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Emer O’Toole.

 

Take a look at this picture.

The woman is 28-year-old Irish student Emer O’Toole. As part of a social experiment, she quit waxing and shaving for an 18-month period and then debuted the results on national TV last week.

It was a daring move and the reaction was huge – but not all positive.

Disgusting, horrible and revolting were some of the words being thrown around in the days following the show.

An online “hairfree or carefree?” poll showed 80 per cent of viewers were appalled by Emer’s body hair. And columnist, Amanda Platell,  from the Daily Mail who believes “the only hair that belongs on a woman is on her head” wrote, “watching her I nearly parted company with my breakfast”.

“And we’re not talking a bit of fluff here — she revealed underarm beards that would have made Osama bin Laden proud,” she wrote.

Ouch.

Here’s the clip from the show:

Admittedly, the clip is slightly shocking. But not necessarily in a bad way. And not because Emer dared to “get her pits out for the lads”. It’s shocking because seeing a woman with body hair is about as common as a romantic comedy that ends in divorce.

Why then did she do it?

Emer said she believed shaving or waxing was anti-feminist;  that there is too much pressure on women to “conform to artificial gender norms”.

“All around me my friends were getting laser hair removal, Brazilians, some of them were getting Botox … I just thought where does this end?

“I thought back to when I started shaving and I realised that when I was 14, you know, the hair started sprouting and I didn’t think, ‘Will I keep these or will I shave them off’. I knew I had to shave them off or everyone would think I was disgusting.”

WARNING WARNING DANGER DANGER. The words: “hairy armpits” and “feminism” in the same conversation. Jeez, aren’t we past that?

Self-described “strident feminist” and bloody brilliant author of bloody brilliant book How To Be A Woman, Caitlin Moran thinks hair on parts of your body other than your pubic area, have nothing to do with feminism. Like many women, she eschews the Brazilian but shaves her legs and underarms.

She writes:

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Caitlin Moran

“‘But what about underarm hair?’ people will say – usually 40-somthing men, who look uncomfortable when you use phases such as ‘lovely big Hair Bear Bunch-style minge’, and then downright alarmed when you bring pornography unto it.

‘If you don’t believe in Brazilians, do you shave your armpits? Do you shave your legs? And your eyebrows? You look like you pluck to me. What about your lady moustache?

And then they sit back, a little smug – as if they have just put a sausage roll in the bottom of a trapping pit, and are fairly confident you’re about to go in after it and be captured.

But the crotch, the upper lip and the armpit are miles apart – well, on average, 43cm apart. What happens to them, and why, is wholly different – primarily because armpits aren’t intimately associated with sexual maturity or, indeed, sexuality at all, unless you’re on some seriously specialist websites.

So what you do with your armpits is just an aesthetic concern – and not really part of The Struggle. Given this, I have, over the years, experimented with different looks for my armpit. Some days, a shaved armpit just looks a bit … boring. If I’m wearing jeans and a vest top, and I’m hanging with my homies, it’s quite nice to go a bit ‘Faith’, with a flash of four-day fuzz. There’s something pleasingly musky about it – like you’ve been too busy living the bohemian dream, and souping up your hot-rod, to do something as mimsy as shave.” 

When it comes to hair – legs, upper lip, eyebrows, chin, nipple, pubic – the desirable outcome would be an expanding of the aesthetic lexicon: like when Eddie Izzard explains his transvestism as ‘equal clothing rights for all’. He doesn’t want to wear a dress every day – he might not wear stilettos for a year. But whenever the mood takes a man to wear a dress, or a woman to go furry, there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be part of the range. There are some women out there who are just going to look better with a moustache: that’s statistics. There are a lot of armpits that will look better with a silky curl of fur than they do stripped, or plucked, depending on what outfit is being rocked at the time. A monobrow can be magnificent: my six-year-old – raised on pictures of Frida Kahlo – is militant about hers. ‘I do love it, because it never ends.’

On ‘dress like a character from history’ day, at school, she dresses as Kahlo, and applies mascara to the centre, ‘To make it even better.’

She is so much saner than I was at her age.”

So body hair. Your thoughts?

 

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  1. elle

    Today i got a full leg wax and thought to myself how insane I was for taking an hour to lay half naked in front of a stranger who rips my hair from the roots and I try to breathe through the pain & then i pay her $40 for it! Its totally insane and I really resent the hair removal I feel i must participate in to be attractive or fit in. I actually quite like the feel of hair on my legs and I have lightish hair so its not too visible. It keeps me warm too!
    Still i often wait some time between waxes and have hairy legs and underarms and I still go out in dresses/skirts but not sleeveless tops. Sometimes i think of how insane waxing is and it is almost like self harm but socially acceptable so its fine? I don’t want to inflict pain on myself!

