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Screen shot 2012 08 29 at 4.32.44 PM When She asked for it is a defence to murder.

Vicki Cleary was stabbed dozens of times. Her killer served less than 4 years.

There’s a law that allows men to murder their wives and serve minimal time in prison. Like five years.

It’s called the provocation defence and it’s based on the idea of women “asking for it.” It’s an excuse used by men who kill women (or in many cases gay men) because they supposedly ‘provoked’ by something they did or said (it can be used by women too but this is far more rare). Like the case of Peter Keogh. He killed his ex-partner Vicki by stabbing her at least a dozen times.

But when he faced a jury in the wake of his death, all 12 jurors accepted his excuse that she provoked him by swearing. Mr Keogh served just three years and 11 months in jail.

A few moths ago, we ran a post on Mamamia on the provocation defence after Channel 9′s 60 minutes ran an in-depth segment on the defence (which is banned in Tasmania, Victoria and Western Australia, and is one of the subjects being explored in a current NSW parliamentary inquiry into the law.)

The response was to the post was so  that we decided to look into it further. We spoke Dr Danielle Tyson from Monash University’s Department of Criminology. She’s recently written a book called Sex, Culpability and the Defence of Provocation.

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Dr Danielle Tyson

MM: Can you explain what the provocation defence is?

DT: In those jurisdictions where it is still able to be raised, provocation is a partial defence that operates to reduce murder to manslaughter. It applies to situations where the accused ‘understandably’ loses self-control owing to the allegedly provocative words and/or behaviour of the deceased.

In order for a provocation plea to succeed, and the charge of murder reduced to manslaughter, the jury must be satisfied that an ‘ordinary’ person could have reacted the way that the defendant reacted by losing their self-control in response to the alleged provocation on the part of the deceased.

MM: Can women argue the provocation defence – or is it just men?

DT: It is mainly men who kill either women or men in the context of sexual jealousy who rely on provocation. In order to understand the way the partial defence of provocation is most often used, it makes sense to look at the homicide data. Domestic homicide is gendered in particular ways.

The consequent picture that emerges from research in Australia is that a vast proportion of all homicides involving men as offenders (where the victims are either women or men) take place in the context of sexual jealousy. So it is not surprising that it is predominantly used by men in this way.

While women can and do argue provocation, they do it in far less numbers than their male counterparts and traditionally have faced a number of difficulties successfully raising the defence. This is not surprising if we look at the homicide data. What this data tells us is that, unlike their male counterparts, when women kill they almost never kill their intimate partners for the same reasons.

Manpreet Kaur When She asked for it is a defence to murder.

Manpreet Kaur, had her throat slit by her husband. He served six years in prison.

MM: Seems like a very dated defence, how does it have a place in modern Australia?

DT: There are a number of reasons why many are of the view that the partial defence of provocation is outdated and no longer has a place in modern, civilised society. It has been long been said to operate as a profoundly sexed excuse for men who have killed their ‘nagging’, ‘taunting’, ‘unfaithful’ or departing wives to avoid a conviction for murder and be convicted of the lesser crime of manslaughter.

While cases involving women defendants who kill in response to a past history of domestic violence from a husband or male partner are statistically rarer, such women continue to struggle to have their experiences recognised as deserving of ‘compassion’ in quite the same way.

The provocation defence has also come in for considerable criticism in relation where it has been relied on in response to a non-violent sexual advance.

It is true that in its modern form, it developed to extend the right of a husband to defend his masculine honour against acts of challenge by a female partner. For this reason, many are of the view that it provides men with a classic masculinist apology for men’s violence towards women; that is, it operates to normalise male violence as a natural characteristic of masculinity, and to blame the woman victim where her performance is understood to have contravened or transgressed the norms of appropriate femininity.

Gradually, changes have been made to the requirements for provocation by the courts in response to the criticisms about the gendered nature of the defence. For instance, there has been a shift away from the strict requirement of the need for a specific triggering incident toward greater acceptance that it did not reflect the experiences of many battered women.

Courts have also been more willing to accept that the loss of self-control in relation to provocation could develop over time and include cumulative acts of provocation. Another shift has been away from anger as being the only legitimate kind of emotion assumed to underlie the defence towards greater acceptance of the idea that the underlying emotion experiences by battered women in particular was fear and/or panic.

