by MIA FREEDMAN
The email arrived while I was in the middle of responding to some fairly hostile questioning on Twitter about Mamamia’s contributors and why we don’t pay them.
It was from a wonderful professional writer, who I know quite well and she was furious with Brian McFadden who has made some comments about women who stay with abusive men. He labelled them ‘pathetic’.
The writer was livid and passionately wanted to speak out, from the point of view of a woman who had been abused and who had chosen – for years – to stay with her partner. She wanted to tell her story, explain her reasons and push back against the ‘pathetic’ label. We have published her moving post on Mamamia today.
So when I’m asked on Twitter about our contributors and why people would want to give Mamamia their written work without financial compensation – 140 characters isn’t quite enough room to respond. The issue is a little bit more complex than that.
People want to write original pieces for Mamamia or have their existing work re-published by us, for many different reasons. We receive hundreds of unsolicited contributions each week, from bloggers, from working journalists, from politicians, from TV and radio personalities, from ordinary women – and some men - who have a story that they want to share.
Sometimes, we approach writers or bloggers because we have seen their work published elsewhere and we think that it is something Mamamia readers would enjoy or find interesting. We ask the writer if we can republish their work and 99% of the time they say yes and are thrilled with the additional exposure. Occasionally, they say no, which is perfectly fine.
We employ 4 full-time writers on Mamamia and 2 part-time writers. We have 2 full-time writers on iVillage.
Some in the Twittersphere would have you believe that these writers live in cages on under my desk and when they get cold in winter, I set fire to a pile of $100 notes so their fingers thaw out enough to keep typing. What can I say, it’s just good business. Keeps them mean and hungry, which is how journalists should be.
But in all seriousness, this great team of people create 70% of the content that you see on our website. And of course they are paid for the work they do. They work incredibly hard, and they are enormously valued – just like our contributors are also valued.
We also have a hardworking team of around a dozen interns. These devastatingly bright young women are university students – mostly studying journalism or media – who volunteer their time in an equitable exchange for the opportunity to work with professional editors, gain valuable online experience and have their work published on Australia’s leading independent lifestyle websites.
I am not saying money is irrelevant. It would be disengenous to suggest that Mamamia is a charity or that we only do it for the greater good of humanity. While we love what we do and are passionate about making a positive difference in the world and entertaining and informing our readers – of course we have a business model.
And yes, we are able to sell advertising space on our website in order to generate revenue. That revenue allows us to employ around 30 people, including the on-staff journalists I mentioned above.
Our other contributors – those who aren’t employed by Mamamia – provide us with their work on a voluntary basis.
This is not unusual.
The reality is that the vast amount of the written work you read on the internet is unpaid. Whether it’s on a huge national opinion site like News Ltd’s The Punch or the vast majority of independent blogs that you read, there are very few websites who pay for opinion and first-person writing.
Some insist that every contributor who appears on a site such as Mamamia or The Punch should be financially compensated. The missing piece of the reality puzzle is this:as a consumer, would you be prepared to pay for every piece of writing you read on the Internet? The 70+ posts we publish each week across Mamamia and ivillage – and the thousands and thousands of archived posts that live on our sites are available to you, our readers, for free.
So until someone can make pay walls or subscription models work for them – that makes paying external writers for their work pretty difficult.
But it’s not just online where these issues occur. The same is true of print media. I have written many unpaid op-eds for Fairfax and I believe News Ltd operates the same way. Over the years, I have often been asked to write or do other work for free. Including by The Walkley magazine which does not pay journalists for their contributions (this was indeed the case when I was approached, that may have changed).
When these requests are made, just like anyone else, I have to consider the value proposition that has been put to me. Is it worth it for me to be involved? Is the benefit I will receive (monetary or otherwise) worth it for the time and effort and creativity that goes into my writing?
This is the same for our contributors.
Nobody is forced or coerced to write for a website.
Over the years Mamamia has grown from a small living room blog to a website that reaches hundreds and thousands of Australian women each month. That is not a small audience. That kind of exposure is valuable. And valuable for many different reasons.
What are some of those reasons? Well, sometimes it’s an author who wants to promote their new book, or a mother who has lost a child and thinks sharing her story might help others in the same position. Sometimes it’s a social justice campaigner who wants to draw attention to an issue they are passionate about, or a politician who wants the opportunity to help people better understand their policy position. Sometimes it’s a young wannabe-journalist who wants to get their name out there, or a blogger who wants to boost their own website’s profile.