    And i disagree with ms moran. I think brazilians are not different from legs/underarm hair removal. They are all expected of in women.

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    • Ellie

      I remove the hair on my underarms and legs, but refuse to do the Brazilian.

      The difference for me is that a quick shave in the shower is easy, pain-free and I do it for myself. Even when I wax my legs myself I don’t find it too painful or annoying (maybe because I take an hour out of my day and watch an episode of Mad Men – it’s kinda ‘me’ time).

      When I used to have Brazilians done regularly, I found it excruciatingly painful, embarrassing, expensive and time consuming, and was doing it so that my boyfriend (now fiancé) wouldn’t think I was disgusting. When I expressed this to him he was shocked and insisted that he found me sexy either way and hated the idea that I was doing something I hated to keep him happy.

      In my (completely subjective) opinion, that is the difference. But then I can see how you would disagree if you also find waxing your legs painful and time consuming.

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    • Anon

      Brazilian is completely different from legs/underarm hair.. even looking past the sexual/non sexual aspect of things, in the summer, everyone sees your legs and underarms. Ideally, only a small number of people would ever have first hand experience of your Brazilian- and those people shouldn’t care what you do in relation to that hair.

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  2. JM

    Personally, I do think it’s disgusting and yes, I expect to be flamed for having my opinion here as it seems those who think its gross and unattractive are in the minority (or maybe too scared to admit it!).

    If I don’t keep my body hair in check, I feel less feminine. It’s as simple as. I find hair on men attractive to a degree. But that is my personal choice, as it is Emer’s and many other women in the Western world’s choice.

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  3. Anonymous

    That photo looks completely fake. Did she cut up a fake beard and glue it under her arms?

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  4. stoff

    Wow! ….and I thought I was a strong, open minded individual……. what a brave girl Emer is! I so admire her…..I thought I shaved/waxed for personal preference, but when I really think about it, I really do it mainly to conform to a social expectation. I do physically prefer the feeling of hair free, but only because it was presented as an option and something I conformed to! Will this be something that alters with the ever changing perspective of beauty??? and if so,when will the Botticelli perception make a comeback! because I will be a big hit!! Go Emer! I admire you….but shamefully, don’t htink Ihave the confidence to follow you! (at least not in a summery beach climate!!)

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  5. auscrawl

    I don’t really care about legs too much and would never pay to have pain of waxing for a brazillian, but hairy armpits look sweaty and gross.

    I do applaud her reasons for her experiment however.

    I think the pressure for so many things like brazillians and fake tan, anal bleaching etc.. has all gone a bit crazy.

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  6. Olivia

    I remember being a child, having hairless armpits, and not realising that hair grew there on adults. I clearly remember the first time I saw hairy arm pits was on a grown man, and I thought it was gross! Then as I grew up I learned this social rule that “It’s gross on women, it’s fine on men” – but really it’s just not really terribly attractive full stop. For some reason we only put these social constraints and burdens on women.

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  7. sharons

    Don’t mind that she doesn’t shave. It’s her life.

    I however would noT survive without waxing and laser. I don’t do it to please anyone else. I do it because I feel gross and sweaty if I don’t.

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  8. deanne50

    I imagine that she has saved a lot of money not doing what is considered “normal”. And er, aren’t we supposed to have hair we are human after
    all.

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  9. anna84

    I have a friend who, like Emer, has recently decided to go against socially constructed gender norms. She’s stopped shaving her legs and under her arms, she isn’t wearing make-up anymore and she is no longer constantly watching her weight and as a result has gained 5 kilos (she was slightly underweight beforehand and is now at a much more healthy weight).
    I hadn’t seen her for months and the first time I saw her I was really surprised! She’d always been a real girly girl who got very dressed up and wore a lot of make-up so she looked quite different. Regardles, I still thought she looked good and she looked happy and healthy.
    My friend stated that a lot of people had judged her due to her lifestyle change (she has made other lifestyle changes such as becoming a vegan, getting more into activism etc.) and she was actually nervous to meet up with me in case I judged her! I didn’t judge her at all as she is still the same person but I can’t say I wasn’t a little bit surprised!
    I say, do what you want. Me, personally, I like shaving my underarms and legs and I don’t think I am brave enough to challenge the social norms and be hairy! But this is my choice and I feel comfortable with it. I don’t want to be judged because I shave just as much as I wouldn’t judge my friend who doesn’t shave. Each to their own. Feminism, after all, is all about CHOICE.

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  10. Anon for fear of being flamed for frivolity

    Hairlarious!

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  11. catgirl

    I’ve never shaved my legs, not even when I was a teenager. My underarms I keep shaved.

