by MIA FREEDMAN
There are two types of people: those who’d keep working if they won Lotto and those who wouldn’t. Me, I’d work. Is it bad to admit that? Am I betraying some unwritten code that states work is a drag and leisure the ultimate goal?
This same code also says every parent (read: mother) should aspire to give up their career to spend more time with their family. Actresses (never actors) are always sprouting off in interviews about how much they want to quit Hollywood to stay home with their kids and yet they never do. I suspect this is because they love their work and their kids. Which is fine. Me too. So why is that something to be denied or played down like a shameful secret?
Wait, I know. It’s because we’re all meant to be reaching for work/life balance with a moral emphasis on the life part. And my hand is up. Hell, I’m a Libra. Looking for balance is MY ASTROLOGICAL JOB.
But I have a few issues with it. First of all, it’s a pretty indulgent concept. To strive for work/life balance you need to have (a) employment and (b) a nice life. Not everyone is so lucky. The guy who works two jobs to put food on the table or the single mother who just got laid off….well, I wonder how often they Google “How Can I Achieve Work/Life Balance?”
Sometimes the pressure to be balanced can itself become a burden. I know what it’s like to feel overwhelmed – it’s my default state – but at certain times in your life, balance is an impossiblity. My husband and I run our own start-up web publishing business that’s in a major growth phase. It’s hectic. This week while trying to organise a Skype meeting with someone, he asked me “Which shift are we talking, day or night? My day shift finishes at 6pm, night shift starts at 8pm.”
I hear you, brother. That’s my life at the moment, hence the overwhelm. (Note: I now feel a pressing need to tell you how much time I spend with my kids so you don’t mutter ‘bad mother’ while shaking your head in faux concern. I DO spend a lot of time with my kids but those spinning plates on sticks are constantly smashing to the ground and I’ve grown quite used to the sound of broken crockery. )
Not everyone is seeking that elusive balance. There’s a hidden subculture of people who actually enjoy devoting most of their waking hours to work. When you’re lucky enough to do something you love, boundaries between work and play blur. And sometimes that makes observers uncomfortable.
A girlfriend was forced to defend herself last year when she sent some work emails from hospital two days after giving birth to her third child. “I didn’t have to but I wanted to” she explained each time her email generated an ‘Are-You-Mad?!’ response. “If I enjoy my work, how is it different to watching TV or reading a book?”
A political journalist I admire who juggles a towering pile of media commitments with two small children is constantly asked “how do you do it?” and her response is equally simple. “If I wasn’t paid to write about politics, I’d follow it anyway. It’s just what I’m interested in. The pay part is a bonus.”
I feel the same way even though many of my work hours are spent away from the office. I’m always the last one to work and the first to leave. I’m also the one who shouts, “Go home and get a life, you losers!” with loving affection as I race out the door. But they don’t want to. They’re all happy shifting their lives in favour of work right now. None of my editorial team have kids. Two have long-distance partners. All are under 30.
In the most biased and disingenuous piece of anecdotal research ever conducted, I asked them whether they like working so much. Apparently, they do and yet they all agreed there was a stigma attached to long hours. “But I think it comes from people who hate their jobs,” said one, adding, “One of my friends works in property and spends her weekends at house inspections, reading home magazines and watching real estate porn. My mum’s a chef and nothing makes her happier than cooking for other people. If you’re lucky enough to enjoy what you do, it’s a gift.”
And when you don’t have the emotional tug of pets, partners or family in your heart and head, it can be a window of opportunity. “Why can’t I fill this non-commitment period of time with work and study and things that I generally see to be more productive than chatting on Facebook?” says one 21 year old who works full time and studies law at night. “Because when you look at it, even with everything I do, my life is still much easier than it would be if I was 40 and had a mortgage and a husband and children and a parent with Alzheimer’s. What’s that saying? ‘Find something you love and you’ll never work another day in your life.’”
True. Meanwhile I’m off to find a dustpan and brush to clean up all my broken plates.
Have you found the elusive work/life balance? Do you know anybody who has? Would you still go to work, even if you weren’t paid? Why?








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LOL I ‘m so glad to read that we are not alone in all this! My husband and I both run our own businesses, working day and night, juggling too many spinning plates… My kids go to daycare and I fit my work in where I can. And sometimes it means doing housework when they are in care so I can have quality time with them when they are home. And daycare is for them as we as me. Sometimes daycare is inconvenient for me, but they love it. If I won lotto I would still work, but I’d pay someone to do the housework so I could have better quality time with the family. No-one should worry about other people’s opinions – we all do what is best for our families
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This post is exactly what I needed today. I have three girls and have worked since they were very little but only on weekends. I have worked hard so that they would not have to go to child care. All three girls are at school this year and tomorrow I start full time work.
I am going to a great job, in an industry that I am passionate about but I am terrified about the work life balance and racked with guilt about not being their for my children after school. On the flip side I am excited about having my weekends as family time, something we have missed out on. I have studied hard to get to where I am but it feels a bit better sweet.
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Good luck with the new job Jojo!
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I have no balance at all.
Work filtrates my life seven days a week and I still don’t have enough time to do the best job I can. I have to rush or sink and rushed work is not my best work.
But I am happy as I get to do good things for people and that does feel good.
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My previous employer (non-state school) would always advocate structures that support work /life balance so I decided to teach part time after baby- I think they were required to support this decision by law.
I thought I would have it good, that was before I was discriminated and penalised from the normal benefits that my full time colleagues were afforded.
Sure work /life balance sounds great , well that’s if your boss is not an idiot! So I left… but I was compensated…long story!!! I won in the end!!!!
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Shivers – is it OK for dudes to write on this site?
At the moment I’m living in France… in the South… and it’s summer… pretty tough stuff really.
Anyway, my wife has been working here as a teachers assistant and I am currently at home with the kids who are 3 and 1.
I am seen as some sort of freak show because almost everyone here puts their kids into daycare from 3 months because it’s as cheap as chips (maybe even cheaper) and they have a mentality of ‘I need to work to have my own identity / I need time to myself.’
My wife has noted how children interact with their parents. They are certainly polite but seem to lack the emotional connection and intimacy that you see in Australia.
I’m just saying there might be a connection…
To be honest I am pretty flipping bored being a full time house husband and have been more than tempted to ‘dump and run’ my two little rays of sunshine / cheeky noisey punks… But (and here come the calls of ‘troll!’) it would feel like it would be paying for someone else to raise my kids because I have better things to do. And I think back to all the stuff we have done together and the memories we have created… Yep.. It’s worth it.
Oh yeah, I know that some people can’t afford
this luxury and some stay at homers are rubbish – but that’s where I’m at.
Thanks for your time.
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Nice to see a guy contribute in a thoughtful way!
I’m curious, to you and other commenters, why stay at home parenting and working parenting is seem at such opposite ends to each other? You are either dumping and neglecting by working, or being a lazy whatever as a stay at home.
Where are the comments from the in-betweens? Why can’t you put your kids into care one day a week and go do something for yourself? Be in work, volunteering or a hobby? Why does it seem all or nothing in so many comments on here (apologies Mark if you are not a regular reader).
I’m genuinely curious – do the part-timers not exist? The one or two days a week doing something fulfilling for yourself? I have heard part time or one day is hard to find.
It just seems odd to me you can’t take one day a week without beating yourself up about neglecting or paying someone else to raise your kids.
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Ooh that’s me! I work from home on project based freelance work, so sometimes I’m very busy, and sometimes not so much. I am also an artist, and create work which is exhibited, sometimes I have deadlines with my artwork too, but mainly it can fit in around the rest of my life. I have two kids, one in kindy and another who is in childcare 2 days a week and with me the rest of the time. When he is at childcare I am often working and fitting in trips to the gym/shops as well. I LOVE working from home. So much time is saved, no one minds if I have banana mashed in to my pants and I don’t have to travel anywhere. But the main difference between me and others is probably that I’m not earning as much money. I have a good hourly rate, but the work is not quite frequent enough, and that I am not as far forward in my career(s) as I imagine people who are working much more often would usually be. But for now, I’m content.
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That’s great to hear. I think more women need to tell those stories, it is really dragging to here the all or nothing stories. Maybe that is why some women are leaving it so late to have kids, they keep hearing the guilt trip of you have to give up your whole life – or be guilted about being a working parent. You are either a martyr for your kids or the selfish full time worker.
