by LETITIA ROWLANDS
As the mother of an energetic three-year-old and a yet to sleep through the night six-month-old, there are times when the ability to make myself invisible would be quite a helpful skill. Little did I know all I needed to do to in order to master this seemingly impossible feat was walk into a car dealership with my husband and two young sons in tow.
Abracadabra! Just like that, I disappeared from sight. Well, as far as several car salesmen were concerned, anyway.
I am a late 30-something woman, have always earned my own money and taken a keen interest in how it is spent. Believe it or not, I have even mastered the skill of speech and polite conversation.
But those technicalities mattered little to the salesmen we met when shopping for a new family car last week. Or they at least paled into comparison to the fact my husband was, well, a man. Nevermind that the car we were trading in was registered in my name, and it was my bank account the funds for the new purchase would come from.
One salesman (we’ll call him Sam) did walk up and speak to me once – only to ask my husband’s name. As I waited naively for Sam to also ask my name, he turned around, wrote my husband’s name on the paperwork attached to his clipboard and walked away.
He then approached the man of the house, showed him a figure which he was willing to give us for our trade-in and said “So, is that what you are happy to get for your car sir?”. Um, hi, that would be my car Sam.
Fortunately my husband, like most men I know, has a lot more respect for women than the car salesmen we encountered. So he was kind enough to share the information Sam had given him, and we made a decision as a couple.
At the next dealership we visited, things only got worse. All the questions and answers were aimed at my husband. Then, after we had decided on a car and were negotiating the price, the salesman managed to be even more offensive.
He and my husband were $500 apart when it came to what they thought a fair price for the vehicle was. For the first time during the entire car buying process, the salesman looked at me. ”Maybe the lady can help me out,” he said.
Firstly, how does he know I’m a lady? And secondly, while thankful that I no longer appeared to be invisible, I was now being treated like a stupid ditz who was going to talk her husband into paying more for a car because the chauvinistic salesman wanted him to.
Now I haven’t been living under a rock, and I did know that car salesmen had a reputation for being less than politically correct. In last year’s Readers Digest list of most trusted professions they came third last, ranking above only politicians and tele-marketers.
But it’s 2012 people! I thought their attitude toward the fairer sex might have changed just a little since women were allowed out of the kitchen and into the workforce. It appears I was wrong and, after talking to friends, I now realise my experience is not an isolated one.
One mum-of-two told how, at eight months pregnant and with one little girl already in her arms, she and her husband went car shopping earlier this year. Without knowing anything about the family’s finances, the salesman made it clear that he did not believe they could afford the car they were enquiring about.
The next day her husband returned to dealership alone and the same salesman, who did not even recognise him from the previous day, almost fell over himself to serve the “new” customer, who now didn’t have his wife and daughter cramping his style.
Another friend went car shopping with her mother only to be told repeatedly “tell your husband what I said, he’ll know what it means.” Needless to say the women walked out. According to Australian motoring website autochic.com.au, women purchase over 60 per cent of all new cars and make the final decisions in 85 per cent of all new car purchases.
However 89 per cent of female car buyers still report a negative experience in their dealings in the car industry. Until salesmen start acknowledging not only a woman’s existence, but also her intelligence and buying power, things are not going to get much better.
Letitia Rowlands is a Sydney-based freelance journalist who combines writing with bringing up her two young sons Hugo, 3, and Jasper, 6 months. Most recently she was The Daily Telegraph’s Family Reporter, where she wrote news and opinion pieces on issues facing all types of modern-day families.
Have a salesperson ever made you feel invisible? Do you think gender plays into how salespeople treat you?








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Next time leave the husband at home with the kids? Your money, your car. But when this happens it is really dehumanizing to be treated as a non person by anyone.
I’m single and just bought a new car, arranged finance etc and have nothing but praise for the young guy who I dealt with. I’d looked at 5 used cars on my own feeling uncomfortable out of my area of expertise before deciding on a new one and the dealers were all really helpful too.
