By SERENA NELSON
I’ve always been uncomfortable with calling myself a dog owner. You see while I love my dog very much, I don’t like calling myself her ‘owner’ as to me that makes her seem like a possession. A ‘Thing’. Call me a car owner? That’s fine. A home owner? I wish. But a dog owner? Not so much. It’s weird I know, but on a personal level it just doesn’t sit well with me.
You see, we currently live in a world where, for many people, animals are a commodity. They are things to be used, traded, exploited and discarded. We use rabbits to test our makeup, cram chickens into cages to collect their eggs, factory farm cows and their young to eat their flesh and drink their milk. We buy puppies only to abandon them in old age. We wear animal skins on our feet and back. We carry their hides as purses, or decorate our bodies with their fur. We use their bones in our potions and lotions. For some animals they become our eyes to guide us in the world, others our prized possessions to be traded for profit. They risk their lives for us in dangerous situations, carry the heavy loads we cannot bear, and sit in enclosures for our amusement. To be an animal in 2012 is a dangerous prospect.
Feeling guilty? Me too. But this is not an article to disparage people’s personal choices related to the issues above. For me I still eat fish and wear leather shoes, while at the same time I adamantly deplore the use of animal testing and factory farming. I’m a walking, talking contradiction. Every day I try to do better. BE better.
But despite all this, there is one thing I can define clearly. When I watch my dog play with a new toy, cuddle up to me at the end of the day, or just sit in the garden to take in the sunlight, I don’t see a possession. I don’t see a commodity. I see a life. I see a living, breathing creature with a spirit. I see a soul with the ability to feel happiness, sadness, pain, joy, loss, excitement and everything in between. My dog is as real as you and me, and deserves a life as fulfilled as yours and mine.
This insight is not restricted to my loyal friend of 11 years. When I see cows dancing at their release into the open after a life without sunlight, or watch laboratory Beagles feel grass under their feet for the very first time; I see that spirit. When I watch the reassuring embrace of test Chimps upon their transfer into a natural habitat, or watch dogs welcome home their military owners from deployment, it is there.
But unfortunately it isn’t always joy and happiness that I see in these animals. Too often I see animals experiencing fear, betrayal and heartbreaking pain. And too often these emotions come at the hands of a human who sees them as little more than a possession. I know it was only a film, but for this very reason I found myself bawling my eyes out within 5 seconds of the new Planets of the Apes movie.* And for this same very reason, I found myself cheering on the great apes as they came to power.** Call me crazy, but for me Dr Zaius was onto something.
As a world we need to start respecting our fellow species. We need to start realising animals were not put on this earth merely for our own personal gain. We need to begin to understand they’re here for the exact same reasons we are. Not to get married, or climb the career ladder, or buy a home; but to experience the basis of life. To find joy. To feel love. To connect. To live.
For a chicken that is unable to lay eggs still can enjoy foraging in the garden. A horse that can no longer pull a carriage still can feel their sun on their back. A puppy that was born with the wrong colouring may not be a winning show dog, but they still can be a faithful companion. Without us, they still have a purpose.
So as you make your way in the world this week, I have a little favour to ask. When you spend time with an animal, or happen on using a product or service an animal was involved in, make a conscious thought towards the life of that animal. Think about just how much they give to us on a daily basis, and thank them.
Thank them for being them.
* I know – I am possibly the most FUN movie date ever. I also ask questions in spy thrillers and eat Maltesers loudly.
** I also ruin endings for people who haven’t seen the movie yet. Sorry.
Serena Faber Nelson is a television producer, writer and shares a home with a fluffy dog. You can visit her on her pet blog ‘Pretty Fluffy’ where she discusses current issues and lifestyle tips for animal lovers. You can follow her on Twitter here.






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That military homecoming vid with all of the dogs was the best thing I’ve seen in a long time. Brought a tear to my eye.
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I absolutely loved this story. I don’t, of course, own my dog (sometimes he owns me!!) but he is my best friend, companion and someone I love dearly. I think it’s time we all see this.
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I know I’m probably going to get a lot of flack for this comment, but I just wanted to add another perspective. I read this article and the comments and my reaction was that this is such a “first world” topic and cause. There are people who are saying in the comments how meat eating is akin to murder, this came to mind last night when watching the atrocities that are currently being committed in Syria. To me there is absolutely no comparison.
I have a dog and I love my boy, buy him premium pet food, he has insurance, I’m the one who is always organizing his walks and my hubby tells me I’m too soft on him for letting him cuddle up with us in bed (he weighs as much as I do). But I own him in that I paid money for his purchase, I am responsible for his upkeep and am also responsible for his actions. We can speculate all we want to as far as dogs’ emotions and how much autonomy their actions are based on, but at the end of the day it is purely speculation.
While it might be nice if no living entity anywhere could feel any pain and never die or be killed, but that’s not the way life works. Nature is brutal. And yes, I agree that humans shouldn’t be responsible for animals’ suffering unnecessarily and I think the whole idea of reflecting on our interactions with animals is worthwhile. But when compared to the amount of human suffering that is going in the world it’s hard for me to really get worked up about animals.
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To say you are an animal lover but eat meat is the same as saying you love children but also like to make jackets out of their skin and to believe this is purely your personal choice that you have a right to make.
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I think police & prosecutors would see it differently.
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No, it isn’t. Animals are not people, and for the love of sanity, stop saying they are.
Or, at least make it explicit about WHICH animals you’re caring about, because if you care about all animals, I hope you only eat veggies you’ve grown yourself sans ploughs and pesticides.
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“Animals are not people” is about as useful a statement as “animals are not cows”. We’re all animals. The criterion by which we separate ourselves from all other animals (intelligence) is irrelevant when it comes to the topic at hand. The only relevant criterion then is sentience. A sentient animal should never be owned unnecessarily and a sentient animal should certainly never be turned into meat unnecessarily. It’s violent, discriminatory and hateful behavior.
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I actually find quite a number of the comments that you’ve made on this subject rather extreme. This comment is just another example.
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Thanks for pointing that out Bradley, I was thinking “Wow there are a lot of unbalanced people commenting here” but now you’ve pointed it out the really odd ones all come with “Michelle” attached.
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Torturing and killing animals to satisfy our taste buds is extreme, nothing Michelle has said is even close to extreme, it’s the truth. Really, how can you claim to love animals while directly supporting the unnecessary torture and killing of them? It is the antithesis of love.
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“We need to start realising animals were not put on this earth merely for our own personal gain. We need to begin to understand they’re here for the exact same reasons we are. Not to get married, or climb the career ladder, or buy a home; but to experience the basis of life. To find joy. To feel love. To connect. To live.”
This I also have to pull up short. Animals aren’t put here to do those things. Neither are we. Our singular biological purpose in life is to pass on our genes, and it is a fortunate and precious quirk of biology that we ARE able to do those other things, like love, and appreciate the sunset and know it for what it is, and joy.
Most other animals aren’t so lucky in that quirk of biology. They* don’t have the faculties, or the need, to appreciate a sunset, or feel love. Attachment and other base emotions isn’t love, and it is a very special human thing to feel love truly for what it is, and suffer for it.
Animals are ‘here’ to live, but, well, so is everything else, us included.
