by JAMILA RIZVI
Marissa Mayer is not a feminist.
Marissa is the CEO of Fortune 500 company Yahoo. She is one of the world’s most successful businesswomen and when she announced last week that she is about to start a family, she got everyone’s attention. Here is a woman who really does seem to ‘have it all’ and yet on the topic of feminism, she told AOL:
“I don’t think that I would consider myself a feminist. I think that I certainly believe in equal rights, I believe that women are just as capable, if not more so in a lot of different dimensions, but I don’t, I think have, sort of, the militant drive and the sort of, the chip on the shoulder that sometimes comes with that.”
This is a woman who has benefited enormously from the women who went before her. A woman whose achievements are noteworthy in and of themselves but at the same time, a woman whose achievements would never have been possible without the feminist movement.
Yet Marissa Mayer takes that feminist name tag, casually chucks it into the garbage and wipes her hands of it. And she is not alone in doing so.
More and more, women are distancing themselves from the term ‘feminist’.
Surveys consistently reveal that as few as 30 per cent of women in Australia, Canada, the US and the UK consider themselves ‘feminists’. And the number of self-identifying feminists only decreases when you survey younger women.
Caitlan Moran in How to be a Woman asks the respondents to these surveys:
“What part of ‘liberation for women’ is not for you? Is it freedom to vote? The right not to be owned by the man you marry? ‘Vogue’ by Madonna? Jeans? Did all that good shit GET ON YOUR NERVES? Or were you just DRUNK AT THE TIME OF THE SURVEY?”
Somewhere along the way being a feminist has become associated with hating on men, rather than being equal with them. So, I can see why women like Marissa Mayer, who work in male dominated professions, simply cannot afford to attract the label of ‘feminist’. After all, success doesn’t come to the woman who throws her hand up in the air and says ‘look at me, look at me, I’m a man-hater’.
But even beyond the corporate world and in our day-to-day social interactions, calling yourself a feminist triggers eye rolling, grimaces and complaints of political correctness having gone too far.
‘Feminist’ is a term that teenagers use to insult each other. What’s even worse is that we are now seeing women use their rejection of the feminist label as a way to endear themselves to men. Refusing to characterise yourself as a feminist has become code for saying “I’m all for equal rights and stuff but not in a scary threatening way cos’ I think boys are just the bees knees.” Calling yourself a ‘non-feminist’ is just another way of being more alluring.
Jezebel’s Katie Baker says that “the goal of the movement is equal opportunity, not gratitude and actions speak louder than words.” She argues that it doesn’t matter if Marissa Mayer doesn’t consider herself to be a feminist because Mayer can still be a feminist role model.
I disagree. I want to know when we decided that it was okay to enjoy all the benefits of equal rights while disassociating ourselves from those who fought for those rights in the first place?
As a single, working woman in 2012, I stand on the shoulders of giants. I stand on the shoulders of the women who went before me. And I am grateful to them.
I am grateful to the women who fought for my right to vote, to open a bank account, to own property and to order my own goddamn drink at a bar.
I am grateful to the women who said I should be able to keep my own name if I want to, the women who got rid of the ‘obey’ part in marriage vows, the women who said my life could be about more than a clean house and a well set table.
I am grateful to the women who were called evil, who were called baby killers and who were called witches. The women who took all of that crap, so that my girlfriends and I could control and make choices about our own bodies.
I am grateful to the women whose fight won me the right to marry the person I love and start a family, while still being allowed to pursue a career outside the home.
And what I fear more than anything else is that the women of future generations will not have anything more to be grateful for. I fear that the young women of 2062 will look back on me and my generation and wonder why we dropped the ball.
Because as far as we have come – there is still a huge way to go.
Women still earn around 80 cents for every dollar that men earn over a lifetime. And this isn’t just about who has the bits that make the babies. Australian women earn less from the very first year after they graduate from university and TAFE.
Women still carry the burden of around two thirds of unpaid work and caring duties.
Women are almost 51 per cent of the population and yet we hold less than 30 per cent of elected positions in the federal Parliament. We hold 8 per cent of board directorships and 10 per cent of executive management positions.
Nearly one in five of us will experience sexual assault, one in three will experience some kind of family or domestic violence in our lifetimes.
We earn less, we are heard less and we are hurt more.
And all of this pales in comparison, to the women around the world who still do not share the basic rights, safety, freedoms and equalities that here in Australia we all take for granted.
To every woman still reading my rant, I say this: Yes, you are a feminist. All that little word means is that you believe in women’s equality with men. It’s not scary, it’s simple.
So let’s stop wasting our time ‘reclaiming’ words like c*#t and start reclaiming a word that really matters.
And let’s start doing that today.
Feminism is ours. It is an ideal, a thought, a vision that was designed by our mothers and our grandmothers and our great grandmothers, but it is still relevant today. It isn’t something we should take for granted and it isn’t something we should forget.
Let’s not let feminism become a dirty word on our watch.
Let’s give our daughters and grand daughters something to be proud of too.
And while I’m at it, I will add this.
Girls – your boyfriend should be a feminist. So should your husband and your brother and your mates and your son. Because just like I can be a supporter of the civil rights movement and not be black, they can be feminists without being women.
My name is Jamila. I’m an ordinary gen Y woman. I shave my legs, I own red lipstick, I wear 5-inch heels. I love my job and I love men – from the one who fathered me, to the ones I live with, to the one I want to share my life with. I’m a feminist and proud of it.
And you should be too.
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I think people distance themselves away from ‘feminist’ because of the connotations associated with it. If people really knew what it stood for, rather than the man-hating, bra burning image that is still associated with it, then I think more people would respond more favourably when asked if they are a feminist.