Now this value proposition isn’t going to add up for some people. And that is totally and completely fine.
It’s a free market and there are different exchange propositions on offer for people who have a story to tell. Ours is one of them. But we are not going to apologise for offering literally hundreds of previously unpublished writers the chance to share their work with our large and influential audience.
As a direct result, many of those contributors have gone on to land new opportunities – paid gigs, book deals, columns, big jobs, different careers based on the exposure they’ve received on Mamamia. We’re incredibly proud of their success and excited that we got to play a part in making it happen.








95 Comments so far
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I’m confused. You don’t pay contributors because your readers don’t pay to read their contributions.
But I watch TV and listen to the radio, and it costs me nothing. Does that mean that no one in TV or radio gets paid?
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I find it absurd that people who have no idea about the business model of a company like Mamamia are preaching about how they should run their business.
Nobody is being forced to do anything. how is this even an issue?
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I’m baffled as to why this is being made out to be an issue about Mia and Mamamia. This is an industry-wide, world-wide issue.
If we’re not prepared to pay for what we read online, the people who provide to us for free cannot afford to pay for it either.
Do the maths.
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The Punch is owned by Rupert Murdoch. AND THEY DON’T PAY. For 100% of their content!
Opinions are like arseholes – everyone has one.
Which is why they’re not worth money.
I say this respectfully – but just because you write something, it doesn’t mean it’s worth money. It’s a free market.
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I’ve been published on the Punch quite a few times… They don’t pay either FYI.
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I emailed Mia, whom I’d never met, at the advice of Bec Sparrow to ask her to help me become a better writer. She mentored me, provided extensive feedback on my work and encouraged me to stretch myself in terms of subject matter. As a direct result of my Mamamia work, I was chosen by Andrew Denton to be part of the first season of Can of Worms, as a result of that, I was promoted to a national radio show, and am about to submit the first draft of my first book to my publishers, Allen and Unwin. None of which would have happened without to support of Mia and her team.
I have been in the entertainment industry for 20 years. I started out doing stand up for free too, and through the experience of gigging and the mentorship of professionals around me, I became a pro myself. I went through the same process in radio, working for free at Triple Z in Brisbane and Triple R in Melbourne.
I’ve never felt entitled to a public platform. I’ve always expected to have to work very hard to earn it, and I’ve always found it most unproductive to sit around bitching about what other people are doing.
Thank you Mamamia.
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I would also like to thank Mamamia for this for a world without Meshel Laurie’s voice is one I do not enjoy.
Wish holidays were over so you were back on my radio
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That is awesome.
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I remember the first time I wrote for Mamamia. I was so excited to see my work published I didn’t do any actual work all day and took my girlfriends out for champagne that night to celebrate.
As an upcoming journalist, being published on the site gave me substance for my portfolio and – I think – landed me my first job.
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There’s been some comparison in these comments to MM’s unpaid writers and interns and students studying professions such as medicine or nursing.
However, there is a striking difference between the two; a student undertaking an internship/placement is working towards a definite end goal that will (usually) result in a degree and career. Writing for free for MM increases your exposure but doesn’t actually guarantee anything.
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If your looking for guarantees in media, your in the wrong business.
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No Meshel, Lou is making the point that it’s disingenous to compare practicum requirements of a university degree to undertaking numerous unpaid internships.
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There are no guarantees in life!
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I can’t believe you even have to justify yourself in this way. As someone else mentioned below, I would pay to have an article published on mamamia! People are weird.
Mia, you rock
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Agree! Love your work mamamia
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Ha! I would pay too!
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I’m in two minds. I read the Hoopla’s article about paying for writers and I assumed something was going down on MM about that. I think I had read somewhere MM doesn’t pay some contributors. I dont think I know enough about it all to comment but it does seem a bit disengenuous. I also know that my hubby has a business and that it is very tough. Staff are paid, he is not, ever. People assume you make money but in this particular industry, no way.
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You make a really good point; if you are a business owner and things are tough, you pay your staff before yourself. Not the other way around.
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Hi Lou,
Just to be clear, all of our writing staff (including me!) are paid and we are responsible for 70% of the content on Mamamia. In the post about Mia is talking about people who don’t work for MM but send us submissions, asking to be published on the site.
Cheers,
Jamila
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I think Mamamia has more readers than the Hoopla yeah? So maybe you get $50 by being published on the hoopla but you get a lot more exposure being published on mamamia? i guess it depends on what you’re looking for as an individual!
