
By MIA FREEDMAN
I have some bad news for every single bloke in the world: marriage proposals have become a competitive sport. Romance and a ring worth the price of a small car don’t cut it anymore. Now you must also include choreography and capture it all on a youtube video viewed by seven million people. This, Gentlemen, is the new benchmark for a successful proposal and it’s making me want to cry for every man who must sleep in its impossible shadow.
But why? Now that most couples live together before marriage, proposals are rarely a total shock. So with the surprise factor gone, the goal posts have shifted towards effort.
The latest intimidating example is the viral video of a guy who choreographed a five-minute lip synching masterpiece involving 60 members of the couple’s family and friends dancing down a suburban street.
Isaac Lamb knows he’s set the bar to cruel and unsustainable heights. “Guys, I’m sorry,” he said in a TV interview this week. “That wasn’t my intention.” But he didn’t look sorry, he looked smug. Guess how much I love you? Seven million times.
Are women demanding these OTT proposals or are some men embracing them as a creative outlet in the same way women do with wedding planning?
Either way, it’s a crushing development for every straight person who wants to get married (don’t get me started on how crushing every day is for same-sex couples who want to marry because I will nod my head until it falls off).
Men are freaked out about finding enough cash for a ring AND the services of Baz Luhrman while women are scared that men will get performance anxiety and shelve the whole idea.
“Unmarried guys always cower when we tell our proposal story” admits one friend whose husband spelled out a giant “MARRY ME EMMA” in large rocks on a Bryon Bay beach and then took her for a walk high above the sand to surprise her. “It’s become very competitive and it’s making guys very anxious”.
It’s not a fear of rejection so much. Blokes don’t usually ask unless ‘yes’ is pretty much guaranteed. But they do stress about living up to their future wife’s expectations of the MAGIC MOMENT. And fair enough. Because often, it falls short. One friend was proposed to when she had a raging cold sore. Another was doubled over with cystitis. In both cases, the bloke had elaborate surprise plans locked in (including a helicopter and I’m not even kidding) that couldn’t accommodate our heroines’ unexpected (and slightly disfiguring) ailments.
Fun fact: being proposed TO can also pose challenges. Many women admit to feeling huge pressure to react in the “right” way. Most assumed they’d cry with joy and felt awkward when they didn’t. Others were rendered a bit mute. One woman responded to her boyfriend’s “Will you marry me?” delivered on one knee with the question “Are you proposing?” Apparently, he was.
Another was in a restaurant when her bloke did the knee thing and delivered a small speech asking her to marry him. “But I just ordered calamari” she said.
I know someone who climbed the Harbour Bridge where a man in her group proposed to his girlfriend at the top with much flourish. She said no. “Everyone was very quiet on the way down,” my friend remembers.
A brief word about knees. They seem to be pretty much ubiquitous and if pushed, most women will say they expect you to be down on at least one of them. But when it actually happens, the truth is that everyone can feel a bit stupid. This is especially true for girls who don’t like a fuss – of which there are many.
Just like not every bride is a Bridezilla, not every woman wants a marching band or even a knee. Says one: “I was shocked when my husband got down on bended knee in the middle of Paris to propose. It should have been the most romantic thing that’s ever happened to me, but I was mortified. I was too busy telling him to “get up off the ground!” to say “yes” .
My favourite proposal stories are the mundane ones. Like the couple who were sitting at home one night watching TV when she got up to go to the loo. “I was going to wait until this weekend but I can’t,” he blurted out from the couch in his jocks. “Marry me!” Another friend had been desperate for her partner to propose when, a week before their eighth anniversary, close friends phoned to announce their engagement after only six months of dating. After congratulating them, she burst into heaving great sobs of disappointment. Alarmed, her partner ran to the garage where he’d stored The Ring for their anniversary dinner and made a mad dash back to the bedroom. “I can’t stand to see you so upset!” he exclaimed. “Marry me!”
And this: “My husband never actually proposed, it just sort of came up in agreed conversation. I designed the ring and when he gave it to me I was in the bathroom. And then when he gave me the ring I hated it, so I had it reset. None of it mattered” she shrugged. “I love him.”
Interestingly, all three of those proposals happened in the 90s. Before those bloody viral videos…






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When this video came out it prompted me to write about my proposal. Many of my friends got engaged after me and you’re right, it’s completely a competitive sport! Not just the story either but the ring!
My proposal was not at all like that. It was at home, during Family Guy. If you want to read it, the full story is here: http://bit.ly/KaWDl4
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Nat Locke wrote an article about this in the Perth STM last week and now this one will appear! It’s times like these I feel all “little old Perth” nobody minded that we’d get 2 similar articles in a row! It’s really not a big deal but I suppose a tricky part of writing nationally!
