jacked up the price to the point of needing a loan to buy an outfit.
I’ll add us larger blokes face some similar hurdles. When we do find the rare larger clothing all the designers seem to think is we want to wear business pants or business shirts. Not all of us blokes have a 6 pack, heck I’ve probably got a pub full of kegs to use the same analogy. Fortunately, however, the price differential doesn’t seem to affect men’s clothes as much (it’s all overpriced for something made in China) which also dispels the “extra fabric costs” myth.
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Sometimes eBay is good if you are on a budget.
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I’m a size 22- 24 in most Aussie sizes, so yep, I’m a PLUS size. But I still want to look good and not pay the earth for it!! You’d think retailers would get the hint when the 20s, 22s, and 24s sell out of (for example) the local Big W’s Avella range on the first day and the racks of size 8s and 10s hang about ’til the end of the season.
Recently I’ve been layby-ing fabulously stuff from TS14+, who make great arty clothes that really suit my style and are properly plus sized. I love them but can’t afford much, hence the lay-bys. (Thank goodness for stores that still do that, btw!)
One fabulous blogger (Erin, from A Dress a Day) actually went as far as making up cards which could be left with a store and said “You’d be looking at a credit card instead of this card if your store carried anything in my size” (You can see her post and download the PDFs here: http://www.dressaday.com/2006/06/okay-here-are-the-cards.html)
Maybe then stores would get the message?
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Every shop you go into tells you that the biggest sizes sell out first – so if you’re the tinest bit slow you miss out.
Hello … ORDER MORE BIG SIZES !
NB Manufacturers: Don’t assume that all bigger women are 10 feet tall with hugely long arms.
It’s all very well to be told we should lose weight – we know that – but in the meantime we need clothes… which allow for bigger busts!
Buying online is fraught with danger for larger sizes, I’m just not game. I’ve yet to find a website where their bust measurement goes anywhere near fitting me, without it being a size 22 or 24, and I’m nowhere near that. Where do all the young girls with big breasts get their clothes? I know, they just fall out the top of them!
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Really. At sale time all I can ever find is 14+, and when I worked in retail we always ended up dumping a lot of our larger sized stock.
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I agree REALLY??? I have never seen the bigger sizes sold out, its them or the really smaller sizes that are usually left and I work in retail.
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When I look through the racks at shops, it’s more often than not the smaller sizes, not bigger ones that are available.
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sorry I meant sale items left are usually bigger or really smaller sizes which would lead me to believe the sizes 8 -14 are the norm
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I can rarely find 16s. Pants I can fit into 14s sometimes (depending on whoever made them’s mood on the day) but tops I don’t have as much leeway. And I think a lot of people have the same thing.
Size 16 tops are hard to find on sale!
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I’m usually a 12 (or 10) and I find the12 size sells out very quickly, even on online sites.
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There’s a label called Pepperberry which allows extra room for boobs
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Have you checked out Ebay?Heaps and heaps of haddly worn TS14 clothes at great bargain prices,really worth a look!
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Have to disagree. Size 6 is always the first size to sell out. I don’t even bother with sales anymore.
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Hey Ladies,
If you are looking for some nice plus size clothing try these websites.
http://www.styleandsubstance.com.au/
http://www.lightinthebox.com/c/fashion
http://www.kiyonna.com/
http://www.asos.com/au/Women/Curve/
Sportsgirl seem to have slightly bigger sizing then the other chain stores, it’s worth going in and trying things on if you are around a size 16.
Jeanswest has the best sizing for jackets and tops. They are a lot roomier than any other chain store.
Also Susan’s new collection is quite nice and there sizes run a bit bigger.
Often the clothing itself can fit you but the lining is too tight. If the garment fits you and the material is strong enough to support itself then simply unpick/cut out the lining. The clothing will look the same but the item will fit more comfortably.
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Thanks for all those links!
I bought some jeans from City Chic today. They sell clothes in sizes 14 and up. Not sure how far up they go but I saw jeans in a 20.
Anyway, I bought two pairs – bootcut and skinnies. I never thought I would be able to wear skinny jeans but these have a good stretch to them, are very comfortable and most of all, they are flattering!
There’s a store locator on their website but you can also order online (free shipping), if there’s no store near you.
http://www.citychic.com.au/
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I got awesome skinny jeans in a size 18 from the Sara section of Ezibuy. Thoroughly recommend them (www.ezibuy.com.au). Not suire what size they go up to, but in the Sara brand 16-18 is the smallest size.
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Ezibuy’s regular size range generally goes up to a 20 or 22 as well. Mum gets stuff from them, I haven’t yet, but that’s cause I don’t trust sizings! I should though, they have some nice stuff sometimes.
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I second all of those recommendations and add http://www.igigi.com (they are stocked at Style & Substance, but a larger range is available on their own website). I love the Igigi range – over half my clothes are now Igigi.
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Just went and bought an AWESOME frock on damnyoualexis.com – thanks MM! Your link to it doesn’t work though…
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I am angry, I am a size 22 and cannot for the life of me find skinny leg jeans. Why because I am this size should I not be allowed to wear the latest fashion.
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Have you tried Asos.com/curve or Torrid?