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I believe the majority of people who identify as feminists are what I would call “inactive” feminists, they believe in equality, but they don’t subscribe to the women’s studies, hardcore everything-is-sexism crowd.
I also believe that the majority of “active” feminists (a much smaller but far more vocal subset) are pretty extreme and DO view the world through victim coloured glasses.
I believe feminist studies has run fairly unchecked for 40 odd years and has pretty much controlled the dialogue on gender based discussion with one focus and ALL the disquisition, without critical analyses from impartial observation and when said analyses has been attempted, violence, ad hominem attacks and the inevitable accusations of misogyny and any other shaming in the absence of REAL intellectual discourse and debate take place.
Feminism has been an unchecked power.
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Patriarchy has been an ‘unchecked power’ for all of recorded human history. That’s why feminism has become a dominant discourse over the last 40 years.
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Really??
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To every woman still reading my rant, I say this: Yes, you are a feminist. All that little word means is that you believe in women’s equality with men. It’s not scary, it’s simple.
I will never call myself a feminist due to the fringe elements of feminism, and the negative impacts that feminism has had on men.
I’m not going to make a huge rant over this, but a few points:
1) Feminism isn’t a monolith. You can’t define feminism for all feminists and non-feminists and then choose who is a real feminist (no true scotsman fallacy). Feminists define feminism differently, and you’ve chosen the most PC inclusive definition here.
2) You share a label with women that actively hate men, ala Radfemhub.
3) Equal rights for women is better striven for under the egalitarian label as its inclusive of men.
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Egalitarianism would be better as it includes equal rights for all. Maternity/Paternity leave without a man feeling like he’s harming his career; part-time work for male parents; better access/custody conditions for divorced fathers; the list goes on…
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Sure, but the root of these issues goes beyond equality as such. Its usually, quite simply about money.
Maternity / paternity leave costs businesses money, moving a fulltime role into a part time role costs businesses money and often access and custody issues are money related.
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I understand that but I also believe attitudes regarding what a man should be and do is highly restrictive. Sure, in the career world they can be anything (and they’ll work damn hard to get there too) but start trying to be a more hands on parent, leaving work earlier or taking time off and no one will bat an eyelid when another man replaces you.
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the term “feminism” has nothing to do with the hatred of men, even if you choose to interpret it that way. That would be “misandry”.
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Egalitarianism treats the symptoms, while ignoring the foundations, root causes, and vast stretches of the past.
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Here here! Thanks Jamila! You nailed it completely.
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“I want to know when we decided that it was okay to enjoy all the benefits of equal rights while disassociating ourselves from those who fought for those rights in the first place?”
Yes – exactly!!! A brilliantly written post, Jamila. I agree with every word.
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Oh Jamila! Brilliant! You’ve given me goosebumps!
It’s such a shame the negative, hairy-armpitted man-hating connotations remain stuck to the word feminist.
I married a feminist, have been raised by feminists and will do all that I can in my lifetime to ensure that generations who follow us are further away from being the 51% minority.
We still have so far to go and we can’t achieve real equality until we have all our sisters on board.
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I believe the majority of people who identify as feminists are what I would call “inactive” feminists, they believe in equality, but they don’t subscribe to the women’s studies, hardcore everything-is-sexism crowd.
I also believe that the majority of “active” feminists (a much smaller but far more vocal subset) are pretty extreme and DO view the world through victim coloured glasses.
I believe feminist studies has run fairly unchecked for 40 odd years and has pretty much controlled the dialogue on gender based discussion with one focus and ALL the disquisition, without critical analyses from impartial observation and when said analyses has been attempted, violence, ad hominem attacks and the inevitable accusations of misogyny and any other shaming in the absence of REAL intellectual discourse and debate take place.
Feminism has been an unchecked power.
Statistics have been thrown around that are dishonest, fabricated and outright lies and they HAVE been proven wrong over and over, but you can’t change a person’s mind once they have been indoctrinated into the everything-is-sexism mode of thinking.
Women do NOT earn 80% of what men earn in the same jobs, they work in lower paying jobs, they work less hours and the do NOT work in dangerous jobs. This accounts for most of the discrepancy.
Men are prepared to travel more than 2 hours to work at a rate of 10/1 to women.
Men work 50 hour weeks 2/1 to women
Men work 60 hour weeks 5/1 to women
Men work 70 hour weeks 20/1 to women.
This has a direct effect on promotion, income and establishment in industry skills.
Men die 25/1 in dangerous jobs.
This has an effect on employment in jobs that require dangerous weight and construction and if physical requirements driven by biological imperatives do not filter out a degree of women, the fact that women are not held to the same accountability of earning for the family as men are, probably accounts for another percentage of men working these jobs that they funnily enough, may not love.
Women dominate the lower paying but much easier service sector employment statistics.
Moreover, the logical conclusion of women getting paid less for the exact same output would be the resulting elimination of employment of males as companies employ women to ensure greater profits, but this doesn’t happen, because they don’t pay women less the the exact SAME job.
“Women earn less from the first year of graduation” is a blatant misrepresentation of reality through the everything-is-sexism lens. The truth is women do two things that enables this distortion.
1. They are less likely to seek full time work in their first year of employment and more likely to travel
2. Women are less likely to negotiate higher earnings, which also goes some way towards any further wage gap myth discrepancies.
“Women are almost 51 per cent of the population and yet we hold less than 30 per cent of elected positions in the federal Parliament.”
This only fits the dynamic if you completely absolve any evolutionary imperatives from the reason people make choices, but I’ll ask a question – How many women chase powerful positions in order to attract a mate?