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My husband and I had been high-school sweethearts but we separated for a few years during uni. When I tracked him down again I told him if we got back together it was for keeps – marriage, kids, house etc. We moved in together a month later and a month after that I found him looking at rings in a catalogue – he was looking at huge (ugly) rings that would never fit on my tiny hands so I went to all the local jewellers, tried on acceptable rings and left the style and size numbers etc around the house where he’d find them. Come Valentines Day and I’d prepared his favourite dinner with the works and he got on one knee to ask me. Suspecting that the proposal was simply a way to cover up the fact that he’d forgotten what day it was (he has since admitted that this was the case) I said “no” just to see the look on his face. I made him sweat for a few minutes before all of the squealing and crying. We didn’t have an engagement party and went straight into planning the wedding AND the marriage (months of pre-wedding counselling). Its coming up on our 15th wedding anniversary and he still makes me giggle like a school girl and still rubs my feet at the end of a long day
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I don’t care what anyone says, this brought tears to my eyes, I love it, its not for everyone and would’t be for me but its so genuine and thoughtful that it has made my day. Good luck to them!
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I think I would have died of shock if my husband proposed to me in some elaborate way! So not me and soooo not him! I kind of new mine was coming but only after I started a fight with him on the night he proposed (oops)…. I should have realised earlier when mum was telling me to be nice tonight (he had gone to speak to my parents during the day). Anyway as the night progressed I could tell what was coming he proposed by saying he loves me wants to spend the rest of our lives together and then he sort of just shoved the box with the ring in my hand and said will you marry me I laughed and said yes but you have to open the box and put the ring on my finger lol! Thankfully no bended knee!
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While I would have been completely mortified at that type of proposal, to be fair to the guy with the marching band, he did say that he and his fiancee were Ac-tor types who regularly do that kind of shit for each other, so I guess for them it suited. Having said that I do find those sort of proposals weird in the sense that they seem to be designed for the mass audience rather than the proposee, ie. unless Ellen gets you on her show to recreate the moment it wasn’t worth doing. I suppose lots of people really just want to be famous.
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I have been married 36 years and I haven’t got an engagement ring, we could not afford it at the time and I don’t think it matters that much. I am not sure why but I find the trend to the “perfect” wedding and the “perfect” proposal a bit disturbing, I am not sure why. I feel for the girls waiting for a proposal (being dangled in front of me, like a carrot as one poster writes). I think, if you are in this situation, you might want to think about what that really means.
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My husband just hugged me while we were walking along and asked me to marry him and I burst out laughing! Poor thing was so shocked…I said yes, eventually, after I got over my attack of the giggles
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Urgh, I find these you tube proposals hideous, I would be absolutely mortified if my husband proposed like that to me! Luckily he knows me and didn’t. I hate the on one knee too…no thankyou.
Our proposal was very basic…let’s get married, ok, when? What about feb 14? No, it’s valentines day – too romantic and predictable- the week after will be fine…ok cool. And that was me not wanting valentines day! Don’t like anything OTT as these proposals are, same with those wedding dances…nice and simple for me
Married 14 yrs.
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We’d been together for 8 years and had a baby together, oh, AND we’d already bought the ring together (how do guys with shared finances keep a purchase that big a surprise?), so it wasn’t a massive surprise to me…. Which my partner knew. However, we were going to NY for a holiday the following week and I was expecting a grand proposal there. I had also expected a grand proposal during a rainforest walk in the Daintree the year before, and was quite upset when the weekend ended and it hadn’t happened. So… Long story short- my partner came home from work late, and I was sitting on the couch in my dressing gown with the baby. He was in his riding lycra, and had a bunch of flowers stuffed in his backpack. He was late cause he’d been riding around trying to find an open florist. He got down on one knee and I said yes
Very casual and very us- I asked him why that day and in that way and he said that he didn’t want me to be expecting it and he didn’t want me to be disappointed at the end of our holiday to NY if it hadn’t happened. Sometimes I still wish for the Empire State Building proposal just for the story… But mine’s a pretty good story anyway
it has humour!
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We went out for dinner then to a show. Hubby was sick and throwing up all night so when he said he wanted to go to kings park for a walk after we had a fight as I was saying we should just go home due to vomiting. Turns out it was nerves and he asked me on a bench overlooking to city. He had asked my dad and been shopping with my mum and my aunt for the ring.
It was a complete surprise and very lovely.
