By JOHN JAMES
When I was in my early twenties I would regularly visit brothels or use the services of escorts. I was first encouraged to visit sex workers by a female friend of mine. She knew I was going through a dry period and one of her friends was a sex worker. My friend thought it was sensible for a guy like me, who was shy and crap at picking-up women, to visit sex workers in between being relationships.
My first visit to a brothel was scary. You may think it’s easy to walk into a brothel and ask for sex but it was one of the most intimidating things I have ever had to face. Having worked up enough courage to ring the front doorbell (and realising why many men need dutch-courage to do this) and all the time hoping no one I knew would happen to walk past and see me, I was let inside by the resident Madam.
Then I was confronted by a new level of intimidation – the line-up. Not all brothels are the same but the one I chose that day used the ‘line-up method’ to introduce clients to the sex workers. All the available girls, dressed in their sexy outfits and stilettos, lined up in front of me and I was expected to choose who I wanted to have sex with. I think I panicked and simply chose the first one who came out but by luck or chance, she proved to be a good choice. She took me to a room and seeing how nervous I was, she offered me some words of encouragement and helped me relax. Until the “inspection”.
The inspection involves you dropping your dacks in front of the sex worker, who, with the aid of a lamp, inspects your genitals for signs of STDs. If you have never done this, you have no idea how humiliating this can feel…it certainly isn’t sexy. But on the other hand, it was good to know that they take precautions to try and stop the spread of STIs. Seeing I was OK, she took my money and left me to have a shower. The sex came next.
I took two things away from the first experience of using a sex worker. Firstly, I was really impressed with how professional she was. She knew how to relax me, she knew how to arouse me and she knew how to make the experience pleasurable – sexually and emotionally. Secondly, I was surprised how good I felt for days afterwards. It wasn’t just the sexual relief, it was also the boost to my self-esteem that made me feel good. I hadn’t been expecting that. I had always assumed that visiting a prostitute would be degrading for both the client and the sex worker. The opposite was true.
However, one thing I discovered early on, was that not all brothels are equal. Subsequent visits to other brothels exposed me to the seedier side of the business. I even walked out of a few establishments once I realised that the girls working there were not happy, or were clearly drug-affected. You could tell. The dead eyes, the disinterested demeanour. Just the vibe in some places felt wrong. Everything that critics of the sex industry claim about the victimisation of sex workers is true. I’ve seen it first hand.
On the other hand, I’ve also seen what supporters of the industry say about sex workers. I was lucky enough to find a couple of establishments where both the sex workers and the clients are treated with respect. Believe me, you can tell the difference. Once I found these establishments, I never went anywhere else. The girls were friendly and engaged. Sure, they still brought their “game-face” to the proceedings – while you were with them, they pretended you were the only man in the world – but I’m a curious fellow and when I would openly and honestly ask them about their profession, the “game-face” would be put away and they spoke to me as a person, not a client.
I learned a lot about the industry from the three or four sex workers I saw on a regular basis. I learned that they felt lucky to be working in an establishment that respected them and didn’t use or abuse them. They also told me horror stories of some of the other places they had worked at. They explained that, when given a safe environment to work in, that sex work can be both profitable and empowering. None of them felt like victims.
One girl was working her way through university. Another would work for 6 months a year and then use the proceeds to travel through south-east Asia for the next 6 months. There was another, who was a housewife with a husband (who knew) and kids (who didn’t). To her, the sex was a job just like any other. It helped her pay her bills. And there was an older worker I saw who said that she kept doing it simply because she enjoyed it. I believed her.
It does worry me that the two brothels I used to like to visit no longer exist but some of the seedy brothels I walked out of do. Perhaps other boutique brothels that offer good working conditions have replaced the ones I knew about 20 years ago. I hope so.
I think we should be educating young men about the sex industry. Instead of treating people who pay for sex as desperate losers, let’s be honest with our young men. There is a chance that your son or younger male relative, may at some point in their lives seek the services of a sex worker.
Let’s educate our young men to respect women who choose to become sex workers. Let’s encourage our men to be discerning and choose to only spend their money in establishments that treat their workers and clients with respect. And let’s teach them how to recognise these establishments.
If we keep ignoring this subject, men will continue to visit and support establishments that do not treat their workers or clients with respect. If we can’t openly talk about the role of sex workers in our society without resorting to ridicule and prejudice, women will continue to be used and abused.
We need to both acknowledge the validity of sex work as a career choice but also condemn the people who take advantage of women who enter the sex industry, not through choice, but circumstance.
John is a writer by trade, a frustrated rock star in his spare time, a social media junkie and a committed atheist.
This post was originally run on KiKi & Tea.








311 Comments so far
Hoping someone who has been or is in the profession can answer this. (It may sound a little judgmental, not of sex workers but of ‘stereotypical’ clientele so apologies in advance if so).
How would one deal with an unappealing client, e.g. when picked from a line up or sent on call? Do you just kind of suck it up and deal with it? (no horrible pun intended)
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I am still very disturbed by many of the comments that are being posted in response to this article.
I want to encourage people to think objectively about what it is that makes them see sex workers so negatively. There is a lot of repetition of it being because it’s about sex and “putting penises in vaginas”. Why is sex such a scary thing? Sex work is about sex, and sex is about pleasure. Sex work isn’t about violence, or murder, or guns, or causing others harm. What is it about consensual sex that makes someone “lack moral fibre”? How can having sex make someone so bad?
I ask these questions because I am truly
fascinated to know how a person could hurl such vicious, cruel, judgmental words around – all the while, speaking of pride and self-esteem (the irony is not lost!). The craziest part of this is that virtually everyone who is throwing around all this venomous hatred has zero experience in the industry. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but what good is an opinion that is not based on facts, only on ignorance? You don’t have to agree with what I do for a living, but comments about my lack of integrity, my employability, my value as a person, etc etc etc, are out of line and come from nowhere but your own hatred. I know this industry can be a threatening topic, especially for women. But please, try to hear the voices of sex workers who can educate you on lots of aspects of the work. And if you can’t, try to rise above your own anger and at the very least show kindness to and respect for your fellow human beings.
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LaraB, I really do get what you are saying, I do. You rightly so have to justify the decision you made to be a prostitute. And I can see how being in the industry you would be surrounded by people who would help to validate your choice. But beyond the sanctity of the industry you are in, the perceptions of the wider community are reflected in a lot of these comments. I’m not sure there is a lot of anger driving the conversation, I think there is a lot of frustration in reading the sex workers justifying their choice and trying to convince everyone that they are empowered.
When a man wants to pay you to have sex with him and you allow that, you are giving away a part of you that for most women is quite a sacred part of themselves, reserved for a man of their choosing when mutual attraction and respect collide. So it is very hard coming from that place to imagine how circumstances and choices in your life bring you to a point where you would allow a man to pay to have sex with you.
You are certainly entitled to make the choice to be a prostitute but understand that the choice will define you. Just as choosing to be a Doctor says that they are intelligent, dedicated, respectable, honourable and ethical. All fantastic attributes that most of us strive to achieve in our lives.
How you could choose to not aspire to such attributes in your life is your choice but don’t ask us for respect and don’t expect us to believe that you posses this girl power empowerment. It’s a false economy.
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Thanks Kristine for your reply. However, I feel my questions remain unanswered, and you have simply repeated some of your previous points. I still don’t know what it is about sex that is such an issue for you. Sex may be a sacred thing for you, but for me, it isn’t. I remain in the dark as to how this makes me or my choices bad?
The perception of the wider community is something I am painfully aware of. However, just because it is a widely held perception doesn’t make it correct.
