by REBECCA DOUGLAS
It’s not something you admit in polite company, at a dinner party, on first meeting someone, or at any other time for that matter. They look at you in a whole new light, and it’s not a flattering one.
I lived in public housing. For 20 years. On welfare.
In several ways, my family fit the stereotype: single mum, alcoholic father, both with a history of unemployment and unskilled jobs and a fondness for wearing trackie dacks in public.
In many ways, we didn’t: Mum had me when she was 35 (so very much not a teen pregnancy), Dad was dux of every school class he was ever in and we all manage to speak without a single “ain’t”, “youse” or “could of” amongst the lot of us.
As for me, I was known as a straight-A student who never drank, took drugs or sneezed in the wrong direction. From early on, Dad had emphasised the importance of listening to my teachers and getting good grades so one day I could land a good job and earn decent money. And when my dad talks, people listen — from the sheer decibel level alone.
But no matter how hard you try or how hard you work, you’re still just a “dole bludger” in the eyes of many, even if you’re a kid who’s had little choice in the matter. This sank in during Year 12, when a journalist interviewed my mum about a new government policy affecting public housing tenants. The photo in the newspaper might as well have lit our house up in neon lights. The anonymous calls came thick and fast for weeks afterward. I’d answer our phone to be yelled at, sworn at and told I was worthless, leeching off the government, was the scum of the earth and, of course, a dole bludger.
Now, I love a good dose of righteous indignation as much as the next person (People parking in handicapped spaces! Politician pay rises! The mere existence of Kim Kardashian!), but this made little sense. Weren’t my family the battlers Aussies traditionally fight for? Weren’t we the poor peasants you rooted for in fairy tales as a kid? But in Australia these days, Robin Hood is dead and Cinderella can get f*cked for all we care. She’s probably scrubbing floors on a Work-for-the-Dole scheme somewhere.
That’s the real kicker about not being poor — it’s not just that there’s less cash in the bank and everything you own is not quite as shiny and new. It’s called ‘socio-economic disadvantage’ for good reason. Aside from worrying about how to pay your bills, you have to deal with whatever problems got you into this mess, plus other people’s judgement because they’re (cue massive sense of entitlement…) Tax Payers. A hand-out with a side order of hatred. And it’s not simply a case of “They bank-rollin’, they hatin’”. It runs much deeper than that.
The awful truth is, many of us could be just one tragic life event away from poverty and public housing. Marriages fall apart, businesses fail, houses burn down, people become ill or lose their jobs. Depression sets in, bills pile up and suddenly you’re in the queue at Centrelink wondering what the hell happened to your life.
Maybe you’re stronger than that and have family support. That’s terrific for you and maybe that will save you, but many people don’t have parents who can look after their kids for a while or lend them money until they get back on their feet. They don’t have friends in high places who can help them find a new job. They don’t have the money to pay lawyers to fight on their behalf.
This is the new fairy tale we comfort ourselves with in Australia, Snow White and the Seven Bludgers. There’s seven bludgers for every one decent, hard-working, honest citizen like me. The bludgers have sunk into poverty because they’re flawed characters. They’re clearly too Grumpy, Sleepy, Sneezy, Lazy, Dishonest, Dopey and Dull. I’m smart, I work hard, I’m not a bludger, so it will never happen to me. Until it does.
And then you’re living in public housing and queueing at Centrelink for your welfare payments in your trackie dacks. Your friends have mysteriously disappeared — the dinner invitations dry up and former friends suddenly stop returning your calls and avert their eyes when you’re around. Being a welfare recipient is not something you talk about or admit in polite company. So, where do you turn?
What, are you looking at me, an honest, hard-working citizen? You expect me to ride in on my white horse and save you? Pffft, I’m not your Prince Charming. I ain’t helping you mate, you’re just a bludger.
Rebecca Douglas is a features writer whose work has appeared in magazines including Women’s Health & Fitness, Cosmo Bride, and Diabetic Living. When she’s not writing her blog for aspiring Carrie Bradshaws and magazine addicts, Becks and the City, she can be found bludging here and here.
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I empathize, and appreciate what it’s like to be on Centrelink benefits, and the way you keep it a secret, from the world at large. With unemployed statistics being so low, & the economy said to be pretty good, it is no wonder that those in employment find it hard to understand why it can be difficult for some to find work in such a healthy labour market climate. Since turning fifty, after an 18 month gap from being in the workforce due to ill health (now fully recovered) – I have found it difficult to become re-employed and several months into 2012, am surprised and losing confidence in not being able to easily slip back into the workforce again. I see myself as a “young fifty” and I don’t have a partner or husband to fall back on, so it’s crucial for me to find any job (whether part or full-time). I have applied for around 60 positions (with great skills and experience); and many roles I’ve gone after have been well below my skills level and outside my usual profession. Unfortunately, I’ve had few replies. When younger, I had no trouble finding work, now I’m believing what is said about the current situation in recruitment, which tends to over-look older applicants; preferring young people, regardless of the wisdom, skills and hands-on experience accumulated by mature-aged people. I have also undertaken additional training and courses to polish up my skills, and so couldn’t be better placed for a new job. From my regular visits to Job Services Australia (Job Network) it seems that the “Job Coaches” don’t understand the barriers faced by older workers in gaining employment, which is why I’m glad to have come across the blog titled “50 shades of unemployment” at http://50shadesofunemployment.blogspot.com.au/
This blog content mirrors all that I have been thinking.
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Granted there are a proportion of people who abuse the system, bu what about those who aren’t ripping off the system – there are plenty of people in the 20′s, 30′s, 40′s, 50′s and 60′s who are single and unemployed, not by choice but from circumstance and they try and exist on just over $200 per week on Newstart. $200 to pay for groceries, rent,transport costs, medical expenses, insurance etc etc – I would love to see some people who have commented on here try to survive on that.
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I have been on a disability pension. Centrelink rated me as too disabled too work after my car accident – the spinal injury/chronic pain thing. So I am now a University lecturer;))
At other times, I have needed single parent payment, when bad ex walked out and promptly impregnated someone else (theres a story that is familiar). My Dad and brother, who had paid ridiculous tax(tm) for all their working lives (Dad started at 14, so..) have both said “that is our tax coming back”. I have then bootstrapped myself out into something else. WIth a loving family to support me, it is so much easier. And skills in computing. But I am luckier than most. I am educated. How about those who aren’t. Who are refugees. Who are struggling with generational poverty. Who have been abandoned by their partner, or escaped abusive partners? It is NOT simple. Black and white knee jerk reactions only stress the jerk having them.
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Yes. I had to fight tooth and nail to get Centrelink payments for the three years I was at uni. There was no way I was backing down and not getting it, so I did. A measley $440 a fortnight it was … I worked too of course. Every time I earnt over, I think, $300 a week they’d deduct my Centrelink allowance.
Reading all these responses makes me realise how lucky I am. I’ve really got no problem that my taxes help support people who need payments. Plus there’s always going to be those extras who rought the system.
I’m lucky to have a family who could support me if I was in any real danger. I don’t think I’d have trouble getting a job if I needed to and I have a few months wages in savings for an ‘emergency’. I have private health insurance etc.. If I lost my corporate gig, I’d find a job any way I could. I’m not ashamed to do hours in retail or hospitality if it pays the rent and the bills.
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Some of the responses on this post are so shortsighted. Does it not occur to anyone that it is the “big end of town” that is causing some of the welfare issues we have? When large stores, supermarkets, fast food restaurants will only employ people part time, how are young workers supposed to get ahead? There are plenty of people lined up at our local Centrelink wearing uniforms from these places. What is a loyal worker supposed to do when she gets no hours during the school holidays because her huge, multinational employer, puts high school students in her place?
Furthermore, why don’t those who whinge here about welfare cheats picked up a phone and report them? I am 56 and have known 2 welfare cheats in my entire life. They are not as common as we think. I think it is more likely that we do not know as much as what we think about the lives (especially the financial lives) of others.
There is a post that comes up on my Facebook page from time to time about refugees being paid $80 000 per year and free houses etc. It is untrue and symptomatic of the number of people who are misinformed about Centrelink payments. Centrelink has an extensive and informative website, I suggest those moaning loudest abut the welfare state take the time to understand these payments.
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I’ve seen the paperwork from centre link belonging to refugees (if they have concerns about any agencies or NGOs, they’re quite happy to give you their paperwork). They don’t get paid any more than anyone else in the same situation. I haven’t yet visited a family in govt housing either.
A lot of the big companies also employ people casually, as well as part time.
So I agree with you about the role they play.
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I feel like I’m the minority here when I say that I’m glad that Australia has such a good welfare system (I say good because, although there is HUGE room for improvement – on a global comparison, it is still pretty good IMO).
It reminds me of the saying: better ten guilty men go free than 1 innocent man be imprisoned.
I would rather 10 unworthy people be supported on welfare, than 1 needy person be unable to access help.
I CHOOSE to focus on what I HAVE rather than what I don’t have..
There are so many comments getting angry at people on welfare.. why?
Do you REALLY think that they have a better life than you? Even if you work your bum off and have to pay half of it in tax??
I am educated, employed in a stimulating good job that has good pay and a career path. That is part my own doing, and part the fortunate situation I was born into.
Only thing I’d like to see is more support to break the cycle..
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I agree Jess.
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There is no reason to be on welfare for that long.
Australia offers assistance for those in crisis, but also offers many options for getting back on your feet.
Unless you have a disability which impairs your ability to learn or understand, you can get on your feet.
When you have no money you can get a free education. From the point of having no literacy or numeracy skills through to getting a degree the Government will assist you.
If you’re going to give excuses ie. single mother with three kids, then i’ll tell you I went to TAFE with a woman who was 19 with three children and no education. She went to TAFE and worked her way to now becoming a nurse. There are no excuses.
If you haven’t utilised the ability to skill yourself to contribute to society and have been on welfare for 20 years, then yes, you’re a dole bludger.
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Had you read the article you would have noticed she was born into public housing. So when should she have gotten a job? When she could walk? Speak? Had a second grade education?
Or how about she gets a uni education then earns more over her life and pays more tax?
