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dont feed the troll 380x433 How thick is your skin?

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How thick is your skin? Leather or paper? It can be difficult to tell from the outside. For example, I have this one friend whose actual skin is covered in tatts. He’s big, burly and looks quite a lot like a bouncer. He is also wildly successful in his chosen career (not bouncing) and yet he’s the first to admit that his skin is of the paper variety.

Criticism of his work wounds him deeply to the point where he struggles to get past it and keep doing his job. This is a problem (albeit a first world one) because he has a public profile and that means feedback is incessant. And even though correspondence runs the full gamut from abuse to praise, it’s the negativity that’s most potent. “I reckon I’d get 50 nice emails for every bad one but it’s only the bad ones I remember” he tells me. “And I’m not even on Twitter or Facebook – for exactly that reason. Just the thought of it makes me want to be violently ill.”

My skin used to be thin. It was worn down by a particularly bruising stint in a bad job that had a sandpaper-like effect on my confidence.  How interesting – or possibly stupid – that I chose that time of my life to begin a career online. It took ages for the layers to grow back but the dynamics of social media and writing daily online certainly fast-tracked the process.  It was either that or slam shut my laptop and hide under the bed. Anyone who works online or has their work published regularly on the Internet quickly grows skin thicker than the average bear. Or elephant.

You have to or you’d end up in the foetal position on your therapist’s carpet most days. Actually…

Let’s file under ‘irony’ and ‘karma’ the fact that journalists, columnists and writers often cop the worst of online abuse, particularly if they write opinion pieces. I was recently discussing this with a journalist friend after one of us had endured a particularly bruising bout of social media ‘feedback’.

In ye olden days things were so very different. If you were a journalist, you simply filed your copy and people loved it, hated it or ignored it. Whatever they thought, you rarely found out.  “Remember when the worst that could happen was the occasional pissed off reader would ring and get put through to the editor’s secretary?” reminisced my friend as I nodded wistfully. “Or a grumpy piece of correspondence might be buried in the letters page.”

Those were gentler times. And less distracting. Someone once said to me “What other people think of you is none of your business”. I think that’s excellent advice but it’s not always easy to follow. Because no matter how much you try not to care or be diverted by mindless abuse from strangers who can’t spell and use exclamation points with gay abandon, it can be tricky to look away.

To paraphrase: opinions are like bums, everyone’s got one. And expressing your opinions, all of them, IN CAPS LOCK is now an option for anyone with a spare three seconds and an internet connection. BYO expletives.

And what’s with the death threats? One guy I know who was involved in a popular TV show was surprised to receive death threats over it. Death threats? In Australia? “What about you just change the channel?” he mused. “Why must it be ‘No! I don’t like your show! You must die!’”

I often wonder what people used to do with the explosive anger they now hurl around on the Internet behind the very brave sobriquet “Anon”. Did they kick their dogs? Punch holes in their bedroom walls? Pull the wings off flies? Were they road ragers?

Journalist and author, Peter Fitzsimons, has a theory about this. Having copped some charming online abuse in his time, he delights in playing the occasional mind game with the trolls. “It’s like people just throwing open their window and shouting out ‘Peter FitzSimons is a dickhead!!!!!’” he explained to me. “If you just quietly reply ‘Hello, I’m here’ they get such a shock and they slam that window shut in one hell of a hurry.” This is mostly true in my experience. It’s as if they don’t expect you to be real or something and they’re often rather sheepish when they discover you are.

Still, it can be challenging to find the balance between remaining open to feedback while protecting yourself from abuse.

Years ago I had a boss who gave me some invaluable feedback about feedback. “Mia, you’re motivated by criticism,” he said, explaining that he worked with a lot of editors and as a publisher he had to determine how best to motivate each of them. “Some need praise and go to water if you criticise them but others use it to push themselves.” He wasn’t wrong but the key to the success of his approach with me is that the criticism was never mindless, never personal and came from someone I respected.

Anonymous trolls are a whole other bowl of cereal.

How thick is your skin?

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  1. wideeydgirl

    Getting thicker but probably not as fast as I’d like. There is one particular person with a medium-sized profile who jumps on everything I write and paints this picture of me as a bigoted ogre. Anyway I think I have come to represent something or someone else she’s been fighting against and obviously an online stranger is easier to abuse than the real reason you are defensive and peed off most of the time! It still hurts though. Your thoughts on this definitely help – thanks for sharing.
    Nicole x

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  2. Peta-Jo

    I’m pretty thick-skinned now… but at the start of my career – phew, I kept tissues handy! I remember a burly, angry man abusing the living shit out of me because a columnist on my weekly paper had not sent him a country music CD as promised.
    I was petrified, mostly because he wanted addresses – mine and the columnists! I managed to not cry till I got to the toilets! When I came back, the ed secretary – what would we do without them? – was waiting, asking if I was okay. “Totally,” big smile with trembling lips!
    I’ll never forget that!

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  3. Lisa Lintern

    I love this piece. While the internet brings us so many wonderful things, its biggest downfall is the ease of which mindless trolls can publish their poorly informed and dangerous views anonymously. This was running through my mind recently when Qantas copped a hiding online for their #qantasluxury blunder. Yes, it was a poorly timed mistake, but I was really dismayed by the barrage of bullies who used it as an opportunity to put the boot in. A brand is one thing though. A personal attack? Multiple it 1000 times. I blogged about it here: http://lisalinternblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/its-twitter-fight-fight-fight.html

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  4. Julie Morgan King

    When I started contributing to ABC the Drum/Unleashed, and on julesdog blogspot, I was stung by the commentary, but when a friend read my pieces she said “There’s only one thing worse than being talked about….” She meant no comments was worse than anything. These days, I am pretty comfortable for the ignorant to post anything they like. Their foul words, bad grammar, misuse of language and irate tone speak for themselves. I am happy someone cares enough to write; though the ones that start with “Now, now Julie,,,,,” So patronising!

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  5. MissT

    Is it ironic I’ve written this comment 3 times, then been too scared to post it?