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My partner and I are currently in the pre-engaged stage. We’ve been together 5 years, have lived together 4, own a house together. A few weeks ago we had a conversation about getting married next year, decided on our guest list, type of venue, hat kind of wedding we want-including getting rid of some traditions-first dance, bridal party, etc.
But he wanted to do the proposal in his own time. Which is killing me in some ways-but it’s also special that it is just between us at the moment.
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Oh, and I would be notified by one of those over the top proposals. As would my partner-that’s why we decided to do away with a lot of the ‘wedding traditions’.
BUT if that’s you and your partner-go for it. I think you have to what is tight, and what works for you. It’s your special time, so why do things because ‘that’s what you do’.
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I think you meant to write mortified?
A funny mistake though
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But what’s the point of a proposal for you when the two of you already decided to get married? Isn’t a proposal something that includes somewhat of a surprise/unexpected part?
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I have got to the stage that we have been together so long, i dont care how it bappens, as long as it happens. Sometimes when its talked about and never happens, it feels like a carrot being dangled in front of me. So daggy, extravegant or not, i would love it, because i love my man!
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I would be MORTIFIED by one of those over the top proposals. I very nealry ran off to Vegas to get marreid because I couldn’t stand the thought of tha tmuch attention directed at me (only the thought of my Mum’s broken heart stopped me).
Luckily, my man knew this. One night he came home from work and spent AGES in his car before coming in. I thought he was on a phone call or finishing listening to a song or something. Turns out he was summoning up his courage… Instead he burst in, (tripped over a stool), rushed up to me and “Will you please marry me?”
I was so thrilled I let the peas boil over…
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Good god I would be so embarrassed by all that fuss. We decided to get married over a pint of beer at the Lord Nelson Pub and used my great grandmothers ring because we didn’t have any money for a diamond.So if you know that you’re going to get engaged does that make you engaged to be engaged? soon Tiffanys will have a ring for that too
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sounds like how we got engaged. We were having dinner mid-week at the local pub and a conversation about proposing/marriage came up, he said – “so should we?”, I asked “are you proposing?” and he said “I guess I am”. He gave me his great grandmother’s ring a week or 2 later – after it had been re-sized and cleaned up. We’ve been married 8 years next month. I tease him about how he proposed, but it worked and there was no pressure
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That was our exact conversation! 15 years, 2 kids, a few mortgages, a few retrenchments, sick parents, a house full of stray animals, losing all our savings, saving it back again, and heaps of great times later we still going strong! So I guess we were after a marriage and a partnership not just a wedding.
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“So I guess we were after a marriage and a partnership not just a wedding”
That’s it exactly
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My hubby proposed with a ring on a Friday night after work still in his dirty work clothes!!! I was in a towel having just got out the shower to get ready for a girls night out!! I interrupted his speech with a scream and a yes yes yes!!! He still wanted me to go out so I did, got overly drunk with excitement and he had to come and rescue me!! The next night we had a friends birthday so not to overshadow her night we kept our little secret to ourselves which was a lot of fun then Sunday morning he repeated his speech in full which was very romantic xx
My ring didnt cost much but I love it and wouldn’t change it for the world!!! BUT couples ….. It ain’t about the ring, the proposal or the wedding ….. It’s about the marriage!!! Put all your efforts into that because the rest means nothing otherwise!!!
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I agree. I think young coples get so caught up in the wedding – it is one day. While it is a special day it is how you spend every other day of your marriage with love, fun, laughter, that makes a marriage. Not a big elaborate proposal or wedding.
My proposal after living together for 4 years occurred as we walked by a jewellers ” arent you going to go and have a look” my reply can I get one, his reply yes. Not Mr romantic but we are still together after 17 years. And still have much love fun and laughter in our lives. And our wedding didn’t cost a fortune either!
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It’s so true how younger people put so much emphasis on the proposal and the ring, and not the relationship. I worked with someone who was all of twenty when she got engaged. She admittedly had a BEAUTIFUL ring, which garnered a lot of attention and enquiries, so I heard the entire story many, many times: “he proposed on top of a mountain in Switzerland, got the diamond in Dubai, had it custom-made in Melbourne, blah blah”.
And yet. Most mornings she’d come to work in tears because they’d had yet another fight, and she recently quit her job and moved after they had the good sense to break up and go their separate ways. Just goes to show that all the flash and cash doesn’t buy happiness (well, it might buy happiness for a month or two only!).
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I know a lot of couples who have mutually decided to get married but the guy is still planning on proposing in a more “official” manner at some point. In a situation like that, I could see planning a BIG proposal like Isaac’s. The couple is already engaged, so a yes is basically a sure thing but the actual proposal would still be a huge surprise for the woman. Because who’s expecting a marching band to come in, or a lip-dub of a Bruno Mars song performed by your entire family?
