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Zoe

by ZOE FOSTER

Q: I’m 42 with wrinkles and pigmentation. A beauty therapist friend of mine said I shouldn’t be using a cleanser, serum and night cream with AHAs as it’s too strong but I am seeing results and don’t want to stop! – Jenny

It’s terrible when advice conflicts. I know this because pretty much every skin therapist, dermatologist and skin care creator I meet has conflicting ideas on what to use, when to use it, how to use it, and whether you should wait until the third use to kiss, or later.

But I think they would all agree on the fact that you are DEFINITELY going too hard on your skin with that triple sandwich.

URGENT IN-COPY GLOSSARY INTERRUPTION:

AHA stands for Alpha-Hydroxy Acids, a group that include glycolic acid, (from sugar cane) lactic acid (milk… Cleopatra knew what she was doing with those milk baths) and citric acid (uh, citrus). Glycolic is lauded as the “best” and “most effective” because its molecules are smaller and so it penetrates the skin quicker and easier, but lactic acid is now being said to be best, because it’s gentler and with longer-lasting results. AHAs are moisturising, but are mostly referred to as a ‘chemical exfoliant’ because they gently dissolve the glue that holds dead skin cells on the surface of the skin, without the need for physical exfoliation. (ie: scrubbing.)

AHAs are terrifically effective on oily or congested skin, acne, wrinkles, general skin texture and tone (pigmentation) – in fact, I’d say AHAs are probably the most useful and results-y skin care ingredient around, so long as you don’t have sensitive skin. Except for Retin-A, which is the King of anti-ageing, and which I will post on another time.

For those interested, I use a glycolic-acid based toner three times a week. For those not interested, don’t read that last sentence.

The thing about AHAs, though, Jenny, is that they’re strong. (They cause irritation for a lot of people when they start  – when you began, you were probably advised to start every second day for a few weeks, then building up to daily, yeah?) This is why you’re seeing results, and why you’re a fan, but you are very likely over-stimulating your skin. You might be duplicating ingredients unnecessarily, or forcing some together which are not compatible, or just loading your skin with far too much. Using a glycolic acid cleanser, then a glycolic serum, then a lactic acid moisturiser means you are effectively performing a chemical peel each night.

I recommend you avoid layering your AHAs, Jenny. Use one good AHA product every night – be that your toner, cleanser, serum or moisturiser – and keep it simple for the rest. Also, keep up with weekly masks, and definitely use broad spectrum, high SPF sun protection, every day, all day, if you are using AHAs. Very, very important.

Jenny, I know your skin looks good now, but if you keep up this intense routine, your skin has a strong chance of becoming red, sensitised, (which can even lead to rosacea), and irritated. Long-term, our skin benefits much more from protection than erosion. We all have a finite amount of skin layers, and stripping them off too aggressively for a long period WILL change the texture and condition of your skin, and not in a positive fashion. Everything in moderation, as Katie Price once famously said.

For people who aren’t Jenny, and don’t have a stack of AHA prodz at the ready, some great options are MD Formulations Moisture Defence Antioxidant Lotion, Priori Advanced AHAs Gentle Facial Cleanser, Alpha-H Liquid Gold, Beauty without Cruelty AHA Renewal Moisture Lotion, and Olay Regenerist Night Recovery Elixir (which is available in August and getting wild press in other parts of the world already, so keep one eagle eye on close watch for it).

Amazing face 177x2361 WARNING: Be careful with this beauty product.Zoe is an author, columnist and porridge fan. Her books include the beauty bible Amazing Face, dating and relationship guide Textbook Romance, and three novels, Air KissesPlaying The Field and The Younger Man. Find more info on her here, or supervise on her daily procrastination here and here.

Please understand that Zoë cannot respond to ALL your questions – but never fear, there are readers that are bound to know the answers, so don’t be afraid to ask.

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  1. Foppish Dandee

    Sound advice Zoe…one question…are you a fan of the British 1970′s sitcom starring Ronnie Barker or the breakfast food made from oats ?

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  2. RRC

    I love AHA’s. I use Peter Thomas Roth’s Glycolic Acid 10% or Priori Advanced AHA Skin Renewal Cream. I disagree with the cleanser point, its doesn’t really matter if it has AHA’s because it on your skin for so little time and you are washing it down the drain. So it’s actually a waste of money have AHA’s in a cleanser. I do love teaming retinol with AHA, I get the best results. I am normally able to pick up these brands at really good prices from the beauty club, and they list ingredients too which is a plus.