As for being empowered, I reserve the right to be the expert on my own life. It is not for anyone else to tell me who I am. I know I am an empowered woman. People who try to tell me that I am too silly to know my own life and circumstances can be a disempowering factor, if I let them.
I am intelligent, honourable, ethical, dedicated and respectable. You have virtually no information about me to make a decision otherwise – apart from my posts which I believe demonstrate those very qualities, and my job. How can you justify making such a judgment without ever having met me?? That is what seems to be odd to me.
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LaraB, my opinions are not personally directed at you, they are thoughts directed at the sex industry and its workers at large. Of course there are going to be exceptions to the rule – there always is – if you are that exception and you are truly at one with your choice, have your confidence and self esteem in check and are ok with stating your career choice when that comes up then great for you. Are you ok with how your choices now will affect your life later down the track when your priorities change? Will you be ok with your choice when your children ask about your past? If you do have children and you have a girl who is looking for her mother to be a role model, will you be ok to stand by your choices then?
I think these are questions that someone in your position would have asked of themselves as they made the decision to become a sex worker.
To answer your question about sex – I don’t have any problem with sex at all. I believe I am very sexually aware, I’ve been adventurous, I’ve never had a one night stand though because I don’t believe you would get a worthy connection with someone in that short amount of time and my experience having seen my friends do this, is that they are left feeling quite bad about their experience. I have never heard anyone say that they’ve had a one night stand and it was so incredible that it blew their mind. I have taken lovers. Sometimes several at a time (but not all at once). I’ve always believed my sexuality was a powerful personal possession that is revealed to partners with whom I’ve worked up a genuine connection.
The decisions I make about my life take into account how my children will know and perceive me. I want to have a reputation in the community for being respectable. That is very important to me and I think about the choice you must make to sacrifice these principals that are so important in my world. I imagine that I would have to be in the most dark and desperate state to ever consider that. Even then, I know I would not do it.
If your reputation doesn’t matter to you then that’s your choice but I think you need to understand that you will always be judged poorly by society. There are so many options you could have taken but you chose a profession that totally polarises opinion.
You live in a very different world to me. I guess when they collide like this, you get a heated debate.
I hope you can understand where I am coming from. LaraB, I wish you well with your life and I hope you continue to be strong and intelligent about your choice. I think you have the attributes that I imagine would need to survive the sex industry.
Love and light.
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Thank you very much Kristine, for taking the time to reply to me.
I do understand where you are coming from. I don’t have children and don’t want them in the future, so that isn’t something I can comment on. I am happy with my choices and am confident in my ability to handle myself in the face of any negativity in my future. The funny thing is, usually once people meet me and get over the shock of having a sex worker standing in front of them, they realise that I am a person just like them and they often grow to like me – and if they don’t like me, nearly everyone tells me they respect my honesty and authenticity, even if they don’t agree with my work. Most people are not as nasty in real life when they actually meet a sex worker as they are online, thankfully!
I think it is possible for a sex worker to have a good reputation – I believe I do, but reputation is in the eye of the beholder I suppose so there will be people who look down on you and I both! As long as we adhere to our own values and do our best in our lives, we won’t need to worry about their opinions
Thank you for your well wishes and your respectful comments and acknowledgement. I wish you well too, and respect your intelligent post above.
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Lara B.. What is so bad about having sex , nothing if you are in love or mutually attracted to someone. However having to pay someone to have sex with you is seedy and dirty. How you could think that it is respect earned by performing sex acts with a man you may not even like is beyond me. Sorry for your choice of profession, but I would have respect for you if you used your mind which you seem to have a good one and used it to your advantage, instead of selling your body for some cash. Its a sad environment that I hope you get out of sooner than later. A woman with too much mileage on her makes her haggered and age before her time. Have a think about it.
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Again, this focus on sex having to be only in the context of love. There are many people who do not subscribe to this belief system. I’m still wondering though, what is it about the provision of a sexual service that is seedy, dirty and sad? Obviously I use my brain constantly in the course of my work, but what is dirty or sad about me also using my body to earn a living? If I was a builder, I’d be doing the same thing. I am honestly really interested in why people feel this way. I keep reading the same comments, but nobody has actually backed up their prejudices with an explanation. Can you explain yours please?
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You lost me Lara B. How is being a builder the same as a prostitute? .
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In that, like many jobs that require physical labour, the use of one’s body is involved in the work. I’m wondering why, if I choose to use my body in the way that I do, this creates such an issue.
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I guess I don’t find my clients “dirty”. All of them are professionals who are not social misfits, and who are accepted by their community. And I’m turning 34 this week, so they are men who are aroused by women, not young girls
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As my brother said, why pay for it when you can get it for free.
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There’s no such thing as free sex. Everything has a cost. It’s not just about money.
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Nat, the clients are expected to shower and are therefore not dirrty or smelly. I’m 46, so any client I have ever seen is certainly not into little girls! Some guys have been recently divorced or widowed, and want company, too.
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You’re calling another poster an unfortunate woman? How dare you?
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I grew up in an environment where prostitution was around me and I know prostitutes very well and I loved to be with them and they certainly with me for I was honest and open and excepting them as they were-but never engaged in sexual activity with them-because it would go against my instinct as a healthy man to approach them in that narrow context.
Why should someone who thinks it is for women undignified to present themselves as a tool to be physically and psychologically used in a cold manner by every stranger for a dollar or two, would hate prostitution and is sexually not enlightened? Basic female dignity is in question here. Sex without intimacy, inner relatedness…how can you feed – feel- that? No need for prostitution-this ancient barbarism- in a modern western society -where women have many more and valuable opportunities to make money-to feel valuable…Many reasons to defend the pros for it are not valid when one put to the foreground the dignity of women in this matter.
An aspect ..many men enjoy to have power over women this way. They cannot relate-don’t do there best for-need to learn to and meet women on a higher level-see them as not much more than flesh; and lots of prostitutes enjoy this profession because it gives them a feeling of empowerment-read value- over these guys which is a paradox and totally sad. But why keep up this job -feed this attitude and perception of women-and hinder these men to become more mature and value women as decent healthy men are able to?
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Thank you so much Maurillio for taking the time to attempt to explain your position to me. It is great to hear that you have known sex workers in your life whom you have enjoyed the company of and, it seems, respected.
I have two questions for you – with regard to basic female dignity, as you mentioned, I wonder, would it be different if I were a male sex worker? Society sees male sexuality as very different to women’s, and men are usually not expected to be chaste and place such high value on the sanctity of sex as women are. If you would see it differently, why?
Secondly, why do you say that the clients of sex workers are not healthy or decent? If a client values me as a person, and sees me as more than “flesh”, and genuinely likes who I am, does that make a difference to that opinion?
I’m actually in the middle of doing an assignment on stigma around sex work, so this is really interesting for me
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After reading all your posts Lara B, I have come to the conclusion that you are not in fact a prostitute. I think you are here to stir the pot. Good for you though, you have created more hits for it.
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I have been a sex worker for eleven years, and am passionate about the rights of sex workers. I am also fascinated as to how people come to the conclusions that they do about my work, and as it is usually a result of misconception and ignorance, I want to try to educate people about who we really are and show them that there is a different side to what they see. It’s also important to humanise sex workers. When groups of people are allowed to be dehumanised, it can be very dangerous and damaging.
And stirring the pot? Pot, kettle, Anonymous
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Yes yes lets educate men to respect women who enter this industry. That day will never come JJ because men dont respect that type of woman. Woman who exchange money for sex WILL NEVER BE RESPECTED. It is gross, dirty and seedy. NO MAN respects that type of woman . You will never win the fight.
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I think its gutter too. Eww to any man who shamefully visits these pitiful women and eww to women who choose to sell themselves short and enter this seedy industry. What a sad life for both parties.
