You walk into a store, see an item of clothing you like and decide to try it on. Now unless you are a seasoned shopper or have a good eye for fit, chances are you’ll take various sizes of the same garment into the changing room.
Why? Two words: vanity sizing. It’s a practice where clothing manufacturers reduce the sizes of their clothing in order for women to feel good about their bodies and in turn buy their clothing. A positive consumer experience also means customers are more likely to return to that store and buy more.
While dress sizes are shrinking, and we believe we are getting smaller, we are also told that obesity and obesity related illnesses are on the rise. According to the Sunday Telegraph, size discrepancies in women’s clothing are causing concern among public health officials. The national guidelines aiming to tackle obesity under the ‘measure up’ campaign, suggest that a woman with a waistline greater than 80cm is more prone to heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure and some cancers.
“A size 12, or medium in popular women’s retailer Witchery, caters for a waistline of 85-89cm. The same waist measurement at Country Road is a size 16, or extra large. A size 12 at Suzanne Grae fits an 80cm waist.”
So now a size 12 is considered obese? Great. From someone who buys a medium in Witchery, this is not particularly comforting news. In fact it makes me angry. Even though my body mass index sits in the healthy range for my height and weight, I still feel like I’ve been duped.
It’s not only Australian women who are affected by vanity sizing. If you’ve ever shopped online from the US or UK, you’ll know how hard it is to get the right fit. Alaina Zulli, an American designer studying dress sizes in Vogue advertisements from 1922 onwards, found that clothing sizes have been irregular for decades.
“A woman with a 32-inch bust would have worn a Size 14 in Sears’s 1937 catalog. By 1967, she would have worn an 8. Today, she would wear a zero,” Ms. Zulli said.
As designers and clothing manufacturers continue to mess with our heads -and sense of self- US designer Nicole Miller has introduced a size smaller than zero. Temporarily called the “subzero” it is for petite women with 23½-inch (59.7cm) waists and 35-inch (88.9cm) hips. Another US retailer, Banana Republic has also begun offering a “00″ on its website.
With all these differences, no wonder we’re confused about which size to take into the changing room. Denim brand, Levi’s has recognised the frustration most of us feel in having to try on four different sizes and has introduced Curve ID. Having already sold one million pairs of the jeans, the styles go by the shape of a woman’s derriere – slight, demi, bold and supreme and come in a variety of styles, washes and sizes (32, 34 .etc) to fit.
Shopping malls in America have also looked into body scanning technology that will tell shoppers which sizes they are in different boutiques. But how is this for a novel idea, instead of investing in technology and marketed styles, why not just make standard sizes exactly what they are meant to be – standard across all brands.
Have you ever been deceived by vanity sizing?








Comments
214 Comments so far
For years I’ve been wearing Rivers shirts. I’ve always found them relatively inexpensive andcomfortable. Above all else, I could walk into any store and automatically know that a shirt indicating a particular size would fit me.
As of late that has been almost impossible to do. New sizes and new cuts have been introduced. I can never guarantee that any two shirts indicating the new size and cut will fit. Sometimes it is not practical to try on a shirt in a shop.
I have spoken to shop staff about this, and whilst they assure me that there is a “great demand” for all of the new merchandise, they also assure me that that they receive many complaints. At one store, returns are going through the roof.
loading...
It’s the same in the stores which cater to us larger ladies too. I’m a size…. well actually I couldn’t really tell you what size I am exactly as I have so many different sizes in my wardrobe!
City Chic for example start at a size 14 which is their XS, 16 is S, 18 is M, etc. I have bought a couple of XS tops and a dress from there but then in Target sometimes the 18 or XL won’t fit me.
Bra sizing also gives me the eebie jeebies. I’m usually a 14DD or 14E but the cup sizes are so different in every brand it makes bra shopping very difficult. It’s hard enough to find decently priced E cup bras at the best of times and then if that doesn’t fit I can never find an F to see if the next cup up would actually fit.
And then shoes too. Aarrgghh! I have sizes 7, 7.5, 8 and 9. And there was me thinking they were meant to be based on measurements like 38, 39 and 40. Silly me. I would love to buy shoes online but unless I already know how the particular brand sizes fit I just don’t want to risk it.
You’d almost think that if our clothes were sized in measurements the way guys clothes are it would be better. But no. My husband wears a 34 inch waist. Unless I buy him something in the Kenji brand (from Myer), in which case he is all of a sudden a 36 inch waist. For Christmas he asked me to buy him some shorts. Easy peasy, or so I thought. I bought him 2 pairs of 34 from Jay Jays. One pair fit perfectly and the other was way too small and had to be swapped for a 36. They were from the same store! It’s supposed to be a measurement… how on earth can two items of the same measurement not measure the same?? Oh my, now I feel dizzy
loading...
14 is an XS???
loading...
City Chic is a plus-size clothing store, so 14 is the smallest size that they stock.
loading...
that shits me that they vanity size even more in the plus sizes….like, I’m going to a plus size store, I’m not stupid, I KNOW I’m not a 14 …DERR!!! – even in Target – no way I can wear a ‘normal’ target size 16, but in their plus size range, I may fit a 16, or even have it loose… a 16 is a 16! ggrrrr
loading...