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Was general comment Brett.
Still think her parents could have got themselves on their feet in 20 years as well.
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What interests me is the change in attitudes towards welfare over the years. When I was a child it was a dreadful embarrassment. People saw it as a last resort and were desperate to get off it. There was no concept of working people collecting welfare.
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I think that for the majority of people being on welfare is still embarrassing. But you raise a good point. My great grandfather went blind just after his first child was born, yet with the help of my great grandmother managed to provide for their family of four children without welfare and through the great depression.
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Very insightful article Rebecca. For those who believe they simply do not take from the “system”, are you deluded???? Everyone one of us benefits from living in a community / society where we pay taxes and get the results of these taxes – roads, hospitals, private schools, public schools, parks, law courts – to name a few obvious ones. Yes the system is not perfect but at least we have a system. And yes some people live on entitlements for all their lives but rather than blame the individual I would assign blame to the government who continues to create programs (e.g. pre employment programs) which cycle people through endless courses but never actually puts people in a meaningful job which gives them the lifelong skills and confidence to remain employable. To all those mean spirited people who think people on welfare are scum I would love you to wake up one day in a country where there is no welfare system, no safety net for tough times, no mental health care system, electricity outages, no rubbish collection, no job opportunities unless you are connected to the political party which runs the country. This is the reality for many people in many countries and I would like to think that most of us in Australia appreciate the benefits we have by virtue of our birth or good fortune to immigrate here and stop kicking people when they are most in need. Thank you mm for the opportunity to comment.
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Oh come on, you weren’t a welfare bludger. People who have no choice aren’t bludgers, it’s the people who do have a choice and choose welfare who are. People who have a choice and continue to make poor ones over and over again. There are sometimes justifiable reasons for those choices, sometimes not, but it’s easy to get annoyed when as a taxpayer I have pay for them.
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I’m really keen to know where all these easy to get housing commission places are. I’ll be well and truly not in need of it by the time my name comes up in the waiting lists. In the meantime I’m lucky enough to have my Mum to live with. But if I can live for free in palatial accommodation as people here seem to know about, please, point me in that direction!
*I’m not expecting many responses*
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a single parent with two kids can work & earn $40K and get ~$730/750 a fortnight in benefits, PLUS a health care card, and according to the centerlink website a pensioner concession card as well.
Thats almost $20K in cash, plus all the discounts on medicines, bus fares, phone, electricity, car rego and more.
(i have not gone into child care and the rebates they get for that)
a single parent with two kids who earns over $50K gets next to NOTHING.
why should they work harder? why try to get better jobs? Unless they can make over $100K there is no benefit to earning more than $45K,
in fact they would be worse off working harder.
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See this shits me to tears. You know bugger all about how centrelink payments work and have some romanticised version about how the system works. A single parent with 2 kids would only get the full parent payment if they earned a maximum of $100/week, just like newstart allowance. Someone on 40k would be lucky to get $20/week extra. So actually the mother (or father) getting the full payment would still be living on about $500 a week IF they worked a little bit as well, which is nothing, and not ideal for any family with two children. Take off your rose coloured, priveleged glasses will you?
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“A part payment may be available if your income is less than $1797.85, plus $24.60 for each additional child, per fortnight (or possibly a higher figure if you are eligible for Pharmaceutical Allowance).”
Above is a quote from Human Services. The poster above is right. It’s a part payment plus family tax benefit a & b plus all the allowances. Not just SPP.
No rosy glasses – reality and how do you know the poster speaks from a privileged position?
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But it doesn’t say what the part payment is. $1.20 is considered a payment. When I asked what pay from working would affect payments, it’s only about $180 a week from working that will get payment amounts cut.
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It’s not rose coloured privileged glasses, it’s just galling at times that not working can pull in the same amount of cash as getting up every day and working hard.
My husband’s ex wife is on disability ( she suffers from ‘anxiety’ which doesn’t apparently stop her going on frequent holidays o/s) and receives $35,000 per year in benefits PLUS pension card entitling her to bulk billing, discounted utilities and $5 medications. Plus $7000 child support per year from us. So this one person is receiving tax free $42,000 per year. Even without the child support it’s ridiculous that anyone can get $35,000 per year in WELFARE. There are people who work and don’t keep that much after tax.
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Everyone’s entitled to bulk billing, anon.
And please don’t use your husband’s ex who may be rorting the system to disparage everyone who is using the system for now.
People CAN get help from Centrelink if they are low income earners from their work. This is in the form of concessions.
When people feel cool to complain about how hard done by they are on $80,000 or $150 000, I think it’s a bit harsh to complain about someone receiving welfare (whether it’s founded or not) and having $35 000.
If the kids are with her, why shouldn’t your husband pay child support? They’re his kids too, and it shouldn’t be dependent on her income. His contribution wouldn’t be based on her income if they were still together, why should it matter when they’re apart?
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The disability is around 20k a year. You can’t really live on it as a single person. I don’t know where you get 35k from. I am on the disability and I also work, I couldn’t pay rent if I didn’t. 35k is rubbish.
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How on earth could anyone feed clothe and support a child on 7000 a year. That’s just over 100 per week. My 2 yr old eats nearly that much in fruit and food!
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This whole comment reeks of priveledge. It IS rose coloured glasses. How can you not see this? Your husband’s ex is probably living on $450 a week. And she is ENTITLED to child support, for goodness sake. Not working NEVER pulls in the same amount as getting up and working hard. No-one gets 35k from centrelink payments. No-one. And for the overwhelming majority is a terrible and depressing position to be in. Have some compassion.
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@ Lucinder. I am sick of hearing the word privileged. Do you all even know what it means? Those that are able to claim welfare are also privileged. They are privileged to live in a country that provide welfare when needed.
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I know what privelege means, I am not sure you do.
Privelege often refers to rights or benefits enjoyed by a smaller minority, that most don’t have. For example a privelege of social class, and and that comes with that, INCLUDING money. You ARE priveleged if you have never ever had to claim any welfare payments and think it is ok to rubbish those who have needed to. Some people here comment about what people on welfare are ENJOYING, that is totally wrong and misinformed. If they had ever had to apply for a payment or live on the bread line, they’d know how wrong they are. So therefore they are speaking from a place of higher privelege.
We are all have priveleges as Australian citizens and we are priveleged compared to the rest of the world, but some people speak from a place of higher privelege because they demonstrate absolutely no understanding or compassion of the complexities of living in and escaping social disadvantage.
Get it???
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That is disgusting that you are complaining about only paying $7000 a year for child support. I bet that’s not even enough to feed the poor child. Your husband doesn’t sound very responsible, or caring towards HIS child.
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This is so inaccurate it is not funny. I am a single parent who earns over 40k and rest assured I certainly do not get 730 a fortnight. I get less than $50. When you consider that my rent is $840 the $50 does not go very far to help me support my son and I but it is appreciated.
You need to pull your head in maths – you have no idea how the system works
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Im sorry, but the majority of these people who are working the max they can before their ‘pays’ are cut from centrelink & receiving single parent pension, blah, blah, blah, are rorters, if they are purposely not working more or full time just because its easier not to & have the gov boost their pay. I know plenty like this & they certainly know how to work the system. I am married, work part time due to just having had a baby & my single friend with two kids who works 2.5 days rakes it in every week & is quite proud of the fact & even says, the gov doesnt give you any incentive to work does it, with childcare expenses etc??! My point is alot of these people, seem to think its their right to receive gov help, not a priveledge or a short term stop gap to help you up to supporting yourself.
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I really don’t care what other people do or how they live their lives. The only thing that irks me is when people say say they don’t see the point in working becuase they lose too much in welfare. If I was a single parent and only got $30 extra with a job I would be thankful that I wasn’t a drain a system and that was a good role model for my children.
I would like to see the FTB more heavily means tested, and I would love to see some of that money go into our schools, with more moeny spent on teachers aides and sport at grass roots.
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In some cases if you are near the threshold you may actually be at a loss for going back to work. But even if there is a marginal increase in your income, it will cost you to go to work. This is both in time (which converts to money eventually) and actual money (for parking, child care etc, clothing etc). If you are poor it already costs you even more in time and money for most things than it does for other people (you can’t take advantage of bulk shopping, advance bill paying incentives, travelling to places by car to take advantage of cheaper prices, ensuring your insurances are up to date to pay for those mishaps). Given that being a single parent is probably one of the most time-poor situations you could possibly be in in the first place, going to work would be a huge opportunity cost for anyone who didn’t have a high enough salary to outweigh the cost of time with extra money (to spend on petrol to get everyone around quicker, semi-prepared meals or occasional take-aways, an occasional babysitter to help with the juggling, perhaps a cleaner, not to mention the time saved on not having to stress and calculate solutions for every single bill or shopping trip – which piece of mother’s jewellery will I pawn this time? which part of which bill can I afford to pay this week and who are the businesses I will ring to arrange another payment plan). In other words some people simply can’t afford the time to be any more poor than they already are.
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This is a very thoughtful comment.
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My best friend is a single mother who works two days a week. If she changes that to 3 or more days, she pays an extra $70 in daycare (before the benefit and rebate, but that isn’t automatic for her so we’ll say $70) and she loses money from her part A & B. So basically, she’s paying to go to work when she could be spending valuable time at home with her son.
I work full time and get zero benefits and hate sending my daughter to full time daycare, but hey. That’s the way it works. I don’t think any less of my friend for being able to stay home.
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You also have to take into account how difficult it is to re-enter the workforce once you have been out of it for a while. Most parents would love to spend more time with their kids, and especially not have to do the child care juggle when they are little, but if you lose skills and have gaps in your employemnt history, it can be really difficult to get employment.
