By MIA FREEDMAN
After the image of a young boy holding a sign with the words “Behead all those who insult the Prophet” went viral, there were calls for the mother of the boy – who was pictured taking a photo of her young son, as he held the sign next to his younger sibling sleeping in a pram – to be tracked down.
Some even called for the children to be taken away from their parents.
Here’s what David Penberthy wrote about the mother on The Punch:
Normal parents go out of their way to shield their kids from repellent images and distressing concepts. If your kids happen to see images on the television of passenger jets being flown into buildings, or a pile of bodies lying on a war-torn street, it is normal to tell them it is nothing and change the channels.
If, God forbid, your child happened to ask you what beheading was, you would find a way to change the subject pretty quickly. Happily, children are not even aware of the hideous concept. Except in Sydney on Saturday, where a bunch of kids under the age of 10 paraded through the CBD with placards kindly made for them by good old Mum and Dad, one of them saying the enemies of Allah should have their heads chopped off.
This morning we woke to the news that the mother everyone was talking about had turned herself in to police.
This from news.com.au:
A NSW Police spokeswoman confirmed this morning the mother of the boy who was photographed with a sign reading “behead those who insult the Prophet” approached police overnight to hand herself in.
The spokeswoman confirmed the woman would not be charged.
Community Services workers visited the woman’s home and carrying out welfare checks on her children.
NSW Family and Community Services Minister Pru Goward spoke to ABC radio this morning and confirmed police had spoken to the mother – who had no previous criminal history. Goward told ABC Sydney:
“She overnight came in to a police station and admitted that it was her child.
“The police then went back to the house and assessed the children and assessed that they were safe so that is where they remain.
“Parents do crazy things, she might well have just thought it was a giggle to get him to hold a sign, a cute little photograph.
“But it just isn’t acceptable to the rest of us.
“She apparently said that the child had been brought because they didn’t expect it to become violent, which you might disagree with.”
I was as horrified as anyone by the image of that child holding the sign. And I was not surprised when I heard the calls to “take those kids away from their parents” in the days that followed. However, that was never going to be the answer. What the mother did was not a crime under Australian law. She was guilty of appalling judgement, for sure. But parents instilling particular values or beliefs in their children is not against the law.
From the moment I gave birth to a daughter, I knew this day would come. The conversation was crucial and it would have been negligent of me to avoid it. I just didn’t expect to be having it so soon; she’s only five!
“Darling,” I began gently one day, crouching down to her level to make eye contact as I held her hands tenderly in mine. “Leggings are not pants.”
As her face registered confusion, I seized the opportunity to continue. “You see, leggings are more like tights,” I explained carefully. “That means they’re different to jeans or pants. We don’t wear them the same way.” She regarded me defiantly. “But I like these leggings!” she protested. I remained calm, maintained eye contact, and spoke kindly yet firmly. “So do I darling, your leggings are lovely. They just need a skirt over the top of them. Or a dress. Heck, even a longer t-shirt.”
Was it wrong to impose my views about leggings onto my daughter? Had I crushed her little spirit? Or was it my duty as a parent, hell as a woman, to pass on the single fashion philosophy I live by?
Because surely that’s what parents do. Imprint our values onto our children in big ways and small. Share our wisdom. For example, in our household we teach our kids that gay people should be able to marry and that hopefully it will soon happen in Australia. We teach them to have compassion towards asylum seekers no matter how they arrive here and that NO child should ever be sent to live behind razor wire. We teach them to recycle and to turn off lights and taps to help the environment. Since they’re all values my husband and I hold dear, how could we raise our children any other way?
Still, the leggings conversation started me thinking about which beliefs are OK to project and which should be left up to them to figure out for themselves.
Obviously we’ll cross anything illegal or life-threatening off the DIY list. All decent parents teach their kids that smoking is bad and so are drink-driving and sunburn. Seat-belts? Mandatory. Duh.
But beyond those kinds of things, it can become murky. Is believing in a particular religion different to passing on your beliefs about vegetarianism or feminism? What about footy teams? Political parties?
Ultimately, I wondered if it came down to how you view children in relation to their parents. Are children simply an extension of mum and dad, like whacking a sun deck extension on the back of the house? Or as parents should we provide our children with all the information and then allow them to make up their own mind? Easier said than done – and not always possible.