Otherwise, I think these sorts of things put too much pressure on the woman to say yes. How could you possibly say no, in front of 60 of your boyfriend’s friends and family? Even if you’re not ready to marry the guy, it doesn’t mean you want to humiliate him in public.
Personally, although Isaac’s video is a lot of fun and I enjoyed watching it, I would be mortified to be proposed to in such an elaborate fashion. As unromantic as it is, I think I’d just prefer a nice sensible talk, where we mutually agree that getting married is a good idea.
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I find it curious, and if I’m honest not a little sad, that it’s still very unusual for the woman to ask the other in this day and age. I was the one who did the asking, it was unplanned and very low-key. He said yes and here we are.
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My fiancé and I got engaged last Monday. It wasn’t a big elaborate moment, but it was perfect. We spent the long weekend hiking in a national park. When we came to the bottom of a waterfall he got down on one knee and asked me to marry him. It was perfect. No one else around to see and very romantic. Because he wanted me to pick my own ring, he picked up a piece of a reed, tied it in a loop and slipped it onto my finger. The proposal was very “us” and I wouldn’t change a thing.
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That is my idea of a perfect proposal. Tell him he did well- AND you get to choose a ring you love!
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I like that too! So natural. So much more intimate and real than a stupid YouTube video IMO. I am not one for fuss. Also not a big fan of the modern obsession of sharing every moment of your life with strangers. Yay to intimacy, humour, privacy, subtlety and love. Nay to attention-seeking and putting on a show. Same goes for the wedding IMO!
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I had been quietly and secretly planning a scavenger hunt style proposal for about 6 weeks away. Before the proposal I’d planned to talk to her parents, buy the ring, confide in her best friend and rehearse my ‘spend the rest of your life with me’ speech.
Meanwhile we’ve gone to the Good Food and Wine show and Matt Moran is cooking and we get to go on stage.
He cooks for us, tells some jokes and then asks me if I love her. He asks me if there’s anything I want to say. He gives me the microphone and not having practiced my speech it came out so quick: “willyoumarryme?”
She didn’t take me seriously at first, thinking I was just caught up in the moment – “where’s the ring? You’re not on one knee!”
That was scheduled for three weeks away.
I pause, deep breath and someone from the show hands me a small cookie cutter. “Best I can do…” he says.
So, I get down on one knee in front of I have no idea how many people. “This was coming in six weeks but I love you. Will you marry me?”
Fortunately she said yes and Matt Moran gave us a frying pan as an engagement present.
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Been married a loonnngggg time. Still very happy. Wouldn t swap him. He’s a decent and loving human being. He didn’t really propose. It just came up in conversation something like, do you think we should have a long engagement and should I ask your father? Next week we went shopping for a ring (I was really happy and very surprised). My ring does not compare in size to those today but I love it still. And him as well. Lot of unnecessary pressure today with EVERYTHING. It all has to be a major production. From the proposal to the size of the ring to the dress and the WEDDING DANCE!! Now there’s another thing to ponder. I love it and I know it is a lot of fun for a couple to do a big production number for their first dance, to be a bit different. A while ago at a wedding we attended the couple got up a did the traditional bridal waltz. Now that was different!! Happy days to all the new couples!
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My husband and I have always been pretty casual and upfront about this stuff, and not very romantic. We always knew we would get married, but our hand was forced a little (okay, a lot) when we decided to study in the US, as I couldn’t accompany him without us being legally married.
We found a ring that actually almost fit me (I am like an H or something, and there was no way we could afford anything decent custom to fit, so it was meant to be), that I still love, and we both loved it! He held onto it for a couple of days, and we had fish and chips down by the river before he pulled it out and asked. Might not sound romantic, but we are so busy that just having time to chill and sit by the river at night was romantic enough for us!
Some friends of ours got married a few years back, and they told us the elaborate proposal during a picnic. On the way home, I turned to husband and said that he better not ever think of doing anything like that to me…at the same time he said, “I’m glad you do not expect me to ever do that…because I’m not into that either!”
I’m not saying anything about elaborate marriage proposals…if you are both into that, I think it’s beautiful. I love to see people being creative! I do feel sorry for the husbands who may think it’s status quo, when they should be thinking more about who their future wife is, and the proposal that suits both of them.
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My older sister has really skinny fingers her rings are tiny! How long before you came here did you get married?
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We got married end of April, got on a plane beginning of August.
To anyone that knows us, they weren’t surprised in the least!
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This is my ‘proposal’ – probably as far from romantic as it gets.