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Re: Unpaid interns. As previously mentioned by others, there are many professions that require unpaid practicums whilst completing a degree. I dealt with this by taking out student loans through the govt while studying which I repaid once I started working fulltime after graduating. Others juggled part time work around their pracs (which I didnt want to do hence the loans). There were few, if any, students who didnt do one or the other, whether they came from wealthy backgrounds or not. Employers and agencies spend a great deal of time teaching students and interns their profession and it is invaluable experience for the students and often leads to job offers after graduation. It is also a way for working professionals to “give back” by helping to educate and train the next generation of social workers/nurses/journalists, etc. Paying students to apply their learning and gain experience is not practical or fair for the employer and would result in little or no placements for students. MM not paying their interns is completely normal and is basically the norm in every industry or profession.
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I can only thank Mamamia for the doors it has opened for me. They have been nothing but generous and from memory, no gun was ever held to my head to make me write these articles for free. I owe them a lot. Regardless of what the ‘ideal’ should be, we have all had the choice here. x
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I would have paid MM to publish me. To be involved in these conversations with such amazing women has been a gift to me and has fed and developed my writing. My blog gets extra traffic. And at the end of the day it is my choice to contribute. Money isn’t the only currency.
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Interns aren’t paid?
So the interns you are employing are generally the privileged ones who have the money and time to live nearby in Sydney and study without needing to earn money?
The problem with not paying interns is that you self-select from a very small and narrow viewpoint of the world. Which might be fine for Mamamia I guess if that’s your target audience – but it does restrict your interns to a certain demographic.
I got paid for my undergraduate experience but I work in a technical field where unpaid internships were unheard of.
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I think it’s fair enough interns aren’t paid.. Nurses and teachers, for example, do hundreds of hours of practical work throughout university without pay. Many travel long distances and live within a tiny budget to do so too…
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Law has no practicum requirement. There are clerkships and summer internships offered. They are all paid and paid reasonably well. Equality of opportunity and all that.
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I don’t get this issue with unpaid interns. They are volunteers and there is no mention that they have to work full time, indeed I suspect that as there are 12 or so of them that they work casually when they can. So this idea that they have to be pretty rich things makes no sense and is more appropriate for the American standard of interns who work unpaid for months and months full time. Perhaps I will show my age with this, but I don’t understand this concept that people with little to no experience need to be paid for everything they do. In my day, starting off in my industry (arts based) you had to do some volunteer work to get a foot in the door. I still use volunteers when I can find them, but these days it’s hard to find people who will work for the experience.
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Interns are completely different from undergraduate program’s. I was an intern and didn’t get paid all my friends yup interns that didn’t get paid all my uni peers yup they where unpaid interns too.
We where all still at uni getting the experience to put on our resumes when we finished uni. Some of these intern positions led to full time employment. We where there to work to gain the wisdom of those who above us taking their valuable time to teach and guide us. Of course we didn’t get paid they gave us more then that
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Hi Bec,
I think there are several generalisations going on here.
First things first, our interns are students, who are generally getting credit for the time they spend at Mamamia towards their university courses. They are also getting the chance to work with professional writers and editors, who work with them to improve their writing and publishing skills.
The majority of our interns are Sydney based but that’s simply a reality of where our offices are (although we do have two outstanding women who live in Newscastle and Canberra respectively).
Our interns are like any other university students (although I’d venture we’ve got some of the smartest, most switched on students in the country helping us out) – some of them live at home, some are in share houses, some work part time jobs, some work more than one job.
The implication that they are all privileged rich and have narrow viewpoints is both unfair and unjustified.
Jamila
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“Some in the Twittersphere would have you believe that these writers live in cages on under my desk and when they get cold in winter, I set fire to a pile of $100 notes so their fingers thaw out enough to keep typing. What can I say, it’s just good business. Keeps them mean and hungry, which is how journalists should be.” ABSOLUTE GOLD! These are the articles I keep coming back for! I love fired up Mia….. she is my favourite!!!
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I can understand not paying one-off submissions, people who are starting out, testing the waters, etc. and being able to justify that as a fair exchange. But I’m sort of shocked that some of the other contributors, who aren’t on the editorial team, but have pieces published regularly, aren’t paid? (Without wanting to get in to personal business, but wanting to illustrate my point, people like Shankari and Kylie Ladd spring to mind). These are writers who are major drawcards, have written some of the most interesting pieces on here, and the fact that they don’t get paid seems wrong. Any job can lead to further opportunities down the track, nobody seems to think that a registrar shouldn’t get paid because the work they do now will help them when they become a consultant. It simply does not seem fair, and in fact makes it seem like you are taking advantage of the fact that writing is a very competitive field with more writers than jobs. If i were in charge of MM I would have some sort of system where regularly published writers (especially those for which the comments are filled with I love your writing type messages) get paid.
