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In 2009, pop star Rihanna was seriously assaulted by her then-boyfriend, Chris Brown.

The world was quite rightly horrified by the reports; worried for the physical and psychological welfare of the entertainer.

Amongst those who expressed their fears for Rihanna’s wellbeing was the world’s best known television presenter, Oprah. During an episode of her talk show, Oprah looked directly into the camera and sent a message to Rihanna. “Give it some time, get yourself some counselling… Love doesn’t hurt. If a man hits you once, he will hit you AGAIN.”

Three years on, Oprah and Rihanna have appeared together for a lengthy interview on Oprah’s new show - Oprah’s Next Chapter.

Take a look. It makes for compelling – and thought-provoking – viewing.

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It’s hard to watch, in fact it makes you feel almost a little squeamish to see this independent, smart and successful young woman talk about her feelings for a man who beat her so viciously she had to be hospitalised.

But the truth is that it isn’t unusual for a woman who has been assaulted by her partner to come to forgive him. It makes you wonder though, what about Rihanna’s friends and family? While she may still love Chris and feel sympathy for him and protective of him – how must they feel about him?

We asked television personality and Ambassador for White Ribbon Australia Andrew O’Keefe to share his thoughts with us. Here is what he had to say:

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Andrew O’Keefe

Many women don’t want their abusive partner to be punished, but simply want the abuse to stop. The problem is that, in the absence of serious consequences, the abuse often doesn’t stop at all.  Violence is a learned behaviour and anything that reinforces the acceptability of violence will only encourage it.

I have never seen an adequate apology from Brown, nor heard of any serious attempts to reconstitute his thought or behaviour in light of what occurred in his relationship with Rhianna.

In fact, his latest album, which is full of misogynistic bragadoccio, shows just how little he has learnt since then, as well as a complete absence of empathy with women or understanding of his own role in perpetuating violence against them.

Until Brown really owns up to what he has done, and genuinely seeks to change, I believe Rhianna is selling short her own dignity by continuing to publicly support him.

Of course, love runs deep, and forgiveness is one the greatest virtues, but while we may forgive the person, we should not forgive the crime until amends have been made. As the old adage goes, “love the sinner, hate the sin”.

Now, while it’s a big responsibility to carry, people like Rhianna do have a responsibility to stand up against violence for their own sake and for the sake of all who have been its victims.  And those who love her and care about her have a responsibility to ensure that she can see Chris Brown’s actions for what they are.  That doesn’t mean she shouldn’t love him.

It simply means she must demand that he truly loves her in return.

There is no place for violence in love. Never, ever.

What do you think? Could you forgive the partner of someone you loved, if you knew that abuse had been a part of their relationship in the past? Would your opinion change if the person you loved had forgiven or even reconciled with their formerly abusive partner?

If this post brings up any issues for you, contact 1800 RESPECT (1800 737 732) or go to their website. They are the national sexual assault and domestic family violence counselling service.

White Ribbon is Australia’s campaign to stop violence against women. You can donate to them here or, better still, get all the men in your life to take their oath to never commit, excuse or remain silent about violence against women.

Managing Editor’s Note: We have unfortunately had to close comments on this post because of the nature of the comments, which included unnecessary and unfair attacks on Rihanna. Jamila

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86 Comments so far

  1. FHB

    When I was 21 two men attacked me outside a bar. I hit them so hard and so often that they both ended up unconscious on the ground. I hit one of them so hard that I dislocated my finger.

    My natural fight or flight instinctive response took over and I fought. During the fight I had an aggressive surge of anger induced adrenalin that very much took over my actions. After the fight I was actually worried that I had killed one of them, not something I’d ever had to worry about before.

    Knowing that one punch can kill, I could have been killed had my own survival encoded instinct not taken over.

    I can not guarantee that anyone who attacks me ever, would be safe from me stopping myself, defending myself. Regardless of gender if someone hits me I might hit back and it might very well kill you. Don’t tell me not to hit back.

