by LAURA DAWSON
This morning, I walked into a room stuffed with endless rows of chairs all full of people waiting impatiently. They looked like they’d been waiting for hours. Most were staring at a small TV screen that was showing the news in French (how convenient).
Most hadn’t bothered to brush their hair and may still have been wearing their pajamas. Some had actually resorted to chewing on their hair to pass the time. Where was I? Centrelink. I had an appointment there this morning because, like a growing number of people, I am unemployed.
There is undoubtedly a stigma associated with being unemployed. Not having a job must mean you’re lazy or unsuccessful or incompetent. I felt it when I walked into Centrelink and I deal with it in my harsh self-judgment on a daily basis.
It’s a difficult thing to admit, as strange as that might seem. I don’t set out to go somewhere at 8am every morning to put in a hard day’s work and return home late at night. I don’t have stories to tell about how this client was impressed/unimpressed/had their fly down when colleague x and I gave the presentation we’d been preparing for weeks. There is no such presentation, no destination and no colleague x (though if there were I am sure they would have bought the first round at the celebratory pub drinks, they’re just that kind of person).
I make excuses, like “Oh I’ve only really been unemployed for a month, that’s really just an extended holiday.” Or, “Being unemployed is allowing me to better understand and empathise with what so many people throughout the world are going through.” While both of these excuses might have a tiny element of truth, the reality is that at the moment, no company wants to hire me, and that rejection just plain sucks.
As a madly driven, extremely motivated perfectionist, I am hoping that this streak of joblessness doesn’t last very long. If it were an Olympic sport it should be the 100 meter sprint. But my determined attitude doesn’t fit in with media representations of the unemployed.
The most recent articles attacking Centrelink for long wait times reflect this negative stigma attached to joblessness. These articles call people on welfare payments “desperate”, portraying us as people too much in need of money to have virtues such as patience and appreciation. It’s sad to see that the overwhelming attitude here is one of entitlement, rather than gratitude. I don’t like to wait any more than that obnoxious guy tapping his foot and sighing pointedly, telling anyone who will ask how precious his time is. But I for one think we’re better than that.
Centrelink is a fantastic service that should be celebrated. Besides many other achievements, it gives jobless people like myself the monetary support we need to get by. Without it, would we be able to buy enough food? Connect to the lifeline that is the internet? Afford the bus fare to attend a job interview? All these things take money, which is difficult to come by without an income. One of the first lessons we’re taught is to say please and thank you, why should this situation be exempt from such manners? The next step is up to us.
To anyone who’s unemployed, shake off that stigma! Being unemployed says nothing more than that you currently don’t have a job, which might suck. But nowhere does it say you are lazy, incompetent, or unsuccessful. Gracious or entitled, what you are is up to you.
I’d like to say a big thank you to the staff at Centrelink for giving us all a helping hand.
Time to get back to those applications…
Laura has recently returned to Australia after building a career in France. She is thrilled to be back in the land down under and is happily spending her time writing, rediscovering Sydney and eating vegemite.
Have you or someone close to you, ever been unemployed? Do you assume that unemployed people are ‘lazy or unsuccessful or incompetent’? Did Laura’s story change your view?







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Hello Laura. that was some time ago now. Hope you have a job.
In the unhappy circumstance that you don’t, could you write some more.
Do you think it may be possible for clever young (and old) people, temporarily unemployed, to get together and start thinking laterally about this problem.
May need to start a ‘group’, grass roots organisation of unemployed people.
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I care for two children who have mental illnesses and I put in an application for carers allowance at the start of April. It has still not been processed and when I called they told me there were thousands of people in front of me. Luckily for me my youngest son has funding to access services but if he didn’t he would be falling further behind because I couldn’t fund all the services he needs.
While at times Centrelink staff have been wonderful at the the moment they are letting down the carers who need this money to access services for the people they are caring for. There are people who would be applying for a carers pension which could leave them unable to work. How are they supposed to get by for the 12+ weeks they have no money coming in?
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I understand your frustrations! Hopefully you will find something soon and luckily its only been a month so far!
I haven’t worked in 3.5 years which is a looong time. I worked almost consistently from when I was 14 till 19 and stopped just before starting uni to focus on that..planning to get a part time job once I’d settled in. I’ve always had anxiety/depression issues and unfortunately was sexually assaulted just before I started uni which really exasperated my mental illness and since then I have struggled just trying to get through uni. I have taken semesters off when it has been all too much and then studied part time when I am stronger. All the way I have been on Youth Allowance or Unemployment benefits and spent wayy too much time in Centrelink! I really hate that I have to rely on social support and feel so ashamed visiting Centrelink but I would certainly prefer to be well and working rather than suffering from a severe mental illness and struggling to get out of bed! My mum says she couldn’t imagine not working and would find it very depressing and it can be with a lack of social contact and purpose. Going to uni when I’ve been better helps but is not the same as earning your own money and the connection you get at work.
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I think the stigma of reaching out to Centrelink’s employment services is definitely there. I’ve never felt comfortable relying on a service if I am able to make ends meet myself. I’ve always been employed but the last year has changed my circumstances completely. Currently I am job searching. I have great skills and experiences that are transferable to almost any job but am finding jobseeking a bit disheartening. My contract with a fantastic organisation ended in June. Prior to April I was already applying for positions suited to my qualification and experience. By late June, after no responses, I resorted to applying for manufacturing and menial jobs (even promotional pamphlet person) but to no avail. With a double degree in social science and more than 6 years in social work experience, I could not find work. I even applied for kitchen hand work but got silence. My pregnancy doesn’t help, as I am currently 4 months pregnant and from an employer’s point of view, I understand their reasoning. If I am to sit back and do nothing, I fear my skills, experience (and just brain function!) gets rusty once the baby comes. I’ve reached a sort of dead end, knowing that by November in 3 months time I will not work anymore.
I actually applied to Centrelink (I didn’t want the money, I didn’t want to have to go through 10 thick forms) I just wanted them to give me a jobseeker number so I can get access to employment agencies. Man oh man, my first interview was like going through the alphabet and being spoken to like a 5-year old. I was shown how to go on the internet and look up jobs through seek.com.. that was the last session I had, i quit Centrelink and resorted to just doing it on my own now.