Also, if you paid the writers, I expect you would get a much higher quality of pieces submitted, which would be a good thing.
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Hey, thanks!!! (Disclaimer: I wouldn’t know Tripitaka if I fell over her/him in the street, but I love her. Or him.)
I saw this post when I got home earlier today and have been wavering about adding anything for fear of looking like an ungrateful sod. I am *very* grateful for the exposure my writing (and thus hopefully by extension my novels) have had via MM, and also for the feedback I’ve received- a rare thing indeed for a freelancer. It’s been important and of value to me in many ways.
That said, I was also thinking of suggesting exactly what Tripitaka has- maybe some payment, even nominal, for those who have contributed a number of posts, maybe 10 or more? That represents a certain degree of committment on both sides, recognises the relationship between content producer and content presenter, and would give newer writers something to aspire to and encourage them to keep writing for the site. I guess I’m thinking of peole like Kerri Sackville and Kirsty Rice here- people whose content is fabulous, and draws readers in, and helps creates the whole “vibe” (cf. The Castle) of the site.
(Disclaimer 2: Kerri and Kirsty are my friends. More than that though, they’re both damn fine writers.)
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I was surprised to read to MM writers aren’t paid, really surprised. I feel naive for believing otherwise. Why can’t there be a flat, & fair, rate per article? Mia gave the example of the woman who felt compelled to write about her experience after reading an offensive tweet – how fantastic, but why shouldn’t she be paid for that? I would rather see fewer articles of greater quality to allow this to happen. Has MM legitimately explored a sustainable business model for paying their writers, or is this something they aspire to? I am curious. In the meantime, feels a bit wrong and I’m disappointed.
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But why should a random woman with no expertise on the subject matter be paid for writing an article based on a Tweet she found offensive? To me this is absolutely ludicrous and I can’t believe we are even debating it.
Kylie Ladd (above), as I understand, is a psychologist so if she wrote an article on domestic violence she should be paid for it, even if she doesn’t specialise in that area, at least she’s demonstrated her knowledge of human behaviour. But I don’t understand why a random woman who has an opinion on what someone said on Twitter, should be paid for that opinion.
Like someone else had already said, opinions are like arseholes, we’ve all got one, so why should we pay to hear yours?
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‘ keep them mean and hungry’ love it! Great comeback Mia!
Something happened recently at a work Christmas event that made me so angry and wondering when the lines between having a laugh and sexual harassment got so blurred. When I got home the only thing that could calm me down was writing about it, I wanted answers and I wanted to feel better about it, I didn’t even think about whether I would be paid or not. The only place I could think of that might publish a piece like this from a non -writer was Mamamia.So I completely understand why people are happy to write for this site for free, it can be so cathartic and a great way to reach out to the Mamamia community. Saying that though, I’m not a professional writer and I have another income.
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You know what jacks me off??? People making the assumption that Mia (or any blogger/media owner/business owner) is rolling in the dollars. It is bloody HARD running a business – and being responsible for the wages (livelihood) of staff is possibly the most stressful thing ever. Does everyone think that Mia is stashing her cash under the mattress and laughing at the idiots who are happy to do something for nothing??? Hardly. If she can ‘pay’ people with exposure at this point in her (still relatively) new business’s life cycle then good on her. She might be asset rich and cash poor so doing what she can. Why should she, as the business owner, take all the risks and then be expected to hand over any money she does make? She might not even need all those submissions that come in…but she uses them because they are good/interesting/relevant…
I feel like this is a total rant, so sorry if so, but I’ve seen too many small business owners go without to try and keep people happy…& compete with big business (who have big budgets) & I think people need to remember that Mia started this ALL ON HER OWN and is probably STILL paying for expenses of setting up something like this. If she’s making a profit she should buy herself and her family a holiday overseas and a great pair of shoes…not pay people who don’t actually work for her.
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Actually the Punch and Mamamia are the exceptions- most media outlets in Australia DO pay their writers. Even smaller sites such as Crikey & the Hoopla, not to mentioned bigger operators like the ABC, ninemsn and Fairfax.