I remember my first home loan, the guy spoke exclusively tothe now ex- husband, ignored me and worked out our repayments without even acknowledging me or asking me my income assuming as the mother of a 9 mth old I didn’t have my own income until I said something…invisibility when we are standing or sitting next to a man.We and our views opinions etc just don’t matter as much. It gets worse as you get older…the invisible older woman syndrome. Completely off topic but I wonder how much the perception of women is influenced by media, all those stupid inane ads with brainless silly adult women getting excited over a bra or cleaning products, a purple cartoon cat advertising cat food and acting like 12 year olds, stupid, shallow, gossipy articles in womens mags…and music videos…
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So true! I am a lawyer and at least 3 times I can think of it has been assumed that I must be part of the admin staff (because I am a woman? because I am under 30? I don’t know). One client came in and said “you must be new, I can never keep up with all the new paralegals here”, another time in a meeting I was asked to get coffee – i think he thought I was the waitress who comes in to take the coffee orders. One time a lady asked me where I worked, I named the firm and she said “in reception?”
What the hell! If there is a lawyer ‘type’ I obviously don’t fit the bill!
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Try autogenie. I checked it out- It’s a hassle free way for anyone to to buy a new car.
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I wanted a new car and my husband’s only concern was that at 6 foot 5 he fit. We went off to the dealership and looked at the cars. Each time the sales person went straight to my husband and and asked what he was looking for. Each time he pointed to me and said “my wife is buying a car, you need to talk to her” the sales person walked away gob smacked. They never knew what to do next. When I finally decided on a car the sales person was still sleazy but at least I got the car I wanted.
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I run the office in a powdercoating factory at the moment, and most guys are terrific, but one old codger came in, looked around and goes “there’s nobody here?” I asked if I could help him with anything and he said, “there’s no one here to talk to?” Um, hello? Am I a friggin hologram or something?
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My car shopping experiences have been nothing like this. Then again, I didn’t have a man with me so I suppose that may be a different story.
But I work in the construction industry, and on several occasions I have been told by clients that they were surprised to see me because they expected a man to meet with them, I have been asked how I got the job & what my qualifications are, and I have been asked if I am the boss’s daughter THREE times!
I have always responded professionally to these questions/comments and within moments proven to them why I have my job – because I know what the feck I’m talking about!!
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I recently went with my Nana to buy her a new car. Turned out to be pretty awkward for the salesman who underestimated the 80 year old lady with her 22 year old granddaughter – I sold cars at a dealership for years while I was at uni, and managed to make him look stupid in front of his manager when he started theatrically talking about timing belts to try and look smart and I pointed out that the model we were after had a timing chain, not a belt.
Got an awesome deal though!
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Nice!!!
I did a similar thing at a mechanic in Sydney. They tried to tell me that the alternator was broken and would cost me $1500 to fix.
Sorry mate, my dad was a mechanic. I grew up around cars. That one didn’t fly.
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Uh, sigh. Sigh, sigh, sigh. I knew this kind of ‘a car is exclusively a man’s toy’ sexism appeared in car advertisements not too long ago, but I too would have though that in the year 2012 buying a car as a woman would not be so much of a sh*tty experience. You’d think as salesmen, they would at least try to sell to the buyer, and realise that they buyer – believe it or not – can be a woman. Woh, wouldn’t that just blow their minds – hehe. Interesting that they were all salesmen in this story, wonder how different the experience would have been if they were saleswomen.
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Uh, sigh. Sigh, sigh, sigh. I knew this kind of ‘a car is exclusively a man’s toy’ sexism appeared in car advertisements not too long ago and probably still today, but I too would have thought in the year 2012 buying a car as a woman would not be so much of a sh*tty experience. You’d think as salesmen, they’d at least try to sell to the buyer, and realise that the buyer – believe it or not – can be a woman. Woh, wouldn’t that blow their minds – hehe. Interesting that they were all salesmen from this story, wonder how different the experience would have been if they were saleswomen.
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I work at Bunnings. I know my hardware, specifically spare/replacement parts for power tools, plumbing, kitchens and flooring. The sheer number of people that bowl straight past me when I ask if they need any assistance and make straight for the first male colleague they see is INFURIATING.