Currently keeping my mind active through volunteering work. If you’re unemployed, go find something to do in the meantime. Don’t just sit back and take the money every fortnight, make a conscious decision to build on your skills and experience. Nothing irrates me more than an able body person who chooses to be unemployed, i make this in reference to an actual friend who chose not to work from the age of 18-24 as he didn’t want to waste his youth working 5 days a week. Now, that’s someone who doesn’t deserve the employment assistance money.
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I know exactly how you feel – I am up to 50+ applications and next to no responses. The one interview I got I was too ‘overqualified’ for. The entire process is completely demoralising. I have a good degree, and plenty of experience in Australia and overseas. I was speaking to a careers counselor the other day and she said that a lot of places advertise for jobs that have already been filled internally just to comply with company policy.
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Try being over qualified for entry level positions but not qualified for anything else without experience? I have done 87 applications in 2 months and thats the general response I get
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I’d address that concern head-on. Add something like ‘I realise that I may seem over-qualified but still believe there is much I could learn from this position. Salary is not a key motivation at this time.’ That got my an interview at least (although not the job in the end) – address anything like that that you think might concern them in your cover letter so you can try and get a toe in the door!
Best of luck xx
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Hey you are lucky that they even respond!
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Is this author serious about the stigma attached to being unemployed when her first comments about the people waiting at Centrelink commented on them still in their PJ’s with messy hair that was being chewed?? Sounds like she has an issue with being labelled like those types…
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My advice to you? Work ANYWHERE. Maid service, waitressing…all the jobs that most people do not want to do. I have had a few periods of unemployment, all after I have either moved or after graduation from university. But I was never unemployed for more than a day. My own list of jobs that I did not train for include maid, waitress, buser, and store clerk.
There are many jobs that are very easy to get (except in the case of an extreme recession, hopefully this is not the case in your city….and if you can afford to not work for awhile, volunteering has a similar benefit). There is nothing to be ashamed of when doing unglamourous work. Or work that does not resemble your aspirations at all, at least temporarily. I have always thought of my ‘temporary’ jobs as good life experience. You meet nice people, and often your skillset is improved: customer service experience is always great, no matter where it came from. You also get practice in interviews. Have fun at the ‘temp’ job….sometimes I found my short-term jobs to be more fun, because I knew advancement in my career didn’t depend on on it.
It is hogwash to think that any job is not credible on a resume. Employers like to see a good work ethic, and a gaping period of unemployment does not look good. Most people are able to get a job, it’s just a matter of sticking it out at one that may not be your very favorite for awhile.
Also…by always being employed, I felt more confident when I finally did get the call for my dream job. I wasn’t spending time twiddling my thumbs, worrying by the phone all day for interview calls. And I wasn’t strapped for cash so therefore did not sound desperate to employers.
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I was recently unemployed for 6 months. I certainly didn’t think I was ‘too good’ to go back to waitressing or office temping, but it gets you absolutely nowhere in terms of the kind of work you hope to build into a career. Maybe people don’t have a god given right to their dream job but when you work hard to be good at something and build a good professional reputation, you don’t want to do something that means nothing to you just to pay the bills. I burned thought my savings while really applying myself to job seeking, as well as part time volunteering. If I hadn’t gotten a job before I ran out of savings, I certainly would have gone on centre link. Not having a job is really miserable and undermining, and also, to be honest, as much bad luck as anything else. I am qualified for and passionate about my current job, but I also had the good luck to be volunteering at an organization dear to my now-boss’s heart. What I’m saying is, don’t assume that people in work are good and people out of work are bad, because there’s more to it than that.
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Rebecca, please see my comment above. I feel for you, but it’s all about attitude!!
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“don’t assume that people in work are good and people out of work are bad, because there’s more to it than that”
If you would rather go on Centrelink than waitress then I will think you are bad. You can waitress and pay your own bills and still look for solid professional work. I am a highly educated professional and when considering a new career direction I happily went back to waitressing while figuring things out. How can you say you don’t want to do a job that means nothing to you but you would be fine with taking Centrelink?
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Because when you’re working, you don’t have time to devote yourself to job-seeking. I spent 5 years in hospitality, and a year temping in office work. It fills your time, and tires you out – it’s work! If you need to spend time searching for work and writing applications, then you need to take the time to do that properly. We are lucky enough to be part of a system in which the option exists to take unemployment benefits while we look for work. When I’m working, I don’t resent others taking the dole, so why wouldn’t I take it myself if I needed it?
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The dole is the a very low amount of money. Far less than the equivalent of full time work at the minimum wage. To earn what the dole would pay you you would work about 25 hours week, if that. If you cannot manage that and looking for a job at the same time I would wonder at your abilities. There is no excuse to be taking the dole when you could be working a casual menial job.
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While that may be applicable to some it is not to everyone so I would not generlize and apply this to everyone who is on benefits, e.g. older people past a certain age who might not keep up physically or who have bad English may not handle the pressure of a waitressing. Same goes if they have medical issues or other life circumstances (e.g when I was unemplyed I could not pick up waitressing because every place I went to wanted more hours than I could devote – I was studying and completing a very difficult uni postgrad degree). After being unemployed and and having family members in the same boat I now know that every circumstance is different and the majority of people should not have to deal with the bad press of the minority.
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I have to agree with Guest.
And further, sometimes I feel this notion of finding the ‘ideal’ job as ludacrous as believing one can find the perfect spouse or have a fairytale wedding. Even if you love what you do, there is probably annoying aspects to the job like few benefits or weird coworkers. Take things in stride. Why must people get caught up in ideals? A job is a job, it’s as simple as that. Get one, then move on to a ‘better’ one when you can. Easy.