Somewhere between zero and very few. Men chase power because females are attracted to power, unless men are attracted to power or some over reason compels females to take political positions over satisfaction of employment, then not a lot will be changed, but the unchecked voice of feminism will continue to blame patriarchal power structure absurdly in the face of the most glaring reality of them all – Women control 51% of the vote.
“We earn less, we are heard less and we are hurt more.
Wrong, lies, lies.
You produce less in the the private sector, that is the truth and until men carry children, this gap may close but will never align.
Women are the majority voters, with departments for women’s health, societies for female
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So that ‘women’s work’ (childcare, teaching, nursing etc) is undervalued means that feminism is irrelevant?
Also, I can’t speak for the statistics in this article, but the gender pay gap is based on equal pay for equal work. As is the pay rate of employed first year graduates.
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“So that ‘women’s work’ (childcare, teaching, nursing etc) is undervalued means that feminism is irrelevant?”
Question – Do you know better than the market?
Seriously, no one is forcing these jobs upon people. It’s choice, but I’d probably be focusing first on the dangerous work that is underpaid if I was a socialist proponent and let’s be clear, what you’re talking is just that.
It’d be nice to see pay rises for everyone, but that money has to come from somewhere and for the record there are many low paying jobs that are men’s work and they are a hell of a lot more injury prone. Also I hugely respect the work of nurses and compliment anyone who takes the role of improving health, these are heroes within the establishment.
Teaching sent man packing and rabid radical feminists with the men-are-paedo’s bullhorn led the charge.
The pay gap is completely mythological because the base statistics are not proven, it’s built on theory and then general statistics. Two women in similar jobs do not always get the same pay, but that can’t be discrimination right?
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There’s also some pretty interesting facts against your argument women earn less because of the industry they work in……
Isabel Fernandez – from the London Business School –decided to examine and measure wage differences between men and women in the temporary employment sector.
Thus, Isabel talked a staffing firm – specialized in high skilled IT related contractors – into providing her with their internal databases: resumes, client information, demographic data, project characteristics, prices, and so on. Subsequently she compiled an extensive and detailed database on 250 of its temporary employees who, over a period of several years, jointly were involved in 1462 projects across 462 different companies. She measured their hourly pay rate and statistically corrected the differences between them for things such as years of education, specialist training, experience, project characteristics, and so on. Until there was only one variable left to examine: gender.
And she found that, even in temporary jobs, women get paid substantially less than men, for the same type of work. Women earned an average of $25.08 per hour while men, for the exact same job with the same qualifications, would earn an average of $29.66.
(http://www.forbes.com/sites/freekvermeulen/2011/02/28/wage-differences-between-men-and-women-sexist-or-functional/)
Even accounting for factors such as occupation, industry, race, marital status and job tenure, reports the GAO, working women today earn an average of 80 cents for every dollar earned by their male counterparts. This pay gap has persisted for the past two decades, remaining relatively consistent from 1983-2000.
(http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/womenspay.htm)
industry doesn’t tell the whole story. Women earned less than men in all 20 industries and 25 occupation groups surveyed by the Census Bureau in 2007 — even in fields in which their numbers are overwhelming. Female secretaries, for instance, earn just 83.4% as much as male ones. And those who pick male-dominated fields earn less than men too: female truck drivers, for instance, earn just 76.5% of the weekly pay of their male counterparts. Perhaps the most compelling — and potentially damning — data of all to suggest that gender has an influence comes from a 2008 study in which University of Chicago sociologist Kristen Schilt and NYU economist Matthew Wiswall examined the wage trajectories of people who underwent a sex change. Their results: even when controlling for factors like education, men who transitioned to women earned, on average, 32% less after the surgery. Women who became men, on the other hand, earned 1.5% more.
(http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1983185,00.html#ixzz21VGMvQs0)
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Posted response might turn up later, it has links etc.
Won’t hold my breath
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“Question – Do you know better than the market?”
BING BING BING! Economic rationalist alert!
Answer – Just because something makes sense economically that doesn’t mean it makes sense morally. Case in point: Lynx commercials, Jersey Shore and Bratz dolls. (And this without mentioning more serious examples like the weapons trade and the commercialisation of immunisations and pharmaceuticals in third world countries)
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Bing Bing Bing – Socialist knows better than billions of people making voluntary transactions alert.
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Question should we pay childcare workers more because they are women – How about male labourers or is one tied to an emotional debate?
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That was not my question. The issue of women’s work is about the perceived value of their work based it being associated with gender.
A child care worker with a four year bachelor degree in early childhood typically earns less than a laborer, yet a laborer is unqualified. But consumers value the building industry more than the childcare industry, and it’s important to question why that is the case.
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Ellie your perception of value is an opinion.
Where these people seek employment is reality
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“Men are prepared to travel more than 2 hours to work at a rate of 10/1 to women.”
More accurately, men are ABLE to travel further distances to work as they are not responsible for as many hours of unpaid domestic work as women are. I give you the hot tip – the man travelling 2 hours to work and back every day isn’t doing all his own washing and cooking, cleaning his own house or picking his kids up from school. The primary reason he CAN travel and work more is because he has a wife doing all that for him.
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I know many single men who do 2hr+ commutes. They seem to manage to keep themselves fed and in clean clothes.
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I can’t believe I am reading this: “because he has a wife doing all that for him” … Even if there was an ounce of truth in that I’d give said commuting male a pat on the back for his hard work and for giving his wife the choice to stay home if she so desired.
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I’m trying to point out that more men are ABLE to commute because of support from a partner (or earning enough to pay for domestic support services a partner would provide), as opposed to the insinuation that part of the reason women are paid less is because they are able to commute, but just aren’t “prepared” to. There’s a myriad of reasons more men than women commute, to suggest that women just can’t be arsed doing it is just insulting.