Except, it isn’t vanity sizing – it is a completely separate scale. Plus sizes have been sized differently for many years, with a plus size 16 about a size and a half to two sizes bigger than a straight sized 16.
loading...
I have a pair of City Chic jeans in what they call a 16, they were really too big but so comfy so I went and bought the 14 assuming they would be perfect
couldn’t even do them up! And I bought 2 tops from Jay Jays last week identical basic long sleeve tops, both size L however one is too big and one is tight. WTF how can they get away with that??
loading...
Everything you said covers me too. Except I’m just tall with big boobs and hips. I’m not a plus size shape. So size XS tops at city chic sometimes fit me, but dresses, skirts and pants are made for wider shorter people. I rarely buy clothes because I’m in that middle zone of being a size 16 (bit bigger at the moment) but not really being a plus/larger size shape, so most of it just hangs off me like a sack, with my (comparably) skinny arms and legs just hanging out the openings!
Same with the bras and shoes as well – Try getting maternity bras for any kind of decent price. It’s almost impossible. I was saved by EBay. I got one in a 16E because that’s what I wear in their sports bras, which fits, but the same size in Lovable is useless and has me falling out if I move from upright.
loading...
I hate the inconsistency between stores!! I don’t care what number the size is, just make it the same everywhere!! I think there is a danger of people developing completely skewed perceptions of themselves if sizes are completely skewed.
In the end, it’s about your shape, not your size, so squeezing into a smaller size isn’t going to do anything if it doesn’t suit your body shape.
loading...
As I do a lot of shopping online, I know my measurements (in inches, although not cm because of the lack of local online shopping options!) off by heart and ALWAYS check the sizing chart, not the number on the tag. As a rule of thumb, in the US nowadays you are generally 2 sizes smaller than your Australian/UK size, but as always it varies. I get annoyed by vanity sizing and I get annoyed by the standard sets of measurements that always assume that hips are bigger than bust. Doesn’t work on my body type.
loading...
Um, I’m a bit confused – and it may be because I am full of a head cold, but why are some people getting excited about Country Road sizes? In the article above, it says that CR’s waist measurement of 85cm is a size 16 or XL, whereas in Witchery it’s a 12 or M… or have a toally read it wrong? It’s highly possible
I also used to think CR sizing was generous, but not so much anymore…
loading...
Kath and Kim used to joke about Kim being a ‘Country Road size 10′!
loading...
I know, I remember that… but according to this post, it’s now different…? I still don’t know if I have read that correctly! It might be the Sudafed affecting me
loading...
No, I got confused with that too!
loading...
This is so, so true. I went to buy a new work shirt the other day, and in their new range of shirts, a size 8 was too big for me – I’m normally a size 8 – 10! I understand there is this backlash trend at the moment saying big is beautiful and “normal” women are curvy and size 12+, but there are also normal women out there who are size 6 – 10 and would appreciate some clothes that fit that are not designed for 13 year olds thankyou very much. (I don’t really find it that hard to find clothes to fit me – there are only a few shops that are guilty of that – it’d just be nice if the sizing was *consistent*). I also think the size 12 and 14s who are happy with their sizes would like to be treated respectfully and not have retailers assume “everybody wants to be size 8/10″. My sister would be, what I’d call, a size 12, but fits anything from a 10 to 14. I have another friend who’s normally a 12 – 14 but had to wear a size 18 (!!!) bridesmaid dress for my wedding. It’s absurd.
I own a size 8 pair of slacks from Temt that are on the big side – they fit my bum but are long in the legs, yet I’m 170cm and told I have long legs! (And no, I don’t have a big bum
) Yet at Fashion Fair I’m always a size 10. And then of course the few items I have from Supre are a M or L. (In my defence, the only Supre items I own are a shirt with a slogan saying “Hand over the chocolate and nobody gets hurt”, regular singlet top, and some pyjama shorts!) Stupid, stupid, stupid.
loading...
I have found the sizes in Zara Sydney on the small side. I brought a coat in Zara’s Edinburgh store which is a medium and a perfect fit. In Sydney I need an XL and even this may not fit depending on the cut. I overheard a few women that were very annoyed at the sizing while I was browsing in Zara recently.
loading...
Zara in Sydney is just disappointing in all areas. Price, style etc
loading...
I agree. I don’t get the fuss over Zara.
loading...
Yes!! I bought a jacket and jumper from Zara that were both L. I thought they may be based on Euro sizing.
loading...
Yep me too I’m a twelve and at Zara thats pretty much the biggest size they stock!
loading...
Maybe it’s Asian sizing? Ie very petite
loading...
I’m a size 8 and have found that a 6 in sportsgirl could very well be a 10, everythings so big and loose on me…which is why I don’t shop there. Otherwise I haven’t really noticed, I always seem to be an 8 everywhere I shop.
loading...
Sportsgirl is so weird, I think they’re just really poorly made.
I tried their jeans once upon a time. They’re almost always too big. I tried a nice pair of dark skinny ones that fitted perfectly in a size 6, but wanted the light ones. They ordered them in, and when I came to collect they were massive by comparison. I tried on some black skinny jeans which fit in the bum and legs, but the waist was so small that it gave me a muffin top. And my measurements are 82-61-85, so it’s pretty hard to give me a muffin top =S
loading...
