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By JAMILA RIZVI

Anne-Marie Slaughter is the kind of woman I have always aspired to be. She’s had a phenomenal career: from Dean of the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton to director of policy planning at the US State Department, working directly with Hillary Clinton. It’s the stuff my geeky political West Wing-esque dreams are made of.

Slaughter has a husband whom she loves and who loves her in return. She has raised two sons. She’s well respected in her community and is widely reported to be kind and funny and be nurturing of young female talent.

So when a woman with those sort of swoon-worthy credentials says that she’s been selling women of my generation a bullshit line and that we can’t actually have it all – I was just a little bit gutted.

Slaughter has penned an essay for American magazine The Atlantic that is set to be one of the most shared articles in history. (Clocking in at a little over 12,000 words, it is by no means an easy or light read but it justifies the time if you have it.) In it she explains her decision to quit the world of politics and policy in order to spend more time with her family.

In the essay Slaughter says:

I routinely got reactions from other women my age or older that ranged from disappointed (“It’s such a pity that you had to leave Washington”) to condescending (“I wouldn’t generalize from your experience. I’ve never had to compromise, and my kids turned out great”).

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Anne-Marie Slaughter

The first set of reactions, with the underlying assumption that my choice was somehow sad or unfortunate, was irksome enough. But it was the second set of reactions—those implying that my parenting and/or my commitment to my profession were somehow substandard—that triggered a blind fury.

Suddenly, finally, the penny dropped. All my life, I’d been on the other side of this exchange. I’d been the woman smiling the faintly superior smile while another woman told me she had decided to take some time out or pursue a less competitive career track so that she could spend more time with her family…

Ouch. Cue glass shattering around me. You see, I do that.

I’m one of those women who is all smiles and nods and is fiercely supportive of my friends’ choices to pull back from their previously career-driven lifestyles to have children. But I’m judging them. There is a small part of me that is smugly assuring myself that I’ll be different, I’ll strike that perfect balance and I won’t ever compromise the things I want to achieve, in order to have a family. Nor will I give up the perfect husband, two kids, a puppy and a white picket fence dream (actually no fence, don’t like fences).

Now, just a second, hold your smirks – I know that’s what you’re doing, I can feel it. When I talk this way, my own mother gets this knowing look behind her eyes and I bet she’s thinking “at least it’s going to be a little bit fun saying ‘I told you so’ when it all goes to shit for my absurdly naive eldest daughter.”

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Virginia Haussegger

The debate about women ‘having it all’ is not new. And the debate about what ‘all’ actually is – isn’t new either.

I recall nodding along to every chapter of Virginia Haussegger’s great book “Wonder Woman – the myth of having it all’ and thinking “gosh I’m lucky to live in a generation where I know all about biological clocks. I’ll make sure not to forget about those.”

But what really makes the Atlantic essay so remarkable and why it resonated with me, is Slaughter’s admission that she felt extreme pressure to pretend she was coping (when she wasn’t) because she didn’t want to let down the sisterhood.

Slaughter says:

“Women of my generation have clung to the feminist credo we were raised with, even as our ranks have been steadily thinned by unresolvable tensions between family and career, because we are determined not to drop the flag for the next generation…

I’d been the one telling young women at my lectures that you can have it all and do it all, regardless of what field you are in. Which means I’d been part, albeit unwittingly, of making millions of women feel that they are to blame if they cannot manage to rise up the ladder as fast as men and also have a family and an active home life (and be thin and beautiful to boot).

Reading that, it’s hard not to wonder, if Slaughter can’t have it all, how the hell can I?

But having had a moment longer to dwell on the issue, I don’t think outrage and despair are necessarily the next logical steps in the thought process.

I ask you, what is wrong with having something to aspire to? We’re all madly pursuing happiness in our lives, right? I know I am. I cannot imagine I will ever get to a point in my life, where I can stand back and survey the scenery and conclude – yep, happiness achieved. Box ticked. Well done me. But that doesn’t mean happiness is not a valid aim. And that doesn’t mean I can’t try.

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Lauren Jackson, basketballer

Slaughter says we’re setting girls and young women up to fail. I’m not so sure that we are. I think we’re setting them up to dream big and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

The problems come when we airbrush reality to the point where women assume that the ‘dream’ is actually the norm. So when they don’t achieve it, they assume they’ve failed. And that is something that needs to change.

As women, we have a tendency to want to show our best selves. We brush over how difficult elements of life can really be. We don’t talk about the hard parts. When someone asks me how I am, I will unfailingly respond with “I’m great, you?” Even when I’m not great. Even when I’m drowning.