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Or give the woman a pat on the back for allowing her husband to pursue his career while she sacrifices her career to stay at home and take care of the household and their kids.
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Know any single fathers that manage it ??
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Thanks for the hot tip Lisa, I’ll remember to tell all the guys who spend 90 hours a week working and commuting how lucky they are they don’t have to fork out a solid $150 a week for these services.
Whilst we’re generalizing is there a transference of value one might get from spending time with one’s kids?
Just wondering seeing as we’re comparing wealth saving market dynamics without the need to investigate intrinsic value?
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You complain that the article provides untruthful statistics. If you are going to follow that route may I ask here did you get yours from? I am curious and would like to read the original document you got these from.
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Hannah, every post with links gets banned
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Well said FHB!
As others have said I am incredibly grateful for what has been achieved by past generations, and that I am allowed the freedom & choices we have today. And should there be a threat that those rights & freedom I would happily fight to ensure they are maintained – to that extent maybe I am a feminist.
But I personally don’t see that there is anything further that I need to fight for – and for that reason I do not call my self a feminist
I have all the same opportunities & rights as a male. If I perform the same job, I will earn the same money.
Do I think it is a crazy who much top executives earn – yes. Would it be nice if the jobs that females seem to be more attracted to (teachers, nurses, etc) earn more – yes. But that is not a matter of feminism, that is a result of the economic market.
The opportunity is there for everyone, which is what is important. from there its just what you choose to do. As far as I am concerned if a person is happy in their CHOSEN path in life, that should be all that is important – not how statistics can be manipulated and unnecessary arguments created by whether it means they are in a higher/lower paying job, or how their household DECIDES to share the domestic duties.
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Your response is the most sensible thing I have read so far on this matter
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Lauren many households don’t “decide” how to divide up chores. I’ve had boyfriends who I thought were fairly kind considerate people, yet they still had the expectation that I would do most of the housework. It’s almost like if you don’t, it limits the number of men available to you.
Also, contary to what you think, many women are paid less for doing the EXACT same job.
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“But I personally don’t see that there is anything further that I need to fight for – and for that reason I do not call my self a feminist”
So you are fine with the fact that about 57% of women have experienced sexual or physical assault in their lives? That one in five people (22%) believes that domestic violence can be excused if later the perpetrator regrets what they have done? That the majority of women (85%!) who experience assault do not report it out of fear, shame or self blame? That those that do report it, go through a traumatic interrogation and have their credibility attacked in court experience no justice with perpetrators walking away over 90% of the time.
Is it okay to you that women can work in EXACTLY the same position as a man yet be paid less? That women are still not given promotions or jobs due to having children or being pregnant?
You have NO idea!
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Lauren do you not live in the same effing universe I do? Just because sexism is very subtle and hidden, and no longer involves our ability to work, open a bank account etc does not mean is it not creepily there.
Congratulations for being in a sheltered and naive world, but feminism is still extremely bloody relevant.
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I think I love you.
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Sources please.
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“Women do NOT earn 80% of what men earn in the same jobs, they work in lower paying jobs, they work less hours and the do NOT work in dangerous jobs. This accounts for most of the discrepancy.”
This is bollocks. Obviously statistics account for these factors. The discrepancy is in comparing men and women’s earnings in the SAME positions with the SAME education and SAME experience.
“Women dominate the lower paying but much easier service sector employment statistics.”
How INCREDIBLY insulting. Yeah it’s really easy working as a nurse in a children’s hospice dealing with grieving families, cleaning up vomit, working all night only to go home and get the kids ready for school etc. It’s really easy working in an aged care home taking care of fragile, elderly people, showering them and dealing with frequent deaths and illness. Super easy taking care of 30+ kids some with behavioural problems who might swear, throw chairs and cause chaos. All while trying to keep everyone else calm and learning. And all super easy on very low wages and often with your own kids to take care of as well.
Your arguments are all completely flawed.
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“Sorry i vomited words all over your article about something else”
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I was reading an article on Miranda Kerr the other day where she proudly said she wasn’t a feminist. It was so disappointing.
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Well said
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I’m really glad to see this article – I must read Moran’s book – I feel like in the last week every article I read about a woman (this Sunday the piece on Miranda Kerr comes to mind) where the interviewee is scrambling to dis-identify herself as a feminist. Feminism at its most basic level refers to the principle of equality between men and women – I think all women want and need to believe in that. Beyond that there are many different forms and nuances to feminism – it is a complex and ever-changing phenomenon but I believe women shouldn’t be reluctant in being proud and vocal FEMINISTS. I am one – I think we’re very lucky to live in an era where it seems ‘feminism’ is considered a lifestyle choice rather than a basic human right.
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Well said!
You had me nodding the whole way through your article, but I think this is my favourite part “So let’s stop wasting our time ‘reclaiming’ words like c*#t and start reclaiming a word that really matters.”
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I’m absolutely a feminist. I hope Marissa M reads this because you are spot on. I find it infuriating when ANY woman says she is not a feminist – really?! what about [everything listed above] don’t you like? I would love to know how/when the word “feminist” was tainted with negative connotations – was it a slow subliminal thing? if so, who pushed it?
I was born in 1966. My mom read Ms. magazines and listened to Helen Ready and brought us Free to Be You and Me and I was mortified that a friend would come over and see Our Bodies, Our Selves on her bookshelf…and she was married (then divorced), kept my father’s name, wore dresses (and pants), and stockings, and my sister and I were taught by both our mother and father that we could be and do anything we wanted..