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Bunnings is fraught. I love the place, but I find being a young woman in there can be difficult. I recently went in because I bought some IKEA furniture and a couple of bolts were missing. I took one in with me as an example, and asked a (male) staff member where they keep the dynabolts. Before he would tell me where they kept them, he looked me up and down, then practically demanded that I explain to him what I wanted them for. I explained, taken aback, then he proceeded to tell me that I was totally wrong and asked if my boyfriend or dad was here with me.
The guy just could not accept that I knew what I wanted, and that they were the right item for the job. At first I thought he was just trying to be helpful, but after the judgmental questioning I was totally pissed off! I was so offended that in the end, when he was halfway through talking to me about needing a different bolt (which, incidentally didn’t even come in the size I needed but you know, I’m a girl so whatever) I just walked away and found the damned bolts myself.
Lo and behold, the ones that I wanted were the right ones. And frankly, even if they had turned out to be wrong its my money and if I want to waste it buying dynabolts when he thinks I should be buying others, its none of his business!
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Real estate. Grr. We are currently in the process of looking to buy a new house. Given my background growing up (a very handy and mechanically minded father, who really wanted sons, and instead had daughters) I know a fair bit about renovating, building and electrical work. My husband doesnt know a lot, and more importantly, isnt remotely interested.
So every house we look at, I spend my time looking at ceilings, guttering, roof lines, piers, brick work, plumbing…yet every real estate agent insists on asking my husband what he thinks of the house. And every time he says “You need to ask my wife. She’s the one with the knowledge and the questions”. And EVERY TIME they look surprised and ask me what I think in a patronising voice.
And the patronising voice really only starts to disappear when I start talking about sagging roof joists, concrete cancer and collapsing piers. Then they can’t get rid of me fast enough.
Its not so much that they make the gender stereotypes that annoys me (although it does), but that if we are making a decision to sink roughly half a million dollars or more into a purchase, don’t you think it might, in fact, be a joint decision??? Not one made by the man of the house that the “little lady” might just have to go along with???
PS In fairness, nobody has actually called me “little lady” as yet. Although this is probably only because I’m taller than my husband and it might offend him and make him take is decision making power to another house…
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When I encounter this, when they talk to my husband and even though he asks my opinion they still keep focusing on him, he says (or sometimes i do) that the CFO (being me) needs to approve the spend.
So they know they need to get me onboard too!
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I get this in the opposite manner; I manage the website for my company which sells high end audio systems however for the past week have been at a trade show promoting our products. Having run the website for some time now I know a lot about the products however a majority of the males visiting our stand will refuse to trust anything I have to say about the items and when there has been a male staff member at our stand will often- even mid-conversation with me- go and ask him a question! It’s doing my head in! I am also rather young- at only 22 but just because I’m a young female it does not mean that I don’t know what I’m talking about!!! GAH! rant over.
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I know exactly what this feels like! I work for an engineering services provider, and attended a huge mining expo in Mackay a few months ago. In a heavily male dominated industry, people were constantly looking over my shoulder as I was speaking to them looking for a man to talk to. If I asked them a question, they would direct their answer to the man standing next to me – who wasn’t even remotely involved in the conversation. The only time they spoke to me was to ask if I had any free stuff to give away. I was so happy to get to the airport at the end of day three I nearly cried!
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Yep this sort of attitude has been around a long time, but at least it is getting better, there are not so many of these situations occurring.
I have loads of tales from way back: my first principle (female) wasn’t allowed a loan to buy a house without a male guarantor!! One of the head teachers had to do that for her. I couldn’t get a car loan (in which I had ¾ of the money) without my father going guarantor and I was 23 and working full time as a teacher.
Let’s face it ladies, it has improved. Needless to say when I bought a new car a few years ago I got the salesman ignoring me treatment, but my husband immediately told each one “ignore her and you lose the deal, it’s her car”. So I agree with people having to not be too passive about it all, it isn’t rude to say to them “I am the buyer he is here just to pick the colour”
My husband has similar problems when it comes to cooking/ colours of things in the house etc. I couldn’t give a hoot; he is ignored as they ask me again and again.
