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Do you support a woman's right to cheer?

 

 

 

I didn’t know cheerleading existed in Australia.  I mean, I knew it existed – my 12-year-old cousin takes cheerleading classes after school like other girls play soccer or do gymnastics. But what I didn’t know was that it existed on the sidelines of sporting grounds, much like it does in the movies – that women were dancing in short skirts, supporting burly men on the field.

There’s a debate raging at the moment as to whether that should be the case. NRL is one of only a few sports in Australia that have cheerleaders included as part of game day entertainment (the AFL have cheer squads – but they’re more the guernsey-wearing, flag-waving kind of supporters.)

Two passionate opinion pieces have recently been published on the subject of cheerleading and the NRL. One was in support of the practice that gives women “the right to utilise her god-given assets”. The other was against the idea of women dressing “in tight low cutting tops, short skirts, knee high vinyl boots, looking pretty much like, well… hookers”.

In this piece published on radio station Triple M’s website, the “we at Triple M” brigade argued cheerleading was a proud tradition in football. In this post on opinion site The Punch, Sam Squiers argued that cheerleading was an American tradition and that the phenomenon only hit Australian sporting fields in the late ’60s – more than 50 years after the first NRL game.

Squiers suggested cheerleading made people uncomfortable. Triple M said those people didn’t have to watch.

Here’s a little more of what they had to say:

For:

The team at Triple M said it was a woman’s choice to cheer. “Many are passionate fans of rugby league and lifelong fans of their chosen team,” they said and added that women in squads defy the “airhead image of cheerleader” and supplement their cheering passion with rewarding careers and education.

On the subject of feminism, they said: “We live in Australia, a country where a woman can wear what she wants, perform when she wants, and if she gets a kick out of showing her support for her favourite team by strutting her stuff on the field in front of tens of thousands, what kind of woman would we be to deny that right, or suggest she’s a piece of meat for wearing her costume?

“We shouldn’t shame the passionate women of the NRL cheerleading squads, but rather “respect the women and their choices’.”

Jennifer Hawkins was used as an example of why cheerleading is a viable career path (Jennifer was a cheerleader for the Newcastle Knights pre-Miss Universe. “Why should we deny a woman the right to utilise her god-given assets to give her the power to call the shots? Here at Triple M, we support a woman’s decision to pursue a better life, and think no less of Hawkins for utilising her beauty to ensure her financial future,” they said.

There’s one team in the NRL that has a no-cheerleader stance. The South Sydney Rabbitohs said good-bye to their cheerleading squad in 2007. At the time, the team’s co-owner and executive chairman, Peter Holmes a Court said: “I don’t think anyone comes to a game just to look at a little bit of cleavage. No one will miss what we had … because there will be so much more. I think rugby league can appeal to people who aren’t traditional supporters”

Which leads us to the argument against cheerleading.

Against:

They don’t add anything to the game, they’re given no TV air time and they objectify women was the position of Punch writer Sam Squiers. She said it was “baffling that when women can play such big roles in this sport as players, administrators, referees, physios, fans and commentators, why we still have these cheerleaders who do little more than objectify women into bouncing eye-candy?”

She said cheerleading sent the wrong message to young girls. “It basically tells the girls, you too can play a role in Rugby League and one day perform in front of 80,000 people, in a big stadium, under lights, with TV cameras, media and a wide reaching audience…. you just have to dress up in tight low cutting tops, short skirts, knee high vinyl boots, looking pretty much like, well… hookers.”

“The A-League’s use of junior players from clubs to lead out the players onto the field is a worldwide football tradition and it’s a great one. It sends out all the right messages to the public and its viewers both male and female while at the same time encouraging a whole new generation of footballers. Imagine the buzz, excitement and endorsement those kids get from being involved in the game, being on television and most of all, standing side by side, hand in hand with their heroes.”

Focus on the game, she said, that what they people are there to see.

There’s another side to cheerleading that’s garnering more and more discussion. That is, cheerleading itself as a competitive sport. There’s grades and titles – competitors travel around the country . It’s a show of athleticism and agility, much like gymnastics or aerobics. It requires skill.

And it’s different to cheerleading at NRL games… the girls and women are cheering for themselves – not the men on the field.

Are you for or against NRL cheerleading? Bring it.

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169 Comments so far

  1. Zel

    These kind of arguments baffle me. Why do society need to argue on what individuals should or should not be doing?
    If you don’t like cheerleaders, then don’t become a cheerleader.
    If you do – then watch them or become one.
    Or if you don’t care like most people – get on and watch the game already!