    DON”T HIT ME

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  2. Diane Davis

    I think I see a bit of racism here! Fortune is a wonderful CD filled with a range of thoughts and emotions that represent a young, 23-year-old male mindset. Well, let me say some for nothing represents everyone. “Misogynistic bragadoccio” <–really 0_O? "Struck On Stupid" discusses being deeply in love with a person that they could do or say anything and oyu would love it regardless. "4-YEARS-OLD" discusses the change in perception from childhood where you couldn't wait to grow-up vs the reality you discover once you reach adulthood and relaize you had it better as a child. Seem like Mr. Andrew O’Keefe is simply small minded and bigoted.

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    • pennypacker

      Andrew O’Keefe said nothing remotely racist.

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    • Mia

      Racism? Absurd. Beating up a woman is appalling no matter what your skin colour.

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  3. Xander

    I like Rihanna but she did admit to stricking Chris Brown first and often before he hit her back. Please see the NCFM’s report on that 2009 incident. I am so tied of the one-sided constant tale being presented that casts Chris Brown as being a moster who attacks women. What women? As a teen had 1 altercation with 1 person 3 or 4 year ago. I mean really ppl, what about all of the grown men who have been beating women and slept with children that continue to over looked or heavily support in Hollywood?

    How mayn Oscar’s does ROMAN POLLANSKI have since his child sexual assult arrest, conviction and illegal flight back to Europe? He was nominated for 11 and won 6 in the 33 year he has been on the run. Didn’t WOODY ALLEN adopted his daughter at age 11, start taking nude/sexual photographs of her at age 15 then married his daughter at age 18? SEAN PENN beat wives Madonna and Robin Wright yet won an Oscar in 09 and is the current Ambassador to Hati. MICKEY ROURKE beat wife Carrie Otis yet won tha Golden Globe in 09. The DOUBLE STANDARD that CHRIS BROWN is being held to for his TEENAGE ACTIONS is simply sickening. Where are the ppl to speak out against such injustice? Enough is enough!

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  4. Jane

    Funny that WHITE PEOPLE feel so strongly about a TEENAGE BLACK KID having ONE fight with his girlfriend almost 4 YERS AGO. Since when is continously lambasting TEENAGERS about their past acceptable ADULT behavior?

    Where were you when SERIAL WIFE BEATERS: Michael Lohan, Davy Jones, Jeff Golblum, Charlie Sheen, Ozzy Osbourne, Sean Penn, Sean Connery, Eminem, Tommy Lee, Vince Neil, Nicholas Cage, Richie Samboria, Robbie Williams, Jackson Browne, Marv Albert, Steven Seagal, James Talyor, Rodney Atkins, Alan Jackson, David Hasselhoff, Paul McCartney, Josh Brolin, Norman Mailer, Tom Sizemore, Alec & Dan Baldwin, John Lennon, Frank Sinatra were beating wives & girlfriends fro many years? Yet you say Chris Brown is evil for the rest of his life?

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    • Faybian

      I’m white and don’t condone ANYONE (I’ll give the capitols for emphasis a go too) beating up their partner no matter what colour or persuasion etc.
      You’re right, I haven’t heard most of these people say anything remotely apologetic. I have read Ozzy Osbournes autobiography and he is very remorseful of his actions.
      While I don’t agree with hanging someone out to dry for their actions for the rest of their lives, don’t minimize what he did. It wasn’t simply a fight with his girlfriend, he assaulted her, even if he she started it, he ended it very effectively and deserved to be charged. Yes he was a teenager, but there’s a disturbing amount of domestic violence that occurs in teenage relationships.

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    • guest

      I’m not white but it’s important to me because Chris Brown and Rihanna are singers who people my age look up to.

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    • becsparrow

      Hi Jane

      We have done repeated stories here on Mamamia about both Matthew Newton and Charlie Sheen … we have railed against the fact that despite having histories of violence against women, they for a long time continued to be courted by tv networks.

      This is not about race. It’s about violence against women.

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  5. Rachel

    chris brown was absolutely villified for this one assault. Yet there are thousands of men everyday who assault their partners in far worse ways for years and years and never have any reprocussions. Also, Rihanna is a millionaire, she has access to support counselling and has enough money to be able to move out of the family home. What about women who are continually abused, have children to support, and have no job or means to escape the abusive home?
    What Chris Brown did was unquestionably awful but there are far worse cases of domestic abuse out there than this one. Stop focussing on celebrities and think about average woman in the community in this position. Help them, they need it.

