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sport religion Footy and religion. Same thing?

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It’s not easy being an atheist. It must be wonderful to have faith in something bigger than us; to believe we really are here for a purpose, that there is a bigger plan.

Sadly, I just can’t go there. As spiritual as I am in my unwavering reverence to nature, the terms and conditions of organised religion have way too much editing and fine print for me.

Friends who are religious, I know, feel an element of pity for me; as if I am missing out on a major life component, like children and marriage – their raison d’êtres.

This gnawing realisation has become more acute this week. Why? Because I now live in Melbourne.  And once again, as much as I would like too, I just can’t buy into this city’s religion either.

On my trip for coffee this morning, my dog and I felt underdressed. I wasn’t wearing team colours and my dog was bereft of a footie scarf. My favourite barista wasn’t keen to talk about the UK phone hacking scandal as normal, overlooking me to make a snide comment to a stranger in the queue in a Collingwood scarf.

A banter ensued that had the entire coffee shop engaged, causing me to skulk out like an ignored pet, past shops lined with coloured bunting and cars with flags flying, back home to my unadorned home.

Not one to miss out on a good time lightly, I emailed a gang of friends to organise a “bland final” party at mine on Saturday, guaranteeing a football free sanctuary. “We can have our own celebration, an I’m rooting for no one shindig”, I promised.

And as the hours ticked by and the replies came in, I realised pretty quickly that I would be spending my Saturday cleaning out the linen closet. Even my friends, who normally declare themselves footy phobic, would be donning scarves to cheer at TV’s in pubs, backyards or at the game itself on Saturday. Like lapsed Christians, the faith kicks in at certain times of the year it seems, that final season is Christmas and Easter.

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Collingwood fans

“Just say you’ve got a team and come with us,” my friends have urged. “You need to have a team if you live here,” another warned. “The guys are hot,” another explained, “It’s all about the eye candy”. And then there’s the rationale, “AFL players aren’t like NRL players, they’re good boys.”

This last comment is the one I can never buy, my biggest obstacle to taking that leap of faith necessary for AFL devotion.

You see, when I arrived here a year ago, I moved to St Kilda, right about the time a schoolgirl called Kim Duthie appeared on the scene. The ensuing debacle was like wading in lewd sewage, each step more putrid, each revelation more gag inspiring.

I discovered characters such as Ricky Nixon, the manager/agent of some of football’s so-called finest. Then there was St Kilda player, Andrew Lovett, and his sordid rape case (he was acquitted), the persistent rumours surrounding Stephen Milne. I even saw a photo of Captain Nick Riewoldt in a naked romp with other players in a hotel room. Classy.

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Kim Duthie and Ricky Nixon

With all this going on, let’s just say my local team did not charm me, nor was I inspired to start wearing the red, black and white colours of the “saints” any time soon. Or ever.

The reason I am not into football is similar to my shunning of organised religion. It’s not the sport I’m not into, but the money, politics and power that makes up the commercial game as we know it.

I could never follow a religion that deems homosexuality a sin or refuses equal rights in the form of marriage; that calls abortion murder; that tells the poor to have more children; that aids and abets paedophiles. And as such, I can’t devote myself to an institution that covers up scandals, that promotes a pack mentality of win at all costs, that is sponsored by a betting company in a country where problem gambling is endemic.

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Yes, I see the argument that you don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater; that there is good at the heart of all religion and the benefits of sport to community are undeniable.

But I can’t just pluck affection out of nowhere. I can’t say that because I live in a particular area, I should muster devotion for a team that has said suburb in its name, that I can overlook at people at the top to focus on the main game.

If I had a different upbringing maybe it wouldn’t be such an issue. Matches would likely be happy childhood memories of bonding with family, friends and neighbours. I would have grown up with players who were role models, enforcing a faith that it is still the case.

Akin to religion, team sport may have shaped my identity, given me common ground with others, linked the disparate tribes of my youth under one umbrella. But I hope my eyes would have remained open enough to see that teams are akin to class divisions too; a reason to feel superior, to disperse the pack, to brand them with a logo that says I think differently to you. Just like religion.

It seems to me like there is a certain element of head burying involved in football too. My most ardently feminist girlfriends find it possible to overlook a player’s rape charge; some even deeming to blame the female victims as lesser human beings; lowies who are “asking for it”.

A player may have been caught in a scandal but the big question isn’t if they are guilty or not but if they will be able to play in Saturday’s match. Indiscretions are waved off as “boys will be boys”, that the players have no ability to control themselves, to switch from search and destroy mode to mild mannered again when the final siren blows.