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  12. Gab

    One of my favourite comments on Mama Mia was in a discussion on pubic hair. One clever and sensible woman said” my husband says he doesn’t mind the decor, as long as he is invited to the party!” Brilliant. I worry about the messages we send to our daughters when we inflict pain in order to obtain so called beauty. We really have to start questioning our motivations . If guys want hair free vulvas, well that’s just sad. Children are hair free, women grow hair when they reach puberty. Duh! When they interview couples that have been married for 60 years and they ask them “what has made you marriage so successfully” , rarely do they answer ” a nice smooth muff”

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    • backagain

      Fantastic comment, Gab, I agree!

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    • melissasavage

      Great call. I remember Kevin Smith being (rudely) asked on twitter about what his wife’s vagina was like post childbirth and response was (with a little more swearing) essentially ‘who cares? I get to have sex with her and she’s amazing’.

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      • Lulu

        God god. Who the f*** ASKS someone a question like that? On Twitter, no less?

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        • Lizi

          Can’t believe he dignified it with an answer!

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  13. Jackie

    I’d be interested to see hear the history of hair removal for underarms & legs – where did it start? when? why? with whom?
    I actually began to ponder this last week after reading yet another report that the number of teenagers getting brazillians is rapidly increasing, because they think that pubic hair is gross, & hairlessness is the height of sexiness – with we view pubic hair on a woman in the same way as we do underarm hair on a woman down the track?

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    • Anonymous

      from wikipedia:
      In Middle Eastern societies, removal of the female body hair has been considered proper hygiene, necessitated by local customs, for many centuries.[4] In Islam, this is known as an act of Fitrah. Evidence of pubic hair removal in ancient India dates back to 4000 to 3000 BC.[5] According to ethnologist F. Fawcett, writing in 1901, he had observed the removal of body hair, including pubic hair about the vulva, as a custom of women from the Hindu Nair caste.[6]
      The removal of pubic hair by Western women became more common when bathing suits became abbreviated, starting in 1945.[1] Changes in lingerie styles have also encouraged the removal of pubic hair throughout the years.

      Here’s the link (NSFW) http://tiny.cc/j3ocew

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      • Anon

        Good point Anonymous. So there is another reason besides ‘social conditioning’ why we are all doing it. Hair does look rather messy hanging out of an ‘abbreviated’ bathing suit.

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        • Obsi

          Well don’t forget also that things like lice were more prevalent in the past, so removal of hair (body and head) served to remove the places lice could hide.

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    • melissasavage

      I can’t be bothered googling, but I seem to remember a story about Gilette coming out with a ‘lady razor’ in the 1920s when flapper dresses came into fashion and female legs and armpits were first on display, because women were shaving leg and underarm hair with their husbands’ razors and Gilette wanted to cash in on the new market.

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    • earthfan

      Compared with other major races, Europeans are very hairy. I read somewhere that aboriginal men reacted to the appearance of hairs on their chests with distaste and plucked them out. It was too long ago for me to remember my source.

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  14. Anonymous

    Well one thing is for sure – the hair removal companies have done a fantastic job in marketing over the last century so that a huge percentage of the population will now spend collective billions on removal of something hitherto taken as normal and natural. Mu uncle is in his 80′s and is still puzzled by the modern perception that hairless (pitt, legs etc) women are more attractive

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  15. Debbie

    Amen sister. I hardly ever shave my legs, or my armpits. Not because I’m trying to make a statement. I just think – why the hell should I. I don’t go around waving my arms in the air showing it off – but you know, if a man can grow his hair long and wear it in a pony tale, wax his legs, back and all manner of other things, and perform a moisturising routine every morning and night and still be masculine, why the hell can’t I ignore or all and still be feminine?

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  16. Murasaki

    Wow! On a site mainly aimed at women whats horrifying is seeing so much hate for women and so much hate women have for themselves. This woman looks fierce and beautiful! But then I think pretty much every woman is beautiful.

    I also tried this experiment. Just to see how strong a grip the patriarchy still has on me. The pits were easy – hardly anyone sees them anyway and I think they look great. The legs were much harder – the conditioning there is much much deeper. I actually dont hate how they look – but I sometimes lack confidence walking into a room on my own. Make-up is the taboo area for me though and I spend much time trying to justify how I actually really love spending all that time and money painting my face because my real one isnt good enough according to…someone?? Lets hope they dont start showing bald women in porn or in a few years, guess what? We’ll all be lining up to shave our heads to match our orange tans and claiming that we’re doing it for ourselves and cos it feels better and its cleaner.

    A really cool thing that happened to me though is – a woman at my son’s school said to me “I wish I could just do what I wanted and not care what other people think” – I guess she thinks I’m doing that. And thats pretty awesome.

    I’m going to start donating my the money I save in Lady Tax (shaving and body lotion for dry skin caused by shaving) to causes that HELP women. A truly great woman made this statement “All the time I save in body hair removal I’m devoting to revolution!”.

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    • cat

      just wanted to say i love this comment and want to read it to my future daughters instead of fairytales.

