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Rape is easy to get away with: lad mag

Men can’t tell the difference between lad’s magazines and rapists. You might remember the startling story we ran on Mamamia that revealed the study of quotes taken from the mags and convicted rapists (and how some men got confused between the two). Well now UK online magazine UniLad ran an article that had this quote: “If the girl you’ve taken for a drink [...] won’t ‘spread for your head’, think about this mathematical statistic: 85% of rape cases go unreported. That seems to be fairly good odds.” But there was a disclaimer: “Uni Lad does not condone rape without saying ‘surprise’.” The site eventually pulled the article after sustained criticism, then took to Twitter to ask one critic if she ‘was a dyke’ before apologising once and for all, taking down the site waiting for a relaunch. “We would like to make a public apology as it has come to our attention that one of the articles published on our site suggests we support non-consensual sex. [...] Any flippant comments that may have been made during discussions, I also apologise for, it will not happen again. We are certainly going to be cleaning up our act on unilad.com. We do appreciate where you are coming from with your points, hence forth, an immediate change in material. Thank you, and sorry once again.”

Police raid, close down dog ‘meat farm’

A Victorian joint-taskforce of 26 police officers, RSPCA officers, department heads and local council raided and closed down an animal farm which butchered and sold animals for human consumption. They found dozens of animals, including goats, chickens, dogs, reptiles, horses, pigs and an emu. It was alleged a man who lives on the property sold dog meat to about 100 customers for between $100 and $350. The witness said the dogs were found through public notices that advertised the animals as free to a good home.

Government cuts payments to foster families

The O’Farrell New South Wales Government has cut crucial foster care payments to families who are the guardians of 16 and 17-year-olds. The move means most will be up to $214 a fortnight worse off. 1100 carers are affected by the change, effective from January. Helen and Brian MacDonald are two foster carers who say they will refuse to care for their children, who have been with them for more than six years. ”We’re doing this on principle,” Mrs MacDonald said. ”We’re not doing this out of greed. There’s a small group of us caring for 16- and 17-year-olds so they think there’s only a few people to whinge about it. It looks like our foster children’s lives will be traumatised again due to the government’s changes to the allowance.” The Department making the cuts introduced them because when kids turned 16 they received Youth Allowance (the same dollar value as the foster payment cut) from the Federal Government and told carers to ‘negotiate’ with their kids to contribute to household expenses. But families also lose more than $200 from the family tax benefits. The total spending cut will save the NSW Government $7 million a year. Worth it?

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Menna and her daughter

Mum likes to climb … with baby on her back

Mother Menna Pritchard has sparked something of a controversy around the world after images of her rock climbing with her toddler daughter strapped to her back were published online. Her daughter, who is two, can be seen without a helmet as she ‘top ropes’ up a cliff. “I can appreciate if you didn’t realise how safe the environment I was in, it could be worrying, but I was top-roping which means if you fall you don’t fall any further than where you came off,” Ms Pritchard said. “It is the safest form of climbing you can do. I was also in a beach environment surrounded by experienced climbers.” She said health and safety legislation and the sue-and-blame culture has made people afraid to take risks – something she embraces. “Life is all about risks, whether that’s something as simple as getting in your car every day or climbing up a rock face.” Angela Mollard wrote in her column about this same issue: should we give up risks when we have kids?

Is the Prime Minister in trouble?

It’s become almost a regular spot of prophecy, but reports are circulating again that Julia Gillard is having trouble keeping herself in the top job. Sydney Morning Herald chief political correspondent Phillip Coorey wrote: “One factional boss, who is loyal to Ms Gillard, said yesterday: ”There’s been quite a shift over summer” and ”she’s in trouble”. “On Tuesday, Mr Rudd’s cabinet colleague, Simon Crean, labelled him a prima donna and told him to drop his ambition to return to the leadership. Mr Rudd said he was ”proud to be a member of this ministerial team, which is very strong, very dedicated, very hard-working and in which Simon himself plays a very positive role. I play my own part and will continue to do so.” Asked if he supported Ms Gillard, Mr Rudd replied ”of course”.