I have watched as players from opposing teams hated one season are embraced when swapped the next. It appears like my argument with religion that ploughing heads in sand is not about denial, but loyalty.

With that said, I’m not about to share this argument with my neighbours in a hurry – not this week, at least.

Instead, I will watch them excitedly don their coloured jerseys, wave their team flags and have a hootin’ hollering good time. And then I will finally fold those pesky towels and match sheets with their pillowcases, fully aware that my day will have nothing on theirs. And I might just pity myself a little in the process.

How do you feel about the celebration of football in Australia? Are you – or those close to you – consumed with footy fever?

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  3. Ann

    Hmmm, another sensationalist, divisive and partially inaccurate post (nick riewoldt caught in a naked romp – really? That’s exaggerating the facts). Time for me to unfollow Mamma Mia.

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  4. Rugby Player

    I’m a women’s rugby player
    I play it through the love of the game
    I am very close friends with a well known rugby player – he is an absolute gentlemen like most players are of his calibre.

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  5. drew

    You’d be welcome at our place on Saturday. Not sure what we’re doing but it sure as hell won’t be watching a pack of nuggets kick a ball around.

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  6. Anonymous

    Oh dear god, I am SO SICK of the fact that sport is only discussed on this site with negative connotations!

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  7. anon

    Sport bores me to tears, and I don’t understand the love of footy or “footy boys” as me and my friends like to call them. You will find that the arty people and the sporty people often stick together. We make fun of the jocks, footy boys and beefed up metros, but they probably make of the weirdo/hipsters too. It’s a two way street, just stick to what you’re into.

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  8. just a girl in canada

    Thank you for using the Knights jersey in that top pic! Im living in Canada at the moment and boy do i miss my mighty Newcastle Knights… oh and I gotta say Im going for the Warriors in the Grand Final. They’re playing Manly. Nuff said.

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  9. anon for this one..

    Yes! I am an atheist and I hate watching football.. and I actually think that anyone who does either is a little bit crazy (in a bad way).
    And I feel so lucky to be married to a guy that hates football! Hallelujah!

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  10. dkmum

    When I first came to Australia I was so impressed with the athletisism of the players and the skill the game demands. I tried hard to understand the rules and eventually became a member and went to home games for two seasons. And then I just lost interest. ‘My’ team did ok… didn’t change much in their ladder placement, but I just got fed up with the sameness of the game. The other fans spent more time buying beer and booing the opposing team than they did supporting their own.
    I want something new to get excited about. It won’t be religion, I’ll tell you that much.

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  11. elli

    I’m completely uninterested in football. I saw the F word and nearly skipped straight past this post without even looking at it, but thought my opinion might be worth registering amongst the various others.

    My sister is a keen rugby union fan, currently watching the world cup with her husband and son. We grew up in a league-watching home but I’ve never taken a keen interest. I mean I was willing to go to the occasional final with my ex, but I didn’t get the fanaticism. Since we broke up I haven’t watched a game (of any code) and my current partner isn’t interested in football either.

    I think I agree with Wendy’s comment that she slightly envies the excitement that others get from cheering for their team over the season.

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  12. JustMe

    You missed that other religious stereotype, that all Muslims are terrorists and sexist. How many Catholics do you know personally who are paedophiles? How many Muslims who are terrorists? How many footballers who are sexual deviants? Its a big wide world out there, I urge you to not just listen to the stereotypes but go out there and meet people with an open mind, you might just find that not everything you read about in the herald sun is 100% correct. There are 800 odd players in the NRL and maybe 20 (at a guess) who have been on the wrong side of the law at one time or another, thats still 780 who are law abiding citizens who are good husbands, fathers, sons etc.

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  13. Nell

    Chill pill anyone? Some ppl get sport- some don’t. Like music, art, literature, politics. It’s another window to the world. Good luck with the linen closet though. And maybe check out Stephen Fry’s writing on how his attitude to sport changed.

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  14. Wh

    I’m not sure where I stand on this one, we are going to a wedding, and opinions are firmly divided on whether wedding planning is sacrilegious or not??

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  15. missamoo

    I grew up in Melbourne, my sisters grade 2 teacher was Simon Madden (Essendon player in the 80′s) my grandparents lived around the corner from Windy Hill (Essendon’s former home field). I couldn’t a fiddlers fart about the AFL for the mostly the reason you have already stated but i remember being a tiny little 5 yr old playing kick to kick with a real life footballer and not an unruly foul lad. The used to be gentlemen who were very much a part of the community now they run rampant chasing women and fame, i find it revolting. I hate to bring religion back into it but my friends rabbi once said “Only a dog cannot help himself” something that comes to my mind whenever there is another football scandal. Bores me. I prefer my football round and my league A-league so far………..