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  3. Guest

    Has anyone used the Australian-brand O Cosmedics and if so would you recommend them? (only available through beautician etc)

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  4. Jos

    Hi everyone!
    Just wondering if anyone here knows of the clinque 3 step soap/cleanse/moisturize products they sell?

    I don’t know much about any of the ‘ingredients’ in skin care.. And it makes me face feel great after moisturizing.. But the cleanser has a slight alcoholic (& when applying cold) feel to it and wondering if it doing more harm then good?! My skin feels and looks awesome.. But wondering if there is anyone out there that knows about what’s actually in it?!

    Thanks :)

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    • Bec

      Hi Jos,

      Paula Begoun (the ‘Cosmetics Cop’) has a heap of product reviews on her website that are based on scientific evidence. She covers Clinique as well as a number of other brands.

      http://www.cosmeticscop.com/free_brand_reviews.aspx?bid=89&brand=Clinique

      She actually makes her own skincare range, called Paula’s Choice, that is available in Australia. I’ve been using the AHA exfoliating gel every day and it seems to be doing a good job – but beware some of the anti-ageing products. They all contain AHA and like Zoe said, there is such a thing as too much AHA!

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  5. elle

    So AHA’s not the best idea for those with super sensitive reddish skin?? What can I use on my super-sensitive-reacts-to-everything-quite-dehydrated-but-still-get-occasional-breakouts skin that will even it out and reduce redness, help with blackheads on my nose and brighten it so I am all dewy and fresh?

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    • Ali

      Elle, try rosehip oil every few nights (great for repair and only about $15, I use kosmea brand).
      For aha products try a product by ultraceuticals, called even skin tone serum, they also do a vitamin c serum which is good too.
      As a bonus the products are Aussie made and animal cruelty free.
      That us what works for me.

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      • Lucy

        Elle there’s a sensitive version of the Ultraceuticals Even Skin Tone Serum which you could try – you can literally start off using once a week, or once every 3 or 4 days, and gradually increase or keep at a level that your skin feels comfortable with. My skin doesn’t tolerate daily AHA use – I’m on second daily only.

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  6. loves2bake

    I’m about to switch back to ASAP products after a break for a couple of years (my original beautician switched to another range and then I tried dermalogica, but I’ve really missed how they made my skin feel). So glad I saw your post today though because I made sure I got a non AHA cleanser, AHA Daily exfoliator (which did wonders for my skin when I used it) and the SPF30 moisturiser (just placed my order). Just wondering whether if I should continue to use the exfoliator and glycolic/salycic acid spot treatment in the morning as I always have, or switch these to night time? I’d prefer morning for the exfoliator at least because it’s so much easier in the shower. I am also using rose hip oil at night now too. Arghhhh! working out all this stuff is doing my head in :)

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  7. dulcie

    A few years ago I tried Proactiv (either that or Victoria Principal’s line..clearly up too late watching shiteous TV) and found that it AAAAAAAGED me. Seriously, I not only bleached my towels (annoying) but I suddenly had fine lines all over the place. Dropped that shit like a hot cake. Still searching for the holy grail….still have awful skin ( I use Paula’s Choice now but am very hormonal after 3 babies in 2 years and breastfeeding blah blah so it’s hard to commit to something new when I’m oily / spotty / dry / wrinkly…. Actually, does anyone have a face tan recommendation that doesn’t cause breakouts? I’ve tried some fairly expensive options just to find that they look muddy. Dove’s is the best for colour (just the gradual body tanner) but it breaks. me. out. Honestly, this skin thing is horrid. I spend sooooo much time (and money) trying to cover it all with cosmetics (to illustrate, I have 7 primers…none of them do what they proport but, I bought them anyway…and I wear them anyway). Oh, and I have scarring from adolescent days too. Joy.

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    • Eme

      I would go to a dermatologist first off and have a total check up. While you re at it get him to check for sun damage or skin cancers as well. Many of us plaster ourselves with layers of magic creams and all we are doing is making money for others. Hormonal, lots of babies in quick succession so I guess you re dog tired as well. Many do not drink enough as well. Not good for the skin. After the dermatologist or skin specialist I would then go to a beauty therapist and keep your beauty routine simple. I went that way and my skin is so much better for it.

