The vending machine
Welcome to the Mamamia Wine Bar where you can kick back with a drink of whatever you like and digest a few of today’s biggest talking points:
1. The morning-after pill vending machine
Students at Shippensburg University in central Pennsylvania can get the “morning-after” pill by sliding $25 into a vending machine installed at the request of the student government. The pill is available without a prescription to anyone 17 or older. You cannot get chocolates or drinks from the same machine – we checked!
The Etter Health Center at Shippensburg provides the Plan B One Step emergency contraceptive along with condoms, decongestants and pregnancy tests. Handy no? “The machine is in a private room in our health center, and the health center is only accessible by students, In addition, no one can walk in off the street and go into the health center”
2. Occupy Facebook – with boobs!
Facebook have been removing photos of mothers breastfeeding, under its terms of agreement which state ‘users cannot post content that is hateful, pornographic, contains nudity or incites violence’. According to Facebook “On some occasions, breastfeeding photos contain nudity – for example an exposed breast that is not being used for feeding – and therefore violate our terms.”
Australian blogger, Eden Riley has launched a breastfeeding revolution on her Facebook page – Edenland. She says:
This issue runs deeper than breastfeeding photos. It’s questioning the rules of what is and isn’t considered socially acceptable and offensive these days, both on and offline. I have four children – two young boys, and two teenage stepkids. The things I have seen on my teenagers facebook walls have been horrifying, and I am no prude. Crotch shots, cleavage photos of fifteen year old girls, facebook groups with incredibly offensive content. THESE are the things that need policing. Not women feeding their children.
Here’s a gallery of some of the shots that have been sent in to Eden in protest.
3. Forget money, how about sexual favours?
A taxi driver acquitted of raping a drunk 25-year-old female passenger claims cab drivers are frequently offered sexual favours as payment.
Prabhjit Gill, 37, said he knew of up to 60 drivers who had been offered sex, and said he was personally offered oral sex as payment for fares “two or three times” a month. He said he never accepted sexual favours as payment, but knew of many drivers who did. He said Swan Taxis warned drivers during their training course that they would be offered sex, and told them “your job is to say no.”
4. Harmony Day
Harmony Day, which is celebrated around Australia on 21 March each year, is a day when all Australians celebrate our cultural diversity. Here’s the ad (watch out for Mia) and send it to everyone you know. What a brilliant message. Welcome to Australia EVERYONE:
And another thing…
If you need to catch up on the news from today, check out our news post here.
Also on Mamamia today we discussed the women that we admire,we shared what would be on our ‘reverse bucket lists’ – and if you have no idea what a reverse bucket list is, hop on over and read about it here.
We looked inside the life of a street sex worker – it’s an absolute must-read. Plus, if you haven’t seen it already, check out this heartbreaking ad for adoption – it made everyone in the MM office want to adopt several dozen children.
Speaking of the MM office, we had a very exciting announcement to make in today’s Open Post. Also a gallery to flick through
We couldn't think of a nicer family for Fin to come home to. Brad, Rebecca and little Ava now have a son and brother.
Now over to you, what’s on your mind?
Comments
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I can understand the appeal of obtaining the Morning After Pill (MAP) from a vending machine. There can sometimes be a lack of privacy in pharmacies and I’m sure many women feel uncomfortable with the multitude of questions they are asked by the pharmacist before being able to purchase the medication. But as a pharmacist I believe it is incredibly important to have some sort of discussion / offering of advice before taking the MAP. There are many cases in which the MAP is contraindicated and pharmacists are trained to screen for this information. Factors such as age, pregnancy status, drug interactions, and other medical conditions all come into play when deciding whether it is safe for a woman to use the MAP. So while I believe every woman has the right to use the MAP, I also believe that the drug must be used safely and appropriately.
Also, congratulations to Rebecca and her family – what a gorgeous baby!
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I don’t have a problem with people breast feeding in public, go for it, of course. But I do have a problem with the breast feeding movement getting so insane that I felt guilty feeding my baby a bottle of formula in public. That’s a whole different can of worms.
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It gets scary sometimes bottle feeding doesnt it! A lady made me cry in the supermarket while i was buying formula!
u cant seem to win! If u breastfeed u get some sort of crap and if u bottle feed u get some sort of crap! I wish everyone would feed their babies how ever they want and stop making people feel bad about how they feed them breast or bottle whatever…just feed the kid! wherever and whenever it needs to be fed!
