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Perfect Man1 380x536 All the single ladies: youre too picky.by SARAH HARRIS

A couple of weeks back, the Catholic Church sparked an unholy war with single women across the country by declaring the real reason why so many of us are unmarried and alone is because we’re ‘too picky’. Nevermind Australia’s man drought (the ratio of single women to single men, says demographer Bernard Salt, is roughly 16:1) or the fact there are so many dud blokes out there (the ratio of douchebags to decent men is roughly 4:1*). Melbourne’s Fr Tony Kerin says WE’RE the problem. Because OUR standards are set higher than the heavens.

Cue mass hysteria and high heel stomping. ‘Who does this greying, God-fearing, celibate(!) MAN think he is??’ we screamed and ranted and bitterly blogged. Fr Kerin had hit a very raw nerve. And I think that’s because he kinda has a point.

Now we’re smart enough to know he isn’t suggesting women should put up with abusive or abhorrent behaviour from a man just for the sake of being in a relationship. Alcoholics, drug addicts, women beaters, emotional manipulators, cheaters, megalomaniacs, financial leeches and just plain jerks are obviously not worth our time or our tears. But have we become so idealistic about love, romance and finding ‘The One’ that we’re waiting for the perfect man who simply doesn’t exist?

How many of us have broken up with blokes, or backed out of second dates, for superficial and yes, picky reasons? He was too nice, he was too keen, he didn’t know the difference between “your” and ”you’re”, he listened to James Blunt, his laugh was annoying, he dyed his hair, he wore three-quarter denim shorts. Poor buggers never stood a chance. Irks? Yes. Deal-breakers? Maybe not.

A few weeks ago a friend of mine, let’s call her Laura, made up an excuse to leave a dinner date before dessert had even arrived because her good-looking, funny, well-educated male suitor was….pigeon-toed.  She cancelled on a date at the last minute with another man who admitted he wore built up shoes.  Then, there was the new boyfriend who used her toothbrush the morning after an impromptu sleep over. He barely had time to rinse before she gave him the ‘it’s not you, it’s me’ line and shoved him the door.

Laura is the first to admit she’s become too choosy. “I know it’s terrible, but I just can’t get past the little things that put me off.” So at 36, what exactly IS she looking for in a man? “Good family, solid morals, great job, financially stable, someone who likes the outdoors, who likes to party but not too hard. They also have to be taller than me (she’s 5’10), have a nice smile and a wicked sense of humour,” she tells me. Not to mention a bloke with his own toothbrush, whose toes on both feet face forward.

Now that’s a pretty specific, and frankly unrealistic, list when it comes to choosing someone who is ‘marriage-material’. Plenty of us aren’t perfect, so why are we demanding something close to Godliness before we’ll even consider a second date with a potential partner? ‘But there’s no SPARK!’, we moan. Shouldn’t the ground shake and the universe cave in when I first clap eyes with The One? Well, this isn’t a Reese Witherspoon movie. Ask anyone who is married, and they’ll tell you that giddy, butterflies-on-crack feeling in your stomach eventually fades. What does last, if you pick the right bloke, is a deep sense of contentment, commitment and friendship. But first – you’ve gotta give them a chance.

My best mate – a fabulous, fast-talking, high-flying career girl – spent the majority of her 20′s, like most of us, dating men who looked excellent on paper. The result was diabolical.  When she finally did find love, he came in the form of a fruit-picker, who didn’t have a car or a bank account, who lived out of his tent in country Victoria.  Now you’d think these were pretty big red flags. But she vaguely remembered him from high school, and given she’d endured a string of dating disasters, she agreed to give him a go. If it all went horribly pear-shaped, she huffed dryly over the phone, at least she’d have a good story to tell next time I called.

They’d arranged a first date near her house in Melbourne. Would she pick him up? She suggested. Absolutely not! He was adamant neither his lack of mobility, nor the 250 kilometre distance, would not stop him from making an impression on my mate. He took a train, then a bus, before arriving at her front door on foot, four hours later. He’d carried a box of fresh cherries the whole way. Handpicked, just for her.

The following week, their second date, he made the long arduous journey to Melbourne again. This time, he was bearing strawberries. On the third date, he brought prickly pears. They might as well have been diamonds. She was falling. By the fourth date, when he knocked on her door singing ‘I would walk five hundred miles’, she was smitten.  Nearly four years later, they’re now planning their wedding.

“Sometimes you just have to take the blinkers off,” she says, “and be a little less judgemental before actually getting to know someone. There are great, wonderful men still out there.”