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Amy Winehouse

Amy Winehouse report into death might have to be done again

The Australian coroner who ruled last October that Amy Winehouse died as a result of ‘misadventure’ due to the ‘unintended consequences’ of drinking alcohol was not qualified for the job and has resigned. But the 30 inquests Suzanne Greenaway presided over, including Winehouse’s, have now been thrown into uncertainty. Officials insist the verdicts on all will remain unless the results are challenged in the high court. According to the rules, Greenaway should have been a solicitor in the Law Society for at least five years, but she had only been part of the organisation for two-and-a-half. She should also have served five years as a “qualified medical practitioner”, but the Australian only qualified as a nurse in her native country. She was appointed by her husband.

The outrageous Superbowl ad (about abortions).

A so-called Presidential candidate in the US is using election laws to hijack the Superbowl airwaves in order to show a graphic anti-abortion television ad which features a bloody fetus. The law states that a candidate must be given unrestricted access to advertising to tout their message. This means his ad will be shown around key states in America. Though NBC, Chicago, is trying to stall. They don’t think he’s a legitimate candidate. In order to be taken seriously, Randall Terry has to show he’s done enough old-school campaigning. In other, related news, Democratic Senator Janet Howell tried to inset a cheeky amendment into an abortion bill in Virginia that would force women to have an ultrasound with the results described in detail to them before going ahead with an abortion. She thought she’d get even by inserting an amendment that would require men to get a rectal exam before seeking treatment for erectile dysfunction. “We need some gender equity here,” she said. “The Virginia senate is about to pass a bill that will require a woman to have totally unnecessary medical procedure at their cost and inconvenience. If we’re going to do that to women, why not do that to men?”

The ads are too graphic to show here but if you really want to see them, be warned, and go here.

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    Em

    The rock climber seemed clueless… The toddler doesn’t look happy and a bit sunburned (where’s the hat & helmet?). Take risks yourself mummy all you like, not with your kid in tow. And then post on Internet. I think she’s being justifiably criticized. And what has being in a beach environment got to do with it? She’s still at height isn’t she?

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    Misswhisk

    Oh God, I wish I had not read about the man with the ‘dog meat’ farm. Seeing the picture as well brought me to tears. In fact most of the above topics are just so awful I can’t bear reading anymore. I think I will sign off and go watch some escapist tv show.

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    archie

    As a rock climber and a mother to a two year old, that photo makes me furious.

    Yes, top roping is the safest kind of climbing she could be doing, but
    1) to climb with yourself in a helmet and the baby without is just ridiculous,
    2) the kid doesn’t appear to be in a five point harness. I don’t know how she’s strapped in, but she should at least be in a waist harness with shoulder straps. If she flips, she could fall straight out.

    I started climbing and abseiling at around three, but it was on tiny walls, and I was well harnessed, helmeted, and on my own. I loved it! Sure, accept risk, but mitigate it as much as you can. To me, that mother is just plain foolish.

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    katietanks

    Is the ‘Watercooler’ the new ‘News’ in the a.m? When did the name change?
    No one sent me the memo….sigh.

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      Rick Morton

      Changed it this morning and yes, same old news but it gives us flexibility to include buzzy topics that you might not see in your usual old media news bulletin :)

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    Anon

    I agree with Anon for this one. It disgusts me that a magazine chose to tell their audience that they had ‘fairly good odds’ on getting away with it even if the reality is that they do.

    I was raped at 25 in a foreign country while I was travelling by myself and I was too frightened and ashamed to report what happened to me, my rapist got away with it. I know there are many women who’ve had similar experiences and never reported them.

    I would like to see these magazines talk to their readers about having respect for women rather than advising them of how easy it is to ‘get away with it’. Their words might be in jest but they are contributing to the culture of silence that surrounds rape and the isolation of its victims.

    They should be ashamed.

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    Anon for this one

    Although the article was horrendous, I have to agree that rape is one of the easiest crimes to get away from. I was raped twice in two separate incidents years apart and I didn’t report either as I stupidly felt the shame was mine. There is so much work we need to do in society to make girls more comfortable reporting and the system work better for them once they have.

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    Anonymous

    Late term abortions on demand are illegal in Australia. Women never get one because they’ve decided they don’t want the baby.They only ever occur for because something has gone catastrophically wrong. The baby’s heart beat has stopped, the child has no chance of living after birth. What happens when these disasters are discovered must be decided according to the specific case by the doctors and woman involved. It is not something that can be decided in a vacuum by politicians.