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    • Jane

      I agree but what troubles me is that since Rihanna admitted to striking Chris Brown first, I just don’t see how this is Domestic Violenece against women? No one has the right to strike another period. This was sholved into the category of DV by the media and feminist groups so they could label, use and abuse both Chris Brown and Rihanna Fenty – which they have done for almost 4 years now! This was 1 fight btw kids in a TEEN relationship. DV is a repeated action not one fight where they struck each other. If that’s the case then every male and female teen in every high school that fight should also be labeled shouldn’t they?

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      • Faybian

        Yes, it should be. This is the time when you establish the pattern of how you will conduct yourself in intimate relationships. To accept that violence is ok simply because you’re a teenager and still have an immature brain is not good enough.

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  6. Bradley

    I will never commit, excuse or remain silent about violence towards women.

    This, I pledge.

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  7. Anonymous

    Andrew O’Keefe is foul. His opinion means nothing to me. What outrages me is people’s smug comments about how Rhianna should never forgive him or take him back for what he did and pretend that they understand what happened between them. Andrew O’Keefe – you are male so you could never ever understand exactly what Rhianna or anyone that experiences violence against them goes through. So don’t preach your bullshit.

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    • Anonymous

      He’s foul because he got drunk at Revolver? Him and everyone else in Melbourne!! Maybe never come here, because clearly we’re all disgusting.

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    • Veronica

      Oh, anon #1…men can be victims of violence too. Enough of the man-hate.

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      • Xander

        Thank you. Rihanna hit Chris and Chris hit Rihanna. They were VERY YOUNG and had a heat of the moment situation. I am tired of ppl taking these two young ppl and constantly manipulating and using them as an example of something they don’t represent. DV is a REPEATED ACTION. Rihanna and Chris had a fight! Ppl need to leave them alone! They are 23 & 24 years of age, let them learn and grow like everyone else!!

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        • Faybian

          DV is NOT necessarily a repeat action. You can commit a single act of DV, just as you can commit a single act of child abuse, arson, robbery etc.

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        • becsparrow

          Hi Xander
          It’s really important that you understand that domestic violence does not have to be a repeated action. Being punched or kicked or whatever ONCE is enough.

          Also, while Rihanna may have hit Chris Brown first there are two important issues to consider I think:

          1. It is not uncommon for victims of repeated abuse to hit out first …

          2. While she may have struck him, his response of repeatedly beating her was unbelievably savage. I don’t think any one should imply this was a “titt for tatt’ situation. This situation wasn’t just “a fight”. She was beaten. Badly.

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        • Mia

          Hi Xander. I often have fights with my husband and I had many fights with ex boyfriends. I never ended up in hospital. They were never charged with assault. This was not a fight. This was assault and must be called that.

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  8. Lisa

    The thing that truly worries me is, like many others on here that has voiced their concern, so many young girls look up to Rihanna as a role model and want to be just like her. To me (who is the same age as Rihanna) she would be one of the last people that I would want my future daughter/s to look up to. The swearing, partying, smoking weed, drinking, stumbling out of clubs and off yachts, the vulgar tattoos (one of a gun and another “thug life”) and now impressionable teenagers seeing that she now hangs out and is still in love with the man who beat her so severely (not to mention the racist jab at his current girlfriend on Twitter) it makes me wonder if she will feel any backlash toward her career as a consequences of her bad behavior and poor choices in the public eye?

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  9. Rosanna

    There is nothing sexier than to hear a man (especially a white man) talk so succintly about women’s issues.

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    • Ceddy

      What does ‘especially a white man’ mean????

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      • lisamaree

        I think she means that to be a white male in our society puts you in the best position overall, so to hear someone who theoretically is set up to succeed in life speak up for women’s issues is great.

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        • Anonymous

          I would rather be an asian, educated professional woman in Australia than a working class, divorsed white male thanks. Enough with the generalisations.

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          • Guest

            I don’t think she is generalising, white male privilege is a document phenomenon.

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            • FHB

              Guest – Horsesh*t

              You show me documented proof that a white male is anywhere more privileged than a white female. What an absurd, factless statement backed up by nothing but poor rhetoric and anti male sentiment.

              Prove it

              If you want to tell me I am more privileged than my wife, then back it up.