For example, some people believe that teaching your child that God exists is wrong. But if you truly believe that, what else can you convey to them? If you believe that eating animals is wrong, how can you in good conscience serve up chops for dinner? And when I wrote about explaining to my daughter that leggings-are-not-pants (in the same way that someone else might explain that sandals-shouldn’t-be-worn-with-socks), many people SLAMMED me for projecting my own views onto my child.
I’m sure there are other people who would slam me for teaching my kids that men should be able to marry men and women should be able to marry women and one day soon that will happen. But it’s what I believe and it’s what I want them to believe.
It’s not always easy to extricate your own beliefs from those you pass on.
Being a parent is about imprinting all kinds of values and beliefs onto your children every day, consciously and unconsciously. Because kids are sponges. For better or worse.
If they see Mum smoking or Dad hitting Mum, that embeds in their developing minds as ‘normal’ or appropriate behaviour. Just like if they hear their parents express views about religion or refugees or homosexuality or any political issue, then they will surely absorb those views.
By the same token, if they hear or see their parents doing POSITIVE things – treating each other with kindness, eating healthy food, being tolerant of diversity, recycling, volunteering, reading – then this also embeds into their understanding of what it is to be a good adult.
And consider this. If a child saw the media coverage of the riots these past few days and asked you, “what’s that all about?” the answer you give has the ability to shape how they see Muslim people.
You can choose to say: “Those bloody Muslims are ruining this country and they should all be sent back to where they came from!” Or you can say: “It’s a small group of angry people who are mad about a silly film they don’t like and who are behaving very very badly. They may go to jail because you are not allowed to throw things at police or be violent towards other people not matter how upset you are.”
Because ultimately, every parent and every adult in a child’s life has the ability and the privilege to help shape their view of the world. That is a huge responsibility and one we must take care to honour in the most positive way we can.
What values did your parents instill in you, both positive and negative, both explicitly and implicitly? If you have kids, how do you decide which of your own beliefs to instill in them?






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What has happened to dignity? Do we even know what it is anymore? Do we share common beliefs? Common respect? Common aspirations? Reflecting on Sting’s song the Russians, I interject for this event, “I hope the [Muslims] love their children too”. Belief is not what can be taught, it is what can be experienced, a mother’s love is fundamental to the well being of any child, what was shocking to me was the outcry of “child abuse” and no outcry for the abused mother, she has so obviously lost her dignity, her right to mother, she is the real victim, as is a society that will not free her. A mother who is treated with respect and dignity, holds humanity dear, imparts a spirituality that transcends any man made religion. She does not do what she is told, she does what is right! If we really want a peaceful society, we must restore the dignity of motherhood, for we become who mothers are made to be and lately it is not a pretty picture. This is not about muslin mothers it is about any mother who loves her children, but does not have the right to mother.
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To an outsider she might appear to be a ‘a victim’ – a victim being brain washed, a victim of not being free in choice
but how do we know she feels this of herself – that’s absurd thinking!?
I have to deal with my 9yr old coming home saying ‘Mum, did you know Julia Gillard is a liar??’…and where would he get these comments?
From his 9yr old friends!
And where would these other kids get this information – from their parents!
So everyone has different beliefs, everyone has opinions and views which some so freely talk about in front of their children and everyone parents differently so it’s a very hard thing to control!
I really hope this Mother regrets her actions and the fact her anger was forced onto her ‘too young to understand’ innocent children.
I personally did not get offended by these signs but I just wonder why so much hatred towards the West…this movie was definetley an excuse to bring out other issues and I just hope the dialogue continues so we can express opinions and understand.
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I plead guilty. Last night while watching the news my 4-year-old yelled out ‘eeewwww, yuck, there’s Tony Rabbit’.
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We’re even then. When Gillard came on the tv she said – turn her off, I cant listen to her lying voice.
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I call myself an Agnostic because I don’t have any fixed belief that there’s a deity………I have no image of an elderly, male deity that resembles an Anglo-Saxon character actor with flowing hair & a long beard furiously punishing anyone who doesn’t flatter him and who implores him to make their wishes come true.
It makes more sense to me to kind of “tap into” a benign, positive energy that seems to run through everything.
When I meditate, sometimes I do get a sense of something “other” and special but I’m also pragmatic enough to concede that it could be just “wishful thinking”.