Parents deserve to have some time for themselves.
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This is me too. I am blessed to be able to work from home too. For me it has made all the difference. Too many people don’t seem brave enough to try!!!
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Recently retired but worked as at teacher part time for many years after the second of my 4 children were born. I was part of a permanent part time pilot scheme that is now entrenched. I was able to pick up my children after school and be with them during school holidays. They were good times! There wasn’t a lot of me time to be honest. I still felt guilty if I did something on my own. Probably unnecessarily. Once the youngest started school, I went back full time for 5 years but part time after that until retirement and i still have uni student children at home.
I think staying home with small children can be really hard and I needed to work a bit to escape but on the other hand, working all day with other people’s children and having energy for your own afterwards is no picnic either! Definitely happy with my work/life balance however!
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I am a 3 day a week part timer!
Hubby does a 4 day week, on the other two days our wonderful nanny is in charge. My oldest goes to kindy 3 days a week.
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It is interesting isn’t it? I don’t understand why it’s so bad to put your kids in care for a day or whatever a week to do the shopping, go to the gym, work, do whatever you want. I was told somewhere in here that “Its OK for you because you’re a single parent” but then kind of berated for saying that I enjoy the time I’m at uni and KDot is at daycare because it’s just me – like I shouldn’t enjoy what I do when she’s not around? Strange. She’s not neglected or being raised by someone else. She knows who Mummy is. Quite bizarre, isn’t it?
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Love hearing a different perspective. Love your insights. Love your points. Come back again!!
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Everyone is different. There is nothing wrong with loving work and throwing yourself into something and also there is nothing wrong with doing a job simply to live and enjoying life outside of work (so long as the job doesn’t get you down).
As someone who is not having kids work is going to be important in my life. I’ve chosen a career where I think I can really contribute something important to society and I will work hard at it and hopefully be rewarded both with satisfaction and financially.
However much I do like work, and I am choosing to study a passion, I do take issue with some employers and what they expect from employees who are in industries built on love for the job.
Working in hospitality for many years with small business owners many expected you to have the same drive and committment to their business they have. When I was earning 40k a year and asked to work 70 plus hours a week for the love of it, including precious weekend nights, well it wasn’t for me. Maybe worth it to soak up knowledge and go onto be your own business owner, but as a professional employee it was never going to be worth it for me in hospitality.
‘For the love it’ just came up too often in too many positions I had with very little return. I’m sure someone will say that is reasonable or ‘i did it’ but to me it was not a reasonable return on hard work.
I am a good worker and care, but many small business owners lose sight that it is not your business. Too few tie in performance structures or share options etc.
One slightly unrelated thing I want to point out in regards to women and work is that eventually your kids will grow up. It is good to keep a toe in the work force, even if it is one day a week. Keep your skills up. What will you do when your kids leave home or become teens? 20 year old work experience counts for pretty much nil. Retraining from scratch can be hard.
Also divorce happens in something like 50% of marriages. Few women after divorce can remain a SAHM. I see over and over again on this forum mothers advocating full-time SAHM and often putting down working mothers and I worry for them. I support SAHM, but think keeping up with work in some small capacity for your own independence and security is important. Everyone thinks divorce won’t happen to them, but it does and it is often under-skilled or long out of the workforce women who suffer.
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Hi Mia, I really enjoyed this article felt like it was speaking to me (A Libran too endlessly trying to find balance.)
I love my work and love my kids but balance becomes the stress-or sometimes.
I love the fact that you acknowledged that not everyone has a work life balance option or gives a crap gievn that some people are simply trying to make ends meet.
I love how my boss reels this line off every now again like she has it covered.
It saddens me that the comments below are about having a go at mothers (not dads ) about putting there kids in childcare. There are some benefits to childcare also.
I get a look from the Catholic mums committee every time my kids grandparents are seen picking them up, but i think there lucky they have me, grandparents and some exceptional child care professionals in their life what choice.
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I LOVE my job and I’d keep doing it even if I won Lotto. Right now I think I’ve achieve work-life-balance-nirvana. But I’ve worked HARD to position myself in the right time and place to do this. And I made the conscious decision that 2012 was MY year. Last year sucked for very many reasons, so I decided to engineer my life this year to focus on ME. As a result I’m 100 times over a better mother too and no longer grapple with the guilt I used to.
I have preschoolers and I work for myself at home three days a week while the kids are in daycare (2 minutes walk away). On those three days I probably do about 4 or so hours work, go to the gym and usually have an afternoon nap. On days I don’t have a ton of work to do I’ll go for a run at the beach or go do the groceries etc etc. On days when I’m flat out, I’ll still prioritise the gym but let other things slide.
I love my life. LOVE my work. Love my kids. Love the balance. I’m blessed. I’d almost hate to win Lotto in case it rocked the boat too much!!!!
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Good for you Sarah! Sounds idyllic! x
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The term work/life balance implies that work itself isn’t a part of life.
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very true
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SO VERY TRUE
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I know what you are saying and I do agree.It is part of life. I do think though that some people “work to live” while others “live to work.” Not trying to make a judgement though.
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If I won the lotto, I would not be at work ever again. I would want to find the love of a good woman and hang out with her day and night.
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I’ll break it down, someone needs to be honest.
There are two types of children in full-time daycare.
!. Parents who work full-time = neglected children
2. Unemployed parents who don’t give a shit.
Both story’s end the same.
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I think you might want to reread the fourth paragraph
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You forgot the third group: children who are part of happy, loving families whose parents need to or want to work. They are all over the place but don’t make a song & dance so they’re easy to miss
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Dear Sal, There are two types of people in life:
1. Those who throw stones and live in glass houses
2. Those who try and relate to humans on a human level without too much judgement involved.
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How, pray tell, do these stories end, Sal?
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Ridiculous, incorrect, judgemental…
Others have already said why, but I’ll add that Australian data shows, of mothers who work outside the home, 70% do so part time.
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Found myself relating to your article on behalf of my 17 year old son. He is a full time carpentry apprentice who prefers to keep his KFC night and weekend job as something to do with his free time. His idea of work/life balance is one day and one night off to go fishing with his mates. As a child I had to force him to empty the dishwasher with threats of violence. We think he’s a legend! Thanks for your articles, really love your writing.
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Not violence violence, figure of speech, sorry
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I think that anyone who loves what they do – whether it be working or staying home to raise children (or both) – is incredibly lucky. There are so many hard/awful/disgusting/emotionally draining/dangerous/unrewarding jobs in the world, anyone who is lucky enough to work at something they love has incredibly good fortune.
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I love my work. i could work all the time. I do work all the time. I don’t care what people think. The do their thing, I do mine. It’s all good.
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Finding the work/life balance is a new problem. A short generation ago, it was not an issue as technology and associated services had not evolved as significantly as they now have. Women ( and it was mainly women) had to spend the day washing towels in the copper ( this is only the mid 1970s I am talking about); had to go to the actual bank teller to withdraw the money; had to reheat food on the stove top; dry clothes when it was sunny and on it goes. It was all they could do to complete the ‘work’ needed to maintain life, let alone have time to decide if the work/life balance was right. So with all this extra time that technology has afforded us, surely we are spoiled for choice and should be very grateful that we ( this generation of women) have the luxury of indecision and angst?
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I was a kid in the mid 70s and I didn’t know anyone who had a copper…..lots of twin tubs about, but not coppers.
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I was born in the mid seventies and we had a washer and a dryer in our house, air conditioning too! Copper? That was in 1870′s. I’m old enough don’t make it feel older
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To be fair, my mum has talked about using a copper in the 1950s……although I’d love to know why women were so busily washing towels.
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Ummm I was joking about the 1870′s? Plus my family are not from here and the first few years of my mums life were spent in DP camps or refugee if you prefer. So my personal history is one of washing machines. I made the joke to complain about my age
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I remember those temperamental twin tubs – still the bane of my existence in shared houses in the 90′s!
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Excuse me? It was a genuine question & I appreciated catgirls’s response. It wasn’t an attack at all.
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the person that you were replying to must have deleted their comment, so your comment went to the top of the page.
Excuse me? It was a genuine question & I appreciated catgirls’s response. It wasn’t an attack at all.
I don’t know what that person said to you, but I wasn’t offended by your comment and didn’t feel that I was under attack.
