By AMY STOCKWELL
And there it was, in all its revolting glory….
Yesterday, instead of a woman in her workplace being discriminated against for having children, I was seeing a woman in her workplace being discriminated against for not having children. I guess it’s a nice change, right?
You see, watching Sunrise is a guilty pleasure of mine. I’ll also admit to a healthy crush on Andrew O’Keefe. Yesterday Sunrise and fill-in host, Andrew O’Keefe, were together in beautiful harmony.
A harmony that was shattered when I heard the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, talking about the Baby Bonus.
In its mid-year Budget update on Monday, the Government announced that it will reduce the Baby Bonus from $5000 to $3000 for every child after your first.
Tony Abbott disagreed and outlined his child-rearing credentials. He then said, ”I think if the Government was a bit more experienced in this area, they wouldn’t come out with glib lines like that.”
Later on ABC radio, the Prime Minister said that it was up to the Leader of the Opposition to explain what he meant by his statement (which seemed fair in the circumstances). Mr Abbott said to 3AW’s Neil Mitchell, “Please…I was alluding to my own experience of a double pram [for two daughters, born 15 months apart]”.
By his own account, when he was talking about fiscal decisions relating to the Baby Bonus, Mr Abbott was referring to his own experience of having children. An experience that the Leader of the Opposition says the current Government needs – but doesn’t have – to make decisions about the Federal Budget.
Both the Treasurer and the Finance Minister who made the mid-year Budget statement have children – so presumably this wasn’t a jibe at their fecundity.
In fact, Penny Wong is a brand new mother.
Most likely, it was a glib line designed to paint the Leader of the Opposition as a consummate family man, in contrast to, say, a child-less Prime Minister.
Taken on face value, the content of Mr Abbott’s statement is ridiculous. You don’t need to be a parent to know that the Baby Bonus, an injection of either $5000 or $3000, is helpful and important for families at a time of significant cost pressures (you’d have to pay me a lot more to push a watermelon out of my bathing-suit area, but I can see that it is significant and worthwhile).
You don’t need to be a parent to know that it is also important for families (perhaps even more so) for Government to spend the Federal Budget on expanded early childhood education, affordable childcare, quality maternal and child health services and paid parental leave. Are there more effective ways for the Federal Budget to be used? Maybe. Maybe not. But you don’t need to have blended your DNA with someone else to make that decision.
Silly stuff, but of course, Mr Abbott’s comments aren’t really about the mid-year review. They are not even really about the Prime Minister. They are about the Leader of the Opposition himself.
These comments are about a man who is desperate to paint himself as a modern man, a hands-on dad and a gentle, sensitive fellow. He’s someone who knows about double prams. He’s not someone who punches walls.
Since the Government started calling out the Leader of the Opposition on his sexist behaviour, it has resonated with the electorate. When the Prime Minister named Mr Abbott a misogynist, it rang true and it rang around the world.
The public has been rightfully sceptical of recent media stunts and photo ops designed to turn that view around. Marching out your wife to say that you are not sexist does not amount to much. Hey, my mum thinks I’m cool, but that doesn’t mean that Andrew O’Keefe is going to call me.
Yesterday on 3AW, Mr Abbott tried to brush off concerns and comments about the apparent sexism of his Baby Bonus statements by saying, “What we’ve got is a Government that hyperventilates about all sorts of things at the least possible excuse”.
Blatant sexism is not a ‘least possible excuse’.
Lest I be charged with hyperventilating, I’m going to say this slowly: sexism is someone who is on the record as saying that women do not have the physiology or temperament for some jobs, particularly powerful ones.
It is someone who thinks that women should not be able to control their fertility – but they should be doing the ironing.
It is someone who treats women in power (be they Ministers, Prime Ministers or Speakers of the House) with disrespect and disdain – demonstrating that he does not believe that they should have that power. But surprisingly, it is not the fact that the Leader of the Opposition is still making offhand sexist comments and claiming wide-eyed innocence that worries me so much.
What concerns me the most is that, in making these casual statements, Mr Abbott is ‘dog whistling’ – quietly and effectively courting a constituency of closeted gynophobes – those people who would make signs saying the Prime Minister a bitch and who think that putting a woman in a chaff bag is funny.
A throw-away reference to childlessness here, an allusion to ‘making an honest woman’ there – it’s all Mr Abbott’s slow wink to sexist supporters that says: “hey, we all know this whole equality thing is a laugh, right?”.
Now that’s something to hyperventilate about.
Amy Stockwell is a policy communicator, lawyer and writer, former ministerial adviser, public servant and NGO-junkie. You can follow her on Twitter here
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The ABC reportage on cuts to the baby bonus cited a vox-pop that was, to my mind, a stand-out. According to the ABC, Bernadette Mitchelle, a mother of three, claims that the cuts will make parents think long and hard. She was quoted to have said “..it would definitely impact on our decision if we were going to have a fourth [child].”
If the cuts to the baby bonus are making anyone “think long and hard” about a very serious 18 year [1] commitment, then any reasonable person would applaud such policy.
To me, given that birth is now controllable to varying degrees, there is a moral obligation on a person to think very long and hard about bringing another person into existence
[1] 18 years is the legal minimum. I would venture that being a parent is a life-time commitment.
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I saw that too it made me think that if you $5000 or $3000 is a major factor in the decision making process about an entire human being – the decision should probably be no
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This is a great article….Tony Abbott clueless or calculated…?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-24/crabb-tony-abbott-clueless-or-calculated/4331806
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According to the Centrelink website:
“Parental Leave Pay and Baby Bonus cannot be paid for the same child. If you are eligible for both payments, you can choose which one is the better financial decision for your family. You can use the Paid Parental Leave Comparison Estimator to help you with your decision.”
Obviously, the government has chosen to penalize families not eligible for the paid parental scheme; usually families with one or no wage earners. So the message is; the government will support you to have more children if you have been working and go back after your 18 weeks leave.
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“… the government has chosen to penalize [sic] families…”
Let me understand what is being said here. The government *gives* free money to people who make a child and that is the government “penalising” them?
I thought a “penalty” was a punishment. Surely the blessing of a child and the bonus of free cash to spend as one desires is a good thing?
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Again we are listening to soap opera style mellow-drama when we are supposed to be focusing on helping this country. What a waste when opposing parties who were originally designed to play ‘devil’ advocate’ now just find ways to put each other down. Now that is the real waste of tax payer’s money.
It really is time we all got it together. Crippling financial times are around the corner, the government is hinting at this by reducing the baby bonus. Ultimately we are all going to be in the same boat, and if not careful the government will run out of money, and therefore noone will get newstart allowance when unemployed.
I’m just a bit sick of this bickering when they should all pull their socks up and get on with something useful. I’ll gladly pay them good money in taxes if they would work together as a team and figure something out to this countries benefit. And I’m not talking short term short vision things like selling uranium to India.
I was watching a ’round table event’ today – on the internet. The subject was ‘education reform’. I really thought that this style of listening and heading together toward a solution that is mutually beneficial is the only way to go in the future. We need more of this sort of thing.