 

MM: We’ve also heard of the idea of homosexual advance being used as part of the provocation defence. Can you expand on how that is used as a defence?

DT: It is not a specific defence in and of itself. Rather, it operates to either absolve the defendant from liability or to mitigate the defendant’s liability. So it refers to cases where a male defendant pleads provocation on the basis of an alleged unwanted sexual advance from the victim who was known or assumed to be homosexual. In order for a provocation plea to succeed, and the charge or murder reduced to manslaughter, the jury must be satisfied that an ‘ordinary’ person could have reacted the way that the defendant reacted by losing their self-control in response to the alleged non-violent sexual advance.

Those critical of this informal provocation defence have been concerned about how the defence narratives that are produced are predicated upon a negative depiction of the homosexual victim. The criticism is with the way such cases legitimise, produce and reproduce violence against homosexual men as a group in society.

MM: Looking at the jurors, how do you think it’s possible that they see murder as justified?  

DT: While murder is the most serious of violence crimes, as a society I think there are circumstances in which we might agree that a killing might be wholly or partially excusable. As a society we have always recognised that and it is important that we continue to recognise that. Particularly if these circumstances relate to a specific group within society. However, jurors have not necessarily seen murder as justified when committed by a battered woman, for example, although nowadays they are more likely too.

I think a lot depends on the way the story gets told by the accused and his/her lawyer in a murder trial. We all draw on myths and stereotypes to make sense of other people’s acts and behaviour. This is what essentially happens in court. The art of persuasion and storytelling is after all the art of being a good lawyer. Jurors (and I might add judges) are more likely to be more sympathetic to a defendant who kills in a fit of jealous rage because this idea fits with the classic romance narrative.

If we want to put an end to the injustice of provocation’s victim-blaming narratives, we need to see more prosecuting counsel and judges resisting these damaging court narratives. Now that provocation is gone, I argue that it is time to tell a different story. This is to be achieved by bringing the woman victim’s voice back into the courtroom. Otherwise, the idea of a woman ‘asking for it’ will still arise in murder trial.

MM: Is there are a concern that the provocation defence leads to violent offenders being back in society too soon?

DT:Yes, but this concern applies to any situation where a violent offender has had his culpability for murder reduced – violent offenders may be released back into society too soon when convicted of manslaughter on the ground of an unlawful and dangerous act or manslaughter by criminal negligence. But because our focus has been on cases where a violent offender has had his culpability reduced to manslaughter on the ground of provocation, we have tended to overlook these other cases.

I think the important point is that we need to have a range of different defences available that recognise different forms of killing and that are appropriately labelled to reflect different forms of criminal behaviour and levels of culpability.

The sentence should also be appropriate.

One reasons for retaining provocation that it provides an abused woman who kills out of fear and self-preservation with a safety-net if they are unable to rely on the complete defence of self-defence. If you take away provocation and don’t have alternative defences or offences such as diminished responsibility or the partial defence of excessive self-defence, then these women may lose a defence and risk being unfairly convicted of murder.

Over to you. Should a person’s conviction be reduced from murder to manslaughter if they were ‘provoked’ into killing someone?

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39 Comments so far

  1. Becky

    Hmmm, I tend to focus more on the intention behind the murder. So a woman who kills her husband or partner in fear or losing her life or for the intention to save her life I think is quite different to a man who kills his wife or partner over spiked jealousy or anger and maybe with the intention to get ultimate revenge or to hurt. When looking at provocation defence, I assume this would be taken into account? Those who kill to save their life or someone else’s, maybe in a situation where someone is trying to murder them, need provocation defence. Those who use jealously and anger to drive them into killing someone…seriously? That was being used for provocation defence. Maybe there’s more to it then that? Not convinced by jealousy and anger being an excuse for murder. Does that mean everyone who happens to get extremely jealous can just use this to murder whoever they feel like and only face the minimal of consequence? Dammit.

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  2. Z

    WHAT A RIDICULOUS LAW. Murder is murder is murder. There should be no crime without equal consequence. If a woman wearing a short skirt in summer got raped, can you say she “asked for it”? NO. Nobody asks to get murdered. What rubbish.