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One other point I would like to raise: my god is it crap when you take over a position from someone who didn’t want any work-life balance.
Even if you work 10 hrs a day it makes you look totally incompetent when management were not aware that he/she actually worked 12+ hr days plus weekends… =(
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Work Life balance also has alot to do with timing, in my opinion.
I am 25 years old and a single mother to a daughter of three, and for now I am happy with my balance of working and family time. I work 10-2 Monday to Friday and have very limited support. I have a mother who doesn’t work and is happy to look after her if need be.. which is rare. So she is in care from 930am to 230pm five days a week.
Before I get bashed for “letting someone else raise my child” I would like to mention that she has been in care for about 9 months now, and before then I worked four nights a week and she stayed with my mother, so I had all days with her whilst she was young. When she turned three I realised we all needed a break and the night work was ruining the time we spent together because I was lethargic, easily irritated by little things, and unmotivated.
When I got my new job I got into childcare, and since then the change has been unbelievable in both of us, Miss Three is more social and sleeps a TON better with me putting her to bed every single night, and being there for her if she has bad dreams etc. And cooking dinner, shopping, living our lives normally and happily. When I pick her up we have time in the afternoons to go to the park, visit friends, have a rest together or anything else, before the night bed/bath routine. Life is amazing with this kind of balance.
The timing is good as she is at an age where she still needs alot of time with Mum (and Dad who lives in QLD) but is more independant and happy to socialise at daycare during the day.
Working for me is obviously essential, I need to work or I will have no money to pay my rent, and all other living expenses. I am completely financially independant and I have a good perception of keeping the balance, between working overtime sometimes, and judging when it is too much and I should be with my daughter. We have great quality time together and I think I am very lucky to be able to work such family-friendly hours!!
As she gets older and goes to school, I am going to study teaching at university, as it is what I want to do long term, a job I know I will love. I dont think I am sacrificing any bond or love to my child for choosing to have a career, I believe I am setting a great example about being independant and following your heart in the most sensible way. It sure isn’t easy (I currently study Human Resources by distance at night times) but the opoportunity to work and study in my own time gives me sooooooooooo much more confidence and motivation and direction, and pride in myself to live life independantly.
If I didn’t have to work I would like to think I still would, because the actual act of working and doing something you love provides so many more benefits than just financial relief. If children are involved then I really do think it is about timing and their ages, and their dependability levels as well. Every family is different and even if parents are sometimes busy for periods of time, there are still ways and opportunities to show love to your child. Single parents have a bit more difficulty but it is still certainly possible to find a balance. Just know that over time balance can shift
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Good on you! You’re a great role model for your daughter.
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It sounds like you are doing a great job. You are on your own with a child, you have to work, you have to raise her. She has only got you.
9:30-2:30 sounds great, leaving you a good balance of time that you can spend with her.
Well done you
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Thankyou! I honestly believe single parents (as well as coupled parents to a lesser degree) need to hear praise and positive feed back alot more than we do! I hate fishing for compliments and regardless what I get told from others. I know I am doing a great job and my personal judgement is well in tune with life and child-raising.
It would be fantastic if MM could do an article or two about single parents? There are alot of us out there and the online support is invaluable to boosting our confidence, when it might not seem like we “need” it as such, but secretly it makes us feel wonderful and gives us the strength in the hard times.. This is why I love MamaMia so much!!
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I would love those articles as well Stacey.
We’re a large segment of the population but it seems that we don’t get much ‘air time’ unless it’s something to do with a government payment or custody issues.
I’ve always thought that whichever media dynamo creates a properly supportive and inclusive site here in Australia for single parents to share strategies, get a much-needed pat on the back when times are tough or just have other people to chat to who understand where they’re coming from will be a gazillionaire. If I wasn’t already swamped working from home while caring for my son full time, I’d start it myself haha
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That would be wonderful!! I would love to be involved with an online commmunity like you mentioned. I wonder if there is anything out there that I just haven’t heard about yet? Hmmm.
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Sounds as though you are doing a great job and have awonderful attitude. Good luck.
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Why are men so often left out of this debate? After all it is the ‘ideal male worker model*’ that has created so many road blocks for employees aspiring for work/life balance.
For want of a better word, work/life balance will only be achieved when we get over some of our gender stereotypes. Why is it so often that women are made to feel guilty for not spending enough time with their children while men can be reluctant to admit to bosses and male colleagues that they would like more time at home? When both mum and dad are unhappy surely this effects the whole household, including the kids.
Despite having three (now school-aged) children, both my husband and I work full time because we get a great deal of satisfaction from our work, and also, in order to provide financial security for our family (this cant be denied).
We manage (with our sanity in tact) because we share the load equally – the cooking, the laundry, the maintenance, the childcare, the financial burden – and we also make time to relax and socialise. This, I think, is where ‘balance’ is really important.
The other important factor is we are lucky to have employers who give us a great deal of flexibility (working from home, late starts, early finishes etc. as required). We still both easily rack up 38 hours each week but not all those hours are 9-5 and in the office. This might mean doing some hours on weekends, or keeping our phones on during leave, but its a give and take system that works for us. And this hasn’t come easy. As young parents/employees we felt frustrated and powerless. We have gotten to where we are now because we made having work/life balance a priority to strive for. We have been bold and asked our employers for what we need, letting our work ethic and performance bolster us during negotiations. Nothing will change unless people start demanding it.
*The ideal worker is someone who works at least forty hours a week year round. This ideal-worker norm, framed around the traditional life patterns of men, excludes most mothers of childbearing age” (Williams,J., 2000, Unbending gender: Why family and work conflict and what to do about it. Oxford: Oxford University Press.)
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I wish I could like your post ten times over.
We too seem to struggle less with work/life as a result of everything being about balance, not just work hours. I don’t feel as overwhelmed as a working parent as many other women I know because i’m only doing half of everything else.
Big Fella recently changed his working arrangements nad now gets home as we eat dinner at 6pm and not as previously 4pm. Red Rocket in particular is finding it difficult after years of that time being her ‘daddy time’.
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And while we know the primary school play ground can be hard for some kids trying to fit in and avoid the wrath of bullies, spare a thought for the mothers’ too. The primary school car park, I’m sure, is where so much judgement and admonation is born. It is littered with judgement and disapproval. The guilt heaped on those unable to attend a P&F meeting or help at a working bee becasue (gasp, horror) they are working! The dad’s just don’t seem to suffer from this.
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Top column. I think happy parents make happy kids. My kids love it when I’m super busy and absorbed in something and not wringing my hands over them. Their lives are stable and happy – sometimes they have my full attention, sometimes they don’t but generally they have better lives than 99% of children on the planet.
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Well… This topic is a very emotional one and the comments have been interesting to read. It all comes down to personal choice. For me work makes me feel happy, if I won lotto I would still work – maybe 4 days instead of 5 but still working. Quality time (actually engaging with my daughter) is more important to me than the quantity of time. We (my family) are happy with the work/life balance, although still striving to improve – nothing is ever perfect.
I do wish that people would respect the choice of other parents & be less judgemental.
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Katrina, I am not judging you at all and my comment is not about you but I have to comment regarding quality time. This is something that has been bandied around for years and in my opinion is a bit of a crock. I know there are children who spend all of their time with their parents and little of it is quality however most children just want their parents around. Quantity is important and if some of that time is quality as in the special reading time etc then that is great. I am not making a judgeent about working mothers, I was one. I just get uptight aboutthe quality versus quantity thing.
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Generally I agree with the message in your article Mia, I have 2 pre school age kids and a third on the way. I am lucky that we can survive – just – on my husband’s income but I am doing about 10 hours a week casual work for a past employer which helps – I enjoy it and my kids are in Creche or kinder while I work so it really is me time.
But I don’t have to think twice that if our situation meant I had to work full time I would be devastated for everyone in my family. I would not hesitate to move out further to a smaller place so that I could work part time.
I have to say I truly don’t understand families where both parents choose to work full time when they don’t financially need to. We all know how quickly kids grow up and you never ever get the chance for that time back.
I personally plan to keep working part time whether we need me to or not as I think it is beneficial for career, independence and mental health, but think and hope for my kids sake it will be a very long time before I work full time again.
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I liked ur comment Caroline but just want to say that i truly don’t understand why some people love to follow celebrity news, I guess we’re just all different
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Thanks for the comment. Yes we are all different, but the analogy doesn’t really work – reading celebrity magazines has zero impact on other people, putting kids in full time childcare can have a huge impact.