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As a family with a 2 year old & an 8 month old no things did not get any cheaper for us (thanks Mr Swan) and as a family not entitled to any government assistance, tax breaks nothing, nada, zip. And as a mother who has been working since she left school but now thankfully in a position to stay at home with her kids freaking oath I am MORE than happy for our tax money to be spent on things like the “baby bonus” because I have actually looked into who gets the baby bonus how it is means tested and who ACTUALLY qualifies for paid parental leave and my friends who might not be in a stronger financial position throwing themselves back into the workforce heavily pregnant and leaving unhappy toddlers without their mummies. What I am NOT happy about is poor policies and that rather then modeling our system on countries which have for many years had family friendly policies like Denmark and aspiring for a better everything there is this mindset of you should be happy with your lot. No for gods sake, I live in AUSTRALIA not Thailand not Africa, AUSTRALIA! And I aspire for better. I want those bastards in Canberra to be held accountable how dare they get an increase in pay while they cut benefits & slash education & health. How DARE they! Enough with the he said she said dramatics and get on with your jobs! On a sidenote as I sat in the accountants going over our tax I cheerfully went on about how good it was that this budget was raising the tax free threshold only to be told that actually no the taxfree threshold was already that high with other seperate applicable tax breaks but all they have done was get rid of the tax breaks to pay for the “new higher tax free threshold”… Swanny you might have repackaged that there but it is still the same ol same ol. Oh & raiding super less than 2K that has been inactive to 12months god if you have university students or children who have jobs there goes their hard earned cash!
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I’m a mum to 4 healthy kids that my husband and I chose to have. While we received the baby bonus for 1 of them I’d be happy to see it scrapped completely and the money directed to the National Disability Insurance Scheme. How about we start helping people who are facing circumstances beyond their control rather than funding the choices families make
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(First I would like to make it clear, I support neither liberal nor labour. I think both party’s and what they stand for suck.)
If Tony Abbott is a misogynist than so am I. I think the only problem is that his thoughts are too old fashioned for modern women’s libber’s who thanks to the Howard era, think they deserve to have everything, and be paid to have children too.
As for his attacks on Gillard, what was he supposed to do when she attacks him. Labour has been playing dirty politics for ages to take the focus off what they are doing in the background.
IMO these handouts the Howard Government introduced were wrong. This generation of children are being brought up by the system (school and childcare) not by their parents. It should never have changed from being a choice between a career or a family. There is plenty of proof, if you look for it, that children need the support of a parent at home when they are. Leaving them to bring themselves up is creating a disjointed society. .
Before I get hate mail I would like to say that is a generalised comment, in no way does it reflect every situation. There always has been and always will be those people who through no fault of their own find themselves on their own and forced to try and do both.
I will never believe
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Wow, us cheeky buggers expecting to be able to have kids and a career too, rather than keeping a nice clean house for our menfolk (who have, er, kids and career) to come home to.
If you consider John Howard as being a catalyst for feminist change, then you probably are, as you say, a misogynist.
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I think you will find housing costs are one of the main factors forcing women into the workforce. I would love to stay home with my kids like my mum did… I’d also love the 4 bedroom home in Sydney they purchased for $80,000… Which at the time was approx 1.5 times my Dads income.
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“I think you will find housing costs are one of the main factors forcing women into the workforce.”
Or did greedy developers bump up prices when women entered the workforce?
Or are people simply able to access insane levels of credit and want to live well beyond their means?
I am not sure about the answer but one thing I do know; The bottom line is that despite all of the endless hand-wringing and angst about the state of the nation’s children, assistance isn’t being directed toward kids at the greatest risk. It’s a charade designed by and for child-makers who aren’t thrilled with the consequences of their own choices, who either feel guilty that they don’t spend enough time with their children or are irate at the financial impact that children have on them after having lived as DINKS – and who, after decades of funding welfare for the poor, no matter how parsimonious, are demanding theirs.
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Might I please, respectfully ask what was wrong with my comment ? I stated that before long it will be considered sexist and misogynistic to ask the PM the time of day when it is apparent that she doesn’t wear a wristwatch. Is it wrong to question the gender war that is being aided and abetted on sites such as MM ?
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I was under the impression that the baby bonus was created in lieu of paid maternity leave, so now we have that shouldnt it be scrapped completely? As much as I have appreciated that lovely whad of cash I dont think the country can really afford to have both payments.
I wonder if TA is just narky about the whole thing because that is what the libs were planning to do?
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Agreed, wasn’t it Joe Hockey having a go at the entitlement mentality, and saying welfare should be reduced?
sooo…it’s only a good idea if your own party does it???
why couldn’t they just come out and agree it’s a good idea. No doubt they were planning it, or similar. If/when they do get voted in, they will make very similar moves but will be all….boohoo it’s labor’s fault, don’t blame us..waaah
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You have to be in 10 months continuous employment to qualify for paid parental leave. By scrapping the baby bonus mothers wanting to have more than one child would have to put their 1st child into day care or at least wait 5 & 1/2 years until they go to school and return to work before they decided to conceive then work throughout their entire pregnancy to qualify. Everyone here is just speculating and commenting upon their own backgrounds but you know who is supposed to know better, The Government. They are the ones who are supposed to form policy & budgets to better our nation but they are too busy slinging mud at eachother and getting their knickers in a knot.
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the baby bonus is just that a ‘bonus’ it was never designed to pay for the entire cost of having a baby.
if you are on lower incomes you get family benefit.
if you EARN TOO MUCH you don’t get it, because you don’t need it!!!
the government should not support peoples’ lifestyles.
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More having to walk on egg shells when discussing anything relating to women, to avoid the labor machine calling you out for sexism.
I have heard labor and union people saying things like ‘what would you know about having to live off of a minimum wage’ or ‘what would you know about struggling to meet mortgage payments’ more times than i have had hot dinners, but that is all fine because it is not directed (heaven forbid) at a woman.
Surely if we want to build equality and resilient go getting women in Australia, the way to do it isnt to demonstrate a mentality of playing the victim at every tiny little thing where a women doesnt get what she wants, or is questioned or held to account for what she does. Rather, let’s demonstrate that women are able to take the hussle and bustle of life just like men, and argue the issue, not pull the sexism card as a deflection tactic.
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I would think most women do actually just get on with it. Of course there are women that use the victim mentality, but there are men that do it too. I don’t actually think the PM cried foul over this one, the media did.
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are you serious??!!
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Sure, your argument is valid, until you consider the following.
Mr Abbott said that the government lacked experience. When pressed what he meant, he said it related to his experience as a parent. So his argument was this: The government can’t make good decisions relating to families because they don’t have children. Except almost all of the government ministers are parents, in fact a record number of Ministers are, for the first time in history, women with small children.
So his argument is stupid and without merit. Except that’s not really his argument, is it?
His argument is really a wink: look at that single childless woman. He would never have made that argument against a male Prime Minister without children. It’s sexist.