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    • Veronica

      Why not have a white male discuss womens issues? Another perspective. You don’t have to agree, but you shouldn’t ‘tsk tsk’ the article simply because it is written by a white male.

      Come on, people. This sort of discrimination needs to end. My nine month old son is a white male – I am raising him to be loving and respectful, not to make statements such as the one that stereotypes or makes generalizations about any group. I am offended that you are villainizing what my son will someday be, simply because he was born.

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    • Lone Womanist

      What a disgusting thing to say. This man is not presenting an accurate picture. Who is he to speak on women’s issues? Everything he has spewed is viewed from the typical dominate white male perspective. Nothing he has presented is new and everything I just read is inaccurate. I have Chris Brown’s Fortune CD. It’s a fun & whimsical CD. I think O’Keefe and others like him are angry that Chris Brown continue to thrive and grow without “their” permission. Oh well, he will get over it.

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  10. Gab

    Andrew, you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned Chris Brown’s lack of empathy. Guys that beat their partners are not just nice guys who went a little crazy. They are damaged, dangerous people who lack the ability to understand the feelings of the person they are hurting. So even is a woman chooses to forgive a violent partner, she should NEVER forget. And those of us who have been lucky to avoid domestic violence should stand up and boycott nasty individuals like Chris Brown.

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  11. Jane Caro

    Andrew O’Keefe, you are not just a lovely man, you are someone with access to the media and a microphone who stands up for things that matter. I never cease to be impressed by that.

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  12. AnotherMelB

    Goodness I think I have a little crush on Andrew O’Keefe. How articulate.

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    • SuziQ

      Lol, I was about to write EXACTLY the same thing!

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    • gemmadee

      Oh yes! Articulate and passionate about getting the DV message out there – what a guy!!

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    • ozlicious

      I’ve had a crush on him for the longest time!! This is probably one of the lamest things I’ve ever written, but he’s always really funny on Weekend Sunrise. He’s actually really intelligent, witty and incisive. And I love that he totally takes the piss out of his job, haha. I think he used to be an international lawyer or something.

      Anyway, back to the issue. I think Rhianna is still a pathetic little girl who wants the love of R n B “God” Chris Brown. It seems like she’s still in love with the image and is willing to overlook anything. She also seems to have that thing going on where she feels sorry for him and like she can “fix” him. Ugh.

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      • Kelly

        I find it interestingt that ppl never want to deal with the truth. Two people were engaged in a fight over 3 years ago. Rihanna and Chris know what actually transpired. The media is simply using them to support their cause/agenda. As this article represents, you cannot trust a biased media with a racist agenda!

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  13. ethel formerly known as guest

    I would love to see Andrew pen a similar response about Grant Hackett.

    http://www.napcan.org.au/images/uploads/pdf/mc0509_feat_reportage.pdf

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    • Olivia

      Interesting! Has anyone looked at this link? An article promoting men speaking out against violence against women, featuring, among others, Andrew O’Keefe and Grant Hacket….presumably before Grant’s meltdown..

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  14. Anne

    Oh I love you Andrew! What an insightful post. I change the station if a Chris brown song comes on because I have 4 girls who should not have to grow up with that thing who calls himself a man as a role model. I grew up with an abusive father and there is no excuse. He made his own decisions and if anything his background should have taught him how it feels to be beaten therefore make him not want anybody else to feel like that. There are plenty of people who have grown up with disadvantages and decided to be role models against this behaviour. CB is a disgrace!

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  15. Cath

    The man belongs in jail with OJ Simpson. I don’t care what his life was like before, it’s no excuse.

    I’m also very pleased to see that these issues of domestic violence are being taken seriously now. Back in 1994 when my ex-husband king hit me to the head just above the ear three times while sitting at traffic lights with my two babies in the backseat and cause a bleed in my brain it was ‘too much for police’. Domestics were between husbands and wives and not police. Years later when I had a CT scan my doctor asked me if I played rugby league for a living, when I said ‘no’ he put the papers down and said ‘you are lucky to be alive, this white area on your scan shows calcified blood that has dried over the years. This head injury could have killed you instantly’.

    Again, I have no sympathy for Chris Brown and I shake my head that Rihanna would even talk to this man considering she is a role model for millions of young girls. Very sad.

