I didn’t know cheerleading existed in Australia. I mean, I knew it existed – my 12-year-old cousin takes cheerleading classes after school like other girls play soccer or do gymnastics. But what I didn’t know was that it existed on the sidelines of sporting grounds, much like it does in the movies – that women were dancing in short skirts, supporting burly men on the field.
There’s a debate raging at the moment as to whether that should be the case. NRL is one of only a few sports in Australia that have cheerleaders included as part of game day entertainment (the AFL have cheer squads – but they’re more the guernsey-wearing, flag-waving kind of supporters.)
Two passionate opinion pieces have recently been published on the subject of cheerleading and the NRL. One was in support of the practice that gives women “the right to utilise her god-given assets”. The other was against the idea of women dressing “in tight low cutting tops, short skirts, knee high vinyl boots, looking pretty much like, well… hookers”.
In this piece published on radio station Triple M’s website, the “we at Triple M” brigade argued cheerleading was a proud tradition in football. In this post on opinion site The Punch, Sam Squiers argued that cheerleading was an American tradition and that the phenomenon only hit Australian sporting fields in the late ’60s – more than 50 years after the first NRL game.
Squiers suggested cheerleading made people uncomfortable. Triple M said those people didn’t have to watch.
Here’s a little more of what they had to say:
The team at Triple M said it was a woman’s choice to cheer. “Many are passionate fans of rugby league and lifelong fans of their chosen team,” they said and added that women in squads defy the “airhead image of cheerleader” and supplement their cheering passion with rewarding careers and education.
On the subject of feminism, they said: “We live in Australia, a country where a woman can wear what she wants, perform when she wants, and if she gets a kick out of showing her support for her favourite team by strutting her stuff on the field in front of tens of thousands, what kind of woman would we be to deny that right, or suggest she’s a piece of meat for wearing her costume?
“We shouldn’t shame the passionate women of the NRL cheerleading squads, but rather “respect the women and their choices’.”
Jennifer Hawkins was used as an example of why cheerleading is a viable career path (Jennifer was a cheerleader for the Newcastle Knights pre-Miss Universe. “Why should we deny a woman the right to utilise her god-given assets to give her the power to call the shots? Here at Triple M, we support a woman’s decision to pursue a better life, and think no less of Hawkins for utilising her beauty to ensure her financial future,” they said.
There’s one team in the NRL that has a no-cheerleader stance. The South Sydney Rabbitohs said good-bye to their cheerleading squad in 2007. At the time, the team’s co-owner and executive chairman, Peter Holmes a Court said: “I don’t think anyone comes to a game just to look at a little bit of cleavage. No one will miss what we had … because there will be so much more. I think rugby league can appeal to people who aren’t traditional supporters”
Which leads us to the argument against cheerleading.
They don’t add anything to the game, they’re given no TV air time and they objectify women was the position of Punch writer Sam Squiers. She said it was “baffling that when women can play such big roles in this sport as players, administrators, referees, physios, fans and commentators, why we still have these cheerleaders who do little more than objectify women into bouncing eye-candy?”
She said cheerleading sent the wrong message to young girls. “It basically tells the girls, you too can play a role in Rugby League and one day perform in front of 80,000 people, in a big stadium, under lights, with TV cameras, media and a wide reaching audience…. you just have to dress up in tight low cutting tops, short skirts, knee high vinyl boots, looking pretty much like, well… hookers.”
“The A-League’s use of junior players from clubs to lead out the players onto the field is a worldwide football tradition and it’s a great one. It sends out all the right messages to the public and its viewers both male and female while at the same time encouraging a whole new generation of footballers. Imagine the buzz, excitement and endorsement those kids get from being involved in the game, being on television and most of all, standing side by side, hand in hand with their heroes.”
Focus on the game, she said, that what they people are there to see.
There’s another side to cheerleading that’s garnering more and more discussion. That is, cheerleading itself as a competitive sport. There’s grades and titles – competitors travel around the country . It’s a show of athleticism and agility, much like gymnastics or aerobics. It requires skill.
And it’s different to cheerleading at NRL games… the girls and women are cheering for themselves – not the men on the field.
Are you for or against NRL cheerleading? Bring it.



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I go to the nrl and stuff to watch the sport not cheerleaders who have no talent all they can do is swing there arms and legs around nothing worse then trying to watch the game and having to have to c them bring in the chubby cheerleaders then I mite watch
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wasn’t the whole point of feminism to give women equal rights to chose what they wanted to do and how they wanted to do it, unless of course they were hurting anyone else.
So what if we want to strip our clothes off and dance in a stadium, or on a pole, or even in a cha cha competition. It’s our right, so back off.
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Those girls who call cheerleaders sluts are just making generalisations about the frequency in their sex lives based on their apparent ability to attract the opposite sex because of their appearance. Whether a girl is getting more action than you shouldn’t make you mad unless you are jealous. Would you call a male condescending words because of his ability to attract women? Derogatory comments about attractive females from other females sparked from jealousy and insecurity are what perpetuates the unequal balance of sexual expression between male and females. Get some self love and you will find less of a need to bag out girls who enjoy dancing, attention and playing dress ups.
Why is a woman’s desire to show of her beauty and skill in dance any less worthy than a man showing off his muscles and skill on the field. In my opinion just as much skin is showing for either gender.
Cheerleading was initially a male dominated sport and today in the US where the CEO’s of the sporting teams actually understand what cheerleaders are and use them in their capacity, the teams remain at about a 50/50 split between male and female.
The purpose of cheerleaders is to hype up the crowd, add excitement and entertainment with their big personalities, skills and chants, and visual effects.
If the CEO’s of any of the sporting facilities that used cheerleaders understood the concept a little better they would capitalize on talent that offers that package.
Below is a link of the top Australian cheerleading team representing Australia in an international competition last year beating many American teams at the SPORT.