Surely if we want to build equality and resilient go getting women in Australia, wouldn’t it be nice if sometimes, on occasion, Anonymous posters admitted that Australia was not sexism free and everything Mr Abbott says is not simply twisted to sound sexist, but often actually is.
Rather, let’s demonstrate that women are equals, with equal expectations about life just like men, and argue the issue, not pull the ‘they’re pulling the victim card’ card as a deflection tactic.
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lol, interesting, you point out that there is a record number of women in government with children at the moment, as if that somehow says they should therefore be if anything, more versed with the issues of raising children than men with children of governments past. Do you not see the incredible irony in that very statement, given the topic (sexism and suggesting some are more qualified to talk about issues of children and families than others). lol, a tad amusing sorry.
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I know there are people who really need the baby bonus, but I have heard more than one person say they are using the money for an big flat screen TV!
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If they’re paying that much for a big screen tv, they’re getting ripped off.
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Not the “big flat screen TV” comment AGAIN!
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I’ve heard from some of my clients that they’re getting a car with their baby bonus money. Does that aggravate too? Cos I can see how handy having a car would be for a new parent.
As for the TVs. Yes, occasionally I’ve seen a large one in a new parents home, but are people not allowed to watch tele at night?
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It beggars belief but he just keeps doing it. He doesn’t seem to be able to stop himself. When I watch him drop these clangers, I can never figure out whether he is just a simple man who has no control over his thoughts, or if he is very clever and is seriously (and foolishly) doing this on purpose.
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And back to the topic of Andrew O’Keefe. It’s obvious Mel doesn’t like his banter. She is rude to him. Bring Sam to daytime Sunrise
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If either one of them understood the cost of raising children then this petition would not be needed.
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/parenting-payment-for-families-not-the-dole.html
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As a single person with no children I’m sick to death of being used as a cash cow for the fecund members of society. My parents raised four children and my sister five without the obscene baby bonus that was only introduced as a desperate vote gathering ploy by John Howard. I’m all for providing decent education and medical services but the expenses of having children is the responsibility of those who do the booking, nobody else.
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As the parent of two children born just before these handouts started, I agree with you completely. We made sacrifices and went without to provide for our kids, and now we are paying through our taxes for other people to have kids without having to make sacrifices.
It was and still is a discriminatory payment.
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The point is that you shouldn’t have to do without. We should have better systems & policies so that half of our workforce doesn’t have to break themselves trying to do both work & raise children or leave the workforce to raise the next generation of taxpayers.
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“The point is that you shouldn’t have to do without”
Do “without” what, exactly? Try to look at parenthood as the glass half-full rather than the glass half empty. You get to enjoy parenthood and its pleasures so that means you may have to forgo the goods you consumed before parenthood like wine or nights out. If having children is so awful then don’t do it. No-one is forcing you.
“…to raise the next generation of taxpayers.”
An old chestnut. No-one has children as a service to the nation. This faux altruism is almost offensive.
The baby bonus alone is akin to handing $5,000 to a 1,000 school children to spend as they like instead of spending $5,000,000 on a school.
Billions is being wasted, redistributing taxpayers’ cash into the hands of overcommitted people just because they have children. The spurious claim that children are “expensive” does not justify a subsidy. Baby will not suffer if Baby does not have the latest designer baby clothes, the gigantic all-terrain pram or nappies toted in a prestige-logo bag, or live in a 4×2 in a “nice” suburb.
Children themselves *should* be the direct beneficiaries of tax revenue and that means better schools, better education, better health care. This can steer children out of poverty. These have benefits for society. That is what creates the next generation of taxpayers.
It is not up to taxpayers to subsidise already privileged parents who want have their baby and eat out too.
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I don’t agree to this at all. My husband and I are planning to have children soon and even though we both work (full time) we wouldn’t be able to afford t take time off work without the bonus/paid leave scheme. I’m not talking about maintaining a very high end lifestyle either. We both have to work nearly 12 hour days sometimes just to afford what we have and that doesn’t even include a mortgage. I don’t see why I should have to go without having children just because our generation is doing it tough. I appreciate that the government is recognizing working couples and is trying to help us out in that respect.
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I’m glad I’m not the only one who has an Andrew O’Keefe guilty pleasure…
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Me too! I have such a big crush, its ridiculous how excited I was to see him in place of kochy this week!!
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If Abbott was so worried about the amount of money families get from the government, he wouldn’t be proposing to scrap the school kids bonus. I’d much rather get the school kids bonus twice a year for the length of their education, than a one off payment of $2000. Oh, and Abbott he cared so much about family and babies, he wouldn’t of chuffed off to play rugby while his wife was in labour with their first child. He’s such a caveman
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O – puhleeze!
Ms Gillard knows how to give as good as she gets, as as for ‘spin’ – she’s a doctor.
It’s working like a gem to divert our heads to every issue (including an appalling budget this week that will put the final nail in the coffin for small business) in favour of demonising Tony Abbot for sexism.
And Ms G has a lot of help, from journos and sites such as this.
All it appears she needs to do to move us from the issues crippling the country to tut-tutting about sexism is to drop by for yet another cup of tea at MM.
This is all so transparent it’s getting – well, embarrassing.
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ALL politicians infer or state that opposing parties are incompetent and inexperienced at everything. Amazes me how a standard political comment has been twisted by some as evidence that Abbott is a sexist misogynist. Storm in a teacup over this – as was Gillard’s comment comparing Abbott to Jack the Ripper – it’s politics, people!
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This whole post has made me sad. We seem to have women fighting against women about who has the most right to receive this bonus. Why can’t it be an all or nothing on both the baby bonus and paid parental leave. That would mean they are both income tested the same ways ie family income no greater than $150k for both systems.
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I don’t understand why this is even an issue about raising kids. There are budget cuts all over the place, so yes, hand outs, to everyone, get cut,. It’s economics and should be an economics argument. Can we afford it or not?
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Tony may’ve had to buy a double pram, but he didn’t use the baby bonus to do so (his kids are too old), so obviously managed without it. What was his point again?
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Not defending Tony (I’m not a fan) but I believe he was rebutting the idea that subsequent babies are always less expensive than the first one, by pointing out that if you have a small age gap between babies, you can’t reuse all the expensive gear you bought the first time around because baby #1 is still using it (eg cot), plus you’ll have to buy a (big, expensive) double pram.
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I have three kids, and the last two were very close together. Subsequent kids ARE less expensive! Yes, we had to buy a double pram and an extra cot, but that was completely doable. Especially if you ‘only’ had three grand instead of five. No problem at all.
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Yup. Exactly. I have 4 children – one was born before the baby bonus and the other 3 are foster children so I wasn’t eligible anyway.
My two youngest are 14 months apart so, like Mr Abbott, I had to buy cots, double prams etc. How did I afford it?
I bought second hand. If you can afford it, buy new. If you can’t buy second-hand.
It’s a no-brainer. Oh, and even buying new, it doesn’t cost $3,000!