I don’t think having it ‘all’ is possible. But that doesn’t make the phrase defunct. It makes it an aspiration rather than a reality. And it’s an aspiration I’m going to chase as hard and as fast as I can.

I just hope I’ve got honest women like Anne-Marie Slaughter around me, when I inevitably don’t quite get there.

Women who will pick me up, dust me off and feed me wine.

Women who will admit that they too are not perfect.

And that it’s okay that I’m not either.

Do you think that women can ‘have it all’? Have you experienced times in your life where you’ve had to choose to prioritise your career over your family, or vice versa?

 

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  1. Anon.

    Can you have it all? You already do. All the rest is just fluff.

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  2. Jash

    I think it probably comes down to how well you can switch off, when crossing from the working world into family life each day, and vice versa. If you can be really strict about not letting one encroach on the other, as we women are entitled to enjoy both, maybe that is the key to ‘having it all.’

    Practicalities such as work hours and geographical distances seem to be the things that mess it all up and those are the things we women need to pressure employers to be more flexible about. Also, working couples need to start treating the outsourcing of household labour as just another expense, like utilities. A lot of my working girlfriends haven’t even considered paying someone to take care of the housey stuff, let alone getting their hubbies to help so no wonder they always look exhausted! They would probably claim it would take too much of their salary but this is why it needs to be acknowledged as an ordinary, necessary household expense plus they’d be free to earn more if they were liberated from the domestic pressures. A lot of women I know fall for the ’30 hour per week myth’, where they work less than full-time to be around for the family yet then inherit all the house stuff and end up working more than a 38 hour week. House-cleaner, ironing, ready-made meals and after-school child care weighed up against a well-paid full-time job work out much better by my calcs, allowing more time with the kids than working part-time. You also get equal status with the hubby which means a lot in the household divvy up of power.

    A girlfriend of mine just returned to full-time work after years of motherhood and runs between four different child carers who look after her son each week. Her hubby just goes to work and comes home each day, like he always did!

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  3. Alison

    I really do believe every woman needs to make a decision that is right for them and their family. It is just that when I was faced with full time work and the arrival of a second child I couldn’t reconcile the two because it meant I would literally not be with my children five days a week between 8.00am and 6.00pm and then they would then go to bed at 7.00pm. It always seemed to me to be a huge physical wrench not to be with them. Does anyone else experience the same and to the extent it stops them from working full time? I read the full article by Anne-marie Slaugher and she did write about this feeling, quoting below from the original article

    “Many factors determine this choice, of course. Men are still socialized to believe that their primary family obligation is to be the breadwinner; women, to believe that their primary family obligation is to be the caregiver. But it may be more than that. When I described the choice between my children and my job to Senator Jeanne Shaheen, she said exactly what I felt: “There’s really no choice.” She wasn’t referring to social expectations, but to a maternal imperative felt so deeply that the “choice” is reflexive. ”

    The topic is such a fundamental question yet the existance of this overriding maternal need never really seems to be mentioned by anyone. I am always really puzzzled as to why and wonder if a) it is politically incorrect to admit to that being a motivating reason why a woman doesn’t pursue a career b) is it betraying the feminist movement to admit it exists, or c) is it that no mother actually experiences it not withstanding I definitely did and I am just an ordinary woman/mum?

    Am genuienly curious to hear what other women experienced and how it motivated decision making around childcare.

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  4. A-dubbs

    Fabulous post Jamila. And, for the record, I believe that having ‘it all’ means something different to everyone….

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  5. mj

    Great article! I think we can definitely have it all – and that we should teach our daughters that they can too. What we shouldn’t do is put pressure on ourselves to necessarily have it all at once. Or to think that your version of having it all has to be the same when you’re 20 as it is when you’re 35. As you grow and change, your ideas on what ‘it all’ is will surely change too. If you’d asked me at 20 what having it all would be, there is no way in a million years I would have described the life I have now. But when I look at my life now, I do have it all. My version. And I couldn’t be happier! http://bumpyroadtobubba.com/aboutme/

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  6. Emma Grey

    Love your article, Jamila.

    I think it’s important to know that when you choose both career and family, each will have an impact on the other. There’s no getting around that. Also, your career path and the pace of development may look slightly (or radically) different from the one you envisaged pre-kids – and that’s okay – there isn’t one ‘right path’ for us, I don’t think, but many exciting options.

    It’s then down to putting in place the ‘scaffolding’ that is needed to support the best outcomes for work-and-family: your physical and emotional health, good childcare, flexible work arrangements, supportive spouse and/or family/friends (the ‘village’ that will help you), fair division of labour at home and time to develop your personal interests outside both career and family (as this is what is most often sacrificed).