Philosophy has been a useful study and there are two books that I’ve given as presents over the years. “The Consolations of Philosophy” by Alain de Botton is a nice place to start if you’re interested. It contains essays on a few of the more widely discussed philosophers starting with Socrates……philosophy can also be a bit like “brain gym”……lol.
The other book (and I hope you can still order it) is “Wisdom of the Ages” by well-known self-help author Wayne W Dyer… He did a really useful thing a few years ago by compiling some of the thoughts of 60 philosophers/ spiritual leaders/teachers such as Pythagoras, Buddha,Jesus Christ, Michelangelo, Shelley, Shakespeare, Emmerson and so on – usually just a quote of theirs, followed by a brief explanation from him.
Not only is this a very gentle, thoughtful read but an extremely useful educational tool – particularly for those still keen to learn, and each quote covers a subject like patience or prayer, forgiveness, romantic love, laughter, solitude, plus 54 other wise sayings and quotes.
I seemed to have one of those “near-death experiences” during very difficult labour and what I DO know is that it removed any fear I had of death – and again the pragmatist in me realised that it could have had a very natural cause or explanation. There was absolutely no religion involved but again – it did feel “special’.
Whenever my children asked me “Where do I go when I die ?” I felt that the best and most appropriate answer was “Probably to the same place you were before you were born – and that was a GOOD place…..right ?”
Their beaming faces told me that I said the right thing – just me “keeping it simple”…lol…….xxxx’s
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Still loving that brain of yours Caz! you are rad!
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I just want to say that you, pennypacker, sound like an amazing mum
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Great article! I’m loving MM’s interesting, political, intellegent articles these days!! So much more interesting than the repeditive breast vs bottle/homesbirth debate etc articles of the past. Well done, and thank you
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I often wonder these same things myself! Just yesterday my son was talking to me about people dying, like just a general, ‘where do we go’ type thing! I am an Atheist, and I am this way, not because my parents told me there was no god, they didnt really chat about religion growing up, and i went to a school that had religion classes and chapel each week. I have never believed in god, and I know, its because I was free to think how I think, no one pushed me to believe(well school tried a little) but I came to my own conclusions! So i often think about the right way to raise my kids when it comes to me being an Atheist. My husband has zero opinion on the matter and just laughs at my ramblings! i guess he is Agnostic but leaning more Atheist! So when my little man was talking to me yesterday about the ‘afterlife’ I asked him, ‘well where do you think we go when we die, what do you think happens’ and he said, “well i think we go up to the clouds and its really nice and its called like heaven or something, is that where we go?” I said, “well some people believe thats where we go, but no one knows, and I guess you have to work that out for yourself” he said “well, i just want you to go with me where ever it is” and i said “i will just go where ever you want me to go and we will cuddle forever” because honestly, at this age, if i said to him, well mummy just believes we rot in the ground and nothing happens and we never see each other again and we are worm food, well thats a pretty sucky thing to say to a 5 year old who is extremely sensitive! I would traumatise him! But my beliefs are my own. I want him to grow up as an open minded well educated little man, that knows that its normal for two men or two woman to get married, but i also want him to know that some people in the world dont like it, and the reasons why they dont! I dont want to hide him from the truth, but I want him to find his own way and his own beliefs if he wants to have them! The sign that this child is holding doesnt show me a parents beliefs being passd down to her child, it shows hate, and intent to murder if anyone is not of their religion! Thats seriously wrong! I am so amazed that this sort of protest over a ridiculous movie has become so violent! As an Atheist, I am ok with the thought of my children maybe wanting to be religious, because it wont be something that is drilled into them from birth, it will be something that when they are at an age where their mind had learnt about all religions and also about science and the world, and they have a logical mind, and if by then they truly believe in something, then good on them, thats fine, and i will hopefully be able to have a positive influence on them about being an Atheist so if they are religious, they wont be horrible to say an Atheist, or someone of a different religion. It’s such a shame that a religious person wouldnt do the same for their children! They are indroctinated from birth and told their religion is the only one and its right! I think religion should be a personal thing that shouldnt be forced upon anyone and should be a private descision as an adult! But i guess religion probably wouldnt exsist for much longer if we didnt indoctrinate from birth! I hope I can raise open minded happy children that know whats going on in the world
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My ire was raised when Dave Penbirthy suggested that he would not answer a child’s question. If you a kid asked you what beheading is, why wouldn’t you answer? “It’s when you cut someone’s head off.”
