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You walk into a store, see an item of clothing you like and decide to try it on. Now unless you are a seasoned shopper or have a good eye for fit, chances are you’ll take various sizes of the same garment into the changing room.

Why? Two words: vanity sizing. It’s a practice where clothing manufacturers reduce the sizes of their clothing in order for women to feel good about their bodies and in turn buy their clothing. A positive consumer experience also means customers are more likely to return to that store and buy more.

While dress sizes are shrinking, and we believe we are getting smaller, we are also told that obesity and obesity related illnesses are on the rise. According to the Sunday Telegraph, size discrepancies in women’s clothing are causing concern among public health officials. The national guidelines aiming to tackle obesity under the ‘measure up’ campaign, suggest that a woman with a waistline greater than 80cm is more prone to heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure and some cancers.

“A size 12, or medium in popular women’s retailer Witchery, caters for a waistline of 85-89cm. The same waist measurement at Country Road is a size 16, or extra large. A size 12 at Suzanne Grae fits an 80cm waist.”

So now a size 12 is considered obese? Great. From someone who buys a medium in Witchery, this is not particularly comforting news. In fact it makes me angry. Even though my body mass index sits in the healthy range for my height and weight, I still feel like I’ve been duped.

various hangers 300 Vanity sizing. Go figure.

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It’s not only Australian women who are affected by vanity sizing. If you’ve ever shopped online from the US or UK, you’ll know how hard it is to get the right fit. Alaina Zulli, an American designer studying dress sizes in Vogue advertisements from 1922 onwards, found that clothing sizes have been irregular for decades.

“A woman with a 32-inch bust would have worn a Size 14 in Sears’s 1937 catalog. By 1967, she would have worn an 8. Today, she would wear a zero,” Ms. Zulli said.

As designers and clothing manufacturers continue to mess with our heads -and sense of self- US designer Nicole Miller has introduced a size smaller than zero. Temporarily called the “subzero” it is for petite women with 23½-inch (59.7cm) waists and 35-inch (88.9cm) hips. Another US retailer, Banana Republic has also begun offering a “00″ on its website.

With all these differences, no wonder we’re confused about which size to take into the changing room. Denim brand, Levi’s has recognised the frustration most of us feel in having to try on four different sizes and has introduced Curve ID. Having already sold one million pairs of the jeans, the styles go by the shape of a woman’s derriere – slight, demi, bold and supreme and come in a variety of styles, washes and sizes (32, 34 .etc) to fit.

Shopping malls in America have also looked into body scanning technology that will tell shoppers which sizes they are in different boutiques. But how is this for a novel idea, instead of investing in technology and marketed styles, why not just make standard sizes exactly what they are meant to be – standard across all brands.

Have you ever been deceived by vanity sizing?

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  1. KD

    Vanity sizing frustrates me! Being naturally petite (5’2″, 47kgs) it is really hard to buy clothes when retailers seem to be making them bigger and bigger. Sometimes I find myself resorting to the kids section at target, or wearing a 3xs from supre.

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  2. Chris Ball

    This is an absolutely fabulous article. I’m currently in the process of compiling all world and sizing data for http://www.bodiluv.com and I might as well be chasing my tail.

    Hopefully the site (bodiluv) will help make a small dent in a global problem.
    Great article.

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  4. harriet

    I do textiles and its illegal to make clothes smaller than the standard measurements for each size, but there is no regulation on how much larger you make it

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  5. Anonymous

    its great that there are more options for the “average” person but they really need to consider small people! changing the label doesn’t really matter. If i shoot myslef in the arm, calling the bullet paint won’t change the fact that there’s a bullet in my arm. I just want to go to a store , get some clothes , try them on instead of getting different sizes of the same thing