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Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. I don’t believe that any intern or contributer, given the choice, would agree to work for free. I don’t believe this is something, absent doing philanthropic work for charitable causes (which MM is not), any of us would chose for our children either. The voices on this site are often from the most marginalised. Paying them for their contribution is both ethical and fair. Your online metrics are able to track those pieces written by your unpaid contributors (and interns) and will know which drive online revenue to your site. Perhaps you could introduce a payment to those which result in meaningful revenue for MM.
I would rather see less content, knowing the contributors were being paid, than more.
Alternatively, I’d suggest MM considering offering a paid stipend or scholarship to one of the journalism schools out there – recognising that, but for the quality of the writing of all, there would be no site and conversation at all.
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TWELVE interns? What do you have them all doing if I can ask?
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Work that in any other business would be done by paid employees.
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Hi Cara,
Each of our interns comes in one day a week – usually one helps out on iVillage and one on Mamamia. They’re not all here at once – I’m not sure we could fit them!!!
They were chosen from hundreds of university students who applied and I think it’s a really great thing we’re able to offer this opportunity to 12 young people who are hoping to work in the industry once they complete their studies.
They are getting experience using WordPress (our operating platform) and do things like loading posts, helping choose images and undertaking research.
Our interns also do a lot of their own writing and then have the opportunity to work with Mia, myself or the rest of the team to polish it up to the standard required for publication.
Cheers,
Jamila
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I used to be be a writer and lack of payment is one of the reasons I retrained. I would put my all into an article, only to be paid either a pittance or nothing. There seemed to be a mentality that writers should be honoured to be published and included in the “glamorous” world of the media. Eventually I got sick and tired of it. The media is a very low-paying industry; the pay-rates are ridiculous and employers need to realise you can’t pay your rent in cool points.
I think it was ok for Mia not to pay contributors in the early days of Mamamia, but at this point it seems a bit unfair. You guys even have an online shopping site, so it seems only fair to share your sucess with the writers that have helped you achieve it.
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I’m a writer, and I will not write for other people for free. I did that for a little while at uni but never again. I didn’t study journalism at uni to not get paid for it, and just because you’re writing about something you feel passionate about doesn’t mean it’s not worth anything. Using the excuse that your website gets lots of hits is laughable. If it was so successful then surely you could give these contributors a mere $30 for an article. I write several articles a month for $30, and they’re a lot less researched and honed as the articles I write for $150.
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I don’t necessarily disagree with you…but aren’t you writing for free right now?
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i also send emails for free, and i don’t charge for text messages anymore. i think i was referring to professional writing. professional writers should get paid for it.
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But surely payment of writers is dependant on various things – if I send an unsolicited article to Mamamia, why should I expect them to pay me for it? If I want to get my opinion or thoughts on something out to a wide audience, why should someone pay me for it? A commissioned piece is different and in that case, yes, there should be recompense for that. But I don’t think that is what is being discussed here. Something also to consider is the amount of backlash Mamamia receives when something is written that is deemed by readers to be “wrong”, “insensitive”, etc. Imagine that fury that would happen if external writers were paid for it (think anything to do with childbirth or rearing of children…)
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I have written a few pieces for MM. I did it because I wanted to give something back to the site I loved so much. (Back in the days when I had more time to hang out here!)
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I was so proud to have a piece published on MM that I took myself out to lunch to celebrate! Like other contributors have said, I wrote for MM because I wanted to inform and discuss an important issue with intelligent women (and fellas!) and MM is the perfect platform. Money didn’t factor into the equation at all.
The issues I like to write about are generally controversial, or at least thought provoking, so when the comments section exploded (in the times before pre-moderated comments) I had nothing but constant support from Lana and the MM team . They really look after their contributors and it was for this reason that I’d love to post more pieces. I feel a real sense of inclusion and support and frankly love being a small part of the MM community!
I’m in the process of writing a few more posts that I think are both relevant and interesting to the MM community (they’re coming Jamila, promise!) so watch this space
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I think unpaid internships led to inequity. It means that people who need to work to support themselves through Uni can’t get their ‘foot in the door’. Interested in Mia’s perspective.
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Agree completely
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Absolutely agree. Its why Park St is full of eastern suburbs girls and hence why magazines are so out of touch with reality.
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There are plenty of uni degrees around where unpaid work placement is a course requirement – engineering, teaching, nursing etc. I think it’s fine for mm to offer unpaid internships. If students are willing to exchange some of their time for valuable work experience, something to put on their cv and no doubt a solid reference, then why not?