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Why are we paying people to have children at all?
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The economy requires people (taxpayers) to function. We need an appropriate proportion of people in the workforce at all times, and that proportion has been in decline and there are economic concerns this will be a problem in a few decades. It is an incentive payment for those who need to sacrifice their current lifestyle (income plus other) in order to have these future citizens . You decide if it helps or not, but you asked why.
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Rubbish, it was a vote catcher from Howard, when we had klds my wife was not allowed to do any activity.We paid for someone to babysit and do the housework while I worked, we didn’t get any government handouts, nor expect any. There more than enough people on the planet now, its disgusting paying people to have kids, if they want them they pay for them. Also it doesn’t cost 5 or even 3 grand to have a baby.
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I am so sick of the entitlement that is exhibited by a lot of people when the Baby Bonus is thrown into discussion. It’s a bonus, a cash injection to help you on your way. You are not entitled to it, you do not have a right to it – the baby bonus started at $800 dollars, and yet all of this melodrama sounds as if they’re taking the lollipop out of your mouth.
Kids are expensive, you may have to scrape by, you might have to buy stuff second hand but as long as you have what you need, opposed to shiny, shiny products that you want, you’re part of a great majority of parents who existed and flourished prior to the bonus.
Re-use things, ask around, establish a network…People seem to be more interested in hand-outs rather than building a village or hitting up bargains online.
This whole MINE MINE MINE rhetoric surrounding a Liberal sponsored ploy to buy votes (and it worked, we’re all so dependent now – anybody who addresses or reduces that dependence = instant public enemy number 1). What did parents do BEFORE the baby bonus? Ho-hum and Fa.
By extension, just because a person doesn’t have children personally, doesn’t mean they have no experience or exposure to raising children or the struggles. Only somebody wishing to polarise and divide a malleable public would create this kind of black and white binary – political games played by little, despicable men (yeah, I’m talking to you, Abbot and Hockey).
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Well said, Jpop. I saw a perfect comment on another forum — from a parent too.
“It’s typical Abbott – taking cheap, personal shots at Gillard. You don’t have to have been to Antarctica to know it’s cold there, and you don’t have to have children to understand to costs involved.
That being said, I’m happy to see the baby bonus reduced (even better to have it disappear). My husband and I missed out on the bonus by a couple of months. We had to made sacrifices to our lifestyle to afford the drop in income; we even moved to a more affordable suburb. We now have 3 kids that we’ve managed to raised on a single income.
Baby products represent some of the most rampant conspicuous consumerism I’ve ever seen – so many are all about fashion over function and so many are completely unnecessary. Look at what our parents had when they raised us – they didn’t need bum-wipe warmers, electronic toys, and trolley seat covers ..let alone chewable baby iPad covers. They survived and so did we. Baby basics can be cheap, functional, safe and easily found in second hand stores if budgets are tight.
So many parents I know spent their baby bonus on new TVs and other unnecessary items for themselves – it’s ridiculous. Parenthood is a choice we make for love; we shouldn’t expect a handout for it.”
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Well said to both of you. My sentiments exactly.
I had my kids just before it was introduced. Lived on a single income for years while I stayed home to look after them till they reached school age. We had decided to hold off buying a house till after I could start working part time while the kids were at school, that way we didn’t have the financial pressure of a mortgage while we had young children.
What happened? We were a couple of years too late. House prices started going up from all the extra disposable income people were receiving but not working for. We have been a step behind ever since and like many of my peers who didn’t wait till their 30′s to have their families, we still don’t own our own home.
And they wonder why we are sick of hearing their whinging.
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Do they really have bum wipe warmers?
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Well said
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If you can’t afford children, don’t have them.
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Do you think he was trying to show how virile he is? Creepy as always. I’m a Liberal voter who won’t vote for Tony Abbott, Sophie Mirabella, Scott Morrison or that sadist shadow attorney general. I want Macolm Turnbull for PM.
I agree it was middle class welfare. Most of the people I know went and bought a big bogan flat screen tv – so all the money went to Gerry Harvey. Give it where it is needed!
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big bogan flat screen TV???
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I am sorry, but I think this whole thing is getting out of hand. Why isn’t a father of children allowed to refer to his experience as a parent who has had to purchase all of this stuff, without being sexist. So what. If it was a reverse situation and the Prime Minister had gone for Tony Abbott, there wouldn’t even be a ripple. I am a woman who has step-children and grandchildren and fully appreciates the costs of family raising and support. But just because I am a woman doesn’t mean I am the only one allowed to comment about having experience in child rearing and funding. I believe that men are still currently involved in this process or should we wipe them out of that to?
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I think the issue isn’t that he referred to himself as understanding the difficulties in raising young kids as he is experienced in this area but that he referred to the ‘other side’ as being inexperienced in raising kids. However, when you take a look at it many of the ‘other side’ do have personal experience except Julia Gillard so it comes across as more of a direct jibe at her rather than a reference to how he is experienced. It seems more of a negatively worded statement about her, than a positive one about himself.
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Also, if you read any interview with Tony and Margie Abbott over the years, they both make it very clear that he has been an absent father; that for the girls’ formative years, he was away doing his “politics and iron-man thing” while she was, effectively, a single mother.
Interestingly, she doesn’t appear to have minded …
But the point it, for all his talk about parenthood it sounds like he actually isn’t as experienced as he pretends he is. I suspect that’s what Tanya Plibersek was hinting at when she asked him to come over to their house (where there is a young baby) to give her the benefit of all his years of “experience”
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bo·nus [boh-nuhs]
noun, plural bo·nus·es.
1. something given or paid over and above what is due.
2. a sum of money granted or given to an employee, a returned soldier, etc., in addition to regular pay, usually in appreciation for work done, length of service, accumulated favors, etc.
3. something free, as an extra dividend, given by a corporation to a purchaser of its securities.
4. a premium paid for a loan, contract, etc.
5. something extra or additional given freely: Every purchaser of a pound of coffee received a box of cookies as a bonus.
Given. Free. ie NOT a right.
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I think you get my point Bec. Working away inflates your income but then makes you the same as the next family earning over $150k working around town. its hardly fair that you means test the childcare rebate on FIFO workers. The means test system is unfair. I don’t want sympathy I just want them to get rid of the lot.
Those that think I am harsh about getting educated for a better job then the reality is that everyone thought they were going to grow up and be an astronaut or a ballet dancer but the facts are that BHP and Chevron have no job vacancies for a ballet dancer and won’t in the future. Get Real. Get a job in something pays well in Australia. Pay your own way! It’s been a Robin Hood govt for too long.
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Didn’t the libs bring in the baby bonus in the first place?
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But what inflates FIFO workers’ salaries is living away from home allowance, which is tax-free and therefore isn’t included in the means test for child are rebate.
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Gee whiz, it’s hard to know where to start with this…
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‘He’s not someone who punches walls.’
No, he isn’t.