You’ve just got to have a little faith.

* Statistic sourced from several girlfriends after far too many glasses of Sauvignon Blanc.

Sarah Harris has been a journalist for more than a decade. She currently works as a reporter for the Nine Network and can be found on National Nine News. You can follow her on Twitter here.

So, be honest, have you ever set your own standards too high? And, more importantly, have you ‘lowered’ them to find love?

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  1. Fiona

    Well, after a failed marriage and a relationship (plus two children) that’s going to the dogs, I think I can say this.

    Be picky on big stuff (values, kindness, future life direction) and don’t sweat the small stuff (back hair, crooked teeth, bad shoes etc. etc.)

    I maybe the opposite of picky. First marriage failed because of lack of sexual chemistry. Relationship is failing because the kind, lovely man I thought I fell in love with has actually turned out to be a selfish, verbally abusive dickhead.

    BIt concerned about the man drought but am determined not to consign myself to lifetime of relationship misery out of fear that there’s no nice men out there.

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    • Anonymous

      Agreed!! Back hair grosses me out but the is waxing! LoL. I agree with your post about being picky about the big things. If you don’t share the same values and life goals, it’s a break up waiting to happen.

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      • Lola

        My husband has back hair, and neck hair, and nose hair – not just nostril hair, but sprouting from the top of his nose. He has a natural monobrow, yellow sticky outy teeth and slightly googly eyes. And to me he is the most beautiful man who ever walked the earth: all I see is the kindness, the calmness and the love that emanates from him. I didn’t want to date him at first but it just took a few weeks of chasing for me to come round, and for all the other stuff to fade away and not matter. And for 9 years he was stuck in somewhat dead-end jobs in his chosen profession; this year he made a career switch and is now in an amazing, career-track making, highly respected job. So if I’d applied the ‘good well paid’ job criterion back then I’d have missed out on what he turned out to be, professionally, as well as all the good stuff on a personal level.

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        • anon

          Sorry Lola, your description of your husband made me spit me tea all over my keyboard. Man you’re funny.

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          • Lola

            heh. He’s actually not as bad as I made out. Only I see the back hair, the rest he keeps neatly groomed at least half the time. And every time I go at him to do something about his teeth he says “do you want me to be attractive to other women?” But he actually is appealing to other women because they can see his inner beauty. I have literally been pushed into bushes by one very determined admirer. We’ve been together now 10 years.

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            • Melsie

              That’s gorgeous Lola, and very amusing too!

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  2. Anonymous

    Why are there NEVER articles stating that men are too picky? This feels like just another article coming along to try and terrify women into grabbing onto any guy what will have them! I’m yet to ever see an article which tells men “don’t be too choosy, ESPECIALLY if you’re approaching 30!!!!! Just take any women who is STILL willing to be with you. PS: hurry up and have kids too, if you wait until you’re 31, you’re being selfish and putting a strain on the public health system!!”

    Why are there articles never directed toward a man? Or we women are we expected that we should just be grateful that any guy would be still willing to “take us” especially once we’re SO old at 30.

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    • Kris2040

      I don’t think guys actually are that picky, really. That’s probably why. Also, blokes don’t tend to overanalyse everything like girls do.

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      • Anonymous

        Some women are too picky. But in reality, the majority of women want the same few things:

        1. a nice guy who isn’t a total a$&hole
        2. A responsible guy that has a job and so on (not a criminal, dole bludger ect
        3. A guy who shares similar values and life goals (wanting children ect)

        Yes some people are too picky but as most articles are stating these days, it’s most women which is completely over generalizing. Women don’t need to settle anymore and why should they have to settle for any guy that comes along? That only end up in one place- divorce court.

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        • Kris2040

          Ease up there, turbo!
          I didn’t say anyone should settle or not be picky, I was just offering a possible explanation as to why these type of articles are aimed at women rather than men.

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  3. Waiting patiently

    I’m waiting for the guy I’ve been close mates with since we were 14 and 17 to realise that the stunningly beautiful but completely devoid of personality 21 year old he is dating isn’t right for him and that the chick who he loves to hang with, make movie reference jokes with, who has the same sense of humour and ambitions as him, and who may not be model gorgeous but is still above average (me! Hello! I’m here!) is the chick he wants to marry

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    • Laura

      Give it up! Life isn’t a movie!