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If you don’t care – don’t read. Simple
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Yes thats a great idea I can choose to be ignorant so you dont have to hear my opinion
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all I’m hearing is white noise. People SHOUTING their opinions make me just tune out. and write something worth reading anonymous. while you’re at it ,change the record, it’s getting monotonous . ( this is my opinion)
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SophiaP – I think you are responding to my post? I’m not certain as it wasn’t linked but seemed to infer some of my points.
I don’t think you could compare yourself to a “professional shrink” as that professional has studied for many years to earn themselves a degree and learned their craft. Your suggestion that prostitutes help solve emotional problems for their clients that their wives or girlfriends can’t is pretty hilarious – I hope your advice is that they should start by stopping going to prostitutes behind their partners back!
Men in this position are shady and whichever way you look at it, you work in a shady industry that is based on a very loose moral code with lax professionalism.
I am speaking from a position of knowing a well-known madam who is a part of my extended family. We debate this argument often.
I am sure there are a very small number of prostitutes working in the industry who are truly there because they have made a conscious effort to make the work a professional craft and perhaps feel empowered by that choice. Knowing that following this path may fee ok for now but will most likely leave enduring emotional scars that will surface down the track – I’m sure they have accounted for that possibility as how could you not?
But, I stand by my original opinion that the majority of women who work in this industry do so because they don’t have the resources and skills to earn the equivalent money elsewhere. Making that choice does not earn respect as every woman born in this country has an enormous amount of opportunity so their really aren’t many excuses for not applying yourself to something that will make you feel good about yourself and empowered. I think a woman who chooses to earn money this way limits her future opportunities – I think they create a whole lot of problems for themselves in future long term relationships, I think they would be haunted by certain memories and I think they would harbour a very secretive part of their lives forever – none of that is healthy for you. So why would you make the choice to be a prostitute? I really do imagine that it’s a decision that will most likely end in a whole lot of tears.
There is no way I would hire an employee who has chosen this path – not unless they could demonstrate that they had made huge strides forward to put that in their rear view mirror. What it says about a person is that they lack moral fibre, have a low self esteem, trust would be an issue (telling lies would go with the territory), has a questionable work ethic and could quite likely come with emotional baggage that would permeate the team culture.
I’m sure the people on here that are sex workers will be enraged at these thoughts but it is the honest truth. You have mostly stated that you feel empowered in what you do and I think that statement is a convenient argument to deal with the reality of your situation. If you look at the choices you made in your life to get you here, I think you’ll find poor judgement has played a part.
Self respect and pride seem to be two important character traits that are very undervalued in the sex industry but very important in the world at large.
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It is so hard to earn respect, but it can be lost in the blink of an eye and very rare to get it back once you have dabbled in this industry. You do the crime , you do the time. Sad but the truth.
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Good on you John for writing this brave article. It’s good to see a different perspective on this issue. You’re right, if we can open it for discussion, perhaps we can move past the stigmas and make it safer for all. It still bothers me that margenelized people can end up on the streets and be taken advantage of. And I’d like to see things change in that area. Also less judgement, hey?
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II love the line up. I love winning and have this strange man choose me, I love checking this strange man for STD’s, I love having men strange men touch me, men I have never met before, men who in most instances nobody else wants to have sex with so they come to me. I love feeling empowered. I love feeling superior . I love that I am not attracted to these men, but I love having to suck on their penis, I love their hands on my breasts and buttock. I love the penetration of a man who’s name and face I dont know. Maybe if I say it so often I may really believe it.
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I love that that you had the guts to post anonymously. Go you.
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We are all anonymous on this post ….. Plus I work in the industry and am not too proud to tell people who I am. I am just getting my head around it myself and convincing myself that I am empowered and happy to suck and be prodded.
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Anon, your post made me incredibly sad. Your feelings are valid, so don’t try to convince yourself that you feel empowered if you don’t. Could you be doing something else for work? You deserve to be happy.
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anonymous is having a go at these people and hasn’t stopped ever since the article was posted. (this is my opinion )
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I love how some people who really have no idea what goes on, how these women feel, why they’re doing it, etc etc etc, can sit on really high horses and judge, judge, judge.
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I understand why sex work can be the only option for women who are in desperate need of a large sum of money right now in order to survive/help their children survive. But ‘paying off university bills’? Surely in a wealthy country like Australia there are several options to help you do this (i.e. HECS, a reputable JOB…). There is no reason to resort to prostitution! And also, if you are a university student, chances are you aim to maintain an esteemed career that does not involve prostitution. Wouldn’t you be wary of your past experiences in the sex industry? Because I’m sure that it could easily come back to haunt you and ruin your reputation. Prostitution as a quick and easy fix for money is not worth it.
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Why is prostitution a disreputable job?
No-one’s asking you to do it, and if you wouldn’t like to, you don’t have to. But that shouldn’t stop those that are comfortable with it doing it if they feel OK about it.
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In response to Kris: I accept that prostitution will always exist and everybody should be treated in a respectful manner. But there is social stigma that will forever attached to prostitution and whether you like it or not, it will never be considered ‘respectable’. I understand the survival factor (to pay for food, water, electricity, etc) to choose prostitution, but in my opinion, using it as a quick fix for university bills is not only lazy but dangerous.
We are so lucky to live in a country like Australia where there are so many opportunities to hold an honest job; one that is reputable and that you can proudly write down on a resume. Would you honestly document your experiences in prostitution on your resume? I think not, therefore, it is a disreputable job choice. Although the large and fast sums of money could benefit a university student in the short term, it’s a small world and word would eventually get out that you worked in the sex industry. Imagine if you had worked so hard in university to become a teacher. It would ruin your reputation and career for life. The quick and easy money that a student can gain from sex work is not worth the lifelong damage and consequences.
Also, I was raised (and hope that children will continue to be raised) with a strong work ethic and morality regarding money. If you want to earn a living, you have to work hard in a reputable and honest job (whether it is sweeping the floor at McDonald’s or directing a company as a CEO). You do not accept money for something that you would be ashamed to have revealed; for instance, being paid to expose others’ private secrets and illegal activity. I believe that prostitution is exploitation; exploiting both the worker and client. It is a very shady business.
Prostitutes deserve to feel safe and comfortable within their working conditions, but by no means will it ever be a reputable career CHOICE.
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But you’re only adding to it being disreputable.
Why do you think prostitutes don’t have a strong work ethic? Just because it’s not a job choice you could make, why do you think they don’t work hard for their money too?
I think it’d be very hard work.
People obviously have different tolerances and morals, and people are happy to be paid to expose others’ secrets, or to do illegal activities.
It’s your belief (your words) that prostitution is exploitation and shady. Many people would agree, but many would disagree.
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Sex is the most intimate act that can occur between two bodies. It should be based on physical response, not monetary. You should not pay/be paid for it. End of story.
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Why is it so hard for you to cop that others don’t feel that way about sex though?
There have been articles on here about people in marriages using sex as a bargaining chip. What’s your take on that?
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Kris 2040… I think it all has to do with our morals and values. That is why we are different. Some choose to have kids outside marriage, some choose to sleep with married men, some choose to have sex for money. Our values define us and in the end is what gives us the respect from others and respect for ourselves. Without respect we are not much.
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Feel however you want about sex. But it should be done because of physical reaction, not as an attempt to get some power or leverage. Why is it so hard for you to understand that we have biologically developed to desire sex from a physical response (such as arousal), not a calculated decision “hmmmm… I want some money… therefore, I want sex!!”
If you have sex purely because you want power/leverage of some sort, then that’s just sad and desperate. I wish you some serious luck, because money/power cannot buy you any of the arousal, desire, attraction or love that is necessary for a healthy and gratifying sexual life.