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Zoe, as a fellow mum I’m so sad you were made to feel guilty for feeding your baby
I’m a pretty passionate breastfeeder but I also really don’t see the issue with formula feeding. It’s still food, right?
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i personally don’t want to see pictures of people breastfeeding, but i also don’t want to see photos of drunken pashes, girls wearing barely anything and people generally acting like douches…. hence why i don’t look at people’s photo albums.
People actively choose to look at someone’s FB album. If you don’t want to see the content, don’t (however this is made difficult when your news feed shows a couple of photos of a new album… can you choose which images these will be??)
I hope the vending machine doesn’t become a way for people to have unprotected sex knowing that there is a hassle free way to get the MAP. I’d also be worried about girls being on othe medication and mixing it with the MAP and it may have consequences. But other than those concerns, i think it’s a great idea
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Does that mean you don’t want to see a woman breastfeeding in public either?
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Vending machine emergency contraception is excellent !! i wish we had that here. I also think it should be free! or at least discounted for those with a HCC.
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Choice for women who want the MAP is great, but what about the health risks involved? What if women are more than 12 weeks pregnant?
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Well I think women should be responsible for being well informed about the MAP and any potential health risks before they take it. if unsure go to a pharmacy or dr for further consultation instead.
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Anonymous – the morning after pill is exactly that – for use the morning after not 12 weeks later. The effectiveness lessens as the hours pass and is not recommended after 72 hours
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The MAP is contraindicated in pregnancy, however this reflects a lack of benefit rather than any risk to the pregnancy. Using the MAP during pregnancy won’t terminate the pregnancy.
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To the people who find breastfeeding women uncomfortable to be around, I have a genuine question…why? What makes you feel uncomfortable?
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I’m puzzled by this too.
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When I was a kid I was uncomfortable with mothers breast feeding in front of me, but super-curious at the same time – I didn’t know where to look! Now, if anyone whips out a boob for a feed, I don’t bat an eyelid but marvel at the miracle that is mothers’ milk.
I’m not sure who these uncomfortable adults are – I don’t think I know any.
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All for mothers being able to breastfeed in public, I’ve never found it uncomfortable, but know of one instance that I find a little iffy.
My work friend was slowly getting through a queue of waiting customers when a mother sat down right in front of her whipped out the boob and started to feed her baby.
Problem was when my friend ask how she could help her, the woman responded with ” hold on, wait until I’m finished” she also refused to move aside to allow other customers to be served while she was busy, even when my friend asured her she could come straight back to the front of the line.
So everyone got to stand around for 15 mins not knowing where to look.
Would that be consider ok behavior?
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How gorgeous is Bec?! Inside & out! A massive congratulations to your beautiful, perfect family x x
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Noo the morning after pill needs to be given by a chemist because there ARE contraindications to it, just like not everyone can take the pill, not everyone can take the morning after pill.
It should be OTC, but needs to be given with advice.
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I had to take it once, although it was a long time ago now, and they may be better these days, but it made me violently ill even after taking the anti nausea tablet that I was also given I think it should be under medical supervision for that reason.
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There are a few different types, some do make you really nauseous. The main ones they usually prescribe now aren’t too bad, but it’s still a common side effect.
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I think women should be able to decide whether they need advice from the chemist before taking the MAP or whether they are comfortable buying it from a vending machine. Many women are well informed about it, have taken it before and do not need a chemist to dispense it. Still of course that option should be available for women who would like to ask questions or may not have taken it before.
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contraceptive is and incorrect term for the morning after pill contra meaning against or in oppostition to and ceptive being ception, the fertelisation of an egg. The morning after pill is a post-conception birth control.
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Not true, the morning after pill doesn’t work that way at all!
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OH MY GOSH!! I am so happy for Bec and her family! It is such a beautiful photo and they all look so happy! Xx Congratulations Bec Xx
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Yay Fin!!!
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The ‘time and place’ for breast feeding is when baby is hungry. That is it. There really is no way you can claim that a woman feeding her hungry baby is inappropriate. What is inappropriate is her denying her baby food because you are uncomfortable with it.
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No one is disputing feeding a baby when it’s hungry, more why people feel the need to put photo’s of said activity up on Facebook for the world to see.
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It’s probably the same reason anybody puts any of their pictures up onto Facebook.
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I think it’s about the symbolism. By Facebook declaring these images to be “explicit” or unsuitable, to associate breast feeding with sexually graphic acts is hugely damaging to the perception – and the truth! – that it is the most natural thing in the world to do with your boobs.