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Lucky if you can get a waitress job. Restaurants have fewer patrons and you can’t just walk in and ask for one. You have to have the skills, the certificates and the references. Employers don’t give you a second glance if you can’t offer that
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‘Employers don’t like huge gaps in a resume’…. So what do stay at home parents do when they try and re-enter the workforce. I have a huge gap of about 15yrs, 11 of those was staying home with children, being on carers payment due to their disabilities. Since the children went to reside with their father, I’ve been trying to get any work going, and studying full time (mix of on/off campus) yet still can’t get work. Prior to children I was an executive secretary, but can’t even get an interview because I’m over-experienced/qualified. So I re-trained in aged care/disability. I have the papers to say I can do the work, but no experience, so can’t seem to get work in that field either.
Not even McDonalds (who apparently will hire anyone) will give me a go… too much managerial experience for their liking.
And people wonder why the unemployed end up with a negative attitude and just plain give up? Could have alot to do with how prospective employers treat them.
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When I was travelling in India in 2007 I worked for a short period of time for an NGO for people with disabilities. The clients of this service were absolutely bowled over by the fact that Australia has a disability pension and the money seemed like a fortune to them. In India, you routinely see people who are unemployed and people with medical conditions begging on the streets with no food, no house, no medical care and no other way of earning income. I have heard that in the US, their unemployment payment cuts out after 13 weeks if you do not get a job (not sure if this is actually true or not).
Our welfare system is far from perfect and, of course, it is exceptionally difficult to make ends meet on the disability support pension and on newstart or other payments. But at the same time, we are relatively lucky compared to many other countries. Everyone bashes Centrelink – and yes, it often is a frustrating system – but we are lucky to have it.
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We are lucky to have Centrelink – I relied on Youth Allowance for part of the time while I was at uni full-time and I wouldn’t have made it through exam weeks without it.
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The Disability pension when combined with rent assitance ends up being about $500 per WEEK! my neighbour is entirely capable of working AT LEAST part time but says she doesnt want to lose her pension, She has never actually worked and just raised kids, she said she annoyed centrelink so much and fought them so much that they just decided she was unfit for employment and put her on a disabilitypayment. she thinks its hilarious and sitll things the government owes her! I heard her on the phone the other day asking for a reduced rate for her phone bill because shes on a pension and cant spare $5.
Well students get literally half the amount she does from youth allowance, plus, you know have to study full time. I pay the same bills as her, in fact higher cos i dont get pensioner discounts. I am nothing but GRATEFUL for the fact that I have the opportunity to study. I cant go out cos 65% of my payment goes straight to rent, and the rest covers bills, food and transport, but at least I have a roof over my head!
P.S. I have crippling anxiety and am incapable of working. You have to be out of work/study for two whole years in order to qualify for a disability pension. Ive got integrity and am not willing to do nothing for two years just to get more money from the government. Jobseeker is also higher than student payment.
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Being unemployed is definitely not fun. I had a stint last year for a while, but found that a few things were super important to finding employment. A good resume is crucial. Concise, relevant and with no spelling mistakes! Another thing is that if you are approaching recruitment companies, make sure you know exactly how to market yourself. Recruitment agencies like you to fit in a box so they can determine which jobs to put you up for easily. And the big one for me was that of all employment found by jobseekers, most are unadvertised. Email your resume or drop it in personally to as many places as possible. The two opportunities that came my way were both unadvertised. One was a Kindergarten teacher position, and one was writing resumes and selection criteria professionally for copywriting business.
Also, a bit of shameless self promotion – I am hoping to continue doing resumes on the side whilst I am teaching, so if any unemployed people are interested in having professional resumes done, please check out my facebook page – http://www.facebook.com/SkyHighProfessionalWriting#!/SkyHighProfessionalWriting
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working at centrelink you do come across such a range of people. There are some people that do seem to be in the welfare cycle but there are so many genuine jobseekers out there. It is so upsetting to answer the phone with someone enquiring about payments only to tell them they may not be eligible. eg if their partner earns too much, they got too much of a redunancy payment, they have to many assets or investments. Despite some people paying their taxes for many many years they are not always going to be eligible. It is also heartbreaking wehn people ring when they are already down to their very last dollar (claims do take a couple of weeks to process) Often when you tell people how much the actual payments are. Many people this wont even cover mortgage or rent, let alone all the other necessitiies and job hunting expenses and you just hear thier hearts dropping again. The staff have a lot of legistlation they have to follow so any decision made or information given is not the staffs doing they are simply implementing and communicatiing the legislation as written by the government. After working there, it has really made me consider my position. I make sure I have always got a months salar in my bank account and minimal personal debt in case I ever find myself without a job.
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So many advertised jobs require you to pretty much know how to do it before you start. What happened to training? Not many of us are such computer experts that we remember how to do something that we did once in a training course, but we know we can do it, if someone would remind us how.
I’ve also been told that public servants & bank employees have no transferable skills. None at all apparently.
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There is a really bad stigma attached to the unemployed. They are all tarred with the same brush, when each one of their situations is different. I’m a Psychology student, and I’m also unemployed, because no one wants to employ a 21-year-old, who has to juggle university with work, and has no qualifications. Yet.
And I find it incredible how many retail and hospitality positions demand “experience”, which basically curtails the two industries that students can practically work in, while studying. It’s stupid, and employers need to rethink their strategies for recruiting staff.
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Retwil and hospitality are shockers for that.mining another. Always crying out for workers, but they want experience or foreign workers. Go figure.
I only worked casually during uni. I had kids in the mix too, so just stayed on benefits until I got a job as a graduate.
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Frankie, I’m 24yrs old and studied psychology in uni. After finishing honours last year, it has only been more struggling to secure a job. I did manage to secure a 2 year psychology internship at a private practice but it is full-time and unpaid. Centrelink do not give payments to people in my predicament because we are technically jobseekers or students. We fall through the system and are left struggling with nothing. The only option for me was to find a retail job on the weekends to cover the cost of petrol and other living expenses.
I don’t really understand why the Gov is not doing anything to address this problem? There are not enough psychologists in the workforce because there is no system in place to transition them from full-time students into fully registered psychologists. The post-doc route has very limited positions so most people are left on their own after graduation. It was difficult enough for me to even secure my internship and I am lucky enough to be able to live at home. What happens to the people who need to pay rent on top of other living expenses? I assume they either get a big loan or are forced to go a different career route, which is just such a waste of talent/time/money for everyone.
