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BY MIA FREEDMAN Public fights with strangers aren’t usually my thing. I’m highly averse to confrontation, you see. But recently I’ve been involved in two such fights, once in a nail salon when a customer was bullying the manicurist (which you can read all about here), and once on a plane.

Both times I found myself getting feisty with well-dressed women aged around 60.

Odd co-incidence or something to discuss with a therapist? Could I have an issue with nannas?

I shall bookmark that therapy session for another time and instead, tell you about the barney I had two weeks ago at 35,000 feet.

As I approached my seat after boarding, I briefly registered the silver-haired woman already sitting by the window absorbed in Steve Jobs’ biography. She didn’t acknowledge me as I sat down next to her which made me happy. Let’s-Pretend-There’s-Nobody-Sitting-Next-To-Me is my all-time favourite flying game.

Before we took off, I did my usual thing of checking emails and Twitter until the last possible minute before flicking my phone to flight mode and popping it in my bag.

“Are you going to turn that off?” Silver-hair demanded, before we’d even left the terminal. “I did,” I replied. “No you didn’t,” she insisted, gesturing at my bag. “It’s in flight mode,” I explained hastily. “You have to turn it off,” she hissed. Taken aback, I rolled my eyes like a teenager, and turned it off while possibly muttering “Whatever,” under my breath.

As soon as we reached altitude and the seatbelt sign went off, I grabbed my phone and turned it on with a dramatic flourish even though I didn’t want to use it. After playing with it ostentatiously for a minute, I put it beside me and opened my laptop to work.

An hour later when the Captain announced he was preparing to land, I did quite an immature thing. I surreptitiously turned off my phone so Silver-hair couldn’t see me do it. I wanted to see if she’d say something and she didn’t let me down.

“Are you going to turn off your iPhone?” she huffed.

I loosened one ear bud and turned to her incredulously. “Are you talking to me again? Why are you talking to me again?”

She continued her aggressive questioning and things deteriorated from there. I kept putting my earphones back in my ears and she kept hissing at me to turn off my phone. Knowing full well my phone was off, I ignored her, occasionally turning my head in her direction to roll my eyes and gape at her fury.

“You are a rude little person!” she huffed at one point.

“And you are a sad little person!” I retorted with incredible restraint, after taking a split-second to weigh up my choice of adjectives. She may have been hostile but I didn’t want to play dirty with insults based on her age or appearance.

I may be immature but I didn’t want to be a dick as well.

Refusing to believe my phone was off, she began angrily pushing the call button to summon the flight attendant at which point I started laughing. “What, are you going to DOB on me?” I exclaimed.

Indeed she tried but as we descended, her button-pushing went unanswered. Meanwhile, I turned up the in-flight music and watched her lips move furiously until we touched down. Afterwards I was giddy from the adrenaline surge that accompanies a fight or flight (in-flight) response.

It was an unfamiliar sensation because I usually go to great lengths to avoid those kinds of confrontations. They mess with my chi.

Thinking about it afterwards, I realised there are two types of fights with strangers – one is when you confront someone to stand up for a third party (like I did in the nail salon) and the other is to protect or defend your own interests (like arguments over parking spots which I always avoid because I’m scared the other driver may have a gun).

I used to flee from both types of fight but as I get older, I’m becoming less likely to put up with unreasonable behaviour. Admittedly, my definition of ‘unreasonable’ fluctuates wildly depending on how pre-menstrual I am. At a certain point in my cycle, blinking or breathing in a particular way meet my criteria. Yes, YOU IN NEW ZEALAND. Stop BLINKING LIKE THAT. I CAN HEAR YOU.

One group of people with whom I always avoid ugly confrontations are those in the service industry. Having worked in retail and restaurants, I know how ghastly it is to be berated by a customer for something entirely out of your control like a faulty product, a late flight or an over-cooked steak.

My tolerance for bad service is not unlimited but I’ll never be rude or abusive. When the power balance is unequal (i.e.: someone can’t speak freely without fear of being sacked) it’s not a fair fight.

There’s also a healthy degree of self-interest in my approach because waiters and people who work at airline check-in counters can make your life unpleasant if you piss them off. Food can be spat in and luggage can be sent to Uganda. Remember that next time you want to flex your angry muscle at the messenger.

When was the last time you got into an argument with a stranger? Or do you avoid confrontation?

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  1. Emma

    I would like to say that I never have gotten into a fight with a stranger…but I have!

    It was at my little sister’s year 7 graduation. I was lining up to purchase her photo’s while my mum went off to congratulate my sister. I had been waiting in line for half an hour, and because there were two people at the front desk taking people’s orders, the line was all higgedly piggedly (it seemed that half the middle aged mothers there had no idea how to stand in a straight line). I was standing in the right hand line when all of a sudden, this complete idiot of a woman comes up from beside me in the other line and starts to push in front of me into my line. She was actually making physical contact with me, and elbowing me out of the line.

    Did I stand there and cop this? No, of course not. Being the fiery redhead I am, I pushed this moron straight back, to which she replied (in a very condescending tone) ‘Don’t push me sweetheart’. Given that she was 7 foot tall and had muscles to put Arnold Schwarzenegger to shame, I didn’t say anything back, but glared at her and stood there fuming for another 45 minutes.

    Cow.

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  2. Kara

    I agree that the incessant comments from the lady weren’t needed in this case, she should have stopped.

    BUT I do agree with her about the phone being turned off. The flight assistants say to turn it off for a reason; they don’t say “please now switch your phone to flight mode & leave it on”.

    It is common knowledge that you turn it to flight mode and then switch it completely off until they say you can turn it back on again, at which point it will already be in flight mode for safety reasons.

    I have also told a passenger to turn his phone completely off & he acted as if he didn’t know it had to be off, he thought on flight mode was ok.

    I don’t care what theories there are that these things don’t matter, when I’m already in the air I’m nervous enough without worrying about electrical issues too.

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  3. MsZ

    Rofl!
    I recently had an argument with a woman on a flight because she rudely looked over the seat at the woman next to me who was nursing a crying child and told her to “keep that child under control”.

    the second time she did it I said “keep yourself under control! you jumping around all the time telling people off is far more annoying than any child could be”.

    The young woman looked mortified – but the man next to me gave me a little clap. 10 years ago (at 22) I wouldn’t have said anything. I wonder what I’ll be like at 60 :)

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  4. Aliceinrealland

    I just had to come on here and find out about the terrible responses to a light hearted and, importantly, self critical article.

    So many people would have responded to that awful woman a hell of a lot worse than Mia did.

    This woman obviously has very severe issues, she behaved like a bully and was vicious and overly dramatic. I kind of feel sorry for her, she must be terribly unhappy. But to take out her aggression on the poor person sitting next to her is unreasonable as was her behaviour.

    Great photo of you Mia, your look fantastic.

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  5. Tamara

    So you’re telling me because this lady kept to herself and may I add, most probably sat there quietly throughout the whole flight (apart from when she spoke to you) rather than playing loud music or nursing a crying child, which have you peace and quiet to be able to enjoy your flight. And she asked you to do something you had already been asked most probably a couple of times via the PA, but thought you were above because I’m sure you read how some article says turning your phone off isn’t dangerous, or a friends mate works for NASA and says its ok. Oh yes and that email you were reading or msg you were tweeting was SO important, because you are infacy saving lives here, and you feel that you’re valid in writing an article about this woman and how she annoyed you? She most probably reads Mamamia by the way. I actually would behave in the same manner as that lady and I am 30 years old.

    Why do you feel that you are above the rules? They are there for a reason and if they are outdated, then so be it. At 30,000 ft I’m not taking any chances. If the airline who most probably knows a lot than you about air safety asks you to turn the phone off. Please don’t be one of THOSE annoying people who think they are better than everyone else that they can simply ignore it. I’m sure you will be writing an article about the irresponsible airlines who don’t follow safety procedures in the unlikely event something does happen.

    Get over yourself.

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    • Anonymous

      Well said Tamara – totally agree!

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    • Hannahh

      You have to be kidding don’t you?! Where do you get off?

      You’d behave in the same manner as that woman – unnecessarily abrupt, aggressive, small minded, plain mean?!

      I therefore feel really sorry for you.

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  6. natgazz

    Funny that I am reading this right now, as I have just come home after almost getting into a fight. I was in the gelati shop buying a huge tub of gelati for a party tonight. As we were picking out the flavours, three young girls and their Mother came into the shop and the girls physically pushed us out of the way, literally elbowing us to get to front.Their mother just stood there and watched them without saying a word.I stepped back and as I did so stepped on another woman that was with them. I apologised and still not a word from them. What sort of manners is this mother teaching these spoiled little you-know-whats? I was so angry that I really wanted to tell her off. But unlike this woman and her horrible little children, I was raised well and with manners. So I took my gelati and went home without a word.

    But if you were the woman and her rude little girls at the gelati shop on Straddie on Sunday afternoon, I really, really, hope that next time someone does take you to task and tells you off.

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    • Hannahh

      Straddie has a gelati shop?! That’s exciting. North?

      I reckon you should have pulled them up on that, unacceptable behaviour.

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  7. Anonymous

    I posted a comment earlier today which was neither rude nor offensive regarding the bullying aspect of Mia’s mid-flight ‘entertainment’. I notice it has been removed even though I respected this website’s ‘Comment Guidelines’. Why ask people to contribute to the discussion if you then remove comments of your choosing? Did my comment hit a nerve?????