    All of that is possible – it just takes constant tweaking, assertiveness and a bit of ‘strategic thinking’. I think you are ideally placed in your current line of work to have flexibility – much better placed than lots of women in other job roles.

    I ran a seminar on work-life balance yesterday and met a woman from a top law firm, who said one of the female partners had been working part-time (3 days a week) for over a year before any of her clients realised. It can be done. It’s complex, but possible!

    http://www.worklifebliss.com.au

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  7. Jolie

    Having it all depends entirely on what kind of parent you want to be. If you want your kids to be brought up by a nanny or an institution (full-time childcare) then you can have the freedom to have any kind of career you want. If you want to bring up your kids yourself then you need to spend time with them. There is no way around it.

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  8. FiFiLaRou

    This is such an interesting topic and reminds me why I started coming to MamaMia in the first place. More of this kind of stuff please!

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  9. Jen

    I suppose. I “have it all.”

    I have a fulfilling well paid career, a loving husband, three great kids and I am doing advanced musical studies. My mortgage is almost paid off.

    I also have a supportive partner and a cleaner.

    I don’t have much spare time, i dont sleep much and I don’t get to do as much exercise as I would like.

    But overall I feel pretty damn blessed.

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  10. Lydia

    I’m not known to comment on these articles but Jamila, I felt the need to tell you that I love your posts. You are a wonderful writer – relatable, endearing, intelligent and hilarious! Keep up the good work!

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  11. Seahorse

    The problem isn’t having a goal. The problem is having a bunch of mutually exclusive goals. The problem with the “having it all” mentality is kidding yourself about the requirements to meet a series of goals.

    Wouldn’t it be better to really succeed at one goal than compromise on a bunch of them?

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  12. Jess

    I’m 19 and I’ve got big dreams for the future, which involve both a successful career and hopefully children. I think looking at high profile women who seem to have to all can be quite deceiving, as we have no idea what their lives are like away from the tv, newspaper, Whitehouse etc etc. For all we know their lives behind their public facade could be complete s**t.
    I hoping to study medicine, and have dreams of being a full-time clinician, whilst also participating in research, and having a fulfilling family life. This might seem naive, but having spoken to numerous female doctors I honestly don’t think it is. My heroes and idles are not Hilary Clinton and Julia Gillard, not because they are not amazing women (because they certainly are), but because they bear little relevance to my future career. My idles are the women (and men) I’ve met throughout my life: doctors, nurses, scientists, researchers. And having spoken to people one on one, I’ve released that I can have it all. Sure I’ll be stressed and tired at times (so yes, maybe I won’t have it ALL) but I’m sure I can have a balanced life.
    Having said all that, I’m yet to experience anything, so it could all be bulls**t, but you know what? There’s nothing wrong with dreaming big.

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  13. cher

    In a recent conversation with a uni friend, we were talking about how stressed we were 20 years ago back in our uni days… then we burst into (slightly hysterical) laughter.

    Back then we were certain we could have it all. Now as we juggle full time work and kids, we know what we’ve had to sacrifice (sleep, sanity) to ‘have it all’.

    Ahh, I wish we’d known then what we know now. It probably wouldn’t haven’t changed the decisions we made, but we could have appreciated our ‘stressful’ lives!

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  14. Anonymous

    I think you can have it all, but not at the same time.

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    • anon

      You should read the original article. She discusses the delusion of thinking you can have it all just not at the same time.

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  15. vegas

    If having it all means having a family and a career that’s very demanding in terms of hours, then I don’t think it matters if you’re a woman or a man. If you have a job that requires you to travel frequently, or work super long hours, you will have to have less time with your kids, whether you’re their Dad or Mum. The thing is that men have not traditionally been the caregivers, so maybe they’re a little less wired to feel like crap about not seeing their kids every morning and every night? And maybe they’re less likely to be judged by people for returning to work. I’ve had people kind of look sideways at me because I’ve worked full time since my daughter was 18 months – went back part time when she was 9 months and picked up the hours til I was back full time. No one ever asked my husband how he managed full time work and enough time with his baby. My compromise at the moment is to stay in my current job, which I’m a little bored in, because it’s close to home and has flexible hours. Down the track when my daughter is at school I will feel more able to take a job that requires a longer commute or a commitment to a longer working day. Right now I’ll suck up the occasional boredom because it gives me about 2 hours more with my little girl each day. I will re prioritise my career down the track, so in a way I will have it all, but maybe not everything at once.

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    • Katia

      Hearing ya Vegas – until men have this very same conversation – then we have not reached equality.