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  6. Sarah

    I haven’t so much noticed the issue of ‘vanity sizing’ but more that different stores and different labels have slightly different sizings, whether that be up or down – I don’t seem to see a problem with it.
    I came across an Australian designer called Katie Perry (cool name, I know) on Facebook the other day and her clothing’s as much about comfort as it is about style and fashion. Definitely something worth checking out I reckon – we’re all sick of thinking we’re too fat or skinny or tall or short. In the end, comfort is key!
    Kind of hard to find so here’s a link to her fb: http://www.facebook.com/katieperryfan

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  7. Anonymous

    My new job supplies a uniform….I was wondering what size pants to order as my own wardrobe has pants from size 10 to 16. But they were very helpful and put the measurements next to the sizes. Great! Only one little problem- according to them, I have a size 10 bum and a 14 waist! I’ve ordered the bigger size, knowing I’ll probably be taking them in…

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  8. Sienna

    seriously, just stop complaining about being fat. small women need to buy clothes too.

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  9. Cleo

    I’m a size 8. I’ve always been a size 8. I’m a size bigger than I was 15 years ago. But I’m still a size 8.
    Someone commented recently that I always wear skirts or dresses, never trousers (except jeans) My reason is that no one makes trousers small enough to fit me. Most skirts & dresses can be taken in fairly easily, not trousers.

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  10. firenat

    Vanity sizing is infuriating. I used to be a size 3, now I am a size 00??

    It’s great that slightly plumper gals can feel good about wearing a size 3, but us naturally skinny gals can’t buy ANYTHING off the rack anymore! I have to tailor my own clothing or pay extra money to have it tailored for me!

    Sizing – especially jeans – should all be based off of our actual measurements… like men’s jeans. My husband is a 30×32, and he has never had trouble finding a pair of pants that fit.

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    • firenat

      Sorry, I should have mentioned that we’re struggling with sizes in America, too. A 30×32 measurement probably didn’t make much sense…

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  11. megalasaurus

    Its not just different stores that have inconsistent sizing, its within the store itself! I walked out of Forever New a few weeks back with two tops – one a size 8, the other size 12. Both reasonably fitted tops, fitting me well, but completely different sizes.

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  12. anna84

    To the small women who have trouble getting clothes – go to Asia! when I lived there I was a size 10 and I always had to wear XL. M would be a size 6-8 and S would be size 4-6. All the western women who were considered medium sized back home were mortified to find that clothes wouldn’t even fit them. Some sales assistants were very blunt and would simply say “Sorry you’re too fat to fit anything here.” I thought that was extremely rude but my local friends told me it was just part of their culture to be more honest about these matters…..

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  13. guest

    Sizes over time have certainly changed. I’m mostly a size 8, but have some of late mother’s vintage clothes from the 70s which are size 12!
    On a recent trip to Hong Kong, I tried on a Puma sports top which was a LARGE!

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  14. Jacquiem

    I am on the petite end of the spectrum and I am finding that a number of stores have completely boycotted size 6 (or xs) sizing, forcing me to get some of my clothing from *shrieks* Supre. It’s annoying that smaller sizes are boycotted because the public thinks they are not an appropriate or relevant size in today’s society [In Australia] where the average women is a 12-14 in clothing. I have also found that a number of brands such as Sportsgirl and Jacqui.E do have XS or size 6, but on me, the clothes are swimming as if they were an 8-10. I do agree, there would be alot less hassle if standard sizing across brands in Australia could be established.

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  15. dorothykrajewski

    I find it devastating that I can go into a store, find a size 16 (which in itself is a rarity!), try it on and find that I can barely get into it! And then elsewhere I fit into a size 12! I’m not very good at telling by just looking at clothes as to how big they really are, so shopping can be extremely frustrating…

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  16. Holly

    As a curvy 5’1, size 12-14 (in most labels) woman with a short, high waist and large E size breasts, I would so love to be able to afford to have a tailor and get everything custom made for me, then I wouldn’t have to worry about vanity sizing and trying to get standard fit clothes to look half decent on me! But that’s not an option so I find shopping for clothes to mostly be a pain and not much fun. Shoes are generally much easier!!