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City chic do make a great skinny leg jean – you should try them
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See my comment above – Ezibuy do great ones
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I’m possibly older than most here (51). I’ve always been a size 8 or 10 despite being 40kilos 25 years ago & now 50 kilos. I’ve got a size 10 Katies dress (bought 2nd hand) which is a size 10, if I go into their shop now, the 8s are too big. I’ve had size 10 Laura Ashley dresses in the past, this year I’m suddenly a size 6. I’ve had size 8 skirts fall off, as in drop to the ground, & they went up to size 20. The problem is at both ends of the scale. Even though I can’t sew, I know exactly what can be taken in, & everything has to be taken up. I can’t buy trousers (execpt jeans). I have a good friend who is a size 20, & yes, she has problems, but not a lot more than me. We do like shopping together, the small is too big for me, the large is too small for her. : )
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I’m the same as you, Cleo – size 8 or 10, but actually have everything in my wardrobe from size 8 to 18 … and EVERYTHING FITS
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I am a size 6-8 and shops only a couple of things in this size and sell out really fast.if I do find anything that fit
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People who are saying that “Oh they use so much more fabric! That’s why plus sized clothing is so much more expensive”
City Chic is an aussie brand… and it is expensive. So they have been going great guns in Australia and now have expanded into the American market. Why can Americans buy the exact same clothes for 1/2 or 1/3 of the price they retail here? I have to use a proxy server to be able to see the american website and they do not deliver to Aus- of course they want us to buy the more expensive item.
I don’t get it, and I do NOT like it!
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Hmm, Aussie brand maybe but where is the clothing designed and made? Perhaps that accounts for the price difference?
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To play devils advocate here (from an american living in oz’s point of view) American shops pay their employees about 1/2 to 1/3 what they make in Australia. On top of that retail space is 2-3 times more expensive in Australia than it is in the U.S. On top of that, businesses pay exponentially higher tax rates here than they do in the U.S. On top of that, the AUD (australian dollar) historically sits at about 75% against the USD. So when you factor in all the things that make running a business in the states about twice as affordable, it’s no wonder the clothing is half the cost or less than it is here. The most I ever made working retail in the states was $7.00/hr and here I make $18/hr in a similar job. It adds up. (this is not an attack on you btw, I’ve just had a lot of time to consider why absoultely everything in this country is 2, 3 and 4 times as much as it is in the states)
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All very good points. There was an article in the SMH? a couple of days ago about the working conditions in the enormous warehouses in America that stock the products for the super-fast online stores. It was scary. It’s bad enough that the clothes are made in sweat shops; now they appear to be retailed in sweat shops too.
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sizes 14 to 26 do use a lot more fabric then sizes 8 to 14, in actual fact a size 26 if graded accordingly, uses approx 1.5 times more fabric then a 12 – i am just approximating here, so the cost is higher due to this. the other issue we have in australia across the board of all sizing is that we have a smaller population so when we order a style – in the clothing industry as most industries the more units you order the cheaper the cost to mak eis, so in the US if you are a torrid, you may order 3000+ pieces a style and get a very competitive price to make the garment, however if you are a city chic du eto your market being smaller you may order a maximum of 700 units – hence you pay a premium, which can be 1.5 times higher – so again the initial cost price increases making the final sale price higher! believe me, those of us in the fashion sector WISH we could get better prices so we could pass the savings onto the consumer
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WARNING: this is a passionate (but probably not very well articulated) rant.
AARGH!! I’ve been saying this forever. I’m not obese. I am curvy. For my the sake of my back, I could probably afford to lose some kilos but I am in proportion. Hips and bust the same measurement, waist a fair bit smaller. I’m the classic hourglass (with just a bit of extra padding). BUT. I cannot for the life of me find clothes at reasonable prices. I’m 25 but find that shops like Katies and Suzanne Gray (which I don’t feel are technically geared towards a target market of people my age and therefore don’t really have “fashion” items) are the only places I can buy clothes in my TRUE size (16). Is it just me, or are clothes staying the same “number” but actually getting smaller? I don’t want to look like I’m poured into items of clothing, where the seams stretch and buttons gape.
What annoys me is that there are a lot of fashion items that are suited towards curvy women. 50′s skirts and cute cardies and wide legged jeans. But they only come into sizes 6-12. It’s ridiculous.
I could go on for quite some time but I need to get some work done (probably shouldn’t be on Mamamia then). In summary: stores would do well to cater to plus size. I’m not suggesting we enable morbid obesity but at 5’9 and a size 16… I’m not morbidly obese and actually look quite glamourous in clothes that actually fit!!
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try this website for 50′s clothing in plus sizes, not too badly price either!
http://www.missmel.com.au
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Fifties style with big range 8-3X
Chic star.com
Pinupgirlclothing.com
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Love love love these brands.
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“which I don’t feel are technically geared towards a target market of people my age and therefore don’t really have “fashion” items”
Ouch.
Just to let you know…. women in their thirties and (gasp!) 40′s and 50′s can still be interested in wearing “fashion”. Just sayin…
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Do you have to take offense so easily? It is perfectly true to say that these particular stores, in general, do not stock clothes that are are as “fashion forward” as some other stores. If you stood at the door and did a survey, I think you would find that there were more people over 25 purchasing clothes there, than those under 25. I suspect that if you contacted the store’s marketing department, they would admit that their main target market is people over 25. I think you would also find that the link between ‘an older market’ and ‘more conservative styles’ was made by the company, not by the author of this comment. At no time did the author of this comment suggest that all older women should shop exclusively in this type of store. Nor did she suggest that all women under 25 should not wear more conservative styles, or enter these particular stores. I don’t know why this comment caused you pain. I think she made a good attempt at wording her sentence carefully.
Can you imagine what the conversation on this site would be like, if everyone had to word every thing so that they covered every possible angle, and their words couldn’t possible be misinterpreted by someone looking to take offence. Instead of interesting discussion, everything on here would read like long, boring legal documents.
And I’m saying this as someone who is very, very, very PC, and usually writes comments that are too long, because I am wording them so carefully so that they can’t be misconstrued.
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Calm your farm Sue.