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^ Yes. I think it’s ‘case in point’ that Feminism is still relevant and necessary, for the obvious fact that so many class the term as pertaining to something negative. If we didn’t still need feminism, then the term wouldn’t be tarnished as something shameful. It’s not shameful to have fought for equality, and clearly we still don’t have it if so many are fearful to associate with it! If being proud of women’s rights was openly acceptable and ‘fashionable’ no one would flinch at this term, and we wouldn’t have to debate this concept at all.
Love this article!
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I’m also grateful to the men and women who have fought for my freedom in wars of years gone by…but that doesn’t mean I want to be a soldier.
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Do you call people soldiers to denigrate them?
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Some might. And some might very proudly identify with the name, much the same as feminists.
But that’s not my point. You can be proud and grateful for those who have gone before without ‘being one of them’.
I would much rather be remembered as someone who had respect for other human beings, no matter their gender.
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“I would much rather be remembered as someone who had respect for other human beings, no matter their gender.”
THIS!
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Nobody’s asking you to go out & get shot, and i find it strange that’s the interpretation which you put on what is just a word.
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Umm ‘soldier’ is not an ideology or perspective that you can identify with. It’s a job description.
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Coincidentally, this morning at the gym I was watching a music video with men hating on women (calling them bitches), and women dancing around half naked as though they loved it. And I thought, ‘yeah, we really aren’t done with feminism yet’.
15 years ago at high school, I did survey of my classmates on whether they called themselves feminists, and was sad to see how many said no. Not much has changed. Perhaps part of the problem is they haven’t experienced obvious inequality, to appreciate what we have now.
Now, so much of the feminist struggle is under the radar. The casual misogyny of pop music; the relentless sexualisation of women; the lower pay – it goes on around us so subtly that we don’t notice it as much. It’s different to being told ‘no, you can’t open a bank account’.
But it doesn’t mean we have won; it just means we need to pay more attention and yes – claim feminism for ourselves.
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Brilliant. Absolutely agree Belinda.
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Jamila go you! Well said, well written, I am proud of you, and I agree on everything!
Recently I read a job description for a nurse from 1912(or around that time) and as a nurse myself thought it was very interesting, because the difference to today’s nursing and the ones from back then, I thought for myself, thanks to all the feminist along the way, my job is the way it is today.
Yes, there is always room for improvement, but it’s much better.
For example back then it was not a job it was a life choice. Nurses lived on the hospital grounds, worked 12-hour-shifts, earned next to nothing, and only received a pay rise if they were ‘good’ for a particular amount of years. They were only allowed to go out for a drink on saturdays and if they finished all their duties. That and much more.
So to all the women who don’t want to be feminist, try and imagine how life was 50 or 100 years ago, if this is how you want your life to be, then you’re welcome to NOT call yourself a feminist.
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Back then men worked 60 plus hour weeks, children left school as young as 8 to help support families & they all earned next to nothing. We ALL have evolved since the early 1900`s
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Sure we all have evolved. I am not talking about Evolution or Industrialisation. I am sure both have done their fare share of contribution to changes in my profession and in the world generally.
But I am pretty sure that in a hundred years time, and I am aware that it didn’t happen over night, some nurses, women and of course men(probably doctors in this instance) made a lot of effort to change some rules.
The thing is, it’s difficult to describe this job description, because I don’t know it of by heart, so that I can emphasise how it was written.
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Powerful writing! Get up and do a happy dance Jamila, you just rocked this crowd.
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You are going to go very far as a writer, Jamila. This piece was brilliantly penned, made some great points and your passion leapt off the page.
Can’t wait to see what kind of amazing things you’re producing in a few years.
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What a lovely thing to say! Thank you S. That’s really very kind. Xx
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YES!! Like you said, some women distance themselves from the “feminist” tag because they feel there is an anti-male connotation. However, feminism is not about men vs women, it is about equality. It is not about bringing down men to lift women up. Both genders can co-exist.
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Prime Minister – Female
Governor General – Female
Richest Person in Australia – Female
I get it in the 3rd world where women are actually discriminated against, but not here.
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No, you don’t get it at all. The third world has plenty of female leaders too – and in some cases has had them longer than the ‘first world’, but female leaders are usually a product of class/educational privilege and not gender equality. Look at the gender ratio in the rest of your government, your corporations, your institutions, and tell me there’s no discrimination. It doesn’t just happen in that magical faraway land ‘over there’. It happens here.
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Not discriminated against??? Are you for real?
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Prime Minister – Female
Governor General – Female
Richest Person in Australia – Female
Think doing alright.
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So it’s ok that 20% of Australian women will be sexually assaulted?
But your right, we have high achieving women so we should accept the likelihood that we will be raped at some point in our lives, and that the perpetrator most likely won’t be prosecuted (I’m already part of that 20%, in case you were wondering).
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A wild Strawman appears!
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I find it highly offensive that you would refer to my experience as a rape victim as ‘a wild strawman’.
It’s because of men like you that women like me are feminists.
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Another strawman.
You equated Joey’s statement of women doing alright as calling the amount of rape in Australia as ‘ok’. This wasn’t what he said. This is a strawman.
You then called my identification of the strawman as referring to your status as a rape victim. This is another strawman.
You are allowed to feel however you like, but you still misrepresented both of our statements.
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Joey suggested that because of three success stories women in Australia are ok. I pointed out one of a multitude of issues that indicates that women’s experiences in this country are not ok.
Perhaps you are the one with a so-called strawman.
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This is a sad statistic and I cannot imagine the pain of being sexually assaulted and not having the perpetrator brought to jutice. My mother and other members of her family were sexual abuse victims and one of the things my mother was very upset about was the fact that she knew many male sex abuse victims and domestic violence victims who were male and felt too afraid to speak up about it because of fear of appearing weak, being labeled as gay or having people expect that because they were abused, they would go on to be abusers.