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  17. Noelle

    I never have any problems with this, and I never have to try on more than one size, and I have no problem ordering from online.. I know my measurements off by heart and that helps.

    It’s about being sensible. I know that at Witchery I might be a size 12, but I couldn’t fit into ANY Bardot jeans. I know that Jacqui E will have bigger sizes, Sass & Bide will have smaller.

    It’s not all that difficult. You’d have to have zero awareness of your body type and brands that cater for your body type in order to have a serious problem with this.

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    • Kris2040

      I think by reading through all the comments it shows that people are acutely aware of their body shape and size and still have trouble.
      You have even just pointed out the problem that the majority of posters have with inconsistent sizing between brands!

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      • Noelle

        It would be awesome if our sizes were just measurements. Pants were 80-85, tops were 90-95 etc. T’would be great.

        But then that brings up a whole range of other issues. For example, I would say my natural waist is the bit where my body curves inwards, but my trainer measures my waist around my belly button… but… I mean… anyway.

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        • Kris2040

          Yeah, but then we have to contend with whatever is considered the ideal body shape at time.

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    • Bee

      Actually I have found that clothes the same size at some stores are not always the ‘same size’, eg. Country Road. I am a 14 and I know Esprit make their clothes small so don’t go there but still try the sizes on elsewhere.
      This has been going on for years though. there was a major survey taken by a surf brand about 10 years ago but it seems nothing much came of it. I

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      • busymum

        The mother in law bought my 16 month old daughter some esprit clothes, including jeans, and she’s by no means a chubby baby (i can certify that she is FAR too busy to get any quality chub on her!), but have decided those jeans are for ‘good’ wear only, cause they’re so slender made in the waist that its an ordeal pulling them up after a nappy change! so it begins that early!! LOL!

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  18. Anonymous

    I’m a size 14 in australia. In Canada I brought a jacket in size 8!! They need negative sizes in this case

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    • Noelle

      That’s because US sizes start at 0.

      2 = 6, 4= 8, 6 = 10, 8 = 12 etc etc etc etc

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      • lt

        I thought that was the case too, but on a recent trip to the US I was in a department store and wanted to try on some pants. The salesperson told me to try on whatever size I was at home, and sure enough that’s just what fitted me
        Not sure what was going on there as I was always under the impression that their sizings were smaller/different..

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  19. InKL

    I’m deceived by vanity sizing all the time. My mind says one thing but the mirror always sets me straight.

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  20. Cricket22

    I’m not fussed about the size as long as they fit well. But I tried on some clothes at Marc’s yesterday and the size 12 dress was skin tight, size 10 dress way too big (different style) and settled on a nice black skirt in a Large… and it was a snug fit! How ridiculous that three different sizes in the same store varied so much!

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  21. clairek

    Over the years I’ve discovered that if I am happy with my weight and body shape it won’t bother me what size I have to buy – which can be between 8 and 14. It just depends on the item, the store I’m in and the fit I’m after.

    I have 2 pairs of skinny leg jeans from Jeanswest that are size 11, are the same style but in 2 different colours – go figure but the blue are tighter than the black ones. WTF?

    I do find maternity clothes sizing even weird though and it’s bothered me becuase I’m not enjoying the weight gain a whole lot. I went to buy some maternity jeans from Jeanswest when I was about 14 weeks preggo, and discovered that the size 8 fit me but the 10 were too big and the 12s were enormous! Then I went to Target maternity expecting the same thing. I’m usually a 10 in skirts and pants there. Oh no,not in maternity I’m not, I need a 12…WTF?

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    • Kris2040

      I nearly ended up in tears trying to find maternity stuff at about the same stage, too, claire. Target drove me bonkers! I’m normally a 14/16, and some of the stuff they had was just weird. Towards the end of my pregnancy they launched the Catriona Rowntree range, and there was a strapless dress and a halterneck. I couldn’t wear either at the best of times, let alone while knocked up! I was lucky too – I was all bump, so for a long time I got away with my normal stuff and baggy gear I had already.
      I found KMart was good – I am still wearing my maternity stuff 4 months after having Katharine!