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Alot of people are very ignorant/judgemental when it comes to Centrelink. I’ve worked since i was 17, fulltime. So, close to 2 decades of a normal working life when my Mental illness became so bad that i could not work. Without CentreLink i don’t even want to imagine what i would have had to of done. Very thankful i live in a country where it is possible to get help, to live. Don’t judge, there are so many different reasons why people have to go on CentreLink & people are misguided if they think it’s fun lining up & waiting your turn to explain, once again, your problems/situation, to strangers. Feeling so hopeless because you now have to rely on others for help. Thankfully everyone was always very nice at Centrelink. I’m very thankful. Everyone can bludge, that includes in their own jobs. There are alot of people that work, in the same company, same job, same pay. While some work their butts off & others get a free ride. Hard workers aren’t always guaranteed to be noticed. Just like ‘bludgers’ can be anywhere, not just lining up at Centrelink. The Ignorance towards Government assistance is very sad, it is set up for all types of people, IN NEED. It is there to HELP. That is why the Government set it up! I think people should be a little more informed, alot less judgemental & pray you never have to rely on Government assistance. How nice to know though, that if a crisis ever did happen personally or family wise that you atleast live in a country that has so many avenues to help you threw.
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I’m glad you could get help. I think everybody wants a system where people in genuine need can get assistance. The problem is that nearly everyone knows somebody who is abusing the system. This creates anger and frustration.
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I don’t think that everyone does know someone who is rorting the system. I don’t. I’d hazard a guess that for some of my friends, I’m the only single mum getting Centrelink payments they’ve ever known.
The lack of understanding in these posts about how much people seem to think those on Centrelink payments get shows they don’t understand it.
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Hi,
Thanks everyone for reading my article and commenting.
I guess my point is people who “choose” a welfare lifestyle and cheat the system are in the minority. Your choices and opportunities when you’re poor are severely limited, so it’s less a choice to be on welfare and more a quagmire that’s difficult to escape.
It’s hard to just pick yourself up and get a job if you’ve got barriers like sickness, low self-esteem, little money to buy professional clothes for an interview, no computer at home to type up a resume, no car to drive to work, no contacts to help you score an interview, no family to babysit your kids, lack of skills and work history etc.
Sure, not everyone on welfare would have all these problems and some of them can be overcome, but your resources to overcome these issues are in short supply. And other people’s judgement doesn’t help.
Thanks to the commenters who’ve shared their stories on welfare as well. It’s good to get them out there to counter the stereotypes.
~ Rebecca
PS I’m sorry to those who felt I’d maligned track pants in my post. They are still among my favourite wardrobe items, especially in neon pink. : )
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Hi Rebecca,
I can see where you’re coming from, but I can’t help but feel from your article that you have categorised all “tax-payers” as judgemental of all welfare recipients. If anything, the majority of the comments on this article say the opposite.
It seems as though most people are happy that their taxes support the genuinely needy people in society. It is apparent, though, that everyone is strongly against the welfare cheats who take advantage of a system designed to help those who can’t help themselves.
I must also point out that there are a number of organisations that have been set up to assist people to pick themselves up when they can. I have previously donated many beautiful suits and handbags to an organisation that provides business attire for women who are trying to return to the workforce and are unable to purchase clothes for the interview and first weeks. There are employment support services that help job seekers with professional resumes, interview skills and basic office skills and many health services and charitable organisations that are available for those suffering low self-esteem.
I am not being critical of your position, merely pointing out that there are a number of organisations that are there to support the transition back into the workforce for those who have been out of it for some reason.
Receiving welfare is not a life sentence, as you and many of the commenters have very ably proven. It is a step towards financial independence. Those who have, like so many, gotten back on their feet have done a great service to the welfare stereotype.
Unfortunately, whilst there are welfare cheats who are so proud of their ability to rort the system and receive what they’re not entitled to, there will always be a stereotype for that group of people.
Also, just to clarify – I believe the title of this article (although I’m aware that it may not have been chosen by you) is misleading. As a child, you had no control over your parents income nor any ability to make an income for yourself. You were not a “welfare bludger”, and no one should ever refer to you that way.
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“It’s hard to just pick yourself up and get a job if you’ve got barriers like sickness, low self-esteem, little money to buy professional clothes for an interview, no computer at home to type up a resume, no car to drive to work, no contacts to help you score an interview, no family to babysit your kids, lack of skills and work history etc.”
Sickness, fine. I’ve been sick and am on the disability. I work and study now. But there is so much help these days that these other ones are not really excuses anymore. And the best thing for my self-esteem was to push through and bloody well go back to work.
Let’s leave out regional/rural people for a moment, as they do have less access to services. For some one in an urban region these are not excuses. There are charities that will kit you out for clothes. Target can kit you out for clothes very cheaply (and if you have no work history it is not like you are going out for fancy pants jobs where you need a nice nice outfit).
The library is FREE to use a computer. I believe many job service providers/Centrelink offer computers and resume assistance and job skills training. TAFE courses can be cheap for those on various benefits to skill up.
Job services can place you in jobs that don’t require much work history. Day care is practically free for the next to no income. There is PT in urban areas, even if it is hard. I take two connections and often wait 40 mins in between just to get to my low paying work that Centrelink cuts 40cents in the dollar off my payment. Because I want to work. And that 60 cents in the dollar earned is better than nothing.
You do people a disservice when you tell them these are acceptable barriers to not working and being on welfare. As someone on the disability (working and studying, hoping to move off it in time, ashamed a little to be on it) I do support welfare. I really do. What I don’t support is a bunch of excuses why you can’t work. Except for sickness none of what you listed is a valid excuse for someone in an urban area not to be working.
Providing people with excuses doesn’t help them at all. I understand entrenched disadvantaged but beware of the trap of low expectations which doom people.
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Easy does it guys!
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I take issue at people not being able to afford the amount of children they have. I take issue with the people who don’t make responsible decisions, particularly in the cases of smoking and drinking, two very expensive and (in my mind) indulgent activities.
I am so proud of Australia for having a welfare safety net and I’m saddened that this writer was called names by fellow Australians.
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Yes, I agree. My husband and I have stopes at 2 children because that is the number we feel we can afford and give them the life we want them to have. I would love to have another, but that would be a big stretch fours we feel. It’s just common sense isn’t it? If you are struggling financially, you should use contraception and not have any more kids.
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And of course you’d still be able to afford the number of kids you have if your husband left you and didn’t pay child support, and you developed a mental illness and couldn’t work… *headdesk*.
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Sarah, the difference is I bet that if Angie found herself in that situation she wouldn’t go on to have more kids.
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Not just hidden. Degrees also. My ex has about 5degrees(law, science, bus mgmt, psych n something else), while getting Centrelink. Now he effed off to China, doubt if he has paid back a cent of HELP
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Mamamia moderators where are you? As a regular reader I am appalled that some of these comments haven’t been deleted. So many are nasty, vindictive and just hurtful of people on welfare. Whilst growing up my family needed welfare due to my Dad being unemployed, my Mum was unskilled, stay at home Mum in a rural town with no work. Not that I should need to justify but my 2 sisters and I are all now university educated, independent and working. But you know that feeling of being poor and on welfare growing up NEVER goes away and the awful stigma some of you are perpetuating on Mamamia is revolting. I only hope that many of you Anonymous commenters are not regular contributors because I would expect better from the usual readers here.
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I dont think the problem is being on welfare, some Australians honestly need it, people are getting irrate with many Australian’s who are milking the system.. Having more children to get more money ( my sister inlaw and her husband proudly admit to that ) Unfortunately plenty of people take full advantage of it. Even the pensioners who own a few properties, throw them in their childrens names , live off the rent they receive each week and top up with the pension.
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Or my cousin who has been on unemployment benefits after finishing year 12. She is now 41 single , no kids and still receiving them after never doing a days work.
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Milking the system is not exclusive to welfare recipients- It is a national hobby – from couples not declaring their a couple to avoid a pay decrease to the super rich and their of shore accounts.
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articulate article and written without an ounce of martydom or victimhood that more than a few people might ascribe, and subsequently criticise, should they sense even a sentence of woe in one’s tragedy.
keep sharing articles like these … and then some on generational poverty, and neuropsychology … cos those “undeserving dole bludgers” who have for generations “chosen” welfare (aka poverty) are in all sorts of neural and developmental distress that no amount of policy can account for …
love is the only way …
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It’s an issue that requires understanding, some compassion and a broad mind. We all agree there are those on welfare who need and deserve it, and then there are those who choose welfare over work. We see this second group as able bodied/minded and hence no excuse.
Why do we see it like this? Because we value work and productiveness. Pride is important to us, and so is a sense of accomplishment. And while we may think we never have felt any different, we certainly weren’t born that way. We were taught it, by example, by implicit actions of our parents, by our influencing social circle. Not everyone has had this from their own experience, and hence the welfare cycle.
What’s needed is research into how these values can be instilled by the education system to those who may not be receiving it otherwise. This would not be easy.
It’s complex. And very easy for those of us with different experiences to judge.
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It may have been answered below, but I am wondering why the like button has disappeared off this article for comments? Just curious.
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I think it’s unfair for children to suffer the choices that their parents made and be stereotyped and abused for something that is out of their control. I completely believe that a welfare system is needed to support those in need, the ones that Rebecca mentioned here, because there are a lot of people more unfortunate than I am.
What I felt frustrated about and see too many of my classmates (when I was young) parents thinks that it’s OK to not work forever/ work cash in hand then get Centrelink/ “divorce” so they can get two payments etc. their kids felt proud of getting Centrelink because it’s their “right”…
Having a great social support system is a privilege and not a “right”, if people are physically and mentally capable of working they should do so. A lot of people work hard and pay almost 50% of our salaries to the government and I just wish these were put into better use.
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I was on youth allowance while I was at uni. I come from a regional area; I needed to pay rent, buy food, pay bills and be a long way from my family at age 18. I am forever grateful that I was able to concentrate on my study and generally surviving my first years out of home.
When I was at uni, it was all fun and games to have no money and live on 2 minute noodles. But I have to say that ‘dole bludgers’, people who are on long term welfare probably don’t think it’s hilarious to not be able to afford a car, or to pay the ever increasing electricity bills… They can recognize their situation sucks, but they don’t know how to make it better. Hmmm, maybe a TAFE course (like a $2500 certificate 3 in children’s services, with no HECS type loan system? … Maybe not). I would love to see free TAFE, free university, free access to education and while I realize that this is probably not financially viable, I think it is a discussion worth having. Let’s get mentoring systems up in schools. Let’s create incentives to work rather than punishments for not working. And let’s stop this awful nastiness… it’s not helpful and it’s not nice.