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      • Waiting patiently

        Haha, thanks for the reminder, Laura!
        A girl can dream though, right.
        I’m also waiting patiently for Ryan Gosling to sweep me off my feet, but figure I have more of a chance of the above happening ;)

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        • Kathy W

          Awwww…I think your story is cute – it reminds me of that Taylor Swift song.
          Hang in there, the scales may fall from his eyes one day, but don’t wait too long…

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          • Yeah!

            Yes, I thought of the Taylor Swift song, too.

            I agree with Laura: Do yourself a favour and give up. Go read He’s Just Not That Into You. It’ll help you move on and find someone who’s into you as more than just a good friend.

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        • Anonymous

          I’m waiting for George Cloony or perhaps Dwayne “The Rock” Johnston to move to Australia, hopefully next door and realize I’m there tur love… LoL. We can all keep hoping!

          Good luck with your friend though!

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    • Jess

      Pfft! Why is everyone so negative about this??

      I was best friends with my now-boyfriend for 3 years before we finally got together! And during that time I rejected him over and over, dating other guys when I knew that he wanted me more than a friend. Finally though, I admitted my feelings for him (feelings that had come back and faded over and over during those 3 years) and with A LOT of courage he asked me to be official with him.

      So maybe you should let him know how you feel. Plain and simple. Even if you get rejected it’s better knowing you took the chance than regretting it later and asking yourself ‘what if’. And people out there who may think you’re a homewrecker for ever meddling, it’s not like you tried to JUMP him or anything. You just let him know how you feel, and that’s that. Even if you lose him as a friend IT’S WORTH ITTTTT!!!!!

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      • Waiting patiently

        Thanks Jess! It’s more of a running joke when one of us bemoans our relationship to the other we reply “well if you just married me you’d be so much happier” we’ve never been single at the same time for anything to happen. I don’t pine after him as the original post suggests, i have a partner at the moment and havent knocked any potential partners back “just in case”, it was more of a tongue in cheek thing. So awesome to hear about you and your boyfriend though, your life really is like a movie!

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  4. Kirrily

    I am 35 years old. I do not know any more single (decent) guy friends.They have all been snapped up – the last one I knew is now engaged. On the other hand, I still know about 10+ girlfriends who are my age and still single. I’m sure I’m not the only one who can relate to this ratio. I feel for my girfriends who are desperate to “settle down” with the right man but in the absensce of such, will also have to agonisingly face the physical reality of not being able to bear children because they believe in the traditional rite of passage of getting married and having children.

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  5. Sasha

    “New boyfriend who used her toothbrush” ew ew ew I don’t want to share anyone’s gum disease, especially not a new boyfriend’s! I don’t blame her for this one! :P

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    • Jess88

      See, I don’t think that is really all that bad. I mean, if I’m going to sleep with the guy and in the process exchange all kinds of bodily fluids, would I really be all that worried about him using my toothbrush? (unless he had a coldsore)

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      • twomummies

        People can be weird about that sort of thing…my partner won’t use my knife and fork if we are swapping meals in a restaurant even though I point out we swap a lot more in kissing etc etc.

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  6. Tripitaka

    I first started going out with my partner when we were 20. 12 years later we are still in love, still laugh together all the time, and we are still nice to each other. When we were younger our mentality regarding the relationship was that it was very casual, probably not too serious. Money and material things like cars were simply not an issue, they weren’t even something that I even considered. As an art student, I had decided early on that there were many more important things in life than money. We had fun together, enjoyed talking to each other, had similar values. Things gradually got more serious, we travelled together, moved in together, had babies together.

    I wonder if I had instead met him now, 12 years later, and my headspace was different, if it’s possible there would be some deal-breakers. I mean, if my approach to the relationship was more about looking for “the one”, the future father of my children, the love of my life, it’s possible that things like his horrid mother and his relationship with her would be a deal-breaker. So I’m very glad that I met him when I did, because the good things we have together far outweight the bad things.

    For a 30 something single person, the pressure to find the right person can be very strong, especially if you are hoping to have kids. But that pressure is, I imagine, not at all helpful in regards to finding a good match. So trying to take the pressure off, and just have a bit of fun, is probably a good idea?

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    • lady

      I think starting young helps. This sounds awful but I was 23 when I met my husband, who had just turned 30. He got a bit of teasing (mild) for the age difference and mentioned one day that women around his age were ‘starting to give off an air of desperation’ so he’d wanted to find someone a bit younger than him. His GF before me had been his age and had turned the pressure gauge WAY up quite early on, which had basically terrified him.

      I think men mature a lot later than women too, so 30-something men are often looking for someone a bit younger.