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    • Anonymous

      What a ridiculous generalisation about modern players based upon the media’s obsession with the very few bad apples.

      Most players do tons of unpaid community work without looking for thanks in return. More than many of us do hey?

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      • missamoo

        I’d firstly like to know how i generalised i simply said the whole hype from WAGs to the game itself do not interest me. AND my opinion is based on working as a dancer for the last 20 yrs and doing quite a few gigs with players and i still find the older generation of players more grounded.
        It also comes from working in many nightclubs over the years and seeing both sober and drunk behaviour. Very little of that behaviour was charming. You say most players do community work? firstly i never said the ones i knew did community work he was a school teacher and had profile in both that community and his own.
        You seem anonymous to believe you “have my number” i think you have misjudged my point. I was responding to the fact that the game holds no spark for me and the only time it did i was 5. Are you offended by that? I also made no direct judgement of any player or group of players and yet you decided to call me ridiculous and i think that is just plain mean spirited and if you are an AFL supporter your attitude gives me even less reason to find interest in the game. That is my other problem too there are a select group of people that if you say you don’t like AFL then instantly there is something wrong with you. Now who is being ridiculous

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        • Anonymous

          “The(y) used to be gentlemen who were very much a part of the community now they run rampant chasing women and fame, i find it revolting.”

          Sure sounds like a generalisation to me. And where did I call you ridiculous. Just that statement I find ridiculous, and I stand by that thanks.

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          • missamoo

            Like i said i am commenting on what i have seen in my life and what i have experienced NOT what the media tells me to think. The ones i knew as a kid were gentlemen the ones more recently not so much. I could go into specific stories but i think that is a tad tawdry and pointless. Oh and nice pointed comment about my spelling ha funny!

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  16. Mmm

    I can’t stand football! Didn’t have brothers, so just don’t get all the hype surrounding male sport. It’s all very well for people to say ‘just don’t watch it, it’s only for a couple of weeks’, but it’s never-ending!! I find with my husband, if it’s not the AFL its the NRL, the Union, or the World Cup. And when footy season is finally over, then it’s the cricket! Aggghhhhhh! We can’t go out for dinner on a Saturday night when his team is playing, and if we’re at home, I’m constantly getting shooshed!

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  17. Anonymous

    I think any violence/sexual assault etc committed is absolutely unacceptable.

    However, there are 850+ players in the AFL – 2 or 3 commit an offence each year. That’s 0.2%. Imagine if crime rates across the country were this.

    Don’t write off the sport or judge ALL players by the few who do wrong.

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    • Swester

      Well said.
      By the way I am going to the final and can’t wait
      It’s the best game in the world!!!

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  18. Mooner

    Bemused is how I would best describe my attitude to the AFL.

    I just find it hilarious that people are so obsessed and passionate about a sport that is barely played outside the state of Victoria. Okay so there are teams from other states now, but maybe 1 or 2 per state at the most.

    I feel especially bemused by the people who use “we” and “us” when talking about their favourite team. As in “we played really well on the weekend”. I always feel like saying “Oh, so you play in the AFL?! Wow, I never realised!”

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  19. Simone

    Go Pies!

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  20. Bradley

    Personally…..I wouldn’t have let a barista wearing a Collingwood scarf make my coffee. Nor would I have allowed a barista wearing a Geelong scarf make my coffee. :)

    I would have gone to the cafe next door and ordered tea.

    However, had Hawthorne made it through to the final, well…:)

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    • Bradley

      Sorry about the “e” at the end of Hawthorn.

      I just got over excited at the prospect of the Hawks making it into a final and let go with a short “e” of excitement rather than a long “eeeeeeeeeeeeeee”.

      You know what I mean ! :)

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  21. Anon

    Seems to me that many around mm are just as obsessed about fashion and vanity. I think sport is a much healthier, less self obsessed passion to have quite frankly.

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    • Bradley

      I know what you mean. I was tempted to ask what brand of nail polish was Wendy’s Collingwood scarf wearing barista had on her nails and if she had followed anyone in particulars guide for applying her eye makeup.

      But the angel on my shoulder told me not to ! :)

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  22. Sara

    Wendy you are missing out. AFL is a beautiful game. I love it and I love my team! Don’t be afraid to be passionate about something even if it is only a game. Don’t buy into the stereotypes, Footy attracts and unites people from all walks of life.