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    • Rachel

      Awesome post.

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  16. Shaye

    At the end of last year (I think it was) I walked past Supre and saw the windows full of t-shirts for sale saying ‘I love Chris’. Upon asking one of the store assistants who ‘Chris’ was I found out it was to promote and support his Australian tour. For a store that’s target market is teenage girls I thought it was absolutely disgusting. HOW ON EARTH does this person still have such a huge career?!

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  17. Rima

    this article from jezebel, about chris browns insane mom, is pretty insightful
    http://jezebel.com/5936997/its-time-we-talked-about-chris-browns-crazy-mom

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    • Guest

      I was going to post this! Amazing read. Makes me forgive him a little. When your only parent is telling you you are god’s gift to the world and you haven’t done anything wrong, well….that is hard to fight against.

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      • hellburger

        You’re kidding, right? Understanding why he behaved the way he did and forgiving him are two different things. Being 23/African-American/witness to DV, whatever he’s been through does not make it OK to do what he did. If the victim was your sister/mother/friend would you forgive their partner under the same circumstances?

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  18. Elle

    Why is Andrew so heavily photoshopped in the image in the article? It’s very disappointing to see, given all the articles MM has posted against photoshopping!!!!

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    • Anonymous

      Such a serious article and this is your comment?

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      • Anonymous

        I want to like this comment a thousand times..

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  19. Anonymous

    Would really love to see more information out there about the abuse of men in relationships.

    My partner was subjected to regular physical abuse by his ex. She bit, kicked, scratched, punched and threatened him with a knife. They have joint custody of a beautiful little girl who is now beginning to exhibit similar behaviour.

    It is incredibly emasculating and difficult for male victims of domestic violence. They are not allowed to fight back. Women can be vindictive. And the Court system is not as sympathetic as is should be to this kind of abuse.

    For this reason it goes unreported and the cycle continues, and very little media attention is paid to the flip side of domestic violence.

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    • Hannah

      I’m sorry to hear that your partner went through that Anonymous.

      I agree with you, domestic violence against men does happen and it should be addressed more adequately.

      However there are two main reasons why it isn’t;
      1. Domestic violence occurs in much higher frequencies to women.
      2. Domestic violence prevention and treatment organisations try to reach as many people they can with their limited resources. A higher frequency of female victims causes them to focus on them more.

      It’s not right but thats why this occurs. Hopefully once domestic violence against females is minimised, organisations can start to focus upon male victims.

      Or maybe there should just be more funding in the first place so these organisations can spread their information and support more widely.

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    • Guest

      Agreed men’s issues in this area need highlighting. They may happen less frequently but when did we aspire to be utilitarian about who we help? Every victim matters. Recent at uni after a lecture on female rape I got bluntly shut down when I tried to raise the largely silent issue of male rape.

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  20. Nicole Madigan

    It’s so great to hear a man speak out publicly against domestic violence. Good on Andrew O’Keefe for being outspoke in his role with White Ribbon

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  22. Guest

    I have teenage sisters who love Rihanna. Just the other day I made a comment about Chris Brown and one said, “But he paid his debt, and it was ages ago!” I was really disappointed so I reminded her that he punched her in the face, pulled her hair and bashed her head into the car door. He bashed her like he was fighting a man at a pub and I don’t want them to forget that.

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    • intern

      Completely agree. At that age, it’s often very black and white: he did a bad thing, but he said sorry, so it’s okay again.

      -Megan

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  23. Anonymous

    A few months ago I was involved in a relatively minor DV incident with my partner where he prevented me from leaving a hotel room & pushed me 2 or 3 times. As you can imagine it made me incredibly angry and I fully intended to leave him immediately as I’d always had a strict “I’d walk if a man ever hit me!” policy.

    However after seeing the genuine remorse of my partner, including him immediately booking himself in for counselling (which is continuing), I thought a lot more. I was about to throw away 2 years of a beautiful, healthy relationship where abuse (emotional or physical) had never been an issue, where in fact my partner had always gone to huge lengths to support me and ‘build me up’ when a few years ago my self esteem was quite low. So, after issuing some very, very firm warnings we decided to move on with our relationship.