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    • LIZO

      maybe there wouldn’t be an issue with the NRL cheerleaders if they were actually cheer leading. what they have in the NRL are dancers NOT cheerleaders, people need to know there is a difference and a big one at that. cheerleaders should lead the cheer that is what their name means!!! theirs nothing sexy about that so cheerleaders cant be skany or anything like that,! Dance is a free style thing and these dancers are just doing what they do – dance

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  2. snowpea

    The whole premise of cheerleading to me is just wrong. The idea that females dance around in skimpy outfits cheering on male sportstars is wrong on so many levels. I just don’t agree with the feminism argument, that if a woman chooses to do this that it is her right. It is about the fundamentals behind what cheerleading signifies- which is objectifying women sexually and it shouldn’t be condoned.

    I could go on about this all day, but I just strongly believe that putting women in bikinis to advertise a mobile telephone commercial for example should not be allowed. This objectification becomes ingrained in society and people need to know that it’s wrong. Women will never achieve equality while there is this mentality.

    Phew.. rant over. :)

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    • Andrew

      How do you feel about that yoghurt ad with Jane Hall where she objectifies men? Is that ok?

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      • Anonymous

        I noticed that last night and commented about it! Pretty hypocritical.

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      • Kris2040

        It’s an awful ad. I find it sleazy and loathe it from males or females, about males or females.

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  3. amyspeak

    I’d like to raise the point that cheerleading can be a way for people with dance or gymnastic backgrounds to actually earn money and do something they enjoy. Dancers and gymnasts that don’t make it to “the next level” often have to push their training/talent/passion aside and get other jobs because of the lack of employment options.

    Employment in the arts industries is hard enough, so if cheerleading is another avenue that some people want to take then I’m all for it.

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    • Anonymous

      I agree Amyspeak.

      An additional point is that the outfits that cheerleaders wear are very similar to what dancers wear. Dancers in stage productions must wear very skimpy outfits, because it’s about being able to see and appreciate what they’re doing with their bodies.

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      • green trees

        saying that dancers MUST wear tight, skimpy clothes is simply not true.

        have you ever seen “so you think you can dance”? not all the costumes were tight and/or skimpy and even when they had less revealing clothes on you could still see how great they were.

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        • Anonymous

          Okay, ‘often’ rather than ‘must’. And ‘a bit skimpy’ instead of ‘very skimpy’

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  4. frangipani

    I think cheerleading at football games is fine but the outfits the girls wear could certainly do with some attention. Less hoochy-mama, and more serious athlete and that would improve it greatly. Cheerleading takes skill and athleticisim and I think it would be really cool if we could have cheerleading comps like we have gymnastics or dance comps. That’s more recongition of the effort and skill that goes into it than working it out in short spurts at a footy game when the emphasis is not the footy players and not the cheerleaders. They deserve more respect than that.

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  5. Trog

    Frankly, I wouldn’t blink if cheerleaders disappeared off the scene. They’re usually too far away for a decent perve anyway.

    I also think that this is an article that invites prescription of what women should do with their lives. There are members of both sexes who just want to do something physical for their livelihoods and they should be allowed to just get on with it.

    There’s probably more money in cheering a professional sports team than the competitions.

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  6. Mooner

    When I was younger I was heavily into gymnastics but didn’t enjoy competing individually so joined a display gymnastic team. Trouble was there wasn’t much opportunity to perform except a few school fairs, local Xmas parades and twice we went to overseas display gymnastic festivals. I dreamed of being able to cheerlead.

    I don’t see anything wrong with cheerleading as a proper young person’s sport like it is in the States. Although the girls’ skirts are relatively short they generally wear turtle-neck tops – it’s a proper sporting uniform like a tennis dress is. And boys participate too.

    I can understand though why people feel uncomfortable with the type of cheerleading that happens sometimes on sporting fields where the girls are dressed in very revealing outfits, smeared in glitter gel & fake tan. It does have a bit of an ‘ick’ factor. However, these are not the 12-17 year olds, these are 18-20-somethings. I suppose the best of the best cheerleaders from school want to take it to the next level & make it a career and this is their only avenue at present.

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    • AJ

      Spot on! This to me is the problem. If you actually want to be a cheerleader, there isn’t an avenue for you this way and you’re forced to do this kind of shaking/grinding in order to just get ‘experience’, rather than actually improving your skills in a way that is beneficial to you. There is no outlet for that kind of athleticism and for more aerobic cheerleading at the moment.

