
(Photo credit: Berlei Curves)
The average Australian woman is around a size 16.
But you wouldn’t know that if you walked into most fashion stores. Overwhelmingly, the shops are filled with Barbie-shaped mannequins and racks of clothes that seem to stop at size 12.
But a new report has found all those clothes targeted only to women size 8-14 are doing retailers no favours. The Choice Consumer report suggests retailers are missing out on profits because they only sell clothes that fit a limited number of women – and by doing so they’re ignoring larger sizes and a larger market.
The demand is there, but the sizes are not.
Choice says an increasing number of females say they’re forced to shop online or at chain stores because they can’t fit the stylish clothes sold in shopping malls or high street stores.
Retailers who say they are struggling should consider expanding their range to fit the growing number of women who wear size 16 and above, Choice spokeswoman Ingrid Just says.
“What we’re essentially identifying is that there is a whole market out there that many designers and retailers aren’t necessarily tapping into,” Ms Just said.
“Consumers are finding themselves quite frustrated by not being able to buy clothes that suit their bodies.”
The report also found that women’s fashion ranges come “crashing to a halt” at size 14 and that where larger items are available, they’re coming at a price – sometimes retailing for double the amount of similar items in smaller sizes.
Could these be the same retailers who are crying poor because everyone’s shopping with online stores in the UK and the US?
If so, why aren’t designers and retailers tapping into the MAJORITY of the market and making a profit? Anyone?
Choice suggests that some retailers shun plus sizes because they only want their brands associated with slim people. Call it fashion snobbery. In the same way the vast majority of fashion retailers advertise their brands using extremely tall, size 8 (Photoshopped) models, this same principle is echoed by the racks in-store; the labels are controlling who wears their clothes by excluding plus-sizes from their range.
Plus-size fashion designer Megan Moir Pardy said she started her fashion label, Damn You Alexis, because of the lack of labels catering to plus sizes.
She said there’s three reasons Australian labels are ignoring plus size women.
1. The cost and fear of changing patterns to suit a curvier figure. The grading between sizes 6 and 12 is quite uniform but when you get up to sizes 16 to 24 women put on weight in vastly different ways and the pattern needs to be adjusted to make the garment work.
2. The stigma attached to a plus size clothing. The cooler, edgier labels have a reputation that the customer wants to buy into. Plus sizes aren’t part of that.
3. They simply don’t think plus size women want fashionable clothes. There is a mentality that if you really wanted to wear fashion, you would lose weight.
And she said the Choice’s spokeswoman was voicing an opinion “plus women have been shouting about for years! There is a huge market out there for labels willing to embrace it. In a challenged retail market I’m really surprised more Australian labels aren’t increasing their size range to include plus.”
And maybe if they did they’d be making (plus) money.

Tara Lynn and Crystal Renn on the cover of The Times magazine (Photoshopped image)
What’s been your experience with finding clothes you like in sizes that fit you?







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Where are all the plus size clothes? Sitting with passionate designers like myself trying to break the boutique owners mentality that picking up a plus size label is a good thing! Check it out! http://www.camillajayne.com
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Love your designs! I only wish your cute dresses were a bit longer. Not all plus size girls are 5’5″
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I spend, on average, $3000 annually on clothing for my family. I am plus sized, as is my hubby. The kids are pretty normal as far as their growth charts go. Of the money I spent in 2012, $120 of it was spent in a shop. The rest was spent in online stores & most of these were offshore businesses.
Do I feel bad about contributing to the demise of the bricks & mortar store? Hell no! If I could find what I wanted I would absolutely buy from a shop but when they belligerently refuse to stick clothing that caters to the changing shape of Australia then I will steadfastly refuse to give them my hard earned money!
Today is a prime example. I have joined a gym. It’s a great family owned gym with great staff, a crèche for the kids & a friendly atmosphere. So far I have been wearing baggy t-shirts & shorts as it has been all I could find in my size locally. Last night the gym owner suggested I should look for something “less flowy” as it is hampering my efforts & I would get a whole lot more out of my time in the gym if I wasn’t constantly getting “bunched up” in my clothing (he was super nice about it & said that I’ll be more comfortable if I switch to proper gym clothing). Anyway, I went into two major shopping malls (about an hour away from my country town) & not a single one of the EIGHT sports stores or FIVE department stores stocked gym clothing in anything over a size 16 (& the size 16s were pretty thin on the ground too).
So I came home feeling pretty humiliated & dejected. I got on my computer & googled “plus size sportswear” & millions of results appeared…most of them were US or UK businesses but they all offered pretty great postage rates & a very quick delivery. So, $495 later I now have 2 sets of gym clothes in my current size (AU20) & 2 sets in AU18…that’s $479 that I would have been more than happy to spend in a shop if only they stocked what I wanted!
Now I am looking for a pair of gym shoes & although my local stores stock them I think I will go & try them on in-store to get a good fit but buy them online because I am so loathe to give them ANY money after the shitty day they all contributed to today!
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Well, sizing is only one problem, length is, too, whether one is short or tall. Also fabrics are not pre-shrunk before being made into garments and laundering them renders them too small, either too short, too narrow or -in the case of fabrics rarely being cut on the bias before garment construction– twisted and out of shape after laundering. Zippers don’t last long, buttons commonly fall off after a few wearings, hems come undone and sleeve seams twist. I have lived in the US, UK and many points in between and these problems seem now universal as of about 2000-2001.
As for laundering, that is the biggest problem; many clothes are not made with pre-shrunk cloth and so labeling often indicates that garments should not be dried in a tumble dryer. Not everyone has out door drying areas and in climates like the UK where it is damp and rainy much of the time, this is impractical, and no one wants wet clothes hanging all over the house for days on end.
In terms of climate, most climates are becoming colder. This is especially true in the UK; summers are now as chilly as winters a decade ago, yet fabrics for so-called winter clothes are thinner and thinner. Oftentimes, one can hold a winter garment up to the light and look right through it!
Yes, retailers are seeing profits fall for good reasons. But they are not listening to customers, and in the odd instance that they do, they do not pass this onto their suppliers. It used to be (in the 1960′s) we children got clothes in Autumn and they lasted all year until the next Autumn. Now, if a buyer wants to get clothes like that a sweater or cardigan will cost hundreds and hundreds in any currency. Since when did decent clothes become an exclusive offering to the rich?
I now have a sewing machine, but am having difficulty finding fabric that is very good quality.
All this is a growing problem, and like many consumers I have stopped buying clothes in shops and now only buy on line, but return many things for the reasons listed above.
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You would think that smart businesses would keep tabs on what they sell. I go to a selection of stores (even some of the larger chain stores) that have upto a size 20 and first sizes they run out of are the 18 and 20.. this is also the same when shopping online…. these sizes are commonly “sold out”, when all other sizes are still available.
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I love this article. I am a size 14-16 with a G cup and find clothes almost impossible to find. Something needs to change. I would be happy to give these stores my money!
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Buy online! Calvin Klein and Tahari have great plus-sized ranges.
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The whole designers don’t want to have plus sized makes no sense after a visit to the US where so many of the top designers have a plus sized range…. Michael Kors, Ralph Lauren, Calvin Klein, Levis the list goes on….
For some reason Australian retailers won’t stock there awesome pieces… so I just buy online or do a shopping trip and Oz misses out..
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I gotta say as an Aussie girl with a medical condition that puts me at a size 20 – I NEVER buy in stores. Why would I? All the sizes are misrepresented (I couldn’t fit into a size 22 jeans at Millers, when the jeans I was wearing from KMart were 18).
