BY MIA FREEDMAN Don’t be a woman and make a mistake. Don’t be a woman and say something that offends people. Because the abuse that will rain down on your head will be savage and relentless and will make you fear for your physical safety and the safety of your family.
I’ve seen this happen to so many women and Yumi Stynes is the latest one to experience it with revelations today the torrent of abuse and threats has become so extreme the police have been brought in. I’ve watched this firestorm rage around Yumi for almost a week with my hands over my eyes and a sick feeling in my stomach.
But enough. It’s time to speak out and say something about the way women in public life are attacked so viciously.
I’m not for a moment defending what Yumi said. And neither is she. Nor is The Circle – the Channel 10 program on which she is a co-host.
Host of Channel 10′s The Circle Yumi Stynes has apologised after joining in a conversation on the show calling Victorian Cross medal winner and Australian war hero Ben Roberts-Smith a ‘dud root’. She asked whether that was what George Negus meant when he picked up on Roberts-Smith’s beefy shirtless photo. “I’m sure he’s a really good guy, nothing about poor old Ben,” Negus said yesterday on The Circle where he was guest co-hosting at the time of the comment. “But that sort of bloke, and what if they’re not up to it in the sack?” Yumi added: “He’s going to dive down to the bottom of the pool to see if his brain is there.”
According to news reports today:
Stynes has since become the target of an online hate campaign, including physical threats against her and her children, and racial vilification. This website has chosen not to repeat details of the threats.
Some of the 'nicer' comments on the Circle Facebook page
When asked about online abuse being levelled at Stynes, a Network Ten spokesman said he was aware of the comments, which had been made on Facebook, Twitter and alterations to Stynes’s Wikipedia page.
“We are concerned about the extreme nature of some of those comments and are monitoring them very closely,” the spokesman said.
“We are removing the most offensive comments from The Circle sites …
“We will keep on monitoring the situation very closely, in terms of the online comments and Yumi’s personal situation.”
She said something stupid. Haven’t we all. She tried to make a joke that backfired and was indeed offensive. And doing it on national television, the consequences were amplified.
However.
How much does she need to be punished? And to what degree?
Yumi’s public and private apologies – and the public acceptance of them by Corporal Roberts-Smith should have been the end of it but the rage continues and gets uglier by the day. The attacks have been misogynist, racist and deeply, deeply personal. There have been threats made against Yumi, The Circle staff and her children.
How is this acceptable? From everything I have seen and read about Ben Roberts-Smith, the idea that this abuse is happening in his name or in his defence would be repugnant to him.
He has been completely gracious in his statements and by accepting the apology of Yumi and her co-host George Negus. So why are so many people so insistent on using this mistake as a justification for the most appalling and disgusting behaviour?
And to my knowledge, George Negus has not copped anywhere near the extreme or vicious nature of the abuse hurled at Yumi.
When Kyle Sandilands said revolting things about a female journalist on his radio program, nobody went after his family. The reaction was severe but not personal. The petitions that circulated and the campaigns against him served to hit Kyle in his business life, not his personal one.
When Sam Newman says the most repugnant, misogynistic things about women on The Footy Show, does he receive death threats? Are his children threatened? Is he subjected to sickening abuse?
I don’t know Yumi but I do know what it’s like to be subject to a sustained attack of personal abuse. It happened to me after I suggested last year on the Today Show that sports people aren’t heroes and that the word held a different meaning. TO ME.
The names I was called, the abuse and threats hurled at me and my children, my husband, my parents, my religion, my appearance … it went on for weeks and was enormously distressing. I feared for my physical safety.
People – men mostly – joined Twitter purely to call me a “dumb fat whore” or “fucking stupid jew cunt”. Often these tweets or Facebook comments were accompanied by a cheery avatar of a man with a child or baby in his arms. These men were fathers and husbands and sons and brothers.
My team at Mamamia shielded me from the worst of the abuse which came in by email and was menacing, threatening and extraordinary. These people didn’t know me. And I’d merely expressed an opinion.
Too many times, I’ve seen it happen to women across the political spectrum – from Melinda Tankard Reist to Helen Razer and Clem Bastow. Abuse about their weight, their sexuality, their relationships, their families. Like I did for a while, they have retreated from public life or from social media before venturing back on in some reduced capacity. Very often, the bullies win. Which is so very sad.
And you don’t have to offend anyone or make any mistakes, like Yumi did, to receive this kind of abuse. I have friends in the public eye whose only ‘crime’ is to appear on TV doing their jobs in the most innocuous way. They too receive incredibly detailed, personal and brutal abuse via email and publicly online.