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  23. becclough

    I read the heading of this post and I felt strongly that I could relate. Football is so similar to religion for some people, its crazy! I am neither religious or a massive football fan but my parents thought I could be both and even went as far as to choose my religion based on what football team I would end up supporting. My dad wanted me to be baptised as Church of England and my mum wanted me to be baptised as Roman Catholic. They agreed that I would be baptised Roman Catholic if I would then grow up to support Melbourne (my dad’s footy team).

    My mum and my nan were Essendon supporters and from the moment I was born my nan was knitting me red and black scarfs, booties and beanies… needless to say my Dad wasn’t very happy that I grew up to be an Essendon supporter, even though in reality I now don’t call myself a football fan or even slightly religious.

    I still can’t even imagine them having that conversation (or argument) about who or what I would be when I grew up. A Roman Catholic Melbourne supporter… I wonder if they feel disappointed. ;)

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  24. Snap!!

    I love sport, both playing it and watching it. It’s great exercise, it’s social and it’s fun. My 10 yo son and I go to the football to together every weekend, it’s something we have in common and we both look forward to it. Yes there are some morons that play sport, but as I work at a high profile charity I get to see the many many sports people who volunteer their time for great causes without any fanfare.

    Here is a simple solution. Don’t like sport? Good for you, no need to defend yourself, no need to apologise, just get on with doing what you do enjoy.

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  25. J K

    At last !!.
    No more talking politics.
    Thank you.

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  26. McDaddy

    Enjoy folding the towels & matching the pillow cases & sheets. Better still, forget the towels & sheets and start working on that other old chestnut – the Christmas yarn – Why kids should abandon Santa because of all that nasty commercialisation yadda, yadda, yadda….

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  27. Free Human Being

    I think it’s sad sometimes when the very small minority of things in sport which are bad, help form the overwhelming opinion of some .

    Sport promotes healthy eating and exercise, not to mention competition.

    The fact that sport is popular, means of course that the minute some one slips up, the haters are all to quick to use it as an example of the archetype rather than just isolated incidents.

    This prejudice is the one that’s the least called out for the bullsh*t it is.

    Whilst the majority of sports people spend hundreds of hours a years, giving back to the community, there are people who compare these very people to the worst of society based on the actions of a few.

    Sport also frequently breaks down class and race barriers.

    I have never heard a convicted criminal absolved under “boys will be boys”.

    ” feminist girlfriends find it possible to overlook a player’s rape charge; some even deeming to blame the female victims as lesser human beings”

    I’ve heard many good people lose all sense of fair when a player is charged and they would automatically call guilt before the trial.

    My Mother still calls Brett Stewart a rapist.

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  28. Benita (MissBenben)

    I guess, like everything in life, sport (and religion) have good and bad bits. And I guess, when we don’t really understand or “get” something, be it religion, sport, fashion, whatever – we do tend to concentrate on the bad bits. And while we shouldn’t ignore the bad bits – the sex scandals, the money, the gambling etc…we shouldn’t ignore the good bits either. The good footy players far outweigh the bad. There are plenty more good priests than dodgy ones. And it’s unfortunate that the minority of overpaid, egotistical footy players, or of kiddy-fiddling priests, make it nigh impossible for the decent footy players who just want to play football, or the caring priests who just want to preach the word of God, to be given a fair go. Because not every footy player has a video of himself having sex with teenagers/farm animals/other footy players. Not every priest abuses kids. I’m not for one minute condoning the bad things that SOME footballers, priests etc have done (and continue to do), I’m just saying that most of them are good people. (Obviously not the ones having sex with farm animals/kids/teenagers etc)….
    And I don’t think there’s any kind of rocket science about why people follow sport. I follow sport because I like watching sport. The end. :)

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  29. bee

    Sorry but I think people need to get over it a little bit. So what if for a few weeks people are obsessed with footy. Its final times and thats what happens. They’ll get over it soon enough until the next year comes around. If you dont like it, then dont be part of it. Same with religion, if you dont believe then dont go to church.

    Yes there are footy scandals and mishaps but theres plenty of other stuff on the news too. Just tune out until next weekend when something else is the new buz of the country.