1. There was no proposal. It just came up in conversation during the Friday night football ad breaks.
2. He didn’t care about rings. He told me to go out and choose one and he would pay – but don’t spend over $1000.
3. He had no money so the ring was on lay-by forever. He ended up getting it off lay-by with a pokie jackpot win at Manly Leagues Club. Well…he gave me the cash and I got it off lay-by.
4. I picked up the ring and he put it on my hand in the front bar of the Brookvale Hotel – in front of all his workmates. I thought it was kind of sweet at the time…..
Anyway, things did not improve in the romance stakes – we divorced after 12 years. I’m yet to meet these romantic youtube guys I keep hearing about. Still hoping.
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Mine came at McDonald’s…he timed it perfectly for when I was taking a huge bite my burger!!
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MrsGeorge, your man is all class……..It could have been KFC…….
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I was propsed to at an airport departure gate, with my screaming son on my knee while I had food poisoning! I ended up saying ‘yeah sure’ then continued to vomit. Not exactly how I imagined it would be.
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My gorgeous hubby proposed to me in another language that I can understand but he knew nothing about. He’d had “Will you marry me?” translated and written phonetically for him. When I answered Yes in the same language, he didn’t know what I’d said because he forgot to find out what yes is!!
Even though I was expecting the proposal, it blew me away that he’d made it special and personal and it definitely made me cry on the night.
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Haha, my husband did the same thing! Corresponded with a school in Wales for weeks to learn the proposal speech which was AMAZING! It was unfortunate that I was crying so hard I didn’t hear a word of it!!! lol. All that effort to fall on deaf ears…. the bended knee gave it away though and I *think* I remembered to say yes!
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My fella’s one was not as as OTT as the one above but you can still see it on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX4dFc02lN8 (Forgive me for my poor microphone skills – I did accept.)
The one drawback to being proposed to in public? You can’t say “No” in front of a cheering crowd. You actually can’t. Not that I would but how many poor recipients of proposal flashmobs etc might have liked some time to think it over or even discreetly say “I don’t think we’re at that stage yet, Sweetie.”?
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My fiance put a lot of effort into his proposal, but unfortunately it WAS a little bit awkward. I was too busy thinking “is this happening?” to really feel any emotion! I was also a bit disappointed because
a) the ring was/is…umm….ugly.
b) my nails were so short and broken from working such long hours. All my first ring pictures have these ugly nails and dry cuticles in them!
But…I’m marrying the man of my dreams who is the kindest, most beautiful person and is truly my best friend. I couldn’t be happier.
BUT — another but — it’s been the judgement from friends which has been most difficult to deal with. My ring is vintage-style (but not your usual white diamonds with pave band kinda deal) and nearly everyone who sees it gives me this patronising “oh, it’s nice!” thing. Which shouldn’t bother me, but it does, I guess. Part of me just wants a pretty Tiffany-style ring like everyone else seems to have. Why did my fiance have to go all original on me? Oh well, he tried his best and I’m slowly growing to like it.
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Just re-read my comments and I sound bratty and superficial. My main point is — none of it matters! It’s just the judgement from people which is annoying!
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Oh Anon! Bless you. Yes “none of ‘it’ matters!” except your wonderful fiance. And don’t be sad about your ring. Even if it doesn’t reflect current trends, in 10 or 15 years maybe your ring’s style will have come back around and you’ll be laughing your ass off at all the same-same ones your friends have
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P.S. Why didn’t you just pop into a nail bar or do your own nails the day after the proposal?!
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It’s funny you mention your nails. I have been with my partner for over 4 years and we’ve discussed getting married so I feel like a proposal isn’t too far away. I have told him that he needs to make sure I’ve had a manicure when he proposes because I don’t want yucky nails in all of those pics haha. This makes me sound so much more vain than I actually am BTW
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I’ve said the exact same thing! I swear I’ve uttered the words “please don’t propose unless my nails are looking good” or “please shout me a surprise manicure the day before you plan to pop the question”! I’m a real hands person so I was disappointed they didn’t look nice when a million people were looking at them.
Cinnamon – it’s rose gold with coloured stones. Enough said?
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I’m curious to know what your ring looks like now!
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My fiancé proposed on bended knee while we were sitting having a quiet drink at sunset on holiday.
Very low key but I would not change it for the world. It was perfect for me who would have been mortified to literally be faced with a big song and dance.
I always respect the courage it must take for people who get the theatrical performance, the proposal at a sports match etc to say no given the amount of pressure they are facing.
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LMAO, i hope other readers will comment with some hilarious stories like yours Mia, that’s great! and BTW – how were YOU proposed too?
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