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fair call
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How’s this for de-motivating… I love work and worked quite long hours (on maternity leave now) and at my 6 month review I was marked negatively and not put forward for a pay rise because “if I can’t do my job in working hours, then I’m not efficient”… Suffice to say I’ve never gone above and beyond for my employer again- despite the fact that I was putting the hours in because I enjoyed it . Grrr
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I’ve heard that phrase used around our office a fair bit as a way to deter people from working overtime. Get your work done during 9-5 and you can go home at 5 – we’re told to value efficiency rather than extended hours.
If you’ve been given that feedback I’d do my best to show your employer the extra time you’re spending is worthwhile in terms of your output. If you’re spending all that extra time there should be something extra to show for it, so work out what that is and shove it under their noses to show why your extra time is valuable for them
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i am so so bad at singing my own praises at work – I feel like my bosses should just notice on their own – ha ha – and i know it’s to my own detriment… i have actually felt more appreciated since i left for maternity leave, i think after 6 years they now realise how much i actually contributed.
But i would definitely take your advice moving forwards Kate – if you don’t show them the difference you are making, then they may never notice! (hmmm – bit like husbands i guess!)
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My mother always worked during my childhood and I’m sure that she too congratulated herself on how she got the balance between work and home right. But I know how I suffered because of it.
I used to envy my friends who went home from school to a mother who had baked goodies for them but far more importantly took the time to sit down with them for afternoon tea and give them their undivided attention while their kids talked about their school day. The times that I got invited over to their homes after school for afternoon tea are times that live in my memory as does my wishing so long ago that their mothers were my mother.
All the expensive presents and clothes that I got never made up for that “loss” of a mother.
The time that my mother was home she had no time for such self indulgence as sitting down to chat one on one with me as there was still the laundry to be done, the housework to be done and the meals cooked. Because of this I never developed a close, strong bond with my mother. You can’t bond to a later, can’t you see that I’m busy and later never comes because she was always busy. The rare times she got to relax she made it clear that it was her relaxation time and she needed some peace and quiet.
My mother didn’t have to work as my father was an underground miner who brought home a big pay packet, he hated her working and it was a constant source of disharmony all through my childhood. My mother’s view was that you should always be self reliant and never put yourself at the mercy of a man, and she tried to hammer that into me.
Right from an early age I knew that I would never be a working mother if I could possibly avoid it because I knew the effect that it had on my childhood and my relationship with my mother.
My husband and I lived on the smell of an oily rag for years while we had two incomes so that the house could be paid off before I had my first child at age 33, allowing me to stay home and raise my children.
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Do you carry the same bitterness towards your father who was also working full time?
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No I don’t. Someone has to work to pay the bills and take care of the family. My father earned big money; my mother had no need to work. Could my father had given up work to become a full time parent, no because my mother did unskilled, poorly paid jobs and would never have earned enough to keep a roof over our heads and food in our bellies.
If I had a choice of having either a full time mother or father I would have chosen a full time mother. I’m a girl so I more needed to have a mother. I needed a mother who could sit and talk to me about how to become a woman. I needed a mother who had the time to see that at times all wasn’t going too good for me… that takes a mother’s insight and perception that only a mother/daughter bond can provide. A mother/daughter bond doesn’t happen by magic.
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Catgirl it might be worth looking at this more braodly for your own happiness. Perhaps your mother would have been miserable at home full time and disappointed you even more than she did working? Mine has never worked, but has been lethargic and unhappy her whole life. Maybe your mum was doign the best she could to give you a good and happy mother.
We are not all designed to be at home with children 7 days a week and that has been the same problem for generations. We just have more and more viable options now.
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I worked when my children were little for my own sanity. I worked twenty hours a week. It was my social time. My husband and I both share the care of our three daughters now. I think girls. We’d the input from both parents. Each of us have different perspectives and the modelling my husband does will influence their ideas about men, equality and gender.
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Perhaps your mother would have been miserable at home full time and disappointed you even more than she did working?
Who knows…not me that’s for sure
Maybe your mum was doign the best she could to give you a good and happy mother.
She wasn’t a happy person at all, but as I said in my original comment I had no bond with her at all so I can’t guess at her motivations.
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You needed your mum to stay home ” to teach you how to be a woman”? I think your mum was teaching you by example how to be an independent woman who can support herself financially. Obviously that’s not what you wanted but it is a very important lesson nonetheless.
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I think your mum was teaching you by example how to be an independent woman who can support herself financially.
hhmmm I think that she was more teaching me that you can’t trust men, you can’t trust the father of your children to continue supporting you and his children.
She was teaching me that the woman’s needs come above everyone else’s needs in the family.
You needed your mum to stay home ” to teach you how to be a woman”?
I probably didn’t word that very well. I needed my mum so I could talk about boys and how to manoeuver my way through interpersonal relationships. In other words I needed her to help me to grow into a confident, social person. I needed her to show me that I had worth in myself, all those things that mothers should do with their daughters.
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I see things differently from you. My mother (and majority of my friend’s mothers) worked full time for almost all my childhood. I have never resented my mum for this, instead I am proud of her independence and achievements.
I agree with your mum about the importance of women being self reliant and earning their own finances. My father left when my mum was in her late 40s and having her career was essential in keeping her financially and emotionally stable. I worry for women whose focus is 100% on their children & husband..what happens if their partner leaves or dies? What happens when the kids grow up?
I feel your father could have supported your mum’s desire to work and helped out domestically in order to give her more time with the kids. I am not sure that the reason your relationship with your mum isn’t strong was entirely because she worked full time. I know plenty of mums who work full time and have great relationships with their kids!
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I worry for women whose focus is 100% on their children & husband..what happens if their partner leaves or dies? What happens when the kids grow up?
I wouldn’t say that my focus is 100% on my children and husband, I do have a life outside of my marriage.
What happens if their partner dies? I’m not sure what your slant is there… I guess that if their partner dies and the still have dependant children they mother has to get a job and support them. Unless of course they have a great life insurance.
My kids are now in their early 20′s so if my partner dies I’ll just bury him and carry on as normal.
When my kids eventually leave home I’ll be able to chose what movie to watch at night because I’ll have the TV to myself.. Hopefully they’ll get married and come visit with the grandchildren. I love my children dearly but I am kind of looking forward to them leaving home.
I feel your father could have supported your mum’s desire to work and helped out domestically in order to give her more time with the kids.
He worked long hours down in the mines in dirty and dangerous conditions, it wasn’t in his mindset to help out domestically. He wanted to come home to is wife not his child cooking the evening meal
I am not sure that the reason your relationship with your mum isn’t strong was entirely because she worked full time.
No it wasn’t, but it certainly didn’t help
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“My kids are now in their early 20′s so if my partner dies I’ll just bury him and carry on as normal”
That came across as kind of harsh. You’d just carry on as normal if your partner and the father of your children died? Quite a strange thing to say.
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If your partner dies you’ll just bury him and carry on as normal? Okay well for most women I know it wouldn’t be that easy! For one they would be devastated, have the full responsibility of the house, the kids and the finances. They then (if SAHMs) would have to go out and try and get a job in the workforce having been out of it for many years. Many women would struggle to get a job and if they did it would almost certainly pay much less than their late husband’s did. This means they may have to move house as likely will not be able to afford the mortgage/rent, maybe they have to take kids out of private schools or work out childcare etc. All while dealing with the grief of losing a partner!
Presumably you own your own house and would have enough savings to support you for the rest of your life? To be able to just ‘bury him and carry on’ you must be in an extremely privileged position as the reality is much harsher for the majority of women!
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That came across as kind of harsh. You’d just carry on as normal if your partner and the father of your children died? Quite a strange thing to say. merindakennedy
What do you people want from me?
I wrote my comment I’ll bury him and carry on as normal in response to the person who said that a SAHM is so wound up in her husband and kids, that what is she going to do when he dies and her children leave home. The insinuation being; that she’ll be cut adrift and will never manage in the world on her own.
Yes I’ll carry on as normal; I’ll go to the Dr when I’m sick, I’ll clean my house, I’ll cook my meals, I’ll meet up with my female friends, I’ll pay my bills. My life will go on as normal.
Would you prefer that I cover myself in sackcloth and ashes, and wail that I cannot manage without my husband as I throw myself off the nearest bridge.