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  30. debdeb

    Brilliant so true. I think victorians definately treat AFL like a religion where as in Sydney we are are aware of all codes league, union, AFL, soccer. You get your extremists in religion and sport and people that will never change there opinion. Point proven with a lot of these posts…lol

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  31. Anon for this

    As somone who grew up in Tasmania, I was never into footy. My brothers didn’t play it, they played rugby union. Now that I’ve lived in Victoria for nearly 15 years I can happily say that I still can’t stand football. I don’t care who is playing in the grandfinal and I just hope that the torture of a second grand final being played like last year isn’t repeated this year. I find people’s passion for the game and the team a little weird actually, seeing people crying because their team did/didn’t win and talking about the players like they know them.

    When I was growing up (and this next comment is just my experience) it was kind of implied that rugby (union) was the more classy game to play and AFL was a bit common. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, it’s just how it was in our family.

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    • A Nonny Mouse

      What a load of crapola

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  32. Lucy Ormonde

    Coming from Melbourne, I’ve always been big into footy. I was born a Melbourne supporter, but will happily watch any game.
    It’s funny though, I’ve moved to Sydney and now it’s the week before the Grand Final and I’m finding it hard to care about football, the finals, the Brownlow….

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    • No one is caring about the footy final in Sydney because normally, the default position would be to support whoever is playing Manly, but this year it’s more…”Oh no…Manly are in the Grand Final…I think I’ll support…oh, it’s the Warriors…meh…”

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      • Lucy Ormonde

        And what kind of sport to Manly play?? (serious question…)

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        • Lulu

          Lucy, apparently they’re the NRL’s version of Collingwood.

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        • It’s OK…most Sydney-Siders like to deny the existence of the Manly Rugby League team as well…you’re already fitting in!

          :)

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          • Shaezy

            Ugh. My husband is a Manly supporter (interesting in itself as he grew up in Penrith). I’m not into NRL at the best of times but this week has been killing me. He’s gone all 14 year old girl about it – “but no one understannnnnds us! Waa Waa Waa!”. And he can’t understand why none of his friends want to have a Grand Final party with him. I keep suggesting he can have a Free Pass on Sunday to go out and watch it amongst Manly supporters (read: get him out of the house so I don’t have to listen to the shouting at the tele, or hear the cries of “referee!?” or “cheat!” at anything that is not in Manly’s favour.) Sadly, he won’t go. I think I’ll take the kids grocery shopping instead.

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            • So he’s the 1…

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      • L E Bee

        What do you mean, meh it’s the Warriors!?!?!?!?!!?!?!

        Lols, can you tell I’m from NZ?

        The media coverage of the final has been great in NZ, finally people have a team to support other than the All Blacks! And finally the media take notice of a team other than the All Blacks! (Who I do support as well, but the media coverage of them is overwhelming, even in the off season.)

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  33. Anonymous

    Will Mamamia ever post an article that sees sport or people that are inspired by it in a positive light?

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    • Mia

      Nobody has submitted one yet…..

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      • I would gladly do a post on the V8 Supercars!

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        • I don’t think they’ll accept a love-letter/proposal to Skaiffie…

          ;)

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          • It’s ok. I would never propose to Skaifey, he’s married. But I have met him and he’s tops.

            I think the V8′s are the perfect example of how a sport should be. I just won’t mention the stewards . . .

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      • Anonymous

        But would you ever agree to post one? Even if you didn’t personally agree with it?

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        • katehunter

          Hey Anonymous. Last year, Mia wrote a column about how she feels about fairy tales – not positively. It was all about their negative messages to young girls and how they taught that all life’s problems could be solved by hooking up with Prince Charming. When I was at a writers festival, I met an author called Kate Forsyth who, on hearing I write for MM said, ‘That Mia Freedman! She makes me furious! She has no idea about fairy tales and their true meaning or history…’ and so on. I suggested she write a post countering what Mia had written. She did, and Mia published it without hesitation. Give it a go.

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          • Anonymous

            Hi Kate, I remember all that very clearly and was very happy to read the positive story on fairytales :-)

            I must confess though, I am definitely no writer and also, no real sports fan. I just see that sport can influence the lives of so many positively and get tired of the negative sport stories on here. I like to hear both sides of stories so would be very excited to ever see a positive sport related story posted here.

            I’m not the one to write it though… any volunteers? Anyone? :-)

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            • Oooo pick me!!!!

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      • Benita (MissBenben)

        Is there an email address we can submit it to Mia? x

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      • Melissa

        Felicity Harley over at Women’s Health has been running an amazing I Support Women in Sport campaign, maybe she could give a different (but still relevant to MM readership) perspective. Would be interesting as she’s married to a top grade AFL player.