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Silence and shame amongst sexual abuse victims is unfortunately common for both genders. My husband and best friend are the only people who know my story (not even my mum).
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No,it isn’t ok,and no one is saying it is. The point is both men and women face prejudice. Is it ok that fathers are demoted to visitors of their children after divorce(but keep that check coming though) Is it ok that men’s health get a fraction of the health funding compared to women? I just heard Hillary Clinton say they are giving $ 80 million to victims of HIV but only female victims. What,the men don’t matter? Is it ok that 93% of workplace deaths are men but nobody talks about it because we are the disposable sex? Is it ok that men commit suicide 6 times the rate of women in what should be the prime of their lives? You speak of top being dominated by men,but what about the very bottom of society? The vast majority of people who are homeless,eating out of garbage cans,are men. I don’t hear feminists concerned about them.Is it ok that I can’t take my granddaughter to the park without somebody giving me a dirty look? Eek! It’s an older man with a girl! Call the authorities! Must be a creeper! Is it ok that society has become nearly pathological in it’s man-bashing? Is it ok that male sexuality is portrayed as gross,dirty,and predatory. I am not saying that women don’t face prejudice. They do. But so do we men. I love all the women in my life,but I wish the pro-women’s movement was more pro-woman and less anti-man. Until feminism addresses all gender prejudice-no thanks.
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Unless you are one of those three, I don’t quite see your point.
And if you *are*, then surely you realise that the rest of us (with 2 exceptions) aren’t?
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Joey’s point is that women in Australia are able to achieve whatever they like; being female is no longer a barrier in that respect.
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Yes I am grateful of all the women who have come before me and of what they achieved, as I am of the men who fought for our country and rights in general. I don’t call myself a feminist. I don’t need a label. I am a woman. And that is enough.
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There are always going to be people in a group, who are going to bring down the entire reputation of the rest of the group.
Muslims for instance. Because of terrorism, some people lump all the Muslims together, when clearly, majority of Muslims aren’t terrorists.
People like Germaine Greer give feminism a bad name. Mouthing off at every opportunity, saying the most inappropriate things. It’s people like her that have made me hesitant to identify myself as a feminist, and also undone the good the was done for women many moons ago.
I will now proudly say I am a feminist.
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for me, the feminist movement went hand in hand with the sexual revolution and, to be honest, I feel both of them brought new oppression as well as freedoms. So while I can have sex with whom I like, there is higher expectation I should have it by the fifth date oh and I should be adventurous and do things like blow jobs and anal.. Women somehow have been increasingly exploited by the freedoms of the sexual revolution. Similarly, whilst I appreciate the ability to open a bank account and work whatever job, I feel sad that noone ever encouraged me to start a family or be support to a husband if I so desired. Sure, you can argue I’m not denied this choice, but it is hardly encouraged. In my late twenties I feel a painful sense of regret that childbearing will be a last minute experience. I think feminism has created excuses for oppressing women in certain ways. Cost of living has magically increased to a point where generally two people MUST work to support a family. Choice seems to be a mask and not a true representation of what we have. Those fertility vampires mentioned recently on mamamia- another by product of feminism. And I think that’s what pisses me of about this concept that I MUST be a feminist. I must accept a lot of negatives that I would argue my mother didn’t have to face, in order to receive a set of rights that men still seem to hold me in contempt for. I still was sexually harrassed at work, still have been sexually assaulted, but also I did things as a teenager that I regret, all by the impowerment of female liberation. My inlaws come from a non-feminist country and my grandmother in law envies my grandparents who married out of love, somehow women’s rights are increasing here slowly, with more acceptance by men, and it seems to be happening naturally, with less negative sides. Maybe this is still the result of your sisterhood, I don’t know, but I’m not a feminist, and I don’t feel compelled to be. Sorry to rant, I just woke up.
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“women’s rights are increasing here slowly, with more acceptance by men, and it seems to be happening naturally”- Now if that was happening naturally, wouldn’t it had happened hundreds of years ago?
That sophie is called feminism!
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It’s not happening by power of movement though, just a gradual change of attitude.Interestingly, they regard ‘western women’ as sexually easy, rude and aggressive in this country. I don’t think there is evidence to claim what is happening as a success of western feminism.
It’s also the feminist world where women are under the highest pressure to be thin, youthful, buxom and hairless. Pubic hair is fairly common in non-feminist countries.
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I get where you are coming from(thought wise). Still, what makes you think that it is a gradual change of attitude as opposed to individuals influencing people opinions through movements? I don’t think that one can change attitude without influence of media/other people/books/movies, etc.
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I totally agree with you, Sophie.
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I agree with you too Sophie. My biggest issue with it is that while women have enjoyed the freedom to do what they want, that has coincided with the oppression of their own babies. We now have a society that expects mothers to work and accepts and even assists financially with the outsourcing of the care of their babies.
When we have a movement that equally considers and protects the rights of babies who need their mothers, I might sign up…until then, I’m happy not to identify as a feminist.
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Damn straight! Totally agree!
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I am a feminist for most of the reasons that Jamila outlines above.
I don’t think it makes you less attractive to males but then my perspective is as a married person so I don’t have to worry about finding a partner. I also believe that my husband is a feminist whether he realises or not. Any man who does the night feeds for his baby overnight so his wife, who’s experiencing PND, can get some solid sleep, surely has to be, when he then gets up & goes to work. I know that many women do this & it’s considered normal & no big deal. But for a man to be this supportive is much rarer.