The things that my 21 year old niece finds fashionable I sometimes find horrible, and I doubt she would wear what I, her 30 something aunt would wear.
As such, there are obviously people who do find these clothes fashionable enough, for them, and they may just be older.
I don’t think toomanyshoes was being nasty, was a bit tongue in cheek actually, and I don’t think she was in as much pain about it as you seem to think she was.
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We seem to agree closely about her comment. Thanks for reiterating the points I made.
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Honestly I get so mad that we all equate overweight with unhealthy. Recently at one of my father’s friends funeral I overheard people commenting on how “healthy” this man had been, he was a good weight and exercised constantly. And yes I commented he was 20 years my father’s junior.
We should be pushing for health, not weight!!!! And they don’t always equate the same. My father ( whom I don’t take after, dam him, but both my sisters do) is classified as overweight. He will be 89 soon, he just got back from an overseas trip. His blood pressure is 130/75; cholesterol 4.2. no healthy problems, except he is telling me he has gout in one toe. He is short and takes XXL clothes, hates to exercise , but no he does walk to the garage once a day!
He too has hassles buying clothes since he is short and wide. Genetics will always help in the health area: all his brothers and sisters are overweight and still alive and healthy.
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I don’t think these problems are even limited to ‘standard’ plus sizes – I think the issue of ill-fitting, poor quality clothing is becoming an issue for every size in Australia! I had a very depressing incident of trying to find work clothes at Chadstone the other week. I’m a 12/14 with reasonable hips and a huge bust and no matter what I tried on, the clothes looked horrendous. Ill fitting, horrible material. Myer was a complete joke. Country Road had some things but if you can’t afford $100 and upwards on one top, where do you go? My size 10/12 best friend has the same issues. Trying to find a dress for her birthday she burst into tears in a changing room. It seems that if you have curves and aren’t built like a 12 yr old boy your choices in Australian stores are very limited.I buy a lot from Asos and Topshop. I have little sympathy for the retailers at the moment! They need to cop on.
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“It seems that if you have curves and aren’t built like a 12 yr old boy your choices in Australian stores are very limited”
As someone who doesn’t have curves and is built like a 12yo boy but with slightly bigger hips, let me tell you that buying clothes is bloody difficult and depressing as almost everything is too big, and you have the added insult of feeling like you don’t look like a woman. Necklines that gape due to your lack of cleavage? Pants that don’t sit snug around your bum? Looking like you’re playing dress-ups in adult’s clothes?
The grass isn’t always greener.
Also, as much as people say we are shaped like children…children’s clothing NEVER fits. …sadly, I tried.
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I’m fairly slim and can vouch that mass produced retailers are just shite these days. I have walked into many a chain store and found the clothes looked awful on me – I think the problem is they’re using cheap low quality materials which wouldn’t flatter anyone! You’re so right – they need to up their game!
I live in Canada and we have a Topshop in my city – yay – and the quality there is pretty good… I’ve got some lovely tailored dresses that flatter
Topshop for the win!
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Clothes in aus aren’t made for boobs and bums. I always need to buy those stretchy jeans otherwise can’t wear jeans because they hurt and dig into my large hips. I have hourglass figure- big boobs, thin limbs, fat bum and hips. Weird figure so only 50s style stuff fits me. Bring back the 50s!
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Amen!! I am a pear shape so my waist is a full size smaller than my hips. Eloquii.com is a new plus size effort by the american brand The Limited and they have a “curve” jean that is designed just for this type of body. Also, not sure what size you are, but Jeanswest has a “curve” jean in sizes 18 and 20 that is a full size bigger in the hips than in the waist and they are the only jeans in this country that have fit me thusfar, no joke.
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I am exactly the same!
I swear I was born in the wrong era!
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Not a weird figure at all Coco – I call myself a cello (via Trinny & Susannah) – but a lot of shops don’t really cater for us. I love that retro styles are making a comeback
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Or..when I went into a shop in Wynyard Station in Sydney and I inquired why they don’t have larger sizes such as size 14 the male owner basically said to me that bigger women tend to wear boring, predictable clothes and slimmer woman are more experimental in what they wear. He might as well said I only deserved – a size 14 – to wear tent like clothes and that being bigger meant I had no creativity whatsoever. That said I told him I didn’t understand his logic and walked out. Nonetheless a couple of months later he was out of business. His clothes were lovely but he just didn’t want to listen. Also…he had the very irritating habit of standing outside his shop watching trade go by. It should be belted into retail owners NOT to do this. It’s seriously not a good look. It looks desparate and that’s a turn-off.
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boring and predictable because thats all there is to dress us in.
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I am 155cm and currently 72kgs wearing a size 14-16
Trying to get motivated to go to the gym and lose some weight but its all about finding the time – or making the time – with 3 kids to run around after the first thing that goes is “Mummy’s Me Time” I am sure I am not alone here
I have read with interest lots of comments about shopping online and wonder which websites are the best?
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I am from the U.S. so I pretty much shop only from U.S. sites but I know there might be some decent Aussie ones someone else might be able to to share, I’ve just never liked the stuff at Autograph or the like, still too mature for me. I buy all my clothes from victoriassecret.com, ae.com, gap.com, oldnavy.com, nordstrom.com, torrid.com, and Avenue.com ships to Aus but I’ve yet to buy anything from there because they’ve only recently started offering intl. shipping. There’s also Evans.co.uk, Style369.com, Asos.com, dorothyperkins.com all of which I’ve bought from at some point. The great thing about shopping shops in the northern hemisphere is that their seasons are opposite to ours so they’ll be having massive clearances on winter stock to make way for their spring collection right when Autumn is upon us down here. I should say I’m a U.S. 16-18 though, so some of these shops might not have bigger than a U.S. 20 (same as a plus size 20 here.) I’m not sure.