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      • JustMe

        How about interviewing one Mia? You’ve interviewed Athiests, Muslim’s, feminists, Muslim feminists, how about giving a footballer a go? Can I make a suggestion ….Anthony Minniecello from my team, the roosters ;)

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    • bee

      Good call! Love you Mama Mia Team but almost anything to do with sport on here has a negative spin to it

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    • roserusso

      I wrote one about Stephanie Rice and the positive impact she had on me losing 25kg during the Beijing Olympics. It was around the time of Cadel gate so my timing was a bit off for this site I think.

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  34. Cordeline

    I live in Melbourne and hand-on-my-heart cannot tell you who is playing in the Grand Final.

    As a kid, I used to love going to footy games with my dad and my Pa. Dad has never supported an AFL team, but my Pa did and it was always such a treat to go with them. I loved the footy for many years but have become disinterested over the past decade I guess. A lot of it due to idiotic behaviour of some players and also I felt that there was just too much media coverage for AFL… how many TV shows can be dedicated to pre and post match chit-chat? But you know what? It didn’t get upset about it all and I don’t look down on those die-hard fans. It’s their thing. Let them enjoy it. I just choose not to be informed/into it anymore.

    My dear old Nan when she was alive, knew all about the footy. All the teams. She lived in the country her whole life and sport was a huge part of the community. She was the sweetest, gentlest lady on earth and, although she was obviously against in violence on or off the field, it didn’t stop her supporting her beloved team or the league. Sport brings people together, not all people, obviously, but lots of people nonetheless.

    As for Grand Final day parties/bbq’s…. don’t scoff them Wendy. It’s like some others have said below… if you don’t follow horse racing throughout the year, it doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy the Melbourne Cup Carnival. It’s a brilliant week in Melbourne. Grand Final day can be the same if you want it to be. Just think of it as a sporting carnival. You can join in a celebration somewhere, or not, whatever you like. But there’s no point in rolling your eyes over it. It’s one week, in the lead up to one footy match and then it will all be over… until next September :-)

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    • Kristy

      I love that you had a Pa! i had a pa too who was a passionate footy supporter.
      You don’t hear that as a grandparent name very often these days.

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      • Cordeline

        Oh yes, my Pa was mad on footy, all sports really. My little girls call my dad Pa these days. He loves it.

        You’re right, you don’t hear it much these days… many of my childhood memories include my Nana and Pa :-)

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      • JustMe

        My Dad is Pa to my 3 kids :)

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    • Em

      Collingwood V Geelong :-D

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      • Cordeline

        Oh, Pa was a Geelong man, he would be excited :-)
        Thank you Em

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  35. Elky

    When I first arrived in Melbiurne, I couldn’t even work out how you could play football on an oval ground – and the other rules were even more incomprehensible. My then-fiance, who had played at school (it’s a bit like national service, nearly 100% participation) took me to a game between Essendon and Hawthorn. Supposed to be a close match, it was anything but. But we had the best time, sitting behind the Hawthorn cheer squad, Craziest thing I’d ever seen.

    I’m not a true believer, but it’s no hardship seeing such amazing athletes in action – they leave the other footy codes for dead. The shorts aren’t as much fun as thy used to be in Warwick Cappa’s day, though!

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  37. Jecoro

    Am surrounded by finals fever? Ummm yeah a bit. I am from WA but I live in Geelong……I am shunned because I JUST DONT CARE ABOUT THE FOOTY.

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  38. sarah

    Really enjoyed this thought provoking piece Wendy. Thank you to you and to Mamamia.

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  39. Well, there’s one thing this article does confirm. Some sport supporters are as sensitive to criticism as some religious people…and vice versa…

    :)

    We need to add “sport” to “Never talk about religion or politics”.

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    • Craig

      But at least the participants in sport are real!

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      • fee283

        in your opinion. people’s faith [& history] says otherwise for some ‘religions’

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        • Craig

          Not my opinion at all, just the facts. Other than using self references (ie, the bible is real because the bible says so), there is very little or no historical evidence for many or most of the events. That is what faith is, belief with no evidence.

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  40. KellySlaterNotTheSurfer

    As a person who delights in any excuse for a party (Oscars, Logies, Census Night…) I think “Bland Final” is an AWESOME IDEA!!!

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  41. Kristy

    Could we have a contrasting story of someone that sees the good in football?
    All the negativity aimed at the sport gets more air time than the benefits.

    I understand the want for this point of view, but there are many people out there who think otherwise and it would be good to read that as well.