      You can bet noone is asking my husband as he attends his 4 day conference in Bangkok “what happens with the kids while you’re travelling”?
      A question I am often asked while working away.

      If a child has 2 parents then both are equally responsible for ensuring that the entire family feels as though they “have it all” (whatever that may mean for that particular family)

      This is not a female/womens/mothers issue!

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  16. Kylie2

    I “have it all”
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    I work full time, am happily married, have two fabulous, happy & healthy kids. I make it to the gym a few times a week and have a lovely clean home.
    The things that have made this possible for me are;
    1. A husband who pulls his weight at home
    2. Parents who are supportive and have been happy to help with some child care.We’ve mortgaged ourselves to the hilt to live close to them!
    3. A cleaner
    4. Being super organised
    5. Amazing managers, most of whom have been working mums themselves.
    6. Flexible employers (I worked part time for many years while my kids were little and now work from home one day a week)

    I know I’m very lucky and I’m hoping that more and more women will be as lucky as me. Hopefully my good fortune will start to be the norm for future generations of mums.

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    • georgieandthree

      If you & your family are happy, that’s great and what matters in the end :)

      However you did mention you’d mortgaged yourselves to the hilt – for some this would be a cause of stress and therefore could they really say they “had it all”? Everyone’s different.

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      • Kylie2

        I agree. The choices I’ve made would not be right for lots of people.

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  17. Guest

    I really believe I do have it all but as others have commented my “all” may not suit everyone. My husband and I had our checklist of priorities when we married. Live near the beach in a house with a good yard for our children and have enough time to enjoy it. Wouldn’t have been possible in Sydney but we decided to move south (quite a long way) and now live in our ideal. The compromises….? Further to visit family and our old friends, my husband has taken a 70% pay cut to work locally (but in my field there is a shortage here so i am earning more) and the school situation here is not ideal. But yes, I have it all. Everything on our wish list.

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  18. Loop

    I’m trying hard to have it all. It’s not an ideal situation.

    I’m studying full time, working as a freelancer, working part time for an outside employer, being a Mum, and sleeping. I get enough sleep most days (because I can’t do everything otherwise), but I often feel l’m failing people. In fact, that I’m failing everyone I have commitments to. I do a lot of stuff, but I don’t do most of it to the standards that I want to.

    Then the weekend comes and I don’t have a massive prioritised list of tasks that I have to race through … and I feel a little angry and depressed. I’m not used to doing nothing, I’m used to being distracted by all these bloody things to do. Ugh.

    So, yes, I’m with Ann-Marie Slaughter. Efficiency and skilled planning still doesn’t buy you more hours in the day. You just get sick of trying to do everything at breakneck speed. You can have some things at different stages of life, but not really sure about having it all.

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  19. Kirstin

    I just don’t think the point of feminism was ever that we could “have it all”. I don’t think anyone can have it all, real life just doesn’t work like that, it isn’t actually a thing. You will never reach a point in your life when you can look around you and go “yup, nothing left to aspire to”. For me, personally, the point of feminism was about letting women choose what they want to have and giving them every opportunity to try to make it happen. It comes up a lot on this site, people talking about how “feminists” are judging women for their choices, or how people are betraying the sisterhood. I just skip those articles now as I just don’t recognise anything that limits a woman’s choice as feminism.

    Sorry, I got a bit off topic at the end there.

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  20. Gin & Tonic

    I think “having it all” depends on your definition.

    Having it all to me is not working fulltime as a career mum, who has a partner who also has a full-on career. In my 20 years of working I have never seen a full time corporate career woman successfully juggle small children and working, unless their partner takes on the “mother” role and works in a more low key job.

    Someone has to be doing the stuff at home. We all could do it if we had Alice from the Brady Bunch living with us, but she doesnt exist.

    I feel like I have it all because I have finally found the right balance between working and being a mum. I do great work, earn great money, but still have days at home to do all the stuff that needs to be done. I also have plenty of time to be involved in the kids lives, but not too much time to be over involved.

    The trade off is the super career. My trajectory has been different to when I was childless, and I probably would be earning more money and have a higher level role by now if I hadnt taken the “mom track”, but life is a trade off and I would rather be where I am now than completely frazzled with no balance in my life.

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    • georgieandthree

      I agree. In my book, only one partner (or neither, but not both) should have a really demanding job/career, otherwise something ends up having to give.
      In my family, this is my partner; he got in first (we are both intelligent with university degrees and would have had approximately equal earning power at the start) because we had our first child at 20, when we’d just finished uni – I therefore never took those first steps to a high-powered career. He would need to downgrade his job for me to upgrade mine, and at this stage that doesn’t seem worthwhile.
      He can get called to work at any time and works long hours with some travel. If I did that as well, I don’t think our family would be prioritising the children’s needs.