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i beg to disagree, as does the women who was involved in the infamous wall punching incident. she has just commenced legal proceedings against people in the libs who spoke ill of her
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oh great that will be fodder for this site to write at least 60 articles about how bad Tony Abbott is
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So I have a university degree plus several TAFE qualifications. I choose to work in the community services sector. I choose to work with YOUR children. I choose to work with your MENTALLY HANDICAPPED family members. I choose to work with your ELDERLY relatives. I choose to work with your MENALLY ILL family and friends. I choose to work with your ADDICTED TO ???? family and friends. I choose to work with our countries HOMELESS. I choose to work with SUICIDAL PEOPLE. I choose to work with ABBUSE victims. Please…tell me again how I should become better educated so I can earn more $$$. Heartless comments like that are what keep the community services sector under paid and under staffed. Contractual work like in the community services sector, are what screws otherwise financially sound plans over, so that some families do rely on the BB. And are utterly grateful for it, humbled by it. Agree it is a BONUS, not a right.
Because people like me shouldn’t have children until I can afford them? Well let me tell you something….the entire community services sector would be childless if we waited to be paid/employed properly. Remember this post next time you let a “glib” comment like that escape. Because without people like me, the most vunerable of our nation would be so much worse off.
Oh and please ladies and gentlemen, let’s call a horse a horse. Though I think Julia is the better of a bad bunch, I also believe she has every right to be insulted. All women do. If you want to complain about her policies, snarkiness, underhanded stinkin’ politics…be my guest. But TA needs to be muzzled and replaced. His views and more importantly, his comments are blantently dripping in sexist undertones, overtones…all tones really.
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You have used up your shouty quota for the month.
I have worked in the disability sector for over 20 years and we never refer to people with disabilities as mentally handicapped, so maybe slow down with throwing accusations of heartlessness around for a bit.
I chose to work in this field also and because of that I don’t expect people to thank me for working with a vulnerable population of our community nor was I silly enough to not check out the likely income I could get BEFORE choosing my career.
The whole martyr thing is over the top.
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What a disgrace – the baby bonus should be at least $20,000 per child. Neither $5k nor $3k comes even close to covering both winter and summer ranges of Burberry baby clothes. What happens if Victoria Beckham releases her long anticipated children’s range? And I can’t expect my husband to share my Oroton baby bag, when there’s a perfectly good Storksak male version (yup, the one Brad Pitt had, but the brown one, not the black one). But doesn’t the government know that there would be nothing left to pay for my post baby tummy tuck? I can’t be expected to go to Thailand for my plastic surgery. Shame on you Government people.
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Oh now your just being silly. Why aren’t you focusing on something that matters like the Labor Party relegating a fine politician like Penny Wong to 2nd on their ticket. Oh did I mention it was 2nd to a man..
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As so many people have said here, it’s a bonus, not an entitlement. I am looking to have children soon, haven’t yet because we’re not ready, including financially. But under no circumstance do it expect the country to help fund my decision to have children. We citizens really need to take a step back and have a look at what we have got here. We are so dam lucky and so well looked after here. I think some people need to be dropped in the middle of a developing country and take a look around at what the differences are to here in Australia. I’m sure we’d all come running back home. We’re most certainly not hard done by.
And yes, I believe Tony A was having a nasty snide remark at the PM, yet again.
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How is this comment any more offensive then someone telling a rich person they don’t understand poverty or a working person understand the emotions of unemployment ? Sure Julia wouldn’t know about the nitty gritty of child raring . I doesn’t mean she is less of a woman or politician.
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No, it just means that she, like everyone else, has not the first damn clue about the responsibilities of childraising.
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Abbott knows naff-all about child-birth but that did not stop him from intervening in regulating therapeutic goods to ban RU486.
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I’m reading some of the comments below and I can’t believe the sense of entitlement and middle class welfare that exists in Australia. I was grateful to receive the baby bonus for my children but still to this day felt guilty about receiving money that should have been going to better our hospitals or schooling systems.
I think the majority of Australia lives such a sheltered life from what real poverty looks like. I’d be interested to know how many people whinging about the baby bonus have a smartphone or a tablet, a TV and DVD player, are able to afford takeaway or a special treat once a fortnight or even once a month, are able to afford a few days away somewhere once a year. If you are reading this and you think I can’t afford any of this, then you definitely need the baby bonus. For the rest if you really want to know what struggle looks like, check out the post on Mammamia yesterday by Laura Hill about Child Marriage, check out the Cambodian children that live on Stung Meanchey dump in Phnom Penh and collect rubbish to live, go visit Father Chris Riley’s Youth of the Street to see kids in Australia that really need help.
PS – I’m not a massive Julia fan but I’ve been double fist pumping her calling out Tony Abbott on being sexist because he is, and yesterday’s comment is just another example.
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Here here.
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*Thunderous applause. *
Anyone on here who
(a) has a home computer
(b) has an ISP account (which means, usually, access to credit)
(c) is literate
is not doing it tough.
Standing in the supermarket aisle deciding between rib fillet or T-bone is not struggling.
The bottom line is that despite all of the endless hand-wringing and angst about the state of the nation’s children, assistance isn’t being directed toward kids at the greatest risk. It’s a charade designed by and for entitlement-poisoned middle-class child makers who aren’t thrilled with the consequences of their own choices, who either feel guilty that they don’t spend enough time with their children or are irate at the financial impact that children have on them after having lived as DINKS – and who, after decades of funding welfare for the poor, no matter how parsimonious, are now demanding theirs.
How shameful.
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“Anyone on here who
(a) has a home computer
(b) has an ISP account (which means, usually, access to credit)
(c) is literate
is not doing it tough.”
I receive the parenting payment single, and got a new laptop for uni after my old one finally gave up the ghost earlier this year. I paid for it with an advance payment of my parenting payment (You get the whole amount you regularly get per fortnight, then pay it back over 6 months out of your fortnightly payment).
I don’t have a credit card, I have debit cards, but that doesn’t matter as I have prepaid for my mobile and my internet.
It’s a bit like the people who were all “How very DARE they” about the families on that 4 Corners story about Claymore having tvs. It’s really not that expensive to get this stuff, and it’s pretty well a necessity – Centrelink try to make you do everything online now, I think people probably take it for granted how reliant we are on the internet and access to it nowadays.
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imagine TA representing Australia on the world stage….seriously, we would look like idiots. Serious foot in mouth problem.
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Exactly.
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Really? Wayne Swan has referred to the likely winners of the US election as ‘cranks and crazies?’ Ms Gillard has painted Australian men as sexist pigs and us as an ignorant backwater. Despite having meaningful discussions with the Indonesians that Ms Gillard called Abbott a gutless coward.
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Why does everything get turned into a sexism debate? I am about to have my second baby and they’ll be 12 months apart. We have bought a second cot, double pram, second high chair etc and while we don’t qualify for any financial assistance whatsoever, I have to say I agree with Tony Abbott. Stop bringing sexism into it- he can’t help that he’s been a father and had his kids 15 months apart just as the PM can’t help that she hasn’t. Neither should be blamed for their choices in the family department.