      The problem with the NRL cheer squads isn’t that the women want to cheer, it’s that this is the only way they’re allowed to cheer.

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      • Kris2040

        The Eels used to have mixed squads. I haven’t been to the footy for years though, so don’t know what is around now. They were more of the gymnastic type, doing flips and stuff rather than trying to be low rent Pussycat Dolls.

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      • Anonymous

        They don’t have to do anything. Professional cheerleading isn’t even big in the US. Once you finish college, the only cheering jobs out there are very similar to what we have here (eg. the Laker girls). I don’t see why that should change. We can’t create jobs around everything people want to do. If these girls want to do more advanced cheering, no one’s stopping them from doing it as a hobby.

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        • Mooner

          I agree that we can’t ‘create jobs’ for everything anybody wants to do. But a professional sport (or even just a sport that is taken more seriously) can only emerge if cheerleaders are allowed outlets with audiences for their hobby-sport to get a fan-base going. The traditional outlet for this has been half-time shows at sports games. I do not like the half-naked booty-shaking kind of cheerleading but it I would love to see serious sportspeople being allowed to cheer at half-time shows at sports games.

          It would be great if an actual highschool/professional cheerleader was reading this and could comment though! I am just assuming that this is what they would like, but perhaps they want to distance themselves completely from the male-dominated sportsfield and confine cheerleading to competitions within gymnasiums?

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  7. Rach

    If ‘feminism’ means we have to be against anything that might highlight us as female/sexy/doing something that men don’t do, then I’m not sure I want to be a part of that. (I’m only interpreting that this is a feminist debate, ignore if not).

    We live in a free society. All we seem to want to do is squash choice and freedom.

    I wouldn’t choose to do it myself, but I am not going to determine whether they can or not. There is a much larger percentage of women in society who are inspirational without displaying their ‘assets’ for our girls to look up to, so let’s not get too upset about the few who do.

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    • Anonymous

      Feminism is not about that – it is more about eliminating the objectification of women in various ways. If you look at something and think it would be equally cool or totally ok if men did it in the same way as women then that is a good barometer of what is ok. Men doing gymnastic and dance moves at a footy or netball game wearing hotpants and no shirts – is that ok with you? Would that be objectification of men? Would we fail to appreciate the skill of what they are doing because we are focussed on their muscly chests etc? Just think about it.

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      • Sailorgirl

        Totally agree with your point..
        The visual of men cheering at a netball game in hot pants and no shirts gave me a bit of a giggle..

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      • Miriam

        I don’t think we can or should deny that some women are sexually attractive and some men would like to have sex with them.

        Sex – propagation of the species – is pretty much our most basic drive on this planet. Why try to prevent people from thinking about sex when they look at women?

        As long as these girls are respected for whatever mental, social and technical skills they display when they place themselves in other arenas, and as long as nobody wrongly assumes that just because 10 girls shook their booties in front of them, all women want to have sex with them (cos that would be ridiculous, right?), what’s the problem?

        Sorry, but we can’t possibly appreciate every person’s inspiration qualities, male or female, just by looking at them. We can tell whether we’d like to have sex with them or not. Surely men think about this more than women do – evolution, again. However that’s not to say it is a bad thing, as long as women are respected for their abilities when needed, and their sex appeal when they want to be.

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      • faerygodmother

        The objectification argument annoys me because if you follow the idea through then as feminists who don’t wish to be objectified we should never try to look attractive. Looking attractive does not automatically equal sex object.

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        • Miriam

          Agreed Faerygodmother. I’d like to kiss you in a non-sexual way :)

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    • a

      Rach, can I recommend you read Female Chauvinist Pigs by Ariel Levy? This book has changed my life! She talks about raunch culture and how sexual liberation and feminism are often mistaken as the same thing and, while they are connected, they are very different.

      Levy says that it’s okay for women to outwardly do ‘sexy’ things but we must question why they do it. Often when women do ‘sexy things’, cheerleading in this instance, it becomes disconnected from their sexuality and it becomes about the male sexual needs etc. Not the act but the motivations behind it make it anti-feminist.

      I’m sorry if I haven’t really explained it properly, in fact, I know I haven’t (I’m definitely not as articulate as the author).

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  8. Fairy

    Hi there,

    I think if cheerleading in Australia followed in the footsteps of the American Cheerleaders say Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders who are world renowned as the best there is, then maybe people would look at them differently.

    The DCC set a very good example for young girls and give them great role models to look up to.