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I had a similar mother to you catgirl, and I used to feel really resentful towards her while I was growing up. All the scenes you describe: going to friends’ houses and seeing their mothers doting on their every word, baking afternoon tea, picking them up from school everyday, are very familiar to me. I was left at before/after school care, caught the train to and from school, cooked my own afternoon tea and had to take care of my sister.
I felt resentful for a very long time about that. My mother was supposed to stay home! She was supposed to care about me and her life was supposed to be about me!
However, as I got older, I realised something. I don’t own my mother. She has her own life, own career, own relationships and I’m only a small part of that. She is now at the top of her field in microbiology, has an amazing marriage, lots of friends and is the person I admire most in this world. If I end up being half the person she is, I will be so happy.
I understand where you’re coming from, I really do. But I think that you need to let go of your resentment and realise that you don’t own your mother or her life. It’s her life, her relationships, her time, her money, her career. Of course you are part of that, but you can’t be everything to her. Just admire the person she is.
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“I don’t own my mother. She has her own life, own career, own relationships and I’m only a small part of that. She is now at the top of her field in microbiology, has an amazing marriage, lots of friends and is the person I admire most in this world. If I end up being half the person she is, I will be so happy”
Thank-you Katherine Anne for your comment. I think this is a really key point to add to the conversation/discussion. I think it’s an important part of our development and growth that we learn – and that our children learn – that another’s life is not to serve us.
This comment reminded me of a great article on this site a few weeks ago about the things the author (Lindsey Mead) would like to say to her daughter. A few of them catgirl might like to re-read – they included:
- I am trying my best;
- There is no single person who can be your everything;
- You are not me.
The story is here: http://www.mamamia.com.au/parenting/10-things-i-want-my-10-year-old-daughter-to-know/
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“I think it’s an important part of our development and growth that we learn – and that our children learn – that another’s life is not to serve us.”
This is something I take away from many comments on this site, sadly. Many women write as if their role is to serve their children. Raising and caring is one thing, serving is a another.
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She is now at the top of her field in microbiology,
That is the difference. If I had a mother who was the top of her field in microbiology I would consider her my hero. She would have brought me up with a focus on education, that I could do anything…be anything.
My mother scrubbed toilets (and other things), not because she had to but because she wanted to. If she scrubbed toilets because she was a single mother I would have loved her and respected her for what she did for me and my brother. If my father was on a low income and my mother had to scrub toilets to help the family make ends meet I would have loved and respected her because of the sacrifices that she had to make for the good of the family.
I say she scrubbed toilets: What she did was work in the town pub. She started early in the morning making breakfasts for the guests, she then did the rooms, cleaned bathrooms and toilets etc. She would then come home for a couple of hours before going back in the afternoon to cook the pub evening meals and do the dishes etc. Before she went back to work in the afternoon she would half prepare the family meal and I’d have to cook it after I got home from school and clean up and do the dishes etc.
Just admire the person she is.
She died quite a number of years ago. Sometimes I regret that I didn’t make a better effort as an adult to try and get to know her, to try and “fix” things.
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Hi cat girl
I feel really sad for you that you need to justify how you feel about your childhood and relationship with your mother to these people. You have every right to feel the way you do. I was very very lucky that my mum was at home when I was a child. She died 5 months ago. I have beautiful memories of my mum after school, before school and especially during school holidays. I am everlastingly grateful for her time and devotion. I am sorry you missed out.
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I feel really sad for you that you need to justify how you feel about your childhood and relationship with your mother to these people.
Thank you
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Interesting to hear your experience. it makes me worry about my work impacting on my kids.
I will try harder to give them the attention they need.
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I’m one of 7 kids. My mum never had time to sit with me every afternoon after school because she was too busy working IN the home.
Interestingly, I have similar sadness about that and have chosen to have a small family so I can spend time with my kids and get to know then as individuals. I really enjoyed your insight.
Maybe it doesn’t matter where we work. The trick is taking time to sit and talk and connect.
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Thanks for your perspective Catgirl. I have found it quite incredible reading negative comments from others who seem to think your perspective on your own mother and your own upbringing is somehow flawed. To all you career women out there – yes, it is possible (not unavoidable,but possible) that your work choices can have a negative impact on your children. And it is also quite possible for a woman to find a great deal of contentment
andfulfilment in staying at
But if you pursue work outside of ho purely for selfish reasons
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Bah! Stupid phone! Sorry about that incoherrant ending.. try again…
It is quite possible for a woman to find a great deal of contentment, happiness and fulfilment in staying at home and being *gasp* financially dependant on a good man!
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I have found it quite incredible reading negative comments from others who seem to think your perspective on your own mother and your own upbringing is somehow flawed.
That’s because they found what I said unpalatable. They are in denial that being a part time mother could possibly affect their relationship with their own daughter. They have bought into the myth that women can have it all.
Thanks for your supportive comment
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Interesting discussion. It’s intriguing that people always place so much finality on their parenting/working choices. Why isn’t it possible to say you’ll stay home for a while (til kids start school perhaps), and then possibly work again? Why cannot you say you’ll just wait and see what’s best for yr family?
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Hi Catgirl,
Your comments are interesting.
I was lucky in that my mum and dad, were around a lot and very available all through my childhood.
I understand why you feel you missed out on something, whether rightly or wrongly. Maybe your mum had some damn good reason for working that she never mentioned to you. Maybe she saw other friends/family members depend on a man for money and she decided she never wanted to be in such a position. Or maybe she just liked working. Maybe she prefered working to being with her kids. Maybe she regretted working so much. Who knows.
Anyway, what you feel is what you feel, and you have good reasons for feeling that way. I haven’t read all your comments, but I’m sure if you have kids this will make you really conscious of the importance of giving your kids quality time.You know your situation and what is right for you.
I personally don’t have a problem with people having kids and working, daycare etc, as long as the parent is still ‘present’ and giving the kids heaps of quality time.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
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You made a great point with your own situation of mums being too busy. Kids dont care what their mums do as long as they around. Some interesting responses below but it’s the the main point being too busy fr your children.
My mum staged home, she was a good lady – under pressure to get everything done! The thing she never did was have time for us, didn’t play, didn’t want us I make mess, this is why I go out of my way to play with my kids and make them apart of my day. They choose the first activity, 3 boys there is a great chance I ave to play cars, ninjas or the Wii. I don’t want to but I do it for them, it lights up their faces. ‘look at me mummy’.
Then job time quickly do washing or clean kitchen, they help with snacks. Then I choose them an activity. It’s that was its all about. My son ones home from school I listen for as long as I can get anything out of him lol!
Then they run wild outside while I get tea done.
I make sure everyone has a book read to them individually yes sometimes when it gets a bit busy at that time.
Happy everyone is happy.
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At nearly 40 I have no shame in admitting that I am a better mother for working. It took me a while to get here but as a young mother in my early 20′s I always felt the pressure (mainly from myself) that there was something wrong with me if I didn’t want to be with my kids 24/7. I love my kids and I am a better mother, woman & wife for working and most importantly being at peace with it.
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I have no children and yet if my husband came home from work later tonight and said “honey I want you to give up work” I’d have handed my notice in via email before he’d had a chance to finish his sentence.
I don’t want to work, I’m completely over it. I want time to follow my passion – writing – but quitting work to do that is frowned up. But yet if I was to getting pregnant, it would be seen as perfectly acceptable to quit work to follow THAT passion.
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*But yet if I was to GET pregnant
Stupid fingers typing too fast while my brain rethinks what it is I actually want to write!
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‘Find something you love and you’ll never work another day in your life.’ has been my mantra whenever I’ve thought about my future career…
I’ve decided to do teaching, for the simple reason that I love it. I would tutor people for free, but I’m paid for it. I’ve always loved helping people, sharing my knowledge and my passions.
This year I spent 4 months working on a high school musical, and it was the most (stressful) fun I’ve had! I would have done that without being paid, but I was and I enjoyed every single minute of it, even when I was still at school at dinnertime making the set and sewing costumes! For me, working with young people is just so rewarding, so fingers crossed that when I graduate I will become one of those people who spring out of bed every morning!