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  3. Mad Man

    Can someone provoke someone else to the point where murder occurs? Absolutely. Should you get charged with murder? Yes. Should you do jail time? Absolutely. Should the provocation be taken into account during sentencing? Absolutely. Is a same sex sexual advance a “legitimate” provocation? No Way. Killing someone is never OK, even in some cases of self defense. There should always be a penalty.

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  4. Alice

    Really intellegent and interesting article. Thanks MM. Youve evolved so much over the past 18 months, and all for the better.

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  5. Col

    The Camplin case back in the 70s was a good example of why we should keep it. A 15 year old boy was raped by his uncle. After it was over, and the boy wasn’t in danger anymore (so it couldn’t be self defence), the uncle was laughing at him over what he’d just done. The boy got a frying pan and killed the uncle. Did he kill him? Yep. Would an ordinary person do the same? Yep. Without the defence, he’d be found guilty of murder (which, in NSW these days, would get you somewhere between 9 years jail and life, the standard being 20 years).

    We have to be careful who we want to label as a “murderer”, keeping in mind that we could be in a similar circumstance and should not be expected to act in a superhuman manner (“Oh, you just raped me, now you’re laughing at me and humiliating me further? Ok, no problem, but I’ll make sure I contact the police about this though”). Not me. Frying pan. Meet head.

    It could be fixed simply by having a line saying that it can’t be used as a “homosexual advance” defence, nor is a defence lawyer able to use evidence related to infidelity as provocation for either gender. That way, a woman who really deserves to use the defence after being beaten for years is still able to do it, but it can’t be used by either gender (mostly men) for these kinds of controversial cases.

    The defence lawyers should be ashamed for wrecking a sensible defence for their own gain. The jurors are to blame to, for finding that an ordinary person would lose control and kill his wife if he found her cheating (or the lover in the Won case recently). It’s likely they take “ordinary person” to mean someone like themselves, or worse (not that an ordinary person might, shockingly, have more self control than themselves).

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    • Agree!

      I totally agree with this! I think people forget that a defence counsel still has to “show” (I believe on the balance of probabilities) provocation and the jury (every day people) need to accept it as a reasonable defence/ excuse (cannot recall which one it is now).
      As for the homosexual advances, I believe there was a case (cannot recall its name) which said that homosexual advances were not “provocation” even though the accused in it had been sexually abused as a child – it was not sufficient.
      As for the husband killing their wife scenario – I think it is becoming less and less accepted within the legal system. Again a jury has to agree (as most criminal cases have juries rather then judges) – and it is a very difficult defence to establish.

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  6. foundationchik

    Provocation may have a place as a defence. Read this article to see another viewpoint.
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/kill-case-relied-on-provocation-20121018-27txl.html

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    • Eternal Caterpillar

      Great contribution to the discussion – definitely worth reading – thanks!

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    • Amandarose

      I still don’t find those an acceptable excuse for killing someone. Clearly the lady is not someone who is safe in the public if she reaches like this. I don’t think she deserves life or anything but it is still murder.

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  7. Anonymous

    Not provocation, but another example of a kink in the system. After 10 months of intimidation and abuse by his wife’s ex-husband, my brother was on the receiving end of another rant of abuse and threats of bashing, when he cracked, gave up, and said to the ex-husband, “fine, come over and do it then”. And so the ex husband did – went over and beat my brother senseless. My brother did not fight back. No charges could be laid because technically the ex was invited to come and bash him. Back to square one…

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    • Alice

      That’s terrible!! He can actually still bring charges in that situation – it just makes it less likely that he’ll win. If it was in Victoria, he should make a Victims of Crime Assistance Tribunal claim (look at http://www.vocat.vic.gov.au/). That might get him some compensation for medical bills, counselling fees, anything else he needs and a small lump sum payment. Worth a shot – trauma can be expensive! Best of luck xx

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    • stolichnaya

      That is terrible!

      I don’t know what kind of advice your brother has had but individuals cannot consent to actual bodily harm outside very specific categories (i.e. tattooing, surgery, boxing matches), so “inviting” the ex-husband over to bash him ought not prevent him from having charges laid on his behalf.