By telling one woman her photo isn’t ok, you’re telling all women that breast feeding is not ok or should be hidden.
Shocker.
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And seeing the pussycat dolls performing their strip tease in their film clip is totally acceptable and no one is censoring that. There is something very very wrong here. Why are people worried about breast feeding when there are bigger issues at hand. Is it men who have the issue with public breast feeding? Or Women??
PS – Why did they put the pic of the mum giving the ‘up yours’ sign with her fingers in the montage?? Not smart.
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There are groups on Facebook (and elsewhere) that are about natural parenting, like one that I’m in, we all posted pics of us wearing our babies a few weeks ago. We’re generally breastfeeding Mamas as well, but I can’t recall anyone posting pics of them breastfeeding.
The natural parenting “Crunchy Mamas” can get pretty militant, and they are right into posting pics of themselves breastfeeding. The ones that spring to mind are touristy ones, especially from hardcore crunchers who tandem feed (ie they breastfeed their older kid while they’re pregnant/have the younger one). It’s a badge of honour for them.
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What is a crunchy mama?
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Should have clarified! Sorry – Crunchy is an American slang term for kind of hippy? They’re right into extended breastfeeding, Natural Childbirth, Attachment Parenting in general, homeschooling, often anti-vax, organic vegetarian.. You get the picture.
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What would happen if everyone posted a breastfeeding picture (not necessarily their own) to their Facebook profile for a day? I imagine FB would get the message that we don’t want them defining our social norms.
Suddenly regretting that I have no photos of tandem feeding my twins to post (hard to tandem feed and take a photo!)
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That would be interesting to see what happens…
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I’m a member of a FB group of mums and a lot of them posted bf pictures to the group (which is private) in protest.
They were all beautiful pictures and helped normalise for me something I enjoy doing with my baby but feel slightly ashamed of given public perception.
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It is part of their day. An inoffensive part of their day. Toddlers copying, breastfeeding in costume, mum looking serene…all good photo opportunities.
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Yeah, I commented yesterday that I wouldn’t have a problem if someone took a photo that happened to include me breastfeeding and posted it, like at a picnic or something. I wouldn’t bother taking a pic myself, but I have actually taken a photo of KDot asleep on my boob after a feed when she was tiny.
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I think there is breastfeeding and breastfeeding though. Most women just want to feed their baby as discretely as possible…and then there are the women who like to make an issue of it and expose as much flesh unecessarily as possible, and then take photos of it and post the photos publically.
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I absolutely agree that women should feel safe and comfortable to feed their baby in public.
And I understand that is the wider issue here, but I have to ask why people would even want that up on facebook? Just like idiotic drunken photos and people making out with other people. There is a time and a place, and I think some photos are for our own personal files, not to be made public to the entire world.
That being said, there are some beautiful breastfeeding photos in the above gallery. I think 5 and 10 are gorgeous! Cutey babies!
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Agreed. I wouldn’t take a photo of myself eating and put it on Facebook and I sure as hell wouldn’t want any photos of me taken while I have my boobs out.
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May I ask why anyone feels a special desire to put a breastfeeding photo on facebook…?
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Cos some people enjoy breastfeeding, some people LOVE breastfeeding, some people are proud of breastfeeding, some people want to make a point of sharing their breastfeeding experience. Amongst other reasons!
(I’m just guessing here. I’ve never shared a breastfeeding photo on Facebook.)
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I can’t look at the photos of breast feeding without my heart aching! I loved breastfeeding my 3 so much I did it until they were almost 2. I see it as one of my greatest achievements, and am proud to have fed my babies for so long. It really is a special time in your life and should be celebrated.
Tits are for feeding as well as ogling at!!!!
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There’s definitely a time and a place for breastfeeding, which is anytime, any place. Facebook isn’t removing photos of adults having sandwiches, but feel free to dedicate a page to that if you want.
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As someone who will hopefully be a mum in about 32 weeks, this latest breast-feeding drama is really quite upsetting and confronting. And it’s not just about the ability to post photos on FaceBook. It’s the attitude to breast-feeding in general that’s upsetting.
I hope desperately that I’ll be able to b/f my baby. But it’s also very saddening to know that I’ll only be able to b/f in my own home because the thought of having to b/f my child somewhere (such as a cafe) is already making me extremely anxious thanks to all the nasty comments.