    If our cheerleaders in Australia do the same thing and are given more credit for their talent and what they do to get the crowd at the grounds going I think people would enjoy what they do and not judge them on their outfits alone.

    Cheerleading requires a great deal of talent and ability, not everyone can do it. I know I am certainly not capable of it myself as I am no dancer or gymnast.

    Cut them a bit of slack and look at the USA for inspiration to get our girls where they should be.

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    • Mooner

      I agree Fairy. People don’t seem to realise it is a sport & only see it as some male-worshipping/eye-candy thing that happens on the sidelines of the main event. Not the case in the States at all.

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  9. Anonymous

    What about the NBL cheerleaders?? They are fantastic!! The Sydney kings Harlequins by far the better ones, but I would put money on it that they are all professional dancers. A few of the other NBL teams cheerleaders are ‘pole dancey’ but others are technical, and have include some hip hop type males

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  10. a

    “Why should we deny a woman the right to utilise her god-given assets to give her the power to call the shots?”

    So…basically, women should use their bodies to gain power?

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  11. AFL is great

    I have been to a couple of rugby league games, and whilst I do not object to the cheerleaders per se, I do object to the comments like “I would like a bit of that” or “check out the blondes arse/tits”etc etc. I do not want to go and watch a competitive sport where all I can hear is men drooling, ogling and objectifying women. Not my cup of tea. Needless to say, I do not go or do not take my kids to the rugby any more for that very reason and will stick to my beloved AFL, where fortunately, the cheerleader did not suit. If rugby wants more female bums on seats, they really need to turf the glamazons.

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    • Kris2040

      Rugby league has cheerleaders. Rugby (union) doesn’t. Vastly different cultures.

      I know it’s a hard concept for AFL people to get their heads around, but Rugby League and Rugby are incredibly different, and it’s quite insulting to lump them in together.

      Re your comment – Do you also object when women make similar comments about footy players on the field?

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      • Girl

        Hey I’m an AFL girl, but I also love rugby, but not league. Some of us can tell the difference!

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        • Kris2040

          Yeah I know, but it ALWAYS happens on any posts about sport. Melbourne even has a Rugby team of it’s own now, and there’s still so many people who don’t bother to differentiate!

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          • Girl

            Oh I know. It drives me nuts too! Just wanted to reassure you that some of us get it :) I think I also have a little chip on my shoulder, because being a girl, people often assume I don’t really know about sport-so annoying.

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            • Kris2040

              I hear ya! As annoying as the girls who go “I’m a girl, I’m not into sport!”.

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      • AFL is great

        Ahhhh…..yes, you rugby purists get very pedantic when us silly AFL supporters cannot differentiate between Rugby and League. My bad! I love Rugby! Would love to get to a Rebels game eventually or go to the Bledisloe Cup. I even like league as a game, but don’t want myself or my children to be subjected to sexist and crude comments from people surrounding us. As for objectifying footy players – I go to the footy every week with hubby and daughter to do exactly what I plan to do – watch the footy. The whole “cor blimey, look at his arse in those shorts” scenario doesn’t even enter my head. And yes, I have heard the girls have a bit of an ogle over the boys, but not in earshot of families or the opposite sex for that matter. Us ladies do know how to be a little more discreet with our comments. :)

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  12. Kateateight

    Sure there are things I don’t like about cheerleaders – the terrible hair, makeup, outfits, hideous fake tans, the idea that they are eye candy, etc.

    And if an NRL team doesn’t want to have cheerleaders, good on them! I didn’t realise the Rabbitohs didn’t have them, and for some reason it makes me like them a bit more

    On the other hand, if people want to cheer – let them cheer. I wouldn’t want to ban it.

    The NRL has a terrible image when it comes to how they ‘respect’ women – I wonder if there is any link between their attitudes and the fact that they have these scantily clad women ‘cheering’ their awesomeness whenever they play? I’m not saying there is – I’m just wondering…

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    • AJ

      To me, there’s nothing stopping them from cheering, but the way that the cheering is organised is that at the moment they have to be glamourous and goodlooking and then on top of that they make them wear those outfits. What if you want to cheer, are athletic and trained but not particularly goodlooking, and object to the outfit? The point is, IMO it’s not a problem with the women wanting and being allowed to cheer, it’s a problem with the arrangement of HOW they’re allowed to cheer. Either you dress up this way and conform to their standards of beauty, or you cheer in the stands along with everyone else. That’s not about what women want, that’s about what men want.

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  13. Anonymous

    NRL isn’t the only sport in Australia. The NBL have cheerleaders too.