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There’s a difference between an intern straight out of college and a professional freelancer.
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Those internships undertaken as part of a degree are usually – if not always? – undertaken as part of a unit of study and therefore, are actually credited towards the degree …. (as opposed to internships students undertake on their own, to gain experience or make contacts etc) …
I’m not sure in which capacity most students are working at Mamamia??
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Yeah, in my teaching degree, our Professional Experience is actually part of professional studies subject in the semester we do the prac teaching.
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Undergraduate engineering internships aren’t unpaid.
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Engineering does have a requirement to do 3 months of professional placement for graduation, it’s a requirement to get your degree.
But engineers get paid for it. Some silly people do the three months for free, but in the construction industry we pay them quite well.
I think it’s exploitation to expect people to work for nothing and it should be illegal.
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Agree. There is no way I would have been able to afford to take weeks out of my part time job while I was at uni for work experience.
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We have interns at work (a private not-for-profit). They have part time jobs on top to support themselves. They are not rich kids at all, no or little parental support.
We cannot afford to pay them a real wage, but do pay them something (admittedly tiny). They work their guts off for 6 months and then nearly always step into very good 1st job, to a large degree due to the study/intense internship combo. I think unpaid internships are ok, but only for 6months very max in order to start out a career.
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If something is already written and on the blog, it’s out there to be shared. If I pitch an idea/piece to a mag/website I expect to get paid for it.
It’s that simple.
I’m embarrassed to admit that as a blogger/writer, it took me far too long to work that out
The only time I’ve been uncomfortable with my work being shared on MM, has been when I’ve felt misrepresented in a headline/introduction or tweet. When it happened, I voiced my concern and Mia jumped on it and changed it. On that note: I think that’s something that new bloggers/writers need to be very aware of, make sure you’re clear on how the story is going to be presented.
On a personal level, I have made connections with so many women through the work I’ve posted here. I count Bern Morley, Kerri Sackville, Kylie Ladd and so many other past contributors now as friends, and it’s possible I may have never found them if it wasn’t for MM.
If you’re new to blogging/writing, MM can be a great testing ground. If you feel you’ve served your apprenticeship and it’s time to start pitching for paid work, then obviously you’re going to go where the money is.
In the meantime, I plan to keep popping up here whenever I can.
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Is seems a mutually beneficial opportunity – free content for you and a chance for the writer to raise their profile and advertise themselves. nothing to apologise for!
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A couple of other things I forgot to mention previously – writing here is maybe more gentle than writing for other places. The conversations generated are nicer on the whole. I was asked to write for free for a rather large news website and I said that I’m not opening myself up to harsh abuse from commenters without being paid.
I also second a commenter below – start a blog, it leads to so many opportunities, paid and unpaid.
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Are you serious? Mamamia is a great site, but is up there with harsh commenting.
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It CAN be up there with the harsh commenting, but it is actually nothing compared to the news sites!
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I’m kinda torn on this one. I think MM deserves bundles of praise for the exposure it gives to emerging writers and the platform it lends to people wanting to share their story. It’s truly a great thing. And we can’t deny the great community aspect. It’s how I found and joined the wonderful Kiki & Tea team after all
However, I’m a little disappointed that you didn’t mention wanting to pay contributors should your revenue allow it. Especially with the addition of MM Radio and MM shopping. It certainly seems that your empire is expanding…so I hope if you can offer something to contributors in the future then you will.
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To be honest, I don’t think it’s right that you don’t pay your contributors. Even if it was only a small amount, it’s only fair for a writer to be compensated for their work. I don’t buy the exposure as compensation line at all. Why is it up to someone else to pay them, why not you? What if every media outlet spouted, “But it’s great exposure”? Eventually somebody has to pay.
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I write for Mamamia because it does my soul good (and it’s perfect for my CV & career).
I love Mamamia community, and the dinner table-esque nature of the comments below any of my articles. It’s a beautiful place for a writer, especially when you want to share something personal. I felt safe talking about my experience of anorexia here, and I have more personal essays on the way.
One point Mia has left out, and her detractors have missed is this: Mamamia is a conversation. A lot of its contributors are not writers by trade; they feel compelled to share their story. This is a beautiful place to do just that. It’s not a conventional publication – and I go back to the very reason Mia set it up 5 years ago: When women (and some men) need to check their own experience against others, and share something true or something devastating, they can come here. It’s confessional, and I really do see why those stories are offered to MM free of charge.