    My skin is one-ply-toilet-paper thin. I wish I didn’t care what other people thought, but I do. I wish I hadn’t been brought up to believe I’m the least important person in the world, and everyone else’s opinions, wants and needs take precedence over mine, but I was.

    I’ve been a victim of bullying and abuse for most of my life and the way I view myself has had a lot to do with it. Or maybe it’s the other way around. Chicken, meet egg. Either way, it’s hard to fight for yourself and your views when you’ve been taught you’re not worth fighting for.

    I’m sure it was all supposed to teach me to be a better person. To be selfless, to be caring. But it just taught me to fear what others might say or do.

    Gradually, I am re-learning how to think.

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    • picardie.girl

      I nearly gasped out loud when I read that about being brought up to believe you’re the least important person in the world.

      That is so sad, MissT, and so shocking – it makes me even more impressed with you to realise what you have combatted. I know that I don’t really know you, but I feel like I do. I love your comments, I love your blog, and I think you are pretty amazing, actually.

      Of course you’re worth fighting for! Never a question in my mind.

      Best wishes for your journey of thought re-evaluation. xx

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    • archie

      Couldn’t go past without saying… You’re my favorite commenter here, without you this site would be a whole lot more boring. Thanks for being you!

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    • Sparky

      I think you’re lovely, too. I always enjoy your comments.

      Self-esteem is a birthright. I am glad you’re finding your way.

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    • Jessica

      I have to say I was very surprised to read this as you always sound so confident in your opinions and from what I’ve read from you here I would have never ever guessed you think of yourself like this.

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    • Kricket

      Oh my goodness we were brought up with very similar things. I was always taught to treat everyone else as more important than myself. I admit it’s made me a very empathetic person, but it took a long time for me to realise that my opinions DO matter and that I should do things for myself and not just because it might help someone else.

      Even as an adult I’ll give up my seat to other adults. Haha!

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  6. whatahooha

    The Insta-abuse factor of this interweb thingy makes things worse…any ass (ie the public is an ass) can read something (often not comprehensively), become enraged or enlarged with the importance of _their_ opinion, and fire off a post. All the considered thought process of composing a Complaint is taken out of it.

    In press, public reaction is diffused and delayed, unless people reach for the phone as they are reading. I always had very supportive editors, who stuck up for me when the public rang up to abuse, (and even supported me when the writs started flying !)

    Robin Barker’s advice on dealing with unwanted pregnancy comments fits the bill in so many situations…. If someone comments, it’s more about them than it is about you.

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  7. InKL

    It depends who’s criticising me I guess. If it’s someone I care for then it really makes me stop and think because I’d like to think I’m being true and doing the right thing by my friends.

    If it’s someone I don’t know then I’m less likely to give a shit. I think that’s because I’m getting older and feeling more comfortable with myself. I also fantasize about all the outrageously rude things I could respond with and then congratulate myself for being so superior. It helps me from getting into further trouble.

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  8. Catherine Bauer

    In my early days as a newspaper journalist I too would buckle at the knees and experience all the gut churning “this is it, my career is over before it’s started” self-flagellation that would come with stinging reader criticism. My first expereince was being called “mentally retarded” before a packed public gallery by a grumpy old city official. My fantastic editor came to my defence with an invaluable pep talk, part of which was “you’re probably not doing your job if you don’t get at least one legal writ now and again and if you don’t get regular feedback, then you’re definitely not”. Good journalism is supposed to provoke a response. Many years and three children later I was blogging about family issues and copped a particularly nasty oneline tirade. Thankfully that editorial wisdom passed on in my early career has comfortingly stood the test of time.

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  9. Sarah Kempson

    I have had a blog for two years and never copped any criticism, until I wrote a guest post for another website (after winning a competition) and the nasty comments flowed. I thought I was pretty thick skinned until I was faced with the actual comments, posted by faceless and anonymous critics on the web. I was devastated. It seems my skin is not so thick and that the online bullying bought back all the memories of real live bullying. Here is the piece I wrote for my blog that talked about my experience. http://sarahsstyleemporium.onsugar.com/Sticks-stones-18251962 I wouldn’t wish it on anyone but I also think it has made me stronger.

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    • archie

      Wow, those blog replies were HORRIBLE. And you did so much better than I ever would have. You’ve got real style.

      Please ignore the haters.

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    • fee283

      you – my beautiful, yet to meet in person, friend – are amazing. your writing & way you relate to people is what makes you so good at what you do.

      always love & support from this chicka!
      fee xx

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    • carla83

      those comments really suck. Good on you for keeping on blogging!

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  10. girly

    I am shocking. I always care what others think. I was really sick and needed to take last week off work. I am now dreading seeing my 2IC because I am worried she will be snappy at me for having the time off. I don’t want her to hate me, dammit!! :(

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  11. Ricky Gervais on Twitter this morning:

    You must never concern yourself with critics. That’s what they wish for- to make you as unhappy as they are. The best revenge is living well

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    • carolynj

      In Gervais’ case I think the best revenge is having shitloads of money, a house in Hampstead and an apartment in New York.
      You could criticise everything about me if it ensured that kind of living well.

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    • MikeyMike

      I like this one … “Against criticism a man can neither protest or defend; he must act in spite of it, & it will yield to him” Goethe

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    • JK

      Critics are just small minded people who never make it in life

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  12. Melissa J

    I was thinking about this today. Online I don’t care, but in life I stew and get anxious about anyone thinking negatively about me, I dread confrontation, I feel guilty about something alll the time.
    It’s exhausting.
    If only I could just suck it up, be confident about my decisions, do/say what I really want, learn to relax, always have perfect hair..
    sigh. Maybe I should take up yoga. Or be more dedicated to drinking wine.

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  13. ellyklein

    Your harshest critic should be yourself.

    I’m not talking about self-flagellation. I’m talking about setting high standards for yourself and being the best person you can possibly be. Everyone else’s opinions (good or bad) don’t really matter.

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  14. dk-mum

    Not thick at all… I care way too much about what other people think of me, and always go out of my way to ensure I leave them with a nice impression of me. I sometimes find that I become a person I don’t like if I’m around people whom I feel make me try really hard… Or people who’s oppinion I don’t care about for some reason. And I’m brilliant at putting myself down over that.