Cheerleading is a sport in its own right, athletes compete have tournaments nationally and internationally and worldwide. Initially cheerleaders were used only to entertain the crowds at major sporting events but after the skills have increased so dramatically in the recent years. Thousands of youngsters from around the globe are taking to this dangerous, thrilling entertaining sport which requires commitment, teamwork, tumbling jumping, lifting, dancing, fit bodies, entertaining faces, and above all the risk that in any performance you never know if everything in the routine will ‘hit’.
When cheerleading in Australia is understood by top dogs in sport for the skill involved and the entertainment it gives, then perhaps there will be more entertaining cheerleaders exhibited at their sporting matches. Until then the real cheerleaders will be competing and performing around the globe while the rest of the ignorant sport fans see cheerleaders as big boobied blonde haired mini skirts because at the end of the day, god forbid the cheerleaders show more skill then the superstars they are cheering for.
Australian team 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9F3Gz3q_EU
A Top American team 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgFEkQKZ37g
Australia is happy to follow in the footsteps of our US big brother in war, in franchise, in food choices, in diabetes level, and in spending habits. The reason we haven’t followed in their footsteps in cheerleading is because it hasn’t been understood by the decision makers and the belief that there is no equivalent talent in Australia. Cheerleading has already sky rocketed in Australia it will eventually catch up to the US. Until then the talent will be training in gyms and performing for audiences that appreciate instead of criticise.
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Mia should try to watch some competitive cheerleading. I attended the NSW championships last year and was astounded by the agility, skill, fitness and, above all, the amazing team cooperation exhibited by the young women and men. Yes, it’s not only for the girls! Each team included young men. The outfits worn by both men and women were attractive and suitable for the athletic nature of the sport, and not at all revealing – certainly much less revealing than those worn by runners at the Olympic Games. I am disappointed that Mia did not research her article more thoroughly.
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Sue, Mia didn’t write the post, Lucy did. And it was about NRL cheerleaders; no one is questioning the cheerleaders’ fitness or agility – just the relevance to the game. Both sides of the argument were put forward. As with any post, comments will go where they will. That’s what makes it so interesting.
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Ahhh the old, tired cheerleader as slut debate. Seems like Mammamia again only cares about upping pageviews…
Yawn
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First of all I’m usually a fan of mamamia articles but sadly this article is quite unoriginal and unresearched.. disappointing..
I have been both a football cheerleader and a competitive cheerleader (both are completely different).
In regards to NRL cheerleading, the people who make negative comments about them are usually fat, unfit and just jealous. These girls train every week for free, get paid basically nothing for being at the game and are out there in the rain and cold supporting their team. They are also fit and talented dancers – I think that deserves respect not insults. All the cheerleaders I have known over the years are not bimbos or sluts they are educated, smart and beautiful girls with careers.. And to make it clear, they are not allowed to fraternise with the footballers.
Competitive cheer on the other hand is the fastest growing sport in Australia. It comprises of gymnastics, dance and dangerous and difficult stunts involving throwing people in the air. It is definately a sport for athletes not just girls ‘cheering for themselves’ as this article says
That is all !
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Totally with you on the “fat, unfit and just jealous’ idea. The main people I have heard bleating their dislike for football cheerleaders tend to fit this discription perfectly. A little bit of self esteem issues around I think…
No one forces girls to become cheerleaders. And the ones I have met or know are always very talented dancers who work their butts off for very little reward.
Competitive cheer is AMAZING. I’m an ex-gymnast and I am in awe of the amount of athleticism required for this sport!
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Every time someone pulls out the ‘oh you’re just fat, ugly, unfit and jealous’ bullshit, it just makes me sad realising how much you WANT people to be jealous of you. Enjoy your sport, but don’t be pretentious about it.
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I wouldn’t pass an NRL cheerleading audition, but I don’t think I’m fat or unfit. I don’t label cheerleaders (or anyone) as sluts. I simply feel there are better things for sporty girls to do. Of course, its not up to me what anyone does – except in the case of my own daughters. The argument is interesting though. And I’m not jealous. If I were fitter and thinner there are a bazillion things I’d do before I signed up for cheerleading. Buying some orange jeans would be first on my list
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Cheerleading is pretty much group stripping but their smalls are kept on. I personally despise seeing them gyrate past on the field. Everyone thinks Cheerleaders are skanks, even those that like to ogle them. The things men say about them is purely disrespectful because at the end of the day they are shaking their asses for them, for free, like skanks do. Get rid of them.
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You sound so ridiculously petulant and jealous, Rachel, that I actually find your comment more disturbing than laughable – are you a misogynist or what?
I’ve been to plenty of NRL games and have never seen the cheergirls `group stripping’ as you have put it, or `gyrating’ past on the field. What I’ve seen is (mostly) talented dancers putting on a performance for the crowd’s entertainment to curb their boredom throughout the pre-game and half-time periods.
I don’t like the stuff they wear, but I respect their decisions to wear it. Who the hell am I to judge?
And the men that I have heard making disrespectful comments about them are misogynistic twits – perhaps you should go sit with them next time, since you obviously have plenty of beef with women yourself.
I’m also pretty darn sure that not `everyone’ thinks that they are `skanks’ so maybe you should stop trying to speak for the majority. You sound foolish.
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I did dancing for 13 years, a lot of my friends are cheerleaders. They’re students and it’s both a hobby and a job for them. I don’t think it should be banned, no-one is forcing anyone to go out and dance in limited clothing. If some people want to do it and are comfortable with it then I think they can and should.
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I personally dont see the problem with utilising your assets to achive a given goal provided you don’t cause any harm. If you are blessed with good looks and can profit from it then more power to you, if you enjoy it. I find myself comparing it with my sister in laws up coming hens night where the waiters will be topless – all just a bit of fun for the girls. Yes, they are being objectified in a way, but so what? They still respect men, love men and don’t think any less of them. I as a male, quite happily admit I love to have a perve, yet I still respect and love and cherish women. We are not all at the lower end of the intelligence spectrum, just the same as the girls.