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  7. Anon for this one

    I’m 32 and thinking of dating a 24 year old. We both like each other a lot.

    The irony is if he were on a dating site he would have been automatically weeded put by the age bracket thing. It is easy to be picky on dating sites.

    He is perfect in every way except I can see the age thing come in to effect when I want to have a child with him?

    Any advice ladies?

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    • Anonymous

      Don’t waste time, the probability of a 24 year old wanting kids sooner than later are slim, otherwise as soon as you hit 35 your eggs start to decline at a rapid rate. have fun if you will with him , but you are just limiting yourself to finding someone closer to your age…..You don’t to wake up at 40 then realize you wasted time…

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      • Anon for this one

        So you are advising me to be picky even though every other aspect of a great relationship is potentially there?

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        • Anonymous

          No I am telling you that the probability is you are wasting your time…

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    • Kris2040

      If you’re only thinking about dating him, why are you already jumping to issues about having kids???

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      • Anon for this one

        Because for the exact reason stated by Anonymous above. I don’t have the luxury of not caring about it because I will eventually run out of time. And Please don’t tell me I have plenty of time to see how things go because we know that isn’t true.

        I could really see it going well with him. I know him quite well. He could turn around when I’m 35 and say I’m not ready, which would put me in a worse position than I’m in now. It might be too much of a risk to take.

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        • Anon

          Sounds like your mind is already made up! So good luck with it all.

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        • Kris2040

          I think you’re putting way too much pressure on yourself and him. If he’s awesome for you, he’ll be up for kids. I don’t think it’s wise putting a due date on anything like that! Far too much pressure. If you think you’ll be a good match, get together and don’t base it on how he might maybe react if you decide you want to have kids with him later on.
          You say you know him well, but it doesn’t sound like you’re giving him much credit, or that you actually do, to be honest.

          Having said that, my brother and his partner have a similar age difference, and there were no problems with deciding to start trying for babies there. He may have had a bit of a freak out about the concept, but that’s not exclusive to blokes who are younger than their partners! I had a similar freak out when I was pregnant, and have done since I had my daughter.

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          • Anonymous

            How do you suggest she remove that pressure but? It’s not in her head, it’s a reality. She only has three years before fertility does start to become a time issue. It’s an unfortunate fact of life.

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            • Gomez

              Anon for this one: 24 is not too young for males to consider having families. He could be dating you with this in mind. As long as you both click and make the decision together.

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            • Kris2040

              I got pregnant through contraception at 35, and I have a few friends and acquaintances who have had no trouble (or surprises like I did). It’s not like you turn 35 and all of a sudden you have to use IVF to have a baby!
              I think it’s silly to put pressure on yourself and someone else, and build up all these expectations IN YOUR HEAD without knowing what the other person even thinks about that kind of stuff.
              I don’t like it when blokes are too pushy, I can only imagine how guys must feel if someone they like is saying “Well, I hope you’re keen to get married and have kids in the next 1-3 years, because my clock’s a tickin and I don’t have time for time wasters! Tick Tock! TICK TOCK!”. I just don’t understand why you’d pass on someone who sounds like a great fit because they might not want to have kids straight away. And then complain about there being no men!

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    • Tripitaka

      I think you should be open and honest with him, and discuss your feelings and what you’ve been thinking about.

      I am aware this goes against the standard advice of “don’t ever discuss kids early on in the relationship”. But, you never know, he might surprise you.. and generally speaking, being honest with people is usually excellent advice, as well as being essential to a good relationship.

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      • neola

        Totally agree – tell him your reservations – you never know, he might be an early bloomer. I know some fantastic mid-20s dads.

        And if he bails, well at least you know.

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    • Anonymous

      I know a couple with a 7 year age gap. They just celebrated their 12th wedding anniversary and have 2 kids. When the first came, it was probably sooner than the guy would have wanted, but he understood the biological reality and loved his wife, and having taken the leap of faith I don’t think he’d change a thing. As with everything, depends on the people involved.

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    • jess88

      Hi Anon,
      I don’t think you can blanket this situation based on the guys age. Just because he is 24 doesn’t mean that he is “young” mentally. I have guy friends who are “young” 24 year old guys who are all about partying and chasing tail but I have the same amount of “mature” 24 year old guy friends who are settling down, engaged, planning babies or who are already dads. Do what feels right for you. None of us know your situation like you do.

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    • Anonymous

      My 30 year old friend and her 24 year old husband are pregnant with their first child. My 35 year old boyfriend is not ready for a baby. It is such an individual thing, but if that is a deal breaker for you, you have to have that talk. Stop wondering, start talking.