What the hell do I do if the baby wants a feed while we’re out and the bottle is empty? Parent rooms in the city I live in are few and far between (outside of the massive shopping complexes). If I’m having lunch with my Husband at his workplace, the nearest parent room is a 20 minute walk away and if I feed in a public place then I could be on the receiving end of some very nasty language, or possibly have a bucket of water tipped on me (like another mum I know).
I just can’t believe how many people find breast-feeding offensive.
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Anon, I have a six month old and I have never had a comment from anyone. (Actually that’s not true, the old ladies sometimes say how nice it is to see a woman feeding her baby, mostly when I’m at the leagues club after my bub’s “swimming lessons”.)
Don’t feel discouraged by the morons. I think they’ve got some deep mental issues they need to come to terms with. There’s lots of us out there breastfeeding in public every day. Take pride in your ability to nourish a human being! You can do it!
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Don’t you think you’re being a bit rude calling people morons just because they may feel uncomfortable around Mums breastfeeding? I don’t think they have mental issues, for some people it genuinely makes them feel very uncomfortable, they aren’t wrong for feeling like that just because YOU think they shouldn’t.
This is what I can’t STAND about the breastfeeding debate. The pro breastfeeding think they are completely RIGHT and that people who genuinely feel uncomfortable about being around breastfeeding women should “just get over it”.
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I believe the morons are the people who feel the need to tell a Mother she shouldn’t breastfeed in public. Who feel the need to denigrate her, offend her, or open their mouths about it and express their displeasure.
Breastfeeding in public normalises breastfeeding. Posting pictures of what is a beautiful experience on facebook, is also normalising breastfeeding – or at least, attempting to.
I’ve breastfed my daughter for two years now (still going) and I’ve never had anyone say a bad word to me. When I first started I used a cover, but that was more about my anxiety than real concern for anyone else. As she became older, and I became more confident, we stopped using it.
The more people see feeding in public, the more attention that is brought to this issue, the more people will hopefully begin to realise that it should not be an issue – that there is nothing wrong with it.
Sadly, breastfeeding, and extending breastfeeding are not the norm in this country, and the stigmatising of it does nothing to help mothers that are already anxious about a skill that they aren’t sure they’ll be able to master.
Chin up original poster – you can and will breastfeed. Rely on the ABA to help you, and lactation consultants if you need them. You will be okay.
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“the more people will hopefully begin to realise that it should not be an issue – that there is nothing wrong with it.”
You’ve just proven my point.
Just because people feel uncomfortable about being around something, doesn’t mean they think there is something wrong with the actual activity. It just means THEY aren’t comfortable being around it, which is their right, just as much as it’s a mothers right to breastfeed her child.
I don’t feel comfortable being around nudists on a nudist beach but I don’t think there is anything wrong with it and I don’t stop them from doing it but I am grateful that they don’t walk around the streets with no clothes on because I would be very uncomfortable.
You will find that the people who are uncomfortable around breastfeeding, are referring to the women who just pull their breast out, whack their baby on and let it all hang out so to speak for everyone to see. Yup, it’s your right to feed your child but it’s Mr Jones right to shop without having to see something that makes him uncomfortable.
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I am one of those women who pulls her breast out and whacks bub on. When he’s done I cup it in my hand and shove it into my bra again. I do not try and hide it anymore, so anyone who’s looking in those few seconds is going to cop an eyeful!
I actually disagree about poor old Mr Jones having a right to shop without seeing something that makes him uncomfortable. Do gay couples make him uncomfortable? Mixed race ones? What about people with disabilities? Where do we draw the line?
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This is in reply to JosieY
My point is you can’t tell people to “just get over” how they feel.
The Breastfeeding brigade is shouting from the rooftops that they cannot and should not be told what and where they can feed their babies and yet they also think it’s fine to tell other people what is and isn’t ok for them to feel eg if someone feels uncomfortable seeing someone breastfeed, they have to “just get over it” because it’s a natural thing – it’s called being two faced, don’t yell for your rights and feelings not to be minimised if you’re in fact doing the same to others.
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Here’s the thing where you’re confused – I’m not saying people cannot be uncomfortable. I’m saying they have no rights in regard to expressing that discomfort to a woman who is feeding her baby.
No right to judge how she does it, where she does it, or the age of the child. No right to demand she does it somewhere else, or covered up, or in a manner that makes her feel comfortable.