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i really agree with this statement. i think this debate is great but its like anything thats controversial. the minority is the minority. its like no one wants to be preached to about scientology or why theyre children will go to hell or anything else they really dont agree with. opinion is opinion and everyone is entitled to it. but it should never be forced. i feel like larab is a vegan preaching to a whole bunch of meat eaters here. if she is so passionate about her work why does she feel she needs to change all our opinions? i dont agree with many things my friends or family do/eat/purchase/think but im not going to nag at them with reasons why theyre wrong. i believe in activism and raising awareness but some people just have different values. and when its the minority, just leave it perhaps and carry on?
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Here here! Prostitution = dishonest/dangerous living
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What’s dishonest about offering a service in exchange for money?
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Interesting article, but prostitution remains something I don’t think I’ll ever really understand.
Moral arguments aside, how is transactional sex actually enjoyable? 9 times out of 10 you’d be having sex with a woman who wouldn’t choose to have sex with you minus the payment, so her “enjoyment” is feigned. How is that a turn on? How does that qualify as a “good sexual experience”?
Secondly, I don’t get the “some guys are lonely and need the intimacy” argument. I can’t imagine anything less intimate and more soul-destroying than having to pay somebody to spend time with you. Wouldn’t these people be better served by initiatives that enable them to branch out and build real relationships with real people (rather than paid service providers)?
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I think people need to think about what this article is saying and probably use it to better inform their opinion.
It seems some have made up their mind about the sex industry and could only really base this on how they are portrayed in the media.
To be truly informed one must be open to educating themselves. Only then should you be able to make an informed opinion.
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I wonder how honest and open a sex worker can be with a paying client. Particularly one that they want to keep as a regular customer….
JJ, good on you for treating these women respectfully and being concerned for their well being and safety. I’m sure they would love it if all clients were the same.
While it’s better than being on a street corner, I still don’t think that the situation you describe sounds very pleasant for the women. Being displayed and then picked (or not) in a line up is degrading. Having to inspect every man for STDs shows how worried they are about catching something. Having to pretend that a client is the “only man in the world” over and over must get pretty old. There must be a strong sense of vulnerability being naked and alone with strange men, you never know who might turn violent.
By your own admission, these are the lucky ones, working in a pretty safe establishment where they get to keep a decent proportion of the money made from selling their bodies. I still wouldn’t encourage anyone I know to become, or visit a sex worker.
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I wouldn’t like the line ups, but the STD check is OH & S for that line of work. They don’t want to catch anything, but they also don’t want to be spreading anything either!
ETA: Thinking about the line-up scenario, how different is it to a casting or modelling shoot auditioning process? People check out how others look and make the decision to use their bodies on a line-up. I don’t see much difference.
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Yeah it’s totally the same as acting or modelling… EXCEPT THEY ARE AWAITING THAT CLIENT’S PENIS IN THEIR VAGINAS!!!!
No, seriously. I hate this “but prostitution is technically the same as modelling/acting/sport because they all use their bodies to make money”. Don’t try to compare them when the difference is so blatant. In one, you are forced to engage in sexual activity under another person’s whim; in the others, you are not.
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Models are there to sell clothing you ignorant woman. They are there to promote an item. They are not there for people to want to have sex. They are just beautiful beings. Do you believe children models too are there for sexual gratification. Seriously….
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Desperate need for money + incredibly low sense of self worth = Prostitution.
I have been in desperate need of money at a young age and I know what it is like to want some financial independence. I can see how tempting it would be to think prostitution is a viable option to get there BUT it is an option that is lazy. We live in a rich, fortunate country where educational and vocational opportunities are a plenty.
It matters not where you came from, it matters where you went to from there.
Choosing to prostitute yourself is not a respectable profession. In a country with so much opportunity, to chose that as you means of survival says a lot about you.
“Wow, I make so much more money than if I worked 8 hours as a shop assistant.” “I am in control” “I’m calling the shots” “I’m empowered”. All statements from prostitutes trying to convince themselves that their actions are justified.
If you had self respect, you’d work your arse off in the most lowly of jobs to keep your dignity. Prostitution is the option for women who think so little of themselves as to give up a future where self worth is the most valuable currency.
As for the John. Your interpretation comes from your thoughts around the experience. I really hope you find a relationship in your life where your partner satisfies your sexual desires now – you were an innocent and vulnerable man before you started using prostitutes – I imagine you would have ultimately attracted a woman who maybe wasn’t your perfect physical ideal but an intellectual mate. You could have explored your sexual needs together. I’m sure now, your sex life has been clouded by your experience and I’m not so sure now of your ability to really connect with the woman you could have made your life with. I really doubt that woman would want to be with you now that you’ve had these experiences. That choice says as much about you too. You could have shown some moral discipline and held on for a meaningful relationship – it takes self control and belief but you’ve chosen a seemingly quick and easy path. The thing is though, that all good things come to those who wait.
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Why do you say sex work is a “lazy” option, and why do you say it is “not a respectable profession”? Why do you think choosing sex work means that a woman has low self worth? I am genuinely interested in how you came to your conclusions.
I can tell you with eleven years of experience in the industry that none of that is true. I just thought you might benefit from hearing the perspective of someone who actually has some real-life experience.
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Do you think it will be marvelous work for your daughter-sister and mother too? and would you like your husband to have continuously sex with your colleagues? You think a normal man likes a woman any chap has drooled over; a licked sandwich ? I bet it makes him feel valuable in your eyes
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Why do you think that people who go into sex work have low self esteem? I would think you’d actually need to have a halfway decent self esteem to consider yourself attractive enough that someone would be willing to part with money to shag you.
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No these women dont think much of themselves, if you have to resort to prostitution to make money, you are performing the lowest of jobs. Who wants men nobody else wants in your vagina and sucking on your breasts… Surely not a woman who has plenty of respect for herself..
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No, just not you. If someone else doesn’t have the same view as you, maybe they’re cool with it.
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anonymous , we all know what goes on when people have sex, why do you keep describing everything. It’s seems very juvenile to me.
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I think some people need reminding of how bad an industry this it. Its not glam, it is not Pretty Woman, its seedy, its women resorting to drugs to numb the pain, its sadness, its lost eyes, its the loss of esteem, all in all its a very sad lifestyle.
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It amuses me how easily one forms opinions on something they neither experienced nor have any particular knowledge about. How much do you know about Sex Industry, really?
Let me ask you another question: would you say that you might benefit from the constantly-being-updated laws regarding sexual harassment at work place? How about discrimination? I hope to see the latter progress a little more. Of course it will.
I am involved in sex industry. I had a completely different career prior to this and was very successful. I have CHOSEN to become a high class escort and applied all the skills that I learnt in a previous industry to become successful.
This industry is developing further, just like any other – there is specific legislation, regulations, emerging submarkets (like advertising, niche agencies, website development and marketing companies, the list goes on). There is growing demand for administrative assistants. This industry is slightly larger than you would think and not just everyone can easily make it here.
The level of one’s success is directly proportional to their level of intelligence and capacity to develop further.
Ongoing arrangements are favoured by Sex Workers (I can not stand that term) and are rather close and personal.
Many Working Ladies can be compared to a professional shrink and come pretty close in their ability to help their clients solve emotional problems which ironically their wife / girlfriend can not.
Many of them have another couple of successful businesses on the side. Many of them are well educated and bred applying those skills in their liaisons.
And most of them are simply charming, inside and outside and have much better values than those office workers who would sell their mother to get that promotion.