Money wasn’t a factor in my choice – I’d rather be poor and loving my job than rich and dragging myself to work every morning
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Horses for courses, im a teacher ( not anymore) and every morning of my teaching I would say to my now husband ” when can I stop working” it wasn’t working that was the problem it was my job
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Women who have kids and then dump them in daycare are irresponsible. You have kids, YOU raise them.
No wonder we have so much trouble with youth these days.
It all starts in the family home.
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Goodness, that’s a bit troll-ish!
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poor Kayla obviously not happy with the respectful and interesting comments on this post. go away Kayla, no-one’s biting today!
Go and stir up trouble somewhere else.
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Terese, you sound like you are a little guilty of something. Have you been placing your children in full time day care since day dot. ?
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Perhaps troll-ish but yet I do tend to agree with her. The “youth” of today don’t seem to much respect for anyone, including their parents, perhaps that’s down to the fact that parents of today seem to spend less time with them and then they do, they don’t seem to want to discipline them, perhaps because they feel guilty for not spending time with them in the first place?
Vicious cycle.
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That’s hilarious. Every generation complains about the next. Teenagers have been copping it for generations. It is such a cliche. For the record my son is 11 & some of his friends have appalling manners, some are lovely & there is no correlation between parents who stay at home & those who work.
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All this trouble started when we began, you know, educating our girls and giving them choices. Before that it was simple. Blokes went to work, the ladies stayed home with the babies. Shall we go back to that?
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Just because you are educated doesn’t mean you should have someone else raise your children whilst you go to work.
I rub my hand with glee when I look at the advantages my children will have; a mother who can do university maths, physics & chemistry AND who is self assured enough to give it away to do the most important job in the world, and who loves it. My boys are 7 and 11 and have never been in daycare, holiday camps or had a nanny.
MY education has shown me that I AM the best person to bring them up.
So no – we don’t need to go back to those days
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Hi Engineer Mum, my point was that now we have choices, which is fantastic. You are the best mum for your kids, and I’m the best for mine even if they do sometimes go to holiday camps (son is off to an AFL camp next week and is counting the days), they’ve been to daycare and from time to time have been cared for by a nanny. There have also been long stretches when it’s just been little old me. So far, so good.
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In the words of Aristotle:
“The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have
no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all
restraint. They talk as if they alone knew everything and what passes
for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for girls, they are
forward, immodest and unwomanly in speech, behaviour and dress.”
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Oh fooey. Teenagers are awesome.
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I love anyone who uses ‘Oh fooey’ in a comment.
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Hehe, thanks. I figured it was more ‘dinner party’ than some of the alternatives.
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Quality, not quantity.
Just because a parent is there every second of the day does not mean they are a better parent, or love their child more, or will avoid raising a juvenile delinquent.
I think that in juggling parenthood and having a life whilst working, you are giving your child a healthy model of what it means to be an adult, with complex responsibilities.
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Crikey! I don’t think it’s that easy for all parents.
I work because I want to (not for financial reasons – although it does come it handy to have 2 incomes). If I didn’t work, and stayed at home with my 2 year old son everyday, I would be a nutter – not good for him or I!
And as for sending children to daycare being irresponsible, I don’t quite get what you mean? My son’s facility is a lovely, warm environment. Full of people who love teaching and playing with my son, and care for him like they would their own children. He loves going, gets to paint, sing, dance, cook, role play, sleep, eat food made by a chef, play with other children, read books, colour, use play doh, build blocks, cut and paste, play outside in the playground, eat sand – the list goes on, and that is in one day. I can’t provide that in my house day in day out, it would drive me insane.
I work two days a week and find it is a good split between family, work and life in general.
I actually envy mothers who want to, and enjoy, being full time stay at home mums.
Great article Mia.
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I agree with exactly!
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I agree. My mother stayed at home and was so incredible. I was thankful to have her at every sports carnival, to drop me off every morning, to look after me when I was home sick and everything else she did that she wouldn’t have been able to do if she was working.
I truly believe that you shouldn’t have kids unless one of the parents is dedicated to raising them full time.
I decided not to have children for the reason that I love working and am too career focused to dedicate my life to someone else, which is what raising a child should be. It’s unfortunate that some parents are too selfish to realise this. If you want to have children, it’s not a sometimes, when it’s convenient type of thing. Don’t have them if you don’t want to look after them.
Even worse than the ones that go to work and dump their kids in daycare are the ones that don’t work (outside the home) and still dump their kids in daycare! WHY did you have children at all?!?!?!
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Well but it’s not about “not wanting to look after them”, it’s about following your passion while having a family at the same time! Which is why “Find something you love and you will never work a day in your life” makes so much sense.
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My son was an unexpected gift. Unfortunately his father doesn’t see it that way. So am I being selfish having to work full time to provide for him? To ensure he gets fed, clothed, and has a permanent roof over his head?
Sometimes I think about not working but I don’t want the government to support me or worrying about paying bills, for groceries, rent etc.
Plus, I think I’d go crazy staying home knowing that I’m not being challenged intellectually plus not having time to myself to do what I love and that is my job.
I wish people wouldn’t be so judgmental.
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This is interesting. My husband had a mother in a similar position to yours – she went to everything. My mother was a single mum who worked full time to support my brother and myself (my father helped, but was unreliable). She rarely came to anything.
The interesting bit? We both can see the ‘good’ bits of what the other enjoyed. He would have loved a little more freedom. I wanted my mum to be around more. We’ve come to the conclusion we mainly wanted what we didn’t have. That may be simplistic – but if you parent with love and consistency then I’d say you are doing ok.
On a tangent, I’d like these discussions to be about parenting rather than mothering. We’re all in it together.
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Is that really so? I believe that troubled kids usually come from troubled families(unemployed, criminal, and those are parents that don’t work, yet they don’t manage to raise their children to become “better” kids).
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It’s common knowledge that the 1st five years in a child’s life are so important, so I’d have to agree. You can’t have a career and a baby.
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Working lives can span 45 years. What do you do for the other 40? I agree that it’s nice to spend extra time with children while they’re very young. I really want more flexibility and options for parents but I don’t agree with your statement.
Men have careers and babies all the time and noone questions it.
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Ok Kayla. Tell me what you would do to support your children financially if the father of your child was unable to?
Don’t judge others until you see things from their perspective.
Terrible attitude you have and I feel sorry for those who know you.
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Dont have kids if you cant financially support them, Kaz. Alternatively choose a more suitable partner who can support them ……
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Kayla is a character from DOOL. That’s all.
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I sense plenty of guilty mothers ón This site. I agree with kayla. I feel sad for kids being dumped in before & after School care every day or places in full time daycare. Your child suffers. Consequences may happen later on in life
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I know this comment is a troll, but I kind of get tired of hearing the comment “I didnt want to send my children to day care because I didn’t want anyone else to raise them”
I really disagree that by spending some time in daycare/kindy/nanny/school means that they are not being ‘raised’ by their parents anymore.
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I went to day care five days a week. I loved it. I’d cry on the weekends and couldn’t wait to go back to day care and play with all the other children. I didn’t even have to go to day care. Mum put me in for two afternoons a week so I could socialise with other children, as I was an only child she thought it was the responsible thing to do. She never expected me to beg to go!
My mum and I have a wonderful relationship and are very close. She worked full time right from the time I started primary school. I never felt any lack in my house.
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Thanks again Mamamia for setting out so simply what I feel too! I have a 2 year old, a wonderful supportive husband and a full time job. And I wouldnt have it any other way. Of course it’s hectic and crazy sometimes but I could hardly expect it to be easy. I feel very lucky that the generations of women who went before me made this all very normal and paved the way for me to be able to choose this life.
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I go to great lenghts to hide the fact that I often go in to work on the weekend!! If people find out they’re horrified – “that’s bad for your mental health!” they cry. “You’re not being paid for it!” they moan. I enjoy my work, and I enjoy being organised and keeping on top of things. More often than not the workload is hectic. If I get behind with work it makes me anxious – so I’d much prefer to work overtime. Probably won’t feel this way forever though – I’m young and single and moved to a new city a few months ago so I have a lot of spare time right now.
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You’re not the only one – and I have a partner and have lived here for a long time! If I don’t put in enough time to clear my head and mentally sort things out for the new week, I’m stressed at work and act like a troll. And is there ANYONE out there in paid employment whose workload is going down, in these times of cutbacks?