The experience of writing for Mamamia is special. My relationship with Mamamia is special; I love all the members of the team and I respect what they do here. I respect it enough, that I want to be a part of it – dollarz or no dollarz.
I think everyone who writes for Mamamia – either as a one-off or regularly – understands that tacit agreement.
Mia, I’ll happily write for you always.
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I am surprised you even had to write this article Mia, I just always assumed that this is how it works, it makes complete sense to me. I am just a random “regular” girl without any expertise on anything, I’ve got opinions like everyone else, so why should I expect you to pay me to write about my opinions? What’s so special about them? I can’t believe anyone would actually expect that.
Mia, I am surprised you’ve written for free, you are accomplished in your industry, have had a great amount of success and a lot of people know who you are, so I would expect that you’d get paid for your writing, but a random girl with a blog who’s just telling us what she thinks? Umm no, that’s not how it works.
I understand writing is a notoriously tough industry to break into so I think it’s fantastic that you’re giving people a chance at exposure that they wouldn’t otherwise get, but I don’t think it’s fair of people to expect you to do any more than that.
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I do a lot of writing online and most profitable websites will pay contributors. I was actually quite surprised to find MM doesn’t. The amount paid is often nominal. There’s also the work of responding to comments, and dealing with the crazies that email you sometimes years after the fact (never write about Elvis!).
MM probably should be paying. The media industry is struggling and part of this is because writers can’t work for free. Quality content is what makes a website, and having a database of consistent writers to draw on can make or break a website.
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As a semi regular contributor to Mamamia, I relish the opportunity of being published here and thus exposed to such a wide audience.
Sometimes the writing I do for free here (and on other sites) is a bit like an internship – I get writing and editing practice, am able to receive guidance for my writing from a range of talented an experienced writers and editors, and I can also maintain a lot of creative/editorial control because many of my pieces were written for my blog first. However, writing for sites like MM is more flexible than a traditional internship as I work full time, live in Melbourne and I also receive some money for writing I do elsewhere.
I am so appreciative for the exposure and support I have had from MM. Thank you.
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I’m a professional writer. Started off as an editorial assistant many years ago, and worked my way up (and down, and up). I also dig this site.
Having said that, it’s disingenuous to basically say: “we don’t pay contribs because a) they get exposure b) other people don’t pay and c) we have staff writers.”
As a writer, you’re undervaluing yourself and your work if you’re willing to give it away for free. Naturally I understand there are people who will, but it’s not automatic that exposure equals future opportunities.
If you want to write, do so. But start a blog, link to like minded people, and retain your intellectual property. Don’t give it away. As a writer, you’re worth more than that.
Justifying lack of payment with exposure is a dodge, nothing less.
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Exactly. Want exposure? Set up a kickass blog and build your audience there. Writing for websites which are known not to pay – especially when there are so many that DO pay, the Punch, National Times and Mamamia excepted – just cements you in editors minds as someone who is neither a good enough writer nor negotiator to get paid elsewhere.
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I completely agree, Josh. I too am a professional writer who has worked her way up. It cheapens my craft to work for free. If you hire a tradesman or want to aquire something you see in a shop, you expect to pay for it. Of course I write because I love it by why should perceived glamour and exposure and all that replace financial compensation? It really bothers me that Mia thinks this practice is okay. I am sure MM generates a very healthy profit.
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In a nutshell, sometimes it’s not about the money ya’ know?
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I have been proud and yes, honoured, to be published by Mamamia. The opportunity to have my little voice heard is one I feel very fortunate to have been given. For me, the compensation comes in the form of traffic to my own blog, and the thrill (which it is) of being part of a site that is informative, fun, controversial and influential.
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Why not have a deal to share some of the ad revenue with all writers if their article gets above a certain amount of page views? Set the level a a reasonable amount to allow you to cover your overheads and make a profit, and lshare some of the cream.
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I am generally an internet scab – like to get whatever I can for free.
However I do appreciate effort and value to me from individuals, especially those that aren’t ‘big businesses’, and quite often donate or pay small monthly subscriptions for that sort of content.
I love reading stuff by Kate, Jo Abi and Bec Sparrow and when I come across an article by these or any other contributors that really makes an impact on me, I’d be happy to do a small Paypal donation. I would also be happy to subscribe for a small monthly fee – I pay $3 a month to subscribe to a particular podcast, even though it’s available for free.
If you made the button, I for one would be happy to click it and support the writers/articles I appreciate.