    I can rationalise about it and tell myself I don’t really want people in my life who don’t care for me, but the need to please is so ingrown that my emotions just take over…

    Sucks…

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  15. Mel

    Well, i’m not particularly thick skinned and I worry too much about how my actions will possibly affect others. I do think how thick your skin is has a relationship to how much you believe in yourself. Last week I thought to myself, “those who matter don’t mind and those who mind don’t matter”.

    In relation to constructive criticism- i’m working on that. My parents are very defensive people and always refused any reasonable, objective, criticism i’ve tried to address with them over the years. I often find that I take feedback really hard and I get upset at myself but then I remember how my parents are and that I see they have not grown, they don’t compromise or meet people half-way and are stuck in a rut- and very unhappy. I think it is so important to teach your kids how to accept feedback or constructive criticism and to use it and also to know how and when to stand your ground when the feedback is not constructive or objective.

    I would say i’m very careful with my comments online because I know things can be taken out of context, or misunderstood, and people don’t come online looking for negativity. I often post anonymously for certain things and don’t feel that if someone posts anon and disagrees that they are deliberately looking for trouble.

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  16. MissT

    I would like to share two quotes. I don’t remember where I heard either of these and I know the second one was in a song of mine at some point but I have NFI if I made it up.

    “Don’t worry about what other people think of you: you’d be surprised how often they don’t.”

    “Sticks & stones may break my bones but words will break my heart.”

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    • MissV

      your first quote is very, very true! We’re so worried about what others think yet chances are they’re so worried thinking the same that nobody thinks about anyone else.

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    • picardie.girl

      Miss T, your first quote is just like one of Olivia Joules’ Rules for Living in the book Olivia Joules and the Overactive Imagination by Helen Fielding (you might enjoy? I loved it). The rule goes something like “Don’t worry what other people think. They aren’t thinking about you; they are thinking about themselves – just like you.” :)

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  17. Daniella

    I am literally tissue paper. Is is ridiculous. The funny thing is though I really could not care less about what people think of me but if someone makes a negative comment/remark, I instantly get emotional and start tearing up. I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHY!!! I even tear up when someone goes out of their way to say or do something nice for me. It’s beyond ridiculous!

    …bloody tear ducts and oestrogen…

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    • Mel

      I reckon that being sensitive or experiencing our emotions fully is a gift. Sometimes I think the tears remind me of what is important to me. I often think about why i’ve cried and usually something good comes out of it.

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      • Daniella

        I’ve never actually thought of it like that before, Mel. You actually made me re-evaluate myself and my emotions and for that and your insanely wise words, I just want to give you a big virtual hugs and a massive thank you! :)

        I hope you’re having a great day!! xx

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  18. You can call me Susan

    I want my children to have resilience. Unfortunately I don’t always have it myself.

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  19. roserusso

    I always post with my full name exactly for this reason – I never write anything for this site or comment on anything I wouldn’t normally say to someone’s face.

    My skin isn’t leather but it isn’t paper thin either. Everyone is human and has emotions, depending on what kind of day I’m having a nasty comment will effect me differently. No deserves to be abused online or in person for that matter.

    As I get older I’ve noticed that I’m a lot less emotional and I’m pretty resilient. Perhaps it’s about life experience or just realising that my family and friends opinions matter more to me than an online anonymous comment.

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    • vanessayoung

      I always post under my own name, as well. I understand why some others don’t, but I wish there were not so many anons. it makes it hard to sort people out, It would be good if people used pen names. Besides, it is good to see how various “favourites” (Idle Dad, JJ, Miss T, yourself) are doing.

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      • MissT

        Thanks for including me ;)

        I use the same nickname I use in life (although there it’s just T), rather than my real name, but my website address is my full name and I have no issue telling people what it is. And, obviously, there’s a photo of my face beside everything I say.

        It does make me think about what I say, and I think that’s a good thing.

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    • Kerryn

      Yeah me too, I think it makes me more responsible for my online actions if I use my real name. Though I have chickened out a couple of times and been “anon” for a particular subject. But basically my policy is not to say anything online that I wouldn’t stand by in real life.

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  20. ClaireC

    The thickness of my skin depends on who is making the criticism. If it is someone whose opinion I value, then I would take it to heart. If it is some random person on a website such as this who disagrees with me and is being mean, then I don’t give a toss. It is one thing that always baffles me about this site, that people take the comments of others so personally when they don’t even know you. It is very easy for meaning and context to be lost when commenting here, so I don’t think people should get so worked up and outraged about it all.

    I find it odd when someone writes an opinion piece on here, or writes about their life, and someone dares disagree with them (heaven forbid!) or heaven forbid questions their choices then everyone comes down on them like a ton of bricks. I always take the view that if someone is going to put themselves and their choices out there that they have to expect that some people will disagree and it would actually be boring if we all just said “good on you”. It should be ok to say “actually, I don’t agree with your choice”, but I find on here that it usually doesn’t work like that.

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    • Natasha

      Well said ClaireC

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    • Lisa

      So well put! I’m such a Daddy’s girl, if I get criticisim from my Dad it cuts to the bone. Most other people, I can shrug it off or learn from it. My Dad means the best, but sometimes he has a way with words that is hurtful.

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  21. Kissie

    I used to have a pretty thin skin but since I started my business and got some bad feedback from certain sectors of the community I now don’t really give a sh*t. I realise that there are some people who will always be haters and they will have to disagree with something and be awful and mean and nasty about it. And usually these are people who are so entrenched in their own narrow-minded world that any opinion or choice that is different to theirs is really threatening, so they come out swinging. These people I don’t need approval from, so I let them be. And I don’t care that they don’t like me.

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  22. alissakgillies

    I’m paper.. I act like i’m leather, due to that people try harder to break me down :o (

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  23. ac

    im quite sensitive to negative feedback esp at work…i am getting better though.

    As for nasty comments, being a blogger and on social sites im kinda lucky i dont get them often, nor do i come across many negative people but i always think
    ‘what people think of me is not my business’ and let it go….