Breastfeeding in public is protected (and rightly so) by law. So again, you’re off the mark – the woman, and the baby, have rights in this regard – Mr Jones does not.
The more people that do it, easily, and freely and comfortably, the more normal the activity becomes. The less objectional and likely to make others uncomfortable it becomes.
Now, comparing a nudist beach to a baby feeding is a ridiculous argument. Apples and oranges comparisons don’t mean anything – one thing is a lifestyle choice, the other is the natural way to feed a child.
The problem is that breasts (and women) have become little more than an object of desire to many people – and the base biological function of them seems to be forgotten by many people – hence the hang ups and the uncomfortableness.
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They really should get over it though… If they feel uncomfortable, they should remove themselves from the environment. Their issue, no one needs to feel judged for simply feeding a hungry baby.
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Do not worry! Your best friend will be a cotton/ silk scarf. Purchase a nice one and then when you are feeding you can drape it across your shoulder where the baby is latched on, this then covers your exposed breast so no passers by can see you. It worked wonders for me and no one ever even noticed I was feeding. Get a really light one and it will not bother baby at all, it also helps to shade bubba from the sun if you are outside.
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Happyface – you stole my advice
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Don’t feel anxious, Anon. I breastfeed everywhere and I’ve never had a problem. I don’t even use a cover and am still able to be very discreet. I was also worried about public breastfeeding before my son was born and now I just don’t care what anyone else thinks. His needs are more important to me than anyone else’s and I’ve done so much breastfeeding that it feels easy and relaxed now. The only reason I ever go to a parents room is for the comfy chairs!
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Ha, same, Katherine – there are some nice parents rooms now, thankfully (some not so nice ones as well, man some nappies STINK those places out when they’re in those disposal bins all together!). I don’t cover up either and I’ve fed KDot tons of places. The only people who’ve said anything are old ladies who come up and go out of their way to say they think it’s wonderful. We’ve been going for 10 months here.
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Don’t worry, often all of these people who are so “offended”‘by the act of breastfeeding your baby when and where he/she needs it, may be vocal online but they will leave you in peace when you’re actually doing it. Don’t let them put you off
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I breastfed my son for 4 months and my daughter for 3 years. I live in Brisbane and don’t drive so I used to feed them on public transport all the time as well as out and about wherever we were. I got a few supportive comments which was nice and a lot of smiles. No-one ever said anything negative. I’m sure there must have been people who were bothered by it but they aren’t brave enough to say anything in real life, they just bitch on the internet instead. What I found most surprising was how many people were completely comfortable with it. When I started I used a big blanket and would read a book while feeding because I didn’t want to look up and see people staring at me, I was very self-conscious. But people used to come up and ask about the baby and make conversation, men and women, who didn’t seem bothered at all.
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I’ll add that I stopped feeding my daughter out and about when she was under 2, by then I was only feeding her to sleep at night. I’m guessing I probably would have got some reactions from people if I’d fed her in public as a 2 year old. People are weird that way, ok to feed a baby but not an older toddler.
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Don’t worry. People don’t care. Pick a cafe with lots of prams. Our mothers group used to breastfeed in the middle of cafes all the time. One friend would be always exposing herself without realising – caught up in mid-sentence – child lunging for breast.
You can’t take on other people’s hang ups with boobs. Anyway, it’s illegal to be asked to stop.
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The funny thing about breastfeeding is that the time and place for it is when the baby needs it and wherever you happen to be at the time.
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The breastfeeding in public argument is a separate argument. I don’t think many people have a problem with feeding your baby in the middle of a shopping mall, or whenever and wherever that may be.
This argument is whether, when it is the time and place for your baby to be fed, you need to stop, take a photo, and upload it to facebook. They’re not removing photos of people breastfeeding, they’re removing photos where the other breast is exposed (like in Lucy Allen’s (??) photo). They say no nudity. They mean no nudity. If people don’t agree with that stipulation, they could say ‘fuck facebook’ and go load their photos onto Twitter or anywhere else they want to show photos of themselves breastfeeding.
They would delete photos of people having sex, and for a childless person, to me, that’s as natural and beautiful as a child breastfeeding. But then again, I would never load photos of myself having sex to facebook…
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Actually, the photo that facebook removed from the Edenland page did not have the other breast exposed, barely any of the feeding breast was exposed either.
Most of the photos are not of a mother breastfeeding, but of the baby being fed – the photo is of a baby, with the mother being background really.