*Here I don’t speak for chimpanzees, or orcas, or gorillas, or African grey parrots. They may well enjoy sunsets, and that’s why it’s important and necessary to make distinctions.
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I’m pretty sure most mammals do feel affection since they have to raise their young. That’s not to say I believe they were “put on earth ” to feel , obviously , since I don’t believe there is any purpose to life.
Humans feel love, lions feel love, maybe cows do too? I’ve seen those stories about trans-species adoptions and I find them very cute, but what makes them so touching is probably the fact that they defy nature.
But the fact that an animal can feel love doesn’t mean that it should escape the food chain and die of old age and never suffer during its lifetime , that’s just not how life works, I accept that I’m an animal and part of the food chain, I can feel love and still if I happened to be eaten by a shark while having a swim, I’ll become meat (and won’t be respected for it as apparently sharks dislike the taste of human flesh lol….)
Life just sucks for everyone and that’s the way it is, and we are probably the only animals out there wondering why it is so cruel while other species are busy hunting for their young. I’m thinking our survival instinct has somehow weakened as we have evolved to avoid the sight of death and were safely shielded from the reality of life. Life doesn’t have a “live and let live” philosophy , it doesn’t have a philosophy , it has laws: eat or be eaten , reproduce and feed your young, then die.
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There’s a vast difference between love and biological attraction and attachment, but yes, I do get your point
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I don’t actually believe in “love “, I avoided saying it to avoid being hated, but since you bring it up I can’t resist the urge to tell the truth
(i’m an aspie, it’s like a curse lol)
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I wish I could bake a cake made of rainbows and smiles, etc…
Can’t we all just get along? Goodness, this was a little intense to read at 7am
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She doesn’t even go here!
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Oh, and here’s a handy guide for whenever you’re about to play “bait the vegan” with some amazingly original bon mot (which, FYI, your average vegan has heard a gajillion times and remains unmoved):
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2736/4170866438_ac0255a0b8.jpg
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Look, I am vegetarian, have been since I was fifteen. I don’t eat dairy. I eat eggs from my own chickens because I can see them happily wandering around my yard picking at grubs, eating veggies and generally living a euphorically hen friendly life.
I also OWN my animals. They are mine because they sure as hell are not yours. I am theirs. I have a couple of poodles sleeping on my bed, I have dogs who greet me with joy every afternoon when I come home, I have a litter of six week-old orphaned kittens right now, I have happy cats lazing by the fire, my horses are waiting at the gates of their paddocks when I open the curtains each morning (in the dark!) … it’s like freaking snow white around here.
They have a brilliant, wonderful life. Far better than they would get in the wild considering they have been domesticated for thousands of years. Far better than they would get if they were left to rot in a paddock and never ridden. Horses take a lot of care. Leaving them to moulder in a paddock without their teeth and feet done, worming, vaccinations, feed, adequate shelter, good company and veterinary care is a form of abuse. If they aren’t ridden, that’s what happens. What, are you saying you’ll come help pay for and look after all these horses? … No, you’re busy yelling at people on the internet.
Do you know some horses get metabolic problems and diabetes from a sedentary lifestyle? I have horses who need to be carefully watched for their weight, wear grazing muzzles and be locked up with a high protein diet in order to keep them alive. I have a premature foal who we spent close to $4000 on in his first week of life, he would have been dead otherwise because he had not gotten any colostrum and foals are born imuno-incomplete. I have horses who survived Black Saturday covered in burns with smoke inhalation only because of careful and dedicated veterinary care. Every morning and every night before I think about myself, my animals are fed, watered, rugged to the weather, checked and have their bum scratches (very important!). I have the guts to euthanise my animals when they are suffering.
So I won’t feel remotely guilty. I won’t let someone like you tell me you’re more of an animal lover or kinder to animals than I am because mine are ‘enslaved’ because it’s simply not true.
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I want to be one of your animals!!
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I know right! Those ponies sound pampered!
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I think we didn’t see eye to eye on an earlier post but from everything you’ve said here you sound like an amazing human being, making an enormous contribution to quite a few specific animals’ welfare and animal welfare in general from your choice to be vegetarian. I love that you have poodles
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well aren’t you a rude git.
Go Dressage Queen!
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I suppose bluntly pointing out uncomfortable things people don’t want to be confronted with could be construed as rude, yes. I’ll try not to cry myself to sleep tonight.
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Thanks for all the comments so far everyone! It’s great to see so much thought going into how animals co-exist with us on a daily basis. To answer some of the questions below this is definitely NOT a post calling on people to be vegetarian or vegan. That is a personal choice.
However it IS a post to make us all think a bit more about how animals are involved in our daily lives and to remember to respect them. Even the smallest thought or action can make a difference. Thanks again for all the feedback!
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I think I was more reacting to other commentators than yourself in my original reply(s) below, so here’s my reply to you:
Possession isn’t a bad thing. Claiming ownership of something isn’t to belittle it, call it and recognise it as inferior; or maybe it is, but it’s also to claim responsibility for it. I own my cat, gifted to me with love from my parents and nurtured by me to her present happy life. That doesn’t belittle her. It recognises she is a cat, my cat.
There’s nothing wrong with the legal or moral consideration of owning another living being, and therefore assuming responsibility for it. I suppose the closest approximation is that of parental responsibility of children; true that parents don’t legally or morally own their children, but they do have responsibility for them, and (as someone brought up in a slightly more bizarre context below) your average dog has approximately the same level of sapience as a toddler.
There is a difference between animals and people. There is also difference between some animals and others. I don’t pause at eating pork, and although I probably would at the thought of eating dog, that’s more cultural than anything else, given their approximate levels of intelligence. I would not eat whale, or bushmeat, or parrots, because I recognise that their level of intelligence and, more importantly, sapience is much closer to ours. I wouldn’t pause at eating vegetables or grain, though I know many animals die in the production of them, like birds and rodents and insects – but that’s only right.
You can make distinctions between some animals and others and still consider yourself an animal lover, and there is nothing wrong with that. I don’t recognise a contradiction. If I did, and decided all sentient life was sacred, I wouldn’t be able to eat anything. So I consider where my steak comes from when I eat it, and I love my cat and appreciate (in the real sense of the word) my leather shoes.
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So my mum wasn’t far off when she said having a dog was like having another toddler in the house!
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Any of you who think this is all very funny and vegans are shrill, hysterical zealots, how about having the courage of your convictions and watch the documentary Earthlings. I dare you.
http://www.earthlings.com/
Maybe it will give you some insight into why we feel the way we do.
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This is NOT a post pushing vegetarianism people!
It is asking us just to be aware of the way we make use of animals.
It is asking us to consider respecting animals a bit more.
I believe you can respect animals and eat them. You can ensure your meat is ethically ‘produced’. You can try to buy less pairs of leather shoes – (not never – just ask yourself “do I need that”?). You can try to buy more beauty products that aren’t tested on animals.
It isn’t all or nothing.
Just try to add a bit more thought and compassion into your choices as a consumer.
xo
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Ah see, with leather shoes, the answer is always “yes, I do need that!”
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How many pairs do you need?