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      • Rebecca

        Actually, I consider shaving my head all the time. Not because I think it looks good (I think it looks ridiculous) or because I want to make some statement. It’s just because my hair really annoys me. Having to wash it and brush it and tie it up. Not mention getting it cut and died. I might have to do the worlds greatest shave just so I have a good excuse. My boyfriend might kill me though, but I’d kill him of he grew his hair so I can’t blame him

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  17. EachToTheirOwn

    Each to their own! Do I like it? No! But whether I like it or anyone else doesn’t is irrelevant! If people want to be ‘natural’ good for them, but I prefer smooth and hair free which is why I wax and have just started IPL procedures!

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    • Leon

      Indian Premier League procedures? Pray, tell more?

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  18. J

    lets be honest, we’ve all let ourselves go from time-to-time in the winter… I need a whipper snipper to get rid of the hair on my legs at the moment and Im not sorry and I dont care…

    People need to just get over it, its not harming them, they dont live with her, they dont have to walk around with hair under their arms if they dont want… I applaud her courage lol.

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  19. emerald

    Shockingly, you lose your hair as you get older. Its not only the hair on your head that thins out. I have always loved/hated hair. Refused to wax the lady moustache until I was about 40. Love waxing bits and pieces now. Nipple hair! Those were the days!
    But just thinking about the pits. Years ago used to let it grow, and yes, as soon as you lifted your arm, people LOOKED! Can’t now remember the last time I had pit hair, might give it another go.
    And just have to say how nice both Michelle and Emer were.

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  20. Hales

    Really, I think alot of people have missed the point. It started out as a social experiment and now she likes the hair. The point is she has the option to choose and that is what she initially took a stand about- the right to choose, despite the very ingrained idea that women MUST shave/ wax/ laser because…well, everyone has been doing it for so long.

    I’m sure when woman was created, the hair served a purpose. Pubic hair was probably designed to protect our naked cave lady gal parts from intruders (I’m thinking bacteria and bugs. Eww?), or cold (I think). Given that at that point in history our gal parts were crucial for procreation and therefore survival of humans, pubic hair was a pretty clever and required tool! Of course, our parts are still crucial for those things but we have clothes and central heating so…

    Now pubic hair probably is less required for protection, we should have the bloody choice and Emer has bravely highlighted that. If it helps young “girls” realise they can actually choose what to do with their own body, then great.

    I love her comments on confidence coming from other areas than looks- you’re looks will eventually fade and then where will you get your confidence?

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    • Anonymous

      The main function of pubic hair is, and always has been, to act as a dry lubricant. That purpose is still as relevant now as for your cave women. But hats off to you for having a red hot go at a bit of evolutionary psychology there!

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      • Me

        It also protects against camel toe :D

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      • Faybian

        It also traps pheromones.

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      • Hales

        Bahaha..thanks Anon. I thought it sounded vaguely reasonable but yes, should have googled first. D’oh:)

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  21. G.J.

    Not something I’d be doing, but she’s gorgeous, she’s proud, and she’s obviously strong-willed and independent and all these things, I admire. You go girl!

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  22. Renae

    I was letting my armpits grow… until I realised one was WAY thicker than the other and it made me look like a mutant. I didn’t mind looking like a bohemian (or a lesbian?) but I couldn’t handle being a mutant.

    I only shave my legs if I want to wear a skirt… and frankly, even though it does make me look like a mutant, I only shave my underarms if I’m going to wear a top that shows them.
    For me, it’s a question of pain or beauty. Shaving (and waxing) are murder to my highly sensitive skin. If I shave, I get a rash. Nothing will help it, not baby powder, or oil or moisturiser.
    Also… they say you should shave your legs on the day you’re going to *do it* or not at all. If your sex life is sporadic, and you never know when you are going to *do it*, it’s easier to just not shave :P

    I do have my eyebrows waxed (and lashes tinted) because I wear specs and it really does look better.

    I agree with a lot of the posters here – it should be about choice.
    It should NOT be about expectations, societal norms or other peoples’ judgements. It should definitely NOT be about porn. Or super models. It should be what feels right to you, and what you like in the mirror.

    I challenge women to give it a try. Try not shaving. Look at your legs. They aren’t gross – they’re just hairy. When you can learn to switch off that conditioned “ew” response and see them for what they are, THEN you can make a choice.
    Until then you’re just a lemming.

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  23. Anonymous

    I’m surprised by all the comments saying how disguising it is. IT’S HAIR!! It’s completely natural and I can’t see the big deal about it. There seems to be an obsession with hair removal and there is not an entire industry dedicated to it.

    I don’t pluck my eyebrows and never have. I don’t shave/wax my pubic hair (and do NOT understand why anyone would want to) I shave my arm pits but only when I’m wearing an outfit that require it necessary and rarely in winter. I never shave my legs.