    Of all the bad things that can happen to you, losing a pregnancy in the later stages would have to be the worst. I’ve always prayed never to be in that position. It’s not just that it would be physically difficult, the decisions that are sometimes involved are excruciating. Its a time for sympathy not condemnation. I hope this ‘debate’ never crosses the Pacific.

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    Kerr

    I have always been a strong supporter of abortion and a womans’ right to choose. I know legal abortions are necessary and that women will endanger their lives in situations where they are not available.

    But, I’ve changed my stance somewhat since having children, particularly in relation to late term abortions. After seeing the ultrasound of a 12 week old foetus in my belly, I find it difficult to know where I draw the line. I know late term abortions are rare, but I struggle with how poison is injected into a babies heart to kill it before it is delivered. Why wouldn’t you just deliver and adopt out a 32 week old foetus rather than abort, even if the mothers life was at risk. Is it more risky to deliver? At what stage do the babies rights become important too?

    I don’t know. I want to be a feminist and support women and this is a subject I really don’t even feel comfortable talking about with people as I’m so unsure and feel like I will be judged for moving from supporting women’s rights (I do, I do!). Has anyone else had their views challenged since having children? Please don’t yell at me about it, I know its an emotive topic…

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      An Idle Dad

      A conservative is someone who wants to change the rules, now they have what they need.

      It’d guess it’s easy to begin to question the options others have (like late term abortions) now your children are safely born and healthy.

      (Not that it is a key point, but poison isn’t injected, it’s a saline solution which stops electrical activity in the heart).

      As for the comment “Why wouldn’t you just deliver and adopt out a 32 week old foetus rather than abort – even if the mother’s life was at risk?” Probably a different question, if you were that mother, don’t you think?

      I hope that’s not shouty.

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        Kerr

        That’s a fair point and I guess some people do tend to get more conservative as they get older. Maybe that is part of what I struggle with having never seen myself as conservative.

        Part of it is that I never knew how foetuses developed and I now have friends with healthy kids born at 23 weeks. Maybe the example of late term abortions was the wrong one to bring up. My point was I support having abortion freely available to women, but I am no longer sure where I feel the line in terms of weeks should be drawn. 20 weeks seems too late to me. I understand it has to be drawn somewhere though. I guess it’s good there are better people than me making decisions….

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          melissasavage

          As someone says above, nobody has a late term abortion unless there is a catastrophic circumstance where the mother’s life is at risk or the baby has died or will die in utero or immediately post natal.

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      Anon

      I can only speak for my own late term abortion but there was no way I was going to continue to carry my daughter to term to adopt her out because I genuinely did not believe that she would have a good enough quality of life. If I had not felt that that was the case then I would have kept her myself.

      She was my first born and very much wanted child so I didn’t have any living children at that time. I now have a one year old and whilst I will always wonder what might have been because it was not a fatal diagnosis I still believe it was the right choice for me and my family (including the daughter who died).

      I was only just over 20 weeks but having gone through it I no longer have an arbitrary cut-off where I feel it is no longer acceptable as I know how difficult the decision is to make and that it would not be made lightly in almost all cases. I also believe that set cut-offs can put unnecessary pressure on people to terminate when a diagnosis is more grey or needs further testing which will put them past the cut-off.

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    Luc

    Re those anti-abortion images.

    Graphic information here: but just for the record. I’ve seen a thirteen week foetus (after a natural miscarriage) and it did not look like those images at all. It is terrifying that people might think this is what an first trimester abortion would look like.

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    An Idle Dad

    Rinehart may be the richest women in Australia (and perhaps the world) who could simply buy – anything – she wants, but I wouldn’t be her for the world.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/rinehart-fears-for-safety-court-hears-20120202-1quip.html

    Imagine fighting with your own kids, for your entire life, always a court ruling away from losing it all. I bet she doesn’t sleep too well at night.

    (I don’t feel sorry for her though) – I still don’t like her politics, ideas or attempts to own the media.

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    Amber

    On my way to work in surry hills (sydney) today, I saw a large group of people praying across the road from a ‘women’s pre term health clinic’. I can only think their presence was related to abortions. I have never seen anything like that in real life- only crazy Americans on TV. I felt sick to my stomach and relieved I was on my way to work and not going into the clinic. I am pro choice. I hope they can stop the super bowl ads if the funder isn’t a legit candidate.