Feminism is about more than just the rights that we take for granted. It’s also about having the respect for those who’ve come before you whether they were militant or quietly doing good deeds that allow us to choose whether we work or stay home, whether we birth or terminate, whether we live in oppressive or supportive relationships. It’s not a dirty word. It’s something to be celebrated.
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Excellent article!!
My mother, in the late 70′s was forced to resign as a teacher when she was pregnant with me. In the early 70′s the goverent had finally got rid of the rule that married women has to resign. She remembers being asked why she was going to uni when she was just going to get married and have children anyway. My grandparents supported and encouraged and were so proud of her at uni.
We have come so far and I’m proud to call myself a feminist in honor o those who fought to change the world in one generation for me. There is still so much more to do.
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Oh Jam Jam, this gave me goose bumps and made me teary! What an amazing article and you said everything I think about this topic. It breaks my heart when I hear women say that aren’t feminists or hate the whole feminism thing. The bottom line is that if you believe in equal rights for women, YOU ARE A FEMINIST!
What people fail to understand is that is takes extremism to get a middle ground. If we didn’t have women protesting and burning bras and all the other so called radical actions in order to achieve equal rights for women, we still wouldn’t have them. You have to fight hard against injustice. Do you think women would have been allowed to vote had a few people just sat quietly and muttered, “oh wouldn’t it be nice if we could vote”? It never would have happened! It took people to challenge the status quo and show that an injustice was being done. Just as it took radical action to abolish racial segregation.
If you are one of those women or men who can’t stand the idea of being a feminist, please, please just take a moment to ask yourself, “do I believe in equal rights for women?” and if your answer is yes then you are feminist and I promise you, that is not a bad thing! In fact it is a great thing, for being a feminist really means you believe in equal rights for all. As a mother of three boys I want to raise them to know they can achieve anything, just as all the women in their life can too!
Thanks so very much Jamila, from this Gen X, leg shaving, barely any making wearing, stay at home mum with three university degrees, out and proud feminist!
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Great comment Sarah. So true, what you say about middle ground.
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Thanks Jam Jam (I know I have said it before, but I adore this nickname!) And thanks for your response, it means a lot!
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If you are one of those women or men who can’t stand the idea of being a feminist, please, please just take a moment to ask yourself, “do I believe in equal rights for women?” and if your answer is yes then you are feminist and I promise you, that is not a bad thing!
I reject this line of thinking and actually find this offensive.
I believe in equal rights for women, but I have strong feelings of revulsion at you even attempting to get me to identify as a feminist. Your movement has done so much to harm men that I feel like a black man being pressured to identify as KKK.
I think you’re underestimating the emotional loading that feminism has for some people. There are many men that feel as I do.
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“Your movement has done so much to harm men that I feel like a black man being pressured to identify as KKK.”
Wow.
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Wow indeed Gracie, that one made. My jaw hit the floor!
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My sister accused me of being the same as a white supremacist because I’m a feminist. I thought she was the only one hurtful and ignorant enough to say such a thing… ugh
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As a researcher you’re well aware of some of the vitriolic misandry directed at men by radical elements. You’re aware that they also call for horrific crimes to be committed against male children.
What possible emotional reaction would you expect someone to have when you attempt to force association with that movement?
Don’t strawman what I said into a personal attack and play the victim card. I’m allowed to feel however I want about your movement and I won’t change my mind as long as you make no attempt to expel or reign in the crazies in your midst.
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But I do actually feel really hurt by being associated with a group like the KKK! That is an awful thing to equate feminism with. It wounds me that anyone would say something like that. The KKK are brutal, racist, vile, inhuman scum of the earth. The atrocities inflicted by them make me sick to my stomach. To hear my own sister say it, to hear anybody say it… it’s just awful.
The saying goes, “Feminism is the radical notion that women are people.” It’s expanded to include all sorts of marginalised groups, including those victimised by the KKK. And I’m sorry, but you’re wrong: feminism does try to “reign in the crazies”. Feminists are dedicated to lifelong learning and calling people out when they’re wrong. We’re critical of our kind. We know that everyone makes mistakes and we do our best to have a healthy sense of discussion in the feminist community about our words and actions.
And I’m sorry, but I don’t know what you’re talking about when you talk about feminists calling for crimes against male children. Never heard of it. Please give me an example with evidence, because I’m genuinely interested to know what you’re referring to.
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Sorry ‘another anon guy’ but by comparing my statements as being akin to pressuring you if you were a black man to join the KKK are beyond ludicrous. I don’t get offended easily but that offends me to my core. In fact so much so that I’m not even going to bother to say any more on that.
Of course you don’t have to identify yourself as a feminist, but if you truly believe in equal rights for women then I believe you are a feminist. You can reject that all you want but to me the two are synonymous. I don’t care if you don’t like it, that’s my belief and you are allowed yours. The bottom line is that I am just glad that we are on the same page when it comes down to equality, that is what I care about more.
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I made a link to some documented evidence of the attitudes of more radical feminists including calls for male infanticide, mass sterilisations and chemical castration etc, but it was caught in moderation.
I think you can understand why I wouldn’t want to share the same label as people like that and how it would relate to self-loathing.
I still stand by my support for equal rights for all.
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And you think feminists are feral? You are doing a superb job of sounding just as fringe as the elusive psychofeminists you are railing against. I have somehow lived 46 years without meeting these castrators and murderers that you seem to think are lurking wherever women’s rights are being upheld. I haven’t even been trivially discriminated against as a man, unless you include not being allowed to go to the pool during women’s hour! Just because you can’t get away with walking all over women doesnt mean you are “damaged”. Get over yourself!