And please don’t tell me your boss does not own you and you don’t really prostitute yourself one way or the other. (Example only. For all I know you could be unemployed and sell yourself to recruitment agencies instead)
Perhaps the anger (has anyone noticed it is mostly coming from women) is caused by simple jealousy? I could be wrong yet anger must be caused by something far more trivial than one’s personal desire to make the society a better place… To the point they engage in some debate online. Regarding a subject that is so foreign to them yet interesting enough to read (maybe even twice), and comment (maybe more than twice).
Speaking of “pride”. Not many intelligent people live their life through criticising others. They prefer to educate themselves on the subject they are trying to debate first, so that they have a basis for their opinion. Until this is done, unfortunately comments like these make me feel rather sad, perhaps attacked yet not inferior in any way.
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SophiaP, I was nodding my head in semi-agreement with you most of the way down your piece… until I got to the second-last paragraph… Why, why, why, is any woman criticising another’s choices/looks/opinions/lifestyles always brought down to the lowest common denominator…. “you must be jealous”. You made some valid points for me but then showed your petty side by this statement. I really don’t think the people expressing their personal opinions here are in any way “jealous” of your experiences. Your defensiveness comes through even though you claim you do not feel inferior in any way.
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I think you are responding to my post? I’m not certain as it wasn’t linked but seemed to infer some of my points.
I don’t think you could compare yourself to a “professional shrink” as that professional has studied for many years to earn themselves a degree and learned their craft. Your suggestion that prostitutes help solve emotional problems for their clients that their wives or girlfriends can’t is pretty hilarious – I hope your advice is that they should start by stopping going to prostitutes behind their partners back!
Men in this position are shady and whichever way you look at it, you work in a shady industry that is based on a very loose moral code with lax professionalism.
I am speaking from a position of knowing a well-known madam who is a part of my extended family. We debate this argument often.
I am sure there are a very small number of prostitutes working in the industry who are truly there because they have made a conscious effort to make the work a professional craft and perhaps feel empowered by that choice. Knowing that following this path may fee ok for now but will most likely leave enduring emotional scars that will surface down the track – I’m sure they have accounted for that possibility as how could you not?
But, I stand by my original opinion that the majority of women who work in this industry do so because they don’t have the resources and skills to earn the equivalent money elsewhere. Making that choice does not earn respect as every woman born in this country has an enormous amount of opportunity so their really aren’t many excuses for not applying yourself to something that will make you feel good about yourself and empowered. I think a woman who chooses to earn money this way limits her future opportunities – I think they create a whole lot of problems for themselves in future long term relationships, I think they would be haunted by certain memories and I think they would harbour a very secretive part of their lives forever – none of that is healthy for you. So why would you make the choice to be a prostitute? I really do imagine that it’s a decision that will most likely end in a whole lot of tears.
There is no way I would hire an employee who has chosen this path – not unless they could demonstrate that they had made huge strides forward to put that in their rear view mirror. What it says about a person is that they lack moral fibre, have a low self esteem, trust would be an issue (telling lies would go with the territory), has a questionable work ethic and could quite likely come with emotional baggage that would permeate the team culture.
I’m sure the people on here that are sex workers will be enraged at these thoughts but it is the honest truth. You have mostly stated that you feel empowered in what you do and I think that statement is a convenient argument to deal with the reality of your situation. If you look at the choices you made in your life to get you here, I think you’ll find poor judgement has played a part.
Self respect and pride seem to be two important character traits that are very undervalued in the sex industry but very important in the world at large.
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Woaaah SO judgmental !!!!!!! How dare you accuse women who choose to work as sex workers as having ‘no self respect’.
John was brave and honest to write the article! What is with the nonsense you are writing about him? Sigh
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Hi,
Thanks for being concerned about my welfare, and for people who work in the sex industry…I don’t agree with your assessment, but I think your heart is in the right place.
As for me, well I’ve been in a wonderful relationship with my soul-mate R for almost 20 years now…my experiences with visiting sex workers hasn’t affected our relationship in any way…
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My thoughts are that paying for sex with either a man or a woman in a safe environment as described by JJ must be much better for all involved than a one night stand with someone you have picked up. We seem so accepting of this in our society. I have had my share so I am not being judgemental. I am simply saying that surely entering into a business arrangement is better than running the risk of all the things that could do wrong with one night stand; rape, drunkeness, murder, STIs and the list goes on. You might get lucky and have some good sex but like JJ has mentioned in comments he chose good sex which he paid for. Great article JJ.
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I want to commend you John on this insightful article. Thank you for being brave enough to portray sex workers in a positive light, it’s both refreshing and accurate.
I used to work in parlours (I now work independently and am self-employed) and I had good and bad experiences with workplaces and management. It’s interesting to hear it from a client’s point of view.
Here is a quote I wanted to share, because its author is more eloquent than I!
“The exchange of money for sex does not hurt women; violent people, discrimination and dangerous laws do. And just like in other professions, sex work can be honourable and valuable work, founded on consent and respect. To disregard sex workers’ rights to make decisions about their bodies and their labour is paternalistic, dangerous and disrespectful.”
~ Leslie Robertson
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LaraB,
I have just come back to finish reading the comments.
Once again I am floored.
Can I say this, of all the people commenting on here, if I had to pick one person who intrigues me and who I would want to carry on a conversation with it would be you.
Your able to respond to nasty, judgemental and name-calling posts with a respectful and considerate manner, only asking questions of the author.
I will admit, I don’t know a huge amount about prostitution and brothels but along with many lifestyle choices that I am not a part of, I would love to learn more.
Keep on keeping on… It’s a long road but if you are able to educate the wider public to the truth then maybe the stigma will go away.
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Thank you Nadine
that is so kind of you to say, and lovely to hear. I really admire your willingness to challenge your own thoughts on a subject by seeking to learn about it. I think it’s something not many people have the courage to do.
Thank you for your support, Nadine! It means a lot to me.
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Have worked, and am married. Decision was a financial one. Idea was mine. I am not a drug addict, just someone who is having monetary problems. Husband is okay with it, although he had to really think it over at first. I work in a legal establishment that is supportive of its workers, have NEVER felt degraded, and – surprise, surprise for all you naysayers – have occasionally had orgasms (perk of the job – LOL!)
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Good for you. Do you feel proud of the choices you have made? Pride is a currency that increases in value over time. You get what you put in.
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I have self-pride and self-respect. Nobody can take that away from me, unless I let them. I’ve no intention of doing that. Keeping the roof over the heads of my children is my priority at the moment.
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JJ this is a great article, love your work.
I experimented briefly with escort work and if circumstances hadn’t changed I would have kept at it. It suited me.
I felt for the men I saw. I think sex is an important part of life and when a man has been denied sex in his marriage for years, tried everything to resolve the situation, what are they supposed to do? Live a sexless life forever? Many men were decent guys, they were just tired of years of denial.
I don’t understand women who believe that they have a right to hold a man to sexless faithful relationship for years (I’m not talking about times like illness or because of pregnancy or young children – I mean five years without sex).
And I also saw men who were awkward with women and would struggle to meet someone. Should they be denied company?
Respectful, consensual, legal, safe sex work is fine with me. If it is not for you, fine, but no need to judge or condemn others who partake or work in it. It is all relative, different folks different strokes.
Please more from JJ.
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I have seen clients who have been widowed, and want female companionship as well as sexual release. Often, I provide a shoulder and listen to them talk about how they loved and miss their late wives. Are these guys sleazy creeps? I t hink not.
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Well said, Guest. I agree that a marriage that is without sexual intimacy for a period of years is painful and even hurtful. I was in a de-facto relationship where I felt that my partner didn’t desire me or find me attractive and I finally got it – what my clients had been telling me for years – how it really feels to be rejected and ignored on a sexually intimate level. So I really understand how both men and women feel a need to have that in their lives.