    It’s awful Mr and Mrs MacDonald’s foster children will be the only ones to suffer from their stance. Why can’t they just not take in anymore foster kids instead of un-fostering the teenagers they have?

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      Kris2040

      There used to a be a clinic in Salisbury Road at Stanmore that always had one person across the road with signs and stuff, often there would be a few people out the front. It hasn’t been there for years, but I used to see this one woman when I went past on the bus.

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      toradora

      foster care can be a difficult thing to deal with in the first place and as it is the children’s financial needs are often not covered completely (or sometimes even close to). so taking away that $215 dollars can make a huge difference in their ability to care for these children. having come from care myself i have seen (and participated in) the extremely stressful environment these cares and staff deal with at times.
      i’m not saying these kids are bad but as i well know alot of the time the events that get them in care as well as things that happen while in care can be extremely traumatic. and this causes to put it nicely ‘side effects’.
      these people DO NOT do it for the money believe it. some types of carers(there are more then just foster) get paid less ten some McDonald workers.
      if they can no longer support these children properly then it is better for them to stay with people who can. although leaving can be painful and upsetting for both parties it can be in these circumstances be very much for the best.
      please excuse any spelling mistakes my keyboards playing up.

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    cinnamon

    So yesterday I was watching The Talk, not sure if it airs in Australia but it’s a talk show with 4 or 5 hosts (Sharon Osbourne is one and Sarah Gilbert are 2 of them). I don’t watch regularly so don’t know the names of the others, anyway they discuss different topics and of course celeb news. This show started off with them talking about how Christina Aguilera performed ‘At last’ at Etta James funeral, which was held in a Church. Apparently a lot of people had a problem with what Christina was wearing (too much cleavage) BUT the things most people were talking about was her legs and the weird substance running down them…..here are the pics they showed.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattcherette/what-was-dripping-down-christina-aguileras-le

    Uhhhh :|

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      Rick Morton

      It was her fake tan ;)

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      melissasavage

      Looks like a fake tan mishap to me. But more importantly, Christina has morphed into Cyndi Lauper, which is kind of awesome.

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    Anonymous

    I went through care pre 2006 and had to give my foster parents money once I began receiving Youth Allowance. Honestly it is not a big deal at all and I do not understand what the fuss is about.

    I think it’s a good idea anyway because at 15/16, Youth Allowance is quite a lot of money for a kid to manage or appropriately have without earning it themselves. Particularly since welfare dependency is an issue in a lot of families from which kids are removed and placed into care (not my personal experience, admittedly).

    Very hard to see the logic or sympathise with these people refusing to continue with their placement. The only ones who will suffer and pay for this are the kids – I am pretty certain the Minister will be fine with dealing with the consquences of this moral stance. I am sure that logisitically the kids will be fine – there are structures and support in place to help them through the next few years. They will probably find another placement too. But the rejection is very difficult to deal with and understand, and its efefcts will be VERY longlasting. I would not wish it on any kid.

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    catgirl

    The Department making the cuts introduced them because when kids turned 16 they received Youth Allowance (the same dollar value as the foster payment cut) from the Federal Government

    I really don’t see the issue here. We are a low income family and when my kids turned 16 I lost a lot of my parenting allowence because my kids started getting the youth allowence, so a lot of the money was transferred from me to them.

    What I did (and I assume of parents in my position do) is I told my children that from now on they were responsible for all their own expenses like clothes, school costs, bus fares, entertainment, toiletries and treats outside of the everyday food. That they needed to work out their expenses and learn to budget.

    So even though I was getting less money for them, I was no worse off as I had also transferred a hunk of their costs in raising them to them.

    16 year old kids need to learn to budget and manage money just because they are foster kids doesn’t put them in a special category. One would think that being foster children would make that life skill even more necessary for them.

    Helen and Brian MacDonald are two foster carers who say they will refuse to care for their children, who have been with them for more than six years. ”We’re doing this on principle,” Mrs MacDonald said. ”We’re not doing this out of greed

    I think that is terrible, after looking after those children for 6 years they are just going to chuck them aside out of principle and they say it’s not because of the money. Give me a break!!!

    If it’s not about the money why aren’t they using this opportunity to teach “their” kids how to manage money and budget.

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      Lauren

      I agree.

      When I (and my sisters) were 16 and received Youth Allowance the equivalent was taken off my single mother in her payments.

      We then had to pay board and learn how to budget our money.