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I totally agree with you Mia. To find work that you truly love, that you jump out of bed to do each morning, that you don’t want to leave at the end of each working day, is a gift. I know only a small handful of people who have found this and I admire them greatly. I wish our schools were more focused on helping our children to find their ‘thing’ than on them getting ‘A’s’ in an armful of subjects because the world would be a much better place if we were all doing what we are passionate about.
I’m returning to the workforce next year after years of motherhood and I am so excited about it. My one goal is to love what I do and I hope my daughters see me achieve this so they can aspire to the same. Your kids must see how happy you are and therefore, see that it’s possible for them too.
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I like what you say – but I wonder if every job is meant to be enjoyed… I mean there are plenty of dull, tiresome jobs out there that simply have to be done to keep things ticking along in our society. Also I guess if we enjoyed everything we did we wouldn’t be spurred on to do the things we really loved….
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As a parent myself, I think we should never ever give up on our personal dreams or endeavours because we have children. Who are we living for? If your job makes you happy and so does your family, then you are truly blessed. That is the right balance. I am a human rights lawyer overseas and I am exceptionally happy. This in itself sends a message of achieving all you want in life to your children, and that they too can achieve their dreams.
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I agree with you in theory Shan but I have found this impossible in practice. All my dreams, aspirations, the things I enjoy have all gone out the window as I raise my two children. My husband earns five times what I could earn, we decided pre kids that I would be a stay at home mum and that’s what’s happening. I don’t enjoy it, I’m
bored and feel unfulfilled but honestly don’t feel I have a choice. It can be very complicated. I hope that when our children are at school I can reclaim myself.
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I work full time in a job that I love. I have a husband that does the same. We have a 2 year old and a 5 year old and our guilty secret is that we can’t wait until they go to bed so we can continue doing our work. We take turns doing the creche/school pick up so that we each get time to stay back at work. We love spending time with our kids but also can’t wait until afternoon ‘rest time’ on the weekends so that we can do more work. I hate the term workaholic (although it applies), I much prefer a term that I heard used on a TED talk ‘workafrolic’!
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Ah, I see you’ve met my dad
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I think in the context or your article, Mia, that it depends on how you define “balance”. It doesn’t have to mean “equal”. Most full-time workers spend more waking hours at their paid work than they do at home or with their families, but as you and others here in the comments, have noted, it’s ‘horses for courses’. The key here is *enjoying* what you do – if you’re passionate about your work, it probably hardly seems like work. As long as your family isn’t suffering, you/your health are not suffering and it’s not killing any personal relationships you might like to keep in good shape, then I’d say you *are* achieving work/life balance, no matter how many hours you spend working.
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Very true.
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I struggle all the time with what I want to do with my time. I work 3 days a week. One one hand, there are days I would happily chuck it all in and be a full time mum. Those day are usually when I have 15 balls in the air and I am wondering how I will get it all done. Other days I think about going back to school to get my MBA, a dream for a while. Then I think that if I got that then I would probably be in a bigger dilemma as it would (hopefully) lead to more challenging work.
My ambitious, work loving side clashes with my the side that wants to spend more time with my kids all the time, sometimes several times a day. It is all in my head. I have a fabulous husband who will support whatever I want to do. There are days though that I wish someone would make the decision for me…
Then I realise that I should be thankful that I have the dilemma at all. I have options. Not everybody does.
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I am considering moving house and moving my child to a school closer to my work (have a 4 year contract) because I spend 2 hours a day commuting. Work or life lose out and I get less time to get things done or spend time with my child.
Friends’ responses – I’m terrible to move her for my work (selfish) and should put up with the commute or give up my work for a less demanding job. General disapproval from family, too. If I move, they won’t bother with me so much.
Anyone else ever feel like dumping their whole ‘friend’ set and starting fresh?
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Work life balance another creation from build your own guilt society. I participate in my community and my family is part of that community. My work is also. We are all playing a part just different roles. I’m happy. Happiness is psycological not dependant on location wealth or job and family.
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Retraining…
In the age of expected career changes, I am developing a fear of never finding what I really want to do. Wait, no, not quite correct. I know what I want to do, what I love, I have been shouted down everytime I express my ideas/dreams (except by my lovely partner, who believes in me unwaveringly).
I seriously dread work almost everyday, but I know I get to start a new career next year… and in my spare time, I might, just might start chasing that dream. I know I am scared to start chasing said dream, in case I fail. But, really if I don’t chase the dreams for fear of failure I will be letting down the motto I have feverently believed in since I was 11 and saw Strictly Ballroom for the first time “a life lived in fear is a life half lived”. On the other hand, it is a difficult dream to chase in very rural Australia… Oh round and round..
Pass the wine please.
Great post, Mia.
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Isn’t work still life? I would like to ban the term work/life balance & introduce time/values balance. If you love doing something and it is what you value in life, spend time doing it.
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I’ll sign that petition Jess! Completely agree. Xx
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Pass it here when you’ve signed it!
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You’re right Mia – and it’s how I know that I’m not doing what I’m supposed to. It’s the age old question – if I won lotto, would I continue doing what I’m doing? No, then you’re probably not doing what you should be doing. The luxury of choice in this instance is one that not a lot of people have, however I think about what I would do if I won lotto, and that tells me that I need to change my career so I’m doing that.
I struggle with the guilt aspect of the elusive ‘balance’. I would love to commit more time to my job because I get a lot out of it, but then also don’t want to miss out on those moments with my daughter that those hours would mean.
I think for a lot of mum’s, the ‘work-life balance’ debarcle is all about the work-life guilt balance! And I’m not sure there’s a way around that – at some point you feel like you are short changing someone…..and the funny thing is with all that guilt and worrying, probably the person getting short-changed the most is you!
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I think the key here, Mia, is you clearly love what you do. Winning lotto wouldn’t change that. Many other people, though, work because they need the money, not because they love the job.
I’m not so fond of my job. I’d quit it in an instant if I won lotto. But I’m studying part time to be qualified for a job I’d like to do. If I won lotto, would I finish my degree? Probably not! I’d switch it all to do what I’d LOVE to do. Writing, art, volunteering would keep me busy as well as fulfilling me.
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I love the comment about organizations not getting it – it’s easier than ever before to have work/life integration and thus balance if we were not hemmed in by the 9-5 palaver and raised eyebrows if someone chooses to work flexibly. As an FM sufferer who have other walth issues, I am a night person. Mornings are physically painful and exhausting having to get kids to school, navigate the journey to work .. I function best after 4pm till 5am. I can’t see any workplace letting me do that. And Ianage a team of 10 nationally and have always delivered above and beyond what’s expected. How? I am a teleworker mentally – efficient use of time, set clear goals, prioritise the needs of my team and respond to my bosses requirements immediately. It’s possible to have balance – but balance is not a linear process but one that means something different to each individual.
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If I won the lotto, I may not stay at my job, but I would sure as heck find SOMETHING industrious to devote my time to. I love my daughter, but the thought of being a stay-at-home mom literally makes me weep. I need to be busy outside of my house, and outside of my family. I just need to.
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I thought I would definitely fall into the ‘never work again’ camp if I won Lotto. Oh, I would find plenty to do, and some of it may be money-making, but I didn’t think it would be actual going to work, day in day out, etc.
When we got to the US almost a year ago (!), I thought I would relish the time I wouldn’t be able to work (it took 5 months between us arriving and me applying for and receiving my work permit). But I missed teaching. A lot. When I got the chance to get a couple of students at a music school, I absolutely ate it up. Still do. Husband was complaining about the pay (about a third of what I used to get as a private teacher in Perth), but at that point, I missed it so much and saw it as keeping my skills in check, that I wouldn’t have minded if I was volunteering.
On a side note, I would love to have a family of my own to need to balance work with.
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Oh no, I’m one of those workplace people who would write “are you mad” to your girlfriend, Mia! Thank you for this refreshingly honest article, I definitely have a better understanding of those women who choose to work as hard as they do.
I’ve never judged them as neglecting their families or anything like that, my comments have always been aimed at making sure they knew they weren’t expected to do so much/stay so late but I never realised how they’d look from the other side :-S
Good on you to anyone who loves their job enough to dedicate themselves to it, I envy you!
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Such an interesting piece and something I’ve been thinking about a bit lately.