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Hi Betty
Jet letting you I centreline already have a program that assists and helps Pay for tafe courses my mother did several before deciding she still wasn’t going to get a job anyway. The gov also gave a program for stay at home mothers to do corrospondence courses so they have a skill set once their child has reached 8.
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ummm no they don’t i’m a stay at home mum looking to study from home and was told that they can’t help me because i’m not on an income support payment (newstart ect) which leaves me stranded because i can’t afford the fees.
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Hi anon,
Have you looked into FEE-HELP? It is available for all Diploma level and above courses (and some below that level, I think) and has a structure similar to HECS-HELP.
I hope you find something suitable and affordable soon, good luck!!
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Kay you are wrong! The govt provides these courses only IF YOU ARE ON BENEFITS stay at home mums who have working partners/husbands are not eligible hon. I am the same as anon, tafe and online uni are way out of affordable and Hecs uni requires so many ours per week and the cost of childcare prohibits that avenue either so I am stuck and genuinely want to further/refresh my skills so when my babies can go to school I can thrown myself back into full time work!
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Unless something has dramatically changed, income has nothing to do with HELP fee assistance. You just need to do your course with a HELP recognised provider. Tafe is included in that, as far as I know.
As for the time commitment, that’s up to you.
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Here: http://studyassist.gov.au/sites/studyassist/helppayingmyfees/fee-help/pages/fee-help-
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If you have a healthcare card, most centrelink courses via OTEN (online tafe) are $100, + about $50 for materials, depending on what you want to study. I was lucky to have found my Nursing Diploma on a scholarship with NSW Health. What surprised me was that we didn’t have to sign a contract or anything & could have gone to work in a private system the moment we graduated…I expected we’d be asked to sign a contract saying we’d work within NSW Health for x amount of time, but nothing.
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It just makes me so sick reading some of these judgmental comments. Which of these rude, narrow minded people making nasty comments actually gets off their own arses to do anything enriching for the community they live in? Do they suppose they are contributing more by living their lives and not caring about anyone they simply don’t understand? I agree some people are ‘bludgers’ but there are so many more out there who are living in less fortunate situations that face real challenges. I would love it if everyone could take a humanistic approach when considering what other people’s lives look like, and take a moment to see that anyone can end up anywhere given the right or wrong circumstances. Mental illness is real. Addiction is real. These afflictions can put you in places that you never could imagine. This is the tip of the iceberg of how your life can turn.
There are so many beautiful and giving people out there who care about what is going on around them, and to those people I say thank you. Thank you for caring about the world we all live in together. To all the mean people I say, take a moment. Think. Place yourself somewhere less fortunate for a moment. Think now how you’d want to be treated/perceived/looked at
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iAmandaroseI don’t think you can pidgon hole people- I work with a lot of community housing people and they are all different.
Some are dysfunctional alcoholics, some are battered women, others have mental health issues. others are kind of odd – hard to employ as they put people off( I guess they fit into the mental health catagory- undisgnosed Aspergers I call them).
Then their are tragic stories of sickness and loss. One lady retired ar 60 to care for a baby so disabled she couldn’t walk, talk or eat. She fostered her and the government provided housing. when the girl died at 15 she got kicked into the worst housing area in town as they wanted the larger house. pretty poor form.
Life is complicated- many people could work and I think lack of self esteem is a big issue with younger people – they feel they have nothing to contribute. With older people it is a reluctance to employ older staff that leave people willing to work unemployed.
There is also an issue with any welfare state is that the lack of motivation provided by a cushion to fall on does hold people back.
I wanted to work at Uni but I never did as I was shy and didn’t come across well at interviews- After much rejection I gave up. If Aus study wasn’t available I know I would have overcome my fears and kept trying.
It is all complicated . I think the best thing we can do to help people who are down and out is to be kind. Even if they are a bit odd or look a bit scruffy. People who have self esteem have an easier time moving forward- Judgement and nastiness doesn’t help.
And while we are being nice and non judgemental we could think about offering opportunities to people entering the work force. I employ a cleaner more because I new she was struggling to find work after a divorce and many years as a stay at home mum.
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I was just writing a comment along the same lines, but yours was so much more articulate than mine! Totally agree. And I’ll add that it is hard to grow up in a community trapped in welfare dependency, because that’s all you know. I have taught children who have never left their public housing suburb. I don’t feel comfortable with this ‘Today Tonight’ mentality of dole bludgers. I don’t know about you, but I don’t know how much fun I would have trying to survive on welfare benefits. Education is the key.
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like both these comments.
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If aus study wasn’t available I doubt I would’ve been able to go to uni, get a job and pay the taxes that I do
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Same Rebecca – thank goodness for Austudy!
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And just to add to that, I also worked at least 1 job for the entire time I was at uni in addition to the austudy. I didn’t need people to be kind to me, I needed money to help me get the books, and pay the fees that my parents and my casual jobs couldn’t provide. I’m sorry that you blame welfare for your apathy but not all of us are like that. I knew that I didn’t want to be poor for the rest of my life, austudy helped me achieve that and I hope that my taxes will help others that were in my situation.
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OK, so I have read a few of the below comments and am happy to read such a variety of views. I think some of it comes down to that people seem to have children before being financially secure. E.g. when my parents decided they wanted kids, they secured a mortgage, had jobs and a car. My husband and I worked hard to get a deposit and house, a car and then decided to have children and bring them into a secure up bringing, don’t get me wrong we are not at all wealthy and still struggle a bit but at the end of the day we have an asset to fall back on and make considered choices on what we spend our money on.
What ever happened to people wanting to achieve a goal? Where I live many people are happy to sit at home and whinge about it being tough but meanwhile take time off work to take their kids to the movies etc.
I am very aware of people doing it tough but there are so many other people that have the power to change their habits but don’t rise to the challenge.
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I agree with you 100%. comment of the day.
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hmm having kids sounds hard…. ohh well i dont really care, i will learn how to take care once i get older
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You cant always plan for everything in life.
I was told it was unlikely I could have kids, was on the pill just in case because i’m I cautious person and bam, im pregnant. I dont believe in abortion so I’ll probably get slammed for that too). As an aside, I will note that said baby was with my husband who is still my husband. just thought i would mention that as there have been a lot of people stereotyping in regards to mums etc
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Well my parents tell a different story of people their age having to have “shotgun weddings” because of pregnancy, or having their first child within the first year of marriage, or one or even two more children than they could afford pre contraceptive pill. They were teenagers in the 50s, before the ocp became widely available.
Don’t put on rose colored glasses about the past.
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Anon, people can end up on welfare or in public housing for all kinds of reasons and as the author of this article said, a lot of people are only one misfortune away from that happening to them. It isn’t always a matter of them not having a goal.
Think about it, for a while. What would you do if the major bread winner in your household lost their job and was unable to secure another one for say a year or more? Could your family cope that long losing the major income of the household? What if due to an accident they became permanently disable? Then there’s divorce – despite all that feminism has achieved, the number of women and children who suffer financially post divorce is still very high.
And how many people do you think would be in severe financial trouble if interest rates went up to 18-19% again like they did in the 80s?
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I completely agree with you. I am not against welfare at all, I think it is in place for many reasons. As I said above, I just feel like many people my age who have kids (late 20′s) just don’t seem to want to work as hard as say, I perceive, other people can do. I believe in family time and all that too and that nobodies positions are the same, I just seem that get sick of hearing people who are doing it tough and are in a position to change their situation and decide to not rise to the challenge. I think in some aspects welfare has had a negative effect where people use it as a fall back position.
For example, if you can’t afford a $20 increase in your mortgage maybe you should reconsider your position. Many people that sook about rent and mortgage repayments are the ones that smoke and drink – these are not necessities in life!! I know I sound like I am making generalizations but I think they are good points as well. I honestly mean no disrespect to anyone just merely joining in in the debate.
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You’re just not getting it, Anon. When you hear about these people who, in your opinion, are not rising to the challenge, how much do you really know about them? I’ll bet you’re basing your opinion on your very narrow view of the world. If truth be told, you probably know nothing about their lives or the daily challenges they face.
And you weren’t wrong about your generalisations. How many people who “sook about rent and mortgage repayments are the ones that smoke and drink”? Do you have a number? A percentage perhaps? An average? Anything? Other than your incredibly uneducated opinion?
You want to know what really pisses me off? Those people who have household incomes between $80K and $150K and write letters to the editor, ring talk back radio, go on TV shows and whing about how tough things are and how they can’t cope with another interest rate rise, or another electricity price rise, or losing their 30% private health rebate. Boo freaking hoo. There are so many people out there doing it a hell of a lot tougher and surviving on a hell of a lot less.
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So anyone who earns above $80k is not allowed to whinge about the cost of paying for anything just because there are people out there who are doing it tougher? What a stupid attitude
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You sorta contradicted yourself. You don’t like others judging yet you go on to judge others with higher income. So you can only judge higher income earners in your world?
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I’d have to agree with you on the mortgage bit. The mentality does exist that if the bank gives me $1.4M to buy a house, I’ll buy a house that costs me $1.3M (or even if the bank gives me a $10K credit card limit, they take it). And then I agree they complain when their mortage increases or anything else increases because they have maxed out their borrowing….and yes, the bottom line is that they know welfare is there for them like a cushion if need be.
So I do feel we are breeding a nation that has lost some sensibility.
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It’s not always that easy. My parents were on their way to being financially secure and decided to start a family, my grandfather then unexpectantly died leaving my grandmother with 4 kids to feed, my mum and dad pitched in to support them and luckily they got a housing trust house for a few years to help this. Then when I was in high school my dad was retrenched from his job, we had a nice average upper working class type life. But that changed a lot as my dad had to completely change careers as his job just didn’t exist anymore, he was effectively replaced by a computer. For 4 years we were on welfare of some sort. My point is that sometimes you can plan all you want but unexpected stuff happens and thats what our welfare system is for.
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The idea that we can plan for everything and never fall into difficulties is a bit of an illusion. Life isn’t always so neat.