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  8. Kirby

    It doesn’t work because how could anyone possibly determine what ‘asking for it’ would even be? Even if the defence was fair enough, is murdering someone really equal to them swearing at you? I don’t see how anyone could possibly determine when someone provoked someone else to kill them

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  9. stolichnaya

    Provocation is a very interesting defence because it applies only to murder, whereas self-defence, insanity and automatism (not really a defence per se, but still) apply across the board, and intoxication applies to loads as well. It puts us in a position where, as the Victorian Law Reform Commission stated a while back, violently attacking someone for provoking you is defensible, but only if the victim actually dies as a result. We used to have provocation on the books because murder attracted the death penalty. Now it’s been abolished, there’s a problem. If killing someone when provoked is defensible, then inflicting GBH when provoked should be too. So we either apply provocation across the board, or admit the defence has outlived its relevance. It’s also incredibly problematic that killing someone because of a violent loss of control is defensible, whereas compassionate euthanasia could result in a murder conviction.

    I think the article has done a good job of sketching out the gender issues involved in the defence as well. Provocation when used a homosexual advance defence (“he came on to me and I snapped”) is also salient and I’m glad it was mentioned, though briefly. Personally, I would like to see provocation abolished in NSW, as it has been in other Australian states, and excessive self-defence amended a bit to better take into account defendants who kill their abusers.

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  10. Anon

    An action that is fuelled by emotion is no accident.

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  11. Anon

    “There’s a law that allows men to murder their wives and spend minimal time in prison.” I’m sorry but your opening line is simply not true. Provocation is not a law. it is a defence that MAY be used. And just like other defences to murder such as automatisim, self defence and mental illness just because they may be used doesn’t mean they are always accepted.
    There is a big difference between being a law and being a defence.

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    • Alice

      Err a defence exists when it’s within legislation or common law – that makes it part of the law. The existence of that law does provide a way for murderers to spend minimal time in prison, so I’d say that opening line is correct.

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  12. Anonymous

    No one ‘asks’ to be murdered. Just like no one ‘asks’ to be raped. We have spent weeks on this forum going over how a woman behaves, how she dresses, how much flesh she shows, how drunk she is or how late she chooses to walk home alone, do not mean she is ‘asking’ to be attacked. So the headline to this story is quite misleading and sends the wrong message, in my opinion.

    Having said that, I *can* see instances where a person can be provoked to certain behaviour. God knows I’ve been provoked and done things which, in hindsight, I can’t believe I did (not criminal!). But to me (not knowing a great deal about criminal law), it seems the distinction between murder and manslaughter is clear enough in terms of premeditation. The story about the man caught in the act molesting someone’s daughter, and the father then instantly attacking and killing him, could be manslaughter at first glance. But, if the man had, say, grappled with the molester, locked him into a cupboard, gone to the garage and come back with an axe, and then killed him – it becomes a different situation. Presumably he would have had time to form the intent to go out to the garage, select a weapon, return and commit the crime. To have a separate category under ‘provocation’ muddies the waters somewhat.

    Then again, as I think about it further, I don’t know where that leaves the long-term abused partner who, in a desperate act, kills his/her abuser while they are asleep, or something like that. It would still be murder, being premeditated, but maybe it needs to have a different class, as seems to be the case in the US, like second degree murder or something. Can anyone else see how this might work?

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    • Jimmy's Girl

      The above was me – must have left the name off.

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    • stolichnaya

      One option advanced for the situation you’re talking about – in which a partner kills their abuser – is excessive self defence, which was added back into the NSW statute about 10 years ago. As it stands (and from memory), the defence covers scenarios where the defendant’s conduct was objectively unreasonable but they believed it was necessary for self-defence or to prevent unlawful deprivation of liberty. At the moment, this doesn’t really fit the scenario you pose because the elements seem to require an aspect of immediacy. However, Victoria introduced a defence in 2005 that is more geared towards the scenario and specifies that the harm the defendant is defending against need not be immediate. An option for NSW would be amending the excessive self defence provision in the Crimes Act and then abolishing provocation, as Victoria, Tasmania and Western Australia have already done.

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  13. distracted

    No, provocation should never be a defence to murder.

    Murder is absolutely final. Provocation could be defence to assault, or to wilful property damage or some other crime. But murder is completely different.

    No matter how much somebody likes to think they were provoked into something, it is ALWAYS their responsibility. We are not puppets being controlled by others – if a man murders his wife, it’s because he’s a**hole, NOT because of anything she said or did.