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    • Lana

      Your comment was rude. Bullying even

      If you write comments only to insult our writers, Mia or any others, they will be deleted.

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      • Anonymous

        Lana -thanks for your reply, however I am confused by your response. I was merely questioning whether we should applaud this type of behaviour, particularly when we know so much about the effects bullying can have on a person. I am the mother of two teenage girls and have brought them up to be polite and respectful – newspaper articles like this one promote quite the opposite. I’m not sure what part of my previous comment was in any way ‘rude’ or ‘bullying’ toward your writers (it is easy for you to make that claim when the post is not visible to others). If you invite people to comment, please be prepared to listen.

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        • Lana

          You are more then welcome to comment again and make your point, but if you are rude or abusive in your comment it will be deleted. I guess “the dinner party” rules are subjective so maybe just imagine that you are speaking to Mia at a dinner party (because in essence you are)

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          • Anonymous

            Thanks Lana. I would absolutely ask the same question of Mia if we were at the same dinner party. Having read back through a lot of other posts I’m amazed at some of the language and comments which have not been deleted, Many of of these are not exactly ‘dinner party’ material. Like you say though – the dinner party rules are subjective. (What you didn’t say is that you decide what is suitable). Hope this comment isn’t considered rude or abusive.

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        • Hannahh

          ‘Applaud this type of behaviour”???? Whose, the older womans”? Because her behavlour was shocking.

          Mia handled it very well, most people would have been a lot harsher.

          Good on you Lana!

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  8. wendywindflowers

    Graffiti! That’s a topic easy to get into a fight with a stranger over! I had my first one recently. Three girls who looked not too much younger than myself started doing graffiti on the train. (Keeping in mind there are signs on buses asking people to report those who do graffiti). I calmly asked them to stop wrecking the train, and they asked if I was a policewoman. When I said no, they told me to “f” off, said I can’t tell them what to do because I don’t own the train. (I said I pay taxes, so yeah, I kinda do). Instead of stopping, they began defacing the train even more which only got me angrier, and I said to them, “If you want to do art, buy a canvas – don’t destroy public property”. I couldn’t believe I said that! It felt so silly! Another lady on the train was backing me up though. This just made them angrier and they kept throwing four-letter words my way. Then, and I didn’t see this coming, they brought up a racist angle, telling me “Don’t take over our country and then tell us what to do”. (So they must’ve been of aboriginal descent, not that I had noticed or that it had anything to do with the situation). It wasn’t until we all got off at the same station that I realised I really shouldn’t take on three people when there is only one of me! Nevertheless, they left pretty quickly (after calling me white and swearing at me some more). I’d like to think it might make them think twice about graffitiing a train again – that they might not get away with it without a fight!

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  9. Guest

    My baby boy was sick and with half an hour to spare I pulled into the shopping centre to pick him up a new car window shade for the opposite side of the car where we hadn’t one. I indicated for the mums n bubs spot, and noticed a big ute in front of me now starting to reverse into it. I thought hmm unusual for a big single cabin ute to have a baby seat in the front. As he pulled in I clearly saw there was no baby. The driver looked at me and I motioned for him to pull out, no he shook his head. I wound down the window and beeped and said ‘ it’s mums and bubs parking move out’, nope. I was so angry (not usually like me but it was the 2nd thing to happen that week like that and I was sleep deprived). So I had to find a new park, I carried my sick one year old into the shopping centre and bumped into a friend. As we we’re talking, out of the shops came the driver, I yelled ‘ your an ahole! ‘ (yup so un glamorous), he ignored me and I shouted again ‘yes you, your an AHOLE’. Not my finest moment and yup I felt better.

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  10. fleigha

    I don’t understand why people comment anonymously? If you are brave enough to share your thoughts, be brave and put your name to them. Might help people behave reasonably and delightfully and argue the topic and not abuse a person!

    I don’t understand…

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    • Anonymous

      they post anonymously because they are allowed to. I’m a member of this site but a lot of the time I don’t bother signing in as I’m just paying a flying visit, so I just post anonymously.

      A lot of people use a selection of names when they comment on different posts, so even if they give a name it has no ‘meaning’.

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    • This Is A Made Up Name

      I don’t get why people have such an issue with people commenting anonymously!

      There is no difference to me writing this and leaving the name box empty or me writing this and taking a few seconds to write “This Is A Made Up Name” in the box! Either way, chances are it’s not my real name I’m going to put up there and that could be for many reasons.

      A lot of people prefer to go under a pseudo name on the internet because they don’t want to put their real name on a site and that’s their right to do so.

      Putting a name in a comment box, doesn’t make a comment any more or less valid, the comment still stands whether you attach a name to it or not.

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      • Anonymous

        I agree. I doubt very much that “fleigha’s” name is actually “fleigha”, so what does it matter if for every post she (or anyone else) uses a different name because none of the names is actually their name.

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        • Lana

          It matters when one person uses different names on one thread because it gives the impression that more than one person has the exact same thought. It’s like going to change your hair colour and outfit between courses at the dinner table and coming back and saying you agree with yourself.

          Plus if we see that happening we delete the comments.

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        • Kris2040

          It makes conversation and debate flow better too. It’s much easier to have a name to respond to than “5th anonymous”. No-one expects anyone to use their full real name, made up names are fine, just use one and stick to it!

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  11. Leah S

    Wow.
    I have just read about one quarter of the comments posted here, and I have to say to those who are offended by Mia’s column…DON’T follow it anymore if you don’t like what was written! The scathing comments from so many of you just irritates me especially when I gather that you would normally follow Mia for her honest, down to earth and sometimes, uncomfortable outlook on life! You are all pointing fingers on how rude or passive aggressive Mia was being but really, are you perfect, mild-mannered and full of joy EVERY DAY OF YOUR LIVES? Good on you, if you are, but accept the fact that some of us mere mortals do not share the same tolerance meter.

    Something that really irked me whilst reading your comments was the disgust shown at Mia’s reference to hormone levels at any given time in her cycle…Being so incredibly “offended” by sharing the same gender code as her. Yes, its true, not everybody suffers from PMS, and I suspect that those concerned have a halo and behave like angels at all times! Oh how we would ALL like to be perfect like that! It is not a nice feeling to KNOW that you are being immature, bitchy, rude, unreasonable, even mildly psychotic and NOT being able to shut it off. It isn’t an excuse but it is one of the REASONS for certain behaviour in women and to say it isn’t is just ignorant.

    I find it really strange that this column was set up by Mia to share the funny and not so funny experiences of her life…to be a meeting place for people from all walks of life to interact and keep up to date with current affairs, celebrities, parenting strategies,etc … even a bit of FUN! Why then, are so many of you so quick to pass judgement and get so damn serious (not to mention, nasty and personal, in a few instances) at the mention of nannas with silver hair? Are you suffering PMS? Hmmm, isn’t there some sort of saying which would be perfect for the exact point I’m trying to make? Something about pots and kettles and black!

    Mia, you are, as always, a provocateur and I thank you for your ongoing honesty…Some may not like what you have to say but hey, “don’t try to win over the haters…you are not The Jerk Whisperer” :)

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    • Sharon

      Yay Leah S…well said :D

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    • Cherie

      Leah S, why can’t people read an article and have their say. I believe your comments enable Mia’s childish behaviour.

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      • Mia

        Cherie, I don’t need comments to enable my childish behavior. Trust me!

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      • Hannahh

        Oh come on……Cherie. Having “your say” is one thing and completely different to the vicious, righteous, judgmental and plain mean comments that have been posted.

        And as for Mia’s “childish behaviour” she was sitting next to an aggressive, abrupt bully and was severely provoked. I think she handled herself very well. Most people would have responded far more severely and understandably so.

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  12. Eliza

    You disapprovers would really, really hate me! I’m a nineteen-year-old netball umpire and telling older women (from their 20s up to their 60s, some with an outward appearance of ‘vulnerability’ with their knee strapping and ankle braces) off is part of the job description (when warranted – when I have the same women in my face aggressively questioning both my capability and my credibility). I would love to see the pious, high road group of you deal with that kind of vocal, battering abuse and patronisation in the same situation. Mia, I would’ve done exactly the same thing. Carry on!

    http://www.graceandflowersblog.blogspot.com

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  13. Jane

    Mia, is being passive-aggressive and childish that important to you? Does behaving in such a way give you material for your weekly column? I don’t have a flash phone. I’m not elderly and did not know about flight mode until I read your column. So would you write an article about me, a 40 year old with blonde hair, if I asked you to turn off your phone? It wouldn’t have killed you to explain why you didn’t need to turn your phone off.

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    • Hannahh

      Hey Lana, don’t be so sure about that. In our office, we are not allowed to go onto social sites. dating sites, entertainmant etc on our computers. Instead have two computers which we use during breaks, lunch, after hours etc to visit Mamamia and do internet banking, hotmail, other such sites. There’s six women and one (poor suffering) guy. I don’t think he goes onto MM though, maybe he should.

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    • Chris

      Or if you don’t understand what someone says you could ask them rather than just repeat your demand?

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  14. Tallulah

    Dear God. Mia was being a douchebag, says so herself, doesn’t see herself as a victim, and just thought the situation was an interesting insight into human behaviour and the silly shit we get ourselves into.

    Get the hell over it.

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  15. A

    Something about older ladies on flights… I still remember an overnight flight from Ho Chi Minh City to Sydney maybe five years back. I was in cattle class, one seat forward from the last row, and behind me were three probably mid-60s women.