Every week.
Enough is enough. Yumi made a mistake. She continues to pay a terrible and very public price. What do her attackers want? Has she not been punished enough? I believe she has. She cannot be any more sorry. She cannot take her words back anymore. It’s time to move on.
Please remember that the people you see on TV, the people whose words you read in the newspaper or hear on the radio, these are real people. By all means disagree with their words and debate their actions but resorting to sickening, sustained abuse is the lowest, most base and appalling form of engagement.
Be better than that.



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1,022 Comments so far
I agree. I am so over the public vilification that happens after these events. This is the one down side of the internet, unfortunately everyone has a voice. This is fantastic for people power when used for good, but the nasty side of the internet never ceases to amaze me.
I was once personally attacked over a sausage roll recipe on a mother and baby website. I decided that the world is full of morons that have no manners.
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A sausage roll recipe???? On a mother & baby website???
Well, that just grinds my gears. Seriously, would these people have said this to your face? Of course not! How rude!
(Can I have the recipe – I love sausage rolls – and if it were on a mother & baby website it’s probably a very healthy recipe
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I love sausage rolls, too!
That is all.
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Ben has accepted their apologies and moved on – so should the rest of Australia…
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No, the rest of Australia has a right to speak as they, as individuals, see fit.
There is no statute of limitations on opinions.
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No, we don’t. Because we also have a responsibility not to engage in intimidating, threatening behaviour just because we disagree with someone.
We live in a civil society. We have rights AND responsibilities.
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Australians have every right to be as upset about the comments made by BOTH hosts as long as they choose. They can also refuse to watch any show either host appears on, or refuse to use any product they or that show endorses….but Australians don’t have a right to threaten their safety or use revolting abusive names. That is not what we as a society should condone in any way, shape or form!
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Agreed. Ben is now being used as an excuse to attack someone and get in on some pack hate.
I was appalled at the initial comments, I hold service people in the highest of esteem. But now? It seems there are many people whose genuine disgust I question. Many people who I feel are just jumping on the bandwagon to get some hate in. Replace ‘solder’ with ‘baby panda’ it doesn’t matter to these people what the issue is. What matters is they have an excuse to hate on someone.
Reasonable people who took issue with it have accepted the apologies (admittedly slightly crap from Yumi and pretty much non existent from George) and followed Ben’s lead. To keep declaring you are upset on Ben’s behalf is just wrong.
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This needed to be said and it’s nice to hear people saying it, such as Mia here and a lot of people on Twitter too.
Look anyone who has ever watched The Circle would know Yumi isn’t the most likeable of TV hosts. And I think it’s fair for that to be said too. She is pretty silly and smug most of the time and to be honest I think this latest stupid remark was pretty in keeping with her style. She has been lucky to evade scrutiny for this long. If the show’s ratings were higher then she probably would not have managed to slip under the radar. This outcry may well cost her a job down the line now the network has realised viewers don’t find her cute, so much as irritating.
But the reaction to this has been way over the top. And that anyone would dram of making threats or targeting her family is completely out of line. She was silly. That may make her a bad TV host but it’s not a crime and to bring racial slurs into it is just appalling
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Great post, Mia. I agree wholeheartedly.
I think Yumi’s comments, and George Negus’ too, were disgraceful and shocking in their rudeness. But Corporal Roberts-Smith has accepted their apologies so as far as I’m concerned, case closed. I moved on from it days ago.
One thing I find especially disturbing about the abuse hurled at Yumi and her family is that these are most likely the same people who hurled abuse at Mia, Helen Razer et al. It’s like they’re just waiting for an opportunity to justify expressing such hate, and it doesn’t take much for them to let fly. A great many of them probably couldn’t care less about Ben Roberts-Smith or sports heroes or whatever.
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Is it going to get to the point where nobody can make a stupid joke. And yes it was stupid but does this mean that some time in the future comedians, doing their job, will be afraid for their and their family’s life if they make a joke about somebody – where will it end? The horrid people who have way too much time on their hands and not a funny bone in the bodies, need to chill. The guy they were talking about was not in the least offended and has probably heard the same type of joke before about him, just like blondes with big breasts have heard every “dumb blonde” joke. Do they go around threatening people? No. Grow up you lot and stop getting offended on someone’s behalf who took absolutely no offence.
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Yes, yes it is.
This would have been an inappropriate comment regardless of whether she was referring to a soldier or a footballer on live national television.