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  24. Kathy

    One thing that I constantly use in life is to remember that anger and insults come from someone unhappy with something in their own lives! It usually has nothing to do with you! I don’t really need to deal with online trolls as such but I remind myself of this all the time especially when I’m angry about something or bitching about someone. I pause and take a moment to think “wait why are you bitching about this person” and usually it’s because I AM pissed off about something or jealous and I stop myself. surely this would always almost be true, truly content and happy people wouldn’t go around slinging insults? That’s my feelings anyway. But like I said sometimes I’m being the mean, unreasonable one but I always try to have some sense of reason and remind myself I’m just taking my own frustrations out on someone/something else. It can be summed up by traffic some days caught in heaps of slow traffic I barely notice I’m just singing along to the radio and having merry old thoughts but when I’ve not had enough sleep or had a bad day of some sort all of a sudden the traffic is the WORST thing ever and every move a car makes annoys me and I’m so desperate to get home/work/wherever to my incredibly “important” life!

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    • Kathy

      Almost always not always almost*

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  25. Tripitaka

    I also have a very thin skin – I mean in relation to real life, but I guess it applies to online as well. Once I didn’t get a job that I really wanted, and I felt that I had been treated very unjustly, and I was so angry about it. I think I cried for about 3 days. Another time someone said something nasty to me walking down the street, and I couldn’t believe that she could be so rude. I later walked past the same woman again, and realised that she was obviously mentally ill and quite possibly hurling abuse at lots of people, and this made me feel better, and a bit silly for getting so angry about it the first time.

    I would love to have a thicker skin, but I think the only way I could do that would be to be dishonest with myself. I would have to tell myself that I don’t feel a particular way, when in reality I did. So I think in the end it’s probably better to work through the emotions, as well as aiming to keep some healthy perspective about all the good things I have in my life as well.

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  26. KateA

    I think if you write an opinion piece, then it would be less interesting to have entirely positive feedback. It’s actually quite boring when everyone’s a sycophant. I appreciate measured, intelligent criticism – it makes both sides reevaluate their opinions. That said, personal criticism is inappropriate, and obscenities and threats are the domain of the ignorant fool.
    I wish people wouldn’t get hurt so often – its OK to have a strong opinion and to defend it robustly. In the world of rubbishy internet blogs/’news’ sites, your critical audience may be the key to improving your site.

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    • Mia

      Totally agree. Just like at a dinner party it’s dull if everyone is in wild agreement. You need a grain of sand in the oyster to make a pearl etc.

      But abuse is different. Putting a grenade in the oyster doesn’t make anything but a mess……

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      • KateA

        Yes, very true. Abuse is rarely rational (or even coherent) and doesn’t add anything useful to a discussion. If the best retort available is ‘you’re an idiot’, it’s likely that your argument lacks substance or validity ..!

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    • Lu

      Absolutely! And hearing someone elses point of view, when expressed politely and calmly, can also be beneficial as it can open your mind to an issue you may not have considered before. I know that has happened to me, it stopped me in my tracks and made me actually change my mind. I like to learn from other peoples opinions. It makes me worry when people are defensive about their views and dont consider other ideas, because nothing is black and white and nobody has all the answers or is perfect.

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  27. lauren91

    Years of bullying and attending an all girl school has made my skin thicker. I wouldn’t say it’s ‘leather’ thick, but I think I’ve learned what to take to heart and what’s not worth worrying about.

    Having said that, ‘sticks and stones…’ is good in theory, but we’re all human, sometimes words hurt. How you handle it is up to you.

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  28. Justme

    My skin is tissue paper thin and I hate it! I have worked in media for over 15 years and it’s a pretty crappy industry for people feeling like they have a free-for-all on criticising what you do. The thing I find the hardest, is when you are doing something for a positive reason and you’ve worked your ass off to do it…and then someone sends you a bullshit email to pick it to pieces…makes me want to cry! Even if 100 people have told me previously how happy they are… I just wish those who choose to criticise first considered the reason they are (making themselves feel better – most of the time!) before giving grief to some poor person who is just trying their best.

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  29. katehunter

    I have a very thick skin. It comes from years of writing ads – I’m used to people thinking much what I write is rubbish. The only time I get frustrated is when I feel I’ve been misunderstood – and I always wonder if it’s because my writing was poor. I rarely take offence, especially in online barnies with anonymous commenters.

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  30. HF

    I work in a job where I sometimes have to deal with very rude drunk people (nightclub manager). For the most part people are great, but there’s always one person that is difficult no matter what.

    For example last night someone asked to do something that I just couldn’t let them do (they wanted to be let in for free because they had no money…). When I wouldn’t back down I was told I was a ‘horrible person’. It’s hard to hear this when I was actually as nice as I could be, and also because well- I’m not a horrible person. I’m pretty reasonable when it comes to work but sometime you just have to do your job in a way that may not always seem ‘fair’ to others (why someone would feel they deserve a free ride is another story altogether).

    Over time these things hurt less- but every so often one gets under my skin and it really does hurt. It makes me wonder why I bother, perhaps I should just join the assholes!

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  31. Just in case you think the trolls always get away with their bad behaviour, there has been an interesting case in the Atheist community recently where a serial troll/spammer was arrested in Montreal for making repeated death threats…

    http://skeptools.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/case-study-notorious-spammer-brought-down-twitter-tumblr-social-media-mabus/

    It’s a long but very interesting story where the identity of the troll was eventually tracked down using various social media, especially Twitter.

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  32. lacer

    My skin is extremely thin. I don’t know how you cope Mia, although I’m glad you do. That’s why I’m not a writer and why I sometimes refrain from commenting.