    They spent the better part of an hour kicking up a stink because by the time dinner service got to the back end of the plane there was no chicken dinners left (“but, it’s just not FAIR, I want chicken and I don’t see why I can’t have any”).

    Then, as soon as breakfast service appeared in the very first row (takes the better part of half an hour to get to the back obviously) they started shaking the back of out seats and one of them reached around to grab my arm: “you have to put your seat up, now, now, see, you have to put your seat up now!”

    Thankfully, the guy next to me gave a wonderful response, he stood up, and said very politedly: “this is not how people should act on planes, that’s not polite”, which was considerably nicer than the words on the tip of my tongue!

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  16. Miss_C

    I found this column highly offensive. For all you know the lady may have been a fearful flyer and was doing her best not to have a panic attack. Either way YOU are the one that was out of line in this scenario and should be ashamed of yourself.

    I flew with a very flying phobic friend once from NY to LA and sitting next to us was Jewish man who was blessing the plane in all corners and saying his prayers with his blanket thing over his head etc as were were taxiing and it was freaking her out, the finger nail marks on my hand were testament to that. Just as we are revving up the engines his phone rings and he proceeds to chat to the person on the phone, my friend is terrified it is gonna play with the take off instruments and despite his blessings and prayers we are all going to die. Rational perhaps not but phobias can do this to you.

    You should have explained what the “flight mode” was for rather than being so defensive and then exacerbating the situation.just made the whole thing worse. Did you really think your behaviour was OK? And then to insult every woman out there stating your behaviours can be excused by being pre-menstrual!

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    • missamoo

      Umm you are offended by this post and yet you call the orthodox Jewish man’s prayer shawl a blanket pffft!

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      • Miss_C

        I will totally put my hands up to my ignorance to the proper name of the Jewish prayer shawl etc, I will own that. And yes I am still offended by the arrogance posted there.

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        • Steph

          I’m a woman. I wasn’t insulted.
          Dramatic much?

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          • elle

            I’m a woman and I was !
            It annoys me so much that women being annoyed/angry/irritable is so often associated with PMS. Not every woman suffers from PMS and to me it implies that “you should just ignore/not take her seriously because she’s probably pre menstrual”. I think its a cliched, un-necessary thing to say which just perpetuates the attitude some men have that women are not even tempered because of their hormones.

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    • Tallulah

      It’s a bit sad if you can’t read body language to the extent you’re unable to tell whether someone is pissed off or having a panic attack. -eyeroll-

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      • Hannahh

        Or, just being an arsehole! Lol

        Great post by the way Tallulah!

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    • Sally

      Why on earth would a Jewish man saying his prayers freak her out?? If that freaks her out, there are bigger problems here than plane phobia. And no, I’m not Jewish.

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  17. Ronnie

    For 18 years I have avoided any form of confrontation with strangers, even friends. Family – yes, but only my immediate family (mum, dad, sister). I have allowed myself to be bullied, forced into doing things I didn’t want to, spoken to very rudely, etc. And I have never once fought back.

    Then, sometime last year my mum and I were walking my 2 year old Miniature Schnauzer around my neighbourhood without a leash. I have to explain that I live in a very quiet, very peaceful suburb with very few cars around and if they happen to be driving past, as the streets are so narrow, they are forced to drive at very slow speeds. This is basically why we are not the only dog owners to take their darling pets on a walk, leash-free.

    Our schnauzer is also trained to stay off the roads. She is however a very curious dog and sometimes likes to sniff around the front gates of people’s homes and if someone happens to be working in their front garden, being the people-loving dog she is, likes to take a visit to greet them. And, unfortunately (I say this in hindsight), we have done little to prevent her from doing so, as she comes back on command and everyone we have met previously to this incident has always welcomed her presence.

    On that day, however, a 30-40ish couple were tending to their garden, either their front gate was open or they had no gate when Pepper spotted an enormous, ginger cat on the path leading to their garden. Unable to resist the opportunity of making a new friend, she eagerly took a foot steps into their garden, tail wagging like mad. I also (wrongly) thought it was quite cute of her to want to make friends with a cat and watched happily as the cat began to approach her. I didn’t believe there was any danger, the cat had approached my dog, was not hissing, was not warning my dog to stay away, its tail was moving slowly in the air which I took to be a sign of friendliness.Then, out of nowhere, the cat takes a violent, claws-out swipe at Pepper’s face. I don’t know if it made some kind of a threatening sound or not because I was screaming at Pepper to get away and she was squealing in pain.

    The couple puts an end to their tasks and storms towards me and my mum and in loud and angry voices accuse Pepper of hurting their cat. Now, if my dog, my sweet darling baby girl was not involved I would have backed away and quickly left. Except, I had never felt so angry in my life and ordered at them to apologise to us. They refused, yelling things like “Your dog came onto our property and is responsible for causing our cat harm/distress. Just get away. Now.”

    I couldn’t believe it. Yes our dog may have been “trespassing” but just inside their front gate. Even on leash, that’s how far she may have gone. The cat however was allowed to wander freely. Many a time, when there has been a friendly dog in the front yard of a stranger’s garden we have allowed Pepper to approach the front gate to say hello. But it is incredibly easy to tell apart friendly and unfriendly dogs. A tail wagging says it all.

    Having never had a cat before, I absolutely had no idea. I wonder, though, what would have happened if a toddler happened to wander in, as my dog did. How would the cat react? If a dog is wary of strangers and likely to attack, it is usually kept secured. But unfriendly cats are allowed to roam about wherever they please. On another day when my mum and Pepper were out walking, her eye did not catch a black cat resting on a letterbox. When they passed by, the cat struck out with its paw at my mother’s face. Luckily, she was able to avoid the cat’s reach and got home unharmed.

    But back to fight, while I was yelling my head off, practically foaming at the mouth – my mother who has never before this day backed down from a confrontation with a stranger, apologised profusely and dragged me away. I believe she wanted to calm me down and I’m glad that she did – I was ready to begin swearing (which I never do).

    When we got home, we found out that the cat’s claws had landed less than a couple of centimeters away from my dog’s eye. I believe that when the cat’s paw had been raised that’s when I screamed and alerted Pepper to the danger she was in. In that millisecond, as the claw reached her eyebrow and Pepper had begun to move, the cat had missed her eyeball. I can’t imagine what would have happened if she got scratched in the eye. The thought of it scares me to death.

    We continue to allow Pepper off the leash (though regular off leash freedom has become very occasional) but only on streets where we know there are no cats nor unfriendly dogs. Pepper is now frightened of cats and also wary of larger dogs. She used to be so care-free and brave, trusting everything and everyone, not caring if they were even 5 times as big as her. I guess though that it is a good thing, there is less risk of her getting even more badly hurt.

    But, Ha! I guess I showed my family, who has always encouraged me to stand up for myself, to get my thoughts out and to not be afraid of confrontation for YEARS!!

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    • missamoo

      I agree the cat shouldn’t be roaming but it is natural for them to fight dogs but i disagree about dogs off leash there is never appropriate on the streets in my opinion. I have almost gone flying because off leash dogs have gone bolting under my bike wheels not fair and not cool. All animals should be restrained for their own safety what if the cat scared the dog and he ran across the road and got hit my a car is that still the natural reaction of the cats fault that your dog would get hit?? or would it be better to keep him on a leash? I’m asking because i have kept my cat inside my house his whole life unless we go for walks on a leash. He saw a dog and a bird and had no idea the bird realised and swooped him and dogs go nuts and he still just looks at me like “whats that?”
      Besides if it makes you feel better the average life expectancy of an outdoor cat is 3 years and indoors 20 so maybe the roaming one will get what you think is coming to him

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    • HannahD

      Had the cat clawed your dog you wouldn’t have had a leg to stand on. Keep your dog on a leash – no excuses.

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    • Futari

      Although your dog may behave off leash, what would happen if a larger, more aggressive dog was off leash and came up to your dog? Also, even though some dogs are good their entire lives, you never know when they would react badly to a situation. My mum had a very small, placid dog who was almost another child to her, and one day, for no apparent reason, he bit a friend of mine. My kids are timid around dogs and if a friendly dog came running up to them due to it being off leash, they are likely to get scared. Keep your dog on a leash. The laws are there for a reason.

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    • Savannah

      Cats are generally terrified of dogs and dogs chase and maul cats sometimes killing them! I’m surprised you didn’t know this! The cat was just behaving by natural instinct & defending itself. It would not do this to a child unless the child was hurting it!

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    • jess88

      You need to keep your dog on a leash when you’re out of your yard, take her to an off-leash park if you want her to be able to run around, you were in the wrong in this situation.

      Also I’m going to tell you this before you find out the hard way – a dog wagging its tail and looking happy and excited isnt always a sign that a dog will be friendly with your little one, I have two large dogs and I can tell you that if my pair saw your little dog off leash come running up to them, theyd be looking happy and excited too, and I’ll tell you why, your little dog probably bounds around and yaps a bit – as most little dogs do when excited – your little dogs behaviour would insite a reaction in my dogs, so if your little dog ran up to my pair, she’d possibly be ripped to shreds before you’d even have a chance to call her back to you. obviously not all dogs are like this, but you need to be aware that theres a chance some are. I have owned large and small dogs and I saw countless large dogs behave the same as my two when I was walking my small terrier, so he was *always* kept on a leash too.

      Also, some people are scared of dogs – all dogs – not just the big ones, I have a colleague who is really scared of little dogs as she was attacked by one as a kid, she flips out at the amount of people who walk their dogs around our local river off leash and smile lovingly while letting their little dogs run up to her while shes jogging. I’m a dog lover too so I understand you wanted to stick up for her but try to be more responsible.