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  14. Izzy

    Yes I think the law should stay.

    If someone get’s so mad at something and the situation goes beyond their self-control then their actions are somewhat out of their hands.

    People who are provoked generally feel extreme guilt and remorse after they have done things like this too because they simply lost control.

    I guess the problem needs to be stopped before it ever goes that far. Counseling is the appropriate step I think.

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    • Olivia

      Try telling that to the people they murder..

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    • Jess88

      If someone is able to be provoked into being “so mad at something and the situation goes beyond their self-control then their actions are somewhat out of their hands.” By something as minor as swearing then that person clearly has issues and I would think would be considered a danger to society.

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    • kateb

      isnt that the same as a child having a tantrum, once you grow up you dont “lose” your temper that easily. leave, walk it off etc

      i know this as i have a extremely quick temper and have had to walk it off many times.

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    • Jimmy's Girl

      But if your level of self control was way lower than mine, does that mean you could claim provocation defence for murder for something like seeing your partner kissing another person, whereas I, with a much higher level of self control (in this example), could only claim provocation defence if I caught them in flagrante delicto in my own bed? Hmm… impossible to make the call in my view. Feeling guilt and remorse afterwards is not really a reason to reduce the severity of the offence, either.

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      • :)

        Both of you could claim the defence; it would then be up to the 12 people on the jury to decide if a reasonable/ordinaryperson would act in the same manner.

        This is what is known as an “objective test” – based on the reasonable/ordinay person
        What you describe is a “subjective test” – Based on how the defendant views his/her own actions

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      • clarebelle

        to answer your question, no, not really. the test for whether provocation will apply has two stages:
        1. whether a reasonable person in the circumstances COULD have lost self control, and then
        2. whether the accused ACTUALLY lost control.

        The first step is there to create a standard measure of self-control if you like, to make sure the defence is only used in circumstances society agrees to be appropriately provoking.

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  15. Anonymous

    For me, the basic premise of the provocation defence is still relevant – that there are some circumstances where an accused has been provoked into killing the victim. I think it is important to recognise that there can be a discrepancy in criminal responsibility between defendants, and those who are determined to be less morally culpable for their actions than others should have a greater range of sentencing options available. This depends on the ability of the accused to satisfy a number of tests that are both objective and subjective and extremely complex.

    What concerns me, is that juries are finding that the conduct of women being murdered by their partners for ‘nagging’ or cheating etc satisfies this threshold. Ditto with homosexual advances. Twelve ordinary people from the wider community come to the decision that these scenarios satisfy the defence. Some people argue that it is the complex nature of the defence that leads to this result, or simply the law, however it appears to me that it is usually open to the jury to find one way or the other.

    I wonder if the real issue in these cases is the attitudes prevalent in our society rather than the defence of provocation itself. Maybe if the wider community were quicker to condemn male behaviour that is controlling, aggressive and violent then juries would not find that the defence of provocation is open to men who kill their wives over relatively trivial circumstances. Sometimes a legal response is not the appropriate one.

    If anyone has any further information about the role of juries in these kind of provocation cases I would be very interested to hear!

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    • Katie

      I think that juries are often selected as the “lowest common denominator” and therefore may be more susceptible to the stories conducted by the defence that Danielle Tyson is referring to i.e. “she asked for it” etc etc. Further, the judge has the discretion to not leave the provocation defence to the jury, but often when they do this, they are subsequently appealed. Which means that they usually leave it to the jury. The jury may then interpret this as confirmation that provocation is applicable. I do find it concerning though that those 12 people that are supposed to represent a broad section of society, i.e. you and me, were able to find that provocation occurred in the recent case of Singh. That says to me that its not the law that is the problem, but attitudes, as a number of people obviously still think that it is acceptable to “punish” a woman for behaving a certain way.

      In terms of recognising that the commission of some offences have a lower moral culpability that others – I agree. However, a judge is forced to consider an offenders level of culpability in sentencing, and it is open to them to hand down a lower sentence if they think provocation occurred. For example, in R v Green (the homosexual provocation case), the judge gave 10 years for murder, and on appeal, 8 years for manslaughter. So it seems the culpability is often recognised anyway.