I read a comment where the girl was a cheer leader and was quite openly wanting to hook up with footballers for the body and quite possibly the dollars, yet no one bats an eyelid. Is this not the objectification of men? Perhaps a reflection on the difference in standards society holds on men and women. Perhaps the girl in question really does respect men, but just wants to have some fun? Sound familiar?
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Why are we even discussing this? How small minded and insulting can we get?
First off, comparing cheerleaders to hookers? Hooking is a job, much like cheerleading so I can see the similarity there. Implying anything else is pure misogyny, and yes, women can be misogynistic too.
Two, the idea that cheerleaders are just eye candy. Obviously the person who thinks that has never met an actual cheerleader. Strangely, many of them have brains as well as being incredibly athletic.
It’s about time women stopped judging other women for their choices. How can we ever expect to get ahead as a gender if we can’t stop dragging each other down?
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I read through a few comments and what i saw most was insulting. That being a cheerleader somehow made you instantly pretty and by association stupid. I cheerleaded for 2 years for the Melbourne Tigers. We were the first all brunette team, they even did a story on Basketball Extra about it. We were mostly 17-20 and we were actually dancers most of us sang as well and went on to have careers in musical theatre. If we were pretty it was the bucket of make up and our bodies were thanks to dancing about 40 hours a week between gigs,teaching and the games. Now at 38 i look back and wish i’d realised how cute i was, the second thing is i remember once doing a show (separate to the cheerleading). As i was coming around the side of the room to enter the dance floor a woman started screaming abuse at her boyfriend for looking at us, considering you are supposed to look at a performance. It has always sat uncomfortably with me. While i looked after myself i thought i was fat and hideous, now that i actually am fat and hideous (ha) i wish i had owned it more. I know however that other women believed i owned it and tried to tear me down for it. It never matter how many times you told someone you thought you were ugly or fat someone would feel the need to make you feel worse about yourself. People who didn’t even know me labelled me a man stealer or a whore.
I don’t know why we blame the girls for most of them it’s a gig they aren’t married to the idea. It upsets me that this is a debate. Create jobs for dancers that don’t offend, i remember the comment from the logies. Dancers exist we are people who trained really hard for a really long time to have the shortest career in the world. Now you add to it by tearing any girl who does it to shreds. It breaks my heart for all those kids dancing their hearts out in local ballet school around the country that for all their hard work they will only ever be cut down by the general public. About 100 years ago a dancer, singer or actor was a minor step up from a whore, thanks to the way people are starting to judge in a more puritanical way than the 50′s we have come back around. Makes me glad my dance career is over and i am now a chunkier singer/actor.
ps the pic is of my cheer team. I’ll leave it to you to guess who i am
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I think think this question should have been framed differently.
The discussion seems to be not so much about, does a woman have the right to cheerlead (of course she does) but rather, are cheerleaders in the NRL a good thing for our society?
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I love being a cheerleader, I have the opportunity of scoring a footy player for the evening. Love it!!
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Really? When i was with the Melbourne Tigers (3 million years ago), we had a non fraternisation rule. So if you did want to date a basketballer it had to be on some one else’s team.
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Football must be different. We can do who we want, usually we meet the boys for drinks after a game, where things get heated. Love it, hard bodies, gorgeous men that other women want are right at our finger tips, ready to play. I hope to get one long term , that is my goal.
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We usually catch up with them for drinks after a match at a pub, and thats where opportunities presented themselves. Lots of flirting, drinking, ( good social lubricant ) and fun which led to other things. In general all fun, but sooner or later you want to just hook up with one footy player for the long haul. My aim anyway.
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As a cheerleader myself I want to make it clear that this type of activity is not tolerated at all in most NRL clubs. And not all cheerleaders act in this way, unfortunately it’s girls like this that ruin all of our reputations.
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I completely agree with you. Basketball was the same one girl i know dated a guy from another team and she got fired. Another friend was an NRL cheerleader and she had the same rules. Most of us just enjoy the job for what it is not as a way to catch a man.
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Was he fired too?
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Surely Lara is just being ‘tongue in cheek’ here??
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I think this Lara person is fake. I went out with a footy player years ago and the cheerleaders were all normal nice girls who just had a part time job dancing at the footy… Plus they weren’t oblivious to the way the majority of the guys treated women, so they weren’t really interested in pursuing that kind of thing.
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Cheerleading, no probs. Prancing around as titillating entertainment on the sidelines for the enjoyment of men, no way. Participating in your own exploitation isn’t empowerment!
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Not participating in something you want to do isn’t empowering either.
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Well then perhaps the issue is the costume rather than the act itself? Why do they need bare midriffs and super short skirts/cleavage etc? Their athleticism could speak for itself!
And btw, competitive cheer leading is amazing!
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I think it’s bloody ridiculous. I don’t care how fit they are or how many backflips they do (or is that just the American ones?) or how hard it is to keep that fake smile on their face when they’re going a routine they say is equal to a workout with the Commando. It’s a bunch of pretty (ever see any that aren’t?) girls wearing skimpy outfits dancing for the pleasure of men.
Yes. Me no likey.
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Women have a *right* to cheer? Totally amazed at that. I can’t imagine fighting too hard to hang on to it.
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This is basically one more reason to despise NRL. This objectification of women on the sidelines fits in nicely with the culture of sexual harassment, drug use etc. There’s no way I’d ever encourage children to become involved in NRL.
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Cheerleading alone is a sport. When it’s done at the NRL, it is little more then eye candy.
Also, women’s sports don’t have male cheerleaders do they???
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Well put! In the word’s of Caitlin Moran, when detecting if some sexist bulls**t is afoot, ask: “Are the men doing it?”.
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But then why would we need them? Women just aren’t that “visual” – haven’t you heard…?
A bunch of sexist, patronising bulls#$t.