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Yeah, it’s just so tiring to have to deal with these people. I’ve had the same issues with salesmen.
The funniest time was when I was signing up for Foxtel. The sales guy asked me if I knew what the Internet was. Mr Suki turned to me and said ” you know dear, that magic box with the flashing lights I use for work”. We still call our computer magic box!
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Not with cars but with health insurance.
At Mutual Community, now BUPA, I talked to the Consultants, filled out the paperwork, the premiums are charged to MY credit card yet they made my husband the primary account holder! All mail is directed to him and I have to get HIS permission to access the account details, even though I set it up.
What the?? I emailed them to complain and receive a crappy response with no explanation of why they made him the primary account holder. Thanks to BUPA my intelligence has been insulted. Why assume that the man is the one who pays the bills or runs the household?
Errrrh, who do you think organises all the doctors’ appointments and takes the kids to them. My husband would have no idea of the family finances….. he is too busy and with an Accounting degree I think I am more than capable to manage them!
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My last car (in Australia) was purchased at a government auction. It was a fantastic experience – no salesman, and one of the workers even helped us out with the bidding process.
My husband and I are fairly equal in what we know about cars – which is quite a lot. I have usually made my decision about my next car about 5 years before I buy it. Husband always directs the salesmen to me, insisting that I will be making the ultimate decision so they better treat me well!
My only negative experience (apart from the dealer who tried to convince me that I didn’t want a Commodore, and surely I would be better off with this nice lady-like Mazda) was actually when my husband was car shopping/dreaming. Our deal was that if we didn’t wind up going overseas to study, he would buy a nice car, and he wanted a WRX. I wasn’t keen on the idea, but he looked and found one he liked. He prepped the salesman before I got there, telling him I wasn’t keen on it, and to really focus on the safety features and resale value of the car. We took it for a test drive, and the first thing the salesman did was fang it around a corner off a major highway at about 70kms an hour. Husband was so appalled at the fact that he had done the complete opposite of what he’d asked that he asked to go back to the dealership and thanks, but you just lost a sale. Too much testosterone, and still trying to sell it to the boy. Problem was, he wasn’t the one who needed it selling to!
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I’m ashamed to say that I probably add to the ‘women know nothing about cars’ assumption. Whenever I go car shopping, to a mechanic or do anything car related really, I bring my dad. It’s just easier to get him to do it for me than get pissed off at SOME people trying to rip me off because they assume I know nothing. Not saying ALL salesmen, mechanics etc try and rip women off, but there is no denying some do, and I ALWAYS find them.
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I know pretty much nothing about computers, cameras or anything like that and I’m lucky my dad knows heaps about them. If I go computer shopping or am looking for a new camera, I always ask his opinion.
Once I move out, I’ll definitely learn all this for myself but right now, I’m content to have his help!
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I had the same experience – I did a heap of research, went shopping armed with my spreadsheet. My (now ex) boyfriend came with me just for fun, he was not part of the decision making process (and in fact knew absolutely zilch about cars).
Salesmen ALL talked to him and ignored me, even when I clearly butted in and obviously knew what I was talking about.
Unsurprisingly I ended up buying a Suzuki Swift – from the only female salesperson I came across. Big thanks to Suzuki in the City in Adelaide:)
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Wow, all these stories shock me. My experience could not be more different. I have now bought 5 new cars over the years and I have never been treated like this.
I have gone into each dealership armed with tons of information and the sales people know straight away that I have done my homework. I have also made it clear that I will walk away if I do not think the deal is a good one and I say up front that I will not be buying any aftermarket treatments so please don’t send me into talk to another salesperson about them.
Trivett BMW has women’s days for those who feel that they are not getting treated well. They have nights where they talk about basic car maintenance and what to look for in a car etc etc.
It is a great way to talk about cars and ask questions in a casual environment.
I am sad that so many of you here have not had a positive experience. Buying a car should be exciting.
I hope someone from the motor traders association reads the comments on this post.
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The best way to deal with this type of behaviour (in any industry) is to not buy from them. They will soon get the picture that this behaviour is not acceptable if every woman did this and it’s not like you can’t go across the road or the next town and get the exact same product.