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I am a size 18 to 22 – depending on the brand and style and it can be difficult to get clothes to fit. I have been smaller and bigger and in each range it is difficult. At the lower end (16 to 18) you sit on the edge of “normal” sizing. So for example at Target a 18 in standard is too small but a 18 in the plus is too big. At the top end (24 to 26) there just isn’t much in the way of choice. Alot of the plus size shops/ designers don’t cater past at 22.
I have found that I need to be much more informed. I read some plus size fashion blogs for ideas (Frocks and Frou Frou, Danimezza, Suger Coat It are some). I have liked stores on Facebook to get updates on specials, new arrivals. I browse and shop on online. I know what suits me and what doesn’t. You also need to be prepared to grab something if something special comes up as good stuff will sellout fast !
My favourites are Autograph, City Chic, ASOS & Virtu (FREE Postage !!). I also get things at Katies and Crossroads. Myer has a good section as well. I got a couple of Leona Edminston dresses from her Plus range which was awesome.
I think things are changing. There are more chain stores going up to a 22 now. It would be great if there was a better standard for sizing. It would make it so much easier.
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I have this exact same problem as a size 18, standard sizes that go up to 18 are too small (invariably too short) and plus size shops are too big (apparently hey think fat women are all amazonian height). I buy 99% of my clothing online from the US
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This is my exact problem as well! Kudos to shops actually trying to carry a size 18 in the first place, but the disparity between an 18 at Jeanswest vs an 18 in a plus size department is massive. I wear a size 12 or 14 in plus size shops which is really confusing and irritating. Why can’t they label it the size it actually is? I mostly buy my clothes from ae.com and gap.com and I’ve bought tops from asos but their Curve line is too big for me. I think they’ve added 18 to it now though whereas it used to only start at 20 so maybe I’ll have a look.
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What annoys me the most is finding a top that actually fits my size 14 d cup, but then is tapered in towards the hips, aren’t I allowed to have a hip measurement bigger than a size 6?
I am only 5 ft (152 cms) and my hips are wider than my waist line. So even the styles are designed for the boy shaped model style, you don’t have to be overweight to be “curvy” . God help those who are overweight, which is their choice and they can be overweight and healthy!!!!
Recently I found a dress shop in a small suburb that catered for “mature” figures: their ad. What fun I have had, and so have a few of my size 18 and 20 friends. Clothes that make them look good, only problem is they are a little pricey. But good quality and we will wear them to death.
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I’m a 16 b cup with size 18 waist and 20 hips (extreme pear shape) so I feel you on that. I can buy drapey tops almost anywhere because my boobs are so tiny that I can fit an xl most places, but the minute the style becomes more fitted there’s no way that xl is going to go over my hips. I’ve always had this problem though, not just because I’m plus size now. it was the same when I wore a 10 a cup with a 12 waist and 14 hips.
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sorry just got back on line
I live in Newcastle and the little dress shop is in Lambton
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Thanks! Too bad, I’m in Victoria
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One of the problems here is that not all styles are suited to go from 6-26. Some styles will suit a larger frame, some will look better on smaller ladies. You can’t just make one item of clothing in such a huge range of sizes and expect it to flatter and suit every size.
Most retailers have a certain ‘look’ which might not translate across the entire size spectrum. I worked in fashion retail for over 10 years.
When I worked in a young womens store, all the 6-12s would sell out and we would be left with almost all of the 14-16s which then had to be discounted or sent to a DFO. Conversely, when I worked at a store aimed more at mums/middle aged women, the larger sizes sold better.
So whilst I agree there should definitely be more plus sized clothing around, it might make more commercial sense to have more plus sized / petites specialty stores, rather than having all stores go from the very smallest to the very largest.
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Oh god, I’m only 28 but as a mum I’m being grouped with middle aged women. I guess I left any interest in fashion in the maternity ward, off to Millers I go.
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Millers is total crap these days. It was always a bit dodgy, but as a mature plus size I could always find something hidden away. They now cater for much younger women (doesn’t everyone?) and their range is just awful. As well as being cheap it looks cheap.
Some of my longest wearing most comfortable tops have come from Millers, so I’m dead peed off with them.
May their profits collapse.
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Hey Jen, I didn’t mean that once you become a mum you are suddenly grouped in with older women, I just meant the particular store (it was Sussan) had a lot of relaxed casual clothes that loads of mums would come and buy. In fact, Mothers Day used to be busier for us than Christmas!
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I agree that not all styles translate well into larger sizes. Plus sized bodies have different curves to them that require that the item be designed to flatter them. Just scaling up something that was designed for a size 6 or 8 will usually not work. So I’m not surprised that a lot of the larger sizes would not sell well – probably because they fitted awfully.
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This is exactly my problem – I am not plus sized shaped, but I wear big sizes (16 give or take) which apparently equals plus sized. Plus sized gear is designed for big all over, and apparently you can’t be tall and fat either. Like I said elsewhere, in my experience at City Chic and Target, unless it’s a tight top (which have been great for my big boobs and the length), it hangs like a wet pillowcase! Even when I was pregnant I looked like a little girl in Mummy’s clothes.
If stuff is designed for a size 10 with boobs, hips and a waist, it still should fit a 16 or 18 with boobs, hips and waist!