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I don’t have a huge problem with it, but would I want/encourage my daughters to do it? No bloody way! I would have no problem if it was competitve cheerleading and their is skill and technique involved. In that case it would be that skill and technique that is being celebrated also if you posessed that skill and technique it would not matter what you actually looked like. With NRL cheerleading I think the aesthetic is the first consideration and the dancing isn’t that complex seems to be more jumping up and down shaking pom pom’s (not that with my level of coordination I would be able to do it). Mind you this is my point of view as I never found it much fun to sit amongst the girls on the hill cheering the boys on and following them from sport to sport to worship them, I found it far more fun to get in and play and if they want they can come and watch me. I personally hope to instill that idea in my girls and so far seems to be working.
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Oh and just to add to my comment I don’t think the Jen Hawkins example is that great, not because I have a problem with her ( I think she is lovely) but I do have a MASSIVE problem with Miss Universe and beauty contests in general.
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I’m not against cheer leading as such. I am against the americanisation of our culture. Weren’t we all happy enough just watching the footy before we adopted cheerleading?
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As an avid NRL fan, and a young woman, I really can’t stand cheerleading (in the footy sense, not the competitive sport). I go to the games with my dad, brother, and uncles, and honestly feel really uncomfortable watching them. I am so glad I’m a South’s fan, so we don’t have cheerleaders at home games. I find it so hypocritical that the NRL has ‘women in league’ round where they encourage women to be part of the game and yet still feel it’s acceptable to have girls gyrating around the pitch as half time entertainment. The message I get is that if you are a woman and you like footy, then you’ve got to strip down to be apart of the footy world.
I’m also a huge fan of english football (soccer) and they don’t have cheerleaders, and it certainly doesn’t make the games any less interesting.
Hopefully more clubs follow Souths’ lead!
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I love competitive cheerleading. My friend cheered for the storm a few years back and was part of a squad, can’t remember which one and their routines were amazing.
I gather that cheerleaders at the NRL don’t do impressive routines as to not detract from the reason people are there for, the game itself.
As a female who loves pole dancing/burlesque/lap dance/striptease/dance/gymnastics/aerial hoop/cheerleading etc, i have no issue with cheerleaders at games. They honestly don’t do much and aren’t even that noticeable most of the time.
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I’m not for or against, everyone has the right to choose what they want to do with their lives. I don’t like the way women are objectified in our world but it’s been this way for so long, I can’t see how it will change and as long as you are confident in yourself, then it shouldn’t impact your self esteem. I guess the main thing that is concerning is that young girls see this and think it’s glamourous, like modelling, which in reality it can be very difficult mentally and emotionally.
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I think there is a big difference between cheerleaders at NRL games and cheerleaders who compete in their field. Competitive cheerleading involves complex routines, gymnastic skills, throws, tumbles and formations. It is more like the cheerleading you see in American films, with an emphasis on stunts.
The NRL cheerleaders I have seen at games seem to have a focus more on dance and most routines really don’t involve flips or stunts as such.
I don’t think you can compare the two – one is a sport in its own right and one is just being something good to look at. If NRL cheerleaders were actually skilled and could do some cool stunts or acrobatics in their routines it would be worth watching – but the way it currently is I’d much rather watch the mascot races or the junior exhibition games at half time.
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I think cheerleading is a sport in it’s own right and should be awarded it’s own arena outside of cheering on men playing sport. This in it’s own right makes it sexist. Can you imagine a group of men being paid to cheer on women’s sport? Me neither!
There is clearly skill, coordination, flexibility, gymnastics and fitness amongst those who cheer, but it is a shame that the only people who cheer are those who can be termed ‘beautiful people’ (thin, pretty etc). How about adapted cheerleading for bigger people, those with disabiities etc?
I quite enjoyed Bring it On and any sport which is enjoyable should be encouraged, but in it’s own right, not as a sexualised aside to men’s sports.
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Just eye candy and nothing more.
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I don’t see why the NRL are getting bashed over this.
Cheerleading is just another form of performance.
What is the difference between a cheerleader outfit and the outfits you see some little girls wearing at dance concerts?
If you want to object against cheerleaders, I’d be saying you need to object all the dancing schools out there too.
You could even take it further and protest against the Netball ANZ Championship for making players wear short skirts. Why can’t they wear shorts instead?
There are a whole bunch of other organisations out there who have much more relevance to young girls than the NRL. If you want to bash the NRL, bash these others as well.
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The thing about cheerleading is its reason for existing is to support men’s sports. Netball, tennis, swimming … all sports in themselves. Would cheerleading exist if there was no footy?
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Since when was supporting something bad in and of itself? Does that mean that no sport should have supporters? As has been pointed out below male cheerleading teams do exist to support female sports.
Maybe we should change focus and ask why female sports don’t get the same amount of prime time as male sports do? Isn’t that a more relevant feminist question?
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My 11 year old son 11 led the cheering at his school swimming carnival (he’s not much of a swimmer) – he put on war paint and made up some brilliant war-cries. he had a ball and I was proud as punch of his enthusiasm. But he didn’t have to dance around in lycra. Therein lies the difference.
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I don’t understand why the lycra and outfits make it different. Women from all walks of life do their best to look attractive. If we have a problem with the size and type of material they are wearing then we should be having a debate over bikinis and how all women who wear them are making themselves sex objects- it’s not like bikinis are the best thing to be wearing from a swimming or sunsmart point of view.
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Swimmers wear speedos because they’re good to swim in. Netty players wear short skirts because they are easy to run in, not to make them look sexy (although yes, they are getting shorter and tighter) but ability comes first, not looks. Looking sexy is an imperative part of competitive cheerleading. There may be men’s cheerleading teams but they’re rare. My point is, why sign your girls up for a ‘support’ sport when there are so many fabulous real sport and dance disciplines around?
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So your politics overrides their choices?
Safe to say we have very different points of view here. I just think we do all women a disservice when we starting making judgements about the value of what they bring to society.