You needn’t put a value judgement on it, it’s just a straight Q and A.
One of the good bits of parent advice is, When a kid asks you a question, answer it.
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True…but…shall I then call you at 3am? There are enough monsters & ghosts in my toddlers room already
I’m not being sarcastic, I like the direct approach too, but I wonder how his mind would process it. I remember being so surprised as a teenager that the 7 year old I babysat asked me if the teenage mutant ninga turtles were in the drains outside. I think we kind of forget how they think everything is real.
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i took my 8yr old and 10yr old to a protest this past July – it was the 38yr anniverary of the invasion of the tiny island of Cyprus by Turkey – the island is still 37% occupied by Turkish and Turkish troops and at the time there was 200,000 people left as refugees and have still lost their homes.
It was a peaceful protest – we held signs, we didnt chant
we didnt intimidate, we didnt feel hate but it was organised and police were informed – they even blocked George St for us to walk for half an hour – it was all very civil but we wanted people to know that we dont accept this attack on human rights and 38yrs is way too long…we will never forget.
My husbands family lost their home, their land, their everything and still have the keys to their front door – a door they cant open every again..
I talk to my boys about what happened in 1974 all the time but in our home when we talk about it we never express hate or violence (even though sometimes I feel it….) it would be unfair for my boys as we live in Australia a place that has SO many nationalities and beliefs.
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I think through the majority of your actions big or small you project your beliefs onto your kids every day. So, maybe just try to be the best person you can be and always be prepared to admit when you’re not.
It’s good to be able to let go control and let your kids show their own beliefs when they’re older. They are their beliefs not yours, even if you don’t agree with them.
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I’m glad I took the time to read the comments on this story, because your story is wonderful. I admire your strength in escaping a terrible childhood and being smart enough to create a great childhood for your children. You deserve to be very proud of yourself!
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A sign saying “Behead those who insult Islam” is a clear case of incitement to murder, especially of non Muslims.
The mother should be charged and thrown in jail, as should those holding similar signs.
This is not protest.
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What about the father? Just because you don’t see him doesn’t mean he’s not there.
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I’ve taken my children to many many protests, they have pumped fists and sung slogans, they have carried signs…. This was an act of a few not an act of many but it’s not the way it’s been protrayed in the media. This is like terrorism the act is done by a few not the whole. It is interesting to ponder the the greatest acts of violence in Australia have been by Australians
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Not the way it was portrayed by the media? Really? I heard a woman on the radio trying to blame the police. Rubbish. There was no permission given for this protest. It was illegal, it was hateful and ugly, it was unacceptable and it will not be tolerated. No excuses, no blaming the media or the police. Muslims are not the victims.
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Yes and the MM post here the other day implied the police had ‘raised tensions’ with their ‘presence’.
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I agree with Mia on her views & attitudes towards her children and the topical issues of our times………our kids have grown into lovely people and we’re extremely proud of them – and their kindness towards others.
I’ve been a vegetarian for 25years – but not the family, and I’ve never tried to coerce any of them to choose my choice.
Our family are mostly Agnostics or Atheists and our children were never indoctrinated into any “belief-system”. This is because I maintain that children are way too young to be groomed to be a follower before they’ve had a chance to work things out for themselves.
Some children are cruelly dragged into these beliefs and are brainwashed into adopting prejudices and fears that stick in their imaginations until adulthood.
People are very, very, fragile and trusting…..shame on anyone who takes advantage of that.
I’ve also had arrogant religious folk say “Well how do people learn to be moral and good without religion ? Without the fear of God to keep them obedient and lawful ?
The answer for me is ETHICS – simple right & wrong, decency and kindness……..there’s a very dodgy concept going on when you can only get into heaven if you’ve accumulated “holy brownie points” by superficially performing “good deeds” for others – that’s not okay……..
Aaaanyway…………….it’s important to let other people work out their own stuff, their own values without imposing yours on them.
“Do what ye will, harm ye none” I believe……lol………xxxx’s
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I love your Brain Caz
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As someone who was dragged to Mass every single Sunday for 17 years and educated in Catholic schools I swear I was taught that all people are equal, all people will enter Heaven and no religion is better than another. We were never taught prejudice or fear, only acceptance, tolerance and the equality of every man, woman and child. The nuns were staunch feminists, massive lefties and were determined to produce women who would conquer any field they chose to pursue.