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  22. Bo

    I’m 5’2, 52kgs with a D/sometimes DD bust and big hips & a big bum.

    Because of this, I have loads of different sizes in my wardrobe. And I really couldn’t give a shit what size anything is as long as it fits well. I have worked in retail for ages and I’m always astounded about how caught up in sizes women get. I had women squeeeeeeze themselves into size 10s that were terribly unflattering when the 12 looked great. And no one would have know what the size was anyway!!

    That said, what does bother me is that vanity sizing means that the smaller sizes like myself are often the ones who miss out. When a store’s alleged size 8 is really a big size 10 in disguise then there are no options for the real size 8s. The worst perpetrators of this are Country Road, Sportsgirl and Witchery. There is no way in hell that a Witchery sz XS is a true XS – its more like a 10, which I’m sorry but I don’t consider that “extra small”.

    Its really really annoying when you’re swimming in the store’s smallest size because they thought that women would feel better if there was a smaller number in the back of their coats. Based on the comments below – it doesn’t make larger women feel better anyway!!

    Also – does anyone know where you can buy sz 8D/DD bras? I can wear a 10D but my back is really small and I think an 8 would be a better fit.

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    • picardie.girl

      Not sure, but Fayreform might do bras that size. If you are in Sydney, and willing to spend a pretty penny for the right bra, “More Than a Handful” is a beautiful shop for bigger busts.

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      • Kris2040

        pg, I’ve even found the size discrepancies with Fayreforms! I had a shocking day trying them on at Myer or DJs. I ended up in a 22J or something in one style. Go compare that to a 16E in a shop! I felt like shit. But mostly just frustrated.

        But once you find one that fits – go nuts on EBay and get as many as you can!

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    • LissyLouLou

      If you are in Melbourne, try Brava Lingerie in Prahran. I am a 14G (oh, how I wish for a D cup!) and they specialise in cup size D and beyond.

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    • Bee

      Bo, if you are in Sydney contact Julia at Utopia in Warriewood. She has lots of sizes and willing to help. You could also Google the shop and phone her they probably would do online sale.

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  23. missb

    It’s not even the inconsistency between retailers, it’s the inconsistency in the same bloody store that’s annoying! I’ve got work dresses from Target in sizes 8, 10, and 12 for example.

    Bra shopping is even worse for sizing though I reckon.

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  24. Anonymous

    I haven’t noticed any changes in the Aussie sizing in the past 8 years that I have lived here. I was a size 10 when I moved here and still am, and my weight has stayed the same too. What I do struggle with is that everything seems to be wide and short. Being Scandinavian I struggle to find pants in particular that fit, and I always have to have them taken down. I noticed someone below commented on always having to hem pants, think of it this way: At least it’s an option. It’s hard to magically make more fabric appear.

    However, on a recent trip back to Denmark, where I used to be a size 38-40, I was shocked to learn that I am now a size 36 or XS/S… Yes I have lost a bit of weight recently, but not that much!!!

    That said, I’m still hoping to find a couple of brands in Australia, that will actually fit me the way brands do back home.

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    • ParisChic

      Just wanted to say hej! I’m in DK at the moment enjoying home made leverpostej, flæskesteg, fresh strawberries… dejligt :)