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I think you should link this article and all its comments to the other one where all these people were like, ‘Hurrr I’m not a feminist because there’s not use for it anymore hurr’.
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I think you should link your comment to all the comments below about how men get the same treatment in certain circumstances (like when it comes to parenting for instance). The point most blokes make on here re feminism is not that there are no issues that need addressing for women, but that there are as many issues the other way around, yet feminism is a movement that can only ever acknowledge one side.
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I’m not going to deny that there is a sexist element to some of the treatment described on here, but car salespeople will attempt to make the maximum amount of money out of anybody who walks through the door.
Part of the reason why men get better treatment is because they have schooled themselves on cars. Read the women who say that they had a good experience on here and they all seem to be saying; ‘I did my research before I went.’
Smart buyers. It will really help your experience if you have picked out the car that you like, it’s various models and you understand what price points that they’re selling for. Forewarned is forearmed.
Other savvy purchasers will go towards the end of the calendar month, when sales teams are trying to reach their bonus targets are hungrier and more often inclined to discount more deeply.
Oh, and before I forget; ‘Hurrr’.
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I use the sexism for me and while the sales guy is pressuring my husband, I’m making up my mind.
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When I was in my early 20s (circa 2003), my sister and I went to Parramatta Rd to buy a car. The first old crusty salesman felt sorry for us, being poor brainless females, and told us ‘you girls need to go home and come back with a bloke. You’ll get eaten alive out here’. Yep, thanks mate. We got in the car and laughed hysterically for about 10 minutes. And then we went home.
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Wait till you turn 50. Then you will be completely invisible.
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True. Which does have an up side…
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So know what you mean. When I last bought my car I called up for a price at the local dealer and a salesman wouldn’t speak to me. Then I went in and still the same attitude from another salesman. Third time I went in ready to kick some heads. Ignored both males who had ignored me and then approached the female sales person and asked her to serve me. Bought the car and made a big fuss of the female in front of the men. My husband walked over to them and told them to next time pull their heads in! Total pretty woman moment.
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I was just thinking about my own ‘pretty woman’ experience…
2 years ago I went shopping with my parents for a new car, I already knew what I wanted however my dad thought it would be best to check out some of the competition. We headed over to Hyundai to look at an i-30, the salesman only spoke to my dad even when I had already explained I was after the car. My dad looked at him and said ‘not me – her’.
From then on he wasn’t interested, showed me the car and walked away.
Needless to say we went back and got the car I originally wanted.
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Read all these. Seems that there are still some salesmen floating around from the Jurassic. By all means be rude to them.
But, if you you’re just feel a little pressured by the sales process, that’s probably not the time where you’re justified to go too hard on to your front foot and become rude.
If you’re in a showroom then it’s a salesperson’s job to try and sell things to you. They’re as entitled to courtesy as the next person.
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Last time I was looking for cars I went with my equally ignorant bf. We got in the car on sale, I flicked it into reverse and stepped on the gas only to find it didn’t move. My bf and I stared at each other, shocked. He said “oh my god. It doesn’t even drive”, and I agreed “how bad is that! How stupid do they think we are??” I opened the door and said (rather sassily) to the owner “Um, this car is broken”. He looked at me for a few seconds then asked “Have you turned it on?” No, no I had not. Kind of feel like I lost my bargaining power somewhat at that moment!!
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What a joke. this is another attempt by women at males. The problem is women don’t stand up for themselves. make yourself known, let people know your there and speak up. How about trying to take control of a situation? That might also help your chances of feeling ‘equal’
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Whoa Adam! We’re talking about sexist attitudes and assumptions of salespeople (males ones in this case but it also applies in reverse), it’s not ‘us’ having a go at ‘you’.
I know way more about cars, construction, gardening and anything trade-related than my hubby and as you suggest, I make it very clear to the person (male) I’m dealing with I know what I want. I also agree when you say women need to take control and lose the passive aggressive approach of slamming doors.
So Adam, when was the last time a man was rude or condescending to you?