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  33. missamoo

    My skin is extremely thin unfortunately some how people seem to think it is not and in recent times i have taken to showing that it is not so thick and the reaction has been far from pleasant. Not sure what to do about it tried therapy didn’t stick and so i keep plugging away. Must must must get my old confidence back some how any suggestion would be very very very welcome x

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    • rainbow

      try to remember that the people that love you and have your interests at heart are who matter, their opinion is worth listening to, everyone else is not worth worrying about.

      there is a saying that says that much more elegantly but i can’t remember it.

      also, read about mindfulness, always keeping your head and thoughts in the moment, not in the past or future, you need to train yourself to not go over things again and again.

      best wishes

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    • Mia

      Missamoo, I have always tried to remind myself that when someone has a strong reaction to something you say, it’s about them not you.
      Not always possible to shrug it off but try to remind yourself of that…..you can’t change how they feel but you CAN decide whether to take it on board or not….

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    • picardie.girl

      Missamoo, please see below for my comment to edlie. I will try to find the sheet of tips to improve your resilience because they really do help xx

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  34. Gilgamesh not Gargamel

    Perhaps I should have chosen Gargamel as my online construct…

    “I am not obsessed with Smurfs, thank you, I simply can’t stop thinking about these little blue beasts every single moment of every single day!… But I need them! It’s only by capturing the little munchkins and extracting their happy blue essence that my magic will finally become… not infallible…”
    Gargamel

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  35. Fi

    I think Mia hit the metaphoric “nail on the head” with her comments “Did they kick their dogs? Punch holes in their bedroom walls? Pull the wings off flies? Were they road ragers?”. So many people are angry, and in so much pain on the inside (for whatever their personal reason maybe). If they offload just some of their pain and frustration, whether it be on a poor defenceless dog or an on-line journalist, then their own pain is lessened by just a little ! But what of the poor defenceless dog, or the thin-skinned journo – well it can’t be taken personally because it is not about them …………..

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    • Anonymous

      Maybe it is just perspective, and what side of the fence you sit on. Only a couple of days ago MMs own Bec Sparrow was yelling ‘Bite Me’, and telling a doctor that he must be on crack for saying what he did. Did she kick her dog before finding a home on MM?

      Someone’s terrorist is anothers freedom fighter hey.

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      • becsparrow

        Hi Anonymous
        First off, I think it’s a long stretch to say my headline was “yelling”. It wasn’t in caps. Also, the line “are you on crack?” was a joke which I later deleted (since my intention wasn’t to be rude more to make my point).

        I see a huge difference between what I wrote and the people who write to me anonymously (of course — always anonymous) and say, “You’re a stupid bitch” or “I wish I could kick your head in”.

        I stand by every comment and sentiment I wrote in that post to Dr Walters, which is why I put my name to it. And I would comfortably say all those sentiments to his face.

        Thanks for your feedback though.

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        • Anonymous

          Hey, I was simply responding to Fi’s (and Mia’s) observation on angry posts, and making a point that it depends on your perspective, as I have been called a troll and had posts deleted from here before for less than your tone and language in that post on the Dr. I was not having a go at you Bec, just using a recent example.

          I stand by my observation. I was not saying you should not have said those things necessarily, just that there is a double standard in here (depending on what side of the fence you sit on) and that such langauge does not necessarily make you a troll, much less someone that kicks dogs. Maybe we all need thicker skin Bec – if you dish it you have to take it.

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          • Jane

            Anonymous, you might be brave enough to “stand by your observation”, but you’re clearly not prepared to put your name to it as well!!! Sure, you might not have liked what Bec wrote about the Dr or agreed with her point of view – which is fine – each to their own – but at least Bec’s willing to stand by her opinion, brave and humble enough to admit when she’s wrong AND put her name to each and every post or comment!

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            • Anonymous

              I tell you what Jane, you put forward your entire name and suburb, and I will do the same… Read my points further down here re this, most on here do not put their entire legal name against a post (yourself inclued), so dont point fingers at me. Exactly my point. If I worked for MM, I would be happy to do so, it isnt that I am hiding behind anything, sheeesh

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            • bowerbird

              Anonymous, I accept your point, but I also notice you say “Read my points further down here….”. Often there are (or appear to be) a number of different anonymouses. It can be pretty hard to tell which points belong to who, which then also makes it hard to have a conversation.

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            • Anonymous

              I will give you a hand, all the intelligent and logical ones are always mine ;-)

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            • essessesse

              And here we have the reason that ‘anonymous’ has problems. The rest of us can’t reply to you. It’s a one off post. Drop and run.

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            • Anonymous

              You what now? Please enlighten me how I managed to ‘drop and run’, I am intrigued. I have this amazing power I didnt even know I had. wow, amazing the theories that emerge from simply not typing a silly nic name or my first name into a box.

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            • dfordezi

              Anonymous is not the same as first or nickname, purely because there are so many who use that non-name. If you at least use a non-de-plume (sp?) then we can get to know your personality, opinions, etc and get to know you better as a commenter. I don’t understand why you want to remain unknown always and confused with others who troll for fun. Just my opinion…;)

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            • Symbol (formally known as Anon)

              ok, due to popular demand, I have created a name for my posts. You can all sleep easier.

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            • redballoon

              Naaah, I’ll now know which posts to avoid reading. Thanks, symbol!

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            • Anonymous

              Sheeesh, love you too Red Balloon. Are you Trolling, or is it known as something else when you are on the ‘good side’ of the fight on MM.

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          • essessesse

            I’ve already said, it’s impossible to reply to posters who are anonymous because we don’t know who they are. It’s not as though I use my real name or picture but at least you can tell I’m the same person.

            Drop and run. That’s what a post from an anon. poster is for me because you can’t debate with them.

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        • carolynj

          I think it comes down to humour, to me that line was hilarious but I like that kind of thing.
          I also think people falling over on film is never not funny. Other people like toilet humour, I don’t.
          Also tone is so hard to convey in a written form, wording posts or (god forbid) emails so they don’t sound like I’m a snarky bitch is an art form which I’m still perfecting.

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          • Mia

            I think there’s a huge difference between “bite me” and “fuck you”…..

            I support Bec 100%.

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            • Anonymous

              For a start, I was not having a go at Bec, rather using an example as to how things are percieved based on what side they are coming from. And anyway, she removed both the ‘Bite Me’ line and the crack ‘joke’, so I guess not even she supported herself in the end re those, but still, it is an interesting case study into perceptions of offense based on who isdoing the talking hey.