      Looking back, I’ll never know how my mother made her money spread so far. We never went without. She is amazing.

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      Luc

      I think it is a little different. A low income family can still provide a loving home. By very definition, foster kids have been removed from homes that are abusive over a very long period of time.

      In my experience, this means that the kids haven’t necessarily developed in an age appropriate way. There are lots of fantastic exceptions, but a lot of foster kids may have missed on some developmental stages. A sixteen year old who has experienced long term abuse may not have the maturity or responsability to handle this, and the foster carers are essential to their development. The agency I have worked for used to keep paying carers til the kids were in 21, because they felt that they needed that extra few years of maturity.

      One good example is medication. Foster kids may be on a raft of meds for various problems, both physical and psychological. Once their meds are no longer monitored by foster parents, some foster kids go off the meds (it takes a fair bit of organisation to keep up the scripts, to remove to take them, etc). So then there can be problems with self medication with street drugs or alcohol.

      I’m not saying this is the case for every foster child, but these are well recognised risks within the foster caring community. These kinds of issues (with abuse, including sexual abuse, with perhaps mum having taken drugs during pregnancy, with the lasting effects of child malnutrition etc) mean these kids have special needs that should be supported by the state.

      I’d rather pay the money now and give these children the best possible start, rather than deal with the consequences later. Further, foster parents are doing a big favour to society in general, they are the last group that should be penalised financially.

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        catgirl

        One good example is medication. Foster kids may be on a raft of meds for various problems, both physical and psychological. Once their meds are no longer monitored by foster parents, some foster kids go off the meds (it takes a fair bit of organisation to keep up the scripts,

        I’m not suggesting that just because your kids (foster or otherwise) get youth allowence that you then stop supervising and monitoring your kids. What I said is that the kids then become responsible for their own expenses.

        I’m at a loss where you got that idea from my original comment.

        In the case of medications you the parent pick up the scripts while the kids are at school or whatever, your kid then pays you how much the scripts cost and you monitor medication as usual.

        In our family with scripts they are all kept in a special file so they don’t get misplaced. I’ve never let my teenagers be responsible for their own scripts.

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      Trog

      Agreed. Those teenagers must feel terrible.

      I don’t think those foster parents realise that they’ve bitten off more than they can chew.

      Cue backlash.

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        toradora

        have any of the above people actually lived in these situations? seriously i’m not picking on anybody but unless you have there is really no way you can really understand this kind of situation.
        i was in care for several years (and before i get labeled as a druggo street kid like i normally do i left home due to neglect, abuse, malnutrition, sexual abuse etc i refused to return home) i have seen carers struggle with kids many many kids do not wish to be where they are. many want to go home no matter what they went through. we were supposed to pay rent and budget and many of us REFUSED.
        they couldnt make us pay. you cant make them pay. you could talk about budgeting and rent and finances till you were blue in the face but being these kids we had our own priorities. yes some kids went to booze and drugs. but for me it went to food for the 6 hrs a day i had to wander the streets because i wasnt in school. (i was under residential care NOT foster this is common procedure in some units.) clothes because they weren’t provided for me. books hundreds of books. everday things like shampoo and soap i wasnt allergic to.

        trust me if the foster parents who cared for these kids for SIX YEARS say they can’t do without this money then they bloody well can’t. the money they are paid often doesn’t cover everything these kids need as it is. foster care can put huge financial strain on a family. these kind generous people do these because they want to help. not for the money. seriously
        i DARE you to walk a mile in those shoe’s and see how much you do it for the money at the end. PROVE that these people haven’t done the best they could.
        and then you can say they did it for the money.

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    May!

    Definitely not a fan of the funding cut to foster parents. Can’t help feeling $7M doesn’t mean as much to the govt. as $214 / fortnight would to foster carers. ALTHOUGH, as a uni student living in away from home, I receive youth allowance, and can’t imagine what I would need that money for if I was in high school living at home with someone to support me? I imagine it would encourage the kids to move out on their own, maybe that’s the aim?

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    Laws for Clouds

    Just wanted to add about the Janet Howell amendment, many of those ultrasounds would be transvaginal (distressing for victims of abuse, and unpleasant for most people).

    She also wants a cadiac stress test, with permission and informed consent to take place 24hours before viagara can be given.

    Noting that many in the US don’t have health cover so appointments/tests for an abortion/viagra is a major financial issue.