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sorry it’s ‘technically NOT jobseekers or students’
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L I feel you should be really concerned at what kind of practice expects you to work for 2 years, unpaid.
You sound like a very intelligent and qualified person, and that sounds totally and utterly unethical to me. I have heard of this happening in law internships, and it is becoming very frowned upon.
You are adding value to their business, even if that is by doing work that an admin assistant could do, e.g photocopying (after all they are paid about $20 p.h) or by receiving on the job training that they will use in two years’ time.
If you were to be paid $20 an hour, which is a reasonably low wage for someone with your qualifications, you are giving that business $82,000 in your two years. Is that really fair?
Especially given you may be in the position to do this, but a lot of people aren’t, as you have pointed out. What if you had kids to support, or no family to move in with? You would NEED a paid grad position. And unfortunately with people willing to accept unpaid internships, what incentive do companies have to offer paid ones?
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Frankie, I studied psychology, including honours and two years of supervised practise. I could not get a job. I ended up working in a jewellery store for four years because noone would hire me. Graduating does not guarantee a job. As a result, I am back at uni studying masters in marketing in the hopes that someone, anyone, will give me a job outside of my “uni” retail job. And what gets me down, constantly, is that I cant imagine who will give someone a marketing job that is 25 with no related work experience. My grades are amazing and still I didnt even get past first round graduate programs and because I have no experience I cant even get a voluntary internship!
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“Okay Australia, sort out your own mental health problems!” Something needs to change if you psych grads are being forced into these situations. Two years of full time work for nothing is total BS. It’s downright disgraceful.
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Gemack, thanks for your response. I wish I could say that I had another option but I’m afraid this is the road every psychology major has to go down.
Option A: post grad (very limited and more debt)
Option B: unpaid 2 yr internship. AHPRA, the board that regulates registration of health practitioners have strict guidelines about how many hrs of experience you have to do under a supervisor before you can become a registered psychogist. In this sense, I will be getting training from my internship in exchange of working full time for free.
Option C: you can find psych related jobs such as in mental health or rehabilitation occupation to include as your supervised hrs, however AHPRA will most likely only include half of them as ‘psychology related work’. Therefore it may take you 4yrs instead of 2yrs to accrue the number of hrs you need in order to become a fully registered psychologist.
Ideally it would be fantastic if everyone got the opportunity to go into further post-grad studies as I think it offers both practical and theoretical training, but there is just not enough money in the system for that to be possible.
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I recently lost my job in an industry that is so small and tight-knit, that until the person who took a dislike to my work is out of the picture, I will not be able to return. Having that industry closed-off for me, without warning, and without real fault, is about as demoralising as it can get.
Money’s not tight yet, and I am actively looking in other industries, but without applicable experience it is so, so hard, and going into retail or waitering feels like an additional punishment, on top of the one I didn’t deserve.
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I was made redundant from my job of 3 years in the first week of April this year. Luckily I received a payout – but that was nearly gone (I caught up on a lot of bills and got ahead on a few repayments, then just used it to survive) by the time I FINALLY got my first interview SIX WEEKS later.
My résumé was completely ignored by every single employer until then – the only response I’d gotten was from a recruitment agent (who obviously just wanted to add another client to his books).
I finally got my foot in the door and was rewarded with a job offer on the spot during the interview.
I know now that I’m lucky to have not gotten any other calls for interviews or job offers because I’m extremely happy working for that company – but it was demoralising, demotivating and all of the other de-words not getting a response from any of those other applications.
It filled me with doubt and fear.
Good luck to those in the unfortunate position of being unwillingly unemployed – I hope you find the right role for you soon
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Good on you for persisting.
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Thank you, but there really was no other choice…
Good luck with your Lotto numbers – is that what they are?
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Wow, you weren’t kidding – I replied using your name and my comment disappeared!!
Have you tried signing up to Mamamia so that you can log in as you? Your name must be on the blocked list!
It was you who gave the simplified but technically correct explanation for the God Particle discovery the other week, weren’t you? Thank you again.
Good luck with the Mamamia glitch!
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Yeah, I had a conversation with “Another Anon Guy” about double standards and hypocrisy on the sexual harassment post today.
I’m not sure what’s happened to you but pretty certain it’s a glitch, and that you should contact the team about it – especially after they published your Bosun info.
Blocking is done by IP addresses – not names.
I had someone constantly attacking me recently (he/she would bombard me with the same tired insults, under a range of names over a period of weeks) and they have now blocked all IP addresses he/she posted from.
They wouldn’t just block a name as harmless as yours. It’s a glitch in the Matrix.
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I’m a very highly-paid professional who was recently made redundant when our office suddenly closed. I was thankfully only out of work for a month. But it was the first time in my adult like that I didn’t have a job. During that time I worried about what might happen and if I’d get another job, despite being financially secure and having great skills. I was also embarrassed. The first question new people ask you is “what do you do?” I dreaded it, because in my mind I didn’t “do” anything. I’ve always been defined by my job and not having one was devastating. So I really feel for those people who aren’t as fortunate as me and who are employed long-term. Most people who are unemployed are not there by choice and the stigma attached to joblessness is unfair and usually inaccurate. Times are tough, but there are opportunities out there and eventually you’ll find the right one for you. A positive attitude is the key and the tools others have suggested like setting a schedule and continuing to go to the gym is very good advice.
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Such great advice Alison.
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I was made redundant in May 2012 with NO payout as I was on a three year contract that I found out could be broken with 2 weeks notice. I am still unemployed and as a professional person it is very hard. I would like to know how many people apply for the same jobs that I do because it is difficult not knowing what you are up against.
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Try job hunting with some sort of disability. Multiply your frustration by a zillion.
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I am currently looking for work after been a carer to a parent that passed away of cancer late last year.
I am in my early twenties and have been looking for a retail or waitressing job or pretty much anything I can get.
I have been to tafe to see careers advisors and they couldn’t help me much it is really hard getting the rejection letters and emails.
I only had one previous retail job in my teens so that does not help.
I am also greatful that centerline payments exist without them I’d be screwed. I am living with my aunt so I a least have a roof over my head I just wish I’d could find a job soon.