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    • Catherine Manning

      Pleeease NOOOOOOOO!!!!! *fingers in ears* There are PLENTY of ‘footy colour’ stories out there. There’s a plethora of TV shows praising the football ‘Gods’, and our airwaves are bombarded with ‘footy tipping’ conversations and countdowns til ‘the big day. (It’s more painful than a royal wedding – but at least they’re not an annual event!) We KNOW y’all love your footy – let us have our article in the sun. :)

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      • Urban Fringe

        Beautifully sad. ‘Good news’ footy stories saturate the media – tis refreshing to hear from someone who reminds us of the other side of the story.

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      • Anon

        Very well said. Let’s hope they can’t find someone who is football obsessed and who can also write.

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  42. marmalady

    Not a fan of football or religion myself but I find this article a bit patronising and inflammatory.

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    • LK

      I agree marmalady. I feel like the writer is just trying to get a rise out of people.

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  43. JellyBelly

    I’m not into religion and I don’t love football but every year I organise Christmas lunch and a BBQ on grand final day. Does this make me a hypocrite? Yep. Do I care? No!
    Footy grand final means Springtime in Melbourne, which also means it’s nearly Spring Racing Carnival, which leads to dressing up and champagne, Caulfield Cup, Melbourne Cup, warmer weather, Christmas parties etc. Love this time of year as so many fun things are ahead!

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    • Felicety

      Spring Racing Carnival! Oh I cannot wait! What the hell am I going to wear?!?!?

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      • JellyBelly

        Oooh definitely check out Asos for some great frocks! I’m hoping MamaMia will do a post on Spring Racing Carnival and a gallery of dresses.

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  44. Catherine Manning

    LOVE LOVE LOVE it Wendy. Very brave of you to put this out there at this time!
    I’d love to come and help you fold your linen on Saturday (you grab some beers, I’ll bring a packet of meat pies).

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  45. Julie

    Gawd where do I start? Well football and religion are not the same thing. A stupid thing to suggest. Andrew Lovett was NOT a St.Kilda football player, he never played a single game. He was a former Essendon player, get it right! As for Wendy Squires she has issues, sometimes the most balanced person has a chip on both shoulders. Using her logic of not supporting an organisation that covers up “scandals” I take it she does not vote in elections or support/utilise the Police Dept. In all an ignorant post that deserves an unfollow for you Mia. Sick of rubbish like this filling up my timeline!

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    • Anon

      Couldn’t of said it better.

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    • Mia

      Julie,
      This is a site where different opinions are published. You may not agree with all of them and you are of course welcome to put an opposing view forward. Any time. A diversity of viewpoints is what makes Mamamia (and life) interesting.

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      • LOL…if I took my cricket bat and went home every time I disagreed with something posted on MM, I’d never visit the site!

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        • LadySarah

          Mental image of you with cricket bat, going crazy with rage. Rather amusing…

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      • Julie

        Yes I’m aware of that Mia, thank you for personally pointing that out.

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    • What about attacking the ball, not the player! She’s entitled to her opinion. You can disagree with Wendy without having to try and belittle her…that’s what I did…

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      • Julie

        JJ, so it’s ok for her to belittle people in her post? Pfft

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        • I don’t think she does…

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        • MotherR

          “Pfft” is the most belittling sound/word that can be directed at anybody, because it’s dismissive. It grates me more than anything when I see it on forum discussions.

          And I agree, the writer is not belitting people but discussing her inability to engage in religion or football.

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    • Lulu

      “Andrew Lovett was NOT a St.Kilda football player”

      I just did a quick google search, & the Herald Sun, The Age, The Australian etc etc all disagree.

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      • Julie

        Umm lulu, he was on the books briefly but did NOT play a single game for them!

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        • Lulu

          See LadySarah’s point below. By that logic, footballers aren’t footballers between the end of one season & the beginning of the next, because they’re not playing games.

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      • LadySarah

        Lovett was traded to St Kilda at the end of the 09 season, but the his contract was terminated in Feb 2010, when he was charged.

        He never actually played a game with St Kilda. Whether he was a “St Kilda football player” is your own opinion I guess!

        As a Saints supporter, I don’t like to think of him as one ;)

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  46. Bec

    I would come to your ‘bland final’!

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    • Laws for Clouds

      I’m thinking about stealing the idea!

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  47. rainbow

    i agree with this article. i cant support an organisation that displays and puts up with such poor behaviour. i know a lot of good happens but until the higher echelons of the AFL start doing the right thing, i won’t be a supporter. boys will be boys, the young guys need to be lead effectively. people like ricky nixon and eddie mcguire are their leaders?? how can that be?