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      • Anonymousdoglover

        Jess88, I am absolutely stunned to read your post!!! “your little dogs behaviour would insite a prey reaction in my dogs, so if your little dog ran up to my pair, she’d probably be ripped to shreds before you’d even have a chance to call her back to you.”

        If your dogs behave like this you are required to muzzle them. Don’t worry about telling Ronnie what to do with her dog. You face very severe charges and penalties if your dogs are aggressive of another dog.

        Surely you know this? And YOU will have noone to blame but yourself for owing self confessed aggressive dogs. Doesn’t matter if they’re on leash or not, council will, rightly, require them to be put down.

        I hope someone reports you to council before a tragedy occurs. you talk about responsibility?! My God!

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        • Jess88

          Thanks of the reply anonymousdoglover. I am aware of the laws regarding dogs and I do keep my dogs properly restrained at all times. I have had instances where people have seen my muzzled and restrained dog out walking the street and have *still* let their unrestrained pets race up to my dogs and I have copped abuse after my dogs have displayed unfriendly behaviour to their pets. My friends stepmother had an incident where an unleashed toy poodle came bounding up to her great dane and Doberman (who were leashed) while she was walking down a street (NOT a dogpark) and in one swift move the great Dane picked up the poodle and killed it because this small male dog had strayed too close to his mate – this dog had never, ever displayed aggression in its life. So while I acknowledge that my dogs can’t be trusted around small animals (including possums and cats that strat into my yard) and take the proper precautions, not everyone is aware of what their pet is capable of, and Ronnie needs to be aware of that.

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          • jess88

            Just to clarify, my pair have *never* harmed another animal (they’re fat and lazy) but my god I feel strongly about leash laws, no matter what the size or temperament of a dog, they’re all unpredictable. It makes me so angry when people think they can ignore something *little* like a leash law because they think they know their pets. My dogs love my cats but they chase strays that come into our yard, they love my SIL’s little dog but go mad at any strange little dogs they don’t know. So I take the neccesary precautions. “Ripped to shreds” was probably not the most eloquent way to get my point across but hopefully Ronnie can see where I’m coming from when I say there can be a real issue to letting your dog have free rain of the streets.

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            • Hannahh

              Fair enough Jess, thanks for following up with the detail.

              I absolutely agree with you about not letting dogs off leashes, mainly because they can run onto a road and get killed. But of course there are other reasons too. I though have let my medium size dog walk the last few metres to our house off lead as a treat, only a very short walk and we know all the houses.

              I think that Ronnie was doing something similar and she does sound like a very loving and responsible dog owner.

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  18. elle

    I can’t find my comment? Was it deleted? I didn’t say anything disrespectful or offensive?? All I said was that I don’t understand the point of the article and the message it was trying to convey??

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  19. Dee

    Mia, would it have hurt you to explain to the lady what “flight mode” is and that it is acceptable to airlines that passengers use it? I don’t fly a lot and I don’t have a fancy phone so I had never heard of this. This older lady may have been in the same position as me. Taking a moment to explain may have ended the problem right there.
    I find it hard to understand why you think you are the one wronged here. You could have difused the situation but instead you deliberately baited her and behaved in a way that would provoke a reaction. When she reacted you continued to taunt her.
    As someone else said – I’m sure if the shoe was on the other foot you would be complaining about the childish behaviour of the other person.

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    • Tamara

      Hi Dee,

      Mia was in fact wrong, as she was meant to turn the phone off after switching to flight mode before take off. But in fact ignored it. The lady in the story didn’t have an issue with Mia playing with the phone in flight. But she blatantly chose to ignore the rule in the first instance, which I feel is the bone if contention with the group.

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  20. masd270248

    Last night, returning from over East via Qantas, my attention is drawn to the very loud garrulous Aussie oink behind me, whose voice had overridden my noise cancelling headphones for the flight.
    We are all standing in the aisle, waiting to disembark.
    He is standing over a smallish, very black African, who he is berating for not having “asked nicely” if he, the African, could pass to go to the toilet !
    I very politely flipped, and remonstrated with the oink, who was trying to impress the lady he was sitting with.
    I persisted with my point as to whom was really rude, and stared him down.
    My dismay, is that all the surrounding passengers were quietly supportive, having seen his unspeakable behaviour towards someone in a disadvantaged position, and yet they did nothing, also we were close to the service area, and none of the attendants intervened either.

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  21. Size 12 Ass

    I recently had a situation in the supemarket where I was abused by a stranger and went home in tears! I was leaning in to the freezer section and a big girl was mucking around with her mates. She bumped into me and muttered, ‘Sorry’. I said ‘Just be careful’. She flew into a wild rage and snarled, ‘Don’t be so rude, I apologised’. I ignored it – I like to avoid confrontation. She yelled at the top of her lungs, ‘If your ass wasn’t so big I wouldn’t have bumped into it’. I was so upset…and couldn’t think a comeback, which is the worst!! The thing that KILLS me, is that her ass was at LEAST a size 20…I was so upset I couldn’t stop crying. Understandably, lots has been going on in my life so this was the last thing that tipped me over the edge! I was doing shopping for my Mum who was housebound after a massive operation! Who needs this!!

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    • Anon

      Hi, Size 12 Ass I can see what you meant wasn’t to be nasty or mean, and if someone said that to me I def wouldnt fly into a rage, but if someone makes a mistake and apologises straight away, I dont think its necessary to chastise them. Its almost like kicking someone when they are down or after the fact. Im sorry you had to get abused like that after and got upset though, no one deserves that.

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      • Anonymous

        Wasn’t chastising them…they had clearly seen me, were mucking around and slammed into me…bit of a difference…

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        • Just sayin

          I disagree, Anon. Yes it is nice to receive an apology but it doesn’t always negate the initial incident.
          This is an extreme example but if someone stabs you and then apologises, that apology is pretty useless! Just making a point. This lady might have hurt her and why should she hide the fact just because she apologised (which half the time is not sincere anyway).

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        • Anon

          Fair enough, it sounds like it wasn’t a simple accident in your case. I have seen situations where someone could simply bump someone, they apologise and then the other person retorts with a snide/aggressive remark (sometimes in a raised voice) and I think that is bullying and mean spirited.
          But point taken you were just defending yourself.

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        • Hannahh

          She apologised! What more did you want from her?! She didn’t do it intentionally and she immediately apologised.

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    • elle

      Lol why would you pay her any attention?? Just laugh it off!

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  22. Anonymous

    I don’t know what is more concerning, the fact that you Mia, think it was not only perfectly fine to behave the way you did but also to write a column on it or that you have so many supporters of your behaviour here on this site.

    And people wonder why the world is such a nasty, rude, impolite place these days?

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    • Anonymous

      Mia, I’m pretty disappointed with you for the way you behaved and the fact that you saw it as a humourous column piece. I’ve also considered deleting your posts because they are too mummy focused but this one certainly takes the cake. Your behaviour was just as disgraceful as the woman sitting next to you. I know you profess not to be perfect and none of us are at all but really…grow up. Surviving the unpredictabilty of human behaviour takes dignity and grace…

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      • Anonymous

        Oh how sanctimonious you are…

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        • Anonymous

          Um…no…just know how to behave with decorum.

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          • Anonymous

            Posts are ‘too mummy-focused’? Oh, come on. Is saying that behaving ‘with decorum’? I think not.

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            • LaurenHC

              I’m a little bit scared of having kids since I started reading mamamia lol but I have no issue with there being posts about parenting just because I don’t have kids.

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        • Hannahh

          Sanctimonious is absolutely the right word! Geez just extraordinary the criticism and judgment on here. I’m astounded.

          Isn’t it wonderful though, how perfect all these posters are. They are obviously so terrific that they can be so righteous and judgmental. Good luck to them.

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    • murphyslaw

      I appreciate a writer who is willing to share their experiences – ALL their experiences, the ones that make them sound great/ intelligent/ kind/ caring/ selfless and also ones that might make them sound rude/ selfish/ boring/ unintelligent.

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  23. Trog

    I was riding my bike home from work and there’s a bit on a very busy road where I bring the bike up on to the footpath and cross at a zebra crossing.

    For once, the road wasn’t that busy and I was still on my bike, but stalling and waiting for the one approaching car to get through the crossing so that I could cross. I was waiting because I know that I don’t have right of way while on my bike.

    The car slowed down to a stop so I thought, cool, considerate driver, off I go. The driver then lunges his car at me as if to hit me while I’m riding in front of his bonnet.

    I fire up and yell ‘Get f*cked, you miserable pissant’ at the driver. Not quite as measured as Mia’s response, I’ll admit. We have a short and very blue shouted exchange and he roars off.

    Out of the corner of my eye, I see a woman pushing a pram with a toddler and another child walking alongside. I turn to pick up my bike, thinking ‘Shit, wish I hadn’t flipped it and cussed a blue streak in front of that poor woman and her kids. Bad look.’

    I get back on my bike and turn around.

    It’s my nanny and MY two kids. Shit. Shit. Shiiiiit.

    I grunted something to my nanny and kids about it not being my finest moment and that I shouldn’t use naughty words.

    My kids gradually picked their jaws off the ground, my nanny managed to hide her grin more successfully over time and I sheepishly rode the short distance home.