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  14. Lu

    Thats the main reason I’m happy my kids follow South Sydney, because they dont have cheerleaders.
    I put cheerleading in the same category as kids beauty pageants and those over the top dance competitions where little girls have spray tans, heavy makeup and dress like strippers. Its all just a bit low rent.

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    • Singleinoz

      If it was Russell Crowe’s decision I would think it had something more to do with money (weren’t they going broke when he bought them?) vs. any moral obligations!

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      • Alexandra

        They got rid of cheerleaders in 2007 and replaced them with a drum band. Not sure if they still have the dummers, but they also scrapped poker machines in their club so I wouldn’t say they’re motivated completely by profit.

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        • Lu

          I think they still have the drum band.

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      • Lu

        I doubt money would be behind it, most of the girls probably do it for the love of it and the hope of being discovered, not for the income.

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      • cos

        You’re wrong actually. Russell Crowe produced a documentary on changing the culture at the South Sydney. The club specifically got rid of the cheer leaders because they thought there was no place for them and they weren’t promote the new image the club were aiming for. As someone else mentioned below they also removed all the poker machines for moral reasons also. It was a bloody difficult decision for them because it was bringing alot of money into the club.

        The documentary highlighted what a really nice guy Russell is.

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        • May!

          “Russell Crowe produced a documentary on changing the culture at the South Sydney” …. “The documentary highlighted what a really nice guy Russell is”

          lol.

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          • Kris2040

            South Side Story has actually been getting repeated on Sunday arvos on ABC1 if you’re interested.

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  15. Bookie

    I’d probably support cheerleading more if it was actually more like the American-style cheering – where it is a sport in it’s own right, very physically demanding and involves tumbling and gymnastics.

    Having been to many, many NRL games in the past 5-10 years, I’ve got to say… the cheerleaders are just not very good. They don’t have a big range of moves and usually can’t even keep in time with each other. There’s a lot of pole-dancer-style hair-tossing, hip wiggles and the usual can-can line which is NEVER in time.
    As far as I can tell, the NRL cheerleaders are really only there as eye-candy, and a chance for the NRL to gain some more sponsor dollars by having their logos on the cheer uniforms.

    I mean, if they enjoy it, then all power to them. I would never suggest banning it. I just don’t think it’s very well done or adds anything to the game itself.

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    • AFL is Great

      Agreed. American style cheerleading is awesome. That takes talent and athleticism.

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  16. May!

    I think cheerleading as a sport is great – you’re right, it’s all about gymnastics and it takes a lot of skill and dedication and teamwork. The problem is, from what I’ve seen attending Broncos games, the NRL cheerleaders don’t seem to showcase much of this athletic ability. They do a little bit of dancing (shake their booty) and walk around waving at the crowd. I mean how much can they do in big chunky white boots?

    When the Titan’s started up a few years ago, I had friends who went to a match and said their cheerleaders were great – they wore sneakers (not heels) and did actual lifts etc. I would be much more supportive of cheerleading at NRL games if this was the case, but as it is now I think they just seem kind of obsolete – As Petert Holmes said, I doubt anyone would miss them if they stopped.

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  17. Cait

    Each to their own in my opinion.

    If your idea of a good time is dancing scantily clad in a field, have fun doing that. I personally have better things to do than that, and could think of more interesting places and reasons to wear vinyl boots.

    I do disagree though that Jen Hawkins is a good example of ‘making it’ being a cheerleader. There are scores more people who have made it as a model without being a cheerleader/Beam girl/promo model at the start of their career. Good on Jen for moving past her cheerleading days, but I wouldnt attempt to associate cheerleading with winning Miss Universe based on Hawkins alone.

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  18. bee

    Always thought the NRL cheerleaders looked tacky and a little skanky but always enjoyed watching them for some reason. I must admit though, my boyfriend plays AFL and I’m mighty glad that his code is a cheerleader free zone! :P
    Also just a little FYI- basketball also has cheerleaders in Australia

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  19. Bradley

    If they wanna be cheerleaders….let ‘em be cheerleaders !

    If they don’t wanna be cheerleaders, that’s okay as well. Do I support freedom of choice ? Absolutely. Am I going to condemn or condone the choice to be or not to be….no way.

    Have never been to an NRL game.

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    • Kaz

      Exactly my thoughts, Bradley. Plus I would add, if anyone is worried about the bad example to my (and other people’s) daughters, they needn’t be. We’re smart enough to be able to discuss the feminist perspective on it. I think we can cope! Live and let live.

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