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But that’s my point. Girls always have to wear little lycra uniforms, whether they be cheerleaders, dancers or netballers. It’s not just the NRL making them do this
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It’s a good point, Lauren. Can never understand why, even in the Olympics girls have to wear spangly leotards where the boys are in shorts and singlets *sigh*
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Fair point Lauren all though I think it is fair to say that short lycra skirts for uniforms in sport look considerably different when worn with sports shoes rather than thigh high boots. Netballers,basketballers etc tend not to wear pushup bras either, in this respect they go for the far more functional sports bra. In defence men are wearing shorter and tighter clothes (think men’s uniforms in athletics particularly) but the point of difference is they are wearing them on the sporting field no bloke is standing on the sidelines jumping up an down in a pair of short shorts and a spray tan.
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OMG Kate!!
Please do some research. Cheerleading most defiantly exists as a stand alone sport that has nothing to do with football.
Please for the love of god, get your facts right.
Have a look at the Gymnastics Australia website. Cheerleading is a discipline of gymnastics and is in fact one of the fastest growing sports in Australia.
IT IS A SPORT.
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You’re quite right, Small Minded, it’s a sport (and whether or not I think it is doesn’t change that) but I can say it’s not something I’d want my girls in because the most visible face of it is the NRL cheerleaders, supporting the fellas.
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Thanks for being a voice of reason Kate.
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I have a genuine question. Why do some of you feel its not OK on principle to use your looks to further/as a basis for your career? Why is this worse than using your intelligence? I mean, I am no more in control of whether I blessed with a high IQ than whether I’m born good-looking. And surely being a cheerleader or a model requires a certain amount of hard work and personality? Same as if you are born smart you still need to work hard and use it, you can’t sit around saying “hey, look at these IQ test results” Can’t we just all use what talents we have in whatever way makes us feel good and hurts no one? Why the judgement. I don’t get it, maybe someone could explain.
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Very few people are ‘born smart’. Education and intelligence is a fairly level playing field in Australia with our access to schools, libraries, universities etc. People object, not because they are pretty, but because it reduces women to being something that is ogled and sexualised for no particular reason.
I was backstage a few years ago at a cheerleading comp in Brisbane as a friend of mine was a cheeleader for the Broncos and I was horrified. Women were gaffa-taped underneath their shorts and tops (yes, what little there is of them) so their fat didn’t ‘jiggle’, they had all been on extreme diets which they were discussing to swap tips, pretty much all of them smoked – and this was seen as normal in their circle. The whole thing was pretty unhealthy to say the least. It didn’t seem to fit with the notion of ‘healthy’ and ‘sport’.
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B, I’m not saying there aren’t demeaning elements to cheerleading or modelling. I’ll bet there was a lot to be horrified at backstage. I’m just challenging the assumption that its admirable to use your smarts for your own advancement but not your looks. The caveat in there is “for your own advancement” and as I said previously also, hurting no one else.
By the way, its simply not true that we are on a level playing field with intelligence. 1) Others will correct me if I’m wrong, but latest thinking on intelligence is that we are born with a “reaction range”; upper and lower limits for our IQ potential. Intelligence can be nutured, but to a limited degree. Analogous perhaps to the way looks can be “improved” with exercise and make up or whatever, but only to a limited degree. You have to work with what you’ve got.
2) Its debatable as to whether we all have equal access to the same quality of IQ nuturance – schooling quality etc but also parental nuturance. Good luck for those born into well off families who value the nuturing of intelligence, not so great for others.
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It’s an interesting question Kaz. My response would be that there is a danger in choosing a career where your success is determined by your looks alone, for a number of reasons. Firstly you have to focus on your looks which can be dangerous to your mental and therefore physical health. Secondly, looks are subjective. Your look can go out of fashion and you stop getting work = stop getting an income. Ditto when you age and your looks fade. Thirdly, people feel that they can judge you harshly on your looks, because you’ve put them out there for public opinion. That could be crushing. Also, you might get some work behind you, but because looks are subjective you don’t have that same objective skill base that you develop in other careers. if someone doesn’t like your look, you don’t get the job, regardless of your past work. Fourth, you can work out, lose weight, eat well, sleep well, etc – but at the core of it you can’t change your genetics. By contrast, you can educate yourself, work hard, be dedicated and improve your skills in non-looks-based fields. Because of this, when your job is your looks you might not get that same personal satisfaction from self-improvement. You’d still be stoked when you book a gig, but you would know at the back of your mind that you’ll need a back up plan for when your looks fade.
At the core of it, it gets broken down into two answers for me:
– looks are fleeting, so you need a back up plan. That may well be to earn a s***load as a model then use your ‘brand’ to become a squillionaire like Elle MacPherson, but most models can’t or don’t achieve that. Young women need to work out what they’re going to do at 32 when they have no ‘real’ work experience and no money in the bank (if they haven’t invested it like the business mogal Elle);
– looks are unstable so it’s dangerous to invest solely in them as your skill base. There’s usually going to be someone prettier, skinnier, taller or just newer, so you need other skills to bring to the table.
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Very well said, and great to get an inside perspective.
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former model, that’s a thoughtful and insightful response, thanks.
I agree, there’s somewhat more scope for improvement on the achievement front with intelligence than the looks. True also that looks fade and so can’t be relied upon. Not sure if the “someone’s always going to be taller/prettier” argument resonates as well for me though. I mean, there’s always going to be someone cleverer too but it doesn’t necessarily put you out of work. Besides, you can also be doing these things for the sheer fun of it.
Valid as many of your points are, for me they aren’t enough to account for the pretty severe judgement on using looks as a basis for your hobby or career. Actresses rely on their looks/sex appeal all the time, yet they are lauded and hugely financially rewarded. Succesful models get paid a lot, why is it OK for those at the top end but not the mere cheerleaders etc? It is a person’s own choice and if it makes them happy why should they feel ashamed and expect to cop abuse?