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All easy to say. What about the poor bloody wife/de facto? Has anyone considered why they’ve denied these arseholes of sex?
Of course they seem like decent blokes to you – they’re paying you money to please them (money that could be used for other family items). Yes I’m bitter and pissed off. There are so many articles like this out there now that are justifying why men are using the services of these women, and why there are so many escorts and online dating services around. Pathetic.
Those of you who are condoning this kind of behaviour when you know that the man you are taking money from is already married – you should be bloody ashamed of yourselves. And as for the men who use the services, man up and take actions to make your partner want you, or move out!
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Wow, this is the most interesting article I’ve seen on MM for weeks, if not months. Thank you JJ, this is so thought provoking.
These are the kinds of articles I want to read, that tease out the tensions in gender relations in ways that are thoughtful, sensitive, respectful and non-sensationalised. More please JJ and MM!
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Just wondering these girls that are prostitutes, are they married ? I dont know any man that would be happy to have a wife that was a hooker. Unless of course that man she settled with was her pimp..
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There are many sex workers who are partnered and who have satisfying, healthy relationships. Sex work can be a challenge within a relationship but many of my friends manage it very well. Some have boyfriends and some are married, one lady I know has just had a baby with her husband. There are lots of great men who support their partners to be who they are.
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So, Anonymous, you consider a persons occupation before you decide if you will respect them or not?
There are many “respectful” professions out there that have dishonorable people in them. There are immoral, anti-social and psychopathic criminals working as doctors, lawyers, nurses and ambulance officers out there.
I respect a person on their actions and behavior.
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Your comment does not make sense.
It seems as though you are rambling, and then adding a few “big” words to highlight your intelligence.
Small words and consise comments would allow us to understand your point of view.
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As a sex worker I have loved your story.
I am going to post this link to my page for my potential clients to see. I think seeing things from a clients eyes will be most beneficial.
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I think I have more of an issue with the ladies who only sleep with married men, like the chic who used to wax my legs. She’s seeing someone who won’t commit (because he’s married to someone) so ‘dates’ other (married) men. She even has a client she massages at work, only he’s not there for the massage. thats when I stopped going there.
I personally, wouldn’t like it if my partner saw a prostitute & I would do everything in my power to deter someone, anyone from becoming a sex worker, if for no other reason than its so bloody dangerous. I like to imagine that these women have the power and strength in there corner and only deal with clients who can respect what they do, but the reality is that people in this profession subject themselves to danger on a daily basis. they don’t need my judgement.
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It’s interesting to see how precious chasteness in women is to some people, even in 2012. I don’t have judgements about women’s chastity personally.
I would like to help to educate you around some of your perceptions. For the record, nobody has ever pissed on me, penetration is an essential part of sex (and very enjoyable too!) and no clients ‘make’ me do anything. I do not sell my soul and do not feel destroyed in any way. I feel more disrespected by the people who proclaim to hold the moral high ground and insult me and my choices than I ever have by my clients. I don’t consider it a loss to be disrespected by those who are uneducated about my job and definitely not by those who are unkind. I respect kindness and an ability to demonstrate care for others, but I recognise that we all have different values.
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LaraB,
If we were friends I would not care what your job is. You do your job and then go home to your family/friends just as everyone else does. I care more about how you treat me and others, how your intellect and humor work with mine- do you make me laugh, do I trust you?
As a nurse I know that I can make a difference to my patients, as a sex worker you make a difference to your clients. Be it self esteem, experience or something else.
Your comments have been predominantly objective, well written and clear. Which is more than I can say for many of the comments putting you down.
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Thank you Nadine for your kind words
It is lovely to read the words of a person who thinks like I do and sees the value in others, and what is really important in a person!
I really appreciate your perspective. Thank you once again.
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Is really necessary for all the hate and venom. I thought we were all adults here and could discuss topics in a civilized manner.
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Why is consensual sex a “horrible undignified activity”? It’s a legal activity, it’s a pleasurable activity, and one I can do for free if I choose. Why does the fact that I choose to use my skills and talents to make a living and get paid for the service I provide turn it into something horrible and undignified?
In fact, I consider putting others down and making cruel comments about them to be undignified. I am not “lost”, nor am I a “low life”. My clients would never, ever treat me the way you have described, nor would they speak to me so carelessly.
I can think of many other ‘acceptable’ jobs where I would feel undignified and would have to compromise my values and integrity to be successful, but sex work isn’t one of them.
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Totally agree. Have worked in the industry and in an office. I can tell you where I felt more degraded, and for those of you who can’t read between the lines, it’s the latter.
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I mean, I totally agree with LaraB.
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But lara, having consensual sex with someone you love or someone you really like is lovely…. having sex with someone you dont feel anything for , or god forbid someone you find revolting would be repulsive. I could not even kiss a bloke I found unattractive even after 20 champagnes… I just dont get it.
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I understand your point about sex with someone you love – it’s divine! But some people can have sex with people whom they do not love. Many people pick up casual partners at pubs on a Saturday night, for example. For some, sex is an enjoyable activity that doesn’t have to be in the context of love – especially men.
For me personally, I don’t enjoy casual sex (especially casual, drunken sex) very much at all. But I don’t see sex as being something that must be with someone I love. I can see sex in the context of my job as being a loving act, however – sharing my body and my heart with someone and showing my care and regard for them is a part of what I enjoy about my work. Does that make sense?
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We all get that ” you just don’t get it” but there is a way to converse your opinions in a civilized manner.
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@Simonne 2 – you make no sense about anything on this site today.
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I am making sense. Maybe you have a problem understanding what I”m saying. No need to be so nasty either.
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Maybe all those appendages are getting to your brain simonne2.
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Oh look, a troll. I’ve reported your post, troll. I hope the staff ban your IP address.
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Simone what is your point…
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I thought Simone was commenting on the general aggro tone from the ‘ZOMG I can’t believe women spread their legs for stinky ugly men’ camp.
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I really can’t be bothered explaining my point to you anonymous . because there is no point in discussing anything with you.
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Could I suggest you re-read your comment, slowly? You might realise that it doesn’t make a lot of sense…
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And any man who visits a prostitute does not gain respect either. In fact men who use prostitutes disgust me. It works both ways you know.
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Does the author disgust you,then?
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Interesting to note that women say they are proud of their jobs as prostitutes. If that is the case, why do so many women who apparently do this for a living hide it from the world.
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never been to Kings Cross. Out and proud on the street.
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Mainly because of the attitudes held in society so clearly displayed in some of the below comments. When you know that people not only think so harshly of you but will also happily share their viciousness and judgement with you, you are naturally wary of disclosing to avoid being victimised.
I am out to most people in my life, but it took a lot for me to get to this place. It is important to me to be authentic and to share who I am without shame, so I try to be as courageous as possible around this issue. If people want to make a negative judgment about who I am based on my job, I’d prefer not to have them in my life anyway!
For many sex workers, it is exactly those stigmatising comments and behaviours that cause them harm, not the work.
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G’day John – good for you for writing such an honest article. It was quite fascinating to read. I actually used to work with a women who took her 21 year old son to a brothel for his first sexual experience. It blew my mind at the time – she said it was to teach him how to respect women. I still don’t understand her logic, but your article made me see things a little differently. Hope you write again on Mamamia soon!
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I hate to disappoint you, but my sexual encounters with sex workers were quite boring compared to what you have described…but they were also much more sensual and active than simply having someone lying on their back and being penetrated…
Also, my sexual encounters with sex workers were always built around mutual respect…again, that is why I wrote this article…to peel away ignorance and clichés and try to explain what visiting a sex worker is really like…and to try and encourage men who visit sex workers to treat them with more respect by sharing good experiences as an example to follow.