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  24. poppy

    To me, this post represents the moment comments on this site “jumped the shark” so to speak. This was a very harmless column. It was a bit of fun and showed Mia’s human side. The comments have been very out of proportion with the column. \ I’m really sad that this site has gone from being the very thought-provoking, warm community atmosphere it used to be to one of hostility, judgement and quick frankly, complete nastiness. I know if I were Mia, I just simply would have given up a long time ago. Well done to Mia and the whole team for continuing onwards in the face of such complete ridiculousness as has been seen in these comments.

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    • francesg

      I agree! I wanted to share my own tale of random narkiness to a stranger but am terrified of being attacked by some of the nasty commenters on here. I’m sure Mia and the team have a pretty thick skin by now – you’d need to!

      Keep it up Mamamia team, there are lots of us who like your witty, self-deprecating, honest writing.

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    • Steph

      I second that! Mia must have rhino-thick skin! I certainly couldn’t handle all the criticism. I feel like picking a fight with 80% of the commenters in this column!

      The other day I was taking my dog for a walk and I found myself without a bag to pick up her mess. I usually carry a roll with me, but I was off with the fairies and didn’t realise I was empty handed. As soon as she stopped to do her business, I thought “shit” …literally…and I told myself i’d quickly walk back to the house (we had only made it halfway down the street) to get one. As soon as puppy was finished doing her business I noticed a woman giving me the stink eye as she was about to walk past us and I KNEW she would say something. “You should pick that up” she barked at me. I was ready for it so I quickly shot back, “actually i’m coming back for it”. I completely understand why she said it, and I don’t blame her – I hate it when I see owners not pick up after their dog. I would say most people don’t like being confronted by a total stranger. When you think about other types of confrontation we deal with in our personal lives – whether it be at work or in a relationship, there is usually a series of events that leads to a point of confrontation. Not always, but usually there’s a little bit more thought and emotion invested in the fight. Whereas stranger confrontation is often unexpected and rash. That’s why it turns so ugly. Oftentimes people don’t have all the facts and they just lash out. Plus there are no consequences….the fact that you don’t have to see that person again makes people less accountable for their actions and or words!

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      • Mmm

        That is so funny! What did she say when you said you were coming back for the poo?? :)

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      • Hannahh

        She could have said “do you need a poo bag?” This is the problem, the aggressiveness and nastiness.

        The woman next to Mia on the plane was the same! So righteous and unnecessarily aggressive. All the people on here are bitching at Mia about how she handled it. Well hang on everyone! What about the nasty piece of work sitting next to her?!

        Do you really think that Mia would have responded as she did (which btw I think was restrained) if the woman had of pleasantly said “did you remember to turn off your phone?”.

        Of course not! She would have said, yes thanks for the reminder or something similar.

        But this drama queen, dictator was being a bitch and was out of line. So why is everyone jumping on Mia?! Most other people would have told the older woman to shove it and would have been right to have done so.

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    • Hannahh

      Well said Poppy, finally a voice of reason!

      This site has definitely become very bitching, critical, righteous and judgmental. It’s really sad. People seem to relish attacking people and being so judgmental. Even when people have posted about problems and hard times they’re having – they get criticism! And judgment.

      Something really has to be done about this. Maybe stronger monitoring, because I know quite a few people are quitting MM which is a real shame because it’s a great site and can be a fantastic source of support for all of us.

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  25. Waff

    I find it very amusing how some people will criticise Mia’s response to the situation, calling her “immature” and “rude” when in fact, this happens to all of us. We all face difficult situations and difficult people everyday. Sometimes we don’t want to cause confrontation, however, we do, for whatever reason. A certain emotion we might feel on the spot, a reminder of someone treating us badly, someone picking on us, someone not minding their own business (like in this situation), the list goes on. The point is, we have all responded in a way like Mia has and don’t try and deny this. Even though some people think they are perfect, eventually something will bother you and you will speak out. It’s human nature. Mia was well in her right to respond the way she did and there was nothing wrong with it. She is an adult and does not need to be told when to switch off her phone. If that happened to me, I would find it very insulting and highly annoying!!

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  26. missgalore

    so, i have read some of the comments, and think the level of agression towards Mia is interesting. The defence of the Nana is hysterical. One of the thngs that i have seen in my 20+ years of retail and my 6months of being a mum is that while we are all very busy supposedly respecting our elders, however there are a group of “nana’s” out there that seem to think that once they hit a certain age they have a right to express an opinion on everything anyway they want and that you should accept that with out question as they are of a certain age.
    Some of the worst unjustafied abuse i ever recieved was from the nana’s and i have seen people unjustly disciplined in the workplace simply becasue an “old lady made a complaint” without any investigation.
    When i was heavily pregnant i was abused unmercifully by an older women as i accidently bumped her car as i tried to get my rather awkward shaped body out of the car. (there was no damage) worst still, her 70 year old husband came over and abused and punched my husband over it. My husband is considerably younger and fitter than this man so if he was a hothead and had hit back who would have been in trouble??? it was so bad witnesses gave us their details so we could go to the police so they didn’t try to say we had done anything wrong ie: the poor old man scenario.
    Read Mamamia or don’t, but from a piece i found really funny as i have had to deal with older women like that for so many years, remember that while you may have found Mia’s behaviour inappropriate wait till you have to deal with the nana’s on a daily basis and then re-read this. it does cast a new light on it. The way i see it nana should have minded her own business, But they rarely do.

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    • Cecilia

      I work in retail and I couldn’t agree more. I have seen behaviour from women in their 70′s that would put a Mean Girl to shame. Really aggressive bullying of young sales assistants, who they can easily intimidate. Throwing their weight around, speaking to us with absolute rudeness and contempt, because they can get away with it.

      If we try to stand up for ourselves, we will be told “You have to have patience with these older ladies.” They know that, and take advantage of it. I’m sure some of these women have been nasty people all their lives, being old just gives them free reign to indulge it.

      I know there are some old women who love to go into a store, cause a huge scene, reduce a sales assistant to tears, and walk out feeling on a “high” – a total power trip. I have seen it so many times.

      I’ve seen them walk out with a big smile on their face, after the manager has given them a bag of free cosmetic samples, just to make them go away. Oh yes, it’s a great day out for them.

      Those of you who think older people are all “sweet little old ladies” who should be treated with respect – spend some time behind a counter being abused by them and you will soon see it differently.

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      • Giftwrapped

        I bumped into a lovely old lady and her friend while we were all agonizing about wrapping paper. I explained that I was a teacher and each year I like to cover my chronicle in different coloured wrapping paper and it was a tradition I had at the start of each school year. They were so sweet and had clearly been friends for ages. We talked for a bit and they asked my name. As we were parting ways they say, ‘We will pray for you’. For all the cynics out there, this was a really touching moment, even if I wasn’t religious, I understood the sentiment and the warmth of those ladies. I was so overcome with the sheer kindness of these two ladies that it totally restored my faith in human kind and the grey brigade!!

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      • Margaret

        I actually find young girls in their early 20′s to be so sweet and polite much of the time. When I walk into a shop or office I sub-consciously breath a sigh of relief if I see a girl there younger than me becuase 95% of the time I know we will have a lovely interaction. If they are any older than me I brace myself for the stern face and sharp interaction.

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    • Emma

      This is so true! We are always told to respect our elders but I see so many elderly people who think that just because they’ve hit the age where they’re fudding around in their retirement villages with their canes and motorised scooters that it’s okay to criticise everything the younger generation does, and then has the nerve to say that WE are the bad ones. Double standards!

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  27. Sharon

    I would not even notice if the person sitting next to me on a plane had turned their phone off or not…minding my own business and all that…

    I don’t think Mia was boasting about her behaviour – what I got out of the article is that when you pick a fight with a stranger you can never really be sure how it will turn out.

    Whenever I have been in a situation like this I have reflected on whether the argument was really worth the adrenalin rush I was left with…so I have learned to take a deep breath before reponding (usually) to try and diffuse the argument – sometimes it doesn’t work and I get cranky anyway!

    Some commenters on this article are a bit ‘holier than thou’ and would probably be way too perfect to be friends with my flawed self.

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    • zabie

      It’s not just your own business whether you follow rules designed to protect public safety because it affects everyone. Okay so one person leaving their Iphone on isn’t likely to crash the plane but the rule exists and its purpose is to ensure no interference with the system that keeps the plane flying. I think other passengers are within their rights to ask neighbours to obey it

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      • Sharon

        Huh??…ok :)

        I said that I wouldn’t notice if others do or don’t turn off their phones (because I’m not really much of a sticky-beak) – I always turn MY phone off as directed (I also put on my seat belt when they tell me to) and enjoy reading a book during the flight.

        One thing I don’t understand is: the flight attendants check seat-belts, window shutters, tray tables and if seats are upright – if phones being turned on are dangerous and can cause the plane to crash during take-off, why aren’t they checked?

        I am a rule follower, especially when it comes to rules designed to keep everyone safe, but I’m not one to badger others into following the rules (except my kids, I badger them).

        Also, I probably wouldn’t have reacted like Mia did – but the high and mighty attitude from some commenters here is bizarre.

        …I’m beginning to recognise irony slapping me in the face ;)

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        • zabie

          I didn’t mean to imply that you weren’t a rule follower ! Just you said you wouldn’t notice if the person next to you didn’t switch their phone off, because you’d be “minding your own business”.. I was just pointing out that, I think it’s potentially everyone’s business. Anyway. I agree with your other points.