And have you looked at plus size clothing of late – unless you pay big $$ from Autograph (who have lovely fashion), you must needs buy clothes in the form of sweat pants and shirts or look like your grandmother misplaced her washing.
Now I buy overseas on ebay because the sizes are real – they have clothes that make me look like a girl, not a grandmother and the sellers are women who understand the plus size girls dilemma. ergo = no judgement.
Australia is retarded in regards to treating plus size girls respectfully. And I use the term retarded in its literal capacity.
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I work for a group of well know fashion brands, covering a range of demographics in stores all over Australia. We barely sell 14s and struggle even with 12s across all of our brands to be completely honest. This is why we don’t make 16s. We simply end up with clearance stores full of larger sizes.
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That’s probably because there are peeps out there LARGER than 16s!
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I wonder if this is Supre…
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I am a plus size and have learnt to find clothes in a variety of places… I relish the hunt for clothing and have never found it difficult to look and feel good!
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For those in Sydney – More Than A Handful http://www.morethanahandful.com.au – is a must for larger busted women. The only place I could find a size 8 bra. I believe they are also now stocking plus sized clothing. Check it out!!!
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After reading this article I wandered into Witchery last night and noticed that they have introduced size 16 clothes into their ranges. They had signage bragging about how amazing they were for doing this. I’m a size 10-12 and have fluctuated up to a 14 previously, but I must say I have never realised that some stores like Witchery (I’m assuming, as you are saying, that there are more) who don’t stock size 16 and above. Whether a size 16 or above is healthy or not is not the point here, people still deserve to be able to find clothes that fit well and look nice. I have a lot of difficulty finding bras that fit with an E cup size and a 10-12 back…when I don’t want a strap as thick as a ruler, or to pay $150 per bra. I think that comes into this same debate, retailers need to look at what socitey, their customers and potential customers, need from them and provide that. Perhaps that will help them with their bottom line in this tough retail environment.
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Isn’t it sad that the average size of an Australian woman is a size 16. I’m more concerned about that, then there’s not being enough diversity in their clothes.
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I agree. That’s not a comment on women sized 16+, its a concern that that’s our average
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I hover between a 16 and 18 but also have a very small bust. It’s about womens body shapes, not just their waist size! If I buy shirts at a 16 or 18 they gape so badly in the front where I’m SUPPOSED to have a sz16/18 boob size to go with my broad shoulders and curvy waistline, well I dont!
I basically do 80% of my clothes shopping online, both for the better variety it gives me in the ‘plus sizes’ that I wear, but also for cost. I *could* shop at City Chic, but sorry the idea of paying over $100 for a pair of jeans or a dress doesn’t do it for me. YES I know it is claimed that plus sized clothing has to be more expensive because it takes more material to make than a tiny size 6 version of the same dress, but internet shopping has shown me that larger sizes don’t have to cost the earth.
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I am fed up with not being able to find any clothing in Australia that accommodates larger than a C cup. I wear a size 10 in the US and nothing in Australia fits my D’s unless im looking at size 16-18 which don’t fit anywhere else. What gives?
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I’ve been a size 10 my whole life. At five months pregnant, and around 67kg, nothing fits. Walked into a very popular shop tonight, totally not designer, at Wynyard station…. And only Ls fit. For the first time I truly get the plus size debate. Appalling.
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I’d love to see more suitable clothing for tall gals. At 6ft, most cute dresses are so short, you can see what I ate for breakfast (ham and cheese croissant).
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I hate it when trouser legs sit about 5cm above my ankles and the shop assistant tells me that they look fine. No, I say, it looks like the trousers are too short.
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Women come in all shapes and sizes – big boobs, small boobs, broad hips, narrow hips, etc – but the problem is that the more weight you carry, the more those differences are accentuated. So you might have a pair of size 18 pants that works great for a pear-shaped woman, but too tight in the waist and baggy in the bum for an apple shape. That’s one of the reasons plus-sized clothing might not look so great. And who wants to wear some one-size-fits-all kaftan? Plus-size women still want well-tailored, flattering silhouettes as much as any other woman.
I am so SICK of reading all the judgemental comments along the lines of “you should just lose weight, it’s bad for your health” because they’re usually not motivated by genuine concern but prejudice, snobbery and sanctimony. I don’t lecture others for either directly or indirectly partaking in activities that may put their health at risk. You can smoke, drink, abseil, ride a motorbike, or smoke crack and not expect a lecture from me. I don’t know you. I assume you’re an adult and can make your own decisions. And without being aware of all the circumstances and factors surrounding your situation, it is not my place to judge.
I wish other blog commenters would practice the same respect and restraint whenever an article about weight crops up.
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I have the same problem but in the opposite direction. I’m a size 6 so IF a store even carries my size they only stock 1 or 2 items. I’m also 153cm tall which means pants, jeans, skirts are always too long. Jacket sleeves extend past my fingertips and fitted dresses fit in all the wrong places. I also have narrow feet so buying shoes is also a nightmare. Im 25 so fully grown unfortunately. My point is…well… I don’t really have a point. It’s just really damn annoying so I feel their pain!
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I agree with officiallyem. I was always a size 8, suddenly the size 8 clothes were huge and then I became a size 6. Now it seems that even the size 6 clothes are getting huge. I have stayed the same size for all of my adult life including post pregnancy, but the clothes are getting bigger and bigger. How big should a 6 be.
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I was just wondering, since when was morbidly obese considered “curvy”? I’m all for better clothing options for larger women, but size 22/24 is not curvy or pleasantly plump. Just saying.
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regardless of their classification in the medical handbook sistas still need ti get dressed… this conversation is not about debating health standards but about pragmatics and self esteem
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it’s just a nicer way to say it… don’t you think
who is gong to want to shop at a store with the name ‘pleasantly plump’ in it..no one that’s who
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Ok probably going to get crucified for this opinion but here goes…..I am a size 10 but when I put on weight clothes just look crap on me. We all know that when you are skinnier (not anorexic or a boy figure) clothing just sits nicer and looks better. Maybe instead of blaming the retailer we should all be looking at how healthy our lifestyle is and trying to make better choices towards losing weight. If there is a genuine reason for being overweight then you need to go to the larger size shops and buy your clothing there but i don’t see why all retailers should subside everybodies unhealthy lifestyle choices.
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A person can be overweight and still need clothes. They also have credit cards don’t they? It’s supply and demand. That’s the issue here.
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Yes but so many people on here are complaining how badly clothes that they buy look and what bad designs etc etc, I was just pointing out that sometimes it is probably harder for clothes too look good on larger people. Might sound harsh but its a fact, and yes there are clothing for large people, I for one know of 2 shops off the top of my head in my mall and I don’t shop in them. If you aren’t happy with the choices then there is alwasy the option of looking at the reason you are a size 16 and over (not talking about people with health issues). I also don’t believe that the average size is size 16, I can’t think of many people I know that are larger than a 14 and when they do make theses sizes mostly people don’t buy them and they end up on sale.
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So if you have a health issue that makes you gain weight you can’t expect to wear fashionable clothes. However, of looking good is a priority then just don’t be overweight – which apparently is above a size 14. Such logic!
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You’re wrong on so many levels here. I am a size 12 and have been most of my life. Most store bought clothes don’t fit. I have had a skinny waist all my life and a big chest and they make me look frumpy. I make my own now, and I look wonderful in them. One of my daughters is a size 8, the other is a size 16 and they all have the same problem. I make or alter theirs too, so they look beautiful. Store bought clothes are made for a body shapes that none of us possess. They are just not making them to fit real people. I think it’s time that Australian standards took the bull by the horns here, and came up with a national measurements standard for clothing (do what berlie did and measure everyone) that actually reflect true sizes, not plastic mannequins.