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sorry, but you do know that without money playing a major part here these women wouldnt have slept with you and put on their ‘game face’?
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Yes. Yes I do.
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So if women allow men to do these things without money changing hands can they still be respected?
I’m sitting here laughing at this comment, actually. ‘Unfavourable’. What does that mean in this context? I mean, we’re talking about sexual favours. I’d say it was quite favourable, actually.
I doubt very much that any sex worker gives a shit about whether you respect her (or him) or not.
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@ anonnoymouse,,,, you know what I dont care what these workers think.. but I do care that they have lost the ability to gain respect from the public and I do care that their lives will always be unfortunate and they will always be disrespected in the community. No body wants to be know as cheap, nobody wants to be know as easy and slutty. Its a sad world you live when you have to take your knickers off and rock someones world who you find offensive.
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Nobody wants to be known as cheap, easy and slutty? So, tell us how you feel about men and women who have one night stands? That sex doesn’t take place as part of a loving relationship. Are those people on your hate list as well?
It’s a job. We all do things we don’t want to in our jobs. It just so happens that sex workers use their bodies to do that. If they can disassociate themselves from that then good luck to them.
It’s interesting that you and so many other anonymous posters keep fixating on sex workers having to work with ‘ugly, fat, sweaty and offensive men’. Presumably if the client was hot that would be okay?
You know who I don’t respect in the community? Dishonest people. People who think that they hold the moral high ground & everyone else is below them.
You’ve made it abundantly clear that you think you’re so much better than sex workers and their ‘offensive’ clients. Luckily you live in an ivory tower and everyone else can go about their business. Prostitution has been around for centuries. It’s not going anywhere. I guess the rest of us are going to have to learn to live with your disappointment.
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well said! pity others can’t convey their thoughts without such hate and venom dripping from every word.
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You are entitled to your own opinion, but most sex workers have a say in which clients they see and which acts they perform.
I never felt degraded, used or exploited, unlike at times when I was a respectable, married housewife. I was never raped or sexually assaulted at work like I have been in my private life.
Sex work is work and those people who are sex workers are no better or worse people than the rest of the population and deserve the same consideration as any other human being.
Its quite likely, anon, that someone close to you has been or currently is a sex worker…..would you say those things to someone you love?
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Indeed I would say what I think… I would also try with all my will to discourage them to continue to work in such an industry. I seriously doubt I know any women in my circle doing such work. Firstly all my friends have professional jobs, there is no need to go down to this seedy world to make quick money , they use their minds at work to make good money without having to take their knickers off for someone to penetrate them,. Someone who they find offensive… What a sad world you live in… Maybe you should have stayed at school, and got yourself a degree instead.
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I’m afraid if I say what I really want to you anonymous, I will be kicked off and blocked again, but all I can think of is ” so self righteous “.
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Anon, for one thing, men ALSO like getting pissed on. Sex workers are NOT selling their soul, they are ‘renting’ their bodies and their time for a service. Most workers I know have made the decision to work THEMSELVES. How do you know Freyja does not have a degree or indeed, what her tertiary qualifications are? You say respect must be earned, do you respect a man who pays to do these things to a woman, or do you just save your contempt for the women? Gooses and ganders, after all. In closing, I believe the word you’re after, when referring to respect, is ‘lose’, not ‘loose’.
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Oh now, LaraB, you mean you actually have an education & know the difference between lose and loose? Don’t go spoiling all the anti sex workers fantasies there!!!!
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JJ good on you for sharing your experiences. But i always find it so facinating when the argument about ‘paying her way through university’ is used to defend women in the sex industry, as some kind of excuse. Why are there no men (or significantly less) having to do the same thing… Means in some way, we as a country are letting these women down. It does nothing to increase the respect and dignity of women, as they are just a commodity. Out with the arc I say. Whether it is paying the bills or not…. Perhaps we need more jobs!!
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To be honest, the number of sex workers I encountered who were “working their way through Uni” was actually quite small…I can only remember two from the top of my head…
One one studying psychology…
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There are many sex workers who are paying off or their way through something- and usually not a drug addiction, contrary to popular belief. Male, female, and transgender sex workers are for the most part pretty ordinary outside of work and there are many that are solo mothers who prefer to work for themselves to better their kids circumstances, rather than take a handout.
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“revolting men that nobody else wants”, real nice.
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Men who access sex workers are also people like everyone else – some are good, some are not so good, all are imperfect like all of us. They are certainly not any more revolting than you are. I have some beautiful, wonderful clients who are amazingly interesting and lovely people. Just because someone pays for sex doesn’t make them revolting – it makes them someone who can recognise what they need and want, and who is able to meet those needs and wants. A pretty good skill in life as it happens! It’s as simple as that.
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I think men just don’t have the luxury of paying their way through uni as a sex worker, because there’s less demand for male prostitutes.
Perhaps they just do it tougher in their uni years?
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I’ve known quite a few women who paid their way through uni as sex workers. None of them HAD to do it, it was just a convenient way to earn money (they earned more working two nights than they would have working 30hrs a week, leaving them more time to study). I also know one guy who was a male escort through uni, and two who were strippers, and I bet if they’re were more demand for straight male escorts a lot more guys would be doing it.
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I think you’re wrong, I have enormous respect for women in the sex industry. I’ve known quite a few and they are wonderful individuals. Just because you are a judgmental twat doesn’t mean all of us are.
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dangerous? bit dramatic . did you even read the article or make up your mind after reading the title? just wondering . I’m not judging you.
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Why does everything have to be from the woman’s perspective? This was written from a male perspective and you sound like any opinion that involves a Y Chromosome isn’t valid.
Read it for what it is.
I would welcome an article about the good and bad from a woman’s perspective. But let’s not fool ourselves that only one side of the story is valid.
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Oh, John, thank you so much for writing this. You seem like such a NORMAL guy… so different to the lecherous, sex-obsessed men i picture when i think of those using brothels – see I suppose I’m bad… I do stereotype men who use brothels, probably because I think of married men or men in relationships, not those in a dry patch… it just opened my eyes a bit (well, a LOT) more…
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lol
I seem normal because I am normal…
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I just wanted to say thanks JJ for the article and your honesty. It has definitely made me question my own views on prostitution.
I am also impressed with the respectful and open way you have handled the comments.
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Thanks!
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I tried working as a prostitute on top of my normal 9 to 5 job for a few months. The money was great but it wasn’t for me. I like sex but it’s actually very hard work, being intimate with men you’ve just met and putting on the “game face”. I work in a fairly stressful professional role and would say for me, being a sex worker was more difficult.
I never felt degraded though and the (few) men I met were normal and decent.
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On Louis Theroux’s documentary series, one of his subjects one week was prostitutes in Nevada. It was very interesting.
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Thanks for opening my mind to ‘behind the scenes’ of an industry I detest. Great article and thank you for your honesty.
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JJ – fantastic article and I’d definitely love to read more from you…I’ll be heading over to your site. I love how honest you have been in this article.
My views over the years have wavered on sex work. I suppose I have always thought it needs to be legal and regulated – from a practical perspective, I would prefer sex workers to be safe, healthy and pay taxes. I’ve always had great respect for sex workers who provided services to disabled people particularly, having become aware of a few specialist sex workers years ago.