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Thanks Joey xx
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Also, you know what? I really call BS on this whole argument, and the whole idea you must be a vegan who doesn’t own an animal (and probably drives a Prius) to care about animals.
There is no right or wrong way to do it.
The farmers who provide my steak and the milk in your coffee more than likely care more about their animals than you do. They care about, and more importantly respect, what their animals give them, and all of society.
You know what? Animals are things. WE are things too, and yes, we have a choice to try and minimise suffering for animals who don’t share our DNA. Nothing frustrates me more, though, when the choice to NOT exercise that choice is glorified as the better one.
I eat meat, because it’s good for me, I like the taste and I consider myself to be healthier on a diet high in lean protein (and yes, I am well are of the nutritional literature concerned). I wear leather, because I appreciate it as a textile. I wear fur, mostly vintage, because I recognise animals used in the fur industry are exceptionally well treated (except in China), and nothing is wasted, not even the meat. I own a cat, and I love her and care for and even have taken out human-style insurance for her, because I do not recognise a contradiction. I actively support animal welfare initiatives, and I do not recognise a contradiction.
Frankly I put the ‘meat is murder’ crowd into the same basket as the ‘abortion is murder’ fruitcakes.
Thank you and goodnight.
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AMEN! thank you!
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Abortion is murder, but that’s a whole other argument :p
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You can continue to eat meat – the point you have missed is that we need to think about where these animal products come from. How has your meat been produced? Or do you not care?
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The implication is that once one thinks about where one’s meat comes from, one must necessarily become a vegan, or one is a hypocrite for expressing concern over the animal in the first place.
I resent that, and I’ve met some of my meals. I routinely consider where my meat/dairy/eggs come from, and I still don’t see a contradiction.
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Where does it say that in the article above? Or has it been edited since you posted?
You seem to have caught a faint whiff of when you deem pro-vegetarian-esque-ism (or something) and so have blocked your fingers in your ears and starting singing “la la la”.
Serena isn’t saying “If you love animals you shouldn’t eat them”. She is saying “if you love animals you should think more about the ways in which humans interact with them”. What is wrong with that?
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Totally agree with Joey
This isn’t black and white – it isn’t Vegan vs Meat eaters who skin the animals alive
It is advising us to think about treating animals in a respectful way if we are going to eat them.
For me – this means trying to find meat suppliers from smaller companies/farms, where the animals might have had a more pleasant life, and as humane a death as possible.
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“Feeling guilty? Me too. But this is not an article to disparage people’s personal choices related to the issues above. For me I still eat fish and wear leather shoes, while at the same time I adamantly deplore the use of animal testing and factory farming. I’m a walking, talking contradiction. Every day I try to do better. BE better.”
Sorry, I don’t feel guilty.
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Thank you Bec. All I have to say is, I’m sharing this:
http://www.animalsaustralia.org/features/chickens-are-not-bird-brains.php
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I am a self confessed animal lover. I quietly prefer the company of animals to humans sometimes. I was at the million paws walk and it felt like I’d come home, surrounded by all sorts of breeds!
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I am against murder, of all things, not FOR it. You are the one who is pro murder. I’m just saying whatever sauce you pour on it is irrelevant to the deceased animal. Respecting it by cooking its flesh properly – how absurd!
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As far as the headline and first paragraph or so goes, I see it as just a matter of semantics. What do you call yourself – the dog’s friend, landlord, caretaker, companion? The local council wants to know who to send the registration notice to and who to sue if it bites the neighbour, and they choose to call that person the “owner”.
I find the rest of the article a bit too vaguely warm-and-fuzzy. Is it advocating vegetarianism, veganism, animal liberation, free range produce? Or just saying thank you as we tuck into our steak?
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What do you feed your dog? I would love a dog but do not want to participate in the meat industry. I also don’t want to keep an animal locked up and alone in my backyard all day. Thanks for your article. I hope it makes people think. Too often people who see themselves as ‘humanitarian’ and empathetic also put themselves on top of the animal kingdom and assume that non human animals have no empathy or ethics. It is about time people realised that this is not true. We are only separated from animals by plumbing and carpentry
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Dogs can live quite happily and healthily on a vegan diet, just so you know.
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Don’t try it with a cat.
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or with a dog………….
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Anonymous is right, so long as you carefully research what you are feeding (try looking at Vegan Pet also for some preprepared stuff though I’m yet to find a dog that will eat that dry food willingly).
Also you might like to consider the Complete Pet Food Company products. These are meat-based raw patties made in SEQ, but they get their meat from arguably more ethical sources e.g. wild goats, kangaroos, free range chicken, etc. They don’t use meat from factory farms.
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Why on earth would you take an animal which is evolutionarily carnivorous, bring it into your home, and then feed it a vegan diet? How did the dog consent to this? If you’re going to do that, please for the love of St Francis, just get a different animal. Or no animal at all.
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When I read those comments I get mental pictures of dogs chewing on a carrot in the wild or a rabbit hunting a mouse….Can’t you FEEL how wrong it is? It’s very wrong :/
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Lulu, I didn’t say I did, I am just aware of these products and pointing them out to the other poster. But before you attempt to mount an argument, you’re best to check your facts as dogs are omnivorous (as are wolves and dingoes), not “evolutionarily carnivorous”.
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I knew someone would bring out the omnivorous argument, but saying “evolutionarily carnivorous” was quicker than saying “evolutionarily omnivorous due to eating the stomach contents of their herbivorous prey but otherwise entirely carnivorous – certainly not grazers, browsers or seed-eaters”.
And the ‘you’ in my statement was more of a generic ‘you’, not specifically directed at you. – I am genuinely baffled as to why people would do this. Like soyabean said, there are veggie animals available as pets so I think it’s unnecessary (and wrong) to choose a cat/dog with the intention of feeding it a veggie diet.
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Get a veggie animal! Like a rabbit. Then you don’t have to worry.
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What a beautiful post. This moved me xx
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Thanks backagain xx
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My pugs own me. I am their slave.
And I LOVE it…..
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My pug owns me too!
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Another pug possession here too. Currently snoring her head off on my lap.
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Yep. I was thinking this. My animals belong to me. I mean, they sure as hell don’t belong to anyone else. And I belong to them. It’s how it should be. Why would I feel bad about that? I don’t!
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I have two pug crosses (pug x beagle) both rescues and they run the show. No question!
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How are you guys proud of this…….>: /
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As a carnivore, let me assure each and every one of you that I show respect to the beast that gave up its life in order for me to have a meal by cooking its flesh properly.
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Whatever respect you think you have in your head is irrelevant to the animal that has been killed. Could a murderer ‘respect’ his/her victim in some macarbre way? Possibly. but it would not matter to you if you were being hacked to death with a knife.
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I find it interesting that you compare the preparation of a meal to someone being stabbed to death by some random murderer. Actually, I find it shocking.
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Bradley, No, the preparation of a plant based meal is not murder. The preparation of a meat based meal is. You are blind to the facts. A piece of meat is a murder victim. It does not donate it’s body willingly. It is not voluntary.
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Please, somebody think of the tomatoes
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Michelle….slap me in chains ! I’m evil personified, holding a fry pan !
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What do you think of wild carnivores? Are they also committing murder? If they can get away with eating meat ethically, what’s the difference with us?