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So you think if you are overweight you shouldn’t wear clothes? Since when did people have to change their body shape to fit what is available? That’s just ridiculous! I don’t care what size you are, you should be able to buy clothing that fits and looks good and that was made using a human model, not a cardboard cut out. It’s all to do with cost cutting everywhere. Every extra dart you put in a garment costs money, so they leave them out and you a left to choose from a variety of sacks, because that is about what they amount to!
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I won’t crucify you I think dare I say you are a little bit right. But hey what would I know. I do love and prefer curvy women though
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“Retailers missing out on profits’ yes absoultely true. I like to find shirts that fit properly but it is difficult. Sportscraft make okay clothes and size 14 and 16 are the first to go when there is a decent style/cut/fabric/colour. Another big problem when you see a good style is that it is not ‘made’ for a size 14 etc but made for size 6/8 and ‘scaled’ up. Our bodies don’t scale up in proportion the larger we get. It is really frustrating finding the good old gape between buttons on a shirt. Skirts that have to sit above the waist. I never buy dresses. I am happy to spend a little but it is hard to find the clothes.
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And the length of the sleeves is just unbelieveable!
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I am a very curvy size 20-22 & only 5’1″ and no there is not much out there in the way of clothes for me, so yes I do a lot of my shopping online. But not just for clothes, pretty much everything. Lately I’ve been lingerie shopping and we don’t have anything as pretty as I’ve found online in any of the stores that even carry plus size fashion. It gives me no choice but to shop online.
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Regardless of what size a person is and how they got that way, THEY STILL NEED CLOTHES! Do we want everybody above a size 14 walking around naked?
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Exactly, and even if every person over a size 14 decided to lose weight so that they could actually fit into a size 10, they would all still need to wear nice clothes whilst they were losing weight. I don’t know many women who are overweight and not wanting to lose some weight or go down a size, but they still need appropriate clothes to wear whatever size they are.
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While this summer in Queensland seems to have been a little milder than usual, it’s still a terribly uncomfortable place to live due to the humidity. I have a health condition that raises my body temperature and I’m “pleasantly plump” . I have real problems finding a simple lightweight COTTON T-Shirt, even in shops like MY SIZE, AUTOGRAPH, TARGET, MAGGIE T and so on there are T-Shirts but they’re too thick, sort of “stretchy cotton” that includes synthetics and they feel clammy and hot. The colours are a bit ghastly too – LOUD Turquoise, LOUD orange, (yellow, lime, pink and so on)……where are the flattering colours of bottle green, navy, scarlet, purple, dark grey for example ? These colours go with anything and can be very slimming……….When some people feel comfortable in their clothes they feel more “comfortable in their own skin” and the on-going effects are extremely positive and productive……..the larger sizes clothing shops must be suffering now from the poor clothing they’ve been providing.
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Try Landsend.com, a big online clothing company from the US. They have lots of T shirts and lots of colours. The prices are reasonable but the freight is a bit expensive.
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This is going to get hated on, I know. I’ll preface the comment by saying that of course overweight women should still be able to buy fashionable clothes – especially since they’re now the national average, apparently.
My concern is that size 16 is now the average size and – even worse – that people are getting offended at the suggestion that that is overweight. I understand that some people people may be very tall and muscular, and hence take a bigger clothes size. But generally speaking, to get above a size 12 you must be carrying a bit of fat. At size 12, it’s probably not a health issue, it’s only aesthetic (this isn’t a criticism either, size 12 can be gorgeous). But to get to a size 16 – I’m sorry, but medically speaking, that IS overweight.
It might not be the persons ‘fault’ – they might have a medical condition that prevents them from losing weight, they may be on steroids for their health – there may be a whole range of reasons. But in terms of medical charts and the effect on a persons health, it is overweight.
It just seems like we’re just a bunch of self-indulgent Westerners with too much delicious food, and that as a group we’ve all just started stacking on the kgs to the point that our average size has gotten pretty huge. Just because it’s now normal doesn’t mean it’s healthy. Can we at least acknowledge that?
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My size doesn’t change much when my weight does. I can be 75kg and be a 16 or 90kg and still be a 16. I’m kind of tall, and I have big boobs and hips. I’m overweight at the moment, but my clothes just fit a bit tighter and looser depending on my weight.
If you’re basing your assessment on people’s clothes sizes, that’s not very medical!
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Hi Kris – you’re totally right about that. I’m not actually looking at any medical charts or anything, and I agree that usually only significant weight change actually changes clothing size.
What I was trying to say (probably badly) was that I’m concerned that weight is increasing to unhealthy levels, but that people are afraid to call it unhealthy.
This is possibly because the national average size has grown so that now an unhealthy is the norm (and people don’t like being told they’re fat or unhealthy), coupled with raised awareness of anorexia and bulima (and people rightly being careful not to spark off eating disorders).
I know it’s a fine line, but I think we need to be careful not to hold up unhealthy women as “healthy rolemodels” (whether they are underweight or overweight), if they are actually at an unhealthy weight.
*I’ll also reiterate what I said above, which is that some people are a larger clothing size but not “fat” or unhealthy. To be clear-I’m not talking about those people. I’m talking about people carrying unhealthy amounts of weight then hiding being a “real woman” or “curvy” label-which is unhelpful for women who genuinely are healthy and larger sized.
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Whoops, sorry the above posted was from me.
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Ah, that makes more sense. I agree that if the average is 16, that’s seeing a lot of extreme sizes. I think there are a lot of factors, most of which have been covered somewhere along the line in this post though – people are taller (taller is of course going to mean heavier, and if I’m in proportion with an hourglass big little big shape, then it follows that I’m going to be bigger).
FWIW, I don’t like curvy being overused either – until recently curvy described my hourglass shape, now it’s apparently obese as well.
My big thing is only looking at people’s weights or sizes, and not taking height into account. Majority of the time, height isn’t mentioned. I’m not sure why, but it can’t be good for those who are easily worried by such representations. Well, height and the fact that everyone is built differently. My sister and I are totally different body types – I’m boobs and hips, until she had kids she was no boobs, small hips, skinny minny. Kids and age have changed both of us (both had Caesars, so have the Caesar podge), her moreso (obviously) than me.
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Not so, I am 5’9 and a very healthy size 16. I have no medical conditions and my stats are perfect. I don’t carry flab but I do have curves, like hips an arse and big breasts. I love my body.
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Yeah same. I think what people conjure as being a “size 16″ in their head and the reality of it are two different things.
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so help us out. Put a shot or two up, each of you or someone uplad as anon, black out the heads, whatever but i’d for one like to se what a size 16 that’s healthy looks like….
Its an honest request from me, im curious…
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EmmaLand – are you serious? That is a very rude request.
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Why? I was actually thinking of trying to find a full length pic of myself to do just that. I’ll try and take one later if I can’t find something around.
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No it’s not. I agree with EmmaLand.
It sounds like people have different understands of what a size 16 looks like and what a healthy weight is – let’s see if they can align.
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Can you do us a favour in kind? Find pictures and post them of what you think a size 16 is.
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http://www.mybodygallery.com
(size 16 aus is size 12 us)
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It’s my opinion that the women in the size 16 photos on that site are all overweight (fat rather than height or muscle) and do not look a healthy weight.
Would others agree or do you think they are healthy and “curvy”?
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Alice you need to select 5″9 and size 12 to get an accurate gauge of the above women’s size and shape. Size 16 on that site is US sizing which is about AUS size 20. Most of them are slightly overweight, but not particularly unhealthy looking.
You would be correct in suggesting that most women at an average height would be overweight or obese if they were wearing US size 12 clothing.