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      • MissMin

        You make perfect sense :) Mr Min is 7 years older than me, and by my reckoning, we’ll both be ready for kids at around the same time – he’s definitely in NO rush for kiddies and that suits me fine since I still have lots I want to do fist :)

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    • anon

      Most men arent really interested in having kids until they’re in their 30′s. So when he’s 30 you’ll be 38. By then your clock is ticking very loudly. Its a big risk to take.

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    • fee283

      I’m 27 & madly in love with my 21yo boyfriend who I think is insane for loving me back – but he does, just as I am.

      My mum is 7yrs older than my dad & their 32yr marriage is a pretty good indication of their commitment [dad was only 22 when they met].

      If you like the guy, don’t spend 2yrs like I did trying to deny it because you’re worried about the gap or what people might think. Go for it. If it doesn’t work out, you wouldn’t have spent all this time wondering. & if it does? You might just get your ‘happily ever after’ after all. :)

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    • B

      I say go for it! My sister met her now husband when she was 26 and he 19. They married when he was 21 and started trying for a baby straight away, though it has taken a while for her to fall pregnant (she is now yay!)

      It can happen, just have fun with it and see how it goes!

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    • Kylie2

      I know it’s a rare situation but friends of our married when she was 35 and he was 25. They had kids straight away because of her age. His preference may have been to wait a couple of years but she was really honest about wanting to be a mum. They plunged straight in.

      She’s now 50 and he is 40. They’re happily married with 2 kids. It can happen.

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    • elle

      I would go for it! I think its crazy to avoid a relationship just because he MIGHT not want kids when you do. You could just as easily date someone of the same age or older and have the same issue! I mean how soon do you want to have kids? If its meant to be it will be.

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    • b

      A close friend of mine was 33 when she met her 24 year old boyfriend – they are still happily together with one baby and another on the way. Everyone is different – sure the guys I dated at 24 were nowhere ready for babies, but clearly this guy was!

      I know it’s hard but maybe try to relax about the baby issue, see how the relationship goes and if it’s really a great fit you can discuss the big issues then. I think we all get talked into panicking about how old we are (I’m 32 and the way people talk it’s as if we’re 52) – you have time! Focus on the relationship before you focus on the babies.

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  8. CathyG

    Check out Bernard Salt’s book on “Man Drought” if you want a more detailed analysis on why there is such a phenonemon in Australia, particularly for women who are in the mid to late 30s. He examines Census stats and draws some interesting findings and conclusions.

    I do remember an interesting point he made though. If you want to search for a husband, 22-23 is the ideal age. In your early to mid 20s, you attract men in their 20s and 30s who are looking to partner women in this age category. You can afford to be at your pickiest and choosiest then. The problem is when women miss the boat and start to get older. Their standards and “must tick this box” list remain but the number of available men start to deplete as the men start being plucked up by other women. By the time women reach their mid to late 30s, they have an “inflated sense of hotness” (Bernard Salt’s words, not mine!)and arguably, an unrealistic set of ideals such that there are simply less men to cater to such high standards and the problem is exacerbated that these men no longer are looking to partner up with women in the mid to late 30s and beyond range.

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    • Anonymous

      inflated sense of hotness… That describes all the single women in their mid to late 30′s that are still single and searching in our office…. Sorry but they have missed the boat

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      • Anon

        Agreed! Sad but true………

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      • Anonymous

        Wow! So if you’re over 30 you’re automatically ugly??

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    • anon

      Yes very true sadly. One of my kids was describing a woman we know and she said she was one of those ladies in their 40′s who still thinks she’s hot and dresses like she’s in her 20′s. Ouch!
      So glad I did catch mine when I was 23 because I am a bit fussy ;)

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      • Me too

        I met my husband when I was 23 too! Maybe there is some truth to what Bernard Salt says – the ideal age for “husband hunting” is 23.

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        • Lauren

          I don’t know if that’s true…I’m 26 and even with the benefit of only three years I can see what a flaky airhead I was at 23! I’m not saying every 23 year old is an airhead but I definitely needed a few more years to get rid of the crazies and become more mature. I have a gorgeous boyfriend who I doubt I would have been able to attract 3 years ago, because he’s attracted to that calmer, more rational approach I can bring to the relationship. Horses for courses…

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          • Me Too

            I should clarify – I met my boyfriend (now husband) when I was 23. We did the travelling thing together, moved interstate and started new jobs together and finally married when I was 27. I agree with Lauren, I was far too immature at 23 to get married and it was not on my radar at all at that age. However, when I look back, it was definitely nice having a range of boys to pick from at the time:) I don’t think I was that fussy; I just wanted to have fun and the relationship turned into something more serious for all the right reasons. However, I feel that now I’m older, I am a lot fussier and stuck in my ways a bit….just glad I hooked up with my husband back then!