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What’s been annoying me lately is how different sizing is. In my wardrobe I have clothes ranging from size 8-14 and they all fit me (but having recently lost some weight the 14s are a little bit loose but still fit). This makes it incredibly difficult to buy online. Luckily on ASOS the UK12 fits me well in a certain style, but you can never assume that if you have mostly size 12 clothing that size 12 will fit you in all shops. I wish there was universal or even just Australia wide sizing that meant that every size 8 or whatever size was the same in every shop. Even today, I was shopping for a dress for a ball and went to the sales rack at a Bridal Store, I tried on a size 8 and a size 12 and they both fit me! It’s ridiculous! But on the good side, got a gorgeous dress for the ball that was $29 down from $279!!!!
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I love that everyone automatically assumes that petite women are catered for in terms of clothes and apparently find it easy to find clothes that fit. Well, actually we don’t. I think one of the main problems is vanity sizing, and it’s a pain in the arse for those of us that are small. It seems as though if you don’t fit into the 8-12 size range (and are in perfect proportion) then you really struggle to find clothes.
Also, some of those women in the pictures don’t look plus size at all, they just look normal. And yet some are morbidly obese – and I don’t think it’s in any way healthy to promote obesity as just plus sized or curvy.
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I whole-heartedly agree. My sister is naturally a size 4-6. She’s just small, and always has been. She gets picked on so much more than I ever did growing up about eating disorders and being called a stick and a twig. She can’t find clothes that fit either. She’s that 2% of the population that’s actually naturally built like a runway model and she can’t find clothes. I’ve actually wondered this about smaller sizes also because the difference between a size 6 and a size 8 is HUGE, it would be considered 2 full sizes up in the U.S. and same between an 8 and a 10. I think there’s a prob in Australia because some designers finally are jumping on the vanity sizing bandwagon while others just aren’t and so the disparity between sizing from shop to shop is enormous. I hear you.
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Me too. And when they’ve upsized the clothes and the smallest size is still an 8, then the little people fall off the end of the sizes – the smallest one will be miles too big. I used to fit a size 10 and now I’m lucky if I can find a size 6. But I still weight the same.
And it’s not much fun to be picked on at morning tea just because it’s okay to taunt the tiny sized people.
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Totally agree with you! My sister is small, and sometimes struggles to find clothes because the 6 will be a bit small and the 8 might be a bit too big. Petite women struggle too! She even had to get her size 6 formal dress taken in because it was too big. And she isn’t anorexic, like you wouldnt pass her and think “wow she’s too thin”. I think everyone struggles to find clothes at some point.
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I know that feeling too well! I hate clothes shopping because of it. Especially for pants. I (kind of) have hips, but not a big bum/thighs. So quite often jeans are too tight in the band, but okay in the bum and legs. When I get the size 8 which fits in the band, it is way too big in bum and legs.
Or the size 6 is just too big generally, that happens a lot!
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I almost never wear pants because none of them fit me! I’m usually a 8-10 (though my wardrobe has everything from 6-16), and because I have a butt and chunky thighs but a small waist, all pants that fit me will gape at the waist.
I think it’s a bit disingenuous when people act like this is a “big girls’ problem”, when really, it’s everybody’s problem. When you mass produce clothing, it’s not going to fit everyone – there is too much variation in body shapes and sizes to cater to everyone!
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Even though it would be annoying to have to go to the hassle and spend the money on tailoring, it’s a lot easier to make something fit better than making something appear out of thin air.
At least if you’re smaller, you can take away fabric. You can’t magically make more fabric appear to make it plus size.
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It might seem that we’re luckier that we can have our clothes tailored. But when you try on a size six and it slips straight off your (non-existent) hips and then have about 5 inches excess at the bottom, it’s really quite annoying. And then you have to spend money on top to get it tailored. I really wish Aussie retailers would introduce size 4 and the petite/tall concept.
Also (and I don’t mean to be bitchy when I say this) but there are stores that cater for plus sizes exclusively (how good they are, I have no idea) while there are no stores that cater for only petites, especially those of us that are really short.
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Mum gets petites stuff from Myer. They used to have a petites range but I think she said they’ve canned that and it’s all mixed in, but it is there.
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That is a load of crap. Obviously you’ve never had to have anything take in. You can’t magically take fabric away and have the garment look the way it is supposed to either in many cases. Many items would have to have zips moved or the whole garment reworked to take it in. Only if you are lucky, can you get away with a couple of darts or running a seam in. Mostly it is not worth adjusting it because then it still looks all wrong anyway.
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I don’t expect fashion labels to make their current collectionss and just upscale them for plus sized customers, that doesnt seem realistic to me.
Because you can’t just take an item of clothing designed for a size 6 model and magnify it to fit someone over size 16.
However, I would be all for fashion labels having plus sized collections, then they would have to think about a plus sized body, and ways to flatter it and produce quality fashion pieces that will actually suit a plus sized body type.
It would be good to see more plus sized clothes with some thought behind them, other than elastacised waists and tent like shirts.
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Hi Mamamia,
Perhaps a follow up article with some hints about where to shop for your taste and budget? I think from the comments your readers would be interested in that.
Also Shipito.com is useful to know about. They provide you with an address in the US and forward your parcel to you.
One of my favourite shops is eshakti.com. For $7 they custom make your items. Good for tall and short women, curvy women all women really as we are all different. I also quite like a retro look and
http://cherryvelvetplus.com/ are having a sale tomorrow.
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My beautiful sister is morbidly obese, as are quite a few of my good friends. Ever since this whole “skinny backlash” started up they seem to have warped the message to fit their needs and now use it as justification – or a crutch – for their obesity. They don’t seem to understand the heart of the movement, which is that women come in all shapes and sizes. They don’t understand that plenty of women get offended by the endless portrayal of skinniness, supposedly our most desirable physical trait. And not just obese women, or chubby women, but healthy women too. It undermines most of us. It affects all of us. However what also offends me is the whole “real women have curves” campaign, which I suppose started as a backlash to the skinny saturation in media. What happens when you are neither? Neither plus sized or super thin? Unfortunately (or fortunately?) for me, I don’t fit into either camp. I am certainly not skinny, and would never be able to realistically describe myself as voluptuous or curvy. Does that make me less of a “real woman”?