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I’ve been in your shoes – just apply for everything you might possibly think you could do. I’d write a cover letter for entry level jobs explaining why you have been out of work and that you are happy to start at the bottom just to get a chance. That’s how I got my current job
I don’t know if you have but also just email your cv to companies etc even if they are not advertising – you have nothing to lose right!
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Cabbage fairy , Thankyou so much for your advice
I will be editing my cover letter straight away! And also sending my cv to companies that are not advertising.
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Hi Janie, maybe it’s worth considering an industry with some qualifications? For example, hairdressers are crying out for apprentices right now and though the money isn’t great at first, at least it’s something and once you are qualified it’s much better!
That’s just one example, or you could try some of the shorter TAFE courses (you can do many online through OTEN) that might help you. Or perhaps WEA, or volunteering somewhere.
It might just help you get something extra on your resume
Best of luck with your search, I hope you find something that suits you!
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Hi Gemack, thanks for the advice I have a another appointment with a careers person from my local tafe.
I will ask them about the doing courses through OTEN. Hairdressing I’ll check that out too I don’t know if I’d be good at anything like it but worth a look into .
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Would you do anything like nursing or pca? there are often nursing homes looking for pcas and I ams sure all the work you did caring for your parent you would be more than qualified. wishing you all the best. It must be such a tough posiion for you as you are obvioulsy having to deal with grief also.
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I have considered doing aged care but not nursing I have an appointment with a careers person again through my local Tafe I’ll ask them about nursing and other career areas related.
I feel that it would be a excellent area for me as I do like helping and caring for others.
Thank you for your advice and well wishes.
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Good luck, Janie! Nursing and aged care sound perfect for you. x
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Janie, what state are you in? I know that Vodaphone are always looking for retail staff. If you’re keen, willing to learn about the products and have a genuine desire to help people you will go far in customer service. My partner works as a Territory Manager for Voda in Vic.
Good luck! I think the advice of just canvassing any companies that you genuinely like the culture of is very good.
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Hi Dani, I am in Nsw thanks for the advice I’ll will check out vodaphone straight away.
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What a boring article, and what a lie that she can’t find work – go work at Maccas or Coles. I’m sick of my tax dollars paying for ‘poor me’ people who think they can’t find work. Are you too good to take one of the 3000 jobs just announced by McDonald’s? No sympathy.
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When were you last unemployed?
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I can only imagine how hard it is to get by on what they pay at McDonald’s. And just because someone is out of work doesn’t mean they don’t have the right to something better than that – what if you had years of experience, a tertiary education, etc. etc. I don’t think it would be such a good thing for society for all of these people to be working at McDonald’s – what a waste of skill and a strain on the mental health of so many.
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Or empathy either, it would seem.
I replied to this, but it has been lost in the ether.
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Yes, the ether is being really ‘ethereal’ today – maybe because of yesterday’s crash? I had to post my comment twice for it to take, so apologies if the other one re-emerges down the track.
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I actually applied For a job at Maccas and have a interview coming up soon if they offer me the job I’ll take it.
I do not see myself as too good to work there, your comment towards the author of the article is uncalled for. So you find it boring so why read it?
Until you have walked a day in the shoes of someone that has been unemployed for whatever reason you have no right to place judgement on others.
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Good luck Janie!
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Oh Jess. How naive you are!
Despite being a professional woman who was well respected in my industry, I was unemployed for quite some time after being made redundant.
I applied for over 500 positions (yes, you read that right, five hundred), that I was both over qualified for and under qualified for – I wasn’t successful in securing too many interviews let alone another position. Can you possibly imagine how demoralising that is to be rejected from that many positions despite knowing you could do them in your sleep! I applied for everything – including manual labour and administrative tasks. I was rejected – too qualified for the job!
I also didn’t qualify for benefits, so had to rely on whatever savings I had.
In order to maintain my skills until something else came up, I started volunteering for charities as well as worked for my husband’s company which was very fortunate that I had this to keep me sane.
I blogged about it: http://art-of-being-unemployed.blogspot.com/
It’s been 12 months and four days – perhaps you have some professional advice for me on how to get a job? You obviously have some insider knowledge, more than my executive coach or outplacement agent!
So next time you feel the need to expend your advice, give the reader the benefit of the doubt that perhaps there really is an employment issue out there. Walk a few steps in their shoes before judging them.
PS- I also pay a hell of a lot of tax (even in my unemployment) – and very happy if this contributes towards benefits for other job seekers!
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Oh Jess.
How naive you are!
Despite being a professional woman who was well respected in my industry, I was unemployed for quite some time after being made redundant.
I applied for over 500 positions (yes, you read that right, five hundred), that I was both over qualified for and under qualified for – I wasn’t successful in securing too many interviews let alone another position. Can you possibly imagine how demoralising that is to be rejected from that many positions despite knowing you could do them in your sleep! I applied for everything – including manual labour and administrative tasks. I was rejected – too qualified for the job!
I also didn’t qualify for benefits, so had to rely on whatever savings I had.
In order to maintain my skills until something else came up, I started volunteering for charities as well as worked for my husband’s company which was very fortunate that I had this to keep me sane.
I blogged about it: http://art-of-being-unemployed.blogspot.com/
It’s been 12 months and four days – perhaps you have some professional advice for me on how to get a job? You obviously have some insider knowledge, more than my executive coach or outplacement agent!
So next time you feel the need to expend your advice, give the reader the benefit of the doubt that perhaps there really is an employment issue out there. Walk a few steps in their shoes before judging them.
PS- I also pay a hell of a lot of tax (even in my unemployment) – and very happy if this contributes towards benefits for other job seekers!
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I don’t suppose it occurs to you, Jess, that some unemployed people have actually paid tax themselves at some point? I hate to break it to you but you’re not keeping the country running by yourself.
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Clearly you’ve never applied for a fast food or supermarket job after turning about 18. Believe me, I’ve been there the only way they will hire anyone out of school age is if they can’t get someone younger (ie cheaper) to fill the shifts that need to be filled.