    The thing that really surprised me was the immense guilt I felt. Not because I felt I was doing the wrong thing (I still think it was the right decision), but because I had been so conditioned to think that if I stayed I was somehow a “bad woman” or lacking in strength and respect for myself. I worried that my gut instincts were wrong and even worse, that my friends and family (if they knew) would think I was an idiot for staying.

    This was perpetuated when I sought help from my university counsellor as I am a law student and 3 days after the incident I was supposed to hand up an assignment worth 30%. I felt so patronised; “you are a good person, you deserve to be loved, you deserve a man who will treat you right”… Of course I knew these things, but the implication seemed to be that a woman who had experienced any kind of DV could not possibly see this. And, even worse, I wasn’t given an extension, which was the only thing I actually really needed.

    So… yes, I take all of Andrew’s points regarding the lack of apology, Rihanna being a role model and seriousness of the situation. I agree, and if I were Rihanna I would run! However I do think that until you have actually stood in someone’s shoes, you can’t always make a judgment about who they are or why they made their decision. And my experience at least was that the hugely negative media portrayal of any DV incident brought me, in some ways, a lot of confusion and pain.

    Again, as a disclaimer, I know that my story is MINOR and other women are experiencing far worse. I am not for a second advocating that people should stay in DV situations. I am simply putting forth my own personal story.

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    • Rufus

      I think the key difference in your story to Rhianna’s is not that it was a “minor” incident, but the reaction and behavior of your partner. That is the issue most people have with Chris Brown and Rhianna’s post abuse feelings for him

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      • 10pm

        Agreed.

        The violence in and of itself is unacceptable, but Chris Brown has not shown nearly enough remorse, and continues to spout lyrics that disrespect women and glamorise women ‘knowing their place’.

        When the music industry basically just gave him a few years time out and then let it go, it condoned these actions and gave the impression he had been ‘punished enough’.

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      • Anonymous

        Did you read the comment Oprah made?!
        I have had a similar experience to you…and 2 years later the same man, who I loved punched, kicked and hit me while I was holding our 14 month old and 7 months pregnant.
        There is a reason you had a one touch and walk away policy!

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    • anon today

      As a university lecturer, I think you should have gone elsewhere for an extension. People ask for them for all sorts of stupid reasons. Here you had a genuine reason, don’t let the counsellor talk you down.

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  24. neola

    Just a thought, if you’re going to write about someone else’s relationship publicly, not to mention say they’re ‘selling short their own dignity’ it’d be a nice touch to learn how to spell the woman’s name.

    No disrespect, great that you’re an ambassador for a worthy cause, but frankly, I wish people would stop telling Rihanna how she should feel and react to her own experience and pain. Maybe she hasn’t said and done what the public expected or wanted to see but if it’s her way of coping, let her be. It’s her life.

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  25. Guest

    Ok MM, enough with stories on Chris Brown and Rhianna. OK we get it! He’s an a-hole! Time to move on -please!

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    • Mum of 2 cheeky monkeys

      Guest I think it is really important that this time, this article is written from the perspective of a man. It’s not the same old thing. And btw when Chris brown shows some remorse maybe people will ‘get over it’

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    • Anne

      If you are “over it” don’t read it. Nobody is forcing you to click on the story. I’m not over it as long as that man is around acting like he did nothing wrong and being the role model for young people who look up to him.

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  26. AndrewFan

    Andrew thanks for this. The voices of good men need to be louder in these discussions. Women who have grown up in environments where abuse is the norm need to hear men saying, no, this is not OK. And women who find themselves in abusive relationships, need to know that the shame is not theirs to carry. But the bully boy who lashes out rather than seeking a resolutions for his own problems.

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    • Nicki

      More to the point, boys need to hear these good men saying abuse is not OK. I would prefer someone like Andrew to be a role model for boys than Chris Brown!

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  27. just a girl

    You can forgive someone without staying in a relationship with them.

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  28. Sandy

    Thankyou Andrew for being brave enough to put your (male) name to such a terrific response.

    My way of making a point… I switch stations whenever CB is on. Wish they’d stop playing him on the radio

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    • Bec

      I do exactly the same thing, i’ll never listen to one of his songs again. What irritates me is that radio stations don’t just play him in amongst all the other music, they are actually still promoting him and his songs.

      It is a disgrace.