We also had everything planned before we had our first child in our thirties – mortgage, cars etc – by working hard and scrimping and saving. Ten years later, our business failed, we lost everything and my husband was out of work for a year.
Thankfully, I still had a job and we were able to hang onto our rental property and pay all our bills BUT we wouldn’t have made it without receiving family allowance (about $9000 for the year). And it was absolutely terrifying living hand to mouth each week, knowing that we couldn’t afford to replace anything that blew up or fell apart. Fortunately, my husband found work after a year and we’re back on track now, but I have often wondered how much longer we could have held on for before we needed serious assistance.
It’s easy to judge others against our own standards, but planning is not always the answer.
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WHAT IS THE 1ST PICTURE OF????? im still trying to figure it out!!!
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A piggy bank?
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hmm, very hard to tell to me it looks like boobs and a small penis, haha lols!!!
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It’s a piggy bank but now you’ve got me looking at it all funny too teganjai!
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hahaha, but i dont see how its a piggy bank??? i mean like i cant see it!!
im serous i have tried from different sides, upside down and all!! i clearly dont get it!!!
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the tail is on the end and the things that look like boobs are the pigs ears
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OMG!!! i get it, hahaha, sorry guys, im slow at things like these, hahaha, thanx guys!!!
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Ooooh I was certain the little thingy on top was its tail, and the money was placed in a very awkward spot LOL!!! ok thanks for chasing this image from my head guys.
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I don’t understand how people (without disabilities that mean they can’t work) can be allowed to stay in government housing forever without thought. I worked in women’s refuges where women would be sleeping in their cars with their kids and there was long wait for public housing. Can’t there be a better way? Why do people get to be in government housing (often in prime real estate locations) for life when other people are doing without?
By nature of the work I do, I am a low income earner. Yet I am not eligible for any government support and spend over 50% of my wages in rent. I applied for a health care card and was told that despite spending several hundred a month in medication I wasn’t poor enough.
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By the way, I don’t have children. Can’t afford it.
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That annoys me too. Especially when they are living in homes big enough to house an entire family and they are now living alone. It’s just not fair.
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wait!!! you have to pay to have children!!!
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U may find yourself quiet comfortable if consider having quite a few.
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my husband works for government housing and I am often shocked at the plain mistreatment of these houses who are supposed to be there for people who are doing it tough. So many times he has told me about the tradies going out to do maintenance only to be abused and assaulted, seeing houses with walls covered in faeces (yes this happens A LOT) and having to repair houses continually because they just get trashed all the time.
It makes me so mad. However people need to understand that sometimes (read sometimes) you have people with mental illness and disabilities who are unable to get support who are just so incapable of looking after themselves that they literally live in their own filth.
On the topic of people expecting to live in a three bedroom house with just one occupant, makes my blood boil. At risk women and their children are desperately waiting for a house to live in and unfortunately the 10 year waiting list is accurate.
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You could look at it another way- if people are covering their walls with shit, they probably do need government assistance.
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Or, the housing should be given to someone who appreciates and takes care of it.
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We have to spend a huge amount on medication each month. I always go to the same chemist and when we have spent a certain amount each calendar year (usually about the middle of July) we get the prescriptions for $5.80 for the rest of the year. If you use different chemists you can get a card to record your medicines on. If you keep a record of your medical expenses, medicines, gaps at the doctors, x rays etc and it goes over a certain amount you can claim it on your tax. These schemes are available to everyone and a lot of people do not know about them.
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What I get annoyed is people thinking that it is unfair that I have chosen to leave work at be a stay at home parent and yes, i do receive payments from Centrelink. I fully intend on returning to work once he starts school but I always get asked “don’t you feel bad living of other people’s tax?”. Well no. I have worked hard and paid tax for nearly 15 years. I think I deserve to be a mum for just 5 thank you very much because then I’m going straight back to being a tax payer again. people can be so judgy-judgy without even thinking.
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Serious? Sure you deserve to be a mum. Why do you think that you deserve welfare to fund it? Welfare is a safety net, not a lifestyle choice. It’s to help people in genuine need not to support people who quit their jobs so they can do something else.
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well my hsband works so we do have one income in the family it just isnt very much. so if i worked and put our child in daycare all day we just couldn’t afford that, even if I was working.
So our income is supplemented with our parenting payments and rent assistance. I dont think that its being a bludger getting what you are entitled to. Also (and this is a total other issue) I think to many people see being a mum as being lazy so you get this hand in hand with welfare judgments.
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Excuse me fir having kids…wait on it is my kids who will be paying the taxes that pay for roads, hospitals, police, armed forces, education etc etc when you retire!!! There is a reason why it is
govt policy to encourage people to have kids; they are the next gen of taxpayers. My kids will help look after you and the society you inhabit in your old ages as will MUmmaK’s!!
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Your kids will only be paying taxes if they get a job eventually. And even then many on lower incomes end up getting more back in benefits than they pay in tax
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So you’re making an assumption that Kirri’s kids will be low income earners? That’s a pretty poor assumption don’t you think? When you know nothing at all about Kirri or her family. For all you know her kids might be incredibly academically gifted or talented.
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So, when I offer my workers extra shifts and they decline because it will effect their benefits, can I dob them into centrelink?
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will that make you feel better? Aren’t you at least a little bit happy that they are working. Maybe not to your expectations, but at least they’re doing something.
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It wouldn’t actually. But I’d feel heaps better if they took the work and demonstrated a bit of pride.
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yes dob them in
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Dob them in for what? They’re not breaking the law by not taking on extra shifts!
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So, would it be wrong if I sacked them for being inflexible?
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Perhaps a fear of being sacked is part of it – perhaps welfare feels a lot more secure than a job that is at the discretion of an employer.
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Agree!
And as I said previously, maybe offering them a stable, permanent job may convince just a few to leave Centrelink altogether.
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Of course it would be wrong to sack them! Haven’t you heard of unfair dismissal?
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Not sure how, but one of my staff works full-time, getting weekend penalty rates each week means she earns just about as much as me (and I’m the manager) yet still claims centrelink payments as she needs 2 copies of her payslips printed. Not sure how this works??
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Try offering permanent work at a living wages rather than shifts. Let us know how that goes.
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Unfortunately it probably puts them in an all or nothing scenario. If the extra shifts were consistent it may result in an attitude change?
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small clarification required: single mum, alcholic father…. then not a single mum? dad was on the scene enough to give advice?
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What? So she couldn’t have had a relationship with her father independent of her mother’s relationship with him?
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How naive you are and how privileged you must be.
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I am a bit offended by the tone of this article – before condemning all tax payers as judgemental, entitled people who hate all welfare recipients, how about you talk to more than just those who give you unwelcome feedback?
I have grandparents who receive the age pension, know families who receive disability benefits – one because they have a son with a severe disability and one because both parents were horrifically injured in an accident and cannot work.
I do not begrudge a cent of the money that these families receive – I am proud that I live in a country that supports those who, through no fault of their own, are unable to earn sufficient income to live.
What I despise is that there are those who knowingly cheat that system because of an aversion to work or simply because they do not know any better. Unfortunately, I know some of those families too.
One of my teenage boyfriends was “temporarily” receiving Youth Allowance whilst he was “looking for work”. Every two weeks, he had to report on companies that he had phoned or interviewed with for work. Every two weeks, he would go through the phone book and pick five businesses out because “Centrelink never checks anyway”. Needless to say, we weren’t together long.
I believe in a fair go for all Australians. I am in the high-income bracket that the government loves to refer to when justifying tax changes or welfare payments. I am proud of my accomplishments and understand that it is my responsibility to pay taxes, which the government then distributes for the good of all Australians.
More stringent Centrelink checking and controls will ensure that the welfare system supports those who truly need it and gives a kick up the proverbial to those who are simply abusing it.
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Totally agree!
I don’t want to live in a country that doesn’t look after those who can’t look after themselves. But I reserve the right to disapprove of those who refuse to try. It’s probably impossible to look after all the genuine cases without having a few non genuine ones sneak through, but hey that’s what social disapproval is for.
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A-BLOODY-MEN!
If the like button had not disappeared, I would click it.
I too, do not begrudge anyone who genuinely needs help be given it. But something needs to change, so we get the “third generation unemployed” people out there contributing to Australia. Most of these people need a big wake up call…like a move to Vietnam, or another non welfare country, where you do work you may think is “beneath” you…or starve.
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Hell, you’re brave. You’ll be told you have no right to judge. It’s their right to live off benefits. They’re entitled.
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Probably. Having worked in employment services, sadly I am a little jaded by banging my head against a brick wall, with those who fall into this category…which is not the majority, thankfully! But they don’t do the genuine people any favours.
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Ohhh I made a comment about this just then but after I read your comment it clearly articulated what I wanted to say! Well said!
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I wonder how many of the people who have bitched and moaned about ‘their’ taxes going to the ‘welfare system’ feel perfectly entitled to receive Family Tax Benefit, Paid Parental Leave, Childcare Benefit, Medicare Benefits, Private Health Insurance Rebate etc. These are all WELFARE payments too – they just don’t have the stigma attached to them that Newstart and Parenting Payment have.
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I have very strong feelings about welfare cheats, Rivkah, and am not eligible for any government benefits, not even the health insurance rebate.
I will continue to tell people (in an appropriate forum) that the Centrelink system is flawed and allows too many bad apples to sneak through with the genuinely needy as I have seen it.
I think that most people are probably thinking of those bad apples when they’re “bitching” about the welfare system. I don’t believe that anyone truly begrudges those who truly have no other means of income, through no fault of their own.
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Exactly, there is alot of different welfare out there, including the baby bonus. Also there are degrees, not everyone for example receives a full age pension etc.
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I think a reasonable test is how much “net tax” you pay. Eg take the amount of income and capital gains tax and gst you pay each year and subtract the amount you get in government benefits. If its negative then you’re definitely on welfare.
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don’t forget the first home buyers grant.