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      • dulcie

        Thanks Eme – great advice. To the doc I go. Cheers.

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    • Angelina Ballerina

      Retin A once your baby is weaned. This is what I’ll be doing. Retin A is the holy grail for pimples and wrinkles.

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      • dulcie

        I’m thinking of weaning REALLY soon…..thanks AB!

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      • Louisec

        How do you buy it? is it just a cream over the counter???

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  8. Zoomey

    Sometimes I just want to run in a field make-up free, sucking in pure air, sipping fresh water, grazing on organic food, doing nothing to my skin and not owning a single mirror. But, for the moment, I use a tonne of AHA products which I’m thinking of chucking out my window now. With use over the past three months, I have never felt so much skin roll off my face in the shower (good/bad? I’m still not sure), so stopping is a little scary. I’m a bit worried my skin won’t remember how to exfoliate itself enough naturally so that I don’t get pimples. But, I think my skin might be a little more dry and red than it actually needs to be, so while it’s exfoliate to the max, it might not actually look better than it would sans these prodz.

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    • elle

      Lol Zoomey that’s my fantasy too!

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  9. Renae

    I’ve just started using a product with AHA (lactic acid) – Ultraceuticals Even Skintone Serum. I must say, it’s amazing. I’m using it along with Ultraceuticals Gentle cleanser, Ultra Clear Treatment Lotion (O.M.G. BEST THING EVER FOR ACNE) and the Protective Daily Moisturiser SPF 30+. I’m also combining it with Jane Iredale makeup – daily wearing the Absence oil control primer, PurePressed base, Active Light Under eye concealer and D20 hydration spray.
    I have to say, my skin looks fantastic. It’s never looked this good in living memory. I still have some iffy areas, but I think I’m going to need microdermabrasion for those areas. But I love the fact that even when I don’t wear makeup, my skin looks really good.

    Only problem is… its all very $$$. You have to be reeeeeally committed to having really nice skin to go with that kind of thing!

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    • dulcie

      Congrats Renee!!!! What were the problem areas for your skin before you started this program? I would pay anything for decent skin…

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      • Renae

        Hi Dulcie.
        Basically, even though I’m 25, my skin still looked like a 13 year old. (which did have a plus size… people were always thinking I must be 17 or 18…)
        Oily. Bad acne. Congestion. Blackheads. SHINY.
        I’m not saying all the acne has gone away… I still get the hormonal acne around my jaw line and neck (like, my iPeriod app told me today it’s 7 days until my period arrives… I already knew because 5 giant cysty pimples just showed up, 4 on my neck, one on my jaw!), but the congestion pimples, and the blackheads and most of the oil is gone.
        You can still tell when I dont wear the Absence primer, because I get a bit shiny on the t-zone.
        But it still looks way way better than it ever has before, and it looks HEALTHY. I’ve tried a lot of other products for acne and oily skin, but they always left me very dry and didn’t do much. Ultraceuticals and Jane Iredale are premium products, but they work really well.
        I suggest you find a salon that uses Ultraceuticals (the Ultraceuticals website can tell you where http://www.ultraceuticals.com.au) and have a consult with them. My salon gave me samples to try, and I got really great results within a week, so I slowly replaced my cheaper products with Ultraceuticals :D

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        • dulcie

          Wow – thanks Renee, I’ll look them up now. How much coin are we talking? Ballpark… Thanks so much for your response

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          • Renae

            The Even Skintone Serum costs $100 for the 30ml… but you only use about 2-3 drops at a time. (I’ve got a sample size I’ve had for a month, using it every second day for the first week, and then about 3 times a week for the rest of it… hehe.)
            Like I said, they’re $$. But they’re AWESOME.

            And you know what I actually love best (other than the fact they work) is that they’re 100% Australian made and owned, and they don’t test on animals. Ethical gold :D

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            • Lucy

              Dulcie – just jumping in here – you can have a look at their product range and prices on their website – http://www.ultraceuticals.com.au – but I would strongly advise you go to an Ultraceuticals salon to get product recommendations and not just pick and choose from the website – their products are hardcore (which is why they work!) but without the proper education on how and what to use, you could freak your skin out!