See, its easy to excuse the judgement toward these women as what they signed up for. Seems then a small step to..well, she’s should expect to be groped and treated like a plaything if she signed up for that kind of job… “that kind of woman gets what she asks for being shallow enough to want to look hot and be perved at…” Surely its a woman’s (or man’s) right to do what she wants with her looks, body and sexuality.
I think the shame (from some) directed at cheerleading, modelling etc as being shallow or degrading needs to be challenged. Who is doing the degrading? Why? Who is excusing the degrading?
Look, I’m being terribly long-winded here (and cheers to anyone who’s stuck with me this far) when all I really want to say is what someone posted earlier: Would I be a cheerleader? Nope (cos its not my cup of tea). But I would defend to the death another woman’s right to do so? You bet. And I would add: and defend her right to do so without being judged, degraded and abused either by men or women.
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It’s rare that I have the confidence to admit to being a Souths supporter. But, hey! Go Souths you feminist bunnies, you!
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anti
big time anti
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Its a bit tacky but you can’t ban it. It could be improved through less skimpy outfits and a greater emphasis on gymnastics-style but I think its quite ingrained in rugby league culture, at least for my team anyway!
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How can we complain that NRL cheerleaders are being objectified when we reward pop stars and music videos for doing the same if not worse? I honestly thought the feminist movement was for freedom of choice. Or was only ever supossed to be the polictically correct choices?
I am FOR women choosing to live their lives however they see fit.
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Would I cheerlead? Hell no!
But I would fight and defend the right for other women to do so if they chose.
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Couldn’t agree more!
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One thing – is it well paying?
If i was confident (and co-ordinated) enough to be a cheerleader and it was an ok paying job I’d do it in a heartbeat! Get paid to watch a sport I do anyway and keep fit. Sound better than some of the jobs i did whilst at uni!
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I would never allow a daughter of mine to become an NRL cheerleader. Just as I would never allow a son of mine to participate in a sport which condones such sexism.
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What if your son was really passionate about footy? You going to trample on his dreams to make a p.c. point?
Let’s not forget that the men aren’t wearing much more and that the cheer -leading tends only to exist at elite levels of men’s sports.
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I’m with Kate, but my son DOES play footy – he lives it, loves it, writes about it. And if my girls wanted to play footy too, that would be just fine. Because footy is about ability. You can have a face like a dropped pie and be built like a besser brick and still be a star. I have no problem with sports that require small clothes – swimming, for example. There will be no cheerleading on my watch. There are plenty of better dreams to chase.
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Kate, if you feel that strongly about it; I hope that you get that level of control over your kids.
I’ll admit, my daughters would meet with discouragement if they wanted to become professional cheerleaders. I’m also not a big believer in women being window dressing to the main game.
However, to say that ‘my son is never playing football because I regard footy as sexist’ is stifling and a little extreme. Cheer leading is really very peripheral to the game.
If you’ve gone out to watch your son play football or accompanied him to the big games then you’ve probably seen the odd bared male buttock after a tackle dacks them.
I’m not going to believe you if you tell me that you’ve haven’t quirked an eyebrow or two at a toned arm, salient pectoral or perky bum of some of the male players (I’m talking the adults here). That eyebrow was not raised out of respect for their sporting ability. Many female sports fans like to eyeball the players’ bods.
I also think that the ‘plenty of better dreams to chase’ veers dangerously close to ‘plenty of MY dreams for you that I would prefer that you chase’ rather than respecting your kids’ chosen direction in life. If you let that sort of palaver go too far, then you end up in Damir Dokic and beauty pageant kid’s mum camp.
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Trog, few things bore me more than AFL. But I watch my son play and cheer with him as the Lions get beaten, week after week. But I love his enthusiasm for the sport and do whatever I can to facilitate his participation. It’s a great game. My daughters love gymnastics and my elder one dreams of riding in the Equestrian comp at the Olympics in Rio. That is very unlikely to happen but she got a riding lesson for her birthday. I’m not going to bankrupt our family by moving to acreage and buying her a horse no matter how committed she is to her dream. I’ll back my kids them in most things, but not equestrian (too expensive) cheerleading (I believe it’s sexist). That is my right as a parent. My time to exercise that right, as you say, is limited but while I’ve got it, I’ll use it.
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Kate, I know that you probably have hubby and kids potentially reading what you write here, but have you ever admired a sportman’s body?
You’ve stated that the actual game bores you to bits.
You must think that some of those Lions are easy on the eye?
Plead the 5th if you will, but I’m guessing that there’s some mental objectification of man meat that brings the female fans back.
That being said, I think that our take on parenting is fairly similar and it’s plain that you haven’t withdrawn your son from playing game because of your discomfort with cheer leading.
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Trog, Truly, I watch the game because it makes my boy happy when I take an interest. Cheerleaders are absolutely entitled to do what they do. They are adults and professionals and no doubt train very hard. All I’m saying is it’s not something I’d allow my girls to do.
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Trog, whether or not someone finds a footy player easy on the eye is irrelevant. You can think that without it being sexist (just like finding a woman attractive is not inherently sexist). The point is, the cheerleaders at NRL games are there solely for the viewing pleasure of men. They’re being treated as sex objects.
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Cheerleading is also about ability. You can be the most beautiful girl in the world, but if you can’t learn choreography you aren’t going to get a job as a cheerleader. When it comes to proper US style cheerleading, personally I think it takes much less ability to run fast or throw a ball than it does to do backflips whilst atop a human pyramid.
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Agreed. If I went to cheerlead, I’d throw a groin muscle or faceplant within minutes.
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Given the NRL cheerleaders are adults, how exactly would you stop your daughter from becoming one if she chose to?
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Just because people look at their bodies and think wow..doesn’t mean they have to not do it. Most men look at women’s bodies walking down the street and think impure thoughts…
My daughter wants to be a cheerleader…and I will support her when she is old enough if she still wants to do it!
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I love how there’s a link next to the Triple M story leading to a gallery of “NRL’s hottest cheerleaders”. Seriously?