I’m heading back to work in a couple of weeks and Little Lad is 7 months old. With Red Rocket 4 years ago I was self employed, and didn’t have a maternity leave. I just kept working and she came everywhere with me. Pro – no child care and I got to keep working. Con – no doubt she spent a lot of time on the floor being neglected when things were too busy. This time I’ve had 7 motnhs at home and a real maternity leave. I haven’t had more than 2 weeks off since I was 14 years old and its been WEIRD.
I’ve always loved my work. I’m also inherently nosy so think nothing of spending my evenings reading the reports of other departments or things that I could easily get by ‘doing my job’ without knowing. I’m also a night owl and so am happy to take meetings and work during the day – but if I have something big I need to write/do, no doubt I’d rather do it in my pjs at home at 11pm.
I come from an enormous family where ever woman has always been a SAHM. Generally the blokes in my family work because they have to. I feel ‘different’. When asked if I am going back to work, someone will always pipe up with a kindly ‘Oh its Danielle, she HAS to work’, with a similar voice to “Oh you know johnny, every family has its serial killer’.
In my guilt at Little Lad going to child care so much younger than Red Rocket ever did, I’ve decided to embrace my worker bee status. That is the mum you got. Conveniently, I’m the primary wage earner and we couldn’t pay the mortgage or live without me working but I’d still do it even if I won lotto. Sure, I’d probably ahve had more like 12 months maternity leave but I like going to work. I like achieving things. I like what I do.
The bugger of the argument is how many people COULD have a better work/life balance. The number of workplaces that resist telecommute and flexible hours for no good reason, but just because they don’t understand how it can be done successfully.
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I’m hoping this doesn’t come out the wrong way and sound judgemental but how have you justified putting your youngest in soooo much earlier. I’m grappling with the same thing myself. I’ve had 2 years off with my first child. My second is now due in a few months and already I’m DESPERATE to get out of the house. My second baby isn’t even born yet and I’m so over it. Bored, lonely, unfulfilled. Sick of the chaos. Have always hated the housewife part of being a SAHM. I started my oldest in childcare at 12 months but pulled him out almost straight away as I thought he was too young. Now at -3 months all I want to do is go back to work. Another 12 months (plus 3) seems like an eternity but it seems so unfair to put the youngest in any earlier than that. Arrrgh. Any advice.
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Get help from a family member to have a break from your new babe, or do an adult activity at night when hubby can watch the kids?
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JoJo not sure if I have any real advice because its ‘just the way things have turned out’ iykwim?
Mine are 4 years apart and aren’t going to have the same experiences. When Red Rocket was born we were living in Cairns and she spent a lot of time flying around the country with me. It was disrputive. I worked at home and she’d be crawling around being told off or not given the attention she deserved, but she was always with me.
Little Lad has had nothing but me for the first 7 months. When he was tiny we’d spend whole days in bed together. I’ve been gazing at him and not been distracted by anything (except his sister) for 7 months. When he isn’t in child care nad I’m not at work he is unlikely to be interrupted by the phone all weekend (in this role)
So they are such different situations I’m not sure I can make you feel better. I have had to accept that I’m not obliged to give them both the exact same experience. And that they are a part of an ever changing dynamic family where stuff will be different.
Hope you have an easy time of it and making a decision.
Whatever you do – both your kids will be alright
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Great post Mia.
It is a tricky subject.
I’m in a job that I love, but where the whole ‘we love our jobs so should be happy to work crazy-long hours’ is bandied about a lot.
It is like just because we are a Not-For-Profit (though not a charity), and the work IS genuinely interesting, employees are expected to be available anytime, work extremely long hours etc.
The bosses take advantage of the situation and I think it is really unfair. Not to mention unnecessary ( a number of steps could be easily taken to diminish workload, but it requires a bit of insight and a small investment of money to upgrade our IT tools).
I am constantly fighting to have a work/life balance – but feel like a freak as ‘everyone here loves their jobs – what are you complaining about?’.
For this reason, despite loving the job, doing a good job of it and learning a lot, I can’t see myself staying there for longer than 2 years total – max, as I feel the lifestyle and lack of understanding from management unsustainable.
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That’s a really good point. Just because you love your job, you shouldn’t be expected to provide hours of free labour. After all, your labour is the only commodity you have to trade in order to provide a life for yourself and your family. It is very unfair for bosses to take advantage of employees’ passion and committment.
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The way I look at it is that the work/life balance is not about me and whether I want to work or not versus whether we are able to have that option, it’s actually about my kids. What balance is the best thing for them in order to meet all their needs? We are lucky that we are able to budget so that I can stay home, but if staying home meant not being able to pay the bills or putting food on the table, then I would be working. The last couple of months I’ve been picking up a couple of casual teaching days a week because we need a new car with number 3 on the way, but I’m looking forward to being at home full-time again soon because I can see that in the long term the current balance is not the best for my boys. I do love my job, and I am really looking forward to getting back to permanent part-time when my kids are at school, but when looking at our bigger picture, me missing work is not at the top of the priority list. And I’m fine with that.
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I love this comment. I do think at the end of the day, it must be about what’s best for your kids. As you say, if you can be at home and you want to be at home, then that’s probably best. If you are miserable at home, your kids will pick up on it and you probably should work, because that will be best for them. If you have to work to ensure your kids are fed and clothed, then that’s what you do.
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This is a really interesting article Mia and I think that loving your work (or not) is one part of the complex riddle of life balance.
I provide training in this area (for managers and staff) and find that there’s no magic formula or ‘right answer’. Our need and desire for greater time/energy at work or at home changes at different stages in our personal lives and careers, and with different contexts.
Someone caring for kids, elderly parents or a sick family member may need more time outside work than someone who currently has fewer family commitments (regardless of how much they love their job). Someone who loves their work may want it less than someone whose job is ‘sucking their soul’. Some need it while undergoing treatment for illness. Others seek less time at work while training as elite sportspeople or launching a second career. Some want it to travel or to contribute to charitable work. Some down-size their career ahead of retirement or while studying.
Flexibility in the workforce (having options, knowing how to negotiate effective flexible work agreements and having strong communication with understanding managers) is the key for many people (it’s also lacking in many cases). Wanting to work fewer hours now doesn’t mean that in two years you won’t want to charge forward in your career. It doesn’t necessarily mean you’re less serious about your career – just that something else is currently taking higher priority in your life (whether you want it to or not) or perhaps that you haven’t found a job that is the right ‘fit’ for you yet.
I love my work and would continue if I won lotto, but not at the expense of my health or family (been there, done that. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people, like me, need a ‘wake up’ call before they reassess how they’re unfolding their lives). I think it’s important to know how to apply the brakes if you choose, and when to floor the accelerator. There are different paces at different stages – which is what makes life dynamic.
It’s vital to understand your own motivation. Are you burning the midnight oil because:
- you’re genuinely passionate about your career
- you’re a poor manager of time and can’t say ‘no’ through a lack of assertiveness or confidence
- you’re unsure of your identity and significance other than through work
- you’re using work to escape a personal problem or unhappy relationship.
- you believe that ‘nobody does this as well as I do’ (causing lack of delegation and ‘hoarding’ of work)
- you get a buzz from being ‘Badge of Honour Busy’
- you have a demanding manager
- the list goes on…
What feels comfortable and rewarding to one person might freak out the person next door – the key is finding your own ideal pace, striving for that and being kind to yourself when the train inevitably goes off track from time to time. You don’t have to squeeze all of the plot into one chapter of your life story, unless you want to. Likewise, if the plot has slowed down, you might want to spice it up with some more action.
I’d love to share my website link, as there are a bunch of free resources available there and more info on this topic if you’re interested:
http://www.worklifebliss.com.au
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I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. I don’t live to work, I work to live, and it’s rare you will find me working one minute of overtime in my current job. It’s not that I dislike my job, I like it, but I don’t love it and I’ve never had a job where I have felt working overtime is worth it.
In a previous job I was forced to work overtime. If I got my work done, I was to help other people with theirs they said. When I questioned it, and pointed out I didn’t want to and wasn’t being paid to work long hours, they told me “Working here is a lifestyle choice” so I left.
So, generally, I would consider myself firmly in the quit-work-if-win-lotto camp.
However, I now run a website. I don’t earn money from it. Would I give it up if I won lotto? Hell to the no! Would I be happy if I could earn my living from it and not have to work in another job? Yes! So, at the end of the day, I can see where you’re coming from. It’s not working some job for someone else that keeps you going back – it’s that you are earning a living from your hobby. Your hobby is just now your work.
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