Jeans are always super hard because the dye effects the cut in a huge way (black jeans will often stretch more than blue). Denim companies should cater to this when labelling sizes, but they won’t – if they want to move stock of a particular colour or cut, vanity sizing will come into it.
loading...
Go buy a pair of G Stars… best decision I ever made!
loading...
On holiday in Sydney a few years ago I found a lovely store and decided to try on a beautiful silk skirt in size 12. It didn’t quite fit right – sat just a little too high on my hips. So I asked the sales assistant for the next size up. He loudly proclaimed “oh, a SIZE EIGHT!” with a wink.
I corrected him, “no, a size fourteen, thank you!”
For goodness sake, there really is no need for all of this falsity. Who cares what size you are? Do you wear the tags on the outside?
And p.s. Some women should really learn that squeezing into a smaller size does not mean it fits!
This behaviour is especially counterproductive for underwear; slightly larger sized underwear: no VPL!
loading...
I agree alyssakt – I always go up a couple of sizes in underwear to avoid the dreaded VPL!
loading...
This drives me up the wall as well! In any vintage clothing my mother kept from the 70s the clothes are a size 12, I used to be a size 8 in most stores, but now even a 6 is too big! And retailers in Australia wonder why people shop online, it’s my only option when many stores don’t stock size 6 and even when they do they are too big….
loading...
My 11 month old wears size 0!
loading...
touche!
On that note, even kids clothes are becoming more difficult… not sure about boys as I have daughters, but the size difference between shops is bloody annoying… especially as it’s hard to take them shopping and then I have exchange so many things
loading...
What do you mean?
I’m totally an xxxxxs and size 4. (I only shop at Country Road).
loading...
Very frustrating when you are a (trying to be) stylish lady living in the country!
I get one or two chances a year to go to the city and shop at my favourite stores. I have one day (which means about 6 hours max) to find and try on a year’s wardrobe staples. It just doesn’t happen when I never know what size I am going to be, and usually end up feeling like a blimp because everything is sized for a twelve year old pre-pubescent girl, not a short lady with curves!
I would buy online but most sites provide no true indication of the sizing or fit of the garments.
Recently on a quick weekend trip away dropped into Rivers and grabbed a pair of jeans I liked on sale. Change rooms were freezing cold and I had a toddler with me so I just went with my pretty standard size 12.
When I got home I could have fitted my bf in there with me! Complete fail, because even though I have lovely curves, they make my behind look like the saggy baggy elephant! In normal terms these would have to be what is classically termed a 16. Ridiculous.
loading...
Natalie, I know exactly what you mean. I live in the country and rarely get to the coast to go clothes shopping. Most of my clothes come from Ezibuy online, and even their sizing is inconsistant. I can’t stand it when sizes are different within the store! In Target I am a size ten with their regular brands, but when I buy something in the Hot Options section, I’m a twelve!
loading...
I’m off to shop at Country Road! ;P
loading...
Sub zero clothing? Really Nicole Miller…. to me that just sounds cold.
loading...
My personal favourite was trying on jeans last year to discover that it was the Size 10 that fit me. My response was to tell the shop assistant that they had their sizing wrong because I am most definitely a Size 12…. and on the rounder end of Size 12 too! … her response was no no the sizing is spot on… and didn’t I feel great about fitting into a Size 10. I have to say I just laughed. Um no says I… I just think less of your store that you think so little of women’s self esteem and body image, that somehow a Size 10 is more desirable than a perfectly healthy Size 12. I co-run an ethical clothing company. Not only do we make clothing that is not made by children and produced in safe and healthy working environments, and preferrably organic cotton… we are also passionate about sizing clothing to real people. And I am the size 12. Always will be. This is the environment I want to create for my daughter and her body image. That clothing sizing is not something to peg your self esteem on. Create a better world – now there is something to peg your self esteem on.
loading...
Hi natalie, what is the name of your company? Hope thats ok to post on here.. Ive been interested in purchasing “nicely produced” clothes for a while. Thanks
loading...
I think it’s this one: http://3fish.com.au/
You can also check out http://www.ethicalclothingaustralia.org.au/consumer/accredited-brands for a list of accredited brands =)
loading...
Thanks Shannon
loading...
Sizing is all out of whack and far out it’s annoying!
I’ve found Cue and Sportsgirl sizing to be too big for dresses and pants/jeans – their size 6 is really big and doesn’t fit me properly. Same goes for Target (who rarely even stock size 6 for work pants). I mostly shop online and stick to the same brands, like Bardot, Lee, MinkPink and Ksubi because their sizes at least stay consistent.
loading...
Excuse me while I sob into my keyboard . . .
loading...
LOL
loading...
Make women’s pants and skirts like men’s sizing – inches for waist / or hips and then short medium or long in the leg. Then we have no problem – if you are a 28″ waist then you are that everywhere !
loading...
I would LOVE that too!
loading...
I think jeans sizes in the US are like that – well, I know that size 29 fit me perfectly in every store I tried. Oh how I wish it were the same here! I have jeans ranging from 9 to 12. ugh.
loading...
great idea!!
loading...