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You are just talking numbers…. US sizing starts at a 0…. what is the relevance of this!
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I totally agree Alice, it’s so frustrating that media won’t challenge what has become status quo.The ‘average’ size of women is due to an increase in obesity and poor lifestyle choices. Being overweight is somehow considered healthy and the ‘average’ size of women keeps increasing with this trend. It’s so bad. Big breasts, bum and hips aren’t always down to being ‘curvy.’ Thats just an excuse for being overweight in most cases. There is fat acceptance movement and it’s scary because it’s becoming evident in the younger generations.
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I’ve had big boobs and hips since Year 7. I haven’t been overweight since Year 7. I freely admit I am now, but like I said above, I stay around a 14-16 whether my weight is in the 70s, 80s or 90s. I have big boobs, hips and a little waist, and long skinny arms and legs.
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Was thinking the same Alice.
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Umm, some of my clothes are size 12 and my BMI is in the healthy range. At my skinniest I’ve been size 8, but people thought I was unhealthy then. A BMI is a better way to measure if people are obese etc. even that’s not great. Really fit muscular types have been found to have a high BMI, rendering that measurement useless. Weight and health is still very much an individual thing.
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people’s bodies are just built differently… somebody can have a small frame and be carrying a lot of excess weight and be a size 16 or somebody can be tall and very fit and therefore have a lot of muscle and still be a size 16… the reason clothes don’t fit is that they’re trying to put into ‘general’ what people’s bodies look like… which is of course impossible. I used to be a size 12 and i thought I was an average weight for my height… yes i was… but i was also using the medical stats to be in dential about my unhealthy lifestyle because actually i have a very small frame… so i realised I was unhealthy and carrying a lot of extra fat…. all the weight dropped off when i started to eat better and do lite exercise.
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I’m glad you mentioned taller women! I’m healthy and fit, eat better than most of my smaller friends, but because I’m a 175cm with a bra size 10e and a booty to match means nothing fits. Back when I had an eating disorder and my hip and rib bones were jutting out, i fit a size 12- JUST. Still was more a 14.
I agree that it’s worrying people are getting bigger, (and I also hate that “curvy” has become overused- what word do girls like me use now to describe ourselves online?)
I don’t fit plus size clothing stores either – shopkeepers in those stores have told me I’m “tiny”.
I like my body now, but for a long time I did everything i could to be “thin” (i.e. 5ft tall and a size 6). unfortunately no amount of dieting can change your body structure.
Thing is, I worry about our expanding waistlines, but i worry about eating disorders of any kind (the ones that make you obese and the ones that make you skeletal, both are bad). As a teenager, not fitting the clothes my more petite friends could wear had a huge influence on my self esteem – hence the starving myself.
So i was living in colombia last year and found ALL THEIR CLOTHES SUITED ME. They were made for women like me with boobs and bums and height. Unfortunately, while that was wonderful for me, Colombian women aren’t winning the body love competition either- most of them have surgery to fit these clothes.
What am i getting at here? I guess i just wanted to share – clothes, and the ability to present yourself well with them, can have a huge impact on your self esteem. Particularly as a teenager – if you can’t fit the clothes, then clearly there’s something wrong with you.
Also, women are getting taller from what I can see- healthy women my height and build aren’t that uncommon. There’s a market of healthy women that they could target. Similarly, there’s a huge number of unhealthy, technically fat women out there that do fit the current sizes because they’re short and/or have small frames. Drives me nuts.
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I think this is great that Lucy has brought this to life. I have always been a bigger girl, even as a child, and so have always troubled to try and keep on trend with my smaller friends. Lately i have embraced online shopping, which can be a little hard with sizes at first but once you know where you are at it is easier. For those of you looking for more brands or wondering where to go, this is where i get my wardrobe from
Myer – They now have a great range of plus size clothing, but unfortunately they are not stocked in all stores. Their online store is now getting better, so you can look for these on there hopefully. The brands are
-Estelle; great for cocktail dresses
-Mink Denim; great for denim wear and everyday tshirts and knits
-Piper Woman; great range of everything, lovely dresses
-Monroe; evening dresses
-Basque Woman; a lot of great business wear.
There are also other brands there but i haven’t bought from them so not sure about them, but TS14, Leona Edminston,
Also these are great brands (google the websites)
-City Chic, Autograph, Crossroads, Virtu, Sara (Ezibuy), My Size (All Australian), Curvy Clothing
-Female for Life (great fitness wear website that caters up to sz 24)
-Torrid (if you can get it on ebay, otherwise the shipping is very expensive from US)
-Asos Curve (UK site but has free postage worldwide!)
Also there are great ranges for cheaper (but normally lesser quality) at Target (Moda), Best and Less (Lilly and Lou, Woman), Kmart and Big W (Allure).
Bras and lingerie i find are very hard to buy, i get my undies at Best and Less becuase they have a heap of funky colours and styles for $7 up to sz 24. My fave bras at the moment are City Chic but they only go to 22DD. Also check out Sara for great bras, think they go to 26. Theya re very comfortable and generous sizing. I think it is crazy that i can’t go into a bra store, i.e Bras and Things, or Myer bra department to buy a bra as they don’t stock my size (22DD/24D) yet i can go to Target, Kmart, Big W and Best and Less and get my size there!
Retailers definately need to get their act together and stop catering for the minority and start to look at the bigger picture (no pun intended). Just becuase we are curvy doesn’t mean we have to walk around wearing circus tent dresses and daggy jeans, give us something to flaunt our curves and show how beautiful we really are. The US and UK have accepted that sizes have changed and have shops that cater. Australia needs to come to the fore and embrace its curvy citizens!
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I don’t mean to sound mean, but if you are over size 16 or 18, you ARE in the minority. Look around you. If you were not in the minority retailers would be selling those sizes.
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Lucinda I think you missed the point of the article – the *average* woman is a size 16. That means there *are* a lot of us. And retailers are missing out on sales. And because I have size F boobs I’d like to try on clothes before I buy them to check they fit me.
sarebear – a great round up of retailers! Thank you! I usually end up in Myer but do think they’re over priced. Try to wait for sales.
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I didn’t miss the point. Size 16 being the average does not mean that sizes 20-24 are not in the minority. It could mean there are a lot of size 16/18 women around, or it could mean there are less petites around. Just because the average size is 16, it doesn’t necessarily mean that womens sizing is distributed like a bell shaped curve with 16 in the middle. On the contrary, I would still suggest that women of sizes 20 and up are still as few as the super petites. I do think that some manufacturers and designers are missing sales by not going to an 18 or even a 20, though many go to a 16, but I do not believe there are enough women above size 20 and up for it to be a lucrative business opportunity. The women who are in these sizes are mostly in the category of morbidly obese, and the number of morbidly obese is somewhere in the vicinity of 5% of all people. Therefore they are still in the minority whether people like it or not, and there is still more money to be made out of fashion sizes from 8 to 16.
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Thanks for giving a good list of options. When I went from a 12/14 to a 16/18, I had to stop shopping at a LOT of places (fairly humiliating) and found my mainstays became Target, Big W and Kmart because they usually size up to 18 in standard styles. I became afraid to try new options, especially as I knew I would find something that fit at my ‘big three’!!
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This summer in Perth we had eight heatwaves between December & March, it was a long, hot, disgusting summer, a week ago we were still experiencing temperatures in the mid 30s. The summer of 2011 was similar as were most summers before that. Perth has long, hot, dry summers, that is a fact, anything else is a deviation. So why do all of the large department stores fill their racks with winter clothes in February. Who is trying on thick woollens and heavy jackets when there is a heatwave going on outside? only the most anal person is thinking of buying their winter wardrobe three months before it actually starts to get cool in Perth. Not only that, the department stores stop stocking any new summer clothes around February, so at the height of summer the only summer clothes you can buy is clearance stock. I have had so many conversations with similarly frustrated friends and even sales staff, imagine having money in your pocket to buy clothes, but not being able to wear them for three months.