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  21. Lindy

    I am in limbo land with this. At 32, with three little kid, I really cannot have it all… but i want it all.
    Am a primary school teacher and have worked part time between all my kids, really want to apply for Assistant Principal jobs… want a change from the classroom and really believe I could do the job well. But, there are NO part time AP jobs in exsistence! :,(
    I am due back at work for the new school year and have no idea what to do! I dont want to sacrifice missing my kids youngest years by working full time but really want to go for a promotion.
    Any ideas, or any principals out there interested in me? :) ))

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    • Anonymous

      Spend the time with your kids. You can be an AP in the future and will be an even better one for the experience.

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    • elle

      I know some teachers who have worked in ‘executive’ positions PT. They are not as high as AP but higher than a regular teacher. Some people job share these positions too.

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  22. Faybian

    I don’t think it’s actually bad or unusual to want it all,but the real trick I think, is to recognize your limits, prioritize your wants/needs, accept that for every achievement something has to be sacrificed and that you may get it all but probably not at one time.

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  23. Mum of 2

    Just one point (am about to go and feed the hordes)…

    Happiness is the journey, not the destination. You shouldn’t be looking to find a way to make yourself happy in the future – you should be looking at how you can be happy now (in your current circumstances without much changing). Go outside and take a deep breath feeling the breeze blowing your hair around your cheeks. Feel good? Happiness achieved then! Find some joys in the little things, rather than searching for some huge future thing – if you are always looking in the future rather than the present, you will never get there, and you will never ‘find happiness.

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    • junosmum

      Totally agree! I love this! Life is what happens to you when you’re busy making other plans. We women tend to set the bar too high and worry about what our lives look like on the outside. I personally like the phrase “women can have it all, just not all at the same time!” Anne-Marie shouldn’t look back on her career and regret anything or think that she has ‘failed the sisterhood’. She should, instead, hold her head high, be thankful for such a successful career and concentrate on enjoying her time with her family from now on.

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  24. Anna

    I have it all! I have a very successful full time career that I love, I love my kids and they’re very happy little people. I play with them all the time even though I work really long hours because I have bounds of energy. I have heaps of money and a fantastic marriage. I have a tight circle of friends and we always make time to catch up or play tennis together. I am super organised and feel I can take on the world!!!
    I just made all that up. Seriously though, life isn’t perfect and I don’t desire to have it all. I’m happy with the choices I’ve made most of the time. I struggle different components of my life at different times. I recently lost a dear friend far too young and since then I’ve had a different perspective on life. We all have our strengths and weakness and we all have differing priorities at different times. I don’t always agree with the choices other people make, but that’s their business so I try to keep my opinions to myself and focus on my own life. Fingers crossed it all turns out in the end.

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    • elle

      Lucky you made the first part up! I felt like hitting you with a tennis racquet! Lol

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  25. Al

    To me, “having it all” means having a smile on your face everyday & enjoying life.

    I’m proud to report that I currently “have it all”:)

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  26. Sue

    I think we need to look into the term ‘career’. I worked and travelled for 18 years before kids, now I’m home with my two beautiful girls. I feel that I had a series of jobs, that paid my bills, not a career. When the girls start school I will look for another job that will pay my bills and fit in with my life.

    Let’s be honest, some of us don’t have careers, we work to live the life we’ve built. Maybe it would be easier to create the life we want if we don’t have ‘careers’, that term makes working seem the most important thing in the world. Some people have great careers and get a lot of satisfaction from that, some mix jobs with travel, hobbies, sport, volunteering and, most importantly family.

    Does that make sense?

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    • Cordeline

      It makes a lot of sense! To me anyway!

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    • Dee of Adelaide

      I’d have to go to work to pay the bills anyway, so if I’m going to do it it may as well be at somewhere I like, doing things I’m passionate about, progressing and having my effort rewarded.

      I can see what you are saying conceptually and my career is only one part of ‘me’ but I don’t think it would work for me emotionally and mentally not to have a career.

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      • Jules

        I agree Dee. I find the bordeom of a job more stressful than the pressures of a career, even if the hours are shorter.

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    • ana

      i have sooo just come to the same conclusion. Happily though, I have found a job which pays the bills much better than ever, which I love and only takes me away from the ‘important things in life’ for a short while.

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  27. Miss Jean

    I once thought I could have it all. I now realise, 3 kids later, that I still can, just not all at the same time. I’m ok with that.