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          • Sharon

            sorry…it was your use of the words “your” and “you” that made me think it was directed at me :)

            *offering my hand in the spirit of friendship* :)

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      • masd270248

        Zabie, Actually, it is a very unproven situation with phones and aircraft. As Sharon said, if it was really important, our phones would be checked. Though I do use aircraft mode, small price to pay I reckon. Anyway, in aircraft mode, they are de-activated. It is also an urban myth that they will ignite service stations, and I REFUSE to allow myself to be bullied on that issue! So far, there aren’t a lot of servos exploding in my wake!!

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        • Dee

          Hi mas. Just a friendly comment – its not up to the staff at a servo. If they don’t ask you to put your phone away, or turn off the pump if you refuse, they risk their job because they are ignoring the petrol company’s OH&S regulations. Most of the time they don’t want to do it. (I have been in the industry for over 10 years.)

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      • Chris

        If it really was dangerous then a terrorist could just bring a few phones onto a flight and not turn them off. Or just bring one phone that had been modified to emit a stronger signal than a normal phone. Terrorists don’t do that because they know it won’t work.

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  28. Anonymous

    The past week I have been debating whether to delete mia and this site from my twitter feeds-they are relentless, repetitive and boring. I tweeted mia about over kill, no reply. There are similar websites that do not bombard you every 15 minutes to visit.
    This article clinched it, I do not think I will miss anything of substance and reiterate quality over quantity, here and on twitter!

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    • Lana

      Your comments have been off the point, rude and not in keeping with our comment policy. I will continue to delete them even if you post them multiple times in an hour.

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    • Faybian

      I hope you realise the irony of using the words “twitter feeds” and “quality” in the same sentence.
      We managed to survive quite well before twitter you know.

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  29. katehunter

    Websites are like children. It’s okay to love more than one.

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  30. Ms Grumpy

    Do you take or receive calls while sitting in your car on the tarmac of a petrol station too?

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    • katehunter

      Don’t know about Mia, but I would NEVER talk on the phone at the petrol station. Mainly because I use the time to have a ciggie.

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      • Kris2040

        You can only do one or the other I find. Not enough hands for phone AND smoke when you’re pumping petrol with the other one!

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        • Lulu

          Kris, that’s what handsfree is for.

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          • Kris2040

            I only use handsfree when I need to hold my beer.

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            • Eliza

              Haha, Kris, you never fail to make me laugh.

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      • Em

        Heheheh, thank you for giving me that laugh!

        My friend once took a call while pumping petrol (she claims she had no idea it wasn’t allowed) and the attendant shutdown the entire service stations pumps with the push of a button. She was so embarrassed and copped a bit from other motorists hehe!

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      • Ms Grumpy

        Hahahahahahaha……….thanks for the laugh. That was a great response.

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    • masd270248

      Ms Grumpy, Urban myth about service stations and phones, been debunked even on myth busters. Tell em to go to hell!! If I smoked, I’d light up a ciggie as well! Lol!!

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      • sharons

        That’s lovely. Light a flammable item when thousands of liters of petrol is at your feet. I’m a smoker and would never ever smoke near a petrol station

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      • Anonymous

        masd270248, thanks for that, you made me go do some research for myself. It appears I was a little off the mark in my initial post; would seem that talking on a mobile while in a service station isn’t a problem. Damn, I knew I should have watched Myth Busters more often. :-) :-) It goes to show, you just can’t trust journalists and newspapers to get it right. My local service station has a newspaper clipping detailing the case of a petrol pump igniting because of mobile phone use (in Australia), prominently displayed. I’ll let them know it’s just an urban myth and they should probably remove it before some bright spark comes along and thinks it’s so stupid they light up a ciggie in defiance.

        Oh no, hang on, that’d be against the law, which actually requires drivers and passengers to extinguish any cigarette, cigar or pipe before entering the petrol station. And safety guidelines in relation to mobile phones state:

        Mobile phones are potentially hazardous when used at a petrol station. Dropping a mobile phone, or turning a mobile phone on or off may cause a spark, which can ignite petrol vapours. Using a mobile phone while refuelling can cause a lapse in concentration. This could result in over filling your petrol tank that may cause dangerous spills.

        So, mads2702548, if you ever take up smoking you might want to hold off on lighting up in a petrol station. :-) Just saying.

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  31. Lottie

    Why didn’t Mia just turn her phone off? Sorry if this has been answered already.

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    • Kate O'D

      Why should she? It was on flight mode.

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      • eskimojo

        Because the flight attendants tell you to. All electronic devices off during take-off + landing, flight mode inbetween.

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        • RS

          Yes, I thought that too. Put it into flight mode, then switch it off completely for takeoff. Then when you turn it back on, it’s already in flight mode for you to use for the duration of the trip, then completely off again for landing.

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        • Chris

          Do you turn off your watch? A lot of them are electronic devices!

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  32. Anonymous

    Just tonight I actively encouraged my two daughters ( aged 6 & 8) to go over and ask for a ball back. It had been taken by another kid at the pool today (yes we are on holiday at a resort with a pool – 1st world problem, Mia’s favorite) who picked it up, put it in his pocket and ran off with it. My husband and daughters saw him do it. I was furious! We have three kids and they have a ball each, and we have over a week to go on our holiday ie: there will be plenty of fighting over the remaining outnumbered balls. The 6 yo whose ball was taken, didn’t want to confront the kid who was eating with his brother and mother near us. But my 8 yo, who has already pulled some surprises this holiday was adamant they should. I told her to prepare her answer when the kid said he didn’t do it (we saw you take it and want it back) and to my absolute pride and delight they went over to the table and confronted the kid….. He denied it of course, his mother claimed it must have been an accident and if she found it she would take it to reception. My 6 yo was still cringing but I reminded her that she has done nothing wrong, the boy had and that it was important to stand up for yourself when that sort of thing happened. I’m still pissed off about it and will have to wait and see if we get the ball back…….

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  33. MLC

    Can I suggest an open post that stems from this;situations in which strangers have been irrationally rude to you. Having worked in retail for 6 years, I certainly have a ton!

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    • lesh

      http://www.retailhellunderground.com is a great anonymous site where you can post funny/awful customer stories and generally just rant about working in retail without worrying about losing your job over it (if there’s something about using social media in your employment agreement).
      http://www.notalwaysright.com is another really good one for funny/rude customer situations as well :)

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  34. Mmm

    To all the people who think that leaving your mobile phone on during takeoff or landing will cause a crash, don’t you think it’s a bit strange that in the whole history of flying, we have never heard of a plane crashing ‘due to a passenger failing to switch off their electronic device’?

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    • Anon

      Not really. Not many mobile phones or human beings survive to tell the tale of their 11 000 feet plunge to the bottom of the ocean.

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      • Faybian

        Most runways aren’t built over near The ocean. Some runways are next water, but hardly the bottom of the ocean.

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        • Mandy

          I forgot to turn mine off once and it actually rang while we were taking off!! Eveyone is still here to tell the tale.

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      • Laura

        Every plane crash is thoroughly investigated and none of those investigations have found mobile phones to the be the cause of the crash.

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        • flying

          the concern isnt that one person will use their phone, it’s that many will at a critical time that could interfer with the equiptment reading the height of the plane, particulary close to landing. Not sure about you but I am more than happy to have my phone on flight mode so that the pilot doesnt think we’re further/closer awya from the ground than we are. One person’s phone might not make a difference, but theres a chance that 300 people’s phones will

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  35. Katie

    Not sure I agree with how Mia reacted in this situation, or the tone of the article, but I am loving the comments about confrontations!

    I had one just the other day. I was rather sleep deprived as I have a newborn, and ducked down to the chemist to grab a few things, leaving her asleep at home with her dad. As I was driving there he called frantic, as she had woken up and was very cranky/hungry. I unfortunately really needed what I went to the chemist to get so decided to quickly pop in and then rush home. All of that made me slightly foggy, and I blame that for what happened next! I saw a car pull out of a carpark, and indicated and pulled in. As I got out, a guy yelled out “Excuse me!!” and I didn’t take a lot of notice, as I was in a hurry. He yelled it again, and I looked over – he was in his car on the road behind me. I said “Sorry?” and he said “You stole my park!”. I honestly hadn’t seen him, but he must have been indicating on the other side of the road. I am not a carpark stealer, so I was mortified. I said “I’m so sorry, I honestly didn’t see you” to which he said “Well, get back in your fucking car, and move it, you dumb bitch”.

    I sort of stood there with my mouth open for a minute, and then I walked away into the chemist. I expected to come back and find my car keyed or something, but he was gone, thank god.
    I probably would have moved my car had he been polite, but if you speak to me like that, no way!

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    • Miss

      I’m so glad you didn’t move your car for him, how rude!!

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  36. missamoo

    Maybe because i have to be nice to people for a living waiter and dance/singing teacher but i wonder where manners went. I don’t actually mean Mia in this case i want to know where total strangers get off telling you what to do and expect you to smile meekly like a 5 year old. I was once cycling from Elwood to Brunswick and then return to see a friend for dinner, i cycle in street clothes and that often includes heels and dresses. I also ride an old fashioned cruiser with streamers!!!!This one particular evening i was at a traffic light waiting for it to change to green when the MAMIL next to me said something i had my tunes playing in my ears and couldn’t quite hear him so i took my headphones out thinking there was a problem. That day i was wearing my lovely blue wedge boots this guy looked me up and down and as i said “Pardon?” he said derisively “Nice riding shoes!, a little inappropriate love”. He was so condescending and rude and i just wanted to scream and punch him in the face instead i replied with “Oh I’m sorry are we friends?” Then i got on my huff and left!!