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  10. Sarah

    Hi
    I used some of Arbones products and didnt like them. some where good but I know one of them left me stinging afterwards.

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  11. samantha malcolm

    i use pure safe and beneficial skin care Arbonne RE9
    and that is a cleanser toner serum eye cream moisturiser is that too much any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated

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    • Jude

      My friend swears by Arbonne but I found it really irritated my skin. Stung after i put it on. Did love the eye cream though. Just a bit pricey for me.

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  12. katie

    Can’t wait for your post on Retin-A Zoe, I’ve tried it several times and but my skin just reacts so badly, even when I put tiny amounts on.
    If there is a way to use it kindly on my skin, I’d love to know as every thing I’ve read says that, like you said, it’s the king of anti-aging.

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    • Angelina Ballerina

      I’ve been doing a bit of research on Retin A lately. This is what I’ve found out:
      Retin A Micro is the newest version. It’s released more gradually and causes less irritation.
      Start on the lowest strength.
      Only use a pea size for the entire face.
      Wait 20 mins after cleansing face to apply.
      Start out gradually applying about twice/week and work up.
      You can still use other products. The correct order is: cleanse, AHA/BHA, retin A, serum, moisturiser.

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      • Louisec

        Hey, is it sold as that name Retin A? and do you need a prescription?

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  13. ashamasha

    I’ve said it before on a Zoe post – keep an eye out on the salicylic acid products too – they’re in most acne product lines now, but also in a few scrubby/resurfacing prodz (dermalogica microfoliant I’m looking at YOU grrrr)

    I turned sensitive overnight to the salicylic, and have had generally v. sensitive and dry skin ever since (first reaction was about 5yrs ago)…if I miss seeing it in the ingredient list, I’ll have a reactive rash and puffiness if the product is particularly strong, and then have cystic breakouts for mths afterwards :(

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  14. Guest

    Ha ha, did Katie Price really say ‘everything in moderation’? Oh dear.

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  15. Laxmi

    I have discovered Caudalie, a French skincare product line free of all the toxins and preservatives ….since I have been using the La Premier Cru serum/moisturizer, the eye cream, the gentle cleanser, the exfoliator and mask I have been very pleased with the results..clear, soft, plumb, radiant skin and firmer texture..no break outs and no irritated skin as I did with the inexpensive commercial drug store products. This skincare can be found at Sephora or in some European owned pharmacies. Also another favorite is a holistic organic brand formulated by a Dr Haushka of Germany..again free of the toxic parabens, all cruelty free and so good for your skin.. Both brands are pricey but your health is well worth it..and a “little bit of the product goes a long way”. U get reliable results w/the anti-aging serums.

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  16. leahzilla

    I am currently using a Japanese product called Hada Labo Tamagohada AHA/BHA face wash. It definitely lives up to it’s claim of polishing and refining the skin for clearer and smoother skin, at least for me that is.

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  17. spunkx

    Hi Zoe,
    I see you mentioned here that AHA’s aren’t appropriate for sensitive skin. Is there any product you can recommend me that might achieve similar results? My skin is mildly – medium sensitive and while I’d love to achieve better skin texture etc, I’m thinking this would make me break out. Help? xx

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    • Sarah

      What is your skin sensititve to?

      I only ask because I used to think my skin was sensitive – and it certainly was to any anti-pimple product I used in my teen years and certain moisuturisers etc – and yet I can handle AHAs no worries.

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      • spunkx

        Well, it’s a good question I guess. Your comment about anti-pimple products used during the teens (Clearasil?) definitely brought back memories of my first realisation that I can’t just whack any old thing on my skin… I guess I’ve just not paid good enough attention to what’s been setting the reactions off, I know it’s mainly cleansers & exfoliants that are the most common culprits. I stick to Cetaphil cleasner and a exfoliator by Simple now. I’ve had trouble with some sunscreens too!
        Hmmmmm, I just don’t know whether AHAs would be a risk or not…

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        • Sarah

          Hard to know til you try I guess.

          Like you, I realised during my teens that strong products didnt work well on my skin. I switched to jurlique for a bit and then to cetaphil cleanser and a QV moisturiser/sunscreen.