I get so fed up with those who bitch along the lines of “don’t have a baby if you can’t afford it” but put their hand out for thousands of dollars so they can have their home.
when i hear someone i know is a homeowner bitching about child care benefits i always ask how much they got as a first home buyer. they usually go very quiet and say something stupid like “that’s different” nope. it’s a handout. my reply is: “don’t buy a house if you can’t afford it” or “why should i have to pay for your lifestyle choices”. shuts them up quickly.
disclaimer: i am a homeowner who never got the first home owners grant. i have two kids, got a baby bonus for both of them and get Family Tax benefit B (but the amount i get isn’t worth the hassle of dealing with centrelink)
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to all those people that can’t stand the thought of ‘their’ taxes going to the welfare system, just imagine your taxes are paying for road upgrades etc. Then you won’t feel so angry about it.
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Hi everyone
Just a quick reminder about our dinner party rules please. We want everyone to be able to give their point of view and I recognise that these is a vigorous debate happening around this article – and that’s great.
But at the same time make sure you’re giving your opinion respectfully (both of the author and the other commenters) or your post will be deleted. You can disagree without being rude.
Thanks and have a great Saturday evening.
Jamila
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I’m so shocked by the narrow-mindedness from people commenting on this article.
Fact of the matter is, without some social security, you leave your society wide open to larger, more serious issues. Homelessness, organised crime and the systematic depersonalisation of entire ‘classes’ of people are serious issues which occur in countries with no social security.
I have lived for extended periods, in France (no social security) and England (loads, which they are cutting back on) and I can happily tell you where I would want to live. I have taught in both countries, and I can tell you where more 14 year old girls leave school (not really by choice) to strip or prostitute themselves.
And for those of you lucky enough with a family to support you if anything went wrong in your life- shame on you for your lack of compassion. Australia is fast becoming the most ego-centric, navel gazing and xenophobic in the developed world.
And opinion is one thing. Judging someone when you have not walked in their shoes… well how would you like it if someone did that to your partner/child/mother. Oh, thats right, you can’t think like that. It takes compassion.
And to all the people out there on welfare- don’t feel shame. Don’t feel awkward. I would rather support your ability to find shelter and food than pay multi-millions, leading to billions for Nick D’arcy to have a swim in London.
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The most sensible worded post on this site.
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I agree with eveything you say completely with the exception of the welfare state in France. I’ve lived in both the UK and France and only moved back from France this year. France does have a welfare state, however it is only available to those with residency usually claimed through marriage (PACS relationships don’t count) and to French and EEA nationals.
In fact my BIL was on the chommage (dole) for two years because he could earn as much as if he were working taking into account transport costs and the like.
The real problem in France is the SMEC, or minimum wage, as compared to the dole. Many people are better off financially on the dole than working in minimum wage jobs.
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Bravo, Narrow! Well said!
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“Narrow” is correct. The societal importance of the welfare state is not to be underestimated. 9000 children in America die every year simply because their parents cannot pay the medical profession to keep them alive. Obama has tried to rectify this situation. Romney wants now to abolish his reforms. We in Australia solved this problem long ago. This discussion need not even be occurring if “narrow’s” call to compassion, which necessitates an attempt to put ourselves in the position of others, is heeded.
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9000 children! So they are actually turned away from hospitals or they are admitted but can’t afford medications? Or is it expensive treatments like chemotherapy that they can’t afford. That’s really shocking for a first world country.
I think a system like they have in Germany would be great here. Everyone pays into a health fund and everyone can receive good quality health care. I worry though that Australia is headed in the same direction as America.
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America is not a first world country. Over half of their country is third world. Remember new Orleans a few years back. USA is not the place to be if you don’t have a good job and somewhere to live.
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I re-read the article and can see your point. I do understand that as a child she had no say in the matter.
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I just wanted to point out to the braying masses, when you have a whinge about “your” taxes being spent/wasted you are showing your stupidity. They’re not YOUR taxes, you pay the government and it becomes their money, like it or not. You can’t actually complain as if someone is taking the money from your wallet because they’re not.
I received Centrelink payments as well as working while at uni, and I am very happy to live in a country that supports all kinds of needs. There will always be those that rip the system off, but for the vast majority it is a welcome relief, and one I am happy to support via taxes.
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Exactly! You pay the taxes, it’s no longer your money! You don’t hear employers telling their employees how to spend their wages! Can you imagine? “I can’t believe the crap they bought with the wages I paid! I shouldn’t have to pay them wages if that’s how they’re going to waste MY money!”
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The government is employed by the people and as such it is democratically quite correct that the people get some say on how the government performs and yes, also on how they spend tax dollars.
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That doesn’t make any sense at all! Employers don’t get to tell their employees to spend their wages. Does your boss tell you how much to spend on groceries? Think about it!
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Of course it makes sense. If I didn’t do my job, my boss would be well within my rights to not pay me! The government have stood to run the country on our behalf, therefore they do need to be held accountable for how they spend the money that the general public “give” them in taxes. It isn’t some kind of black hole that we just pour money into, and expect no accountability….ohhh, wait…;)
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While I understand where you’re coming form, A-nonny-nonny, unfortunately your argument is a little flawed. No, employers don’t get to tell employees how to spend their wages. Because there is a fundamental difference between money earned and money paid in tax. The employee earned their money. They provided a service for which they were paid. Taxes are compulsorily taken – they are not earned by government.
We probably all have things we don’t like tax money being spent on. Personally, I’m really pissed off with all the corporate welfare that gets handed out to the big end of town. Why doesn’t anyone complain about that when they start bitching about welfare?
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exactly Betty Boop, we should be more up in arms about the completely over the top life time pensions handed to retired politicians. Or the excessive perks, allowances, ect they receive . Absolutely disgraceful!!!!
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I agree with you to a certain extent Phary, however I don’t think we have a right to be so specifically judgemental. From the comments appearing here there seems to be plenty of people who think they have a right to make comment on individuals’ situations when that it just not right. Complain all you want about a generalised overspend by the government but don’t bitch to/about the person receiving the benefits.
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I’ve been on welfare for almost 20 years. I have 7 children to 4 different (deadbeat) dads. My ex husband is a police officer (I had my 1st 3 children) with him – we were married. I was married at 16, divorced with 3 kids at 21. I am 40 now and my youngest child is 2. I am from a very middle class family where I am the only one out of the entire extended family to have received welfare. My 16 year old son and my 19 year old son have Aspergers syndrome. My oldest son is a trainee manager at coles and my oldest daughter has a year to go on her bachelor of education degree (she is married and has a 1 year old son). My 19 year old aspie son is a hard working labourer. I guess you could run a story about me on ACA and say I’m rorting the system. I don’t see it that way. I haven’t been lucky enough to have the stability of a long term relationship or marriage. I have been literally left holding the baby whilst the father got on with his life. It’s been a repeating pattern. I feel incredibly lucky to be living in Australia and I’m grateful for everything I have received. I am not lazy and I want to work. I am studying Aged Care at the moment. But don’t just judge a book by its cover. Single mother of 7 on welfare for nearly 20 years sounds horrendous. I am so much more than that. For one, I am lucky. Secondly, I have raised all my kids all by myself because as I said, the father’s got on with their lives and moved on (all have other children now that they are raising). I am not claiming to be the worlds best mum. But I’m proud of the fact that I have raised my kids well. And I haven’t been lucky enough to have family support of any kind either, except I get some now from my 3 grown up kids with my younger ones (they’ve grown up to be lovely people). I couldn’t have done what I’ve done without the ‘safety net’ of centrelink payments. I’m sure I’ll be judged though because my family does (none of whom have ever had to be on welfare).
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It’s not mother of 7 on welfare that surrounds horrendous. It is 4 different dads. What were you thinking???
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Hope you mean the mum of seven and not me. Although I did break all my own non judgemental rules and felt a bit guilty about saying what some others were just thinking.
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Actually healthcare does not subsidise contraception at all, FYI.
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It’s not unheard of for women to fall pregnant while using contraception , I did.
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I think the whole point of welfare is to help support people to be able to live a dignified life and to as far as is possible, contribute to society. That includes having stable housing and education, and guess what? That enables them to be taxpayers too!!
This is what this lady had done. She has raised her kids and as she points out the older ones are hard working, dare I say it, tax paying and caring members of the community. I think you are missing her point and the point if this whole piece, and the point of welfare!
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Exactly, Kirri!
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Exactly, Kirri!
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After my marriage broke up I went to University and started a bachelor of Science degree. I met the father of my 4th child there and was still heavily involved in the cult I grew up in (I was married off at 16). I was very naive and obviously I knew how babies were made but all I’m going to say there is don’t judge. You can’t know what my life was like. It was another 4 and a half years until I had another baby. I had no relationships during that time. No friends either as I’d been excommunicated from the cult I grew up in because of the unwed pregnancy. I babysat for a single father a couple of times and being very lonely (I had no friends or family) I slept with that man a couple of times. Are you still judging me? She I not have done that? I recall that a condom wasn’t used in the heat of the moment the 1st occassion that we did it. That’s enough details. It only takes once. As soon as that man found out I was pregnant he announced that this would be the 13th child he had produced, all different mothers. He had custody of 1. He disappeared and I haven’t ever heard from him again. It was 6 years after that before I decided I was very lonely, still had no friends, and tried online dating. I met the father of my youngest 2 children. On moving in together he came off a single parents payment and became a job seeker but could not hold down a job because of mental illness (which I had all the fun of finding out about after we moved in together – spectacularly). He left when after 3 months living together. At the time we had 8 kids between us, all living together in a tiny 3 bedroom house. He had come off his medications when he met me (again, I had no idea). The next 18 months were hell, he is actually a very controlling and cruel man. I moved back in with him when our daughter was 11 months old and it lasted 4 weeks that time, and I was on the pill. I had been convinced to ‘try again’ for the sake of his 3 children so they would have a mother. He is the champion of emotional manipulation. So, now I am still single, afraid of ever having a relationship again, and I still have no friends. Like I said, never judge a book by its cover. You can’t possibly know what has happened in life to get them to the point where they are now. I did not plan to have 7 children with 4 fathers. It just happened. Lucky all of you who have judged me a terrible person, because I’m guessing you all have been lucky enough to find men worthy of you.