              I have had posts deleted for much much less than a ‘fuck you’ Mia. It seems there is also an allowance for which side of an opinion you sit on in here. As I am often on another side to MM staff, I get judged way more hashly.

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      • Fi

        Sure both points about perspective and fence sitting are relevant, and people will always be entitled to their opinion. But these “trolls” that are being referred to are neither terrorist’s nor freedom fighters, as they state their opinions from behind a keyboard and would not vent their anger so much if they were in front of the person (as would a terrorist or freedom fighter who are action-oriented).

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        • D

          I think you’ve made some great points Anon-Symbol. It’s interesting how everyone is saying they love different opinions and that discussion would be boring if everyone agreed however that’s certainly not the impression I get when reading comments here. In a lot of situations, if someone dares to express an opinion that is different to the majority they get torn to pieces by the fun police or the resident bullies. This specially applies to topics on women’s rights and otherwise sensitive topics.

          The poster above, redballon, is a perfect example of this, she rarely contributes to discussion if she isn’t bullying someone for expressing an opinion that differs to the majority. I read this site fairly regularly and notice her name come up in this context time and time again. Just recently I saw that she called someone a fu*cken asshole, or something to that effect, just because they were going against the majority, and her comments were not deleted as she was supporting the popular opinion. It would be great if you guys had more consistency in regards to which comments you delete and which ones you leave up.

          Also, I think this site would be so much better if everyone felt free to post their opinion (of course in a respectful manner without abuse) and not have to defend themselves against bitter angry people (women?) who have convinced themselves that they are right and anyone who disagrees with them is wrong.

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          • redballoon

            I know, right?
            Women….

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          • Natasha

            Have to agree with you D

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          • Anonymous

            Thanks for your support D and others – it would be nice if it were a level playing field in here, and that the talk of respecting and seeking all view points was given more than just lip service in reality.

            RedBalloon (and others of similar tone), a comment can be made that is critical of a woman or some elements of feminism / gender politics without it being a personal attack on yourself or your entire gender.

            Balance and multiple viewpoints help us all grow. I know I have learnt lots from this site and everyones opinions, and have had my viewpoints changed on quite a few things. That is healthy, and that is why I come here. Hopefully I have also given others pause for thought at times. Would be boring here without that.

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          • Natasha

            Redballoons tends to fire up quite easily when she does not agree. She just needs to relax take a breath and calm down with a cup of tea.

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            • Jessica

              Yep, I agree Natasha.

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            • alix

              I’d like to direct you to the mamamia article on gaslighting.
              You are being a bully.

              (and redballoon doesn’t seem at all fired up to me)

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  36. SGG

    Mia, it’s like you reached into my brain today, saw what was troubling me, and decided to make me feel better.

    Also, your writing is the shiz. I’m glad you thrive on criticism if that’s what it causes.

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  37. La Petite Chou

    After years of commenting online I was thrown to the trolls for three torrid days earlier this year and for a while I was the most popular topic in town, even ousting Oprah and Obama.

    My initial response was to stay quiet and let the whole thing blow over and I watched as the quieter, more measured, saner commenters began to add perspective and objectivity to the fire and invective.

    It didn’t stop many hostile and abusive emails from coming to me directly. There were death threats. Dire warnings about my imminent professional demise. Threats to report me for all sorts of transgressions. People called for my children to be removed from me.

    I expressly forbade my children to read my blog or the news articles involved. I give thanks every day that they were spared from the worst of it.

    I have tried to engage some of the more outspoken trolls in more rational debate, only to be told to stop harrassing them – yes, someone really did say that! One threatened legal action after I pasted a couple of links to answers I had given elsewhere in response to the very things he was accusing me of! FitzSimons is right – they don’t like it when you step in front of them and quietly say, “I’m here and I’m listening.”

    People expect to be heard, that’s what I’ve learnt. This age of entitlement, combined with internet access gives everyone the right to their opinion, but so many have failed to learn boundaries even though they request it of those they go after.

    I have significantly changed from that time on. These days, I don’t try to justify myself to each and every person who behaves as a troll, but I do try to live my life as if every day I am being watched. I simply assume that people are watching. Watching what I do, say, my appearance, my personal life. Trolls don’t draw any boundaries, so I try to keep a lid on as much of my life as I can. It’s a 24/7 state of being. I’ve censored much of what I would have said in the past. I don’t share as readily. I don’t step into the fray. I keep my own counsel.

    Slowly, I am growing a hide as thick as an elephant’s arse. It enables me to keep going, even though I know it will happen again. It’s the nature of the beast.

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    • Sammi

      Wow, that sounds horrendous. I completely understand you keeping your identity private here, but I cant help but wonder who you are :) Whoever you are, I send you a virtual hug. Don’t give the haters too much power :)

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    • missamoo

      I was reminded of a saying the other day ( not being very sporty) “play the ball not the person” I wish when people commented they made their response about your opinion and not about you as a person. I grew up in a turbulent house hold and one thing i learned along the way is his behaviour was what i hated not him. So i guess i’m saying i hope you keep putting your opinions out there and that people disagree with your opinions and not rain abuse down on your person

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      • jo

        I love this comment (also not very sporty so it’s new to me but really a great metaphor)

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    • danyawellington

      Dear heart we can become bullet proof together xxx

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      • La Petite Chou

        We can be bullet-proof red-heads together. x

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        • bowerbird

          I could almost pity any trolls that are foolish enough to take on the pair of you. Almost.

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    • Mia

      Beautifully said LPC…. Xxxx

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    • Free

      I was so saddened and shocked to see what you went through, but so glad when John Birmingham came to your defence. I hope you realise how many of us were/are on your side and completely behind what you’re doing with your blog and the way you’ve conducted yourself. Keep going — you’ve made lemonade out of lemons and what more can you ask for from life?