    Love Janet Howell, she also campaigns for medical cover for autism and gay rights!

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    vanessayoung

    I never understand anti abortionists. Nobody WANTS to have an abortion. It is a last resort. It is sickening watching these people quibble over abortions when they are always quick to condemn unmarried mothers, pre-marital sex, allowing teens access to contraception etc. It is also often the case that these same people embrace the death penalty.
    American politicians are starting to scare me!

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      Tripitaka

      Totally agree. I can’t help but think that the energy of anti-abortionists would be so much better spent, if they put it in to saving the children who are already born, but living in awful conditions – starving or being abused. If some of their passion went that way instead, it could actually be a positive thing, as it is they are pretty much just creating hate.

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    Luc

    There are many things I cannot believe about our state government, but cutting payments to foster carers of older kids takes the cake.

    These teens are at an incredibly vulnerable age, and they need all the help they can get. A lot of full time foster carers have made the kids their career, and indeed a lot of agencies don’t like you to have two foster parents working full time, because the kids need a lot of extra help, often medical appointments etc, and they often have more time off school than usual.

    I reckon foster carers of teenagers need a medal not an insult like this.

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      neola

      YES, absolutely. It’s so hard to even find enough foster parents, especially for teenagers. These carers do so much, and to say they should ‘negotiate’ with the teens to contribute is a real slap in the face to some of the most generous and giving members of society. It’s a new low.

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      psyv

      It’s fairly ridiculous. Shouldn’t we be giving these kids the best chance at improving themselves by *not* forcing them to work to support their foster families? These people already have it so tough. I’d like to see the policy makers spend a month trying to live on a pensioners and carers allowance and see how they fare. They’d never do it though.

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    Loulee

    Sorry but I can’t see how it is OK to have that toddler rock climbing with no helmet. The reality is as parents we have an obligation to keep our children safe and also to be there for our children so yes we should scale back our risking taking once we are in charge of a child’s life. It’s just common sense isn’t it? Same way I don’t understand how people go and do things like try to row across the Tasman to NZ in a canoe or climb Mt Everest instead of being there for their children.

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      psyv

      It makes no sense to me either! Fine, strap them to your back but wouldn’t you put a helmet and some knee and elbow pads on just in case?! What was she thinking!

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        auscrawl

        Exactly! even if she didn’t fall but lost her footing and spun around hitting the rockface, what would be a bump on the helmet to her could be her child’s unprotected head bashing rock.

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    Susan As Well

    Cripes! Leave the baby on the ground where it belongs pleeeeeeese! All for parents taking their own risks but this is stupid.

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    Anon

    I am publicly pro-choice, but personally pro-life (I personally wouldn’t have an abortion, but don’t believe that others should be stopped from having them if they want one).

    I think that it should be an informed choice that a woman makes. I’m not sure where the line on that information should be drawn, but that ad certainly crosses the line.

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      Nico

      That’s still pro-choice :) My parents are pro-choice, I know they’d be heartbroken if I had an abortion, and my mother would never have one for herself, but they wouldn’t take away the choice that others have.

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    Kyznet

    At least put a safety helmet on the child if you insist on “taking risks”!

    I wonder in this day and age how a politician can be elected (and retain her seat) when she is so out of touch with reality. Abortions are not “unnecessary medical procedures”! Shame on her constituents for voting in such an uneducated fool.

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      Ella89

      Hi – not sure if you read the story right, or maybe I didnt (still waiting for my morning coffee)
      The politican didn’t agree with making women who want an abortion being forced to have a ultrasound before hand (in an attempt to make them feel guilty i suppose) and so she’s suggesting men should have to have an unnecessary procedure (like the ultrasound) as well before they get treated for erectile disfunction.

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      mamaruns

      I think her point is that the ‘ultrasound with graphic explanation’ is the unnecessary bit (and not the abortion itself) which is what she’s trying to illustrate by forcing an unnecessary rectal exam on men seeking treatment for erectile dysfunction.

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        Kyznet

        Sorry – I was trying to do too many things at once and misinterpreted what the article was about. Oops!

        (I clearly hadn’t had my morning coffee when I responded so my brain was not fully functioning!).