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  25. littlebrownduck

    I am right on the average. 165cm tall, 59 kilos weight, 12B/32B bra size, and yet I can be anything from an xs (sussan) to a Large/average in most boutiques. However there is one constant – every pair of pants or jeans is going to be too long (and who hems these days?? so annoying) and yet almost every skirt is too short. WTF? Clothes are mostly made in China so lets face it, even though they may be ‘designed’ by someone with a certain shape in the measurements, the quality of the cloth is usually so appalling and the quality control non-existent – hello Sportsgirl and Esprit! that buttons fall off/hems fall down within one or two washes. Vanity sizing doesn’t impress me. I usually buy bigger anyway as everything is so crap and guaranteed to shrink. Seriously, does anybody know where to buy any decent clothes anymore? I was a convert to dangerfield for a while but the quality is rubbish for the price. I used to sew at school/uni but you can’t even find quality fabric anymore. Where are the Florence Broadhurst’s of our generation? People with a genuinely unique eye for design/pattern. All we do is recycle. And people look crap these days. Sexy is all there is. Sexy is boring, people. ‘Sexy’ is kitsch and unattractive. Too overt/obvious and embarrassing. I’m seeing it as tacky. Put away those stupid red soled stilettos! It’s the fashion equivalent of smoking. A ‘rebellion’ sold to you by a person who’s ideas about women you may like to read about in the most recent weekend supplement magazine. I wear flats to work and automatically weave around women wearing ridiculous shoes because you can’t change your stride at short notice can you? There is nothing more annoying than the vain and stupid “clop clop” of shoes on the floorboards while trying to work. And why? Please people, don’t wear these shoes to work – it makes you look like a fool and annoys everyone around you. People say heels look sexy. I don’t find them sexy at all. Women in heels always remind me of horses. And unless you are really skinny I think any heels, and particulary the needle thin stiletto make a woman’s body look very heavy in contrast. But it makes your bum and tits jiggle in a suggestive way so I guess that’s what men mean by sexy. But why do women wear them to the office? The one place we say we don’t want to be approached in a sexual way? Beats me. Think about it chicks!

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    • lisseut

      I used to feel the way you did, not having any decent clothes in the shops, that looked a bit different from everybody else. Then I discovered this fabulous online store Shopruche. It has lots of lovely clothes, shoes, jewelry etc, for not a lot of money. I haven’t bought anything from a retail store for a long time now.

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      • Suzy

        I told my garnmdohter how you helped. She said, “bake them a cake!”

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  26. When an 8 used to fit.

    When you’re in the healthy weight range and 8 is sometimes too big, you know something is wrong with the system. I’m starting to think this standard concept of 8 being petite, 10 medium and 12 large is long since passed. These days, If I filled out a 10, I’d be overweight, or a body builder. And I’m not THAT short. I worry we’re normalizing obesity.

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  27. out of proportion

    Yep, the inconsistency in stores is annoying, alright….and to all those girls who say their body shape is not in proportion, I hear ya!! Even if there was one consistent size in each store, I will never be the same in both top and bottom. When I was younger I was a size 8-10 bottom with DD cup boobs, now I’ve gained a bit of weight, size 10-12 bottom and E cup boobs. I’ve got quite a thick waist with a bit of a stomach, big boobs, reasonably slim hips, and slim in the legs. So while I often wear smaller sizes for jeans, skirts etc. in shirts I usually have to buy a size 14 or a large cause the smaller sizes won’t do up around the bust. Particular style dresses are very hard for me to buy cause they won’t fit around the bust and/or make me look like a porn star so i tend to buy more stretchy type dresses. In bikinis I can never buy them as a set, always gotta mix and match with different styles! I envy my friends that are more in proportion for their ability to fit clothes so easily *sigh*

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  28. haz1902

    I often take two because of one simple reason. You can’t depend on the sizing on the label. I am not a big fella, but I tried on a M sized shirt, the size that usually fits me, and I couldn’t even get my arm into the second sleeve it was that small. An L size was still too tight. There were no XL sizes to try, but if a small guy has to put on an XL imagine how hard it is for footie player
    size blokes to get a fit.

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  29. Claudia

    Perhaps it’s the stores I shop in but I think 90% of my clothes are the same size, with just a couple of exceptions.