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For all those people judging those on welfare payments, consider this: would you prefer to live in Australia or a country that does not support those in need?
Sure there are probably people out there who don’t deserve their full entitlement but why should that matter to you? I don’t have any statistics to show but I’m sure the wealthy rort the tax system more than anyone on welfare payments.
To assume that anyone on welfare is choosing not to work is ridiculous. Please make sure you understand any facts before you judge anyone.
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This has come as reply to my comment about what was she thinking. Yes, I am judging but I did not mention welfare. You are judging me!
The children in this situation are my concern and it sounds like they need to be recipients of welfare. How is 4 different fathers, none of whom stick around, providing stability, security and emotional well being for these children .
The mother clearly has issues.
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yes I have issues. never said I didn’t. Might be something or other to do with being raised in a cult and being excommunicated from said cult. Or being married off at 16 with the Pastor officiating the ceremony being my father. Don’t judge – you don’t what leads a person to where they end up. All things considered, I don’t think I’ve done too badly.
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My grown up 3 children are not recipients of welfare payments, none at all. The other 4 children are still at home and I have no reason to believe they won’t be responsible tax paying citizens in due course too
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No, I didn’t mean in the future. I just meant that I have no problem with you getting welfare for your children. They shouldn’t suffer because of your choices. It sounds as though you have done a good job with them. My original comment was never about welfare at all.
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Sounds to me like you’ve done a pretty good job in difficult circumstances.
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my apologies for the misunderstanding and thankyou. I’m feeling a little over sensitive, I think
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This was meant to be a separate comment not necessarily in reply to what anyone wrote in response to Guest.
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We went to the US last year and heard some really frightening unemployment stats: unemployment officially was 10%, but estimates put it closer to 30%. I really enjoyed visiting America, but seeing beggars on the streets, even in the freezing cold was very hard to handle. I know we have homeless here, but given our welfare difference, I wonder how much of a difference there is.
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There were beggars in the street in the boom times as well. More shocking to me was wandering around Toronto, Canada in the middle of winter and seeing people sleeping on the streets. Kind of expect it in the US, but not Canada
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I live in Vancouver in Canada and was so shocked at the amount of homelessness here… there are beggars everywhere in the downtown district.
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Of course it happens here too but Canada is the comparable country to Australia so it’s interesting to see whats happening there.
Sometimes people don’t want or are unable to access government or non government help . This can be for various reasons. Also in NSW services cannot keep up with the numbers of people who need assistance.
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Yes, I’m aware of the fact that there were beggars in boom time as well. I guess for me, it just highlighted the major differences between our welfare systems.
While lack of welfare will foster ambition better, it can still be cruel. Just as welfare such as ours can foster laziness.
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Like button has disappeared but I agree.
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What is wrong with you?
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7 kids equals 7 future tax-payers – you’re investing in Australia’s economic future
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Or second generation welfare recipients. It happens.
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Of my 7 children, 3 are grown up and finished school and are tax payers, not on welfare. Of my other 4 children, 2 are still in school and my youngest 2 aren’t old enough to be in school yet. I have no reason to believe they won’t all be tax paying citizens, as I myself will be soon too
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Guest- Ignore the harsh comments from people. I am glad that you raised all your children and have encouraged them to pursue jobs and support themselves. What is important is that children are provided with love and attention, and if you were able to give that to them through the support of Centrelink payments, then good on you!
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thanks – I will try and ignore them
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I think it’s terrible that people have judged you. You sound like a good person and I hope that you’re able to remind yourself of that everyday as I assume you would get judged quite often.
The fact that you’ve been able to share your story shows how brave and strong you are.
Everyone needs to understand that your children’s fathers are not taking responsibility for their actions whereas you are. Some people really need to be more understanding.
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can’t see the like button, but i “like” your comment.
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i totally agree, where is the ‘LIKE’ button???
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thankyou. I wasn’t quite brave enough to use my name, but anyway, thanks
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You’ve had your fingers burned, but don’t be scared to get out the matches again if you meet a nice guy. People can get judgemental about the situations people find themselves in. If you’ve raised seven decent human beings on your own, then you’ve probably done a better job than some people in so called ‘stable’ relationships.
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Not sure how many men would want a woman with 7 kids…
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Not sure how many men like judgemental people either…
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And yet nobody noticed that she is studying Aged Care. Her life has not been the most enjoyable, but she has the love of her babies. Her choices have not been the best, but then whose have? And yet here she is studying as a single mother, so she can support her family and regain some sense of self worth after being treated badly by everyone else in her life besides her children. And to top it off, she wants to enter a profession that gives back to the community who supported her. One that is noble and selfless. So to the negative commentators I ask, can you claim a life that gives back? Pull your heads in on the judgement…you never know who will be looking after you or your loved ones when they need it the most. It could be this lady…would you judge her so harshly then?
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thankyou Lozcat11
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@ Lozcat11. I have 9 kids, all different fathers, have been on welfare for 15 years if you count me not working before I had kids.. Do you have the same compassion for me as now I am thinking of having another kid to this bloke I met. Then I will think about getting a job…
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It’s times like this I wish there was a thumbs-down button.
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@Lisa…do you want my compassion? I believe we should all have compassion for all living things. So yes, i have compassion for you. Yet i am curious as to why you have asked me, out of all the commenters on this thread, if I have compassion for you.
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It’s a shame you had to justify your situation but hopefully it will make people open their eyes and hearts a bit more.
It seems like you deserve praise not criticism- so well done on what you have achieved.
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Thanks MissK
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Guest, thank you for sharing your story. And I’m sorry it got to the stage where you had to give more detail of your situation, following other people’s judgment. To overcome the challenges you have experienced, without the support of your extended family, shows that you have great courage and resilience. The love for your children is obvious, as is your desire to give them the best. All of these qualities are so well-suited to the aged care work you are studying for. Good luck with your studies and I hope you have a happy and bright future.
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thankyou.
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What I find interesting is that ALL of the fathers involved get to resume their ‘normal’ lives, sans responsibility, whilst ‘guest’ is derided for looking after 7 children. Sounds like yet another case of ‘how dare you be female?’ to me. Why aren’t we holding the men who fathered these children to account as well? Why hadn’t our society empowered ‘guest’ enough to tell Mentally Unstable Guy to bugger off? Women continue to suffer disproportionately, and WOMEN should be leading the charge to change this. I’m sure if ‘guest’s’ story was told in a different context, we would all be charging towards her father with pitchforks and flaming torches. Marrying off a sixteen year old is illegal. If she had said, “I was a victim of child trafficking” rather than “I live off welfare” I believe the reception would have been totally different.
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Good on you Guest, for surviving the cult, and managing to raise what sounds like good kids! I cant stand people who dont have the emotional intelligence to have some humanity and compassion! And if that sounds judgemental, true, and
they are comfortable middle class educated people, who have the capacity to learn and develop that emotional intelligence.
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thanks Alexandra and masd270248
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i suggest you get your tubes tied. there is absolutely no excuse to have so many children in this day and age, it didnt just ‘happen’ you wanted it to. the pill is $5 a month! and if i met a guy who had 13 children to different mothers id run for hill as id assume hed try and inpregnate me too! and your young daughter already is married and has a child? bogan much?
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My god you’re jugemental for a person who knows nothing about me or my family. Being married at 21 with a baby does not make my daughter a bogan. You are ignorant. My daughter is the least ‘bogan’ person I know. She is in the 4th year of a bachelor of education degree, for which she won a scholarship to study. She works hard – mother, student and part time music teacher. She claims no welfare payments whatsoever. Not even family assistance (her husband has a well paid job).
And actually, the man you are referring to who fathered all those children did not tell me about all the other children he’d fathered until I was already pregnant. It was part of his ‘I’m never going to see you again’ speech.
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Yes – I do. A friend of mine, whose partner decided he didn’t want to marry her after all – so walked out on her and their 6 month old. Then he shacked up with a young woman from work. My friend is now trying to set up her own business from home, as well as care for her infant, and get back on track with every thing. I think it’s great that is something there for someone in such a situation.
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So tell me, what benefit is it that allows you to stay home and set up a small business. I’d like to apply for that.
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People start or try to start small businesses from home with virtually no money at all, all the time. Don’t be such an obnoxious turd.
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Do you kiss your kids with that mouth?
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Actually, it was her fingers…….
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God you’re rude. Do you talk to people like that face to face?
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Ha! You are calling ME rude… now that’s a laugh har har har
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Thats a nasty word. Don’t dilute your point by lowering yourself dear.
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thanks Lucinda – yeah I think she is doing it at no or low cost – set up a website and so on. I know she has done everything to try and reconcile and so on – but her partner has heaps of issues that make things very difficult.
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also she is in a rental paying market rents – not in commission housing
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I think she is on some kind of parenting benefit – I haven’t asked if she is receiving anything else. She may be getting some help from her former partner towards care of the child. I know she isn’t sitting around on her bum feeling sorry for herself, but trying to find a way forward earning her own living.
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I have no problem with the welfare system. I strongly believe that people on it should be subject to random drug tests. Their children should be attending school and if they don’t want t work for the dole they should be volunteering, somewhere , somehow. Schools need gardeners, wetlands need replanting, beaches need de-littered and graffiti needs to be removed. It’s not that hard Centrelink. If you can’t find the job, the government should give you one.
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For those who are unemployed (single parents are a different case) I think there should be by default an obligation to perform a number of hours of community service each week – say calculated by the cash benefit after taxes divided by the minimum wage.
I wouldn’t suggest it be strictly enforced, but people should be able to demonstrate that they at least get close to meeting that goal.
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I love when people complain about tax payers funding others’ lifestyles. You do know that roads are funded by taxes – presumably you have driven on them before? Schools are too – if you went to school, you have benefited from tax. Ever been to see a doctor, received a vaccination or were born in hospital? It was my taxes that paid for that. Have your bins taken away regularly and have potable water? Yes, taxes again. Ever been to a library or watched the ABC? Perhaps not. But if you have, it is tax that has funded that.
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The responses to this post are often funny and mostly predictable. You are always going to get strong views on this topic but indignant or defensive responses don’t really add to the conversation. Sweeping statements also detract from the discussion.