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Seriously?
A) Hunting is more ethical than factory farming (not that I support humans hunting other animals). At least the prey has, up until the point of death, enjoyed a natural life.
B) We have logic and the ability to make conscious choices of consumption and a wide array of different, cruelty-free options available at any given time, thanks to the magic of the supermarket.
C) We are omnivores, not carnivores. We can choose not to eat meat. A lion can’t very well do that.
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Michelle, I find alarmist “meat is murder” attitudes to be outrageous and not helping your cause at all.
A member of my immediate family works very closely with families of homicide victims, and I find you saying with apparent seriousness that Bradley eating steak is akin to MURDER utterly offensive and in much poorer taste than the original comment.
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Taking a life without consent while the being fights for said life is what, exactly?
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Bradley, do you think the animal died all by itself to wind up in your kitchen to be ‘cooked properly’? That was such a ridiculous statement I can only think it was posted as vego-bait.
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I could say “I love babies, but nobody has the right to make me feel guilty when I make handbags out of their skin. It’s my personal choice and it’s part of my culture. I respect the baby in the way I craft my handbag. The baby would be grateful for what an artwork it has become .” This is the same logic as those who say they are animal lovers but eating meat has nothing to do with it and it is their personal choice.
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The way you confuse cattle and members of your own species in your mind reminds me a bit of those nutjobs who fall in love with objects , marry their cars or have sex with buildings . You’re the opposite of a sociopath who thinks of humans as objects , for you everything is human …. it’s strange
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I’m not sure the animal in question has that concept in mind.
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Especially after it’s dead
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I think the animal would appreciate it more if you rather considered that it was killed ethically and had a half decent life while it was alive.
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I have to admit that I didn’t read any of the comments before posting my first one. As I’ve gone through, I’m starting to think that the article is more or less a plug for vegetarianism.
Be vego if that’s what snaps your carrot. I know that you won’t go out of your way to force your lifestyle on those of us who choose the carnivorous path.
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Lol. next time someone asks me why I’m veggie I’m going to say ‘it snaps my carrot’. Love it!
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If that snaps your carrot, then by all means say it !
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I feel quite torn by your article.
We own our dogs in respect to the fact that we paid someone money for each of them. Our dogs live in our home and we treat them like the children that we don’t have. In fact, I would go as far to suggest that we possibly treat our dogs better than some parents we know of, treat their children. We like to think that our dogs chose us as their humans rather than us choosing them as our dogs.
Actually, I more confused by your article than torn because there seem to be a number of conflicting ideas contained within. But to each their own view. I’m confused by your assertion that you aren’t a dog owner. Are you a dog guardian, perhaps ?
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I agree with you … and I don’t. I AM an animal person. I am ruled by two cats, three dogs and seven horses. I ride and breed horses for the sport of dressage. My foals are worth about 15-20,000 when they come out of the oven using the best frozen semen from European stallions.
I do own them. They are worth money. They also live better lives than I do. Massages, bioscans, specifically designed diets with balanced vitamins and minerals, pedicures every 4-6 weeks, horsey companions, a wardrobe of rugs for all weather and occasions. They aren’t complaining. In return some of them are ridden, perhaps an hour a day five or six days a week, and they go to competitions every now and then. Pretty sweet life if you ask me.
So for that reason, I get quite annoyed when confronted with what I’ll call ‘vegan attitude’ even though it is not restricted to vegans and it is not just vegans who are responsible- and for the record I am vegetarian. People who think ‘owning’ horses is wrong, riding horses is wrong, all the rest of it. WHAT would they prefer we do? Turn our babies into the wild? I don’t think they would like that very much! Our horses who have been domesticated for thousands of years.
Not saying the writer is promoting this, but it’s something that does annoy me, when I devote my life and my money to my animals to be dictated to by someone who lives in the city and maybe has a cat or a goldfish (though that’d be cruel, right?).
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I am so happy to read I am not the only freak who balled my eyes out at that movie! I watched it with my hubby on Saturday night and I found it really disturbing, particularly watching how they were treated at that centre. I know it was just a movie but there is no doubt places like that exist and I was so happy when he killed that A-hole! Strangely when the ape fell off the bridge I felt a pang of sadness, but then when the cop fell off I didn’t flinch… Humans suck, animals don’t!
Humans are the only species who kill for fun, that says alot about us!
I will give my beagle doggie a little extra TLC tonight, sometimes between him and my 2 year old I get a stressed and get frustrated with him (he gets under my feet and he tries to steal food etc.) but he is a good boy and I love him to bits.
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You clearly haven’t had interactions with foxes. Or cats.
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Well. For animals, it’s fun-with-a-purpose, which is not the same thing.
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Gah – bawl, we bawl our eyes out! Balling one’s eyes out gives me a terrible mental image……
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YES. Thank you! Animals are not products, possessions, things. They are sentient beings with complex emotional needs like ours. I do not own my cat. I love her, but I am her guardian, not her owner. I wish more people thought like this.
I am also vegan because I realised there is no ethical difference between mistreating a dog and mistreating a pig. The only difference between domestic animals and farmed animals is the emotional value *we* as humans place on them. Pretty arrogant when you think about it.
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My son’s dental therapist takes it to the next level – her dog is vegan as well!!
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And I’m sorry but keeping a dog or cat vegan is cruel. These animals are carnivores, they have evolved to eat meat and I can think of nothing so selfish as imposing human values on another creature.
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My cat eats a carnivorous diet, as she is a carnivore and can’t choose. As an omnivore, I can choose for myself.
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Sorry but dogs are not carnivores. They can thrive perfectly healthily on a vegan diet. Jane DJ didn’t say anything about a cat but yes cats are indeed carnivores.
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Sorry, but it’s still cruel and selfish to impose a vegan diet upon an animal who can’t make that decision for its self.
Well, I’m off to be horribly cruel and evil being loved on by my poor enslaved, meat eating poodles!
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And your horse just begs you to strap on the saddle, throw a chunk of metal in its mouth and turning hundreds of circles training it to do dressage?
Your horses make those decisions for themselves?
I think you are applying a double standard in this particular case, dressage queen.
I think a lovingly prepared vegan meal for a pampered pup could hardly be called cruel and selfish in comparison to demanding submission of a prey animal. Domestication for a few thousand years does not trump the previous million years of evolution.
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I’ve never met this dog, but according to her it came from a neglectful situation, in terrible condition and after months on this diet is happy, shiny, energetic, and keen as mustard to tuck into his vego diet. I’d assume she gives it vitamins ( B6 can only come from animal-based sources) to make up for any deficiencies.
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So true! We are sort of racist, or specisist when it comes to animals. I f you eat chickens you have no right to look down your nose at people who kick their dogs and chain them up or starve them to death.
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Amen to that uncomfortable truth. Most people would rather lash out in anger at vegans and call us freaks or extremists than acknowledge that, though.
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Actually Dressage Queen is not entirely correct. I have studied animal nutrition and although cats are carnivores, dogs are omnivorous and provided they otherwise receive the right nutrients, they don’t need meat.
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Agreed.
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Disagree! It depends where the chicked came from.