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  28. Cordeline

    Just as a little side story… I had dinner with my old boss last week. She is a fab woman and was very excited when I told her nearly 6 years ago that I was pregnant. I was terrified to tell her that I was at the time!

    She laughed the other night and said to me ‘I remember when you told me you were having a baby. You were absolutely certain that after 12 months, you would be back at full-time work and your baby would be daycare everyday’.

    She was laughing because I am still a SAHM (working part-time from home). She was laughing in a friendly and knowing way, because she had been there before herself and she knew that like with anything else in life, you don’t know what you don’t know.

    She knew that I had no idea how my life was about to change,

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  29. TKD

    We should listen to women like Mrs Slaughter; she’s been there and knows that trying to balance a family and a big career mean things get sacrificed. Every mother needs to make that choice (if it’s a choice) of what they are willing to sacrifice more. There are just not enough hours in the day, unless we can somehow work out a way to survive without sleep!
    Personally, time with your little kids, before they disappear into the world of full time school and friends wins hands down for me.

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  30. Boo

    The issue is not of taking young women’s dreams, but of helping them to actually plan for the future, rather than just do it, be in the middle of it, and realise that nobody can do it all and stay sane or have it all working as you’d like it to be. Without that planning, you make women feel like failures, and without resources. With the planning, you can choose, realistically, when and how to do things. You can be told what you’re likely to experience, what your choices are, how those choices might work etc etc. Dream sure. But help people work out what’s possible and how to make it happen, before taking everything on and realising more planning was needed to actually make it work.

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  31. Career mum

    I believe you can have it all, but the you is plural. I work full time at a fairly demanding career but my husband works part time and does all the household/children related jobs. We made the conscious decision that happiness was not a big house so downsized so we could afford the reduction in income – this also coincided with my husband having a career crisis so he was full time SAHD for about 2 years. This is the dream I will teach my daughter to aspire to- working out what is right for you and not compromising due to societal expectations.

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  32. Mum of 3

    I have learnt the word ‘No’. As in

    ‘No I can’t do a meeting at that time as it will mean we will end up having take away for dinner again as my husband i away with his work this week’ or

    ‘No, you can’t take up hockey because your friend does it and it sounds cool when you already have 3 activities and that is enough for now.’

    I now make decisions that suit my personal needs at that moment. Sometimes it is in favour of career, sometimes me, sometimes husband career, sometimes kids. But I have found that people are actually OK with you saying ‘No’ is you say it nicely.

    For me, I strive to have what is right for me right now with no expectation that it is even close to being ‘all’.

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  33. katehunter

    I’ve tried to have it all, but was crap at it. I think it’s good to aim for the whole deal but be prepared to re-jig, re-tweak and re-align priorities if you become a screaming nut job. As I have head happens *ahem* to some women.

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  34. Trish

    Maybe it depends on the personal definition of ‘happiness’ or ‘having it all’.

    I don’t put as much importance on career as I do on my family, friends and myself being healthy, having fulfilling and happy relationships with friends, family and my other half, having a job that I find interesting and challenging, and having the time to enjoy life to the full. If most of the pieces of my jigsaw slot into place at any one time, then I’m happy in the now and it’s not something I spend my life chasing.

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  35. Mel b

    We are expected to be more, its great to dream big. But if the dreams and plans dont quite go to plan than its ok. Life will still go on. We can’t just have a career or can’t just be a mother. There is this high expectation that you have to be more than you are.

    You aren’t what you do. You are you, don’t let titles define you. Like a friend of mine works from home and along with looking after the kids. She hates being called a stay at home mum, she s always trying to justify her position in life. I’m like don’t sweet a title it doesn’t define you.
    If you like been really, really busy, juggling everything or like everyone do everything for you. What ever makes you happy.

    I didn’t enjoy trying to everything, I had my foot in ever door and was failing at them all. I need to focus on one thing at a time that is what i find makes me happy and stress free (some days). As long as we are happy in ourselves and not doing it to ‘have it all’ just because we think we have to.

    Many times my mother has said to me I have wrecked my life by focusing on being a mum and giving up my nursing career. All that work, the studying, well the shifts didnt work in with my husband, my family, my sleep pattern. Not that I didn’t give up without a fight, a lot of soul searching went on to find who I am without the titles. Its nice to be around like minded people.

    I’m sorry but the truth still needs to be told, the reality of life creeps in. Dreams can be achieved and should be a focus but if your going insane and are completely unhappy, then it’s ok not to have it all, all at once or just changing the goals to suit your own life.

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  36. Anonymous

    “When someone asks me how I am, I will unfailingly respond with “I’m great, you?” Even when I’m not great.”