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Urgh yeah it is so insulting and degrading. Get with the times people! I would never buy a car from a car salesman and cannot stand visiting. Always second hand cars from owners selling them! Our last car was bought from a guy moving overseas for $5,000 less than the car salesman offered and the model we bought was 2 years newer and in perfect condition!
I have experienced this at mechanics and in hardware shops though too! Despite growing up with a carpenter as a father who taught me many things and also worked at Magnet Mart and frequent weekends at the hardware store..I once enquired about a job at Bunnings and was laughed at and asked if I really thought I was suitable for the job and what did I know.
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When I bought my current car brand spanking new I had decided to research at home and then go get a car. So when all of 24 yrs old dancing girl rocked up to Duhig Ford and said I want to buy that car please and I need finance. The collective silence was fantastic. However I almost peed laughing when they sent the after market sales person in an they set in the ‘hot’ girl who in those days I left in the dust. The only time I dropped the ball was deciding on colour, I was the only thing I had not considered DOH!
In every return visit for servicing they got worse and worse, I’m pretty sure I got called love a lot. But the worst was the time I let my mum take my car to a mechanic, a repair that ended up costing me about a hundred bucks, when mum took it was going to cost 800. He went with the ‘ I wouldn’t let my daughter drive the car like this’ gah!!!!! Hideous!
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I have had this same thing happen to me on many occasions.
Once when I asked what options were available on a car I was told what colours it comes in.
I have also been laughed at directly when contacting a dealership via phone to get a quote on a very sporty, high-performance model of car.
The last time I was ignored for 20 minutes while the male salespeople watch a football match. It took a lot of boot and door slamming to get their attention from about four metres away.
My way of dealing with this over the years is to wait until we take the car for a test drive with the dealer in the back as a passenger (hubby always gets offered the keys first), then halfway through the drive my husband pulls over and I get in the drivers seat. Needless to say many a dealer has had to hang on tight while sitting in the back seat (within the road rules of course). I find they are always much more respectful after you have taken them for a drive!
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Recently at a specialist medical appointment for my daughter the Doctor looked at her father and said ‘what job do you do?’ hoping he’d say something scientific to see if he could understand what he was trying to explain. He didn’t even address me.
I immediately pulled him up on it and he became very embarrassed – I doubt he will ever make that mistake again.
I like to think by the time my daughter is my age she wont have to hear those sorts of sexist comments.
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I was told by a car salesman that my car was a 1.3 litre engine ‘although I probably don’t understand what that means’ and then showed me the boot as it had ‘lots of room for shopping.’
I didn’t buy from him and when I was called by the company to review my experience I told them I didn’t like being treated like that
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I can’t help but feel like if a salesperson was doing that to my husband and I, I’d wait until the stage where we’re just about to sign the contract and then say, “I’m sorry, I can’t sign that contract because it’s not a Bic For Her. I just don’t think we can do business.”
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My local Strathfield Car Radio used to work like a TArdis. As soon as I stepped in I would be transported to another galaxy far far away. The staff couldn’t hear me or see me. They only sold things to men. I was not surprised that business went broke.
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I must have been lucky there; the young man couldnt do enough to help me select a new stereo, and finished off by given me his number and letting me know that I should call him if I needed anything
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I bought my last car in Adelaide. I found it on line, flew to the dealer and drove it back to Canberra. Why? Service. I also said to the salesman that I was surprised he actually ‘spoke’ to me, not my husband. His reply? My boss is a woman. I’d be out on my ear if I didn’t. Thank you Solitare Motors in Adelaide. Brilliant service.
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Honestly, if it’s going to be your car paid for with your money but you still rock up with your husband or father or male friend, I don’t think it’s out of line for someone to assume they are there to make the decision for you. The majority of my female friends enlist a guy to help when they are buying a car so I’m sure the salespeople see a lot of that.
I’ve always gone on my own to car dealerships and I’ve always been treated respectfully.
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I can see someone assuming you’ll make the decision together, or maybe even the man is there to fill in any knowledge gaps of yours (and that they may know what they’re talking about), but to make the decision for you?
That is a patronising assumption in my opinion.