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I’m sorry but they *are* removing pics of breastfeeding, whether the other breast is exposed or not. A friend of mine (who was a part of the protest in Sydney yesterday) had her photo removed and you couldn’t see any more of her breasts than you would be able to see if she was wearing a low-cut top. It was that tame.
If they don’t want boobs on Facebook, then fine. But then they should be equally aggressive in removing pics of boobs which don’t have babies attached to them. Because I have seen photos posted of women who are exposing much more than any of the breastfeeding pics I’ve seen. A friend of a friend is a model for a girly mag and she has dozens of photos of herself on her profile where you can see all but her nipples. They aren’t privacy-locked, so anyone could come across them. Why haven’t *those* been removed?
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I am clucking, cluckerty, cluck, cluck. I want another baby to breastfeed!!
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Lucky I’m feeding bub at the moment or I would be lactating everywhere!
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I was so impressed when I was in Vegas and saw a Clinique vending machine – but the morning after pill? That’s genius!
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Breastfeeding is completely natural, no doubt about it and on the whole, I do not have an issue with it.
However, I did not need to log onto Facebook yesterday and have nearly all of my entire stream littered with breasts. Yes children are attached to those breasts feeding but I still didn’t need to see picture after picture without any warning, especially with a 12 year old boy sitting next to me.
Like Nicky said, there is a time and a place for it.
And no matter how much people who are for breastfeeding bang on about how natural it is, there are people that feel uncomfortable around it and there’s nothing wrong with that, they are entitled to feel like that, it doesn’t make them a prude or wrong in their views, it just makes them uncomfy.
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I don’t understand what would be wrong with any child,boy,girl of any age seeing a breast feeding image.Boys need to understand that this is a perfectly natural thing for a mother to do for her baby,by not letting him see these images are you making them seem dirty some how? I’m not having a go at you but I am really surprised by your statements…perhaps this is why women are taking a stand,clearly attitudes need to change to bring breast feeding back to being just a normal thing.
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It is a perfectly natural thing..but as the mother of two boys one 5 and the other 17, I was very aware when breastfeeding my second son that my 12 year old (at the time) did not want to see more than he had to of his mothers breasts!! He was just coming to terms with the fact that his mum and dad were obviously still having sex…..
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I’ve had a driver ask for sexual favours instead of taxi fare. I told him to take me as far as $20 would get me. He turned the meter off after $20 and kept driving…then pressured me for sex. He turned onto a freeway so there wasn’t any way I could tell him to stop and let me out. It wasn’t until he realised I was completely sober and jotting down his details that he said he’d just take the $20… (I now only get in a taxi with a friend)
And regarding boobs on FB. I guess I can see their point with exposed breasts that aren’t being used for feeding. In a non-breastfeeding context it would be seen as nudity. If it was that pics of breastfeeding were removed I’d be upset as I don’t see the issue…I don’t know….hmm, pregnancy brain is kicking in I think. It’s all those adorable baby photos
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Would Facebook take down that infamous photo of Miranda Kerr breast feeing or is she given a free pass? …
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Great can’t wait for the Facebook page dedicated to adults eating sandwiches! Riveting stuff! Babies peeing is natural too. Do we need to also have a Facebook page dedicated to changing nappies too?
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Wow. You’ve missed the point so hard I’m surprised you didn’t hurt yourself.
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I suppose the point I am trying to make is this – is nothing sacred anymore? Do we have to post absolutely everything on Facebook? Where do we draw the line? I have absolutely nothing against breastfeeding but do we really need to document every single thing or are some things best kept for you and your loved ones to enjoy?
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I’m inclined to agree somewhat – I don’t have children yet, but I would not want photos of me breastfeeding on a public forum like Facebook, I mean, I’m a solicitor, imagine if one of my clients saw it or my boss, or worse, a judge, I would feel like my private life had been invaded.
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Thank you for clarifying.
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The morning after bill, available in a non-confronting way, but unlikely to be abused due to the cost? Fantastic idea.
The breastfeeding photos just make me want to have another baby
My BIL was a taxi driver for a while, and he says he was regularly offered sexual favours by female passengers. Not sure how being offered sexual favours is any sort of defence against a rape charge, though??
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RE: The taxi driver. Good grief, I remember when I was at uni, we used to go out for 2 for 1 nights on Thursdays and my friends would spend all their money and offer taxi drivers a flash or something to get out of the taxi fare. I would always just throw money at the driver for everyone (somehow I always had money at the end of the night) and push them all out of the cab. NO WONDER they all travelled overseas while we were at uni and I had no money, I was constantly paying to save their dignity!