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If you believe in equal rights for men, you’re a male rights activist. Would you like to be labeled an MRA?
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I think it’s beyond offensive that you (with nobody actively trying to segregate you or KILL YOU.. ) made that comparison.
You are delusional!
I usually read your comments and think about the points you raise, but you just totally lost me.
Just because there are a few men out there who illogically believe that feminism is to men what the kkk is to black people does NOT make it true.
Go and say that to a black person and see what reaction you get.
Seriously. You have lost touch with reality.
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Go back and read what I said. I’m talking about the emotions felt when you attempt to label someone from one group as a member of another group that actually hates the first group.
If nothing else you can take away the strength of feeling that some men have about feminism.
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It’s an unacceptable analogy to use regardless of how you intend it.
And it’s a completely delusional to compare what the kkk have done to black people to your emotions about feminism.
KKK have murdered, tortured and raped people. They have bombed places. They have killed children. They are considered to be a terrorist organization. The are a hate group.
You are out of your fucking mind if you think you can compare the effect that feminism has on your feelings to what a black person feels about the KKK.
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You do not have to agree with EVERY feminist to call yourself one. Do those that identify as Muslim all agree with the extremists who believe they’re called to suicide bomb? Of course not! The VAST majority of feminists do not share the views of a few extremists that hate on men.
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Totally agree. How easily we forget the struggles that our mothers and grandmothers went through, just so we could work and mother and do whatever we want to do.
I celebrate that Yahoo has the foresight to employ a pregnant ceo. It gives hope to other driven, intelligent mothers that there are companies out there that will take a chance on us.
It is a shame that a mighty word has ended up with negative (militant) connotations. On the other hand, advertising tells us that girl babies are more fashionable than boy babies, so perhaps the next generation of children will finally have equality. Or maybe that tells us that there will always be a fight for equality and history will always favour one over the other, sometimes men, sometimes women. But I hope not.
We are equal – different, but equal.
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Sing it, sister!
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Ani Difranco says it best…..
People, we are standing at ground zero
of the feminist revolution.
Yeah, it was an inside job,
stoic and sly;
one we’re supposed to forget
and downplay and deny
but i think the time is nothing
if not nigh
to let the truth out
coolest f-word ever deserves a fucking shout!
i mean
why can’t all decent men and women
call themselves feminists?
out of respect
for those who fought for this
i mean, look around
we have this
yes
i love my country
by which i mean
i am indebted joyfully
to all the people throughout its history
who have fought the government to make right
where so many cunning sons and daughters
our foremothers and forefathers
came singing through slaughter
came through hell and high water
so that we could stand here
and behold breathlessly the sight
how a raging river of tears
is cutting a grand canyon of light
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gotta love ani
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I LOVE this post.
I am continually disheartened at women who claim they ‘don’t need feminism’ or, ‘feminism is for man-haters.’ I do my best to explain WHY it is still so important but it doesn’t seem to make much of a difference….
With all we’ve gained, people have lost sight, or don’t care how far there is still to go.
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It’s interesting that you put Melinda Tankard Reist in that gallery, considering that only a couple of months ago there was a debate on this very website as to whether she could be considered a feminist based on her pro-life views.
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YES!!!!!!! Stands up and applauds
Awesome! Exactly!
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Fabulous, fabulous rant Jamila! Miranda Kerr stated in The Age last weekend that she doesn’t think she is a feminist either, for much the same reasons as Marissa Mayer. Thanks Jamila for your wonderful, articulate writing – I am proud to say that I am definitely a feminist, and so is my husband and my two sons.
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You nailed it!! I love this in particular;
“What’s even worse is that we are now seeing women use their rejection of the feminist label as a way to endear themselves to men.” So true! I read an interview with Miranda Kerr on the weekend and she also doesn’t identify as a feminist – it’s crazy!
I’m raising my 11 yo son to be a feminist as well as my 8 yo daughter.
Love your work.
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People, and women in particular, no longer know what feminism means. And if someone like Marissa Mayer can say she’s not a feminist then the world has gone mad.
Great post Jamila -all absolutely spot on.
I am feminist. Always was and alway will be
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I want to take the oath too- I’m a feminist and proud of it. SO proud of it and SO SO proud and immensely grateful for all the women who have paved the way for us. And so proud of you Jamila. Thank you for articulating this all so brilliantly.
I think this could be my favourite piece of writing on Mamamia ever. And that is saying something.
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Standing ovation. Fist pump. Yee ha.
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Love that you have awarded it a fist pump Mia. I must confess to actually doing just that when I read it!
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I am a feminist and proud of it!
“As a single, working woman in 2012, I stand on the shoulders of giants. I stand on the shoulders of the women who went before me. And I am grateful to them.”
AMEN!
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Standing on the shoulderrs of giants is a quote from Bernard of Chartres in the 12th century and next spoken by Sir Isaac Newton after he published Principia Mathematica.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants
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I’ve never really identified with the word feminist because, to me, it does have militant, scary and angry connotations.
But this post has given me some food for thought….
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Nice work Jamila.
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Goosebumps! Well written Jamila. xx
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AWESOME post Jamila -took the words right out of my mouth!
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Thanks M!
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Thank you Jamila, for so long I was a little confused about how I felt about feminism, not wanting to identify with the aggressive, militant type. Your article shows myself and other women that we can wear short skirts or jeans and converse or anything we damn well like, be proud, independent, educated, make choices in a lady-like, feminine way and be eternally grateful to our grandmothers, mothers and the countless women before us, that have celebrated and suffered to give this simple right in life. A wonderful accomplishment Jamila, I hope other women and men read your article and have the moment of clarity, when reading it, like I did.
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