Mavi jeans (which I have been buying from David Jones for years) are sized like that.
loading...
I hate the sizes that are 1,2,3 etc…I just dont get them, can someone please explain what they translate to ?. I much prefer the typical 8, 10, 12 etc..
As for shoes, I was fitted in Athletes foot and I was size 10. When buying fashion shoes I vary between 9, 10 & 40, 41 & 42. Its so annoying.
loading...
Yes! I wish they’d just stick with European shoe sizes. I’m always a 37 in European-sized shoes. In Aussie shoes I range from 6.5 to 7.5. I think I’ve even had an 8 before.
loading...
Most people take a larger size running shoe than a dress shoe. Particularly as dress shoes are usually made from leather, which stretches, while synthetic and highly padded running shoes do not.
loading...
I always get about a 10 in shoes for netball – I need to be able to move a little bit in them, and also you wear thicker socks and I also sometimes need to accommodate my ankle brace too. And your feet swell when you exercise, so bigger sizes do make sense.
loading...
i have a pair of size 12 jeans which i fit perfectly, and a pair of size 16 jeans that i fit perfectly….and a pair of size 10 black pants which i fit perfectly….go figure!!
i found a skirt i loved in valley girl and tried it on in a large and it was far too tight.., but same day i bought a top there in size small cos the medium was baggy on me (and my bra size is currently 12F, breastfeeding boobs so hardly small!!)
i couldnt tell you what size i actually am, i have everything from a small through to an extra large!!
while the sizes themselves dont bother me too much,…as long as the item fits nicely…it is the main reason why i am too scared to shop online for clothes!
loading...
Well now I feel like shite because I thought I was a size 14 – 16!
loading...
This is so annoying! Before my kids I was 8 to 10, now I’m fitting anything from 8 to 14. I don’t care about being a bit bigger, that often happens when you have kids, what annoys the hell out of me is that I just don’t have a lot of time to shop. Now I have to try on about 3 different sizes as well as different styles, you end up spending hours and I just don’t have that time. Maybe that’s why retailing is suffering, who has the time for all that hassle?
loading...
It would be easier if they did change the ladies sizing to the actual measurements like mens are, so if you are a 36inch bust ( or cm equivalents) then you are a 36inch top ! But that would be too easy.
I only vary between a 10 and 12 in shops so it is not too bad for me, but I find huge variations in the length and that is where I have the issue being almost 6 ft limits me to only a few shops anyway.
loading...
But ’00′ is baby’s sizing!!???
loading...
I went to the states when I was 16, and bought a few things that were 00. I’m all grown up now and fit a ‘normal’ 8. I think 00 would be about a 4 or 6 here? Actually to be honest as a petite teenage, I really struggled in Aus to find more adult clothes given I was such a late bloomer. Having small sizing for adult things is a godsend when you want to stop shopping in the kids section. After a while, glitter logo’s and flowers get a bit inappropriate. I wish Australia had a better selection in that awkward not a kid, but not an adult size gap.
loading...
You know what I would love? Button down shirts with collars that cater for different breast size. I’m an A cup and have spent my whole working life wearing shirts that gape ridiculously from the top button up.
loading...
I have the opposite problem! I have to safety pin the gaps between buttons so they don’t show the world everything I’ve got. If I go too many sizes up the rest of the shirt won’t fit. We need a happy middle ground!
loading...
Me too, 12e boobs and refuse to wear business shirts because they gape open due to enormous rack. I hate business shirts anyway but still.
loading...
I have the same issue! I’ve been told that the UK online store Pepperberry (or Bravissimo)- http://www.bravissimo.com/pepperberry/ – sells shirts designed to accommodate large breasts and I’ve had a browse through their website but haven’t been brave enough to order from them yet – haven’t had a lot of success with online clothing stores…
loading...
I’ve brought clothes online from Bravissimo (before they had Pepperberry) and went off the sizing info and measurements. I got 2 dresses that were too big for me! Next time I order from them I will pick a size 10 or 12. i think it’s well worth reading the comments as well as many people comment on the sizing.
loading...
Thanks for the tip Miss Meerkat!
loading...
Buy business shirts that fit around your waist nicely, then pop a boob tube or camisole underneath. You’ll have a lovely fitted shirt, but won’t be showing miles of cleavage.
loading...
Nice suggestion! Thanks,
loading...
that would be great! I generally can’t wear shirts because my cup size is currently G (breastfeeding) but hasn’t been smaller than DD for 10yrs and shirts that fit the bust area are too big elsewhere and vice versa.
loading...
Try http://www.mrrose.com.au gorgeous hand made Australian shirts made by lovely sydney ladies A bit expensive but so worth it.
loading...
Why thank you Zelicat! Much appreciated – have had a long day of looking after sick toddler, so this has inspired me!!! Bust sizing is close to our hearts and we are also getting more into custom made shirts as regardless of the many options we can offer – our bods are endless in individuality – anyone who wants to talk shirtage and sizage please say hi.
loading...
small boobs – same problem.
Might not be that helpful.. but when I’m in Asia (most recently Vietnam), I buy a lot of work shirts from the department stores there, perfect for flat chests, and me in particular, skinny arms.
loading...