    The thing that confuses me is jean conversions between stores and countries, depending on where you’re buying them…S, M, L, 8, 10, 12, 32, 34, 36 or even 55, 56, 57 like I saw the other day – I can never tell what size I am so have to take around four or five pairs in with me!

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  30. lt

    Look, just because “vanity sizing” exists doesn’t mean we all have to start getting depressed about it.
    Geez, I’ve got clothes ranging in sizes from 10 to 18 and I don’t give a flying f…k what the tag says because I know my size/body hasn’t changed.

    Are we really all so darn insecure about ourselves that a tag on a shirt or pair of jeans makes our self esteem start going down the toilet?

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    • Elky

      Sadly, too many of us are!

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    • Sophie

      I agree with you, I have a fashion label and wish we didn’t have to use actual label sizes – our bodies are all so different, you can be a 12 hip, 10 tummy, 14 bust and 12 shoulder………its about working on the style that will suit the shape and then of course its personal preference, some people prefer to dress fitted or more relaxed – it just depends on the individual – which is what dressing and sizing is all about!

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    • Jem

      I think it’s more that it’s really inconvenient to have to try on several different sizes before you get one that fits, rather than just being able to go into a shop, find your size and know that it will fit!

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      • lt

        I know what you mean jem, but I’m still really bewildered why so many people get caught up with what a label says rather than how something fits and feels

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        • Kris2040

          I HATE shopping, especially for clothes anyway, but the size thing really pisses me off. I don’t have a problem with the size I am, but because I’m a 14/16 normally, that is the top of the size range for “normal” clothes, and I’m somehow expected to fit into plus size range stuff, when I’m not that big. I’m tall with big boobs and hips. I’m not as wide or chunky as the plus size ranges are designed for. Places like Target I can usually get into a 16 in the normal range, but I still have to try everything on and that’s frigging painful. If I could trust that if I ordered a 16 or something according to sizing charts on the net and it would fit, I’d never be in a clothes shop again!
          Luckily I don’t really care about fashion, so it isn’t something I come up against often.

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    • Cleo

      Be thankful you range between a 10 & 18. Small women can’t get anything to fit that’s not made for teenagers. I have a very good tailor who alters all my clothes, but that makes everything more expensive.

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  31. sweatlikeapig

    For most of my adult life I had convinced myself I was a size 12. I am pretty thin with a low body fat percentage yet have some decent curves on me. I kept buying size 12 until I started noticing what other people were wearing. Apologies if this sounds horrible, but when women who were notably larger than me were asking for size 8s and 10s in certain stories I thought maybe I had been assuming wrong!

    Sure enough I’m now wearing a size 8-10. I don’t know whether that’s what I’ve been all along, or whether the sizes have just changed to flatter people. Lululemon is American sizing – I’m a size 6 (Aus size 10) there and that seems to fit me exactly how I would expect a size 10 to fit me. I much prefer going by small, medium and large, although I often think if I’m buying a small, what are super skinny women buying!?

    There is a lot of unnecessary flattery from sales staff going on as well. Whenever I grab something off the rack, they will always tell me I’m a size 6-8. Definitely not!

    As an aside, the BMI measurement is a horribly outdated system that needs to stop being used. Because I have a lot of muscle (and therefore weigh more), I’m classified as overweight.

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    • Kris2040

      My old Sergeant in the army had a digger whose case went to Canberra because they religiously apply the BMI, and he was a bodybuilder, so had bugger all fat and enormous muscle mass. He literally ended up having to explain himself to the medical board people in Canberra.
      I was a tiny bit over 30 for my BMI and had to get clearance and stuff to do PT because I failed the pushup/arm hang component of our fitness test. Not because of my size, because I suck at pushups and any static weight bearing stuff because I have super floppy joints and they collapse if it’s any kind of extended period. Can’t even do yoga properly because of it!
      Every doctor and dietician I’ve seen says not to pay too much attention to the BMI, it’s based on olden days people and heights, and doesn’t take gender or build (ie boobs, hips, muscularity) into account.