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That’s actually a really good idea. Why not have a Paypal button at the end of each post, or on the main site or whatevers, where you ask readers to kick in some money (even just a dollar) if they want to contribute to paying writers. And the understanding is that any money that comes in that way will ONLY go to pay writers (ie, not MM overheads or anything, as you’ve already go that covered with advertising etc). At the end of each week or month, you divvy up the donations by the number of writers who are not staff. It might only be $5 per writer. But it’s something, and it also gets the idea out there to constantly remind readers that they should at least consider paying writers, and also shows writers that not buckets of cash are coming in, so voluntary writing isn’t a big fat slap in the face if they do have to do it.
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Loving this idea!
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YES YES YES YES YES.
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I’d pay a monthly fee too….
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Thanks for this open and honest column Mia. I am a past contributor. The terms of my opportunities were completely clear and I volunteered to add my words to your site. I did so because I enjoy reading the large variety of voices made possible by your publishing model. I wanted to add my ‘two cents’ to the conversation. Instead of money, I got the chance to write for a bigger readership than usual and to increase traffic to my own blog. I’m OK with that. If you’re not OK with that – publish your work elsewhere I guess. Everyone likes the idea of a ‘big break’ that leads to a paid writing career, but for the majority, it’s the kind of work you have to do for love, not money!
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Love it. Yay for Mia!
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What about Wendy Harmer at the Hoopla?
She publishes 5 stories a day and pays her contributors $50.00 per story. It’s not a lot but it is something.
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Good point Wendy. Amelia Grevis-James (owner and editor of The Peach dot com dot au) generates less than $100 dollars in ad revenue per month, but still pays all of her staff writers, with the aim in her mission statement to pay for every single piece on the site.
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I’ll break radio silence for one last comment (probably) on MM…
I really appreciated MM for giving me the opportunity to publish some of my work back in the day…but I must admit, I got to a point where it felt more important for me to publish my work on my own website…
And that’s the thing…MM doesn’t own the Internet…you don’t have to publish your work on MM…for me, publishing on KK&T is more satisfying and fulfilling than publishing on MM, even though the KK&T audience is smaller…it’s a choice…if you want exposure, then MM is one way to get exposure…if you just like writing, then just write…it doesn’t matter where you publish your work…
My only reservation is where the profits go…I have no idea how profitable MM is…I suspect it does well, but maybe not as well as some people may think…BUT…if MM grew to a point where some kind profit-sharing with its writers was a viable option, I would hope that some form of payment could be given to contributors…that would only be fair.
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+1
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John James, where are you writing now? I would be keen to pop in and have a look.
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Mostly over at http://kikiandtea.com/
Plus I also post stuff on my Tumblr: http://explore.johnanthonyjames.com/
(Thus proving Mia’s point about giving new writers exposure…I just got me some…)
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Their website is Kiki and Tea – http://kikiandtea.com/.
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iAmandaroseI miss your voice here- The male voice is missing, actually the target audience seems to have changed away from mothers and the younger writers have a different tone. Not a bad one and I guess it broadens the audience but for me it feels the site has lost something in the last 6 months.
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I’ve moved away from writing first-person opinion pieces anyway – I’m concentrating more on writing “short-fiction-as-opinion” rather than writing about my own life…I find that a much more interesting style to write in…so my writing wouldn’t fit the MM style any more…
and yes, like you, I think MM has changed over the past year or so…I very rarely see any posts that I’m interested in reading any more, but as I’ve said before, I’m not the target demographic for MM, so that’s fine by me…
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I get so frustrated for you guys when people parrot the neat sound bite that your whole business model is based on ‘not paying writers’. I am glad you have taken the time to write this post Mia and share the realities of the market. I am not sure if people realise just how hard and stressful being responsible for paying the wages of 30 staff is?!
I am one of those people who has gone on to land new opportunities thanks to exposure I’ve received on Mamamia. The benefit to me from contributing to your site and learning by osmosis from Lana and Jamila – I can’t even begin to quantify it.
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Sure! As a freelance writer slowly cracking the business open, being able to get the writing on a national (even international) forum is worth the effort. It’s just how the game works. I know going in that unless I’ve got connections or a prior audience, I’ll be unpaid for most of my writing, until I’ve placed enough work strategically (or haphazardly) in enough places as to be widely viewed. Once I have enough of a profile that higher-ups give a solid toss who I am, I might start getting paid work. Anyone with a different experience is lucky or a time traveller.
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but every unpaid space you fill now means creating a world with a lot less paid options that will be available to you in the future.
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