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    • laura

      just curious as to what you believe eddie mcguire has done to be comparable to ricky nixon?
      he is a married father of two, who took on an enormous job at age 34, wiped out all of collingwood fc’s debt and increased their membership by 50 000 people. i personally would be very proud to do that by age 40.
      sure, mcguire’s opinion’s rile people, but is that truly on par with having an affair with a 17 year old? honestly just curious!

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      • rainbow

        i was referring to his recent remarks about the pokies and his so-called “footy tax”. he should stay out of serious political debate

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  48. I was raised a catholic. Went to catholic schools. Mum and dad never rammed it down my throat, only school served to do that.

    Dad was anglican but Mum wanted us to be raised catholic so we were. We were a pretty secular family, never went to church or anything like that, but we believed in god.

    I am a non practising catholic. I believe in God and if asked, my religion is catholic, but I don’t practice at all and I don’t feel any need to. If God’s love knows no boundaries, s/he wouldn’t expect me to go to church every Sunday or pray to him/her every night, and my belief and faith in God is enough.

    As for sport. I hate anything football related. I do enjoy hearing about the tennis, soccer, swimming, etc, but I would never watch a match/game/swim meet. Well, I will watch the swimming when the olympics are on, but that is about it. When people talk about sport, I usually start talking about books I’ve been reading lately. Books are my sport!

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  49. Felicety

    I think it is a bit sad that you are going to miss out on the fun that is grand final day because of a few negatives (and really, with how big the sport is, the positives far outweigh the negatives, they just aren’t as well publicised). Its a chance to experience real Melbourne culture, especially seeing as it is 2 Victorian teams, one of which being the one team in the whole league that people feel the most strongly about…
    Also, just because you live in St Kilda doesn’t mean you have to go for them! Choose whatever team you wish, look into what good the teams do and choose that way.
    And just one word about the “rape victims”… I am sure there are victims out there but you have to understand the predator culture that exists in those circles. And im not talking about the guys. Its the girls. The number of times I have heard girls in the toilets say “I only do footballers” or had drinks purposely spilled on me because I was talking to one (even though I had no idea who they were). Its not as black and white (pardon the pun) as it seems.
    Anyway, I think you should choose a team to go for on Saturday (not collingwood) and go down to a local pub and experience first hand how passionate we are about our code. See it as a cultural experience, like running with the bulls, but more ocka!
    And last but not least… Go Geelong!

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    • Kristy

      Well said! And also support the “Go Geelong”!

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  50. Laws for Clouds

    Um, what happened to not naming the St Kilda schoolgirl on this site? And that picture of her and Ricky Nixon looks fake to me.

    On the article, I know how Wendy feels, I have faith but dislike church for various reasons, including the editing and fine print! So I am not a member of a church and don’t really have anywhere to go at Christmas and Easter or even Sunday mornings (except for a nice cafe on the beach maybe!).

    I also pay no attention to sport, but I’ve never felt left out of that.

    I also don’t really like the way all Christians/AFL players are lumped in with the negative stereotypes in this article.

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    • Anonymous

      shes 18, why cant she be named?

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      • Laws for Clouds

        No reason, it was just that on previous posts about her a big deal was made about not naming her, even after she had been named in several other news sources and appeared on 60 Minutes.

        I know she is over 18 but she was a child at the time too, so it’s a bit of a grey area.

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        • I don’t think there are any court cases pending for any of that anymore…correct me if I’m wrong…

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      • Susan

        Yeah I thought Mia was trying to protect the identity of a young woman whose judgement at the time was questionable. I didn’t think it was so much about waiting for the legal age/for court cases to be over…

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    • Mia

      Hi Laws For Clouds,
      This story has moved way way further since it first came to light when we didn’t name her in our original post.
      Her determination to name herself, the fact that she is now 18 and the end of legal issues around this story all make me feel comfortable with publishing her name now.
      It is so widely known as to make her anonymity impossible.

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      • Felicety

        Her anonymity is impossible… I like that.
        I have received SMS’s saying “Kim Duthie is at (insert name of pub/bar) you should come down and laugh at her, she has the WORST taste in men and is loving the attention!”
        Sad but true. And I haven’t taken these people up on their offers thus far, having a cup of tea and a bath has won out every time.

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      • Laws for Clouds

        Thanks for responding Mia. I feel this is a slightly grey area as Duthie has been out of the media since she did turn 18 (a few days ago, so maybe it doesn’t count for much!), but I agree when you say anonymity is impossible.

        I still feel bad for her though. We were all foolish and vulnerable when we were 17.

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