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  38. Mrs Woog

    I have not had to put up with much social media trolling but I see it go on and it is just so hilarious! I mean half the time the arguments make no sense. I have deleted some nasty comments from my site before, because it it my personal site and I do not want it messed up with filth. Also I have disqus so I will email something back with a big kiss xxxx

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    • Rick Morton

      You’d be the worst person to troll! I wouldn’t mess with Woog…

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  39. Lana

    I am thin skinned online, paper thin but learning to coat myself with contact by realising that the people who “troll” me or are abusive or rude to me online really don’t know me at all and it is usually there own issues that they are reflecting on.

    I have also learned (and firmly believe) that if you put out positive you get positive back. As soon as you are angry or hostile online you get it right back to you.

    I am perfecting the online thing, secure in the knowledge that the people abusing me online don’t know anything about me. In real life though I am cling wrap thin – I think it’s a result of trying to please all the time.

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    • Mrs Woog

      I think you are wonderful xx

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      • Lana

        Aw thank you Mrs Woog, you see I think much the same about you xxxx

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    • Oh, and welcome back Lana! :)

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      • Mia

        She’s not back. She’s illegally online while on holidays…..!

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    • carolynj

      I liked you and your coloured jeans until you went to NY and I didn’t.

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  40. SusieQ

    If you aren’t willing to own your criticism by putting your name to it, then you forfeit all credibility.

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    • Anonymous

      I take it then your true name as per your birth certificate is SusieQ? If not, please let me know your true name, or else ‘you ain’t owning it’.

      Pretty silly logic really isnt it. Look at most of the names on here. They are hardly bona fide legal names huh.

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      • Lemmington

        No, it’s not my real name, but I consistently comment under the same name. At least two implications:
        1. People can distinguish one anonymous contributor from another.
        2. People still get to ‘know’ me and will know that when I comment I’m not just being inflammatory in what I say, but am really here and willing to engage.

        That’s why I much prefer people don’t just comment as anonymous. But each to their own.

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        • essessesse

          Exactly. It’s hard to have a continued discussion with ‘anonymous’ when there are so many of them.

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        • Anonymous

          ‘Each to their own’ is a bit more palatable than ‘forfeit all credibility’, lets just agree to disagree then

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  41. fender4eva

    Way back when, Gigdiary and I, were regular commenters on this site. Gig in particular, had pretty strong opinions about most things. As always, there were people ready to jump on him, and get stuck into him. Sometimes, I copped some vitriol as well. Frankly, I can’t be bothered anymore, so I tend just to read the occasional item that interests me, and leave the bitching to those who seem to enjoy baiting others……

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    • Fender, I hope you take this is the manner I mean this comment to be – and that is some constructive criticism…I’m not a veteran MM reader like you, but what I do notice about some of your comments is that they can be slightly inflammatory…I’m not talking about your opinions…but the way you express them…

      I think this comment of yours is a good example…I think you make a good point, but then you finish the comment with this: “and leave the bitching to those who seem to enjoy baiting others” – which is slightly disparaging to the discussions we have on MM…

      When you make statements like this in a comment, I’m not surprised that some people get stuck into you. I’ve noticed this in a few of your comments…sometimes you seem to express yourself with some ill-chosen words…

      Again…I’ve posted this comment as some constructive criticism…I’m truly not having a go at you…in fact, I’d really like you to participate more…
      :)

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      • fender4eva

        John, I take your point. By bitching, I meant those who complain about just about everything that’s published here. In other words, the *professional complainers*. Yes I have been trolled, probably because I call a spade a spade, and that upsets the sensibilities of some people. Well, so be it. With me, WYSIWYG. I think both you and Bradley, do a very good job of balancing the conversations, but it’s unlikely I’ll be joining in….. :-)

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        • Thanks Fender…

          I think Bradley and I are an interesting case. Although Bradley doesn’t use his full name, at least I know who I am talking to when we’re having discussions on MM…we know each other and can argue with each other withoiut going too far…at least most of the time.

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          • You can call me Susan

            I agree with you! I look out for you boys and follow your comments with interest! I think I have actually mentioned this before….. I love the whole conversation line that happens – and, it’s not ‘anonymous’!!

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        • kerrisackville

          Keep commenting Fendi. EVERYWHERE. You are the wind beneath my wings. Well, some of the wind, anyway. A lot of it. A big strong gust xxxxxx

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          • fender4eva

            Kerri darling, if anyone can get around me, it’s you….. ;-) and thank you for your kind comment…..

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    • Mrs Woog

      You are my guru xx

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    • bowerbird

      I miss your contributions fend. And this is an interesting comment, because I recall more than one moderately vigorous debate that I’ve had with Gigdiary. But I always interpreted it as just that – a debate. I would never have said I was getting stuck into him. There’s always the possibility that different people interpret things differently though.

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      • fender4eva

        Hi, bowerbird. Thanks for your comment ! :-) You and Gig DID have some interesting exchanges, but regrettably there are others, who would use this forum as a way of venting their nastiness on others. I know the moderators do a good job of smacking down the worst offenders, but they can’t be everywhere, at once. If the subject warrants it, no doubt I will pop up, from time to time……. ;-)

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  42. Caitlin

    I think the biggest danger, mental health-wise, of having paper skin is the tendency to generalise negative feedback. It can very easily lead to the assumption that “if they think that, imagine all the people who think it and don’t say it!” And unfortunately we usually only apply that to the negative!

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  43. Miss

    I think this complete disregard for the feelings and dignity of others is a growing trend. I’m a high school teacher and, my word, it has taught me to grow a thick skin.

    I’m actually moderately ‘popular’ with the kids, to the point that I am never (and I mean never) without at least 3 of the tagging along after me at any point in the school day. However, that does not mean that I don’t cop abuse. If you had told me, during my days at uni (not so long ago, less than five years) that on a daily basis I would be called words like ‘fat’, ‘ugly’, ‘retard’,”d*ke’, ‘c*nt’, ‘sl*t’, I probably would have considered you crazy.

    I’m not trying to have a whinge about my job, which I love passionately, but it worries me that when most parents are informed about these things that their children say, they often follow up with a few choice words of their own, a threat against my life, or a torrent of abuse about how I’m ‘picking’ on their child.