We need public housing. In my opinion, we do not need whole suburbs of them. It was logical to build them that way once upon a time, until time showed the downside of this. A long time ago, I taught primary school in a 100% housing commission suburb for quite a long time. The school was well resourced being classed as socioeconomically disadvantaged and in many ways that was useful. We were able to provide experiences and opportunities for those children they may not have received elsewhere.
Sadly, when you have so many people in the same circumstances, the lifestyle which many of us regard as an abberation becomes normalised. If your parents don’t work and none of your friend’s parents work, it is easy to think that that is how the world works. When I was a student, I hung out with other students, we were all poor so didn’t feel deprived. I think it is similar. Except in our case most of us knew another life and also it was temporary.
It is difficult for those who have not seen it, to understand just how much violence, crime and abuse goes on in these areas. Combine that with a dislike of authority in many cases and an undervaluing of education and you have a recipe for what we have today. There are many families in Australia who have 3 generations of unemployment. There are children in primary school today who have no working role models in their family, neither their parents nor their grandparents have worked. Often in the first generation it was not necessarily by choice but again has become normalised. It isn’t always seen as a problem to be fixed.
Back in the 90′s they tried to combat this problem by buying individual houses in ordinary suburbs and designating them as public housing. I have no information on the success of this strategy but it sounded like a good idea to me.
The issue of women mentioned below, who have multiple single pregnancies to more than one father, is a different issue again. Education and self esteem seem to be key here. Recognising that you don’t need a man to save you, or a baby to love you or a baby to trap him, would help some women. Anyway, if you aren’t going to work, what else are you going to do? Again though, a lot of women have been through a lot to turn out the way they have.
I know there are welfare recipients who don’t deserve or need welfare but I also know that it is not always as black and white as some people think.
I personally have nothing but respect for those who pull themselves up by the bootstraps, get out of that cycle and become productive members of society. To do that is much harder than it is for many of us and I have wondered how I would have turned out in those circumstances. Would I have had the wherewithal to rise above it? I’m not sure. I imagine, though, that without the aid of scholarships and centrelink, success rates would be lower.
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My mum befriended the down and out- we had money but lived in a mixed area.
I am still blown away by the impact of simple kindness does to people- seeing how others live, other ways to deal with things.
My mum’s kindness in the 80′s is still reaping rewards today – a friend I haven’t seen six I was 6 contacted me recently- she has such profound and happy memories that made up to some extent or her family traumas and disadvantage.
Be kind people- it changes lives
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Daisy – you have written a wonderful post. Thank you so much for articulating so well what I feel so strongly about. I am so saddened by the amount of judgment that occurs when we never know how we will respond to a situation until we’ve walked in a person’s shoes – & I mean really walked in them ie. from the personality they were born with to the inter generational problems they inherited…
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Thanks, Lynne. The like buttons have once again disappeared!
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I loved what you wrote daisy. I was fortunate enough to live in one of those single govt houses set in an ordinary suburb. There were a few of them in our area. I don’t know about the experience from a statistical point of view, but from my own point of view, but living in govt housing in an ordinary neighbourhood, perhaps inspired me to keep the house & yard looking as neat and tidy as possible.
There wasn’t the feeling of shame when handing out our address to other parents either.
I visit people at home in an area filled with govt housing and most of them don’t like the neighbourhood. Says it all I think.
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Thanks. Your comment reminded me that I know of schools that have changed their names, or have deliberately been named with names that do not identify the suburb, to avoid losing prospective enrolments.
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I agree with the others Daisy, well said
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What a well written and articulate article, thanks Rebecca. Reading some of the comments below, however, has saddened me. Yes, people rort the system. A small percentage who shame other recipients genuinely in need of assistance. The people who abuse the system deserve your criticism, folks, but people like Rebecca DON’T.
Instead of dishing out scorn and criticism from where you sit on your high horses, consider what it would be like to walk a mile in another’s shoes. If all else fails, surely at some time in your priveleged upbringing your mother/father/grandmother/grandfather taught you that if you can’t say something nice, you shouldn’t say anything at all.
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I can relate to this. Multi-generational dysfunction summarises my family, all of which (other than myself, my brother and a couple of cousins) are life-long recipients of welfare. I’m not sure how I escaped the same fate, but I am mightily glad that I did. I feel very mixed emotions/opinions towards my family – I am glad that they have ‘the safety net’ (even though it is abused), I feel resentful that they do not try harder to end the cycle of poverty and abuse, and I feel sad that their lives are and will continue to be limited by their own choices and fears (of the real world). The issues are deep, complex and they are tragic. But it shouldn’t be up to the ‘government’ to fix them. I firmly believe if some of the disincentive to succeed were taken away (like putting a time limit on social housing occupation or welfare payments), that people would rise to that challenge and seek something better for themselves out of necessity. The current system just supports people to continue to fail.
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20 years? Seriously? Couldn’t get it together in 20 years? Sounds like a lifestyle decision at taxpayer expense to me.
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The author was a child for most of the 20 years, did you not read it at all?
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Why bother to read? They want to abuse someone. If they had the facts they wouldn’t be able to do that.
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Which I found commenting on another comment earlier, you do get gun-shy.
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I did read it. Were not the parents on welfare for 20 years?
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I daren’t use my actual name here for fear of the abuse I’ll be hurled if I do.
I have a wealthy family who I am estranged from. When I decided to leave home as a teenager I bounced around refuges before settling into a share house for a few years. I started work when I legally could. I finished year 12 in multiple different youth refuges. Some days I literally didn’t have the money to get the bus to school so would either walk or simply not go.
I became acutely unwell several years ago with a mental illness that had been bubbling for years. Over the last few years I have managed to get up on my feet, only to be struck down with an acute episode. I’ve been in & out of hospital & am medicated heavily.
Earlier this year I had to take time off work & my doctors filled out the paperwork for disability support pension, which I receive. I am able to work, but far, far less than what I was & only work a few hours a week at the moment. Whatever I earn means that payment is reduced, which I think is perfectly fair. I also study – just one subject. I am working towards studying hopefully full time next year.
I’ve never borrowed money from friends or family, I pay health insurance out of my income because I don’t want to have to ‘leach’ off medicare. I have no credit cards, no debts. I live in supported accommodation – which means I have a worker visit me weekly & I pay rent. The agency I rent with are trying to push me to go on the public housing list, but I won’t because I think there are people who are much more needy than I am & I want to go into private rental.
Often I have considered moving to a regional/rural area because rent is cheaper, but it would mean I was further away from treatment.
The other week I had a woman at the newsagency lay it on me when I was buying a bus ticket, because I’m “too young to be a pensioner”. She was saying “What’s your disability? What’s your fucking disability? Show me some photo id! I’m sick of people like you buying pension bus tickets when there’s nothing fucking wrong with you!” I showed her my ID, which matches up with my pension card. It was humiliating & everyone in the news agency was starting at her & me.
I’m educated – & in the process of getting further educated. I do actually work (& report this to centrelink fortnightly – I don’t mess with the system). I’m so thankful that I receive an allowance from Centrelink & certainly don’t intend to be on it for the rest of my life.
But still there is so much judgement & that makes very sad.
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So, anti-socialist. If you get hit by a bus and severely incapacitated and cannot work will you stand by your beliefs and go live under a bridge and eat scraps from the bin? If your life changes through no fault of your own? If your TPI doesn’t pay out on a technicality? If your family won’t care for you? Suuuuuuure you will.
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Not everyone has family to support them in times of need, anti-socialist.
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Anti social you arrogant uncaring human being. You make me sick with your lack of compassion and encompass all that humanity lacks.
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How is pointing out the facts picking on people? There’s too much of that in this society. Don’t want to say anything that might offend someone.
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Of course pointing out facts can be a way of picking on people. Sometimes facts can be cruel or hurtful, and they don’t need to be pointed out, and people need a break from looking at them to keep their dignity. And if you choose to point out facts in these circumstances then you certainly are picking on people.
However, in this instance you aren’t doing this. Because you aren’t pointing out any facts. You used a silly ‘gun’ metaphor to pick on a vulnerable person who was doing their best in difficult circumstances, and asking to be treated with dignity. No facts made any appearance in your comment.
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So you have NEVER used medicare? always pay full price at the doctors? ONLY use private medical assistance? Won’t need any pension because you are going to self fund your retirement? and will NEVER allow your money to be decimated by a global financial ‘crisis’
If you are anti socialist why choose to stay in a country which is not? There are plenty who think like you do… go there
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Shhh, please don’t listen to the rants of anti-social, or the ignorant woman in the newsagency.
I can guarantee that the vast majority of Australians are very happy that we supply a welfare safety net and consider it both a privilege and our responsibility to help our most vulnerable.
What gets my blood pressure up is the waste and those who abuse the system. I’m also heartily peed off that this government has wasted 4 BILLION dollars on country shoppers at the expense of our most needy and genuine refugees who could have been helped to a new life.
Shhh, you should be proud of yourself and your efforts and I’m more than happy for my tax dollars to be spent on giving you a hand up.
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Sue, you said that much more politely than I was thinking it.
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I run a maintenance company that does cleaning, amongst other things, in shopping centres. The largest shopping centre is in an area with a high percentage of people reliant on welfare payments. I have morning, afternoon and night shifts available. I have long shifts and short shifts. I pay above award rates and the centre is safe and security is good.
I advertise constantly for workers. The centre link people turn up for an interview but no shift ever suits them. Then they tell me how many hours they can work so their benefits are not reduced. Even when you tailor a job for them it’s often not good enough.
The best workers are retires who want part time to supplement the pension. The new start people and the single parents, forget it.
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How on earth did you manage to get contracts with shopping centres if you are paying above award rates? I worked for a few years as a cleaner and know how cut-throat it is.
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Good question. I have had the contract for 15 years. My profit in now virtually non existent. I also work full time for another company. My wife and I run the business together. We pay penalty rates because we think it is the right thing to do. It’s hard. I employ some people that would find it very difficult to obtain employment elsewhere. My friends call it the sheltered workshop. Thanks for asking.
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