Here’s the thing. WE ARE ALL REAL WOMEN. We are all real and beautiful and flawed and perfect all at the same time, and size isn’t the issue. It never should have been. The issue is, and should always be this. HEALTH.
Now, think about it. Think of the women you know. The women you work with, the women in your family, your best of friends. How many of them would honestly be healthy, and honouring their bodies, and being their best possible selves, if they were a size 0? Or a size 4? Or even a size 6? Some of them, maybe, sure, but my guess is that they would be in the minority. Now think of these same women, and picture them at a size 18, or 20, or 24. Would they TRULY be happy, getting the most out of their lives, and fully participating in their own state of being if they were morbidly obese? Chances are they would not, and therein lies the core issue for me.
I am not debating that some people can be fully functioning, completely healthy people at both ends of this spectrum, but for the vast majority of us to be below a size 8 or above a size 16 we would simply not be happy, well or balanced people.
This may be contentious, but I almost feel like if every shop started catering downwards of a size 8, or upwards of a size 18, we would start to become a society of enablers.
Just because size 16 in Australia is “average” or “normal”, how can that possibly make it “right”?
If size 16 is the average size of women in Australia, certainly I am smaller. But I too have struggles with my weight; it fluctuates, I have fat days, I have been known to comfort eat, I have had bad habits. But these are things that I challenge, every single day, because I want my body to be healthy.
I have seen my sister cry because she can’t find anything to wear, and experienced her sheer delight when she has been able to find clothes online at Torrid or City Chic that have been flattering and well designed. I have held my friend’s hand as she tried on her first pair of (size 18) skinny jeans, and spent many hours discussing my very best friend’s crippling episode with bulimia that had her averaging a size 4. Absolutely, unhealthy people should have options, they should be able to buy clothes and get the same treatment as everyone else. But where do we draw the line? If our women were averaging a size 26 would we be having the same conversation? Or would we be discussing courses of action to heal these people, assist them in rebuilding their self esteem so they could battle their demons and return to a healthy and healthful state, weight and size?
To throw the cat amongst the pigeons, I have seen clothes in City Chic before and thought they were cute, before realising that they didn’t come in my size either, and myself feeling slighted and “other”. I understand how it feels. I go into those stores to buy items for my sister and the sales girls don’t want to assist me, or make me feel unwelcome, like I’m the enemy. As an obese person, I’m sure it would hurt to feel like this every day. But my size is healthy. Their size is not. Why should I feel bad because I choose to fight my demons, confront my issues, and win the battle to love my body and treat it with respect?
I don’t know what the answer is. I really don’t. Because while I think everyone deserves the right to fit into their clothes and feel beautiful, I don’t know where we draw the line to make people take responsibility for their own health, wellbeing, and by extension, appearance.
It really is tough on all of us, and hopefully through discussion like this we can get closer to the answer.
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Ok. You don’t know how it feels because you went into City Chic once and they didn’t have your size. lol You have nooo idea. But I do hear what you’re saying. Yours isn’t a popular opinion, especially among the size 16+ group but I do see where you’re coming from. That said, your opinion assumes that all women over a size 14 are unhealthy, that they are all overweight and all obese which is not at all true in my case. But even if it was, even If I was a size 26, how unfair to say society is “enabling” my obesity by offering cute clothes in my size. How unfair that I should have to wear the scarlet letter of obesity that is a tent of mumu because it’s the only thing that fit. Do you really think society can ostracise women into losing weight simply by restricting their fashion choices? Obviously not because pickin’s are slim and obesity is on the rise in this country. It *is* epidemic.
But what if we were to give all women the benefit of the doubt. What if we were to assume all women are losing weight, they’re in the gym, they’re eating right. Today they are a 26 but in 6 months they will be a 24. And in 12 months they will be a 22. Why should they be excluded from fashion simply because they aren’t a size 14? And can I just say a size 14 is TINY for a lot of women. When I am a size 14, you might guess me at a size 10 because of how I’m built. And when I’m a size 10? I’m emaciated. Don’t assume every woman over a 14 is unhealthy or that every woman would look worse as a 16. For those women who are perfectly healthy and not a gram overweight at a size 16, why punish them?
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I absolutely made a point of recognizing that people can be healthy outside of conventional sizing, and I don’t believe I was making assumptions. My experience and point of view is every bit as valid as yours Mel, and I think that you telling me I have no idea is both offensive and inaccurate. I am a conventional size, but I too have trouble finding clothes that suit my body shape. I have “regular” stores I can’t shop in. It is impossible for me to buy pants because of the shape of my lower body. I don’t know one woman that can walk into a store and buy whatever she wants straight off the rack. We ALL have our issues, and this is why I stated that I don’t think the issue is all about size.
At no point did I say ostracizing was a good idea. I definitely don’t think people should be punished for their obesity, or that there should be a “scarlet letter” mentality when it comes to the clothes that are available. In no way do these statements reflect my beliefs.
I never said that all women over size 14 are unhealthy, and that isn’t an accurate reflection of my thoughts either. I don’t know how carefully you read my response but you seem to be jumping on a bunch of points that you assumed I was making but didn’t actually make.
I certainly conceded that I’m a little conflicted and not sure what the best way would be to proceed.