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Yeah, I agree. You hear ridiculous comments every day about how good looking women aren’t very smart, but everyone’s up in arms about this! Is it that he’s a soldier? Hundred bucks says that Roberts-Smith wasn’t as ‘shocked about the comments’ as he was by the fact that so many people gave a rats about it when he clearly didn’t! As if he cares what Yumi Stynes thinks!
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Couldn’t agree more. It’s Stynes everyone’s angry at and she made the brainless comment. But Negus suggested the ‘dud root’ comment. It makes sense to me that the latter, esp considering his disclosure re using IVF, is more offensive. Brain vs braun jokes are very standard so why is he above them? It was obvious she was referring to how HOT he is – that he couldn’t possibly be smart too??! The answer is, yes he is! That should’ve made it all the more funnier. It’s not like she said it after seeing a photo of him in his uniform… he was topless in a pool!
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I agree!!! She was basically saying “hubba hubba”, hot guy!! I find the reaction so over the top!! And sad. Where’s everyone’s sense of humour gone?!
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Don’t try to rewrite history to suit yourself
She implied he was stupid, directly called him bloodthirsty and a dud root
Which part of that means she thinks he is hot?
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I don’t know who these people saying such horrible things think they are defending. Most of them are hiding behind the line “how dare you say something like that about one of our war heros”, when in reality a man like that would be disgusted at behaviour like this. As someone who grew up on a military base I think most soldiers would see this whole thing was something that clearly should never have been said but would get past that after the apologies. Bunch of cowards for attacking her and her family from behind a screen.
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That’s because others have respect for our soldiers and are offended when they are treated badly.
I do not condone the threats that have been made to Yumi and her family, but the general comments calling for her sacking and criticising her for her comments are fair game.
You open your mouth in public, you receive feedback, both good and bad. That’s how it works.
Don’t forget, there’s 22.3 million people in Australia, and most are over the age of 13. Each of those people have their own opinion and are free to express it.
If they are pissed, they have a right to say so. There is no cut-off once there are “enough” comments received.
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The general comments saying she said something offensive weren’t what I was referring too, I agree they are fair game. Having an opinion is one thing, sending death threats is entirely another.
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There is having an opinion – and then there is bullying and hate speech. The treatment of Yumi has now crossed the line into bullying and hate speech. We do not have free speech in this country, we have racial vilification laws, in some states bullying laws – there is a time to say ENOUGH.
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It’s a shame there isn’t a cut off point because I’m bored shitless with the whole fiasco already.
There are more important things to rage against then whether or not a TV presenter made an off colour comment about a soldier. He’s not a god. He’s a soldier. A very brave one, but that doesn’t mean certain quarters of the community are justified in jumping up and down for days on end and ask for someone to be sacked.
Let’s get offended about things that really matter, for crying out loud.
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So bored of the whole fiasco that you are following it on twitter, reading some idiot’s blog and posting comments
Don’t talk shit
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MM, the above comment is NOT dinner party manners.
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I think her comments and subsequent hoo-ha have highlighted what’s pretty obvious, that she is not very good at what she does. It has, unfortunately, given advertisers the perfect excuse to jump ship from a show where ratings are falling as a result of Chrissie Swan’s departure.
I’m also quite surprised that no-one has sought to set the record straight either on IVF, and that the kinds of intelligence that soldiers employ on a daily basis is more physical and intense than most people encounter in a year. being right is always better than being abusive.
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The comments made by George and Yumi were ill-thought and offensive.
The apologies made (whether WE thought they were sincere or not) were accepted.
Threats made to anyone (let alone their children) are NEVER acceptable and the people making them need to accept that they are acting in a manner that is just as bad, if not worse than the original “offenders”.
Get some perspective people (and I say this with the utmost respect)!!
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Thank you. You took the words out of my mouth. I think both George and Yumi are well aware that they made a mistake, and have apologised. I just hope they remember to think before they speak next time.
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I agree, and was thinking about this today as well. I’m actually ashamed to be Australian when things like this happen. Yes, the original comment was out of line, but it’s a week later, apologies have been made and accepted. Why are we not over this yet? Everyone makes mistakes and for all the good that social media does, I hate that it creates shit storms like this.
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Ashamed to be Australian? What does being Australian have to do with it? This happens in other countries too.
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True, and I thought about that as I was typing the comment. But Australia is well known for having certain “values”. Think mateship. A fair go. Tolerance. Equality. Are we really giving Yumi a fair go?