We always hear of the sales slump experienced by retailers post Christmas, surely not stocking seasonally appropriate clothing is in some way attributable to this slump.
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Not only clothes are an issue, what about women with size 10 plus feet?? It’s so hard to find shoes at times.
Back to clothes, my frame is quite large and I’m 5’10″ and have never been smaller than a size 14, even when weighing 66kg at my very lightest. I was also disheartened when I went bra shopping on the weekend and after selecting what I was told was my size – different brands fitted differently. 20 bra trying-ons later, I went off to Target and paid 30% of the price and got a perfect fit. What’s up with that?
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someone mentioned that further down – try http://www.glamazonshoes.com.au/
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Glamazon – only if you have a plus sized budget!
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http://www.jcrew.com go up to a US 12, which equals about an Australian 11.5. GORGEOUS shoes. They can be pricey but if you wait until they are sale they aren’t too bad.
http://www.evans.co.uk go up to a UK10 and offer wide and extra wide widths. They are much more reasonably priced.
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Actually I’ve shopped at Glamazon for a while now and I have to say that they’re very reasonably priced. Before discovering them the only other shops I found in Oz were pricier. Just because I have huge feet (size 13) it doesn’t mean I have a huge budget! Plus I feel really ‘normal’ whenever I shop there.
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My feet are a silly size 11, and I find Target has a biggish range compared to other walk-in stores. Nine West has 10 & 11s, but normally just in the most boring styles and only in beige or black.
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“The grading between sizes 6 and 12 is quite uniform” not to take away from what you are saying about ‘plus’ sizes, but this is wrong … unless the brand has a petites range that caters for bigger busts, i can write 99% of dresses off without bothering to look.
an old flatmate used to study fashion design … she was taught on a standard size 10, B cup, 5′ 7″ model with strict leg/torso length measurements. i once asked her about classes based on designing to different shapes and she looked at me blankly.
the problems start WAY back … xt
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Agreed Tracey I am so frustrated with brands sizing up a size 8 dress! The bust just gets wider or something instead of going outwards to actually accommodate boobs so it creates a monoboob or just doesn’t fit at all. I have not bought a non-stretchy top since I was 14 years old and I reached a D cup. When the bust increases as a woman puts on weight not everything increases in the same proportion, the waist often stays small while the hips may increase. I am so sick of looking at clothes designed around 12 year old figures!
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i cant even believe that those are all considered plus size! while some women in the gallery are overweight, there are so many healthy looking women! Women i wouldnt even consider to be ‘plus size’. what a miniature world we live in.
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I LOVE fashion, and being a size 20-22 means that I have to be incredibly clever at finding and putting together stylish, figure-flattering, feminine and good quality clothing. It’s almost a full time job. At the moment I’m trying to find an evening gown for the fifth formal occasion I’ve had to go to in the last year and I’m starting to run out of choices. It’s beyond frustrating.
I agree that there is an untapped market out there. The US and UK are realising this and starting to see more retailers changing their lines, but you go a long way to find a store here that cares. We tend to shop at the same five stores every time, and with each one of them catering to a different demographic, the options narrow dramatically.
I’d love to see a designer look at what we actually do as women. I need ‘mum clothes’, ‘work clothes’, ‘going out clothes’ and sometimes need ‘special occasion clothes’. Currently I get to choose from jeans, t-shirts, stuff for teenagers, garments that makes me look like a box on legs, and miles and miles of jersey knit.
Big sigh…
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I do a lot of shopping for plus size clothing and lingerie. The shops I buy from are:
http://www.yoursclothing.co.uk – clothing
http://www.cuddlesandcurves.com.au – lingerie and sleepwear
http://www.virtushop.com.au – clothing
http://www.ezibuy.com.au/brands/sara-plus-sizes.html – clothing
Hope this helps someone!
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I live in a rural town and the only places I can buy plus size clothes are in Rockmans Be-Me which are a bit expensive for me, and K-Mart which are ok but are often a bit daggy and don’t last long. I buy Rockmans for special occasions and K-Mart for home.
I’ve looked at Virtu for clothing: http://www.virtushop.com.au
and Ezibuy have a plus size brand called Sarah: http://www.ezibuy.com.au/brands/sara-plus-sizes.html
Cuddles and Curves have sexy lingerie and sleepwear in plus sizes: http://www.cuddlesandcurves.com.au
Yours Clothing in the UK are good too and have a good postage cost: http://www.yoursclothing.co.uk/
Hope this helps someone!
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There is a lack of great clothes, sleepwear, lingerie etc for plus sizes. I don’t consider a size 16 to be plus size. Marilyn Munroe, who I believe was a 14, would be considered fat today.
I agree with the article – there is not enough great clothing in our retail stores for anyone over a size 12 today. This is why we plus sizes are all shopping online. There are some great labels overseas and here in Australia which cater to our sizes. Unfortunately, they are not available in stores here.
I started a business selling plus size lingerie and sleepwear online for this reason. Why not have a look at www. jacarandalane.com.au.
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Please – she measured 36-23-27. At target, sportsgirl, portmans and country road this makes her a size ten (twelve at cr) bust, size six or smaller waist and size eight hips. It simply shits me to tears when people use this example. When women call themselves curvy, I am certain not all of them are walking around like Miss Marilyn.
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I earn over $150k (net) per year and aside from my mortgage I don’t have many financial commitments. So I can basically spend my money on whatever I want.
I’ve had quite bad depression over the last few years and as a consequence have put on weight taking me over the size 16 range. I am fat. I freely admit it. And I’m fat because I eat poorly and don’t exercise as much as I should. It is nobody else’s fault but mine.
But either way, I still need clothes and I’ve got money to spend just nowhere to spend it. How foolish are these retailers who don’t want my mining dollars? I tried on a plus-suit in Myers that was horrible. It was double-breasted for godsakes!
So thank you for all of those who have provided comments giving details of great online retailers who actually want my money by providing a product that suits me. I can’t wait to do so!
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Came across this great AUSSIE plus size store last night, they have funky clothes that I would actually want to wear!!
http://www.17sundays.com/www/662/1001127/default.asp
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I see a BIG problem with all the cynacism here in the posts assuming people who are 14/16/18 and so on are overweight, obese or have serious health issues.
Don’t we have a big enough problem with body image in the media without slashing away at “plus size” women’s self esteem? I know myself, the way I have broad shoulders, wider hips and I am over 6 foot high there is no way I will ever fit into a size 8, maybe not even a 10. AND THATS OKAY!
I work in a health club and body image is something I am surrounded with every minute of every day, people slaving away forever trying to be something that they are not – if you exercise regularly, eat a balanced diet, just ACCEPT what you are! If that shape is a curvy 16 or 18, celebrate it – don’t judge it and say there must be a serious health problem underneath.
Every body shape and size is unique and while I seriously advocate a healthy lifestyle – which I myself do and I professionally help others do – it is a real shame that people automatically label those sizes as obese, which then springs to mind disgusting, shameful, hideous. And we curvy ladies are anything but that!
Why are those sizes discriminated against? Why are we put through a grueling world full of judgement and media constantly telling us we are fat, without the bitch slap that comes from trying to shop for ourselves and either having to buy something that DOES make us feel hideous or go home empty handed. Sounds pretty wrong to me.