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  37. EM

    Is it a full moon? What’s with everyone?

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  38. Chelle

    Oh lighten up all the whingers ;)
    Not often would you get someone in the spotlight like Mia fessing up about a real world incident like this – probably knowing full well the backlash it might receive.
    Mia, I think your writing is honest, witty and funny – i love your sense of humour!
    Just keepin’ it real ;)

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  39. Lyn

    I seem to have a problem with older ladies too, in that I also seem to attract the mean nasty ones, usually when I am with my kids. A couple of times I have refused to back down and have ended up really having a go back in a ‘don’t mess with me and my kids’ kind of way. These have included 1) a women who had parked next to me right up against the white line having a go at me and threatening to call the police for ‘deliberately’ damaging her car while I was trying to buckle a screaming and kicking toddler into the car and touching her car with my door in the process
    2) a women who had perceived I had pushed in front of her in the Medicare queue commenting loudly under her breath to her friend how ‘rude and pushy these mothers with their big prams are’ as my little one cried in the pram.
    Ok in these circumstances I could have chose to A ignore the witches or B fight back in some passive aggressive way (probably the appropriate choice when in a plane! Or C (as I did in these instances – not that I’m proud of it but it sure felt good) come out swinging so to speak. And these were both well dressed middle aged women in middle class suburbs, so they really should have known better. I probably ended up sounding like a fishwife but I blame it on lack of sleep. I’m actually glad I just didn’t stand there and take it.
    2)

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  40. Mia

    Dear Everyone,
    Nothing surprises me anymore. Not even people losing their shit over a seemingly innocuous column about this one time on a plane.
    I don’t really know what to say to those who are “appalled” “disgusted” “disappointed” or those who have ‘resigned’ from Mamamia swearing they will never returned after reading this column.
    I’m a writer. I write about things that happen to me in my life. Ordinary, common, everyday experiences and my take on them.
    For those who perceived some kind of power imbalance in the exchange I had with the lady on the plane, trust me, she was neither vulnerable nor intimidated.
    For whatever reason, she was rude, aggressive and combative. I could have taken the higher road as I almost always do in the face of aggression (LIKE WITH SO MANY OF THE COMMENTS ON THIS POST, SAY) but I didn’t. Not this time. Not on this day.
    For whatever reason, I refused to accept her rudeness and instead, I matched it.
    I accept that she could have been a nervous flier. I know a thing or two about nervous flying. I wrote that manual.
    But she also had a choice – she could have approached me in a different, more polite, courteous and conciliatory way.
    She chose not to. And you know what happened next.
    I never try to paint myself as a saint in my writing. I am always honest about my failings and my inadequacies. For those who find this reprehensible, well, I wish you luck in your perfection.
    I am a real, flawed person and I will never pretend to be anything else.
    My usual approach to strangers? To tell them how beautiful they look, how much I love something they’re wearing or their hair or their child. To compliment them.
    On this occasion, things went in a different way and I thought it was interesting enough to write about. That’s all.

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    • Joey

      Yes, but you seem to be proud of how you acted. This is why we are confused.

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      • Tina

        Oh come ON. Why would you take it so seriously? She’s honest! And I’d be proud to stand up to a bully too.

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        • Anonymous

          Yes but in this case Mia was in the wrong and appeared to be the bully, she is the one bagging this woman out appearance and all to everyone after the heat of the moment, because it would make her a dick to do it to her face but is perfectly fine to do it behind her back. It is understandable getting upset and doing something silly in the heat of the moment but posting this blog then repeatedly defending it is like the bully that then continues to follows the victim down the corridor continuing to insult them then goes around the whole school bad mouthing them.

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          • Alex

            Only in your eyes, lots and lots of others can see the big picture here anonymous, besides who are you to judge, are you always so perfect.

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            • Hannahh

              Absolutely right Alex! Anonymous, you’re way off track.

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          • Guest

            Thanks a bit melodramatic.
            Mia painted herself in an honest human light. Didn’t try to say she was perfect. And unless I read a different article, she barely said anything to the lady, just ignored her most of the time.
            Lighten up.

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      • Blaine

        Joey – where was she proud? I thought she was self-deprecating. Admitted she was immature and everything.
        I think you’re mistaking humour for seriousness.

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      • Hannahh

        Oh please Joey………… We’re “not confused”. Mia handled this horrible situation very well.

        I say well done to her!

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    • Anon

      Mia, I am not one to take my reading elsewhere, I enjoy reading articles on this site. For the most part I get a good giggle or enjoy to have my opinions stimulated, and (on occasion) I do disagree. AND sometimes I even feel that I should pipe up and put in my two cents worth.

      And do you know what? The small feeling of empowerment I get from placing my opinion out there to be counted gives me a boost (I agree some take it too far). So I thank you for sometimes creating a stir. For sometimes making me laugh, and even for sometimes making me shake my head.

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    • Anonymous

      I’m hoping that the post was just a bit of creative writing on your part to make a post and that there was no nana. I hate to think of an old lady being crucified over the Internet simply because she had the misfortune to sit near a journalist who thought that the rules didn’t apply to her.

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      • Victoria

        Because “nanas” can’t stand up for themselves in such a situation? I’m big on respecting one’s elders but what you’ve written sounds a little condescending…

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        • Guest

          **Newsflash**

          60 is NOT old or elderly! Shit. I know a lot of 60-ish women and they are neither elderly nor grey haired. And come to think of it I know quite a few women in their early 40′s who are Nannas ..in the true sense of the word..they have grandchildren.

          Terrible stereotyping going on here.
          I doubt anyone would call Quentin Bryce (70) or Gail Kelly (56) a silver-haired Nanna.

          I’m guessing the story has been embellished somewhat for creative effect as it’s hard to believe that people around them wouldn’t have witnessed an altercation..and now it’s been in syndicated papers across Australia ..well I’m sure we would have heard more.

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        • Anonymous

          Because “nanas” can’t stand up for themselves in such a situation?

          After a journalist has crucified them on an Internet blog? Maybe they can’t stand up for themselves because they don’t own an Internet Blog like mamamia where they can tell their side of the story.

          This one sided story is very unfair to the poor woman and is just another example of mamamia fueled witch hunts, luckily this time most readers aren’t buying into it

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          • Miss

            Geez, Mia didn’t write the column and staple it to the woman’s face! ‘Crucified’? Come on.

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          • Hannahh

            She wasn’t identified! So how on earth could she be “crucified”?! And how could the story be one sided or a (far out!) “mamamia fueled witch hunt” seeing as she was not identified.

            I recommend that Mia, in future, write nothing about anything that has happened to her. Then you will all have nothing to bitch about!

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    • sharons

      Mia if it makes you feel better, I think you are absolutely amazing! I have disagreed with you at times before but not in this instance and never enough to stop visiting a website I love. You are clever, honest and have your head screwed on the right way.

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    • Justin

      I’m not sure why people would fire up – you were just in the wrong. You ARE meant to turn your phone all the way off. If you had’ve done this in the first place maybe there wouldn’t have been a fight. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

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      • Hannahh

        Justin, you are so missing the point. The issue is the older womans aggressiveness, dramatic behaviour and unnecessary viciousness. Not about whether a phone was turned on or off.

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    • anon

      Mia,

      I think you’ve lost your ability to engage your readers on a equal level anymore.

      Your dealings with the MM community reads more like ‘my say is the final say’. The tone is very cut and dry.

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      • Waitress

        The topics of the recent articles spark good discussions, but the content is not great. I get the feeling the Sunday articles are dashed off with little thought or at the last minute, whereas they never used to be like that. They keep ending up requiring revision, explaining etc. Like Mia has lost interest in the actual writing and is more keen on site management? Or stretched too thin?

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        • H

          Perhaps that’s because they are for the tabloid News Ltd audience now rather than Fairfax :-|

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      • Becca

        With all due respect, Anon, the site is called Mama MIA. If Mia wants to get her chat on and tell the world her story or defend herself in the responses to her articles, then she can and bloody well should.

        Mia, keep it coming. Love it.

        Righto, back in my box.

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    • Wm

      Mia,
      You are an amazing lady,keep being human

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    • rainbow

      “My usual approach to strangers? To tell them how beautiful they look, how much I love something they’re wearing or their hair or their child. To compliment them.”

      I am exactly the same. My theory is that when you are treated so rudely by a stranger, when you are so used to only having positive interactions with them, you drop your bundle and a couple of rude words in the process.

      it really rattles me when someone speaks really rudely to me, that i end up behaving REALLY badly. like i said in my previous comments, i have always been kind and considerate in my dealings with strangers. I have literally saved a life in one incident. i live in a pretty rosy world. but i just lose it when i am treated badly and unfairly. luckily it happens maybe once a year.

      so maybe all those people who are appalled and disgusted just don’t understand because they don’t put such an effort into being kind and considerate. it is very black and white for us, but maybe for them it is shades of grey (not the book).

      running away now…

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    • Steffie

      You tell them Mia! This piece was a light hearted read that had me interested in the everyday interactions with strangers and the comments on this article have made me giggle with many people experiencing similar interactions with strangers that you experienced. I think its an interesting light hearted piece and I enjoyed reading it and I enjoyed reading the comments too, there are some funny stories in the comments of funny interactions with strangers! I want more article like this lol ‘everyone is human’ type articles are my fav! Some commentors are just cruely disecting every inch of the article and reading in to it a bit too much. Thanks for the interesting read! xoxo

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    • Sue

      Mia the problem is you admit above – ‘ I refused to accept her rudeness and instead, I matched it.’