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  29. Annabelle

    This article by The Vine highlights exactly why Chris Brown should never, ever, ever be forgiven:

    http://www.thevine.com.au/music/festivals/supafest-adds-guy-who-beat-the-shit-out-of-rihanna-to-their-2012-line-up/

    Warning: contains a graphic description of the domestic violence incident.

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    • zepgirl

      Holy sh*t. I just went and read what was on there. How in God’s name did he avoid prison for that? What a gigantic assh*le that guy is. He obviously can’t control himself. Either in cars on on stage when someone else is accepting an award.

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    • erin86

      OMG i just read this too… i feel sick what an effing PIG!

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    • Beckala

      Holy crap. I’d heard bits and pieces of what had happened, but hearing the graphic details!! It makes me even angrier that according to some in Hollywood, all is forgiven, and makes me admire people like P!nk who stand up and let their disapproval known!

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    • Anon

      Thank for the link! Though so sad :(

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  30. becsparrow

    These are the two lines which struck a chord with me:

    “That doesn’t mean she shouldn’t love him. It simply means she must demand that he truly loves her in return.”

    Brilliantly put, Andrew. Here’s hoping your words help some women see their situations in a new light.

    Can I also recommend the book “The Verbally Abusive Relationship: How to recognise it and how to respond” by Patricia Evans.

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    • Carz

      Yes and no. Most abusers will swear that they love their partner/victim. My ex, even after I had thrown him out of the house after years of abuse still swore he loved me.

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      • becsparrow

        Absoutely.

        I think the point Andrew is making is that we (the women) have to understand that love is NOT violence. A guy who punches you or who plays mind games with you does not love you — regardless of what he tells you.

        And really, just becuase you love someone doesn’t mean you’re meant to be with them.

        A shrink told a friend of mine (who was in an abusive relationship and struggling to leave) that if she really loved this guy, she should leave. Because allowing him to continue treating her badly would only reinforce every crap thing he deep down thought about himself. So the biggest gift she could give him – if she really loved him — would be to get out.

        That’s what worked for her.

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        • Louise

          Bec, any advice for someone who is/was friends with someone in the situation? Witnessed the abuse first hand (had to physically pull his hands off her throat) and friend will NOT accept there’s a problem…

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          • becsparrow

            One of the best things you can do is start keeping a diary of evidence … write down when she talks about being hit, brusies you see, put down dates and times. All of that stuff. Because i think it can be used as evidence.

            The truth is you can never make someone leave an abusive relationship. But ask her, “When you were 17 and you pictured your life at 39 (or whatever age she is) … is this what you imagined?”

            If you could somehow get her to see a shrink, to talk through how to handle being in an abusive relationship … that could help her to see that she is not helping HIM by letting him hit her. (It’s twisted logic but when you’re really in love, you can be convinced that you are doing the right thing FOR THEM by leaving).

            Can you ring the hotline listed at the end of this story for help and advice? That would be the BEST advice I can give you. They will know what you should do.

            On her behalf, let me say, thank you for being such a good friend.

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            • Anonymous

              I didn’t see anyone boycouting Charles sheen o Mel gibson, and when you guys talk about white male I think you guys forgot who manny rate happen in the white community

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  31. Laws for Clouds

    I just want to point out that since beating Rihanna, Chris Brown has been involved in nightclub brawls. This *is not* a one-off incident.

    I also question his level of respect for women since Rihanna’s nude photos were leaked.

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  32. Sarah

    Very well said.

    PS Mamamia, the video doesn’t play ‘due to copyright reasons’?

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  33. Beckala

    The video is blocked in our region…

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    • ashamasha

      …well, they did say it was ‘hard to watch’ :P

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    • jamilarizvi

      Hi Beckala

      Sorry about that – the rights to access that video on youtube got removed for our region. We’ve put a new link in now and although you have to suffer through a Katy Perry advert first, you can still see parts of the interview.

      Jamila x

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  34. Kirsty

    Bravo Andrew.

    People who love you don’t treat you like that. Everybody deserves respect but the actions of people often don’t. Violence is never the answer & it’s never acceptable or respectable. That’s what I teach my son. Every. Single. Day.

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  35. Genevieve

    Well said, Andrew. I couldn’t agree more.

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