          I tend to rave about them a bit but the Skinstitut products are fab. They have both a glyocolic cleanser (12% I think) and a scrub (14%) – the milder one could be a place to start? And they’re not too exxy if it doesnt work out.

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          • spunkx

            Oooh, thanks for the tip. I’m off to look up more about this brand now.
            Thanks again Sarah!

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            • Lucy

              Hi spunkx – I’ve got super sensitive skin, and I can use AHA’s with no problem. You basically just ascertain how much and how often your skin can handle – which can differ for everyone. I think you’d be fine with the Skinstitut cleanser or exfoliant for example – as for one, it’s not staying on your skin all that long, and two, you can just use a couple of times a week (even though I think they say the cleanser can be used daily – I know my skin wouldn’t tolerate daily use).

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  18. Anonymous

    me and AHAs: had to stop using them because after about 5 months of continued use, i’d get my eyebrows waxed and huge chunks of my skin would come off with the wax.

    now i just moisturise and stay out of the sun. a vitamin e mask once a week also works great for me, really plumps out my skin for a few days.

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    • MJ

      Oh my GOD! That’s extreme! You must have alarmed your eyebrow lady.

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  19. Alex

    I was using a 12% AHA cream which produced stunning results but after a quite short time, I noticed I was getting wrinkles. I eased back and now rely on Vit C to do the whitening and brightening I was getting from AHAs and just use that Palmers’ AHA BHA body lotion on my face which takes care of the exfoliation (and has the added advantage of being also cheap as chips).

    AHAs in moderation.

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  20. Sarah

    I use a glycolic scrub in the morning then just suncreen and a mild cleanser with a retinol/vitamin C combo in the evening and its perfect.

    But on the odd occasion when I have mistakenly used the glycolic scrub and retinol in the same session, gee do i know it. My skin rebels against the strong combination.

    So I think Zoe’s comments are pretty sound.

    Looking forward to the article on Retin-A.

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  21. Lauren Hesp

    I’m 18 and have dry to dry combination skin. Would an AHA cleanser every morning be ok for my skin?

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    • Trinket

      AHAs are best used at night time because they can sensitize your skin to sunlight (cue: Zoe’s comment on using high-protection sunscreen all day, every day).

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  22. Woo

    Hi Zo,
    I have started using ASAP cleanser and have found it really good, my skin gets congested very easily and had been breaking out so much until now. I use cetafil moisturizer of a night and olay moisturizer of a morning. I’m only 24 is this ok?

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  23. MelB

    I ended up with tiny blisters & redness all over my face for 3 weeks after using retinol based products (day moisuriser / weekly facial treatment and serum) after 1/2 hour in the sun wandering around the garden section at Bunnings, I had used them in the past but all of a sudden I turned into a beetroot head one day!. I’m really nervous now about using any vitamin A based product on my face.

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    • Helen

      Mel B, retinol makes your skin much more sensitive to the sun. ALWAYS use a SPF 30 if you use any product with retinol, even if you’re only using it at night time. I can’t understand why retinol would be in any day moisturiser – keep them for night-time.

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    • Shan

      Use them at night not during the day

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  24. anon

    Zoe, you keep looking more and more beautiful. Love your current hair do, as much as I loved it when you went for the chop! Ooh, you sexy thing, haha :)

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  25. Anonymous

    I made this mistake when I first started using AHA’s. I had great results with a serum, so without thinking I went out and bought a cleanser, toner and two moisturisers to match. My skin went nuts and it took me months to get it under control again.

    http://labeauteetleblogueur.blogspot.com.au/

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    • Shannon

      When you are changing your skin care routine I alway recommend to my clients that the introduce one product at a time. If you overload with change your skin will appear happy but all of a sudden it will fall apart. As a beauty therapist I always say it starts within. Drink loads of water, dehydrated skin will look old and cause breakouts. The body cannot make water (hydration) therefore it will over compensates and produces oil, excess oil on dehydrated skin equals nasty, mostly blind sore pimples.

      If you are using any Aha products you must use a sunscreen or you will more than likely get pigmentation spots on your face, which are very ageing.

      So, we must eat healthy (clean) keep hydrated and then you will see what your skin really needs externally. I myself love Priori aha moisturiser and I have very reactive skin, it makes my skin dewy without being oily or heavy.

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