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  32. Kitty

    This is so depressing! I buy M at Witchery.

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  33. peppy

    I used to have this problem when buying swimmers. If bikini shopping wasn’t already something I dreaded immensely, there was so much variation in sizes between brands. While a Roxy bikini bottom in one size would easily fit me, a Billabong bottom in the same size made it look like I was delusional or in denial and should have been buying a size bigger.

    The theories are correct however, as I did buy the Roxy bottom, knowing that I was snuggly fitting into a smaller size, and did not need that preposterous bigger size in the Billabong swimsuit.

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  34. mayberry

    I’m one of those weird in-between people – somewhere between an 8 and 10, but I prefer 10 cos I don’t like tight uncomfortable clothes. Hence why I’ve never brought skinny jeans – I really can’t do the time/pain investment it takes to stretch the bastards till they fit properly!

    what shits me is if sales assistants come to give me a hand, they’ll shove size 8s (and even 6s) at me, all whilst i’m saying, get me a 10, get me a 10. oh no, but you’re tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiny, you’ll fit into this! which i don’t. and then feel frumpy and cranky. or get guilted into getting it, and then never wear it (again, because i can’t be bothered with the pain/time it takes to get things to fit properly)

    which is probably why i go clothes shopping in kmart or online, and rely on my mum and nan to get me nice things for birthdays and christmas. though they both have MUCH better taste than me, and the stuff i always get the most compliments on is always from them :)

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  35. Sarah

    Yes Yes Yes! I was shopping in Forever New the other day and happily discovered I was a size 8 instead of my ususal 10. But then I noticed they have started stocking size 4 (6 used to be the smaller) and got mighty suspicious!

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  36. Barb Fisher

    A size 00……are they serious!? So it’s no longer fashionable to have a pre-pubescent boy-like figure, we’re now striving to look like infants! It’s completely laughable.

    I was a size 8 at Country Road until I recently had to buy a pair of size 6 jeans, as the 8′s were too big. There is no way in HELL I am a size 6! Or probably even an 8 for that matter. It’s getting beyond ridiculous. I’m not sure who they think they’re fooling, we’re all switched on to the caper. It’s just getting harder and harder to know which size you need to take into the change room.

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    • Shannon

      I don’t know too many/any pre-pubescent boys who have a waist-hip ratio of 0.68 as would be the case with the size 00 measurements above. So I don’t think too many fashion retailers are catering to women who look like prepubescent boys, I think they are just trying to make clothes to fit petite women =)

      Also, it’s not so much that the measurements are new, just the label. Because if that used to be a size 0, but a size 0 label is now being placed on a larger garment, then you need a new size indicator for the smaller one. (Unless your comment was just pointing out how offensive it is to have women’s sizes labelled similarly to infants’ sizes, in which case I agree. I don’t like being a size 0, or likened to a pre-pubescent boy.)

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      • Barb Fisher

        I was just being a smart a*se Shannon – and everything you have said is absolutely correct. I’m just wondering where it’s all going to stop!

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        • Shannon

          Hopefully when they figure out how ridiculous it is and just start sizing things by measurements.

          Somehow don’t see it happening any time soon, though =( But we can dream, can’t we?

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  37. tall, curvy & frustrated

    levis have had a head start on the rest for a long time but not in australia. in the us you can buy by height and width, so if you are short and wider (or thin) you can find a pair that actually fit you, where as i am tall and curvy, i can find jeans that actually meet my ankles. 00 – WTF? my son wore a 00 just after he was born! subzero – is that like 2 negatives make a positive? she’s shrinking????

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  38. sailorgal

    I get much more satisfaction buying shoes – where I am a standard European 39 – than trousers where I have size 14 thighs (according to Seed Femme) and size 12 waist (Country Road) or usually a size 10 skirt or dress.

    Dresses generally fit better so that is what I wear – size 10 dress with my size 39 boots. Sometimes I don’t even try on the dresses – I just pay for them.