We were taught to forgive and to turn the other cheek. Not to riot in the streets calling for beheadings. We were never taught to hate, ever.
We were encouraged to question everything and we did. As an adult, I quietly stopped believing, thought that death was the end of it all. It was a logical conclusion in the face of no evidence.
Then I switched jobs. As a pediatric palliative care nurse I have seen things and heard things with my own eyes and from the mouths of children that have convinced me, without a shadow of a doubt and in a way that no amount of indoctrination could do, that there are more mysteries in the unverse than we’ll ever understand.
Logic only takes us so far, it has it’s limits. It’s faith that gives hope and meaning. It has done so since the dawn of time, in every civilization that has ever existed.
Spirituality is a very real element of being human. You don’t need to be a member of any religious organisation but without spirituality, without the focusing of the mind through meditation (prayer), without the peace that comes from believing in a greater plan and an afterlife, the world can be a very dark place for some.
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True Caz, I like your writing. I too was dragged to mass for years but I think it is indeed a great comfort. Way off topic but as a child to get through mass I would divided the mass into 5 segments and count them off on my fingers. Yay for the last section after communion and then we could run for it!
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I agree Caz. I went to a Catholic school and we were taught as part of our religious studies, other religions. We were taught to respect them and understand why they believed in what they did.
I realize there is a lot of ugliness in the Catholic Church and knowledge it completely but, in my case, this was one of the single greatest lessons on acceptance and I will be forever thankful. Ps, Em, YES! I did the same. I knew after communion, it came down to the notices then we could go across the road for milkshakes
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I like the way you exlain things other Caz, but as an Atheist my whole life, I can assure you that hope is not just about religion! I have hope always, and it doesnt have anything to do with religion! I am so at peace with my world and if you ask any person who knows me, you will know I am by far the most positive and happiest! No god, no religion, no spirituality! I am not saying what you say is wrong, because its completely true,(for u) but having a logically mind does not make me limited in my thinking! Imagining a an after life does not always make you a happier person! I am living every single day, and i think because i know (me personally) that this is it, i really appreciate it, and love today! i have meaning in my life! and it feels like a bit of a stab when a religous person tells me i have no hope or meaning because i dont believe in an afterlife! the meaning of my life, is to live now and help others and be a contributing member of society! i dont need god or religion or spirituality to have meaning in my life! i never have! i dont mean u any disrespect, but just want you to know that when people tell people like me(atheist) that my mind is limited(logically), and i have no hope or meaning in my life, it actually, really hurts my feelings. i am also told i have no morals because i dont have a big bearded man guilting the hell out of me! i know you believe you need spirituality to have hope and meaning, but i just wanted to let you know that us non religous non spiritual folks have hope coming out our butts haha its just a bit different to the way you think! i appreciate your open mindedness though, but just felt that i needed to explain my feelings! no dissrespect at all meant, just another opinion
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Listen to the words of the song from “South Pacific” – “You’ve Got To Be Carefully Taught…”
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Oh, how I would just love to have the child !
I consider myself fortunate. Although I have strong opinions about some subjects, I’ve yet to come to the conclusion that my opinion is the beginning and the end of the matter. I have always believed that when you open up your mind to someone else’s opinion…you stand a good chance of broadening your mind.
Obviously, there are times when I hear or read what I’m being told and decide that nothing new has been offered to make me want to change my view. There have been numerous occasions when listening to someone’s eloquent arguments I’ve done a complete backflip, altering a lifetime of habit.
If I’m ever in the position to be a father, I would teach my child to explore every avenue. Talk to many people. Walk a mile in the shoes of someone else. Make up your own mind about how you see the world and what changes you believe possible.
The one-eyed parent breeds the one-eyed child. For sure, teach your child the benefits of enjoying the differences of others. It’s far more rewarding to everyone than teaching your child how to hate those differences.
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Whatever views and beliefs we imprint onto our children, perhaps the aim should be to also teach them empathy. To be able to step outside your own life and to feel compassion for someone else — that’s perhaps the most important thing of all.
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Excellent point! I totally agree and if I am ever lucky enough to be a mother this is what I would hope to instill in them.