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Yes Jess C – it seems a ‘fair go’ only applies to some people.
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only white people I’m guessing
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There are also plenty of countries where it wouldn’t happen. Not every country reveres soldiers in the way Australia does, to the point where you can’t make a joke about a soldier without having your life threatened.
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I think being Australian has a lot to do with it since that’s why the reaction has been so severe. The joke was directed at someone in the ADF by someone who doesn’t “look Australian” hence the ‘go back to where you came from’ comments from ignorant people who don’t realise that means – for her – Melbourne! My point being that the abuse is nationalistic. Stynes is seen to be ‘unaustralian’: she’s not white and dares joke at the expense of the ADF (that’s seen to ‘protect’ Australia and symbolises nationalism to many people).
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Personally I am no fan of Yumi. I find her crass and highly unprofessional. I think her comments were out of line and incredibly disrespectful to Corporal Ben Roberts Smith.
However I think it is absolutely disgusting the treatment Yumi has received.
Corporal Ben Roberts Smith has accepted Yumi and George apology. People need to build a bridge and get over it
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Well said Mia. She stuffed up. She apologised (although not particularly graciously). Move on people. It is absolutely disgusting that these ‘online warriors’ jump on any chance to anonymously harass, vilify and abuse people – get a life cowards!!!
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I wonder if George Negus has had the same level of abuse leveled at him and his family?
Great post, Mia. While I don’t agree with what Yumi (AND GEORGE) said, they have now apologised, Corporal Roberts-Smith has accepted their apology, and it’s time to move on.
I wonder whether those who like to abuse and bully people online are just frustrated with their own lives, and are using this as an excuse to vent?
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the internet is a hate machine, always was and always will be, except now everyone is in on it, once upon a time it was just star trek actors and writers that copped this kind of abuse
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Anonymous online hating is purely self-hate manifesting as abuse…low-self esteem manifesting as attention seeking…
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really? you’ve caught and dissected the haters? i can’t make any claims as to why it happens myself
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Threatening Yumi and her family is a far far worse thing than the comments she made.
Yes, it was thoughtless and rude but does that mean that she loses her whole career? She has apologised and the apology has been accepted. If the actual people involved can sort it out like adults, why does everyone else have to butt in?
Move on
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Well said, Mia.
The quantity and level of vitriol sent through cyberspace to Yumi, you and other women is astonishing.
I wonder what the reasons are that some people feel such passionate loathing for celebrities and their opinions. And I wonder what on earth makes them think that they have the right to express their bitter ideas. Are they enjoying hurting others, or pretending that their words don’t hurt?
Good on you. Sticking up for women.
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Great post, Mia. Absolutely agree. I like Yumi. It was just a throwaway comment that was said in a moment of jest.
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I agree that some of the comments have been disgraceful. Threatening to harm her or her children is disgusting.
But I hate the excuse that her comment was a “joke.” Firstly, it wasn’t funny. It was plain rude and disrespectful no matter who the remark is about. Secondly, insulting someone isn’t funny. And finally, using the excuse it was a joke is just a cop out. If a guy called a girl a slut because she was wearing shorts but then turned around and said it was a joke because her shorts were short, it suddenly doesn’t make it ok.
I think she should turn it around by volunteering to help out and organise “care” packages for the troops or do something with veterans.
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I actually think if she turned around and volunteered for one of those organisations now she would appear insincere. I also don’t think she is hiding behind the joke card, she said ‘I was trying to make a joke which was not very funny. I think it is different to the example that you have given in that she admitted it wasn’t funny and was offensive, it’s not like she is saying that it shouldn’t have ever been said.
We have all said something stupid in our lives that we have had to apologise for. We have also all made an attempt at humour that has been at someone else’s expense. It just so happens that she is on tv.
Please don’t misconstrue this comment and think that I condone Yumi’s comments because I don’t. I think she said something bloody stupid but she shouldn’t be punished for life for it.
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this wasnt and i qoute “a little mistake that everyone makes” like mia claims oh and if you have any AUSTRALIAN HONOR AT ALL DONT U DARE SAY THE CRITICISM IS SEXEST BECUSE YUMI SAID WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WORSE INSULTS THAN GEORGE NEGUS and yes im angry at that bastard as well!
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If you had any australian honor at all you wouldn’t think it acceptable to abuse other people online. Go away “god godsson” – people like Ben and my father, who fight for this country, don’t fight for people like you.
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On whose behalf are you angry? Because the only person who has the right to be so furious is the person she insulted.