    If people want to do this, then it’s their business. However this is a feminist issue. So many people feel this way because it’s a woman not looking how “she should” by societys standards.

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  24. Bradley

    I was wondering what had become of Rolf Harris.

    Living in Emer O’Toole’s armpits. Call off the search. :)

    Sorry, but I don’t like the look. At first glance I thought that Emer was wearing a mink stole. By the time that I realised that she was wearing a summer dress, I was thinking who’d wear that on such a cool day.

    Strange that Emer believes a shaven armpit to be anti-feminist, yet appears to have such smooth legs.

    It’s a crazy world.

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    • Belle

      Bradley you clearly didn’t watch the video! Her legs are unshaven.

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      • Bradley

        You are right. I didn’t watch the video. I got it wrong. Her legs were unshaven despite looking smooth and neatly manicured in the still photos. Hang me.

        Her armpits still look terrible.

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  25. Jude

    Pits yes definitely! Everywhere else, i’m pretty lazy. I’m lucky I have blonde hair on my legs so i can get away with it. During winter I only shave them 2 or 3 times. No one sees them so why bother with the hassle of shaving? My partner doesn’t care so neither do I. As for the pubes, I just use my partners clippers he uses to shave his head and I give the map of tasty a run through every now and then to thin it out. I refuse to pay money to have pain inflicted on it.

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    • haylesjb

      Im still giggling about your typo. Map of tasty, hee hee

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      • Jude

        Ha ha that is auto-correct gold!!

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  26. maggie

    Funnily enough I asked my partner this randomly last night what he though of me not shaving.
    He then asked how I would feel if he didn’t shower for a week!

    It’s not even close to a personal hygiene issue. It’s just aesthetics!

    I was rather disappointed with his answer.

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    • Shan

      Quite maggie! HE’S not shaving for way more than a week and you’re not questioning his hygiene!

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  27. Jess M

    It is just hair. How on earth did we all come to think something that grows naturally on our bodies is disgusting? Some like to shave/wax/pluck etc……..and some don’t and that’s ok. No one is disgusting!

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  28. Jo

    Looks like me after 2 weeks away from a razor. Viva Italian genes!

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    • Anon

      Here Here!!

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    • Abs

      Haha I am with you on that one :)

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      • masd270248

        Anyone watch European movies?? They frequently have entire women, real women, maybe that’s because they have real men?? Not sure I really like Aussie men and their “mate” culture, always worries me, think they are more than a little gay, whilst being SO homophobic!! Lol!!!

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  29. LBF

    She’s Irish! She can get away with anything in my eyes. So what? Either way is fine by me. Or shaved an dangerous. Husband is hairy like a gorilla and I love it but shaves his head. I was in a longterm relationship with a guy who started to wax ALL his bodyhair and I made me physically ill. But for some reason women are gorgeous either way for me. Most of the time I shave and pluck but sometimes I let myself go free. No big deal to me. Maybe it’s a European thing growing up with both was all fine.

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  30. Belle

    Horrifying no! Would I grow hair under my arms, no I don’t think so but like Caitlin Moran (reading ‘how to be a woman at the moment and love it) I don’t think it lessens my claim to feminism. However, Emer brings up a really important point. At some point in time it became so much the accepted social norm that it is at the stage that people view it with disgust and women (like myself) are fearful of not complying and young girls are teased for having a few fine blonde hairs on their legs (I’ll put my hand up for this one as well as I used to be that girl).

    The really important thing to consider here is how long will it be before fake boobs and botox become such an accepted part of society that we start looking at wrinkles and real breasts with disgust? Will it soon be the case that women who grow old gracefully and naturally are viewed as an extreme ‘bra-burning’ feminist and become the butt of misogynistic jokes. I am all for women having the choice to do what they want with their bodies but at what point does it stop being something I am doing for ‘me’ and start becoming something that I have to do to be considered a ‘proper’ women and to be considered beautiful.

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    • Murasaki

      I think you’ll find wrinkles and real breasts are already viewed as disgusting. I know a beautiful sexy woman in her early 40s and she recently dated a slightly younger man who asked why she hasnt had implants and a tummy tuck – as though it was just expected. Another woman I know was told by a man she dated that he would not be going near her vagina unless she got a triple x wax.
      I think sadly, we’re already there.

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      • Gab

        Well I hope she told that dickhead to go F*#€k himself . I hope he waxed it first too!

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  31. anon for this

    What about poor girls like me who, for hormonal reasons, would grow a goatee beard (I’m NOT joking) if I didn’t pluck my chin every single day. And shave it when I get slack (which leaves a blue/grey shadow).

    Seeing everyone calling this ‘revolting’ only makes me more insecure. Heaven forbid anyone would notice one of my whiskers – I live in fear of someone brushing up against during a cheek-kiss or anyone noticing it when the light hits it.