        Thanks for pointing that out to me. :)

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    An Idle Dad

    Cuss. I was planning to get in with the in crowd and complain about one of the stories this morning, but they’re all interesting…

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      JohnJames

      I did that yesterday….it’s not worth it..trust me… :)

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        sam

        And besides…it seems that it isn’t called “news” today, and is “watercooler”, thus arguments about whether a particular item should be classified as news or not, or whether something else should have been there instead, should no longer occur! Unless people start trying to argue the validity of whether something is watercooler fodder…

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          An Idle Dad

          Double cuss!

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          JohnJames

          I just want to know what they put in the water….wheeeeeeee!!!!!

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    Teegz

    I think I should have heeded the warning about those ads for the presidential candidate! Why anyone would want to inflict those ads on people enjoying a sports event I don’t know!

    The poor toddler strapped to her rock climbing mother’s back doesn’t look like she is enjoying it very much, not to mention the complete lack of safety practices! You wanna take risks, fine! Don’t force them on your 2yr old child though!

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      Rick Morton

      I have a pretty thick skin when it comes to stuff in the news but I couldn’t bring myself to embed. They were horrid.

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        Kris2040

        Holy shit! Strange that even mild swearing is bleeped out on tv and they lose their shit about portrayals of sex, but they are deemed cool to run. Strange priorities.

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          An Idle Dad

          If they were submitted by an NGO, it would have breached laws, however the loophole is they can’t refuse political advertising.

          Which is fair enough, except when a nutjob gets in on it.

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            Kris2040

            I get that they’re obviously designed to shock and freak out, but what about people who’ve lost babies and may have had to deal with seeing that kind of stuff for real? Shockingly insensitive to push an agenda that way.

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              An Idle Dad

              I completely agree.

              I don’t think they had in mind that kind of political campaigning when those laws were passed.

              At least it’s some guy I’ve never heard of – he’s not a contender.

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        Susan As Well

        Thanks for the warning Rick. I’m not into watching this stuff at any time and I’ve been a theatre nurse and seen plenty of blood and guts. To handle such a sensitive subject in such a callous way is beyond me.

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        neola

        Glad you didn’t, Rick. Good call. I am curious, but I won’t give the ad my click. Micro-protest :-)

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    JohnJames

    In other news, elephants in the outback…you just know this would end in tears: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/expert-advises-big-fix-for-jumbosized-problem-20120202-1qtzb.html

    :)

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      An Idle Dad

      At least if it all goes wrong, elephants are big, slow and killable.

      Because this kinda has “hey I’ve heard cane toads eat bugs” feel to it!

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    Mary Christmas

    The husband appointed his wife as the Coroner?! What is going on there? Dodgy.
    The rock climber should have put a helmet on the kid. Otherwise, climb away!
    What is it with anti-abortionists? Gah, they are so irritating. At least the superbowl guy is up-front about his beliefs, unlike the insidious senator trying to sneak in the ‘ultrasound described in detail’ requirement.

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      JohnJames

      They said I needed qualifications, I said No No No…

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        Peta

        It was bound to be said……. :-)

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    Seahorse

    If its so “safe” why are you wearing a helmet? And if it’s dangerous enough for you to need one, what about the munchkin strapped to your back? Think you stuffed your argument there dude.

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      katehunter

      This is true. Jerry Seinfeld said, ‘Any activity that requires a helmet suggests there is a fair chance your skull, as your brain’s natural helmet, could get smashed.’ There are warnings re toddlers on shopping trolleys for goodness sake.

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    Lu

    Agree on the helmet. Sure risk your own life doing such sports but when that risk includes a tiny child who has no choice and rescuer workers who risk their own lives to save them when something goes wrong, it is a little self indulgent.

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    Nicole

    You wear a helmet? Put one on the child.

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      Kjp

      Exactly what I was thinking!

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    JohnJames

    I don’t know if Gillard is dead in the water yet, but the slight momentum she seemed to have built up late last year seems to have evaporated…

    But, Labor is going to have to be very desperate to go back to Rudd…I still think he is going to struggle to find the numbers to topple Gillard…

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      An Idle Dad

      It evaporated because she backfliped on pokie reform – then shacked up with Margaret Court at the tennis. Rudd is popular, would put Queensland back in the game for federal Labor.

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        JohnJames

        Yep…but they would have to work with a dysfunctional PM again…

        So, the choice is:

        – Gliiard: Functioning PM, lousy politician
        – Rudd: Dysfunctional PM. fantastic politician

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        Kris2040

        Why is it significant she was with Margaret Court?