I am also neither suprised, nor offended, that mine isn’t a “popular” opinion. The majority of my family is obese. At least 50 percent of my friends are obese. I love them all dearly. And I can only speak of my own experiences in relation to the mentality that I see reflected in them. They, for the most part, ignore their health issues, make excuses, hide their bad habits and do what they can to kid themselves that their obese state is normal, desirable, or unchangeable. Every time my mum buys my sister chocolate, I see it as enabling. Every time my friends bang on about “real women blah blah blah” I see their lack of self esteem through their eyes. I am well aware that this isn’t necessarily a reflection on all obese people, but this is the knowledge I posess owing to the experiences I have had, and in no way is this less educated, valid or thoughtful than your own.
My thoughts on this matter, though admittedly not as well formed as I would like them to be, come from a positive place. A place of concern for the people I love. Maybe I am making it about a different issue; not “why aren’t there clothes available for obese people” but “why are these people obese in the first place”.
And this is the problem we have in so many facets of wellbeing in this society. We are constantly dealing with or catering to symptoms instead of causes. It shouldn’t be “how can we get people to quit smoking”, but “why are these people smoking in the first place and how do we fix it?”. Why is it “Why aren’t there clothes available for obese people” as opposed to “Why is the average weight of our society rising and making people unhealthy, and how do we stop it?”
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“I think that you telling me I have no idea is both offensive and inaccurate”
If (for example) 10% of stores cater for plus-sizes, then that’s 90% which cater for people who aren’t plus size. When you say a dress in City Chic didn’t fit you, you’re forgetting that you also have the option of shopping in the other 90% of stores, while most City Chic customers don’t.
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But that doesn’t mean that 100% of the clothing in 90% of the shops fits me poroperly Lulu. Not every store caters for everyones tastes and proportions. I find City Chics fabrics and quality to be nicer than many conventional sized stores. My point there is that everyone has trouble finding clothes, not just plus sized girls. I’m honestly suprised that that is the one point everyone seems to be jumping on!
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No, you’re right actually. You said the majority of people wouldn’t be “happy” or “well” at a size 16 or larger. I don’t have the energy or patience to nitpick on technicalities here however. I said I understand where you’re coming from and I do. But the first overriding message I get from your comments is that you somehow think you know what it’s like to be plus size because you know what it’s like to go in a store and something not to fit. Try going into every single store in the entire shopping center, save one or two, and every single thing on the rack doesn’t even come in your size, forget about having to worry about whether it’s going to fit well or not. I appreciate that you’re trying to relate, but you really can’t and no amount of stomping your feet is going to convince anyone.
The second overriding message I get from your comments is that you believe most women to be “unhappy” and not “well” if they are a 16. Fair enough, whatever. Maybe. Who can say? Explain to me then how not being able to buy clothes in their size is helping these unhappy unwell women in any way?
This article is not about “big is beautiful” or “real women have curves” because I’m right there with you on that. Obesity is not beautiful, it’s dangerous. However, this article IS about women being able to easily shop for their size and that has nothing to do with embracing obesity and everything to do with the industry stepping up to meet the average woman. That’s my point.
If you feel like those two overriding messages I’ve found are not at all the point you wanted to get across, you should probably clarify what your point actually is because I can’t find it.
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Hey guys,
Just a reminder to stick to the comment guidelines.
If comments are rude or abusive, we’ll be deleting.
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I am a plus sized girl, who exercises, eats healthily and generally lives a healthy lifestyle. Yet I can’t fit into anything except socks at the stores that you shop at.
You cannot possibly know every single reason behind being overweight or obese in the world. Did you know that I have had a life-long lung condition that means I am on steroids that would knock the aforementioned socks off your little toes? This is the reason that I am overweight. God knows that I have tried everything under the sun to lose weight. You should see me slogging it out in the gym and eating my portioned controlled meals. Who knows? Maybe I am actually healthier than you! Imagine that!
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Size 16 and proud:
I don’t assume that I know every reason for obesity. I only know what I have seen and experienced, and I am speaking according to the knowledge that I have.
I was in no way trying to garner sympathy regarding my clothing choices; rather try to highlight the fact that shopping within conventional sizes isn’t always a picnic, even for those of us supposedly within that range.
Not that my opinion on your weight should mean anything at all, but it is fantastic that you do everything within your power to lead a healthy, balanced lifestyle and I honestly think that you are doing a great job or making the best of yourself. Of course I can imagine you being healthy, healthier than the average person and quite possibly healthier than me.
I have never tried to grandstand in this post or hold myself up as an example in any way. I find it interesting that that is the way my opinion is being read.
I also find it interesting that despite my efforts to remain neutral, cohesive, avoid generalisation and honestly voice my opinion with no judgement or vitriol, both you and Mel have responded with condescending and agressive replies.
Why attack me for voicing an opinion? I’m definitely in no way trying to attack you.
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Me too Stella, I wanted to write those words but was too worried that I would get attacked so didn’t bother but now here goes. I find a lot of these campaignes etc are enabling unhealthy eating and behaviour. (NOT in ANY way saying all overweight or size 16 people are unhealthy) but I can tell you now that the amount of overweight people sitting in food courts/mcdonalds eating unhealthy food is out of control. I’m sorry if you can’t find clothes but most of you need to stop eating and start trying to be healthier and I don’t see that when I go to the mall. I see overweight people and more often than not their overweight children eating junk and its very sad. As you said just because size 16 is becoming the norm does not make it right. Australian’s should be consuming less meat and fast food and doing more exercise. I’ll probably get a lot of angry responses to this post but you know what, I DON’T CARE because I am not saying it to you “healthy large size people who can’t lose weight” I’m talking to you overweight teens/mums/dads/kids who are eating fast food and not going to the park and moaning that clothes don’t fit.