If it had a reasonably happy life, was able to forage etc and then got its head cut off in an instant with an axe…
Or if if was stuck in some factory never seeing the sun or having a dust bath…
I have a big problem with the second, but not so much with the first.
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I am an omnivore.
I also volunteer at a dog refuge and find it quite offensive that you’d suggest I am the same as an animal abuser.
I liken vegetarianism and veganism to religion as both are belief systems and I give them the same amount of respect (each to their own). As per Mamamia’s ‘dinner party’ rules, I find your likening of a human omnivore to an animal abuser no different than calling all members of a certain religion terrorists (unacceptable).
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Giving your money to factory farmers is funding this abuse. What other conclusion can we draw? Are you suggesting you’re not complicit? Nothing talks more loudly than money.
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I make every effort to purchase ethically sourced food where I can and support the humane treatment of animals that are farmed. Yes I understand that ‘ethical’ can differ from producer to producer but I do my best and am more than educated coming from a family who’s history is built on agriculture.
I don’t expect a vegetarian or vegan to be happy with a human eating meat and I am ok with that but I do expect to not be treated as a criminal for it.
Feel free to continue telling me what a bad person I am but I won’t be responding as it is clear we will be of opposing views and I respect your choice.
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Team carisma.
I would rather eat a fish I’ve caught, or a chicken I’ve raised, than eat a factory farmed animal.
Humans can be vegan, but it’s healthier for a human to be an omnivore. My vegan phase made me very ill, even with a carefully balanced diet.
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I can’t reply to Nicki, but just wanted to say that I sort of agree – to an extent. As far as choices go, hunting and killing your own meat (e.g. fishing) is closer to the ethical end of the spectrum, as opposed to consuming from farms.
I would just say that choosing not to eat meat or use animal products at all is even more preferable – as humans, we are evolved enough to have that luxury of compassionate choice. That’s why although I genuinely think it’s great that Carisma is supporting farms that have better standards for animals, I don’t accept that in general that is “doing one’s best” – you can go one better and not eat sentient beings.
I grew up with agriculture too, and I don’t think that gives anyone a leave pass. It’s not a situation that requires much information – a person is either eating a dead animal or not.
Speaking of which, I also find it immensely frustrating when producers or their promoters speak of ‘humane’ animal production. If it ends in harming, stressing, causing pain to and/or killing the animal, that is absolutely contrary to the definition of humane. Even some of the perceived humane practices starting to come in – such as prohibiting sow stalls – have their own welfare implications if you’re aware what pigs can do to each other in a confined space; even a large one. As far as I can see, the best choice is to have a plant-based diet.
Gosh, this is the biggest rant I’ve ever had on here!
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Diana the huntress – i think you’re my new hero. So glad someone is standing up for the voiceless x
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Thank you, I try to do my bit. It is hard when basic economics (demand creates supply) is wilfully ignored by the vast majority, though, because they don’t want to acknowledge their own part in the cycle of cruelty. Thankfully there are a handful of us who give a shit.
And I love how most seem to think that vegans/animal rights activists are unaware of how we’re perceived. I am all too keenly aware that people assume I’m some overly-emotional, anthropomorphising, humourless, alfalfa-munching hippie. I’m actually none of these things. If these people met me they’d be surprised at how “normal” and non-shrill and non-hippieish I am. But that’s not really important. It’s not about me. What’s important is that we speak up for those who can’t speak for themselves, regardless of how unpopular it makes us.
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It is simple. Look at the plain facts. It is not a religion. Ask youself:
Did this animal die willingly for me to eat it? If not, then how did it die? Did it die agaist its will? If so, then what force was used? Did it cause pain? In what way do you have the right to cause this pain? If it were done in your own loungeroom could you watch? Would you do it to your own pet? Why not? What is the difference?
Is it objectively true that animals experience painand suffering?
For what reason are you eating their flesh? Is it out of habit?
It is not needed for nutrition and is the greatest cause of heart disease, strokes and heart attacks.
And if you choose to eat meat, why should the rest of us have to pay for your hospitalisation?
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Excuse me, the cow in question doesn’t have the CAPABILITY to give consent to be eaten. The question is absurd.
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her point being that no animal is willingly becoming your food source, so no animal animal product should be consumed without accepting that this animal has suffered for you to benefit, and is this benefit worth the suffering of that animal?
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Excuse me? How dare you compare abuse of animals to racism!? I am incredulous that people actually think this.
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Arguably the only non-human animals who can truly be considered to be ‘sentient’ are the higher primates, cetaceans, and possibly some parrots and octopuses.
Cows aren’t sentient. Neither are chickens. Or horses, for that matter, or dogs, or pigs.
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Sentient means they have the ability to feel. Any animal is sentient.
If you prick it and it bleeds, squeels or moves away, it is sentient.
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In the correct definition yes, sentience means the ability to SUFFER (not just feel pain, which is instinctual, but comprehend pain). It is commonly used, however, especially in animal rights terms, to mean ‘sapience’, which is a different concept.
Sorry I should have been more explicit in my original derision of the term.
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So, by your logic it follows that it’s ok to painfully kill and eat a baby, a person with Alzheimer’s or a brain injury, then? If a certain level of wisdom and self-awareness is required to be spared, you should have no ethical objection to this.
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Diana the Huntress, you’re rocking some Peter Singer right there!
You post the brilliantly considered responses I wish I had the energy to attempt.
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Food chain. Cannibalism is as alien to normal people as your line of thought of “let’s spare our food , poor food” ….
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Pretty sure the food chain was based on hunter-gatherer principles, not factory farming. Anyone who pulls that one out is guilty of massive logic fail.
“We do it because it’s natural!” Well, if that’s true, put your money where your mouth is and go hunt it yourself.
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“the food chain was based on hunter-gatherer principles, not factory farming. ”
This sentence makes no sense. Firstly you used the past tense as if you had magically deconstructed the food chain by not eating meat and it had ceased to exist …secondly , you use a strange argument . The food chain isn’t based on *how* animals acquire their food , but on *which food * is their option and *whose food* they are. We are somewhat in the middle of this chain; we are the pure carnivore ‘s food, and the pure herbivore’s prey, we do make exceptions by eating some omnivores since we invented fire and cooking their meat makes them safe for us. There is no logic fail on my part, just a case of you dozing off in primary school’s biology classes.
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Many plants can move away from pain. They also bleed if you cut it. Injured plants might not squeal vocally, but they do emit many signals when in distress, and nearby trees react to those signals.
They can even tell the difference between signals emitted by itself and signals emitted by genetic clones (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090619171244.htm). Is that not self-awareness?
You don’t mind about vegetables, because with plants your anthropomorphism collapses. They’re simply too foreign for you to image they have little people inside; even if they do all the things you just used to claim concern over animals.
Of course, they don’t have little people inside. They are not self-aware. The same way a toilet ‘knows’ when to stop filling up after being flushed, trees and some animals react to stimuli and programming.
What does the science say, and what stance should we take? Here’s my stab at that list:
Sapient species like humans, apes & chimpanzees, dolphins, parrots, octopuses: do not kill, do not own, and as much as possible, leave alone.