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Hear, hear
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Totally agree, so sick of everyone jumping at sexism at the drop of a hat….a man’s hat of course!
I am female and cant stand it, makes women look like they are causing a problem for themselvs…not the equality we have been working so hard over for decades.
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People are jumping on sexism at the drop of a hat because despite decades of working hard it still persists; women don’t have equality.
The fact that people including females like yourself would prefer to the victims to shut up and take it, shows that the struggle isn’t over and that you weren’t in it in the first place.
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No it has been pretty bad since Julia Gillard became Prime Minister. And it is not just Tony Abbott although he has been riding it with glee. Some of those protesters (mostly middle aged and beyond white males and their unbelievably idiotic wives and partners ) aka Liberal party, NLP supporters with their repulsive sexist signs were Neanderthal in their fury. It embarrassed the hell out of me as an Australian. I saw blatant sexism and racism (by white and black Americans) in the USA and was quite smug about how much better it was here but since Julia Gillard’s time as PM I have had to reappraise that. I thought that sort of backward thinking was only to be found in the most impoverished and under educated of our communities.
I cheered when Julia Gillard finally took Tony Abbott to task, and how well she did that too, but I still feel that she let it go on far too long.
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Completely agree…I am so over every remark being turned into a sexist or misogynist remark…get over it people!!!Julia is drumming up as much of this as she can with her party to take the attention of the terrible job she is doing as PM..I am not a fan of either her or Tony & so sick of the “if it has boobs we must support it!”
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Really, the PM hasn’t drummed up anything – the only thing she’s said about this latest incident at all was in response to a journalist asking her what she though Abbott meant by the remark, and her saying you’d have to ask him what he meant. That’s hardly drumming anything up – as far as I can tell, the media were asking the question. She’s said nothing about it being sexist at all. Her speech on Abbott’s past misogyny quoted plenty of horrible examples of Abbott being sexist. If you’re using someone’s own comments, that’s not drumming up, that’s pointing out.
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It bothers me that people think they are entitled to something upon the birth of a child. If you can’t afford one, don’t have one.
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So if I understand you correctly…you believe only the wealthy and privileged should have children?? I find this elitist and a lot of other “ist’s” as well.
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I think you’ll find that people other than ‘wealthy and privileged’ had kids before the baby bonus.
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I had my kids before the baby bonus was invented, and it wasn’t that long ago (youngest is 13). We saved up before the baby came, we bought the pram and car seat new, and everything else second hand. I had the baby as a public patient, breastfed, and then fed my babies food I had cooked not baby jars. Used cloth nappies and went out a lot less than pre children. My friends and i were always passing bags of second hand clothes around. All of these things were considered completely normal among my peers – none of us would have spent anywhere near $5000 on bub over a year, unless it was for private hospital or for childcare to go back to work. i think people get used to the idea that expensive things will be bought for them for their babies by the government, and forget there are other ways to manage. I am a big supporter of parents but I don’t think the baby bonus cut is a problem.
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When I was living in the USA people could not believe something like the BB existed. They couldn’t fathom it. We are SO lucky in this country. Yet so many whingers. Go visit skid row in L.A and you’ll see people who need some damn welfare.
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i guess if tony’s going down this line, he can only comment on white, over-privileged men. right?
people saying julia is screaming sexism….ummmm she actually didn’t seem to mind. it was everyone else who realised what a complete idiot tony is. julia’s ability to run a country is not based on whether she has kids or not.
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I’m getting really fed up with how pro-Gillard this site is. I don’t favour either party, but I’m finding this really off-putting.
Not an Abbott fan, but I think he has a serious case of foot-in-mouth.
Sexism, online bullying, gay marriage – these are all VERY important things, but since when did the media agenda become so incredibly narrow? There are plenty of other important discussions we need to be having.
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I agree. Assuming that because I am female I should vote for labor is like saying African Americans should vote for Obama.
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Well said MissE and Anonymous. I agree whole heartedly.
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can i just add an alternative opinion?
I LOVE that this site has run some pro-ALP posts.
jamila can write about politics each and every day and i’d be very happy.
such a nice change from the rest of the MSM who are so pro-tony it makes me want to puke.
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I am so outraged by this post & Wayne Swan and his idiotic statements that the second child costs less. It is time to stop playing the gender card and talk about what this is really about, BAD DECISIONS! This is laughable! My own partner went along & agreed with this stupid statement until I listed out all the additional expenses that came along siblings (Two cots, double pram, two car seats, bigger car, more food, more nappies, more wipes & with the mother out of workforce longer the family is already struggling under one income) Tony Abbot is absolutely right that the government is completely out of touch with the average Australian family. Time to take a walking down the baby ailse of the supermarket & see how much everything REALLY costs! How can they justify leaving alone the paid parental scheme & reduce the baby bonus. Isn’t that forcing mothers back into the workforce sooner after their first child so that they can qualify for assistance with their second child?
I am totally fed up with this political correctness and watching what they say, why can’t we just stand up and call it what it is.
Amy Stockwell you missed the point! Real mothers arn’t hyperventilating about sexism or what who said what to whom any more than were are concerned about which child started it, we are concerned about the fiscal management, higher taxes, housing affordability, the cost of fuel, daycare costs & availability.
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Margreta, the baby bonus is not a human right. You are not entitled to it just because you have a baby.
This is a “bonus” to encourage the population to procreate and not a means to afford a second child.
I am genuinely suprised when I hear opinions like yours. I have a child myself on middle income and although I am extremely thankful for any bonuses that the government might hand out, I have never had the mindset that it is my god given right as an Australian born citizen.
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Curioser, I agree completely. We are a low income family with 2 young children. It can be tight, we go without luxurious and holidays, use the credit card a fair bit and make do. I wouldn’t feel ripped off by getting $3000 now instead of $5000, it’s still a cash bonus for something that you very much want (ie a baby) so I think of it as a much appreciated gift rather than a right!
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As a family not entitled to any handouts or benefits or rebates and taxed through the wazoo and a family that has two children very close together I was outraged at the flippant remarks about subsequent babies being cheaper. Families come in all different shapes & sizes and backgrounds sometimes there just isn’t anyone to beg borrow or steal that second cot from and you just have to bite the bullet and buy that extra cot. Or in our case sometimes you have to move home because everything in your 2nd pregnancy is highrisk & every extra penny counts.
While we don’t receive anything, I do feel entitled to know where my money is going and outraged at this machette slashing budget. When so many people are doing it tough why are we not working smarter not harder? Why did Gillards pay jump to $473K? When so many are doing it tough.
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“…I do feel entitled to know where my money is going.”
Read Senate Budget Estimates, Additional Estimates and Supplementary Estimates.
Also read the Annual reports of each department.
Also read the publications of the Australian Audit Office.
All are online.