On the other hand, I’ve seen many women who go into sex work to feed addictions (my own sister being one of them) and I can’t help but feel angry at the men who use their services. It seems exploitive and I wonder how on earth any man could enjoy this kind of experience…paying for sex with a woman with heroin-glazed eyes, track marks on every conceivable place of the body and then plenty of unconceivable places as well, knowing that, following the transaction that woman will be heading straight to her nearest dealer to purchase some more. Where is the respect there? The woman has no self respect (if she had any before she started using, she would almost certainly lose it very soon after becoming addicted) and the man presumably has little respect for her either, knowing as he does that he is simply enabling the purchase of the next hit which could be the one to kill her. So again, I was happy that you drew a distinction here and called for me to be educated about ‘good’ sex work as opposed to ‘bad’ sex work.
I’ve gone from having the feminist view (all sex work exploits all women and that perhaps the punters should be penalised a la Sweden) to seeing the shades of grey. Thank you for your honesty and respect.
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I also have no idea how men can enjoy sex with either smacked-out or coming-down women who are only going to take their pay straight to a dealer.
I have a feeling that they’re really not the sort of men I’d like to know …
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why do you care where these women spend the money they make. none of our business in my opinion.
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there are always shades of grey. 50 I think.
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I can’t speak for Loop but, speaking for myself, I care because it may be the last hit my sister takes. And for all those other sex workers who are funding addictions, it may be the last hit that they take.
It is called compassion – being able to feel for another human being – that enables us to care about these women.
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my comment sounds wrong even to me now when I read it. I felt I was sticking up for them by saying they can spend the money they make how they like. I care about the women that have drug addictions. I used to have one.
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Point taken – the whole misunderstanding of intent that comes through written communication.
Congrats on getting clean!
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Anon, I was really thinking more about the men in that circumstance.
I think if a man can be relaxed and aroused enough to enjoy sex with someone who is clearly suffering with an addiction, he is probably not the empathetic person that I’d like to know and more somebody who likes to get his kicks, no matter how the people around him feel.
I don’t want to judge some prostitutes as worthy and some as unworthy based on how they spend their money, that wasn’t my aim.
And from another person who was addicted in a previous life, congrats on getting clean too
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thanks loop and Anon, and congrats to you both as well. It wasn’t easy. and I think I was too busy defending the women who like doing it for a job instead of thinking of those that do do it for their drug dependency issues. The men who use these women who are obviously suffering is disturbing. That definitely is the awful side to it all.
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iAmandaroseI have a step sister( who I have never met as she committed suicide before my dad met her mum) who was a prostitute to feed her addiction. Her mum was all for it as she could at least afford her habit as opposed to steal and committing crime. Prostitution is legal and pays well enough to fed a habit. I kind of agree- At least she had an honest way to make cash.
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Very nice article, JJ. As an ex worker myself and as someone who worked in a country that has decriminalised prostitution, I am very interested to hear how the present models in Australia work for people here.
I also had the pleasure of being involved for a number of years with NZPC which is a similar organisation to Scarlett Alliance and the like. I hope to become involved here with the same organisations as I still have a very vested interest in sex worker rights and I hope eventually, Australia will follow in NZ’s Decriminalisation footsteps .
And well done most of you for the generally respectful tone of the posts on this subject.
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Ahhh JJ, you are a million shades of awesome.
I would never go to a brothel, because I’m scared of strangers, and the thought of them judging me. Yeah I know, I’m weird. But I actually don’t have an issue with brothels. I can understand people in your postition at the time, using their services. I get that, it makes sense.
There is a brothel across the road from my work. What I can’t handle is seeing the family wagons with the child seats in the back, sitting in the parking lot. I can’t handle seeing the guy in a wheelchair who sits outside the shopping centre with the Big Issue, then go and spend his money at the brothel.
But hey, that’s just me
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I think the disabled guy is entitled to sex too if he has no love in his life. Physical affection (even if paid for) is very important for human happiness. Good on him, the sex industry provides a very real service to disabled people.
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That wasn’t the point I was making. He was using the proceeds from the Big Issue to fund going to the brothel. THAT is what I had the problem with.
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If selling the big issue is his source of income, why should we judge where he spends it? Do you buy alcohol with your money?? Same thing!
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So you are ok with someone spending money that he’s earning for charity? You would be ok with the Salvo guy taking the charity money and spending it? Spending money that is supposed to be put back into the community?
It’s completely different if he spends the money he earns. But I’m talking about the money he’s just received as a donation.
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Selling the big issue is his job, the seller receive half the cost of the magazine, the other half is given to the management & production of the big issue. A completely different scenario from a tin shaker receiving money (though some charities pay the tin shaker’s up to $25/hr!)
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I think you’re confused evil… he EARNS half of the profits… the other half go back into production of the magazine and etc.
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who are you to tell anybody how to spend their money. none of your business in my opinion.
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It’s my business if 10 minutes earlier to me seeing him going into the brothel I’ve donated money and bought the magazine. I’m buying it to help a charity, not fund someones trip to a brothel.
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Vendors who sell the big issue keep a portion of the sales as income. The Big Issue is a social enterprise, NOT a charity!
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The people swelling The Big Issue do it to earn money. It’s certainly not going to a charity. The Big Issue is an ultra left wing mag published by an ultra left wing organisation. The only charitable part of it is that they allow someone who otherwise would be able to, earn an income.
Good on them if they earn enough to be able to pay a sex worker.
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Then don’t buy the mag. Easy.
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Very serious question… how do you keep the emotion out of it? I have a tendency to develop crushes on every man I so much as kiss. Actually, a good conversaton is enough to give me butterflies sometimes
Perhaps because of that, the emotional side is so important to me… I don’t think I could be intimate with someone if I didn’t think there was any chance of it going further.
Am I unique in this regard??
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I can only speak from the client side of the equation…
I think for me, part of respecting what a sex worker does also means respecting the emotional side of the transaction…there’s a lot of trust in sex work, both ways…the sex worker is trusting their body and emotions with me, and I’m also trusting my body and emotions with her as well…I was always very respectful and self-aware of my emotions when visiting a sex worker…it’s easy to like a sex-worker…that’s what they are paid to do, to be likeable…so if you’re not aware of this, I would imagine that it would be easy to assume there was more substance to their interest in you than is really there…
As I describe in the article, sex workers bring their game-face to proceedings…for that hour, you are the most important man in the world…but it’s just a facade…I think it’s an important part of the mutual trust between a client and sex worker that the client is aware of this and to respect it for what it is…an act.
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Its just business…. despite the intimate nature of the work, at the end of the day, its a business transaction- even with those who become regulars and the good clients will understand this as well and wont push for more. There’s a big difference for me between work and my personal life- those that are clients dont see me, they see my work persona- its all an illusion.
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I agree Freyja. If my bread and butter came from prostitution I would make it sound great to my clients.
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Wow, that was amazing – took a look at kiki & tea as you recommended. What a complicated issue. I think, my opinion…On kiki you spoke about Stilletoes expansion, maybe these will be the places that get it right, a “boutique” being small does not necessarily mean they’ll be nice. Do we legislate this stuff. Workplace harassment? Obviously legislation is there and we are getting this stuff right more now than a few years ago when a judge declared that a prostitute could not be raped. John, thanks for the frank and human discussion and level responses to all the amazing comments that followed. Please write again on MM.
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Hey jj thanks for writing this honest and thought provoking article, it was really interesting to read about how these places operate. Perhaps I may have lived a sheltered life but whenever I read these sort of articles it opens up my eyes on what’s happening around corners of the world. thanks mamamia.
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Thanks for an interesting article John. In regards to the housewife, I’m guessing that she didn’t really see her job as just like any other, since her kids didn’t know what her job was. I wonder if they ever found out.
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On a side note, I really like how you respond to people’s opinions JJ.. .even when some people are downright rude or dismissive
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Thanks – I try to set a good example and try to treat everyone with respect…I don’t always succeed, but I’m only human…
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