Of all the things you would think are bad, the worst I have found is netball skirts! I consistently have to buy a skirt that is up to 4 sizes larger than I would normally wear.
As a size 14/16, I nearly cried when I had to buy a skirt in a size 22!!!
Promptly cut the tag off when I got home in shame.
I would have thought, particularly for sporting paraphernalia, that promoting a positive body image would have been important, but seems I read the situation wrong…. Again. Silly of me really!
loading...
Oh my gosh, I had the same problem! I’m usually a 10, sometimes a 12… I totally freaked when I needed a 14 netball skirt. To this date, the only item of clothing I’ve ever owned above a 12.
I am very short and a 14 is definitely overweight territory for me – I’m currently at the very top of my healthy BMI range and usually wear a 10.
loading...
when I had to hand over money for an item of clothing with a ’2′ at the front, I was nearly sick!
I went so far as to fold the skirt over with only the price tag hanging out, hoping that the tiny, perky shop assistant in her short shorts wouldn’t see the size!
Pathetic I know !
loading...
I still remember the smirk on the team coordinators face when I shamefully admitted to needing a 14.
She wasn’t a very nice person.
i don’t play on that team anymore.
loading...
If it’s any consolation, I used to work at a sports store and I always told people to go up a few sizes in netball skirts because they are a really small fit (designed to fit both women and younger girls) does this make sense? I hope so!
loading...
Oh I had this problem last week and was feeling quite depressed… But don’t worry, the woman in the sports store explained that netball skirts go from a childrens 6, through to a 30, so are made to fit kids and adults. Go figure… Xx
loading...
I thought about netball skirts with this sizing stuff before, actually – having to buy a size 22 skirt for a size 14, and then they’re weird lengths. I think I get what Nat means, I was thinking along the same lines – they’re actually carried on from girls sizes.
We got dresses like the big girls wear last year – I am a 2XL in that, but that actually fits me size and length wise. Our first game was hilarious though, all the shortarses looked like they were playing dressups in Mummy’s work clothes! LOL Cute on the mini-netballers, not so cute on 37 year old Mums!
loading...
Interesting. There are some shops I deliberately avoid because I know I’ll be looking at the larges despite that I’m normally a size 10. Although larger breasts and decent hips will do that to you
I just remembered a quote from Kath & Kim:
Kim – “No mum, I’m a size 10″
Kath – “Yeah? Country Road size 10″
Kim pulls a face.
Classic!
loading...
The day I bought a size 6 pair of jeans after losing weight – when I had only ever owned 10′s and the very occasional 8 – I was delioursly happy upon leaving the store. For days afterwards, I kept saying to my husband, “can you _believe_ I am wearing size 6!?” …. as you can imagine, I had a rude awakening a few weeks later whilst jeans shopping again… Grabbing the nearest ’6′ and ducking into the change room, I could barely get them over one thigh.
I admit that in those few weeks where I was convinced I was a size 6 – it did wonders to my confidence. Vanity sizing is a copout, but one that works. I will definitely return to that shop again, just so walk out with the smug feeling I am a size 6 – even though I and everyone else in the world knows I am not
PS. Just thought I would add, I like Sportsgirl sizing
loading...
I always found the witchery sizes to be so big! I thought it was just me…
I learnt not to pay too much attention to sizes. When I was a few years younger fitting into a size 6 as such an ego boost. But I was only a size 6 for about a year and now none of those clothes fit me as I’m usually a size 8. Sometimes I’ll buy a size 10 (worryingly at first) but if it fits with better then it looks better, and you forget about the size altogether!
Buying clothes from the US is hard. I’m usually a 4 but a lot of the clothes will be XS or S instead and you really have to know the brands and take a risk with cheaper stuff to get it right…
loading...
This is the one thing that absolutely gives me the shits when I’m shopping. That and trying to find the perfect jeans…. so I just end up buying a hundred tops instead and wearing the old faithful jeans that I love ever so much.
I’m really over it and I don’t understand WHY we don’t have standard sizes across all brands. Here is a list of the sizes I am -
Target – size 10 (woo!)
Sportsgirl – size 16
Temt/Valleygirl – 12 or 14 (I got told the other day in Temt that they don’t do jackets larger than size 12!! Size 12?? She just said “um, nope” and carried on)
Bardot – I don’t even bother trying on their jeans as they only fit women with no curves! Their size 14 is like a size 10…..
The reason I find it so frustrating is because we can only take 5 or 6 items at a time into the change rooms so if I pick up a nice top or a pair of pants I need to pick up THREE sizes in just ONE item so really I’m only taking TWO items in there. And then it’s just downhill from there….
I do realise this is totally a first world problem but it absolutely annoys the bejesus out of me!!
loading...
I totally understand! I stick to target for jeans, they fit well, have short length, and they last well. I never know what size I am elsewhere and would probably walk away disappointed if I fitted into a size 14 elsewhere when I know I’m a target size 10 or a target size 8 if I’ve been sick for a while!
loading...
Super annoying when they have a 4 items only policy for the change room too!
loading...
Yes! and whenever i leave clothes with the assistant to try on next, they always get lost. Sigh. I hate it
loading...