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You do sound very cranky! We were able to re use our cot, change table, toys, linen, clothes, blankets… almost everything. I do not necessarily think it’s the Government’s responsibility to pay us thousands of dollars when we have a baby so we can buy wipes and nappies. I think we should be fairly bloody pleased that we live in a country that not only gives us free healthcare and free child health nurses to visit, but also pays us every time we have a baby.
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Margareta, when I hear opinions like yours, I am amazed at how spoilt we can be in the first world. It’s not the Government’s responsibility to pay for your baby-related costs, if you genuinely can’t afford it, then why have one (and two)?
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I reused my capsule (for the car) 4 times, 2 car seats twice each, two cots (2nd hand) twice each, the bassinet (2nd hand) 4 times, 2 prams twice each and used cloth nappies the vast majority of the time. I’m still handing down clothes and my youngest is 9. I am not buying either child any new clothes this summer, just odds and ends(pyjamas, socks, undies etc).
To be quite honest, once you’ve bought your baby equipment, babies really aren’t that expensive (with the notable exception of childcare and that is liable for fee relief). Teenagers can be terribly expensive, on the other hand.
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Yeah, Faybian. I don’t know anyone who had totally gotten rid of everything from bub number 1 (most of my friends with kids K’s age are on our first ones) because they are starting to have or try for second kids now, don’t know for sure that they’re done, or they’re holding on to stuff for brothers/sisters/friends who are getting set to have babies and pass it on. Precisely because IT’S EXPENSIVE and that gear lasts for aaaaaaaaaaaages. We inherited tons of clothes and toys. If people spend up and can’t reuse anything for any subsequent kids, more fool them, and if you feel the need for all brand new stuff for subsequent kids, that is pretty greedy too.
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I shared some of my big purchases around family and friends too, in between babies. The bassinet in particular did the rounds. I think it had 7 kids in my family in total sleep in it and we got it 2nd hand.
The same goes for clothes too. My 12 year old is now happily accepting clothes off her 25 year old sister (sadly they pretty much fit her, sob). We have a good income, but I just can’t justify spending bucket loads on this stuff. More expensive doesn’t always equal best/safest. For big purchases I often read choice first and the dearest items aren’t always rated highest.
As for chewable iPad covers or baby wipe Warner’s, don’t get me started.
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I had my first child in 1981 and the baby bonus then, which I believe was the princely sum of about $200, ceased to exist a few months before my son was born. I went on to have four children and lo and behold the baby bonus was reintroduced 18 months after my last child was born. Suck it up all of you. The unemployment rate was much higher, the economy was going through massive and uncomfortable changes, interest rates on our home at one stage were over 17% and there was no raft of payments and subsidies to smooth all the bumps in the road. Kids were not fat, lazy and spoilt as many are today and they did not get every toy that they laid eyes on. My kids have turned out very well and I am extremely proud of them. To be quite frank, a universal dental scheme would be a far better investment for the Australian Government and of benefit to ALL Australians.
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I thought it was a disgusting comment, and everyone knew exactly what he meant by it. What is extraordinary is that he would say such a thing a mere week after ‘Misogyny Gate’.
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wow, I am amazed that there are women out there that support Tony. The schoolyard bully who cries anytime someone speaks up about his demeaner. Supported by all those that BELIEVE that Tony is being victimised for false accusations. Because no one is ever allowed to speak up against bullying, that would make you a bully.
I never heard a word in support from these people when the PM just sat there for what 15 months or more of constant bullying, constant attacks, but as soon as there is a response, it is “too much”, “I am all over this bickering”.
Well take a bloody good look at yourselves and wonder whether you would put up with the sort of shit being thrown at your daughter or your son at school, would you praise him or her for standing up for themselves? for bringing to attention the crap that is flung?
There are policies with both parties in this that I dislike intensely, but what I hate more than anything is the enshrined belief that any bullying is supported.
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I think it’s incredibly sexist. I’m so tired of it. There are many women in my demographic who neither feel the need or desire to have children. And that’s okay. Who is he to judge us.
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I don’t think what Mr Abbott said was that bad. I am sick of the media trapping a few small lines and whipping up a storm.
I was more offended at Mr Hockey comparing this policy to the one child policy in China- making out it is a god given right to receive $5000 for having a baby .
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Hockey’s response was frightening. He could be the Treasurer in 12 months.
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Me too! And apparently he made some comment about the $2000 being needed for the anaesthetist?!
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WTF? I’m actually glad I missed that…..
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I don’t like Tony Abbott.
To me has never come across as a strong, capable or intelligent leader.
He seems to be able to say the wrong thing, at the wrong time, with alarming regularity and I can never tell if he is a fool or being sly?
The idea of him representing this country standing with other leaders makes me cringe.
However, the comment made yesterday really was not sexist (or dare I say the word – used more in this campaign than in the history of the world – misogynist) and I think the way the media is running with it, will actually alienate more supporters of the government rather than make more people side with them.
If he did mean it then please Tony, we don’t need to see every damn woman you know, or ever have known, strutted out on display for us to see again. Please not again.
It will not make us believe ‘that you love women’ it just reeks of desperation.
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I agree on the trotting out the women in supportive roles in his life. What about the women who are leaders that you champion Tony?
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The PM’s approval rating rose after the speech (rose 1 point for women, 5 points for men) and Labor are now 2 points behind in the 2PP, down from 16 points behind in July.
Abbott is pulling down the entire Liberal vote. Gillard hopes to make the election before they realise it and put in Turnbull.
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“…and put in Turnbull.”
Or parachute in Mal Brough just as the LNP did with Campbell in Queensland. At least that is what is being whispered by those who whisper.
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Agree, JG should thank her lucky stars that she has a bumbling, loathsome idiot to compete against. I’ve noticed the msm had put out a few “feeler” articles to gauge TA’s popularity. You know things are bad when even the staunchly right wing msm can’t save him.
I too cringe at the thought of him representing us. George Bush, anyone?
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The baby bonus was introduced by Howard to buy votes in areas like Caroline Springs or the City of Casey. Lots and lots of young families, not very high incomes or education levels. This worked and he was elected.
We need to remember this for what it is and not see the baby bonus as an entitlement or a need. In the US there is no public health care at all and a “baby bonus” from the government would be a laughable concept.
Paid parental leave is a step forward for this country and we probably should phase out the baby bonus entirely.
Received baby bonus myself for first child and went overseas! Received government paid parental leave the second time which was used in place of my income and it was absolutely fantastic.
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I find this comment offensive, I am from City of Casey and am currently studying for my second degree ( so somewhat educated I believe). This area has a lot of young families I agree, but I have come across mainly well educated young professionals starting families and buying in the area as the hugely inflated property market prices closer to city or wherever you find better educated people put most first time home buyers out of the market. You make it sound like we are a bunch of uneducated fools, with votes for sale.. I have 3 children, I was back at work within a week with my first 2 children and I had an essay due within a week of my third being born as I have left work to study. PLease dont lump all people in such a diverse and large municipality as City of Casey and I am sure Caroline Springs as one homogenous group… generalisations are never accurate or useful
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I am a woman and can’t believe so many other women have fallen for this smear campaign against Tony Abbott, and how so many other women ‘bought’ Julia Gillard’s speech labeling him a mysognist.