I do find cheerleading highly objectifying. Triple M states, “she gets a kick out of showing her support for her favourite team by strutting her stuff on the field in front of tens of thousands, what kind of woman would we be to deny that right, or suggest she’s a piece of meat for wearing her costume?” I would like to know why a woman must “show her support” in nothing but glorified underwear. And we all know “strutting her stuff” has nothing to do with dancing talent, it’s all to do with her “god given assets” – right there on her chest.
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I’d love to see cheerleading in NRL… real cheerleading, with pyramids, awesome acrobatics, male AND female cheer-ers, the whole deal.
I do feel that what the NRL cheeleaders do is more like exotic dancing, and it makes me feel slightly uncomfortable when I take my 8 year old nephew to games. Of course it’s no big deal, we talk about something else instead and ignore it, but honestly, I don’t feel comfortable letting a kid stare at gyrating bum cheeks. Please don’t say that’s not sexual!
I’d be a happier camper if the girls wore longer skirts…. and no, it’s not jealousy, I’m 22 and have a great body (if i do say so myself), i’d just rather not have the whole world staring at it. Let’s acknowledge the girls for their amazing dance skills, instead of their status as sex symbols.
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You are so right – I’d love to see cheerleading to if it was actually the more-complex style with men and women who perform actual stunts and acrobatic routines – not just dance!
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My friend is a cheerleader in the NRL. And a doctor.
A very competent doctor. We always ask her why she would possibly keep doing it knowing she is being objectified. Her response: this is my fitness and exercise. If I didn’t do it I wouldn’t go to the gym etc. cozi enjoy this.
She doesn’t care what people think and knows she is a strong woman.
(oh and married too!)
Make of this what you will!
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It’s not about a woman’s individual right to become a cheerleader – it’s about the whole institution. Your friend could still cheer and “keep fit” in midriff-boob-bum covering clothing, right? So why do NRL clubs enforce a revealing “costume”? It’s purely objectification.
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Spot on, D. I have no issue with the individual NRL cheerleaders, who are making money off their athletic abilities.I don’t have a problem with non-gender-specific cheerleading teams at schools in appropriate clothing for competitions (or fun). But I have a massive issue with cheerleading as an erotic specticle at sporting games. It’s about the “proud tradition in football” – which, quite frankly, has no place in modern society.
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No way on God’s green earth would I allow my daughters to get into cheerleading. There are a million better things for them to do with their minds and their bodies. And I can say no because until they are old enough to know better, I am the boss of them.
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Kate, my daughters do cheerleading. They are 14 and 16. They do moves similar to those in gymnastics, in fact cheerleading is under the umbrella of gymnastic Australia along with trampolining, sports aerobics etc. The school teams have a uniform requirement. No midriffs showing etc etc.
It is a sport, it is healthy and it motivates kids to get out and move.
Saying you will not let your kids participate is saying that you are against your kids taking part in a sport that encourages talent, gets kids healthy and is a recognized organized sport all around the world. Just like swimming, netball, athletics etc.
It is a shame your kids are going to miss out on trying something they may love because you have a small mind and have tainted a sport with your presumptions of what the sport involves. Imagine if you just wrote off a whole religion or country because of some misguided thing you heard about it.
That’s what you are doing here.
Perhaps you need to educate yourself, your ignorance is showing and it makes you look foolish.
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Hey Small Minded, thanks for your comment. My girls both do gymnastics and love it. My problem with cheerleading (and I acknowledge the skill and training involved) it that the top of the tree is dancing about on a footy field cheering on the boys. Isn’t that what budding cheerleaders aspire to? Isn’t that the top of the tree? Why can’t they keep on going with gymnastics? Is it a bit dull? If that’s the case I thing the gymnastics organisations need to make their sport more appealing.
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No Kate, the end result of my daughters doing cheerleading, is that they do…………… cheerleading. As a sport where they attend competitions in sport venues that are NOT attached to a football game. They do cheerleading as a SPORT a stand alone sport that has NOTHING to do with being the half time entertainment for a football match. In fact they have as much in common with a football match as tennis or swimming does. ie NOTHING. My daughters have no desire to parade at a football match any more than a girl who does horse riding for her sport. Cheerleading is a sport, it is NOT something tacked onto the entertainment schedule at a football match.
There are world championships and even a move to have it incurred in the Olympics. Just like every child who takes up swimming as a sport does not have to want to be the next Ian Thorpe, most who take up cheerleading have no desire to become the entertainment at a football match.
I am really disappointed in your ignorance on this topic and your double standards in allowing your son to play rugby whist banning your daughters any free choice in what they want to do. Doesn’t sound like a very feminist household to me.
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Small Minded, I would not presume to speak for Kate, but when I read her comment, I understood it was in the terms of NRL cheerleading, as the question reads at the end of the above story. I, too, will never allow my daughter to stand more naked than dressed in front of thousands of football fans gyrating to music.
I will happily allow my daughter to participate in gymnastics, trampolining or cheerleading in a gymnasium where there are appropriate uniforms and it is for the purpose of fitness and fun. There is a massive difference – the intention, purpose and outcomes cannot even be compared.
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The NRL cheerleaders are adults. Kate’s clearly talking about stopping them whilst she can, whilst they are kids, during which time they wouldn’t be able to become NRL cheerleaders even if they wanted to.
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A few years ago my husband and I sat in the wings waiting for our son’s team to come out and start playing their Saturday football match. So were a large group of girls ranging from 7ish to around 13 (guestimation) whom we took from the appointed adult cheer team leader, to be assigning themselves to cheer for the opposing team …the dialogue was horrifying.
It (the cheerleading) had nothing to do with acrobatic moves and everything to do with ‘looking cute, hiding fat, showing more leg, and applying makeup’. Right there my husband understood my absolute appreciation for the Rabbitoh’s stance on cheerleaders.