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There’s a difference between that kind of assumption (which really shouldn’t alter the way you treat the two people anyway) and completely ignoring the woman.
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I was treated like a dill by an electrician doing some repairs in our home. When I asked him the problem he told me he would simplify it to laymans terms so I would understand…..I have never boasted about my education nor used it to belittle other people and admittedly these days I am an average suburban mum in gym gear who reads The Womens Weekly but I did get great delight from telling him that I studied physics at University so I’m pretty sure I can keep up with you…
He did looked surprised and was a lot more respectful.
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Try being a man and trying to get teachers to look at you when talking about your kid in parent teacher nights, or to get the health nurse to look at you when talking about your infant. It does happen both ways.
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I had a nurse tell me that the mums group meeting for parents with new babies really was only for mums and no, sorry there is nothing for dads. Turned out not to be true though…
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Well, they shouldn’t have said that. We deliberately call it new parents group to make it more inclusive and do get the occasional father by himself or couples coming to them.
I think if both parents have showed enough interest to come to an appointment, then they both should be talked to.
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I haven’t had the car buying experience but I have had a lot of experience with shops that seem to have a “no penis, no service” policy. Apparently women don’t understand computers, whitegoods or furniture
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Had a new fridge delivered and it had a tiny dent in the side. The delivery man said I should get my husband to take a look and decide if we were happy with it or wanted a new one. Besides the fact I was a very single 18 year old, I’m pretty sure I can make a decision about a small dent…
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I’ve had the same experience going shopping for computer gear with my 17 year old daughter. The sales person pretty soon discovered what a complete geek she is – he had to get a senior person as he could not answer her questions!
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Urgh. This happened to me recently when having new blinds installed in our living room. Found and contacted the business, got the swatches, made the decision and asked the boyfriend to confirm our order in person (the business is around the corner and he had a day off). I was the only one home the day the blinds were installed, and the man said to me “So the boss is away today, hey?”
Nope. You’re looking at her.
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Funny, it is almost universal that the wife gets called ‘the boss’ in those situations. Most men dont seem to get offended when that happens, choosing instead to take it in the good humour intended. Some times we need to lighten up and not go looking for sexism in everything.
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Whilst I agree reverse sexist is alive, ‘The Boss’ does not mean ‘The Boss’ in this situation – it is supposed to be demeaning (not that it bothers me, says more about the person saying it and their insecurities).
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I disagree Lulu, I think “The Boss” is meant to imply the person with whom the control is with, in direct relation to the word boss.
Much like the “better half” comments.
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Agreed, Lulu. I have heard ‘the boss’ jokes before, but in this context, it was supposed to be demeaning.
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Funny, I haven’t had an experience like this since having kids and nearing 40. I get in there, ask for what I want and don’t accept any crap. Where once I would hold back, I now ‘call’ real estate agents on their BS comments (lies), tell car salesmen and tradies that ‘I decide’ (same as I say to the kids!) and I will no longer tolerate anyone wasting my time.
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Had to laugh about this one. We went to a dealership after much research because we knew they had the exact model car we wanted 2nd hand. Admittedly we are both young, under 30 and we went with our 2 kidsin tow but still every salesman ignored us until finally , what turned out to be a trainee salesperson, asked to help us. He was so pleased to get a sale,
My mother has had many issues with mechanics over the years. The daughter of one, she knows her car back to front. Yet mechanics will always talk to my dad, it annoys her no end.
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I only recently bought a newish car for the first time. our usual modus operandi has been ‘uncle bob’s got a slightly newer car than you and is selling it’ and we’d just buy it. Never bought from a dealer until six weeks ago and thank god we haven’t.
My DH doesn’t know the first thing about cars and we walked out of three places where AFTER DH said, ‘oh explain it to her, she is deciding’ they STILL directed questions at him. Especially after they found out that it was to be ‘his’ car. the only reason he was there is he is 6″4 and we were buying a small car so i needed him to check it wasn’t too small for his frame. That was his sole purpose to be there.