And it’s serious because people will vote at the next election based on misconceptions fuelled by sensational headlines.
We are encouraged to hate everything that comes out of Tony Abbott’s mouth, because he is a SEXIST MYSOGNIST. And this post is everwhere all of the site, just at the same convenient time our clever Prime Minister is paying a visit to win the popularity contest.
I do not agree with the NBM, I do not agree with the Climate Tax and I do not agree that I should miss out on funding to help with my future family. I hate that the government thinks the public are fools, and that’s what we are if we fall for the constant sexism rants. They are clap trap, as my grandmother would say.
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You may not agree with the NBN, but people in country Australia (like my parents) may disagree with you there. You may not agree with a climate tax but both sides of politics did for years before this opposition government.
Howard re-introduced the baby bonus to lift the declining birth rate to increase the tax base. Some think it made sense at the time when the country was booming, but during these economic times it makes sense to scale it back.
As for the ‘smear campaign’ you can’t make up things that people have said. I’ve disliked Abbott since he was health minister – nothing to do with this government at all. I’m a swinging voter, but if Tony Abbott becomes PM, he’ll continue to divide the country just as this government has done.
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Charlie, people (yes, people, not just women) are celebrating Julia Gillard’s speech about sexism and misogyny mostly with the refrain of “FINALLY. It’s about time”. It’s not a smear campaign when it’s stuff that TA has actually said. Quoting someone with what they’ve said isn’t a smear campaign. Calling someone out on stuff they have said isn’t a smear campaign.
What is the NBM? Do you mean NBN? Why would you not agree with people having access to the internet?
I don’t mind you having a problem with the Climate Tax or anything else if you can back it up, but you can’t complain about taxes, then complain that there may be a cut to govt handouts for having kids.
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Tony Abbott has been called on his sexism ONCE. The public are not fools. And thank Christ for that.
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So outside of the continuous crying wolf of sexism, etc. I have a serious question about this baby bonus cut. Currently families have to choose between the baby bonus and the paid maternity leave payments. Some women – business owners, some contractors and women who have not been in continuous employment for 10 months (from memory) are not entitled to the paid maternity leave scheme. So effectively Labor is putting these women at a disadvantage and cutting these women’s “Maternity leave payments” by reducing the baby bonus. I would like the PM and Wayne Swan to explain why they would do this to women.
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And I would like those women to explain why they need the government to pay them for having children. Even the full Baby Bonus (BONUS being the operative word, nobody is ‘owed’ this at all) of $5000 is paid, it’s not going to go a long way. If you’re relying on government assistance to have a baby, it might be time to rethink your choices.
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I couldn’t agree more Anon, just how entitled can you get?
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I can’t explain it exactly bit I have been a recipient of both – it would mean your family tax benefit is greater as the paid parental leave is counted as taxable income and the baby bonus isn’t.
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I think this is a common misconception. Many single income families dont claim any family tax benefit. I know we dont. My husband supports our family and I am a stay at home mum. We’re not living lifestyles of the rich and famous, however we can live happily without claiming it, and truly believe that we shouldnt claim it as it is available to those who need it. I know many other families in the same position. So it is nice to think that, upon the arrival of a new baby a baby bonus payment is made in recognition of the extra expenses incurred at this time, especially as we otherwise financially fullt self sufficien and have to utilise the private medical cover we are forced to take out. Out of pocket expenses for having a baby in a private hospital is not even remotely covered by the baby bonus.
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Agree, there are SOOOOO many Australian families that are eligible for a family tax benefit and don’t claim it either because they don’t want the paperwork or don’t understand how to claim it. Wonder what Wayne Swan’s budget would look like if all the families disadvantaged by the baby bonus change claimed what they are entitled to claim Family Tax wise.
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Actually, there’s nothing forcing you to have your baby in the private system and pay all that money just because you have private health insurance. You’re entitled to use the public system and not pay a cent, just like everyone else. The public system has statistically better outcomes for mums and babies, and it’s free. If you CHOOSE to she’ll out for your choice of doctor, private room and nicer food, that’s your choice, but I see no reason why taxpayers should subsidise it for you any more than we already do.
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The interesting thing is that you’re NOT forced to take out private health insurance. Yes, if you’re over a certain income level you will be charged extra Medicare levy, but it’s still significantly less than private health insurance costs you over that year. Neither are you obliged to have your baby in a private hospital where you will incur a gap fee from basically everyone you see there. It is still possible to have your baby at a public hospital.
Not sure about single income families as we are double income, but if you would have to pay the Medicare levy, I didn’t think you would be eligible for FTB anyway.
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Ah, no it’s NOT significantly less than private health insurance. We have to pay $150 in insurance every fortnight and, over the year, it’s roughly the same as what we would have to pay in Medicare surcharge. Either way, we’re stung so we ARE forced to take it.
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Well, that’s not our experience. Compare 2000 for the year from both for the extra Medicare levy off us to 380 odd per month (x12 equalling roughly 4500) for private health insurance. I would guess that private health insurance has cost us a fair bit more, wouldn’t you? BTW, these are pretty recent figures. We only went back into the private health system a couple of years ago.
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I wish our income was enough for it to be a problem in the first place.
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maybe check the centrelink website for Parental leave details before bothering the PM and treasurer. : ) Contractors and business owners are entitled to claim paid parental leave, there are restrictions around how many hours you have to have worked in the year prior to having the baby, but more or less if you work you can claim it.
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I think the most interesting part about Tony Abbott’s gaffe is the PM wasn’t upset! Everyone is furious over the comment, except the person that it was supposedly directed at!
I don’t really understand the outrage over the reduction in the baby bonus. Granted, I don’t have kids so I would have no idea about the costs to raise one. I once read a piece written by someone who thought the best thing to do is get rid of the baby bonus altogether and instead implement an “education bonus” where the parent receives lump sum payments depending on how often their child attends school.
To me, this sounds like a brilliant plan.
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Granted you don’t have children.. You wouldnt be aware that the years prior to school age are the toughest & most important years for parents.
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Margareta, if it’s so hard and you can’t afford it, then why do it?
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Anonymous, its clear you don’t have kids with your continuous “If you cant afford it don’t have kids” statements everywhere. Why on earth should having bucket loads of money dictate whether or not you can have kids? Is this the reason so many women are putting off having kids until they are 40 and more financially stable and then realising that they have left it too late?
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haha.. did you just use the same ÿou wouldn’t understand cause you don’t have kids” line on Anonymous… all I can say is you’d better not be a man The Wizz
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Aaaah the good old “you can’t understand cause you don’t have kids” line.
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If they are the toughest and most important years, why then do we have a culture that rewards parents who return to work and outsource care when their babies are small and penalise parents who take full responsibility for their childrens care themselves?
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Actually speaking from experience the teen years are the toughest and equally important.
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