      Two wrongs don’t make a right.

      You acted poorly and your readers have been disappointed in the article which showed no sign of remorse or embarrassment.

      You are successful and a very good businesswoman, but your inability to show humility or apologise when you are in the wrong is grating.

      Listen to your readers, they make this site what it is. And maybe switch your phone off next time! :)

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      • Hannahh

        Mia, “acted poorly and your readers have been disappointed in the article”.

        Not me! And not many many others. I think Mia handled this woman with considerable restraint.

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    • Kate O'D

      Good on you Mia. I think the haters are forgetting that we are all human and we don’t always act in a saintly manner. Sometimes there’s days where you can turn the other cheek and ignore and there’s others when you’ve just gotta give people a bit back.

      I standby your response and even had a giggle. I reckon I would’ve done EXACTLY the same thing.

      *high fives*

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    • zabie

      Not everyone who disagreed with or disapproved of your actions was “disgusted”, “appalled” etc or said they would never read your column again..plenty were respectful, measured and reasonable in their point of view, basically just saying that in your shoes they hope they’d behave differently. You seem to lump everyone who disagreed with you into the extreme category.

      And fair enough that you say you try to be honest in your writing and present yourself as human, warts and all. But the tone of the piece to me strongly suggested that you felt you were basically in the right in this situation – that sure, you could have been a bit more mature about it, but she was the horrible person in this situation, and good on you for sticking it to her – well, lots of commenters have respectfully disagreed with you on this point, and your response hasn’t engaged with them at all.

      In particular, you seem to think your response deserves credit in that at least you didn’t ‘accept her rudeness’ and do nothing. Do you accept, though, that there was a third alternative? Being assertive without passive-aggressively continuing to rile the lady throughout the flight?

      By pointing this out, I and others aren’t necessarily claiming to be perfect ourselves or saying that we definitely would have taken this course had we found ourselves in the situation – but it’s interesting and useful, I think, to debate what would have been the ideal response so that next time you or any of us find ourselves in a similar situation we can hopefully emulate it. Is there a point in discussing all of this otherwise?

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    • Em

      Mia, I read this article on the weekend in the paper and hadn’t clicked on it online until now when I saw the huge mount of comments, and quite frankly I am a little shocked!

      Can I just say, I giggled my head off when I read the article on the weekend. Secretly turning my phone off so she couldn’t see was EXACTLY what I would have done! Too funny.

      xx

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    • Catherine

      I’m an aspiring writer and blogger, and I heart Mia Freedman.

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    • Sam

      Good for you Mia. As another flawed person I will continue to read.

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    • Anonymous

      It seems like Mia often has to write these ‘explanation’ posts for the benefit of her readership. The readers must be reading the articles incorrectly and misinterpreting them.

      It really feels like little proof-reading happens on this site. I’m not just referring to spelling errors, but more to reading through the opinion columns to make sure they convey the meaning that is intended. How many times can you chastise the readers, the people who supply your income, for not reading well enough?

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    • Amandarose

      iAmandaroseI am one of the people who didn’t really like the vibe of the column but I still like your site and agree with many many things you write. sorry if I contributed to the mass of crankiness.

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  41. Anon

    I actually have a bit of respect for this ‘nanna’. For despite the fact she may have felt awkward about it, she was brave enough to challenge someone despite their seeming condescension. And for what reason? I would imagine that she, like the greater majority, were more concerned with the slight chance of jeopardising the safety of a plane full of people. She may well have known it is a slight and possibly theoretical chance, but still she braved being treated scathingly for her opinion.

    Sorry, but I don’t have people that I am that desperate to talk to or text if there is an infinitesimal chance I could hurt a single person.

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  42. Merchi

    Do you know Mia, by your own admission you can’t even be looked sideways at at certain times, did you not think that this fellow passenger, who didn’t even bother to acknowledge you, might have been terrified of flying, might have been flying to visit a sick parent etc. etc.? No, it was all about you… do you honestly think that your readers would think you were clever to pretend that you still had your mobile on? You have lost me. For good. Did I think you were justified? Not for one second!

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    • sharons

      So if that lady is scared, why take it out on Mia. Its not Mia’s fault. If she had a sick parent, again, it doesn’t gve her the right to be rude. I can’t stand when people use their misfortune as an excuse to talk to/treat people how they want.

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  43. Unsolicited Feedback

    I think you guys might want to consider the term ‘Quality over Quantity’ when it comes to posts on this site.

    I get there are daily quotas to meet and i get that there needs to be a mix of fluff and serious stuff – but some of the posts being churned out this year have lead to me tuning off :( And i really WANT to want to come back.

    Just some feedback :)

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    • Joey

      I agree – quality over quantity please!

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    • Gwen

      Here’s some more feedback: I love the diversity of the posts on here. I love that sometimes I can read a story about parenting other times I can have a laugh or look at some stylish women.
      Different strokes for different folks.
      Everyone’s in a bad mood today. Keep up the hard work MM team!

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      • Joey

        I do like the diversity too – it is just that sometimes I feel that the quality is lacking.

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  44. @DameAlana

    On my flight from Sydney to LA a few months ago, there was a man across from me that wouldn’t turn his phone off.

    I’m terrified of flying & there is obviously a safety reason as to why phones need to be OFF. This man did not help my anxiety by being so rude & not turning his phone off.

    All rules on planes should be followed
    because they are for safety- they are not there to inconvenience travellers.

    I totally empathize with the “older” woman here.

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  45. Catherine

    When I was 18, I’d been looking for a job for several months. A local cafe was advertising for a barista and although I’d never officially been labelled a “barista”, I had a lot of experience making coffee. I took my resume in and the owner asked me if I was experienced with coffee. I said yes. He asked me about it, so I started talking about the different places I’d worked over three years or so, and he stopped me. Obviously he didn’t think my experience was ENOUGH for what he was looking for, which is fair enough, but he pushed my resume back across the counter and said, “I don’t call that experience. I call that lying. You lied to me. You’re not going to work here.”

    I walked out and burst into tears. I still regret not sticking up for myself. He obviously wasn’t going to hire me anyway!

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    • Lottie

      I think you dodged a bullet there Catherine. Working there would have been hideous. At least he saved you from that! :)

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  46. ClaireC

    I thought the article was funny, I’m perplexed at why so many people are up in arms about it. Some posters have commented that the older woman might have been having a bad day, thereby justifying her behaviour. Well, so might Mia. We are not all mature, thoughtful people all the time, no-one died in this story, Mia had her phone on flight mode and admitted that she had acted a tad immaturely by pretending to not turn her phone off. Get off your high horses everyone.

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    • Anonymous

      I don’t consider myself usually easily made úp in arms’ but I don’t get all these people who say the article was funny, it actually came across a little bit nasty and vindictive.Neither woman behaved well but only one continued to tell her side of the story to a national audience in a manner that didn’t come across as at all repentant but more of a continued bitch session really. Personally I think it was a but unnecessary, sure winge to your friends and husband but this is not really the forum.

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  47. Skye

    I find that women “of a certain age” tend to be the rudest people I come across in public. Most recently, I was waiting in line to buy a few things on sale at a clothing store and my two young daughters were in the trolley. They were a bit tired and whingey but I wanted to persist with the purchase. As we were waiting, an older woman just casually walked up and stood in front of me with her purchase. So I said “excuse me, there’s a line here”. And her response? “I’ve only got one thing and my friend’s waiting”. So I fire back, “and I’ve only got two kids and been lining up patiently! How rude!” And she continued to stand there anyway, so on I ranted. The stupid mole, it didn’t work anyway as the kind person behind the counter just said to her “I believe that lady was in line first” pointing to me. When did it become ok to treat other people that way???!

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  48. Joey

    Mia, this post makes you look immature and rude.
    I know you are trying to share a personal experience, maybe show that the ‘real’ Mia isn’t perfect.
    But I can’t understand why you chose to write about this. I don’t care how rude the other lady was, you were in the wrong in the first place, and then you baited her. You don’t seem to have thought it through (which is what writing is usually for isn’t it? Learning to undertand the world better? Learning from your mistakes?

    No, you still seem to think you were in the right.

    “Silver-hair … kept hissing at me…I ignored her, occasionally turning my head in her direction to roll my eyes and gape at her fury.”

    It really doesn’t seem like you. I hope this was an April Fools joke or that your site had been hacked from one of those AVN nutters.

    It just seems really childish and obnoxious.

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  49. Lily.

    This is slightly off topic but if you had been sitting next to me I would have wanted to make sure your phone was off too. I hear it all the time, “doesn’t make a difference if your phone is on or not,” “no plane has ever crashed because of a phone” and I always say the same thing “How do you know that?”

    It infuriates me when I see people playing with their phones during takeoff and landing. Because I’ll tell you something for nothing, I’m not dying in a plane crash because you couldn’t stop playing angry birds for ten god damn minutes.

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  50. S

    I have to say that it sounds like that woman may have had a fear of flying. I have a fear of flying and so am the same with my husband when we fly together. I bug him to make sure he has switched off his phone, as I don’t want his carelessness to cause the plane to crash. I know it sounds over-dramatic, but that’s how I feel at the time. And if I thought the stranger sitting next to me didn’t bother putting their phone off, I may or may not say something depending on my mood, but it would sure piss me off. They could be risking my life, don’t you know? lol

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