    It’s these attitudes that have me feeling this way. If everyone were more accepting I’d not be so anxious about it.

    I am feminine looking and attractive. But every day I fight to not be really really revolting :(

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    • Anon too

      I identify with every part of what you’ve written. Do you suffer from PCOS? xx

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      • Kylie

        Ahhh PCOS…My faithful, hair raising enemy…how I do detest thee…with fertility issues and sprouting whiskers in places women ‘aren’t meant’ to have them (PAH! Who says!) – all I can say is I am lucky enough to be engaged to a man who takes these issues and many many more in his stride…for now, we are focused on fertility as to us, that’s much more important that worrying about where the next fuzzy patch will pop up and when and what people may think/say about it…

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      • Obsi

        PCOS – where you simultaneously lose the lovely flowing hair on your head and have it grow out your chin instead! As if one isn’t bad enough, but it just adds insult to injury having both.

        Which is probably part of the reason I made the decision to hell with it – I was fighting a losing battle… I’m a wookie, no sense fighting it.

        Except I have to admit that while I’ll do the hairy pits, bush and legs – I do still pluck out the chin/neck/lip hair and fix up the monobrow

        But I find hairy bits to feel a lot nicer than prickly ones, or itchy sore ones from shaving.

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        • Anon for this

          I was just about to mention our lovely friend PCOS. I was much more lax about hair removal in my younger days. Now every day is hair removal day. I have more tweezers than you can poke a stick at. Car, handbag, home, work…. natural daylight is the worst – throws up all the offenders who hide in the shadows of the bathroom lighting.

          And yes Obsi.. Sat I am going to cut off my long hair. It used to be lucious and I loved it… but no longer. From half way down my back to half way to my shoulders… sob… at least until I can figure out how to reign in my hormones and hopefully encourage it to grow back as it was.

          I’m trying not to feel to sad about it but having thin/ning hair is awful! Number one is to stop looking at pictures of Mrs Cambridge.

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  32. Anonymous

    im all for hair on the head and bit on the arms bt no where else on the body thanks! gross!!!

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  33. JC

    I think there are bigger atrocieties in the world then a woman’s body hair _ Good one I say…

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  34. hairy lesbian feminist

    After back packing around the world for 9 months I worked at a summer camp in Maryland USA. The teenage girls in my cabin and my coworkers regularly asked me is I was a lesbian and/or a feminist because I had hairy legs (or was it because I was old (25!) single and travelling the world on my own?)
    I had hairy legs because I couldn’t be arsed shaving + didn’t have a razor in my backpack (no make up either)
    They just could not cope with this answer. They believed that body hair on a woman MUST be a statement of some kind, not a random event.

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  35. Rima

    isnt it just good hygiene?

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    • Snap!!

      Oh FFS……..

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      • JosiePie

        It means it has NOTHING to do with hygiene.

        Would you call men are unhygienic? No.

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    • kikile

      pfft! If it is just good hygiene, then what about all the men!

      I don’t know any men that shave their underarms. Do you think they are unhygienic too?

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      • JosiePie

        LOL – snap!

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        • Rima

          i did not expect such strong responses. i do think it is good hygiene. i dont want to compare everything to men, what they do or dont doesnt matter to me. i just feel cleaner.

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          • Belle

            Rima, I actually think if you consider the amount of bacteria that is likely to be lurking on a razor it is probably actually less hygenic to shave. BO is not caused by sweat itself it is caused by bacteria.

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    • Anonymous

      Removing hair actually does NOTHING for hygiene. As long as you shower/bathe, then you’re clean. Shaving or waxing doesn’t actually make you clean. Hair is there for a reason and initially, it was to keep the sensitive parts of your body protected.

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  36. Anon

    Good on her! One thing though – I wonder why she’s choosing hair to make a stand, while her face is painted with makeup and she wears a lovely dress and boots? Why is hair the bad guy here?

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    • Belle

      Actually I think the fact that she is made up and wearing boots highlights her point brilliantly. Her point is about choosing what feminine conventions she complies with not having the choice made for her. It also demonstrates that just because she doesn’t shave doesn’t mean she can’t enjoy dressing up. Why should it??

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    • Jo

      Her initial experiment was about choices, she doesn’t wear make-up everyday and thinks nothing of it so she knows that it is her own choice (and not something society has imposed her) when she DOES choose to wear it.

      Before the experiment, she felt she HAD to shave and that it was not a so much a free choice.

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    • Obsi

      Also, you can choose to wear makeup on a daily basis – or even put it on for a tv interview and take it back off again an hour later.

      Body hair is not like that – you can’t decide to shave it off for the morning and have it back again an hour later.