Non-sapient but highly intelligent species like pigs and dogs and cats: Where domesticated, owning is OK. Where not domesticated, leave alone as much as possible. We all agree that incorrect handling causes great distress. Eating? I guess this is the thin edge of the wedge – it could go either way. Obviously with dogs we go one way, pigs the other, but are they different ethically? (Disclaimer: I have eaten both)
Non-sapient, average intelligence like cattle, sheep and horses: Fine to domesticate and use for food. Treat humanely during life and kill quickly and privately with an awareness they can suffer emotionally as well as physically.
Non-sapient, no discernible intelligence – insects, fish, plants: Treat humanely, kill quickly. They can still suffer physically, but I’ve never given a thought to the emotional loss of a mosquitoes or carrot.
My stance is based on science (and I’d change it, if the science changes). Your stance is based on imagining the internal lives of sheep are similar to your own and how cuddly the being is (broccoli is not cuddly, so no sympathy there). Sure, it makes you feel good, but it doesn’t make you right. Your stance is a preferential choice, not a self-evident ethical stance.
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Two things: most animals humans consume have a central nervous system which makes it more clearly demonstrable they can feel pain. We have to eat something, and those us of us who try to eat consciously will go with what’s obvious.
Also, pigs are arguably more intelligent and emotionally complex than dogs. Pigs on average have a similar intelligence to that of a three-year-old child.
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And I thank you for your observation that I choose my diet based on how “cuddly” the specimen is. Obviously you know exactly my and every other vegan’s motivations and understanding. How…*clairvoyant* of you.
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On pigs first, exactly my point – this is definetly a grey area.
On pain, that is why we chose to minimise pain (I agree factory farming, especially that around the production of pet food, is not ethical).
And I apologise for the cuddly comment – it was a cheap shot.
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Idle dad: Science is a valuable tool but all to often maligned to justify self serving issues. You talk about it as if it dictates moral values but science never does that – it is about what is and not what ought to be. Your conclusions as to how to treat animals is fully contained within the realm of morality and ethics, not science. I’m sorta inclined to believe that if you lived in 1930′s Germany you would have agreed with their science of the time too in order to justify the furtherance of your own ends.
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Ha! You misunderstand my argument, and call me a nazi. Double fail.
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As I lie here sick in bed my gorgeous dog ( and I say ‘my’ in the same way I would say my child or my husband) he has not left my side and gives me cheeky licks every now and then, and probably only 50% of it is because he would like some of the soup I’m eating. Because we got him from a breeder ( very reputable and we went and met the parents) I have massive puppy guilt. So I give money aNd volunteer to many pet charities and wildlife associations. I will never regret my beautiful dog but I do regret the suffering that another dog may have gone through because we didn’t adopt a rescue dog
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Don’t feel guilty. I am the same as you. My next dog will be from a breeder much as I would like to rescue a dog. It’s because owning a dog is a big and long term commitment. I want to be able to train the dog to my way of doing things and also, with a breeder you have more chance of knowing what you are getting. I have allergies etc and want as much of a guarantee as possible that I am getting the right dog for me.
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Don’t feel bad. So long as your puppy didn’t come from a puppy farm or pet shop, do not feel bad. If we don’t support responsible licensed breeders then there won’t BE responsible and licensed breeders.
Any sensible rescue advocate understands the value of good breeders of any animals and will not vilify people who support them.
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Good to know I wasn’t the only one disturbed by the Rise of the Planet of the Apes and actually cheering on the Apes and not the humans.
I don’t disagree with the term ‘dog owner’ but I’ll tell you why I am not one. I live in apartment and it absolutely drives me crazy seeing animals locked up in an apartment all day. It’s just wrong.
As for eating and purchasing animal products I completely agree with the message here. Make a conscious thought about where the product came from, can you afford to spend a few more dollars and buy free-frange, ethical or organic? Can you spend a little more buying cosmetics or beauty products that are natural, animal product & testing free. Sometimes a mere $2 makes a world of difference to how the animal was treated.
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Please do your research carefully into “free range” and “ethical” animal products. It’s not as warm and fuzzy as well-meaning people think it is.
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More info please? I always buy free range is there something more I should know? Genuine question.
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Hi J, yes there is more you should know! ‘Free range’ labelling is very misleading and is self-regulated by the industry. The current industry definition of ‘free range’ is that the animals ‘have access to the outside environment’. Basically there are barns out there with thousands of chickens in them and one door at one end (their access to the outside) and their meat can be labelled ‘free range’ even if they’ve never seen the light of day or had the opportunity to dust bathe. The only truly reliable labelling in terms of ethical treatment is Australian Certified Organic or Biodynamic because in order to be certified organic those animals MUST have been able to practice their natural behaviours. All the information is out there, you just need to go and find it!
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thanks for your reply Claire. I don’t usually eat meat and don’t eat any red meat and very rarely chicken but for my children I always try to buy ethical meat such as organic mince and free range chicken, eggs etc. i will look into it and try to do more research. I have serious concerns about how animals are treated which is why I decided to stop eating meat myself. i will not force my choice onto my husband or children i believe that is their’s to make but will always try to give them the truthful facts if they ask (yes that lamb chop came from a lamb). One of my children has already decided she does not want to eat pork/ham/bacon as she likes pigs too much which is her choice. I believe that a lot of people choose to bury their head in the sand when it comes to meat and wouldn’t buy it if it didn’t come in perfect little plastic containers at the supermarket that doesn’t even resemble an animal. If you choose to eat meat you should think about the animal and how it was treated. All animals deserve to be treated with respect not just dogs.
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Free range eggs are often not what they are said to be. It’s sometimes a very unethical marketing tag used to seduce the ethical dollar. The rules on what can be said to be free range are changing. But it may be marginally better than buying non free range, at least for now. Better not to eat eggs at all, or grow your own. They are a cholesterol bomb.
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Free range cows/pigs still go to the same abattoirs as factory farmed animals. And, let me tell you, many of them are clearly aware of what is happening around them.
Organic milk still requires a baby be taken from his/her mother unweaned and then slaughtered for veal or raised to be another dairy cow. How do you think they continually produce milk? They’re kept having babies. And those babies don’t *get* that milk. The mothers and babies scream for each other when separated.
“Free range” chickens get a space roughly the size of a piece of A4 paper and are debeaked without anaesthetic.
No-one has to take our word for any of this. The information is out there, clearly documented.
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I used to feel the same about apartments and dogs but recently I have been able to spend some time with some amazing dog trainers at the local dog refuge and they feel the size of a pet’s home is usually a non issue (aside from the ‘working breeds’). Most dogs spend quite a large portion of their day sleeping so provided they get a good walk (at least 40min) a day space is not a big issue (provided they have access to somewhere to comfortably do their business like a courtyard). The trainers put more emphasis on issues with the dogs being alone all day or kept segregated from the owner/family (i.e. ‘outside-only’ dogs).
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Dude. Talking about how nice you are to dogs and teasing one with a cake in your picture? Doesn’t sit so great with me.
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Maybe she gave the dog the cake or a treat seconds after the photo was taken? Fair bit of judgement coming from someone who really has no idea what the circumstances behind this picture were…
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It might be a pupcake
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Ha ha – Sara, if you knew Soda (the dog in the picture) you’d know she has me wrapped around her little finger (or should that be paw?