And he has graciously forgiven her – as Mia said – and moved on.
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So suggesting he’s brainless is”WAY WAY WAY” worse than suggesting he’s a dud root?
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Good on you Mia.
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Thankyou Mia for this brave public post. Yes Yumi was absolutely out of line with what she said and too George Negus (however Yumi has copped the brunt of criticism), both appear to be completely remorseful for what they said. I am a fan of the circle but have been too scared to leave my support for Yumi on the Circle’s Facebook page as I feared I would be subjected to abuse by doing so. Reading the comments on the circle’s fb page scared me s@*#tless to think that so many people out there can be so nasty, unforgiving, misogynist & seriously abusive. There are many people out there who have done far worse things that would not be deserved of such vitriol & hatred. PEACE.OUT.
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Yumi needs to find her brain in a wadding pool. Oh sorry yumi… It was just a joke
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What’s a ‘wadding pool’?
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Drop the added d…Sorry Wading.
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Maybe you should find your brain.
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The story that channel nine ran – 99% sure it was ACA on Yumi’s mistake was horrible.
The journalist/reporter/voice over was just terrible.
…If you haven’t heard of her, I wouldn’t be surprised…
….she needs to go back to hosting music shows.
I agree with your post Mia. I feel horrible for what Yumi is enduring. It is not just people hiding behind social media that need tutting at though. Other networks have been capitalising on the whole scenario (not surprising I know!) but all it does is hype people up.
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She had 2 opportunities to apologize and stuffed it up both time. First on the show the next day she used it as a launching pad to announce her engagement with the crocodile tears. Second on The Project. The apology was filled with excuses. Negus on the other hand said his piece without reserve.
This is not a gender issue but about the public’s perception of her sincerity. Try the apology without all the “it was just a joke” comment and see what happens.
I don’t condone the death threats to her children.
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I agree that neither apology was particularly sincere or heartfelt (nor was Negus’ for that matter) but the abuse she is getting is just unbelievable and completely unacceptable. Have you seen what people are actually saying? I made the mistake of visiting the circle’s facebook page and the comments on there made me ill. They are personal, threatening, incredibly racist, sexist sickening comments. What she said is not ok. But this response is out of control, completely out of proportion and not ok.
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But Macca – to her it WAS a joke at the time. Do you want her to lie?
Have you never said anything and regretted it later?
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I was just thinking about this today. Why is an apology not good enough for people anymore? When someone makes a mistake (as we all do) and they come out and say they are sorry and realize they were wrong to do/say whatever it is they did/said then shouldn’t that apology be taken in good faith and accepted?
I teach my kids that when someone hurts them or is mean and they say they are sorry it’s their responsibility to accept the apology, even if they don’t want to play/sit with the other child anymore.
It seems like some people just want blood. I’m surprised that people have been calling for Yumi to be sacked. Haven’t any of these people ever made a stupid mistake? EVER? From what I’ve read Yumi has apologized 3 times already (on the show, to Ben Roberts-Smith and again on The Project) so the fact that none of that is good enough is disappointing.
For those people who have made personal threats against Yumi and her children, they are behaving much worse than she did.
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Oh my gosh – I can’t believe how vicious this has all become.
So much for the egalitarian ‘lucky country’ where we’re all equal and mateship and goodwill abound. What has happened to forgiveness? She stuffed up – she apologised. Let’s let it rest.
Scratch the surface of this country and there is venom and hatred – towards women, towards migrants, towards anything deemed ‘other’. It took this error of judgement by Yumi to once again expose this revolting side of Australians. It scares me.
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Let’s not get carried away and judge the majority of Australians by a bad minority of dickheads…
Don’t get me wrong, the cowards who use the anonymity of social media to abuse and threaten people are awful and need to be called-out for their bad behaviour, but let’s not over-react and think that a large number of Australians are like that….we are not…
Haters are louder than the rest of us…but they must not be allowed to represent the rest of us normal decent people.
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Did I say the majority of Australians? No.
May I clarify – ‘some’ Australians. However, they crawl out of the woodwork at times like this and it DOES scare me
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If they – the haters – think that they have scared you, they have won.
If the haters think they are having an affect on us, they have won.
We need to be strong in the knowledge that we out-number them…and face them down.
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Yes, I agree.
If only I could do that – but the shrill insanity of the comments just make me feel nothing but despair I guess – rather than fear. Why the hate? And as Mia said, it’s from seemingly everyday people with happy little photos of themselves with their babies and children.