The ability to empathise and see an issue through someone else’s eyes helps you in all areas of your life.
It’s easier to dumb yourself down, see things in black and white and act accordingly but the world is so wonderfully and painfully complicated.
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walking in somebody else’s shoes…atticus finch described it best
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I definitely think actions speak louder than words when it comes to children. I am struggling to remember the substance of even one conversation I had with my parents about the ‘big issues’; though, I know we had many.
So, although I never really listened when my parents sat me down for a ‘serious discussion’ (or perhaps it is just my age-addled, poor memory), many of the values and beliefs I live by today were formed implicitly; by observing their behaviour and actions, day-in-day-out.
For example, my views on marriage and relationships sometimes differ from my husband’s (should I be worried?!) and that’s mainly due to the different family situations we grew up with. No matter how open-minded we think we are; we still have certain, inherent family values that were instilled when we were very young – based on what we perceived at home as being ‘normal’.
I have always had a lot of respect for my parents, so as a child (and even now) I looked to them and used their behaviour as a guide on how to act myself, and it still endures today.
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Trying again, hope this doesn’t come through twice…
Mia I admire the way you start the conversation, rather than forcing your point of view. I know you have been opinionated about some issues, and often i have agreed with you, sometimes not. But you don’t get enough credit for these sort of articles which encourage people to start talking, whatever their opinion. That’s how society and culture can be changed- conversation, thought, and contemplation. Mostly I admire that you do so knowing the stream of angry abuse you will get from both sides of the argument, particularly when people are passionate, ill informed, or just plain angry. This is a great article.
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Love this article as it is something I think about often. My parents (particularly my very old-school dad) have views that I’d don’t share but two things they did teach me as a child were:
1. To think for myself and form opinions based on my own research rather than blindly accepting what others tell me as gospel
2. To be compassionate and treat others the same way I’d like to be treated
There are obviously many valuable things we can teach our kids while we still exert influence over them (ie until they start school and start listening to their friends instead) but I think these two things are a good place to start and they are what I aspire to teach my child.
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as an ethnic minority (who is not muslim), I grew up with this level of intolerance and hatred. yes in Australia. This attitude is so not surprising. Anyone remember this?
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.
Problem with white privilege and it is about race, just masked as “religion”, is that we (because I am now assimilated) think we are inured from all of this.
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But how would Collingwood get any supporters otherwise???
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OMG cheeky – brilliant way to inject just the right amount of humour into this debate – LOVE it
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Love it!!!! I’d have to say that same about the Paramatta Eels (my husband’s NRL team … )
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A great post. Thanks Mia.
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I notice amongst all of those things you listed that missing from the list were several things that your regular readers would know you are quite passionate about. I wonder how much of those things get discussed in front of, or even with, your kids.
I wonder if we (parents in general) leave out too much from what we talk to our kids about. I also wonder if we (my partner and I) do that too. We don’t owna tv so some of the “news” that the kids have access to is through watching BTN at school.
I wonder if this is a good thing, bad thing, or just a thing.
It is likely that BTN will be showing the riots in the near future, but our kids have no idea at this stage that there WERE any riots. Good, Bad or Indifferent? who knows.
These musings are rhetorical. I don’t actually want you to tell me your views.
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I admire you. I wish I had thought about the media impact on my children and done the same as you. In fact, I would have gone a step further and home schooled them. They are so impressionable and are constantly bombarded with tales of horror. They must be exhausted from it.
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Mia- you are so disarming.
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I’m not sure I agree with you completely Mia.
I definitely agree that our job as parents is to raise kind, caring and socially informed children, whose priorities it is to treat everyone equal and with respect. That’s a no-brainer to me. I think there is a clear line between teaching your children to be kind to others “treat them like you wish to be treated” or to be judgemental and abusive to others “Behead those who insult the Prophet”.
However! My dad is a fairly conservative man, who’s never been a fan of the massive amount of immigrants from the Middle East, who live in the area where I grew up. While we’ve never had many discussions about homosexuality, I’m quite convinced that he’s not a particular fan of that either. Yet he’s raised four incredibly socially empathetic children (if I may say so myself).
My dad and I would have loud political discussions on a regular basis at the dinner table, unless I’d have the smarts to just keep quiet.