I complained that I had no shoes,then I met a man who had no feet
loading...
Meh, it’s all about perspective which is why I pointed out this is a first world problem. Doesn’t stop it being annoying in my day to day life.
loading...
Omg when I was Jean shopping last year I was in tears because s14 jeans at Bardot didn’t fit. Honesty I felt so bad about myself!! Then size 12 Calvin kleins were too big! Still I felt bad about myself regardless!
loading...
Totally understand. I steer clear of Bardot – it really does make me feel really overweight and I don’t consider myself that big really. They really need to sort themselves out.
loading...
I recently started doing a fashion design course at a community center for fun. When working on our first design we were told that when it came to presentation drawings to trace a model in a magazine and then elongate it so that the body was the length of 11 heads! So in short take a body that is already tall and thin (and not representative of everyday people) and then make it even taller and thinner.
Now I can’t really draw at all well so I am relying on this course to teach me those skills, but that makes me wonder how many designers out there can’t really draw either who have been taught to do things this way and continue to do things this way because this is the way they have been taught. It has become apparent to me that changes need to occur not just with the designers but at the institutions where they are taught in the first place.
loading...
I love my Curve ID Levi’s – the most comfortable and well fitting pair of jeans I’ve ever owned! Just by reading the descriptions I knew which one I was, so simple and so effective.
loading...
It doesn’t really. The day I fit into Size 14 Valleygirl jeans after losing 14kg this year – I TWEETED about it. It was a victory – whereas there’d be no tweeting from a Target or a Kmart, or a Katies changeroom. The cheaper shops like Valleygirl and Supre have always had smaller sizes. I always presumed it was because their clothes were made in Taiwan or China (or whatever) – and their sizes are smaller. Or because they’re aimed at younger women who y’know, haven’t given birth. It certainly doesn’t offend me.
Sometimes I try on Size 9 shoes and they swim on me. Other times they’re tight and narrow and give me blisters just by looking at them. It depends where they’re made. Are my feet offended? NO!!! WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!!
loading...
I am not influenced by what size the tags say on clothes – I just buy whatever fits. I’ve just as happily bought size 14 or size 10. I have been bothered though that recently I have been fitting into Small and even XS – I am just under 6 foot and weigh 68 kilograms and there is no way that those clothes should be anywhere near an XS. That’s crazy.
I’m more annoyed by the ‘one size fits all’ of the 80cm waistline guideline. I just measured my waist at 79 cm. I have a BMI of 20.5 and am considered skinny. How then am I borderline obese? Surely there should be a more accurate measurement for this? I’m hoping there is because there is no way my waist is getting any smaller.
Regarding the Levis jeans – I love them (I have a sway back – I think that’s the right term?) and go for the Bold, but they do actually still have sizes: waist measurement in inches (29, 30, 31 etc).
loading...
I’ve just updated the article to reflect the inch sizes for curve jeans – it seems I wasn’t so clear. Now, do they have a style called pancake or flat bum?
loading...
Thanks Nicky! Can’t help you there I’m sorry
However do you know any more about the 80cm guideline – is there a link with more information?
Just editted to add: took the initiative and looked up the Measure Up site myself. Apparently the measurement applies regardless of height. Well, that’s just dandy.
http://www.measureup.gov.au/internet/abhi/publishing.nsf/Content/factsheet-waist-measurement
loading...
Curve jeans suck because they only go up to a 34 – which is what a size 12/14!
loading...
I’m a 30 and I would say I’m size 12 which I guess would make the 34 a 16? Hope that helps.
loading...
These jeans are awful for those of us who are tall. I’m usually a size 16 and I’m 5 foot 10. The button and zip ended in the middle of my vee-jay!
loading...
They come in different rises – I never go for the low rise for that reason! But mid and high are fine and comfortable. They are not always available though…
loading...
What’s a sway back? Is it where the small of your back curves WAY in? And makes your bum stick out?
loading...
Yep – that’s what I think it means and what I meant when I used that term. I should probably look it up and know for sure!
I console myself that dancers tend to have sway backs…
loading...
I’m with Fifi, who said ‘just try it on and if it fits, size doesn’t matter’ or words to that effect. It’s made me a bit wary about going online to shop, though, because I’m far too lazy to bother with returning things that don’t fit.
Does anyone have rexommendations for bullet proof online shopping sites?
loading...
If you know your measurements, buying online isn’t too difficult. Most websites publish to-fit measurements and sites like Asos, Net-a-porter etc have models and will describe the height of the model and the size she is wearing so you can sort of compare her with yourself.
loading...
Not sure if I’ve been ‘deceived’ by vanity sizing but I have noticed clothes in Cue seem to be made a bit bigger – I can fit into most 12s in Cue whereas I’d be a 14 anywhere else. I haven’t had the problems with Country Road that others seem to have had (in the comments below) – I’m always a medium or a 12 in tops and a 14 in bottoms there, and dresses will vary. And I find the sizing much the same in Witchery… it could just be the styles that I’m buying, or the fact that they cater better for my shape than other stores.
The Levi’s Curve ID jeans come in sizes as well as shapes, eg 30, 32 etc. I don’t own a pair, but if that refers to actual inches and the jeans are that size, then fantastic.