Still, am going to face them down. Good advice John.
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“Scratch the surface of this country and there is venom and hatred” -Kathy W
Perfectly said.
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I agree the comments should not be threatening or personal but she is a TV host with a public profile who should have thought more carefully about the ramifications of her opinion, joke or not. The guy is a respected and awarded soldier!
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Do these people not realize that what they are doing to Yumi is worse than what she did initially? Unbelievable.
I like Yumi, she has some spunk. I hope she doesn’t lose that amongst all this bullying & hatred. Great post Mia.
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In most instances you can choose to avoid having irrational, nasty and ignorant people in your life. Unfortunately the combination of being a public figure and the ease and accessibility of the internet means that those people are unavoidable. I sincerely hope that these threats are empty ones that are only being made because the computer screen provides a shield for them to say the shitty things they wouldn’t get away with saying in person.
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Thank you Mia. I have been posting support on facebook and Twitter but it needs someone with your profile to make people see sense. This has gone too far, the way the idiots carrying on is so much worse than anything Yumi or George said. Yumi has copped the brunt of this and it makes me sick … thank you for saying what a lot us think .. it needed to be said.
Time for everyone to forgive and move on .. enough is enough.
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I think it’s terrible that her family is threatened, and I hope to god it’s just all talk, but I think this girls comment was disgusting. I am glad advertisers are pulling out. It show they too find her words inappropriate. A pitiful apology just explains what she is all about. Sorry I think it’s time for her to go.
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Goodness. Lets hope you never say anything silly in your workplace… otherwise it’s the chop for you, hey.
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Yep! Perfect Post. Agree 1000%
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SNAP! I was thinking about the corralation between Yumi & Kyle as well. The venom pointed towards her is outragous. What is also disappointing is the pulling in advertising from The Circle that has resulted. Kyle had to have a couple of goes of being completely revolting for any result.
Her treatment in the media raises a lot of questions.
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First, it is terrible and wrong to become abusive to anyone in this situation. Nobody benefits from that- it makes things worse instead of better.
She said something stupid in the heat of the moment and copped a lot of flack for it. I was disgusted myself.
BUT.
She didn’t offer an adequate apology. She made light of the situation and made excuses. If she had taken the situation more seriously and given a proper and respectful apology when given the opportunity, this would have blown over by now.
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Couldn’t agree more- i love Yumi and really believe she just said something without thinking. We all do it. Give her a break!
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We might all do it, but we aren’t all tv hosts on a national programme. He’s a decorated war hero FGS, it couldn’t be a more inappropriate comment if it were scripted!
*THAT* is what the general public are up in arms about. Not the comment itself, but the lack of respect both before and after it was made. She didn’t get it then and she still doesn’t get it now.
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So what do you want her to do? Quit her job? Leave the country? Donate a pound of flesh? What ACTUALLY will satisfy the haters?
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I am not a hater, so I don’t know.
But for me, a genuine apology would be nice.
Not an apology because “people don’t have a sense of humour” or because “I’m so upset everyone is mad at me”.
I don’t condone all the the personal stuff, but she’s really upset a lot of people. And I’m not entirely sure there is anything she can do to make it okay again.
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all that matters is that the apology she gave to corporal roberts-smith was genuine.
she doesn’t owe the rest of us anything more
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“And I’m not entirely sure there is anything she can do to make it okay again.” You really need to learn how to forgive and move on. Have you never made an error of judgement before? Thought as much!
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Oh how ridiculous. She didn’t kill anyone’s mother, father or child. It was a comment. The idea that a silly comment can’t be forgiven is ludicrous. I know people’s sensitivities were offended – mostly from what I see people’s patriotic sensibilities and support for the troops. The reaction has been grossly over-done. And the idea that no apology would suffice just shows that there are many, many people in need of real meaning in their lives instead of this beat-up.
She apologised. If you don’t accept it, then likely you won’t accept anything she says or does. (Which you allude to yourself). The real issue there then is with you and others who feel the same. You should spend more time deciphering and thinking about your own reaction than projecting everything onto a stranger.
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Actually, you took what I wrote the wrong way.
I did not say that I would personally begrudge her anything. But the media is a very fickle business. And I don’t think there is anything she can do from this point on to make everyone forget this episode.
THAT’S what I meant when I wrote “but she’s really upset a lot of people. And I’m not entirely sure there is anything she can do to make it okay again.”
Perhaps YOU should have a think about what YOU are projecting onto strangers, yeah?
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