My mum has never been an opinionated woman, and you could argue that her way of being has rubbed off more on me, yet I do find that I have fairly strong opinions on many subjects, they’re just not in the same political area as those of my dads.
Don’t dismiss the impact the rest of the world has on children and forming their opinions.
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I have so many examples/thoughts on this but all I have to put down in words is BEST article in a long time Mia, thankyou!!
This one will stick around in my head all day.
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So true. We are a product of our parents. I know I got to an age though where I felt comfortable doing things differently to the way my parents would. A lot of atheists claim that religions shouldn’t count children as members because kids haven’t opted to sign up to a particular religion, they’re just indoctrinated. I wish I hadn’t been raised Catholic.
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I think you make a good point here, that even though we are the product of our parents, we get to an age where we can choose, to either continue being that product or think for ourselves.
Rather then getting to hung up in the “right or wrong” values (which can add more pressure to parenting!), we need to teach our children to think critically and compassionately, to question the status quo even if that means confronting us as parents.
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As an aside, I remember when you wrote the leggings-as-pants article Mia and the blogger, Fatheffalump wrote a post in response calling you ableist and sizeist, etc.
Just reminded me what you deal with regularly as a relatively high profile public figure!
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How did it become a disability and size issue? I read that article and am struggling to see how she drew that conclusion lol
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A friend texted me and said that Ray Hadley was saying someone should call DOCS about the mother.
What would that do? What does he mean call DOCS? Does he want the child taken away from the mother?
While it’s unfortunate that a little boy was involved in such controversy that really no 5 year old should be part of when they are, well only 5, but at the same time you can’t take away a kid from their mother based on outrageous views.
If that were the case then I’d happily call to take away all children that belong to racist parents! But you can’t do that!!!
Shockingly enough I know a lot of racist people. I have a friend who’s grandma hates Asians and black people. Fucked up I know. But her daughter and her daughter’s daughter are lovely people who aren’t racist.
Most of the time the parent’s views will become their child’s views and that is natural. If most people are transferring good, positive, kind and loving views onto your children then that is all we can do for now.
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If they start removing children for that, then NSW is going to need A LOT more foster carers!!
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While I agree with you, I still believe that this incident (the placard) should be taken a lot more seriously than it is. Teach a child that you don’t like this or that group is one thing (and not something I would do). But the card this child was induced to display in public was incitement to murder. And that is not (did I say not?) OK, and the parents need to be counselled that it will not be tolerated. If there isn’t a law against incitement to murder during a protest, the law needs changing.
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I tend to agree that this should be taken very seriously Justin. We do need to draw a line when it comes to using children to incite hatred, and in recent times we have tended too far beyond racial sensitivity under some circumstances. But I think it’s too simplistic to take these kids from their mothers. They are victims too. I do hope they insist on counselling and ongoing monitoring of the parents though. It is just such poor judgement on behalf of the mothers/fathers if they were there. That is concerning.
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I’m of the belief that people are always on their best behaviour in public. What they do and say in the privacy of their own home is always 10 times worse than what they do and say in public. So with that, and given the fact the woman knew the police would likely come and check her childrens home situation, it would be better if there were random follow up visits just to make sure that what they saw today is a true reflection of what these kids are being exposed to on daily basis at home. And sure, they may have taken the children because they didnt think the protest would turn violent, but how do they explain that the child holding a sign that orders that people be murdered?
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That is the point. Where do people think the “taken” children go? Kinship placement? Probably believe the same thing? Foster care? Good luck finding one of them.
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So true Izzy. I know a lot of racist people too (sometimes my husband included). It’s infuriating to hear people make calls like this and at the same time probably saying to their TV in front of their kids send them home.
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Great article – it really made me think.
My partner and I will aim to instil strong values in our child – i.e honesty, compassion and empathy.
As far as beliefs, we plan to tell them what we believe, but make a conscious attempt to educate them about alternative viewpoints – i.e. “Mum and Dad don’t believe there’s a God – but some people do, and that’s okay, as long as they don’t use their beliefs to hurt other people.”
They’re on their own with picking a footy team – it’s fun when everyone’s wearing different colours on game day!
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Nice. If only we would all teach our kids that whatever views we have is all well and good and personal, but we must treat each other with the type care and concern with which we would like to be treated. Now that would be a great world. No bullying, tolerance, consideration……the list goes on
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