I got a job at maccas when I was 19 only because my boyfriend worked there and was friends with the manager who looked after hiring staff. Even then I had to apply three times to get an interview. You’d be surprised how many kids will leave school for a retail traineeship when it’s offered, making it harder for older applicants.
Perhaps Laura has applied for these jobs and was unsuccessful. It’s not fair to judge someone if you don’t know their circumstances 100%.
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I can say from experience that it isn’t that simple. Despite being well qualified I’ve applied for some jobs that don’t require qualifications or experience as there isn’t much work in my field. People hiring for these jobs are often hesitant to take someone with higher than required qualifications or experience because they are concerned they will quickly move onto something better
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Although I do agree with this to a degree, Generation Y have constantly been told “you’ve got to study hard or you’ll end up working at maccas”, you can’t then criticize us for not accepting work at Mcdonalds if youve constantly told us that working hard will mean you wont have to.
I would also like to add that in America 40 year olds and 14 year olds are paid the exact same rate, so its easy for anyone to get a job there. In Australia there are junior rates meaning McDonalds can pay those under 21 half the amount they pay those over 21, so obviously the 15 year olds are preferred over 22 year olds.
Im a full time uni student and cant work during the day. I’ve been trying to get a nightfill job (coles/woolies/toys r us) for six months. No luck
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You clearly have no idea. Until you’ve experienced what it’s like to be in a Centrelink queue and have sent out letter after letter after resume after resume to only get a ‘thanks, but we had so many highly qualified applicants…’ (f you get any response at all) for a job you’re over qualified for then you have no idea.
So ‘go work at Maccas’ you reckon. Well you go put you’re name down at Maccas or Coles or Woolies and see what happens. You’re talking out your self-satisfied a***.
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Wow Jess, spoken like someone who has never experienced the uncertainty of where your next meal is coming from, or someone who suffers from learning disabilities and dropped out of school before learning to read and write properly and are therefore considered unemployable, or someone who has been one of 150 applicants for a job where there are 10 positions. Not to mention the fact that there are currently hundreds of thousands of unemployed people in the country, a number which continues to increase as the manufacturing industry suffers and the public service makes drastic cuts to support the budget surplus.
For someone who was clever enough to read a single news article (more likely the headline) you are sadly judgmental of those whose lives are clearly less cushioned than yours. My work in unemployment has exposed me to tragic stories of people who just want to be allowed to work, will take absolutely any job going including those that the majority of people would consider to be degrading, but who somehow still manage to scrounge the tiniest amount from their $34 a day to give their child a treat or find the bus fare to get to just one more job interview, just in case this is the one. Could you live off $34 a day?
What about your tax dollars supporting all those awful people who get sick and need to use your tax dollars to access medical services, or those terrible individuals who dare to ask a charity organisation for assistance because their low-paying job at McDonalds doesn’t bring home enough money to support a family of 4? Where does compassion step in?
I feel sorry for the Centrelink representative who has to deal with you when someday it is your turn to need a hand up (not out).
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Wow, look at you and your mighty tax dollars. Good on you.
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Jess, I paid 37,500 in tax last financial year and found myself unemployed on July 1. Given the amount of tax I paid (and did so for 10 years in that job) you would realise highly paid professional. It does not pay to judge others with such a poisonous tongue my friend. I did the golden arches online test and guess what?! Not suitable, my skills were actually holding me back!! Not all unemployed people are keen to sit and watch day time tv Jess, many of us have paid taxes to :/
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I am a uni student trying to find a full time job and I get held back from a lot of entry level positions for not having any relevant work experience (work retail but want to be in finance) but all the entry level jobs say I am too skilled! We can’t win =(
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Amen sisters. The ‘you don’t have enough experience’, ‘you’re over-qualified’ rock and hard place.
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I hate feeding the trolls but lets be honest Coles and Maccas only want to hire someone who is 15. I work in retail and now when they get resumes from anyone over 15 it gets thrown out by the managers. They need to interview at least one “oldie” who is 18+ but don’t have to hire them.
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When I go into my local Centrelink I see people who are basically unemployable and probably always will be. People who wear trackies, thongs, West Coast Choppers hoodies and unkempt hair. Multicultural women with four kids under five and language barriers. Groups of young people hanging around the front being troublesome and smoking. It is really depressing.
Every time I go in they seem shocked I have my paperwork together just fine.
I have no complaints whatsoever about Centrelink except that lately they sacked a number of call staff and now it takes up to an hour to get through on the phone. I am sure Centrelink can be difficult but after 7 years of various payments (Youth Allowance and Disability) and no issues credit where its due. I’m so glad to have the support of Centrelink. I can study and work while I regain health and train for a career more suited to my new circumstances and Centrelink makes up my wage to a liveable amount. Very lucky.
I do think people need back up work skills. I switched from my professional career back to waitressing, which I picked up while in high school and uni, when health made me stop working full time and pursue a new career. You can still work casually in temporary jobs while looking for a new full time job. My waitressing background has come in handy over the years. If I was in between professional jobs I could just pick up agency shifts when it suited me, fit in job interviews in between. Or you could do temp office work. There are lots of temp low skilled casual jobs crying out for workers.
You can wait tables and still fit in job interviews and searching. There was an article the other day about job snobs. I wonder if that is the case for some professional workers who go four months without working at all. A month or so I understand, it is not worth it. But I scratch my head at professional workers who go months in between jobs and go on the dole. There must be something you could do while looking.
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What on earth is a ‘Multicultural woman’?
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I agree re Job Snobs – but this is such a tough one. Having come from a professional background (and one where I recruited significant numbers of staff) I appreciate that employers will look at the most recent experience, and a job well below your skill/ experience level may create a black mark on your CV. Obviously you don’t have to include these “lower level” jobs on your CV; however it can be hard to get these jobs as well, where you may be told that you are too experienced and will be bored.
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Almost but not quite because at least the bogan mothers are white hey?
I’m disgusted by people like you.
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I don’t understand the point of this article and have really learned nothing from it. The writer starts off making one point and then comes to a different conclusion at the end. Much like a journal entry. Confusing. Here’s a tip. Write a few drafts and find out what argument you would like to make and then write the final article.