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I see two problems with the clothing retailers:
1. People are getting fatter due to a combination of factors: overly calorie dense/overly processed foods, being time poor and not exercising enough. I put on 8kg in 6 months simply because I went from exercising for one to two hours every day to not exercising at all. It wasn’t really due to being time poor in my instance, it was due to becoming deeply depressed and losing my motivation to get off my butt.
2. Vanity sizing is a ridiculous load of crap and women’s sizes need uniform measurements like men’s. I am the same shape and weight at age 30 that I was was when I was 20 (my weight oscillates between 50 and 60kg depending on exercising or not exercising). When I was 20, my clothing size was a very reliable size 12, now it’s anything from an 8 to a 12 depending on where I shop. It’s bloody ridiculous.
I can understand the logic in vanity sizing from a sales perspective, if I go into a store and I’m normally a size 10, but I can fit into something labelled a size 8, I’m more likely to buy it. If 16 is the standard size for women now then how can size 16 be considered a “plus size”? It seems illogical because if the average woman has to shop in the plus size section then aren’t they going to be less likely to buying clothes because they feel “fat”?
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I don’t think men have standard sizings either – I read an article a year or so ago where a guy with a 32-inch waist actually measured the waists of the ’32s’ in the shops – a lot were 34, and one was 38!
I agree in general about vanity sizing though – I’m generally a 12/14, except in one shop I fit into their size 8! It was ridiculous!!
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This also highlights the point that most women that claim to be a 16/18 and shop in plus size stores are not actually those sizes but much bigger, and because you can buy 16/18s in standard department stores and because the national average is apparently a 16 (it’s not, it’s closer to a 12/14) women that are fat and wearing plus size 16s/18s, etc think that they really are that size.
But they’re not. They’re not the national average, they are closer to 20/22s.
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Thanks to all the commenters that provided information about where to get plus-sized clothing! Up until recently I’d spent my entire adult life hovering around a size ten and I didn’t realise how easy I had it! A couple of years ago I started gaining a lot of weight for no apparent reason and I went to the doctor and got diagnosed with an under-active thyroid. To all the comenters that are saying that overweight people should just lose weight, sometimes it’s actually not all that easy. I am currently trying to lose weight but with a thyroid condition it’s very difficult, much more so than for the average person. People often assume I pig out on McDonald’s and chocolate all the time but that is simply not the case. I eat well and I excercise I just happen to have a condition that has made me gain weight. ANyway, in the mean time, while i am trying to manage my condition I want to feel as good about myself as possible which means dressing in clothes that fit that I actually LIKE. I have found it SO difficult to find clothes I like since I gained weight and it’sbeen a very demoralising experience. However, all the suggestions below are much appreciated and i’m going to look into some of them, thanks guys!
Also, please let’s not fat-bash or skinny-bash. I’ve copped A LOT of judgement for being overweight and get treated very differently than I did when I was a size ten. People are not aware I have a medical condition. Even if I didn’t have a thyroid problem, you shouldn’t judge anyway. Never judge a person until you have walked a mile in their shoes…..
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I’ve been at both ends of the spectrum, obese as a child/teen, skinny, overweight after the birth of my baby and now back to a comfortable healthy weight (which I class as being able to eat a slice of cheesecake without having an emotional meltdown afterwards). I can attest to the fact that you do get treated differently when you are a larger person, and it’s not right.
However, as somebody that has worked in fashion retail for a while, I’ve copped a fair bit of abuse over the years from women who don’t fit into the sizes stocked. There’s no need to call me ‘pigeon-chested’ or ‘skinny and shapeless’ just because you’re frustrated. Customers blame the staff because they don’t know how to dress women for their shape – across the board (well at least in the places I’ve worked), we retail shitkickers don’t get any training in this. I have taken it upon myself to research fabrics, cuts, etc so I can provide a better service, but at the end of the day I get paid too little to cop the amount of flak I do on a daily basis. If you’re angry about size ranges, direct it at someone who can do something about it!
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“If you’re angry about size ranges, direct it at someone who can do something about it!”
Who would that be? This is a serious question, because there are a number of times I have walked out of shops without spending money because of size selection, nothing for shorter women, low staffing levels, etc.
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most clothing companies have head offices you can write to, you would direct your complaint to the buyers, or designers, whatever the case would be
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You think you have problems with clothes, try finding shoes to fit a size 10/11 foot.
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Size 11 foot, but seem to have solved that dilemma thanks to a wonderful shoe shop in Melbourne who does online as well – she goes up to a 15! Google Glamazon
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If ONLY they weren’t so overpriced!!! Not everyone can afford to purchase a $300 pair of shoes just because you are a size 11/12 etc. It shouldn’t be that hard or expensive. They make size 5 shoes why not make up to 12 at least…?
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10/11? Easy. Try being a 15.
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Wow, that’s impressive! Do you get shoes mostly custom-made?
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yes I have an acquaintance who works for Glamazon – their shoes are fab!
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It’s really interesting to read the comments on this post. Lucy has written about the difficultly in getting decent clothes in larger sizes and so many people have taken this as an invitation to criticise and fat shame the women who wear these larger sizes. That wasn’t the point of her original post. It’s possible to get small sizes in pretty much every shop out there, but it is very difficult to find decent, fashionable and reasonably priced plus sized clothing.
It’s about discrimination against a certain class of woman. Whatever you think about a person’s weight, that is really not the issue here.
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I’m just repeating myself I know, but I feel compelled to make this point again…………some people endure pain and illnesses which contribute to their obesity – Their diets are careful but they keep putting on weight because they CAN”T MOVE – they can’t burn up the small amounts they’re eating………..what do these people do while they’re being criticised by patronising “experts” with absolutely no knowledge of the complexities of illness/medication/pain on peoples exhausted bodies ?……a little bit of kindness is in order here I think.
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i totally agree. we can’t make assumption about people’s lives and what they should do about their weight. people have very different priorities and time limitations. people who have never battled with their weight may not understand.
sanctimonious remarks will not make it any easier either.
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I used be 55 kg when I was 18. Now I am 27 have been on psychiatric meds and have had an eating disorder. i am 70kg. Finally accept my weight, but dissapointed at retailers
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sportsgirl has stopped making XL
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Makes you wonder why?? Perhaps they should have gone the other way and advertised better that they stocked up to a size XL instead of moving backwards? Shame..
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Just try on an M, it’s probably the same size as the old XL… I went into Sportsgirl recently and tried on an M (I’ve been wearing an M at Sportsgirl for the last 10 years and my measurements haven’t changed since post-puberty). It was swimming. Tried on an XS. Still too big. WTF?!
Witchery and Country Road are the same- the 6s are far too big and I’m by no means a twig. All of my old clothes from years ago are size 10- they still fit. When I go and try on the same size these days, it’s absolutely enormous on me. What gives?!
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I blogged about this recently and just updated with some more links…
http://shopaholicmums.blogspot.com.au/
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Sad to think we are concerned with fashion for the extra large sizes than thinking about the health of the person of this size. Its pretty detrimental on the body to carry excess weight , sometimes life threatening. Sad to think they are worrying more about fitting into fashionable clothes than their health. If they only fixed the problem with proper nutrition and an exercise plan they could loose the weight and fit comfortably into fashionable clothes. We need to get serious about our health. Fashion is secondary.
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They, they, they. Who are They? They are already plus sized, you want them naked too? Ridiculous philosophy. Get a grip.
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They, they, they, are the women who are 16 plus in size & complaining. Unfortunately this is bordering on the obese Get a grip…well I think you need a reality check .. Dont be so naive to think that extra large sizes these women carry around isnt putting strain on their organs. We have an obesity epidemic in Australia. We need to fix this.