I love that men’s clothes are actually the size they say – a shirt in a 41 will be 41cm around the neck, for example. Where did the numbers 8, 10, 12, 14, 16 come from? They don’t seem to refer to any actual measurement.
loading...
Oh and Sportsgirl sizing is (usually) great – I have lots of pants from there, and for someone who can never find well-fitting pants, it’s great to be able to go in and always fit into a 12 or a 14, depending on the cut. I’m happy to try on two different sizes as long as I know it’s always the same two!
loading...
I am petite, a size six pear shape and not very tall. If you’ve got vanity sizing I don’t come back because I can’t. Nothing will fit me.
I also find that the cut doesn’t change for your size. I never buy tops from target as the size eight inevitably has my boobs hanging out (quite an achievement for an a-cup!). Size six pants will fit my waist but not my behind (and none of those special levis fit me). I now wear dresses most of the year as they are reasonably forgiving. Despite the fact most size sixes are short, everything must be hemmed.
Out of interest, how do you decide what size you actually are? I go by my jeans, which are the same brand and almost the same size I have always worn.
loading...
How has vanity sizing affected me? Well, once upon a time I didn’t have too much trouble finding clothes to fit, now I do.
While I’m sure it sucks that you could be a 12 in one store and an 8 in another…it also sucks going from 8 to a non-existent 4.
loading...
Size discrepancies aren’t just about vanity. My sister worked for a Chinese-owned clothing manufacturer based in Sydney. When they ran out of size 12′s to fill an order they just re-labelled size 10′s as 12′s so it looked like they’d supplied the order correctly.
Knowing how non-standard sizing can be I take a few into the change room. The one I wish I was, the one I might be if I’m having a good day, and one higher than that which is more likely to fit. Then I pretend to myself that I can’t see the number on the label and that I’m not really putting on weight, it’s the labelling that’s to blame. That little deception only lasts till I get home & try on something that I know used to fit. Sigh.
loading...
I still remember my mum telling me something didn’t fit right, and making me try on 3 items that were supposedly the same size to get the perfect fit… now I know why! That is so dodgy, relabelling the sizes
loading...
I have tried on different sized tops of the same style at stores before and been amazed at how one medium-size can look fine but another medium looks like it is swimming on me. Next time I’ll be more suspicious.
loading...
What annoys me is vanity bra sizing. I am a size 10DD and it’s so hard to find affordable bras that fit. And now, most bras are marked as bigger than they are to make people feel better. It’s so frustrating!
loading...
May I suggest this bra? http://www.lovable.com.au/best-sellers/baroque-underwire-bra/w1/i1547386_1753916/
The baroque bra is fantastic, very supportive but not matronly. And no, I’m not on the Lovable payroll
loading...
Totally agree. Bra buying can bring me to tears. I don’t really care what size I am, i just want something that fits. But I shouldn’t have to try on 50 bras in a variety of sizes and brands just to find one bra.
Cup size should be the same across all brands.
loading...
Uh, agreed on the bra front! I’d love to have an official set of bra sizes used everywhere for every brand. I bought 3 10DD bras at the start of the year and I’m getting the to stage where even they are too small now.. but I am dreading going into any store looking for 10E as I can just imagine the challenge! I’ve been to bra’snthings but is there anywhere else people can suggest? I’d love to hear!!
loading...
Try http://www.debras.com.au – cater for larger boob sizes with a lovely range that don’t make you feel you are wearing a hammock or are 90 years old!
loading...
I bought 12dd and 12e bras from Target of all places. They’re terrific! First time I’ve bought bras from them and I’ll be going back for more when I need them
loading...
Bendon make a decent bra in a 10DD that’s only about $35! Downside is that it’s a new-ish style and only comes in something like white, watermelon and a dark purple.
loading...
I hear you there! Being a 32GG (in most brands) I can’t buy a bra in Sydney for under $200.
Go online to Bravissimo in the UK and they are around $80-90. But because different brands and even styles within the brands are actually different sizes I can only buy online AFTER I’ve purchased in a store here.
And no, can’t just try on and buy online. At the specialist stores I go to you pay a fitters fee if you don’t buy anything
loading...
I love DeBras, I recently took my sister there she is a 6J but varies depending on the brand. They have a huge range and the fitters are really friendly and helpful. Some of the sale bras are in big sizes and are only $25.
loading...
Wow- I had a completely different transaction with them then! Went in, it was absolute chaos, was 30 minutes before someone said “I’ll help you in a minute”, another 20 minutes before I actually got asked what I wanted (which required yelling a response back over the entire store “A Corset”, “What for?” “My wedding” “What size?” “Umn 18D bra” Fun- NOT)
another 20 minutes before said corset appeared, and ushered into changing room, where she detailed how the boning finishes at the waist “Somewhere in there” as she vaguely pointed to my fat rolls.
If I weren’t getting married a couple of days later I would have walked out at that point. Ridiculously expensive too.
loading...
Lord This frustrates me so much. I can wear anything from an 8-12 depending on where I buy from. Ridiculously frustrating especially when I buy clothes online. And sometimes buying from the same place doesn’t even counter the problem. The other day I bought three dresses from TopShop – all a size 10 (because Nicky told me to buy a 10 and I bow to her stylist commands). One was a little big, the other two were too small to fit over my shoulders.
loading...