House renovations are even more frustrating. Part of the sales technique is to make sure both parties are there to pressur eyou into signing on the spot and they know people will want to check with their partners. Except I was working at home and he was working not at home at the time and he also had no interest/wasn’t doing the reno, I was. They would start with their ‘I’d rather come at the evening when your husband is there’ and I’d say point blank “Look, I’m making the decision and you aren’t infringing on our family time at the evening. So either come when i ask or risk losing the sale’.
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This has happened to me, but with a carpet salesperson, I went into the shop and asked if I could get somebody out to my home to give me a quote, I was then asked straight away ‘what time is your husband available for a meeting?’ umm what? My husband leaves all that stuff up to me, he trusts me choice in colour and style and all our money is shared..!
Another time was I was browsing through a display home on my own as we are looking at building a new investment property, I was then told straight away that ‘this house is very expensive and maybe I should look at a cheaper home’ …again, why the assumption that I can’t afford it! Never judge a person by their clothes, some of the richest people I know you would not know it by looking at them…
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Oh and I remembered that when we were buying our home we are in now, I rang a particular sales rep at least 5 times and he never called me back – I wanted to look at a couple of houses he had listed on the internet – ended up by getting my hubby to call and he rang him straight back – WTF!!!
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I met a couple in whilst on holiday in Margaret River, my partner and I ended up chatting to them over dinner as our tables were so close.
If you looked at them and judged on their clothes, which we very daggy, you wouldn’t think they “belonged” in such a fancy restaurant.
Turns out they were multi-millionares that fly to Margs once a year from America, and travel 9 months out of a year, every year!
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I’m more assertive than my husband, so far more likely to challenge stupidity or just walk off. I do have a tale, but not a salesman though.
I got my husband to take my car to the mechanics. The final bill was far more than they quoted, because they did more work, without letting us know. I took my checkbook when we went to pick it up and the mechanic explained whwt they did to my un questioning husband, until I waved the checkbook at him and told him it was my car and me paying for it, so explain to me why it’s so much.
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Same thing has happened to me with real estate agents and, oddly enough, a neighbour. I had called the (male) real estate agent regarding some maintenance problem, so he returned the call to my flatmate to confirm if what I’d said was true. As if I couldn’t possibly tell whether we had a gas or electric oven.
In the case of the male neighbour, he had an issue with his plumbing and needed access to our backyard to fix the pump. I answered the door, and he immediately asked to speak my flatmate, and when I said he wasn’t home, the neighbour asked for his mobile number to consult with him about the maintenance issue.
This kind of attitude is still really very common, sadly.
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Only a year or so ago, Hubby and I decidied to upgrade from a medium size car to a stationwagon.. I come from a family where my Dad and brother are very into cars, so I probably am a little more in the know than said Hubby. I had been around to a few dealerships to talk prices and went to my local dealer knowing exactly what I wanted, just wanted to talk price. I left Hubby at home with bub no.2 and took my eldest daughter who was almost 5.
I was ignored for ages, but really wanted to see if they could better a price I had received elsewhere, so we waited… Finally a sales guy came to talk to me, and after I told him in no uncertain terms to cut the spin, I just wanted to talk prices… he basically called me a liar, as he obviously couldn’t match the price I had already received elsewhere and then threw me out!!!! Funny though cause he didn’t give me back my keys, so I couldn’t leave anyway!
Then as I left with my 5 year old in tow, he abused me as I walked back to my car… I was gobsmacked.
Only a couple of weeks later I had my new car, for the price i wanted to pay all along, and happily purchased from a woman!
When will these blokes catch up??? Its a shame really as they overshadow the guys who don’t treat women like this!
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That’s disgusting for him to be abusing you! Did you complain to the company?
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I went to a ski hire place to pick up a pair of skis and one of my male friends came with me so that he could check out the snowboards.
We grabbed my skis and were about to leave when the salesman said, “You two have fun at the snow!”
I laughed and gestured to my friend and said, “oh he’s not coming, he’s just here to help!”
The salesman acted shocked and said, “aren’t you cheeky! (to my friend) Mate – make sure you give her a good slap around when you get home!”
Me: “………………….”
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Wtf? That is outrageous! Did you report him to the manager?
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