I am all for free choice. However, I see social conditioning and culturally assigned gender roles as undermining any free choice: free to be a piece of meat? All power to you! Yeah right…
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Cheerleaders aren’t the only females who worry about looking cute, hiding fat, showing leg and applying makeup. Just about every woman who reads this site has discussed these things to one level or another. Mammamia even has a dedicated make-up/ beauty writer!
If discussing those things makes them “a piece of meat” what does that make EVERY woman interested in those things?
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I guess you skipped the bit about culturally assigned gender roles and the fact that these ‘girls’ weren’t women but led by one.
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To avoid all ‘culturally assigned gender roles’ we will have to adopt a unisex society and all wear the same non gender defining clothing and stop refering to people as ‘he’ and ‘she’. And the last time I looked all girls between the ages of 7 and 13ish are playing with hair, make up and dressing up. There’s nothing wrong with being a girl, even if you do want to dress up and wave some pom poms.
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It’s about men’s want to oogle without going to a strip club. If it’s about a woman’s right to dance and express her support for her team, make the costumes tracksuit pants and tops, and add some men to the team.
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This title is really annoying. No one is against a “woman’s right to cheer” – as though we want all singing, dancing and kicking illegalised, especially in public. Women should do that as they see fit! But should all-female cheerleading teams in short skirts be an institutionalised part of sport? Hell no. It’s sexist as all get out.
I went to the rugby on a first date recently (not a great move by him) and while we were making small talk all of a sudden these gorgeous, skinny, leggy girls came out and start high kicking in front of us, so we suddenly had multiple very thinly covered vulvas in our faces. I hadn’t signed up for that – but there it was, in my face – a reminder that girls are sex objects, that’s ideally how they look, and that that’s what I was being compared to*. And I thought I was just going to see a game of sport!
It wasn’t jealousy that irked me – I’m a dancer and a model, 26 and very fit and toned, so I actually think I scrub up pretty well against the cheerleaders. The point is more that having that Zooesque sexuality shoved in my face felt inappropriate and out of place. And if I was getting older, post a few pregnancies and already feeling not my best, I would have felt even s****er about the whole thing. I have no problem with mix-gender cheerleading being a compeditive sport – those people are athletes. But at a family sport is not appropriate.
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I’d like to point out that the sports players are also being objectified and stereotyped in some ways.
Males are traditionally supposed to be strong, competitive winners. Females are ‘traditionally’ supposed to be sexually attractive and display good genes for perpetuation of the species.
However, in both cases the people concerned are completely happy to play their role.
There are plenty of other roles in a modern society for males and females to now play, so if you don’t like the idea of cheerleading you obviously shouldn’t become a cheerleader – just like if males don’t like the idea of being typecast as having to be a violent meathead they have plenty of career options other than sports.
But we don’t judge all men by what sports people like to do – why make cheerleading about ‘all’ women either?
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I think they should be kept because they look hot
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Good one anon, I like how you really made yourself accountable for that opinion by using a name
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…like “Loop”?
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Which is trackable across other Mamamia posts, where I use the same name. And what’s the difference between that and ‘Sarah’?
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Loop, on pretty much every post around here someone calls themselves “anon for this” because they don’t want to be judged for having a different opinion by people like you.
Why don’t you let people state their opinion and if you don’t have anything else to contribute to the conversation other than “why don’t you put your name to that like I do” maybe it’s best not to say anything at all.
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Only reason I commented at all was because Anon seemed to be purposefully stirring up dissent by making a divisive, one-sided comment. It pretty much seemed like a trolling behaviour to me. I don’t judge people for having different opinions.
But point taken, I should have been a bit less cranky
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From the age of 18-24 I was a cheerleader for my team in the South Australian National Football League. I did it for two reasons. 1. I enjoyed dancing. 2. I enjoyed football. It gave me great pleasure to be involved in my club. It was all done voluntarily. We trained twice a week for 3 hours at a time. We had a longer pre-season than the football players themselves. After performing our routine we would then walk through the crowd and fund-raise for our club. Okay, so most people ignored what we did prior to the match. Yes it was a bit of fluffy entertainment for the crowd. But to be honest I didn’t do it for them. I did it for me. I have a longstanding history with my club and am pleased to have contributed to them the way I did. After my cheerleading days were over I continued to volunteer at my club in other ways. I have since stopped volunteering but now go to the games as a spectator and enjoy myself thoroughly and I always clap after the cheerleaders have performed.
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I wouldn’t say I support it, but then I wouldn’t bother being vocal about shutting it down or anything like that.
Would I ever let my daughters become cheerleaders? No way. If they want to get into the athletic side of it, they can go to gymnastics.
I respect what cheerleaders can do physically, but I don’t respect the idea of being on the sidelines, cheering men on. I haven’t enjoyed some of the convos I’ve been involved with with males about this. So yeah, if some women like that, knock yourself out.
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Cheerleading is hard. They are incredibly fit. They work hard to achieve amazing bodies. Dont just go hating. I think if anyone can put that much time, motovation and dedication into something – why not reap the benefits?! No one is forcing these ladies to cheer. They love it! So let us be. If you dont like it – dont watch them. I suspect jealously is an underly cause of a lot of this…
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Really? You think we don’t like cheerleaders because we’re jealous that they’re hot?
Goodness me.
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Just another example of the “pornification” of women. I worry about my daughter growing up in these times when women are portrayed purely as objects of sexual gratification for men and rated by their “hotness”.
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I just hate it that women have to take their clothes off to get attention.. sure you can see they have great dance/athletic ability when you watch them, but I sure noone is actually thinking that..
Had this exact same conversation with my boyfriend the other night about the lingerie football league.. apparenlty it’s coming to Aus.. and guess what! My boy wants to go with his mates – to marvel at their athletic ability and prowess I’m sure
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Ha don’t even get me started on this lingerie league!! My partner thinks he’s going; over my dead body. And I don’t care what anyone says, but my opinion is that I don’t want my ptr to go with all his mates to watch near-naked women make fools of themselves playing “sport”
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