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Stella, I think your comment was fairly innocuous, but you were bound to offend someone on this post.
I’ve been on the other end of the weight scale and have had some extraordinarily rude comments, but learned to live with it.
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Hi Faybian, I completely understand and accept your point. Maybe all obesity isn’t controllable but the way we treat our peers certainly is. I think when on a forum designed to promote positive discussion within a wide range of views, it would be fair to expect debate and conversation without resorting to condescension and rudeness when disagreement surfaces. We all need to assume positive intent and not jump down each others throats for having differing opinions and experiences.
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The overriding vibe of your post was pretty positive, but I guess if you’re the one overweight or struggling to find decent clothes you’re probably over sensitive.
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This is what I wanted to write but I couldn’t express myself well enough. Thanks for writing this Stella. Your opinion may be unpopular but I, for one, agree with you.
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You have put into words everything I wanted to say so beautifully.
Thank you!
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Hi Mel,
I wasn’t suggesting that you were/should nitpick, but your comments seemed to be in response to generalised statements that I never made.
I’m not trying to convince anyone that I know exactly how it feels to have a very limited amount of clothes available in my size because I don’t.
I do however understand the frustration of not being able to find clothes that fit me or suit my tastes and that was what I was trying to convey. That was in no way meant to be an overriding point, nor an undermining statement designed to trivialise how awful it must feel for those who believe they are unfairly marginalised in their fashion choices due to their size.
It was just one in a series of thoughts I was expressing.
I don’t feel that in order to post on a forum it is necessary to make a point. The topic is up for discussion, and I was discussing my thoughts, whilst admitting that they were conflicting and that I didn’t have an answer.
This post is encouraging many of us to explore and cement our thoughts and opinions on a very relevant topic, not necessarily for the purpose of “making a point” to others.
You may feel like I’ve gotten off point a little, but that’s what happens to discussion; it evolves.
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Thought I’d show myself as an AUS size 16 (I’m about a 20 now.) My stomach is flat, I’m not clinically overweight let alone obese. So why would a shop like Witchery or FCUK want to force me to starve myself so I could fit into their clothes when I was perfectly happy and healthy at the weight I was?
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Mel, you look stunning.
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16? You look like a 12 in that picture. 14 at a stretch.
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I’m finding it hard to believe you are a 16???? You look about the same as me and I am a 8-10 a 12 if I really push it. I wonder where the heck you are shopping or whether you’re clothes are falling off you.
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Actually the more I look I think that photo is taken at a very flattering angle. I’m not saying you look overweight or a size 16 is unhealthy but I’m sure most size 16 people do not look like that or you are very very tall
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I am a very similar build to Mel I suspect. I am not tall, only 169cm. When I was a size 10 I was 72kg and absolutely skeletal looking… I look best at about 85kg and a size 14. I am now 120kg…but only a size 18-20 (I mean ‘only’ in terms of size to weight ratio) I carry my weight weird! I told my best friend who has known me for 20 years and has always found it hard to marry how I look with size I am. She would NOT believe me until I got on the scales with her there. She is a size 16 and only 80kg, and said she would have guessed I was a size 18 and tops 90kg. We are all SO different.
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Ok point taken Cath I guess some people just carry weight differently. I wouldn’t have thought that 72 kgs was a size 10 either as I weigh quite a bit less than that and fit size 10. I guess people should work on their BMI and not body weight and size anyway.
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Exactly… my mum is taller than me, but to be a size 10 she needs to be under 60kg… I take after dad’s side of the family. Broad shoulders, very (like weirdly) strong, muscly arse and thighs, but hips and bust are exact same measurement (always within 1cm) and I have a definite waist. Prior to kids my tummy was always flat, even when I was a size 16. And for most women 6kg or so is the difference in a dress size – for me it’s closer to 12-15kg. Not what you would expect from a fair skinned, auburn haired gal with English/Scottish heritage!
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This is a bit off topic, but I have so much trouble finding bras in my size – 8A, but it seems like 8B would fit better or (if they exist) 6B. Sizes only seem to go down to 10A. The only place I can find bras in this size is Target, but they are all aimed at teenage girls. Anyone else have this problem?
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Yes! I find it really difficult to find bras that fit, I would ideally be an 8A but like you say these are few and far between. Not to mention trying to buy nice tops that don’t require significant cleavage!!
I’m naturally a 4-6 and have been very slim all my life. It can be really difficult to find clothes that fit, and many stores seem to be ‘upsizing’ their sizes so where a size 8 used to fit me, now its huge and unless the brand starts making 4-6 (most don’t) they’ll be way too big.
I understand that larger ladies would find it frustrating and embarrassing to not find their size in a particular store; but conversely imagine having to consider looking in the Kids department to find something that fits – especially it that’s the pre-teen bra section!! Not fun to go to the checkout with a bra labeled ‘my first bra’ at age 18 – i’m not exaggerating!
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I love online shopping. For the first time in my life I’m wearing exactly what I want to wear. And like a lot of women I’ve been under the magical 14 and over it. People have different taste, but whatever you want you can get it now. I have also given up mainstream magazines. I follow fashion blogs using bloglovin where people are very generous about sharing their looks and tips. I actually get a shock now when I see the standard underweight model. Many many times people have been quite adamant that they know where I bought an item of clothing and I have to tell them.. It doesn’t come in your size! So embrace the choices out their curvettes because they are definitely there! Retailers’ challenge is to lift their service in terms of the products they supply but also they need to think about how they can make shopping a pleasurable EXPERIENCE. When I feel like a lovely shopping experience I go to Alannah Hill and buy a cheerful, flower, hat or bauble. Great service there and the bags! Gorgeous…
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