    I know it’s slightly off topic – but I find it interesting how a vast number of people use “how are you?” as almost an equivalent to “hello”. It’s often not an inquiry I feel is appropriate to respond with something in-depth or honest – it’s almost always used in a superficial way which I choose to respond to differently than when a friend asks how I am. This must surely account for our ‘standard’ response of fine/great/well etc?

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      oops – that was me

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  37. Anna

    “Having it all” is such a misleading phrase. For me, “having it all” probably means something completely different to the next person. I feel like I do have it all because I have a generally great level of happiness and contentment and I love my day to day life. HOWEVER, interesting point – I don’t have children and I do not plan to have children. So, I don’t feel the pressure of a cut-off date for my career.

    I don’t think this article is about “having it all” (a billion dollars, the perfect body, David Beckham as a hubby) but rather it’s just that old chestnut – can women have a family and a career and feel they are fulfilled in both areas? Personally, I know that having kids is not for me, for the simple reason that I would have to give up so many of those little things that make me feel now like I “have it all” – the main ones being freedom and time.

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  38. Anonymous

    So, can men have it all?? Sure, as long as women keep doing more of the work.

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  39. Sah

    I don’t personally know any women who openly pretend to be perfect or having it all. Not one.

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    • Mel b

      I know many!! Lol!!

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      • Sah

        Hm, maybe I’m showing my age. Most people I know are too busy patching their wounds to stay in the race for that kind of pretense.

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        • Mum of two

          Im one.

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          • Sah

            Yes, there are quite a few commenting on here who profess to ‘having it all’, but they are anonymous to me – I don’t know them personally. In my life, I don’t know people who think they have perfect lives.

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        • Mel b

          Im 32 and it’s a competitive race who’s life is more perfect, thank god I opted out of that ridiculous lifestyle!!

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  40. CathyC

    When you have the children, you realise that all the theory ie who works, how much etc (that we debate and obsess over in the first world) are dwarfed by the reality of your emotional attachment to those children and your instinctive and magnetic drive to put their interests before your own. This is why after they come along, most of us feel guilt, intermittently or constantly, no matter what ‘choice’ or ‘balance’ we try to find. I haven’t worked out how to be free of it, until they grow up and I see that they are okay. I’ve got 3 out of 5 to go!

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  41. marissaroberts

    Having it all – everything you want – yep, I think it’s possible.

    But I think the key is to work out how much you want of each thing, which is your biggest priority at what time – and your needs and priorities change throughout your life.

    I’d like to see more of us let go of needing to be perfect instead! SO much pressure out there now to be the best at everything (especially now that Pinterest is here!), and let’s face it, as soon as you become perfect at something, the bar gets raised anyway!

    My goal? A happy, EASY life :)

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  42. Jackson

    You can have it all, just not all at the same time.

    Also, what is the value in a life that is so fast you don’t get time to stop and reflect on what you have?
    What is the value in a life where you don’t make meaningful connections with people?

    If most people stopped and really thought about what they want, they would probably discover that they are not going to find it in their job or by looking at their bank balance.
    All we really need and should want is a life with purpose and the love of those around us.
    the rest is just stuff and noise.

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  43. Anonymous

    Maybe you can have ‘it all’, but not do it all absolutely perfectly? When I was growing up my mother (and father) always worked full time – out of necessity, not to further a brilliant career (my parents were refugees). I turned out fine and it never even occurred to me that there could be another way (until I grew up), and I never resented my parents for the fact that ‘mummy’ wasn’t home when I got home from school. Only difference was that, while they were loving and involved parents, they weren’t helicopter parents constantly hovering and keeping us entertained. Probably wouldn’t fulful the overparenting standards that people seem to aspire to these days.

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  44. catherine

    I really do not have much patience for whiny professional women. NOone gets to have it all at the one time with everything running A plus smoothly. Children get sick not according to schedule, they have issues not according to schedule, work will have deadlines, or crises.

    Career men may change jobs to cater to their family, or refuse promotions etc too.
    I sick of all this bleating and would like to send these women to some third world country where people are woried about geting enough food to eat and their children are dying of malnutrition.

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    • anon

      Spot on Catherine. My husband has knocked back a few big career move job offers, 2 involving a lot of overseas travel and the other one involved our family moving overseas indefinitely. He didnt want to leave me as a sole parent for a lot of the time and didnt want to miss out on family life while he would be away. And also he didnt want to uproot our lives and our kids from their schooling and friends to move overseas as one is in high school and another one about to start. He has always said once our kids start high school we owe it to them to stay in the same place so they dont have to change schools and friends. So for him that meant knocking back the job he would have otherwise loved. Many men do make sacrifices for their families. I feel sorry for families where the husbands job moves them around the world and their wife and kids have no say or choice in the matter and he doesnt consider their feelings about it. I have a cousin whose husbands career means they move to a different country with their kids every 3 years. She hates it, has bouts of depression and finds it very lonely and their children have suffered emotional problems because of it but she says she would never want to stand in the way of her husbands career. What better reason to do stand in the way of your husbands career than your childrens and your own wellbeing?