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we also need to maintain some respect. To everyone on this thread, please remember the dinner party rules
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And fatty bashing is not the way to tackle it. Your comment comes across as “they are fat and therefore don’t deserve nice clothes, let them wear ugly ones coz then they’ll wake up and magically lose the weight so they can wear pretty clothes like the rest of us beautiful people”.
That’s not helpful, have some compassion. Fixing the obesity epidemic and a decent range of plus size clothing are two very different issues, they should not be discussed as one.
Obviously the lack of decent clothing for ladies of a larger size is not making them lose weight, they’re demographic is growing, not diminishing. Your argument holds no logic.
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No i am saying we need to address this issue. If the average size is now size 16 we are indeed becoming bigger and bigger. This is a health issue. Why is this so ? We need to address the issue and make women more aware of the health implications. We should not be this large. Exercise and diet are crucial for a healthy life. Lets not pretend this is not the case.
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It may well be an issue, but it is a separate issue to this topic. It is disappointing that you seem to be claiming there can only be one issue regarding larger body sizes. Disregarding for a moment all the medical reasons why weight might be beyond some people’s control, I believe people are more likely to make healthier lifestyle choices when they feel good about themselves and feel like they are worth loving self care; and less likely when they feel bad about their bodies and themselves. For many people, the lack of available attractive clothing makes people feel worse about themselves.
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I understand what ur trying to get across Natasha, but the thing is, even us plus size girls need clothes… I am trying to lose weight and concentrate on my health, but it is not an overnight thing… It may take me a year to lose the weight, or even longer, what am i going to wear in that time? Surely while going through this i need to have my confidence as well, therefore i should be able to buy nice clothes to keep my confidence high!
Yes, there is a health issue when we are talking about plus size ladies, but as others have mentioned, some can’t help it due to health problems etc and some are trying to change it…. why should we be the ones to suffer just because we aren’t a size ‘normal’
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I agree!
A size 16 is not a healthy weight and the fact that this is now considered ‘normal’ just because it is the average is a serious problem that we need to address!
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I agree! It scares me that size 16 is considered to be “normal”. If i was a size 16 I would be seriously concerned about my health and less concerned about my clothing options. Everyone needs to get some perspective.
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Actually if you’re a very tall woman (6ft or something like that) then being a size 16 could actually be very normal and healthy. I am 5ft 8 and the lowest I can possibly go will probably be size 10-12 without starving myself and I accept that being under that would be unhealthy for me because of my height and size. Btw I am a size 12 right now.
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try find clothes to exercise in! it’s the hardest thing ever. I cut up my husbands old adidas xl tshirts.
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This post is sad. If you were really concerned about the ‘health’ of other people, you wouldn’t say things like this out loud. Keep your bigotry to yourself, it only hurts yourself then.
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I totally agree with you. How rude and judgemental.
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Weight gain happens for a variety of reasons (just like headaches). Sometimes simply being overweight itself causes more weight-gain. More importantly, there are hundreds of people who’ve become obese due to health issues and medication. Pain can prevent people from moving significantly enough to lose excess weight – even on a careful, modest diet……these people are literally trapped in their own bodies and so have to endure the unprofessional, crappy “advice” of “skinny experts”, or the jokes & jeers of morons…………so imagine being an obese person trying to find cool, flattering clothing that’s reasonably priced……..welcome to the world of clothes that “scream” at you as you walk into the store – garish, enormous “clown clothes with the “BIG is BEAUTIFUL ” slogan…..clothing cut into “interesting” shapes but made in horrible, clammy synthetic fabrics……..Bright, primary colours and huge white pants that look like they’ve stepped off a Mardi Gras float,……..clothing that looks cheap and “industrial”……..I could go on & on but really – where is the clothing that you would wear, but bigger ?…………Designers are so “up themselves” that they’d rather lose profits than “lose face”. They’d rather dress “teenage boys in dresses” than women who’ve sacrificed their slim hips to live a life full of other people’s needs……..Just point me towards a shop that sells cool, floaty, clothing in cotton/cheesecloth – a sort of “Tree of Life” store where the sizes and clothing are going to accommodate women who are still young at heart and interested in ethnic, creative wear without the “creative price tag” …..I advise you to never say to a fat person “You need to lose weight you know” unless you want to utterly embarrass yourself….being overweight is painful enough without these added pressures..
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“boys in dresses”? Nice.
I inherited a high metabolism, despite how much I ate as a young woman. You know what? Clothes in stores taunted me too, because while I could put them on, a lot of them hung on me/swamped me, accentuated my straight up and down figure.
Fortunately I put on weight in my 30s and consider myself very lucky to be just slim, but I still remember the things said to me when I was younger.
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Andre pejic (spelling?). Man in a dress. And bras.
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Thats one person. As annoying as it is that he’s held up as an ideal of feminine beauty, I’d hazard a guess that she was referring to models in general. Happy to be corrected.
Clothing can be an issue for anyone, but moreso, for those either end of the spectrum. My comment was to highlight that while fat shaming isn’t good, neither is skinny shaming. I was probably a bit too obscure.
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Agreed, Faybian. We can have this discussion without the body snarking; that goes for the fat-shamers, too. Surely we’re all mature enough to have a discussion about these sorts of things in a way that is respectful to everyone? I appreciate being compared to a 12yo boy about as much as a plus sized woman appreciates being told she has to ‘earn’ fashion by losing weight.
I also don’t quite understand the part about giving up slim hips to live a life of other people’s needs…I’m not sure selflessness and hardworking for others are characteristics identifiable by a woman’s shape and size.
Other than that, though, I understand what the original poster is saying.
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Thanks. I will admit that I have no idea what being overweight is like. My mum is obese now, because of her lifestyle when she was younger. Other than that my husband is overweight, but he is one of the fittest, strongest people I know and still has the blood pressure of a 20 year old.
My youngest girl has had trouble getting clothes to fit her for a few years (skirts and pants fall off her). She is just like me. Skinny with long arms and legs. I hope kids are kinder to her than they were to me as she grows. This is the only way I can relate to this post.
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You (and your daughter) sound like me. The only way I can relate to the struggle of plus-sized women is in that I endured years of taunting and accusations of being anorexic, seeing women and girls built like me being compared to pubescent boys and skeletons, having my meals monitored by strangers who didn’t know any better than to think I didn’t eat.
I will defend thin and skinny women to no end, even if I gain weight. But I expect larger women endure similar suffering at the hands of others, which I think makes us more alike than different. So I’ll defend them, too.
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Yes and having people watch you to see if you goto the toilet aftera meal. Ith friend tell me off for finding Ford pills in my house once. The bottle was merely full and I was constipated! Grrrr.
My girl’s 8 now and I’m trying to slowly work on her self image. It worked for my oldest girl who needed thick glasses from an early age, so I hope it works again. Good luck with your daughter too.
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I’ve had both. When i was 10 I suddenly got a bit chubby and got bullied at school for being fat. I grew 20 cms in that year and became a twig, no change in diet just a major major growth spurt. Suddenly from then until I was 18 I couldn’t put on weight to save my life and had strangers commenting on how i needed to “eat more”, like my body was theirs for the scrutinising. When I got my wisdom teeth out, a doctor actually looked at me disgusted and told me I was too skinny!!!
Then in year 12 the boobs and bum came, nearly overnight (I actually remember putting on my size 8 jeans one day and realising they didn’t fit and the last time i’d worn them was a week ago- my hip bones were still pretty prominent so it wasn’t fat that had made me bigger!!!)
Suddenly all my friends parents told me I looked “like a real woman” and “so much healthier!”