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That could have been said more nicely.
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I agree, Jenny.
To me, this article seems like a stream of consciousness, not unlike a journal entry. It’s as though the author is trying to convince themselves that ‘being unemployed doesn’t mean she’s lazy, incompetent and unsuccessful’ and is doing so within a public forum. A piece for self-affirmation.
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I should add that I don’t think being unemployed means any of those labels apply. My comment is based on the manner in which the post was written, not the actual content.
I know that being unemployed can be very difficult and disheartening – been in that situation myself. Again, my comment is based on the writing style.
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I don’t feel that’s a fair analysis at all. This article, like many on this website, allows you to think outside the square of life that you live in. If you’ve never been unemployed, you may have the preconceived judgements that Laura is talking about. This article helps you see it from a different point of view. It also appeals to the currently unemployed to stay positive.
It has a point and message and you don’t need to be a right cow by bringing someone else’s work down. Have a complaint? Email mamamia directly.
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Does there have to be an arguement? It’s not an academic piece after all.
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This hits very close to home for me – it is something that has toggled between back and foreground for me over the last 3 years as my boyfriend and I have taken turns at being out of work.
It is incredibly difficult, and knocks your self esteem daily. I found the mood fluctuations really hard to bear – switching between self-flagellation (‘I have failed,’ ‘it’s useless, I’ll never get a job,’ ‘I need to toughen up’), hope (‘things aren’t so bad, I’m lucky really’, ‘I’m sure this next one will be it’) and everything in between – boredom, loneliness, embarrassment, shame… you name it.
For someone who is generally upbeat and positive, I found the drudgery of the situation so tough – and the ‘inspirational’ messages of ‘your future is what you make of it’ etc. just made it all worse. That meant if I couldn’t get work, I had failed and it was all my fault, when the truth was that I was lost and trying so hard but had almost no control over what was happening.
It was (and is) much worse in many ways for my boyfriend. The problem he found with Centrelink was that you cannot get help until you are so low you almost can’t even ask for it anymore. You can’t get non-financial help until you receive financial help, and you can’t get that until you are almost broke. For people who really want to get back on their feet but are struggling, it’s tough to have to wait until you are on your knees to get help.
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Totally agree. We had to be at the point of losing our house (mortgaged with small equity) before Centrelink would have touched me.
Its a shame there is no short term assistance available for people who show a fairly stable employment history and just need a little help to get through a rough patch. Even if it had to be repaid like HECS it would be helpful.
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Yes, that would be great! Then you could pay for whatever paid services might be available to help you (like career counselling).
When all you can see is your savings disintegrating, it’s hard to fork out for anything other than absolute necessities.
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As a journalist who was made redundant due to all the media woes at the moment I can confirm that trying to find a job right now is ridiculously hard. I thought the hard part was trying to break into the industry in the first place but this is ten times worse. I worked incredibly hard at my job because I loved it and I loved being a part of the newspaper world. I went from winning awards and having everybody congratulating me on my stories and success to nothing. It’s been six months and while I have been incredibly lucky to pick up freelance writing work, finding a full time job is looking impossible.
I’ve stopped talking to my friends and family as much because I feel like such a failure and I don’t want everybody feeling sorry for me. I find it hard to motivate myself to eat healthy or go to the gym because I’ve been so depressed. I know I’m wallowing a bit and there are people worse off then me but it’s a hard situation for anybody to be in. Even as a highly graded journalist I’ve approached publications about working for free or even taking on entry level or admin roles in an attempt to work my way up in company but I barley get a response to my emails.
Your attitude is really positive Laura and I’m going to keep telling myself the same thing until my situation gets better.
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Don’t stop going to the gym, whatever you do. Three reasons why:
1. It creates a definite start to a day, gets you out of the house and MOVING. (Really important for us writer-types who get stuck at the computer and wonder where the last three hours went, time-wasting on Mama Mia. Guilty as charged …
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2. You meet amazing people, who;
3. Might open new employment doors.
Good luck – I know journos are doing it tough at the moment.
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Plus it’s awesome for your mental health, and helps with the stress that comes with unemployment!
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I’m a former journo who is now working in retail (which is a sector with its own struggles). I actually really enjoy it and customer service and a lot of skills we gained as journalists (thinking on your feet, relating to total strangers etc) are all useful in this area. You also might be great working as admin, reception within another organisation (not media) but find out whether they have a media or PR department (I actually managed to get a PR role with a high profile London council that way). Just some food for thought – but I am sure it must seem like an incredible comedown after all you have achieved… all the best
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Thanks for writing this Laura. I had returned from London and was re-entering the job market in Melbourne. It really surprised me that I wouldn’t have a job lined up within a couple of weeks and, more importantly, the rate at which my confidence and self-esteem plummeted. I would wake up feeling anxious every morning and I found myself questioning my abilities and worth more and more. I felt ashamed telling people I was unemployed. When you’re in your 20s and without children, so much of your identity is embedded in what you do for work. I can only imagine what it must feel like to be in that situation for six months or more. Thankfully, it took me six weeks to find something and another two before I was battling the peak hour commute.
During the job hunt, I found it helped to set up a routine. I set the alarm each morning and was out of bed at 8am. I spent the morning trawling the websites, writing applications, calling recruiters/temp agencies and emailing my old colleagues and contacts to set up coffees and lunches (don’t treat it as a direct way of getting work but just reconnect with them and scope out any potential opportunities out there). After lunch, I would always leave the house, either to meet with people, to do something touristy or just to go to my local cafe to read my book. (In six weeks, I got through 8 books – my personal best!) I also deliberately broke that routine on weekends, so that I felt a sense of weekday/weekend.
Good luck, know that you’re not alone and let us know how it all goes! x
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If you have only been unemployed for 1 month you have probably not experienced the difficulties that go on when centrelink stuff up – at least for your sake I hope you haven’t after just one month.