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  45. Anonymous

    … define, ‘it all’…

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    • Mary

      Exactly.

      Define happiness. I’m pretty sure that those who have chosen to priotise one over the other haven’t given up on happiness. Quite the opposite in fact.

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      • Anonymous

        Couldn’t agree more, Mary:)

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  46. Susan

    I actually believe you can have it all, just not all at the same time.

    I was lucky enough to do life exactly as I wanted to a large degree, apart from the marriage breakup, didn’t see that coming! But, I had my children in my twenties and thirties and now I am in my forties, I am back at school finishing a degree through OUA.

    I am looking forward to enjoying my new career over the next 20 – 30 years, although I have never been overly ambitious and will be happy working in an industry I love no matter what the papacket and having my gorgeous family around me.

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    • Ana

      Totally agree – you can have it, just not at once. Life is not a buffet, instead it is an exquisite degustation of many many courses. Each is small and unique, not all as nice as each other, but the bad ones are invariably followed by really good ones. You just don’t scoff them all down at once.

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      • Susan

        Totally agree Ana, life is wonderfully messy.

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      • Mary

        Well said.

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      • Melsie

        What a wonderful way to look at it. I’m going to stick that quote up on the wall to keep me sane at this point in my life when I’m at home with a 2yo & a 6month old, and I know I should be just enjoying it, right? But I keep worrying about how we’ll pay the bills, will I ever have a decent job again, who am I? etc etc
        Thanks for the perspective.

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  47. BecR

    Don’t stop dreaming Jamila! It’s better to aim high and then have to make a choice to scale back, rather than assuming you have to choose now (before you’ve even got kids) and settling for what you feel is second best.

    I totally agree with everyone who’s commented that ‘having it all’ differs for each person. Personally I have always wanted an interesting and challenging job, but not necessarily wanted to climb the ladder all the way to the top. I don’t have the personality for it, and anyway being at the top is too much responsibility- I’d rather spend the time with my family, friends, and pursuing other interests. I always think- there’s hundreds or maybe even thousands of people out there qualified to do my corporate job, but I am the only person qualified to be a mum to my kids :-)

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  48. tastebud

    I very much understand where you are coming from Jamila. There is nothing wrong with wanting to have it all. Just don’t flog yourself with it!

    You’ve hit the nail on the head with needing useful support from family and friends.

    What I will also say is this – have children with a man who shares your aspirations and does not frame the work / family balance question as purely “women’s issue”!!!

    I have been lucky enough to do so. I have other support too. I am fortunate in many many respects.

    YET, three children later I still experience fresh waves of shock at the overwhelming restrictions and demands of motherhood (I’d say parenthood, but it’s still a bit of a cultural default here). Shock at the logistics, forethought and energy it takes to get everyone’s needs met. And I only aim to meet those needs ‘most of the time’. I aim for mediocrity!

    Lenore Taylor’s take on this is worth a look:

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/who-framed-feminism-20120706-21m6j.html

    We have been tricked into believing this is a “women’s issue”.

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    • Anonymous

      Thanks for that link. Excellent article.

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  49. Kate

    Can someone define ‘having it all’?
    Is this having kids, a fulltime job, doing craft, making organic meals, a sex life like Christian and Anastasia and regular girls nights out?
    F*ck that noise.
    I’m going back to bed.
    Do what’s right for you ladies and gents.

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  50. MelB

    Having it all is only being brave enough to reconsider “The Plan” often. Why shouldn’t the things that are most important in life change through time? Feeling content with your life or the elusive work-life balance is only possible if you continue to PERSONALLY reappraise what “all” is. The problem comes when you try to stick to pre-conceived ideas that no longer work for you. It’s not possible to have all your dreams at the same time, but you can “have it all” at the same time as long as the “all” is what’s important to you at that moment – even if in tough times it’s just being grateful to be alive.

    Don’t worry about what you said you’d do before things changed. Try not to think about what anyone else is saying or thinking of your choices, and get on with being a fabulous person and living a great life…. whatever that means to you.

    After all, we’re having this discussion because we live in a relatively free and fair society where most people get to choose to have this “problem” of work-life balance.

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