It’s amazing how people think that women’s bodies, at ANY size or shape, are the property of society, totally appropriate for sizing up, grading, judging, commenting- like cattle in a rural town’s show.
Healthy comes in many shapes and sizes (as does unhealthy!)
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The girl in the photo in this article is considered ‘plus size’ when it comes to fashion. So, all the people on this thread that have attacked people who have to wear size 16 clothing, take a look at what size 16 can look like. If you are a tall woman you are more likely to look like you are wearing smaller more acceptable to society type sizes, however if you were to check that tall womens clothing size, you will most likely find she is wearing a size 14 top and 16 bottom. She looks amazingly tall and slender, but heaven for bid! Shes in a dreadful size 16. She must be putting terrible strain on her organs and be so unhealthy, or even a ticking time bomb. So then she starts eating less (although her diet was perfect and her daily workout regime was great) and exercising more, starts getting much thinner, then suddenly finds shes getting ill. Her organs are shutting down on her because shes not eating enough and expecting too much of her body. Why has this happened? Because society says that shes too big, not because they’ve seen her in person, but because of the ‘number’ on her jeans label. Now shes caused terrible damage to her body. She was fine before! Shallow, uneducated, prejudiced societies are disgusting!! I’m in the process of getting fitter, and the great side effect is I’m slimming down. How did I get to a size 18? There are no real answers from the medical profession. I can only eat some fruits, meat and veg. I also can eat seeds and nuts in small amounts. I have many food intolerances and choose to not eat anything that my body can’t tolerate. I don’t eat badly, I’m fit, I don’t look like I’m a size 16 (I’ve come down in size since upping my workout to 1.5 hours every morning instead of just a half hour) because I carry my weight well. I have carried a back injury for over 20 years, but done all I can to still keep active. I’m very healthy. All my check ups say that if more people were as healthy as me Drs would be out of business (2 different doctors words when I’ve gone for my half yearly check up). I’ve been asked to make sure I donate my organs! I was chuffed when I was asked to do that
I try to avoid plus size shops because the cut of the clothing is terrible!!! They make clothing look like a sack on me. I have a size 12 waist and size 16 hips. I’m not going to wear a top that makes me look size 18 when I’m not. I embrace my curves! I look more attractive when I wear clothing that suits my shape. So instead, I go to Kmart, buy singlet tops that cling to my waist, buy fitted pants and jeans that flatter my long slender lengs and then wear a cardi or jacket that fits down to my hipline even if I can’t do it up. I’ve tried on size 14-16 plus size pants and they are cut terribly! The legs are too short, the crutch too low and the waist too wide.
I know when it comes to buying uniforms for adults, top sizes from 14 up tend to get widder and shorter. Who wants to be showing their belly anyway? If you are needing widder, you are definetly going to be needing longer.
Design has got to change to fit real people. Larger shouldn’t mean shapless. That shapely plus size model at the top of this page deserves to wear nice fitted designs that accentuate her shape. So does the lady serving you at the supermarket whos short and size 16.
If clothing can be made to a smaller sized market then it can be made to a larger sized market.
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I apologise if I am repeating what has already been said, I haven’t had the chance to read the comments yet but I was very surprised to read that the average size Australian woman is now a size 16. Wasn’t it just yesterday that she was a size 12 and then a size 14? I hope I am not the only one who is concerned about this.
My grandmother is now in her 80s but she says that when she was young everyone was slim and a size 12 was considered big and was fairly rare. What happens if in 20 years time the average woman is a size 24, are we just going to accept that like it’s the most normal thing in the world and complain that retailers aren’t catering for these sizes instead of asking ourselves why the average woman is this size in the first place.
On a side note, I wonder where these statistics come from as I look around at all the women I know. I am thinking of all my friends, relatives and co-workers and I would say amongst all of them, the average size is probably a 10. As another example, if you look at all of you that work at Mamamia, none of you seem to be bigger than size 10-12 so I am just wondering if these statistics are really true of Australian women or if they are exaggerated, although I am not sure what the point of that would be.
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You know, I often think about this. 80 years ago the lifestyle was different. Pretty sure is be slimmer if my job didn’t have me chained to my chair in front of a computer 10+ hrs a day 5 days a week.
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Also, people are taller, surely that contributes – I towered over my great grandmother and my Nan and am taller than my Mum. If you’re not a tall skinny beanpole shape, of course you’re going to need bigger sizes if you’re in proportion and have boobs and hips that match your height.
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Even only 50 years ago, life was much more physical. It was a normal part of our day to be doing exercise without even knowing it. Our bodies haven’t changed genetically/biologically. They still need constant movement and effort to keep the fat off. Most jobs and with all our wonderful technology, require very little physical effort. Also, food was much simpler. It was as it came off the tree, out of the ground, or out of the paddock. Now we can’t see how many calories we are putting because that meal we just bought or that snack is filled with hidden calories. You would be surprised how many calories are in that little muesli bar you just ate because you wanted to be healthy, then your job requires very little movement of you, then you get home after leaving for work at 6am and its now 7pm and you still have to cook dinner, do the washing, answer some emails, pay some bills, kiss your husband, say goodnight to the kids and then try and find the energy and time to work out!
Yes we are in control of what we put in our mouth, but at the same time, manufacturers of foods load up the calories to add flavour, our lifestyle these days is very sedentary (we using machines to wash our clothes, clean our floors, get us to work etc).
If you take a look around you next time you are in the mall, or at a shopping centre, you will notice that actually, most people around you are overweight or obese.
Its sad, but its where society has taken us.
The other thing is that people are taller just as you said. Because we are not in the depression, we have food and health care, we are growing more upwardly and outwardly. I remember learning in history all those years ago about the children who were living in Australia after their families were sent from the UK when Australia was being founded. They were much taller than their UK born and bred friends because of the bounty of food and nutrients in the soil etc.
I have noticed more stores are stocking larger sizes and that the designs are getting better.
There is a lot of room for improvement.
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I don’t disagree about work and lifestyle changes. I often comment on height being discounted because it is so often discounted! I don’t think it’s a fair comparison between me and my Nan or Great Grandmother (Mum’s Mum and Nan), because they grew up doing a lot more physical stuff, walking more, etc. And their food was different. And I know that when I’m at the shops, I tower over the vast majority of old ladies, where with younger women I’m on the taller side, but by no means towering over them. I actually don’t have a lot of processed food at all, and I do walk a lot (no car and around uni). My sister is built like our GG – skinny, no boobs (until she had kids), I’m built like our Dad’s Mum – big boobs, big hips. These naturally occurring differences seem to be discounted by the “just lose weight” brigade. I do lose weight, but I don’t change size that drastically when my weight goes up and down. I’ve been breastfeeding for a year and didn’t need to get bigger bras – I can still wear my old sports bras over my breastfeeding ones. It just doesn’t change much for me.
If you’re 5 foot nothing and wearing a size 18, that’s a very different proposition to me at 173cm wearing one. And that’s not even taking size discrepancies between manufacturers into account.
I don’t disagree that most people are overweight and obese – it IS really noticeable. But being a size 16 at 173cm (and still breastfeeding) is hardly candidacy for The Biggest Loser territory!
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Average = the 22/24 are cancelling out the 8/10, so I am not sure, what is the real status of Australian women’s dress size?
There was also a war, post-war economy/ dpression and lack of resources 60 years ago. Hardly anything way automated and there was no such thing as tv or home computers. Different world altogether.
I’m a size 16, and I think I’m on the border of where bigger becomes unhealthy. I’d like to be a 14 so I don’t have to shop in the plus size section of every shop, where my choice is usually something in a ugly floral pattern or a huge V neck.
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I think chopping wood and kneading bread used to keep people fit in the “Good old days”.
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