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  37. mummamoo

    I sweat A LOT, to the point where if I don’t deal with the armpit fuzzies every few days I notice my own whiff. And THIS is why I do it.
    Legs get attention all summer long, as they are out and proud and I like them soft and smooth. In winter, they get shaved when they start to get caught in my tights. SO uncomfortable!
    Eyebrows get plucked into a shape that better frames my face.
    Bikini line gets attention when I intend to swim, and then also gets trimmed and tidied up for the rest of the year. Since having kids I seem to have serious bikini hair migration, making its way further down my inner thighs than ever before. I don’t like this. Husband isn’t bothered at all, but I don’t want to be forcing him to floss if he’s not prepared for it either.
    Each to their own!
    My mum wasn’t concerned about hair at all, and stayed that way until she started competitive sport at 52 yrs old. NOW she removes the strays, remembers to shave her armpits every couple of weeks and her legs about the same.
    I pluck my husbands ear hairs, remove the random stray eyebrow hairs and he trims his nether regions when he wants to. I don’t mind how hairy he is, as long as he loves me!

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  38. Guest

    I can’t take someone seriously who claims to be challenging gender norms and all she is does is stop shaving her legs and armpits. I might not get that hairy in the pit, but that’s me mid winter if I’m single, some days. It is hardly revolutionary.

    How can you claim to be boldly challenging artificial gender norms (her words) if you then style your long hair, pluck your eyebrows, wax that lady mo (as a dark haired woman I’m sure she had one naturally and if she had left it the presenters would have brought it up I’m sure) put on makeup and a pretty dress to go on TV?

    There are many interesting women out there who challenge gender norms. This just reads like ‘pretty girl doesn’t shave armpits! Omg!’

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    • Kateateight

      I dare say tha tthere are many, many women who would be too afraid to do this.

      Too afraid of being considered ‘gross’ and ‘unfeminine’

      So I think this is quite a good story, quite interesting, and she really has challenged some norms.

      I wonder if you would be brave enough to go around in your swimmers or a singlet top with very long under arm hair?

      I think it’s super brave.

      But I wish it wasn’t. I wish it was normal, and that I wouldn’t feel judged if I didn’t shave.

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  39. ITS NATURAL!!

    Get over it. GET OVER IT.
    And don’t push your views onto others. If you like to remove everything, then do it. If you don’t, then don’t. But seriously, it’s JUST HAIR.
    My mum shaved her head, really shaved it, to the skin, when I was growing up, for a variety of reasons, and people lost it about that too. Do they care when Bruce Willis does it? No.
    Men get away with way more than we do and I am SICK OF IT.
    Rant over.
    Have a nice, hairy or hairless, day.

    **for the record I shave my pits because I find them less smelly if I do. I pluck my eyebrows because I personally do not find monobrows becoming on anyone, male or female. My lady-tache, lady garden and legs remain hariy.

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  40. The Original Steph

    Sorry. Why is this gross? Or horrific?
    It’s hair. It’s natural.
    I am a person who removes hair, yes, but pretty infrequently. With two young kids, I often have fuzzy legs or unwaxed eyebrows. I do the maintenance thing all at once and then it all goes to seed two days later :-/
    But I would be mortified if someone thought I was “gross” because of it. I am well groomed, I smell nice and I have good manners. But “gross” because I dont shave my armpits for a while? Not cool.
    Seriously, guys and girls. Some people dont even have legs. Or are bald from chemo. This is a no-brainer. It’s hair. Get over it.

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  41. inkabinka

    I’m sad to see so many people saying it is gross and repulsive.
    My husband is a very hairy man, and that includes a hairy back. He will not swim, he will never remove his shirt in public, all because of how judged he is for something that is NATURAL.
    It breaks my heart.

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  42. Anonymous

    I think Caitlin Moran’s argument is silly. Body hair, in men and women, is about reaching sexual maturity. Whether it’s armpit hair or pubic hair, it’s a sign of puberty. For someone like me who had her period and armpit/leg hair a good 6 months before my pubic hair started to grow, it was actually a much bigger deal to me than pubes.

    I wax my genitals (and fyi, I started dong so when porn still featured full bushes almost exclusively) but I rarely shave my legs or armpits. The hair on both is minimal and light, so not too noticeable, and I’m usually wearing tights and sleeves, so no one’s going to see anyway.

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  43. Jane

    I’m with Amanda Platell here. Hairy armpits on women just make me want to bring up my lunch. Same with hairy legs. Revolting!! I shave my armpits an legs all the time as well as pubic area. Eyebrows are plucked too. Waxed men gross me out too. Unless its back hair. That just makes my skin crawl. A bit of carpet on a mans chest isn’t too bad, most mn are hairy. My husband shaves his face every day but that’s it. If he shaved anywhere else, eeww. Waxing? No chance.