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          JohnJames

          Margaret Court has been posting rants in the Melbourne press about how Homosexuality is a sin, a choice that can be overcome through living the Christian life and stuff like that…to be seen chatting amiably with her at the tennis the same week shows a real lack of political judgement on Gilliard’s part…

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            Kris2040

            Oh wow, I didn’t know that! I knew she was a minister of some kind, but I thought I remembered seeing somewhere that she wasn’t that conservative recently. But, um, yeah, poor political choice. Seems to be par for the course at the moment though, really.

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          An Idle Dad

          About two days after Margaret Court published this http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/priority-is-to-protect-marriage/story-e6frfhqf-1226252853390 she was in the PM’s box at the tennis.

          Seriously, WTF. As if MC or her followers EVER EVER vote for Labor. I just don’t get Gillard at all.

          But at least is gave the fantastic Vic teacher Mike Stuchbery a great blog post

          http://mike-stuchbery.com/2012/01/25/margaret-court-translated/

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      melissasavage

      I suspect that if they’re going to change leaders they won’t go for Rudd, they’ll choose someone else.

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        An Idle Dad

        Malcom Turnbull, if they had any guts and could get him.

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          JohnJames

          I would love to see the moderates from both Labor and Liberal quit and form a new party under Turnbull!

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            Sharon

            Ooooh… radical, but it might just work. I’ve felt for a long time that we need another serious contender to stick it to Libs and Labs…

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            Susan As Well

            Why Turnbull?

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              JohnJames

              Pro Gay Marriage
              Pro Republic
              Pro Technology and science
              Pro action on climate change

              I would vote for a Turnbull led independent party over Labor or Libs or Greens…

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            melissasavage

            Something like the British Liberal Democrats. A mainstream 3rd option would be great. I voted green last time but not because I am particularly environmentalist or protectionist but for social justice reasons.

            If I were to start a party it would be socially liberal with a libertarian bent. I think as the power of unions continues to wane, that such a thing might be possible…

            Now, when I come to power…

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              JohnJames

              I am so with you! :)

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              Susan As Well

              Thanks JJ and Melissa. Food for thought. Sometimes, I like Turnbull and other times, he seems as slippery as anyone else in Canberra. What to do, what to do…

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              JohnJames

              Sadly, in the end they’re ALL politicians… ;)

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              Kris2040

              You’re not the only one who voted that way, Melissa, but apparently those of us on the Labor Left who did this are dispensable. I don’t know why the Labor Party continue to pander to the right when they have clearly lost to the Greens, and will continue to do so with their slide to the right.

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    Rebeca

    Wow – I would like to be brave enough to go rock climbing myself let alone with a child strapped to my back! My concern is why does the child not have a helmet? Surely it would be a safety requirement? If she was to spin around the child’s head could strike the rock face! Each to their own.

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    Hayley

    If Menna needs a helmet why doesn’t her daughter need one? That’s what I don’t get.

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      Singleinoz

      Yep!

      Whether you take the child rock climbing is a whole other issue! But at least start with a helmet!

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    Katie

    They wanted to ban images of the Jewish houlocaust as well – devastating for these babies.

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      superladyjuliet

      Don’t link the two.Genocide and abortion should not be compared.

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        D

        Totally agree superladyjuliet!! What a ridiculous comparison!

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          Nina

          Ugh, that reminds me of a video I had the misfortune of watching. It is by Ray Comfort (Christian evangelist) and it links the holocaust and abortions in the
          most offensive and illogical way. I felt sick after watching it, it’s sad that people like Ray Comfort exist in the world. The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2KsU_dhwI

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            jacqui

            i watched this video a few months ago because i saw someone endorse it and honestly i was furious for WEEKS. i cannot get over his rediculous point i mean how in hell can you compare the two, and! he’s influencing people who don’t have any knowledge of the holocaust it’self. sick and wrong.

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        Catherine

        Genocide and abortion both involve killing

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          Kris2040

          So does fishing and hunting. What’s your point?

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          Nico

          It’s all about context, the two are completely different.

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          rudyroo

          yes, so does eating chicken for dinner.
          and so so many other things.

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            Faybian

            OMG, I have chicken in the oven….now!

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          An Idle Dad

          Wow, what a compelling argument.

          Nods head.

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            Kris2040

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