I remember one night when my housemate got home, I think she had tried this exact trick on the driver, and I’m not sure what happened but she came in our front yard screaming (she used to come home screaming obscene things regularly when drunk, this sounded no different to usual) and I just ignored her (I worked in retail at uni so, at 4am on Sunday morning, I had to be up in 2 hours for work), then the screaming stopped and my other flat mate and I went outside and she was screaming that the cab driver tried it on with her and that we were terrible people for not coming out straight away and he could have killed her! The cab driver said to me he just wanted to be paid, so I handed him cash and he left. I have NO IDEA what really happened, whether she offered and he accepted, then she changed her mind once she got to the house, or whether she just got out of the cab without paying and thought if she screamed he was attacking her she’d get out of the cab fare.
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Of course breast feeding photos should be taken down.
Yes breast feeding is a natural thing, but so is a Penis? Is it ok if we upload photos of that onto facebook aswell….
It contrains nudity therefore should be taken down. Some people want too many rights
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When my daughter is eating she covers more of my boob than some bikinis. Why is one acceptable, and not the other?
I don’t think a photograph of feeding a child is classed as ‘too many rights’, eating is basic human SURVIVAL.
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More photos of penises on Facebook, I say!
(I’m kidding)
The weird thing about this Facebook absurdity around breast feeding is that you can rarely if EVER see the nipple – just the skin around the breast.
Which is usually less than you’d see in an average red carpet image of a woman with cleavage.
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Pretty soon your kid’s head is bigger than your boob anyway – true about covering more than a bikini top.
I think as a society we are very confused when boobs are used for anything other than sex.
Sex we’re fine with.
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I have enormous tits, and my babies’ heads were always dwarfed by them.
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I think your comparison is ridiculous – unless you really are saying that you would be equally offended by seeing a baby being breasted, and being flashed in public.
In my opinion a more realistic comparison is an adult sitting eating a sandwich. Both are people receiving nourishment.
If I had been able to find a photo of myself breastfeeding I would have put it on the Edenland Facebook page. Have you looked? Not an offensive photo in sight in my opinion.
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I think it’s a bit far to say its EXACTLY the same as eating a sandwich…
Of course its natural to breast feed, but there is definately a time and a place for it.
Many of those photos definately had alot of a exposed breast… Many didnt aswell, but where do you draw the line? I dunno just not appropariate in my opinion… and most people shouldnt be offended theyre taken down, save that for your own personal family albums
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I think it was the term “offensive” that people were objecting to. And I guess you draw the line like you would with any other topic on Facebook. Such as when is a “kick a slut” or “we flew here you grew here” facebook page considered unacceptable but a nipple not.
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I think you’re missing the point … it’s about breastfeeding being considered ‘normal’. The way our society is structured, there is (a) a shift to breasts being only sexual (if this was about demanding more pictures of breasts barely covered or not covered by clothes would you be feeling the same objections?) and (b) not enough exposure in everyday life to see what is a normal thing: breastfeeding. When you breastfeed your first child it can be extremely daunting, it certainly was for me and mainstream doesn’t offer much exposure to show how effortless it can be.
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(Let me just stop & say this is NOT about BF vs bottle … that’s a whole other topic
Shall we say take down the photo of you acting like a drunken idiot at the party last Friday? Or the photo of your brand new baby in the delivery ward? Or the photo of you kissing your (insert significant other here)? Or many other humanly possible excerpt from life? That’s what facebook IS.
I appreciate a line has to be drawn somewhere, I don’t envy that job at all, but something that isn’t sexual and can help, why the big hoo-hah?
ETA I posted at the same time as mrssavage … my response was to Nicky
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No there isn’t a time and place for it. That’s the point. Breastfeeding is an any time and any place sort of thing. You know when you’re shopping and you can hear a young baby screamin?. Most of the time it needs a feed or comforting and mum is frantically looking for somewhere to sit and feed. It really shouldn’t be that hard. Photos on FB normalise BF a little more and are not offensive
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You are right, it isn’t exactly the same as eating a sandwich. It is much more natural (especially if the person is having a sandwich with white bread and processed meat) and babies and young children don’t understand that they have to wait for a ‘socially acceptable’ time to have their lunch unlike an adult eating who is eating a sandwich.