    Retailers – I don’t have the time to try on all the clothing sizes – I work and have 3 kids. It makes my angry and dissatisfied with the shopping experience. Therefore I shop less – go figure!

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  39. carolinehutchison

    When I was living in the uk about ten years ago I was part of a massive project to scan the average body shape to standardize the sizes. Had to get down to underwear, stand behind a screen and they took a full body image. They were aiming to get thousands of people involved in order to overhaul the system. great idea, but if Lana is having problems with her top shop purchases, doesn’t seem it made any difference.

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  40. carolinehutchison

    When I was living in the uk about ten years ago I was part of a massive project to scan the average body shape to standardize the sizes. Had to get down to underwear, stand behind a screen and they took a full body image. They were aiming to get thousands of people involved in order to overhaul the system. great idea, but if Lana is having problems with her to shop purchases, doesn’t seem it made any difference.

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  41. MissT

    I think Witchery make everything as “one size fits all”. I buy their stuff on sale and I buy whatever size is available – small, medium, large, whatever! It all fits. And I’m 5’9 & 59kg!

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  42. Naz

    Slightly off topic but using the BMI scale is no good! It’s not accurate at all!

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  43. crystalanne83

    Hey Nicky, there is actually a standard available. Only problem is it’s from the 60s and body SHAPES have changed considorably since then, especially the ratio. bust/waist/hips and length. There is no way that we can accomodate ALL shapes – however, I think we can get a better average!

    Time to have a new sizing survey me thinks!

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  44. Tripitaka

    I wish shops would stock a larger range of sizes. Right now it’s usually 8 – 14 or 16, it would be so much better if they could stock say 4 – 20 or even more. I’m suprised they don’t do this already, I’m sure it would be good for business, it would increase the potential clientale immediately. And make shopping more fun.

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  45. Bridie

    I had always thought Country Road sizing was like US sizing, and didn’t follow the Aussie standard. No?

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  46. I really prefer shopping at places like witchery or country road, so I always feel like a size 12!

    I don’t consider myself to be overweight (though I could lay off the chocolate), and I feel terrible about myself when I go to shops like Dotti or even the cheaper brands like Miss Shop in Myer..

    Mind you, I haven’t bought clothes from a shop for awhile, tending to buy online these days, so I have no idea if country road 12 and witchery 12 would be too big!

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  47. noodle

    You’d think retailers would’ve twigged on to the fact that vanity sizing puts people off shopping

    If I have to try on a bunch of sizes, I usually get irritated and leave.

    Even old faithful brands are totally inconsistent within their own label
    Its insane that you can buy virtually the same item (i.e fitted t-shirt) from the same brand, in the same fabric, in a comparable style, and be a completely different size!

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  48. Faith

    I found sizing horrbile with Victoria’s Secret lingerie and swim wear – you really need to know your measurements because they work to such an irritating agenda!

    And as another MM commenter sagely pointed out earlier, always know your measurements, whether in centermeters or inches and check their sizing charts if buying online or overseas… makes life just a little easier!

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  49. Anonymous

    Even if there was standard sizing I think I’d still have to try on different sizes for different types of clothes. I have thighs but no waist, hips or bum so if it’s pants or a fitted skirt I’m a 14 (Sometimes that’s too small) but if it’s a waisted skirt or something a-line I can be a 10.
    On tope I have broad shoulders and big arms and a tummy but small waist so if it’s baggy anything over a 10 or medium is a sack but if its tight on my tummy I need a 14……so over it!!!!

    I hate not being in proportion:( :(

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    • Hannah

      I was watching a documentry the other night about shopping and how it has generalised body shape. Anonymous you are not out of proportion you are perfectly you – it’s the clothes that don’t fit you that have got it wrong!

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  50. mm

    This drives me nuts! Bring on standardised sizes! Sportsgirl also make really large sizes, XXS seems more like a large 10!

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