Mmmmm.
Do they fit Nicky?!
loading...
Same, Lana. I bought a pair of jeans online from Just Jeans, and they were a perfect fit, so I ordered another pair – exactly the same. The second pair – even though they are tagged exactly the same as the first pair – are too small. I’ve had the same problem with clothes from Target, and also Ezibuy. Sooo frustrating when online shopping is the only form of buying clothes (downside of country life)…
loading...
Sell them on Ebay? People (like me!) will often look for Topshop on ebay
loading...
I sent them back. They were very light (thank god(
loading...
Country Road is THE WORST! Ojay isnt far behind.
From clothes I have tried on, I think Target is going a bit the same way.
I hate vanity sizing. I think standard sizes really need to be introduced.
I am what I would call an average size 12. However in Country Road I fit into an 8. It doesnt make me feel good, it just makes me feel really sorry for the people who are actually an 8. How do they find clothes that fit?!
The fact is, if you dont like the size you are, you have 2 choices. Cut the tag out! Or do something about it!
…..The conspiracy theorist in my wants to beleive that the shops are changing up their sizing all the time to curb online buying as we feel we now always need to try clothes on as there is no consistency.
loading...
Share your frustration with Country Road, I am an around about an 8 (but then who really knows any more) and their size 6 pants are too big for me, and I mean ridiculously too big. Same goes for Cue. Dotti’s size 8 on the other hand is a tight squeeze so I would buy their 10 but i’d really prefer to spend more on clothes and get better quality. Thing is I’m petite, but I know plenty of women smaller than I am and it really makes me wonder how they manage to find clothes!
loading...
Having said that I do have a vintage Country Road pencil skirt in my wardrobe that is labelled an 8 but it is such a tight squeeze that I can only wear it when I’ve been in an exercising phase, right now I am in a lazy phase and not exercising so it doesn’t fit.
loading...
Hehe, I basically have 2 separate wardrobes.
- 1 for exercising phase time (lots of clothes, because ofcourse I shop much more when I look better lol).
- 1 for lazy time – not much choice
Sadly, im currently wearing the lazy time clothes…..but I have started runnng again in the last couple of weeks.
‘Exercise time’ pretty clothes, here I come!
loading...
TARGET! how i had you and your business pants sizing farce….
apparently im magical and i can fit in a size 12, 14 and 16 like a glove dependint on whether the pants have pinstripes or not
loading...
I honestly think that vanity sizing does nothing for me. I am a size 10 in most shops, and seriously if i take a 10 into the change room and it doesnt fit, i legitimately dont buy it because i dont want to buy into the scam. recently i tried on pants at Bardot, and the 12 was the closest fit. I know i am not a size 12 anywhere else, so i refused to buy it. If my measurements changed it would be a different story, but for the moment, while my weight and measurements stay the same, i am only going to buy (size 10) things that fit me – if shops want to ‘play games’ with sizes, i will just buy elsewhere.
loading...
I realise just how out of hand this whole vanity sizing thing is when I go into Country Road and now have to try on XXS and it’s still sometimes too big!
Yes, I know I’m short and have always worn a small – but after 2 kids I’m definitely bigger than I was 2 decades ago. Where’s this trend headed I wonder – XXXXXXXS?
loading...
I think we’ll start to see more size zeros (and “subzeros”)
loading...
I find Country Road to be a terrible offender in this regard. Because their stuff is generally well made and classic, I have items of theirs in my wardrobe (navy pants that I wear to work) that i bought 20 years ago marked size 10. I also have a pair of shorts I bought last year from then marked size two. It’s ridiculous- my measurements haven’t changed much at all in the last two decades (I certainly haven’t lost any weight, having had 2 kids) but their sizing clearly has.
loading...
Snap! Kylie we posted at the same time – see my comment above!
loading...
There are two Anonymous’s complaining like me about Country Road! But I agree with both of you
loading...
i dont get it.. i just try thing on till they fit..
i dont mind i am different sizes – just look at the sizing chart online…
surely its not that big of a deal?
loading...
It’s a big deal to me because I literally don’t have time to go from store to store trying things on trying to find something that fits. I seemingly don’t have your average Jo shape as it’s always been a problem to me (though so much more these days without standard sizing). Broad across back but not the huge boobs to fill out the front. Long waisted. Tall. And now, post babies, illness and medications I have a belly to try and fit as well.
It’s extremely frustrating and depressing. I would like to wear and fit stylish clothes, but it’s so hard to come by something that fits and is available. I”m really cranky with the fashion industry for this. I wouldn’t mind so much if particular stores carry particular sizes but there is so much variety among the one brand. I despise having to take 3 different sizes of the same shirt into the change room. I have kids with me, and very little time on my own to do this…aarrgh. And sizing charts on line don’t necessarily help.
loading...
Try Veronika Maine expensive but well cut and last. I’ve always had big boobs hips and butt, in the last few years I’ve gained a belly (thank you injury). But have some beautiful well fitting clothes from them. Also david Lawrence has some great stuff too.
loading...