) and if she wanted that cupcake it would have been hers! That photo was taken on my birthday when there were many cupcakes and pupcakes enjoyed in our household, so it was all good. I appreciate where you’re coming from though
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We made dogs.
Wolves are not soft creatures of rainbows and music. Wolves don’t live to find joy and love and connect to another wolf on a I-can-see-your-soul level. Wolves live to breed more wolves. If a wolf mother is hungry, she eats her pups.
Dogs are pleasant because we made them into pleasant creatures via selective breeding. When you take away the immediacy of nature’s tooth and claw, yup, they’re “better” creatures. Without you, it has a very high chance of starving to death, or ‘becoming feral and very, very dangerous.
The relationship between you and your dog is possible ONLY because you domesticated and are its master. Why deny that relationship?
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Spot on. And from experience, the animals (and children!) with behavioural problems generally have them stem having owners who do not assert their dominance. Singing kumbaya and making friendship bracelets for your dog or horse is going to do sweet f all because these animals do not have the highly evolved frontal lobe that humans do. They can’t reason the way we do. Everything comes from instinct- action and reaction, pressure and release. When you understand that, you understand the need these animals have for a dominant pack master. It’s really simple animal behavioural science.
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Couldn’t agree with your sentiments more, ID.
Why deny the relationship that you have with your dog ?
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Hi Idle Dad, Really good point. As I commented below, since dogs are domesticated we have no choice than to be their owners as such and have a responsibility to care for them.
For me discussing the term ‘owner’ was a way to discuss my personal uneasiness with the thought of any animal being reduced to a ‘thing’ or possession. I’m glad it’s brought about some great discussion!
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The fact that dogs and cats (and most other domesticated animals) are not native to this country means that they are required by law to be ‘owned’, otherwise we would not be able to have these wonderful creatures as part of our lives. The term ‘owner’ should provoke the idea of responsibility including the positive and sometimes negative aspects of choosing to have an animal in your life.
That said, appreciating the animals who have given for us to receive goods and services is an important lesson all should think about
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This comment has put into words exactly what I was thinking
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I agree with the point that we should all be more grateful when we use any animal products, but – and I’m sure I’ll get blasted by all the people with pets on here – this is why I simply can’t get my head around the concept of domesticating cats and dogs, etc.
I don’t intend to attack the author, but I have an issue with the idea that not feeling like you ‘own’ your dog means that you don’t.
You may say you don’t ‘own’ your dog and that he ‘deserves a life as fulfilled as yours and mine’, but when you decide to live with a dog, you control his entire life and its quality.
Presumably, you neuter him and deprive him of his primal urge to procreate which, from what I’ve seen, seems very distressing for the animal.
Most often, you separate the animal from his parents and siblings.
Unless you live on a large estate, you decide when he gets to go for walks – and no matter how devoted you are, it can’t be anywhere near as often as the animal would like, let’s be honest.
And you decide when to euthanise the animal, when you think they’ve had enough suffering or (and I’ve seen this happen), the vet bills to keep your ailing pet alive just aren’t worth it anymore.
I’m not saying not to neuter your pet – I’m saying, if you love animals, why have a pet at all?
My friends think I’m not an animal lover because I refuse to get a dog or cat, but in fact, the birds that hang out in the trees in my backyard bring me endless joy. When I’m snorkelling, I marvel at the fish I see in a way that an aquarium doesn’t inspire in me. And I’d much rather visit a national park and watch mammals in their natural habitat than sit and watch TV with one on my lap.
I love animals when they’re free to be animals, not when they’re forced to become a (subordinate) part of your human family.
Sorry – I know it’s an unpopular opinion but I just don’t get the concept of pets.
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And there is also the part about owning carnivorous animals as pets and the meat that they eat every day. Another animal is suffering to keep your pet alive. I know that dogs and cats can suvive on a vegan diet, but really? That’s not the way it’s meant to be….
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Yes, the article starts as semantics about the word owner (just try that on with the council! License? But I’m not the dog’s “owner”!), and she admits that it is a contradiction between wanting the best for her animal and curtailing its freedom (and, presumably, between loving it and neutering it).
But isn’t the point of the article a request to simply reflect on the impact animals have in our lives, and thank them for it? There is no call to give up animals (unlike in the comments, where this will degrade into a vegan versus the rest of us war).
The article is a request to try our best with the contradiction – cause the least harm, because our relationship with animals is real (and with dogs, is over 35,000 years old, so hardly ‘unnatural’) but can often be improved.
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Hi, I just want to start out by saying that I respect your opinion and I understand how you feel. Just something I want to point out is that I feel you could be underestimating the benefit that animals get out of their relationships with humans. Our family has 3 dogs and 2 cats and horses. They are loved and well very well cared for. But there is one thing we can do for them that they can’t do for themselves – medical care. I’ve spent time in Africa – I’ve seen what happens to vulnerable animals in the wild. I have pet insurance so whatever veterinary care they need they get. This is something they can’t do for themselves. Also, while I can’t possibly know what’s going through their minds – our animals have always seemed pretty happy to spend time with us. My 11 year old Dalmatian who is currently sitting in his basket in front of the fire, warm with a full tummy and feeling no pain from his arthritis thanks to the lovely drugs I give him with his breakfast seems okay with our arrangement.
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Thanks to the commenters above. It’s a good conversation.
I hope I didn’t come across as sounding judgemental of pet owners – like all the people who battle with the line between animal and meat, I am not trying to draw the line for someone else – but for myself personally, the reasons I listed above are why I am not a dog owner. I just don’t feel I can reconcile the ‘love/ownership’ issue.
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I agree and if the day ever comes that all ‘pets’ are desexed and all ‘owners’ licensed then I will never have a cat or dog again. In the meantime, I have 2 cats and 2 dogs because if they did not live with me they would be dead or leading very sad lives. I will give animals a home because of all the irresponsible people out there letting their pets breed.
Having said that, I love my furkids and I love that they are happy and cared for. The cycle stop with them though, they will never breed.
I don’t think I’m being very articulate today but you know what I mean
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So what do you do?
I want to be respectful, because you were polite in your comment. But I have to ask, what do you do for animals who are already in this world? What do you do for dogs at the pound on death row, for the thousands of kittens who are euthanised each year, for the cats who nobody cares about, for the horses who are shipped to the knackery by the truckload from big business studs? What do you do?
Me? I go and help out at a shelter. I foster litters of kittens to get them out of the pound. I buy medications to keep my 15 year old dog happy and healthy. I pay thousands of dollars to keep my 11 year old dog with screwed up legs sound and mobile. I get up at 5am each morning to make sure my horses are fed and watered for the day. I pay about $100 a week on hard feed for my toothless 30 year old horse. I give them medical attention immediately whenever its needed. I devote my life to them. And when it’s time I give them a dignified ending with respect, I don’t let them suffer.
And you say I am not an animal lover?
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Hi Anon this time – don’t fear persecution! I think you make a really valid point. I’ve often thought of pets as you have above and wondered about a world where they had not been domesticated at all.
When I’ve grappled with this, I’ve come to the point of accepting the world we currently live in has domesticated animals who now require us to look after them and we must do so with respect. I do agree that seeing animals in their natural habitat is overwhelming powerful.