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    • Jessica

      Why do hairy armpits on women make you want to “bring up your lunch” but not on men??

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    • Aisha

      You make a totally nonsensical argument. I don’t like body hair period. If you have it, cool, whatever. You say body hair is gross but then un-hairy men are gross, too? What?
      I don’t like body hair on myself, and don’t like it on other girls (but hey if it makes them happy, power to them!), and I also prefer less hairy or even hairless guys. I will put up with men’s body hair to an extent, but I would find them more attractive if they didn’t have it. Hairy pubes? don’t expect me to touch it, let alone go down on it.

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  44. Michaela

    For the people saying that her body hair is ‘horrific’, I wonder if you feel the same way about all the natural, totally normal things that everyone in the world has. Like does male body hair disgust you in the same way? Or eyelashes?

    Any women saying they are disgusted by this have to ask themselves why they let media and trends control their idea of beauty and why they have such distaste for their own body’s natural form. Please, visit a non-Western community where pit-hair is the norm and try telling them they’re gross.

    And as for the men, when you’re happy to shave your pits every few days and put up with that itchy regrowth feeling, as well as undergo every ritual required of women to be ‘attractive’, then we’ll talk.

    This is what is meant by double-standard and male privilege.

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    • Hypocrisy Tracker

      “And as for the men, when you’re happy to shave your pits every few days and put up with that itchy regrowth feeling, as well as undergo every ritual required of women to be ‘attractive’, then we’ll talk.”

      This is what is meant by double-standard and male privilege.

      Really Michaela?

      Do you shave your face? Because that’s a societal norm that is expected of men if they are to be respected as successful and a worthy mate.

      Do you think men with hairy backs and shoulders are the pin up culture or make the hottest 100 bachelors?

      No, because hirsute men are decried as gross just like this lady has been and there is no double standard.

      How about a deal? You can all stop shaving your armpits and we’ll stop shaving our faces.

      Lets see how that one works out for you

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      • Anonymous

        Nice try but no cookie.

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      • Michaela

        Seriously? Beards are totally accepted as a norm. Looking around my office now, there are four guys with beards….and no hairy-pitted ladies.

        If this post showed a bearded man, would there be an outcry? Nope, because it’s a total non-event.

        You sound like someone who believes in ‘reverse-racism’ as well as this ‘oh the poor mens’ nonsense.

        Women have far more value placed upon their looks than men, and often suffer from it. You’re deluded if you think otherwise.

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  45. Jen

    Ew, gross. I used to have a friend who never shaved her pits (she does now) and I used to tell her to buy a razor EVERY TIME I SAW HER. It obviously never stopped me being friends with her or going out with her, but still, gross. Not something I’d ever contemplate.

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    • Michaela

      You sound like a bit of a bore if you have nothing better to tell your friends everytime you see them.

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      • Turtle

        Id be telling them also!!
        Or better still, do laser!!!!

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    • pt

      It may have never stopped you from being her friend but wow I’d sure stop being friends with you!

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    • Anonymous

      With friends like you – who needs enemies!?

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  46. MelsieMoo

    Whilst I have no issue with her hair growth in any region of her body (and I remove hair for a living), I am concerned that her stance does not apply to her eyebrows. I understand that not all women have the fuzzy, wuzzy caterpillars that I have been blessed with, but to remove all ‘artificial gender norms’ Emer (well all of us really, this is a sisterhood issue isn’t it?) should throw away her tweezers!

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  47. kelli

    i don’t shave at all and don’t find it repulsive. Good for her!!

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  48. a

    For me, I definitely sweat more and produce BO if I have hair in the pits. And those are things I would like to avoid.

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  49. Caris

    As far as I’m concerned people can do with their own underarms what they wish. I only have only a spattering of underarm hairs and removed the few offenders every couple of weeks or so.

    My mum didn’t let me shave my legs as a young teen (10 years ago) as she didn’t see it as necessary and also as I think she wanted to ‘protect’ me from permanent dots like she has on her legs due to shaving for many many years.

    I was horribly teased for it as all the other kids thought I was gross which resulted in me permanently wearing jeans or track pants to school until I eventually gained the courage to ask her again and I started using depilitary creams (before secretly starting shaving – those creams are expensive!).

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  50. Leela

    It’s all about personal choice. I’m European so shaving is a daily thing for me when it comes to everything. My mum on the other hand is opposite. There’s no right or wrong.

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    • Anonymous

      Shaving isn’t necessarily a European thing. You’re talking about several different countries, for starters. The stereotypical German backpacker has hairy armpits, same as the French. That’s all it is, though, a stereotype.

      I don’t like having hairy underarms, I think it’s unsightly and I don’t like the sweat collecting there. I’m still a feminist, albeit a well plucked one.

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      • Leela

        I meant because I’m European I personally HAVE to shave every day to avoid looking like chewbacca.

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