Whilst I agree on being greatful – definitely – but when they cut off payments for no reason (or completely unjustified reasons such as a staff error meaning you CAN’T pay your bills on time), force you to wait in a standing line for 2+ hours whilst injured (therefore exacerbating said injury that is stopping person from gaining employment), then its pretty hard to not bitch & whinge about them… And yes I understand human error happens but my partner was unemployed long term and centrelink would cut off his payment every 2 months (pretty much like clockwork) due to misunderstandings between staff on the conditions imposed upon him due to injury… and then to find out the job agency they had sent him (mandatory to receive payments) to for ‘help’ had placed him in a category of the ‘too hard basket’ because he had strict conditions due to injury but not deemed enough to be put on disability pension… So he had to attend appointments where they would say ‘ok you haven’t found a job, you aren’t better yet? make the treck back home now and continue being in pain” (at least thats what it felt like).
So yes – it is great that we get support in this country whilst unemployed but most days it just feels like they don’t really want to help, and I think its not worth the effort… *sigh* It’s a tricky situation.
Laura – I hope you find a job ASAP as long term unemoployment and long term dealing with centrelink is not something i’d wish upon anybody!
Good luck!
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I’m currently unemplyed and it’s probably the hardest period of my life. I quit my job after my boss very seriously harrassed me when she found I contacted Fair Work to report that we were being underpaid and forced to work public holidays and overtime for nothing. And even though I made that choice and wasn’t sacked because my own mistakes or misconduct I feel the pitying thoughts from those around me.
It’s been four months and I’ve had not one interview or callback. Although I’ve been told by some companies that they are receiving 300+ applications for each job in my small town with one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. I’ve just been too ashamed to go to my local Centrelink too, wouldn’t you know it, it’s directly across the road from my old place of work. I’d me mortified if they saw me.
The worst bit is the loneliness that comes from not going out and interacting with the world. And feeling like you’ve helped and achieved something for the day. I know if I stayed at my old work I would have been harrassed and blocked from further promotions, bonuses etc but at least I’d be spending my day doing something, instead of lost at home. The longer this goes on the more I regret my decision.
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So sorry to hear that Melanie… I hope you find a job soon and you stop doubting your decision… nobody deserves to be harrassed, especially just because you were standing up what you deserved!
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Perhaps you could study online – FEE Help will cover you doing Open Uni study. If you are studying full time you can apply for Aus Study help. Just a thought, might make you feel more purposeful. Good luck.
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Thanks guys, I am taking the time to do a certificate in OH&S. My partner works in the mines and I’d love to earn that kind of cash.
I assume won’t be entitled to any government payments because I have savings, own property and have a partner who earns a very good wage. Then again, I’m too ashamed to actually go in and find out.
I don’t think I’ll find work in this town, just four jobs have come up in the last four months that I’ve actually been able to apply for (and they’re not particuarly enjoyable jobs). I have no problems with doing something ‘beneath me’ like stacking shelves or sweeping floors but again it’s that shame of ‘what if my old boss sees me’. As soon as my partner can secure a position that will pay for him to fly to his jobsite from our capital city (he has to drive right now taking 5 hours, if he drove from the city it would be 9 hours) we’re planning on moving to the city and I’ll just get a job anywhere until I find something better.
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There’s no shame in your ex-boss seeing you doing menial work. If it ever came up you could at least say to her ‘I’d rather be sweeping this floor, than work for an incompetant manager like you’. Good luck with finding a job :O)
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Glad you are keeping busy and learning, and best of luck in finding work soon.
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‘The worst bit is the loneliness that comes from not going out and interacting with the world. And feeling like you’ve helped and achieved something for the day.’
Yes. It’s really demoralising, isn’t it? But hopefully you did achieve something by standing up for your work colleagues and something will come your way soon. Wishing you all the best.
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Thanks Lizi that really means a lot, the sad bit is because of my ‘disrespect’ (her words) the office had their sales bonuses stripped. But they were all too afraid to stand up with me and just watched on while it happened. I’ve lost a few friends out of it.
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Hey Melanie, you did the right thing by trying to keep them honest. Your actions could help other employees in the future. I hope your luck turns around soon xoxo
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I feel your pain.
I was made redundant at the very beginning of the GFC and it took me almost 4 months to get another job. The most demoralising 4 months of my life. I had never been unemployed before, I had always skipped between jobs by choice in the past with barely a day off inbetween – often with more money and responsibility waiting for me in my new role.
Thankfully because of the redundancy payment we weren’t under huge financial pressure but emotionally I found it so difficult to cope. If I ever found myself in peak hour traffic, or at the shops around lunchtime I would feel so envious of the people who were heading to their jobs, or on breaks with their colleagues. I had some moments where I felt so down
I found Friday’s the most difficult day. There was no ‘Friday feeling’ where you feel a sense of satisfaction having made it to the end of another work week and have the weekend to look forward to.
Good Luck with your search
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I MISS the Friday feeling. Lol. I get to the end of the week and go ‘well I’ve done all the chores and can’t afford to go and do something, what the hell can I do to fill in another 2 days?’
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great post. so nice to see a positive spin on this.
good-luck with the job hunt, with your positive attitude i am sure it won’t be long before you are snapped up!
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My little brither is currently looking for a job after the company that he worked for went bust. He has tried to register with job agencies, but is not permitted to until he registers with Centrelink. He has been told he cannot register with Centrelink as he has savings. He is not asking for the dole, but wants to be able to access the jobs that these agencies affliated with Centrelink have to offer. Unfortunately, until he is desperate, with no savings, he can’t put all his efforts into job hunting. Something is wrong with the system there.
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Just quietly, if he gave that to someone else in dribs and drabs as “rent”…
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Hi raraluna – He should still be able to register with Centrelink and receive a client number (that he’ll need to access those jobs) even though he doesn’t qualify for financial support. Tell him to advise Centrelink that he wants a Job Seeker Support number. They’ll enter him in the system and link him up with a local job search agency. He doesn’t have to have any further involvement with the agency if he doesn’t want to.
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I haven’t had to go to Centrelink, so I don’t know how that feels, because I’m lucky enough to be able to earn enough freelancing from home while I’m looking for a new job (contract ended last month).
It still doesn’t stop people from seeing it as a second rate option compared with going out to work. Drives me batty trying to say that I earn just as much!
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