I think the main thing is for those of us who care about animals to respect and care for them the best ways we know how and to do so collectively. Thanks for the comment!
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Oh my gosh, the beagle video is incredible. I am bawling my eyes out.
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It gets me every time Jaz x
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I clicked through to Serena’s blog…love it! It is true that the opinion that animals are neither objects nor ingredients is a perspective that people find challenging and even subversive. Thanks for making people think today
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Aw thanks so much mcm!! You’re very welcome
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That’s why I’m a vegetarian. No one who eats animals can call themselves an animal lover.
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I love my dogs so much. I would never eat them. That is what clicked for me to give up meat. Just wasn’t an option!
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Not everything is black and white, I eat meat but I absolutely love animals I’m not perfect and neither are you. You have no right to decide who does or does not love animals
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I eat meat but I absolutely love animals I’m not perfect and neither are you.
So you love aminals but don’t mind them getting stunned and having their throat cut so that you can have a lamb chop.
No I’m far from being a perfect person but I’m not a hypocrite who sprouts how much they love animals and then ignores the intensive livestock raising and killing methods that serve to keep people in meat.
You can’t love animals but then allow thousands of them to be killed in order to provide meat for human consumption
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What about killed in order for you to eat eggs and dairy?
Please see my comment below…
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Agreed. “Ethical vegetarianism” is perplexing. You do know there’s as much cruelty and death involved in egg and dairy farming, right?
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It’s not about trying to be perfect, or high and mighty or judgmental, it’s a simple fact, if you claim to love animals, how can you eat them when the industry is guilty of torturing animals to get them on your plate? I am also vegan, I don’t judge people’s choices to eat animals, but I don’t think you can claim to love animals and also support the brutal treatment of them on a day to day basis, while there are other choices. Then to go on about leather, etc etc, is a juvenile argument (I don;t use leather either, btw). If someone is making an effort to ease suffering, any effort, this should be encouraged. It is most likely that they will eventually do more for the cause. Imperfection should motivate people to become better, not towards apathy. If you are really someone who says they love animals, then you know deep down that what you are doing is wrong. This jumping up and down with ridiculous arguments is just you trying to make yourself feel better. Admit it! I know this because I haven’t always been vegan and used to say the same things. I am no saint now, just because I am vegan, and I am not trying to say I am.
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I can’t begin to tell you how much I disagree with this comment.
Are you a vegan? Do you wear leather shoes? Use only skin care products that are from natural sources? Etc etc.
It must be nice sitting up there on that high horse but comments that judge like this are not helpful to your cause.
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Are you a vegan? Do you wear leather shoes? Use only skin care products that are from natural sources? Etc etc.
Yes as a matter of fact I am…have been for 24 years.
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Then instead of judging people take the time to educate people.
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She wouldn’t be sitting on her high horse because that could be considered cruel.
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catgirl, almost every single *cat* I’ve ever lived with has hunted, killed and eaten animals.
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I noticed you said “vegetarian” and not “vegan”… so presumably eating eggs and dairy products is okay with you then??
Dairy cows are impregnated regularly to ensure they maintain their milk supply – and their calves are taken and eaten/destroyed.
Even free range eggs are from hens whose male brothers were detroyed at birth – deemed unnecessary due to their sex being ‘wrong’. And if/once they are not good egg layers they are destroyed – usually at 2-3 years.
I am an omnivore (who eats vegetables and meat), loves animals and often feels guilty about their treatment.
But at least I’m not pretending to be perfect.
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No I don’t have dairy products and I don’t buy eggs from the store. I will admit to at times swallowing antibiodics that come in a gelatine based capsule because I have no choice. But apart from that I don’t touch gelatine.
I have also had my children vacinated and sometimes there has been eggs used to the process to make the vacine, I only know that because as part of the vacinatin process I was asked if my children were allergic to eggs and I had to say that I had no idea. So they had a egg allergy skin test prior to the vacination. Don’t ask me now what vacination that was because i can no longer remember.
So I can’t honestly say that I or my family have had no animal products for the past 24 years because of gelatine and eggs/vacine issue.
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And what do you think those antibiotics and vaccinations were tested on before human trials?
Did you know they use pig carcasses in car crash tests? Do you drive a car?
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I know nothing about you Catgirl so im trying really hard not to judge you the way you judge anyone who eats meat but your making it really hard I’ve gotta say! Also what about people who eat livestock they’ve reared themselves and do everything humanely? What is your oppinion on that?
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Oh catgirl, get off your high horse. Of course you can be carnivorous and love animals. And anyone who really cared about songbirds and small animals wouldn’t own a cat.
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I’m not speaking for Catgirl – just myself – but it really annoys me when people make statements like that about cats. I have a gorgeous cat who is an indoor cat (except when she’s taken for a walk outside on her lead) and she has never ever harmed a bird or other small animal. There was one slightly traumatic incident though when she chased and proceeded to catch a Christmas beetle inside the house and my six year old started screaming ‘Mummy do something, she’s killing Christmas!’
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Agree with Kate. I own a perfectly happy, fit, rambunctious Tonkinese who has never been outside in her 8 years of life. No birds or marsupials harmed at my house.
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that’s because they’re serving time . Release them for a week and witness their wrath LOL
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Kate, that’s why I said “almost every single cat I’ve ever lived with” – I know it might be different for other people and other cats.
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Catgirl, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Do you know how many ‘innocent’ animals die to produce the grain and vegetables that sustain you? Or do rats, birds and insects not matter?
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Head lice have a right to life!
(unless in this household).
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Rats, birds and insects do matter, which is another reason to eat grain and vegetables since it results in far fewer deaths than eating a similar amount of meat, meat from an animal that was, on average, fed far more grain to produce a comparable meal than if we just ate the grain ourselves.
Also, those deaths are incidental and not intentional. There’s a big difference. By improving methods and systems of growing vegetables we can work to reduce the harm caused to animals, there is no way to work to reduce the deaths of animals produced for meat.
We build roads which we know will result in some people dying in car crashes, but we don’t stop building roads, we work to reduce the road toll through car safety and road rules. And the fact that we keep intentionally building roads knowing that it will cause some incidental deaths is not comparable to intentionally killing a person. Similarly, eating vegetables which resulted in some incidental animal deaths is not comparable to intentionally killing an animal (or having someone else kill it for you) so you can eat it.
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Thank you Serena for so concisely putting what I struggle to put into words!! I think, as the dominant species on this planet, we have forgotten that it is not our RIGHT to exploit animals for our own gain, but our RESPONSIBILITY to protect them!
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And remember, when you buy unsustainably priced food, someone, somewhere has to pay the price. That someone might just be an animal.
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It’s not just cheap food. It’s expensive food and clothes as well. Just beacuse something costs a lot of money, it is no indication that the suppliers and producers and labourers have been properly paid. Look at Country Road, Nike and Apple.
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True, but if you don’t pay at least for the true cost of the food, you are guaranteed to pressure on standards.
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Very true words Marian.
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“They were waiting to be, but they forgot. Now they see sky, and they remember what they are.” – River Tam (Firefly)
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Hello fellow BrownCoat!
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I love Firefly ♥
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