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  16. Neeks

    I seem to remember reading (or was it watching?) about a case where a father walked into his daughters room to find another man standing over his young daughters bed with his pants pulled down.He had caught the man in the act of sexually assaulting his daughter. The father then attacked the man and killed him. I can see a place for a provocation defence in cases such as this. I think it is a normal and understandable response for an otherwise non-violent and sane individual.

    I can also understand provocation used as a defence by an abused spouse. If you spend any time reading about domestic abuse and violence the perpetrators are often very good at isolating their victims, keeping them cut-off from family members or financially dependent and making it very hard to leave. I can see how somebody can feel trapped and get to a very dark place after years of abuse which sometimes leads to murder.

    Personally, I don’t understand the other provocation defenses involving “crimes of passion” or love triangles. Many people feel jealous in relationships every day and never kill anyone. The same goes for provocation defenses involving non-violent sexual advances. I have been hit on many times in my life. I didn’t murder them, I said no thank you.

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    • Chris

      Perhaps the problem is not so much whether provocation exists or not but how judges are restricted in the sentences they can give out – especially minimum sentences. So there is no way for them to sensibly sentence someone whom the general public would believe is guilty of murder (say a long term abused spouse who committed a well planned killing of their spouse) but don’t want them to serve a long prison term because of the circumstances

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  17. Wendi J

    When its terrible provocation yes……my husbands ex wife provoked him all through and beyond their married life…She slept around, she slapped, kicked and punched him and their kids, she harrassed him, stalked him, abused him, took him to Court for stupid things, also carried it on into abusing her daughters family….when she hit her son-in-law; He had had enough and retaliated by punching the wall beside her head, she got an AVO out on him, took him to court and won…even though her pattern of historical violence showed the years of provocation…some women do ask for it….and use this law as an excuse…..This is just one case I know of…Noone should abuse or provoke anyone, but thats not human nature unfortunately…

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    • Anonymous

      Thats a terrible story Wendi, but deaf ears mostly because of the genders involved.

      Wives murder husband = battered wife syndrome defense where the woman becomes the victim.

      Husbands murder wives = never grounds for a povocation defense so the woman is again the victim and the male the evil doer.

      Surely it can only be assessed on a case by case basis without preconcieved gender bias.

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    • Nicki

      I hope you’ve listened to the ex wife’s side of the story too. My ex partner said terrible things about HIS ex, which I found out later to be untrue….

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    • Jimmy's Girl

      Really? And so based on that, he could conceivably kill her and get off relatively lightly with a manslaughter plea? Speaking hypothetically in this instance – and you have my sympathies if what you have outlined is true – but I can’t see in any way how a murder based on what you have described could be lessened by any plea of provocation. At some point, the defendant would have decided that ‘enough was enough’ – being the point at which he decided to kill her. That = premeditation = first degree murder in my book.

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      • Wendi

        I am not saying it is ok to murder anyone, and yes the story is very true, and actually a lot worse than I have said; however, my husband is a very patient and tolerant person, he chose to walk away before he did anything which would take him away from his kids… she has laughed in his face and continued to provoke him re: his lack of backbone in standing up to her….I have known a few real life instances of this happening. There is no excuse for murder of anyone, by anyone else, however, my point was there are always two sides, the women can be at fault, can provoke, anyone can…it cant always be assumed that the men are at fault….

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  18. Amandarose

    I really think each case is different and discretion is the key. People capable of jealous rage should be held accountable depending on the circumstance- if it was accidental death – ie a shove that caused a head injury as the victim fell down stairs is not the same as deliberate murder. A family friend was jailed for many years for shooting her abusive husband. I thought it was unfair ad she put up with decades of violence.
    Each case different – common sense required

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  19. Anon

    Should provocation stay?

    Absolutely it should. The reason we have judges and juries is so that a suitable punishment can be found for a crime without the emotive rubbish that clouds sensationalist stories as portrayed in the media.

    The other reason I think that the provocation defence should stay is that sometimes provocation is the cause of the act of murder.

    Just because a group of people don’t like it, or that it’s sometimes applied incorrectly, is not a good enough reason to get rid of it.

    I also have a personal reason where provocation absolutely DID occur, and luckily, only resulted in a fractured skull and a black eye. It could easily have been worse.

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