    I felt positively sick when Mia was so vehemently strung out to dry following the Cadel issue, but sadly, I wasn’t surprised. At all.

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    • Flowers in the spring

      I’ve taught at several different schools and found the level of abuse greatly varies according to the consequences students experience for their actions. Parenting is a hugely significant factor. Parents who support the school and the idea of education in general rarely have children who are abusive. Parents who are abusive towards staff frequently have children who do likewise.

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  44. Igor

    This reminds me of a similar issue when it comes to online games and a classic comic from the guys at Penny Arcade:
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/19/
    (warning: language!)
    The “anonymity” the internet supposedly provides, seems to give a false sense of security to people, which leads them to think they can get away with anything when they make a comment on the internet.

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  45. Anonymous

    Hard to read this article with those damn handbags zooming past! Very annoying!

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    • Exhibit A…

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      • Not a troll

        What’s that supposed to mean?

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    • Anonymous

      Just noticed that they have stopped now, thank goodness!

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    • Anonymous

      ad blocker!!!!

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  46. Lu

    I find the people I know who are the most sensitive to the words and actions of others are the least aware of how their own words or actions are very offensive! I have a friend who is constantly offended by others and always saying how sensitive she is, yet her words can cut to the bone and shes not even aware of it;)

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  47. carolynj

    I work in the film industry.
    A layer of thick skin in public and a nice quiet cry in the car on the way home.

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    • Anonymous

      Is it still legal to cry and drive?

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    • missamoo

      I laughed so hard i am in theatre. I’m a performer spent my life being judged. So this comment completely sings to me thanks and know there is at least one other person crying in her car or under the doona as well

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      • carolynj

        I used to be in the theatre so have the crying on the inside down pat.

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  48. loves2bake

    I had to take a break from this site a little while ago because I found that the reactions of some people to comments I had made had left me quite stressed and upset. In my experience the far more common problem is people who disagree but have no thought about HOW they have written their response (or maybe they have and they just don’t care – which is worse). I always endeavour to remain respectful and focus on the points being made rather than the person who made them, and strive not to make assumptions that are unwarranted, so it really upsets me when someone fires back something that is akin to a slap across the face. Some people just seem to be horrible regardless of the topic and I must admit that I am glad that I don’t know them in real life. I do remember how shocked I was the first time I saw how bad it can get on some of these forums.

    I tend to have really thin skin but what I have found (and why I keep being involved here) is that these discussions have helped me to really clarify how I feel about certain issues, and I’ve been challenged on others. And by doing that I have found that my skin is slowly thickening because I feel more confident to stand by my ideas and opinions. But sometimes I do have to force myself to use my chosen name, and very occasionally I succumb to the comfort of anonymity.

    I know some people say that if you can’t handle the heat you should jump out of the fire, but if all of us thin-skinned ones did that it would just limit the broad range of perspectives we see here. I do wish people would be respectful first and foremost, though.

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    • BatGirl

      Well said. I have decided to only comment on the more ‘fluffy’ pieces on this site as I felt like I had been stabbed by an invisible force when I last commented (simply expressing my opinion) on a contentious issue. I think it is the unseen and unknown entity online that makes it hard to deal with.

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    • lacer

      It wasn’t always like this. It’s like a nasty force has slowly crept in.

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    • Blaser

      I had to have a break too… it really felt like I was being attacked (even after saying something positive) and I was so upset with people being so picky with certain words used rather than the intent and context they were being used in.

      There was definitely no benefit of the doubt.

      However, it was one person vs. so many other people so I wasn’t going to give it more attention than it deserved. But I really shouldn’t have withdrawn then? Hmmm…

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    • picardie.girl

      I could almost have written this myself. xx

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  49. WillaWay

    Sometimes there’s a fine line between criticism and “abuse”. For example, there’s a fair bit of quite exclamation-laden criticism of people/groups with different opinions/politics/orientation to social issues than the Mamamia editorial crew on this site. Sure, the criticism has a by-line, but it’s still excited & encouraging excitement, even if it never goes over the line to vitriolic. And some of it is directed at the personal characteristics/motivations of people/groups. And I would say sometimes that is warranted, if you are pointing out hypocrisy, or malevolence, or destructive motives that contribute to negative outcomes.

    If you run an on-line blog running pieces that are sometimes provocative, you should probably expect knee-jerk responses when people are actually provoked. And any forum where people can express their true beliefs, without fear of being sacked or not being allowed to join that parents group at school, or even just getting on with your crusty neighbour, is going to attract anonymous contributions. I actually think that’s valuable, in terms of a discussion, because in Australia politics and social issues are often verboten topics at gatherings and people can be intolerant of different opinions. i.e., if you don’t agree, you won’t be invited next time.

    True trolling, obviously, is not great. But surely easy to shrug off because it’s so silly? If it doesn’t involve threats. I would think it’s the criticism that is maybe slightly too harsh or ill-expressed, but probably valid or thought-provoking, that would be most troubling to the think-skinned. That said, it is nice to visit the mamamia site where comments deemed too rude are deleted (yes, I believe one of mine about Fred Nile was deleted…..), because otherwise there’s too much mindless ugliness to make the comments worth having a look at.

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  50. Bo

    I’ve been called a “troll” on here before because I disagreed with something someone had said. I found it pretty funny.

    I think *some* MM users are so quick to jump to “TROLL!” just if someone has a differing view. In my opinion, that doesn’t constitute a troll. I think the true trolls on this site are pretty few and far between.

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    • Anonymous

      Agree on all counts Bo. Are you Trolling now?

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    • For me, the difference is the tone of the comment. I’ve noticed that some people on MM seem to make comments in a way that are (deliberately?) accusatory…or contain overt sarcasm…

      For example, I could have replied to you comment by saying “That is so typical of you troll-excusers. No wonder we never have any decent discussion on this site.” …that would be trolling…

      I agree with you that MM doesn’t have too many trolls…but then again MM doesn’t suffer trolls…the true trolls are usually dealt with pretty quickly both my MM staff and the MM community in general…

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      • Hi

        What is a troll? Can someone please explain (not a big blog reader)?

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        • From Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

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