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  9. Flipper

    I wasn’t going to comment, but reading Jess’s entry below with which I agree, I have to state the obvious and that is men do not age the same as women. I see 45 year old men (I’m 21) and still think they’re very handsome and attractive, but I rarely if ever see women of that age that are as physically attractive.

    I think a man goes after looks because feminine looks fade faster, so a guy who is a 7 can date an 8 knowing in 5-10 years time she’ll be a 6 and so will he.

    I just don’t think men and women are the same biologically so we want slightly different things. I still see women with a much longer list though

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    • Kathy W

      Don’t know where you live, Flipper but come hang out here on the sunny South Coast of NSW for a while and you sure as heck won’t see any 45 year old men who still look ‘hot’.
      I live here – and I see 45 plus overweight, balding, AC/DC t-shirt wearing, Winnie Red smoking, pokie-playing geezers who are allergic to vegetables, think exercise is walking to the mailbox and wonder why they can’t seem to snag a chick.

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    • anon

      Around my area middle aged women are very focused on their appearance. At the gym all the time, always dieting, grooming, wearing sexy clothes…But its like that Smash Mouth I’m a believer video, when they turn around its a frightening sight, their faces are so distorted with fillers and botox its really scary and they look much older than they really are. If they relaxed and put on a few kilos their faces wouldnt be so wrinkly….

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  10. MissMin

    I completely fell in love with Mr Min’s personality straight away. He’s not at all the physical body type I would have chosen before I met him, and I’ll admit that caused me to hesitate at first (also because he’s a bit older than me), but now I love everything about him :) Guess I’m just lucky he also looks pretty amazing on paper, though becuase of the circumstances under which we met, I didn’t find out any of his ‘paper’ credentials till I’d already fallen for his personality and kindness.

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    • Melsie

      That is awesome MissMin! I could say the same about me & Mr Melsie (that sounds so silly) :)

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  11. Snow

    I gave the tall, lanky, nerdy guy a chance and hey presto! Fell madly in love and got married a few years later. If i had been my usual picky self that day i would never have looked twice at him

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  12. tastebud

    Not sure if someone has mentioned this but doesn’t it ultimately come down to chemistry?

    You cannot manufacture attraction. And who would want to?

    Perhaps some women blame pigeon-toes, or poor spelling, as you say. But what’s really going on there just isn’t enough attraction……

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    • S

      totally agree..!!

      there has to be an attraction or ‘spark’ because that is when you overlook all of the ‘imperfections’

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      • Kathy W

        That’s why chemistry can’t be detected on RSVP – and we rely on their profile shot for that jolt of ‘wow’.
        I had a friend who saw the photo, liked, they clicked via email, clicked even more chatting on the phone. She was so excited. They arranged a date but when she saw him in the flesh, face to face – the spark just wasn’t there. The chemistry was non-existent.

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        • Sarah Harris

          Sorry girls. Love is just chemicals, according to science. Not destiny. Not a gut feeling. Just chemicals.
          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/901148.stm

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          • MJ

            Well that’s like saying that you understand the process of conception and pregnancy so babies aren’t too amazing. But once you have a baby even though you logically understand the process that made the baby, you still think it’s the most amazing thing in the world.
            Understanding the science behind things doesn’t have to take the magic out of the world :-)

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  13. Anonymous

    Women depreciate as they age, your have to strike whilst the iron is hot.. Otherwise you will end up a spinster living with cats….

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    • Anonymous

      …and what’s wrong with that!?

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      • Anonymous

        Nothing wrong with that, you just have to invest in a dildo and learn cat language…

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        • MJ

          I think I’ll have a cat and casual sex rather than a dildo. I don’t think ending up single with cats would be so bad. You could have a fabulous lifestyle, and still have family and friends so you won’t be lonely.

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  14. Jess

    Can I just add the obvious – your options decrease the older you get.

    I think it more acceptable to be picky the younger you are. Logically, there are more single people around if you’re in your 20s than if you’re in your 30s. Most of my friends are 19 or 20 years old and I have seen far too many of them settle for guys (or girls) that are lacking big, important traits!

    Who am I to judge what’s an important trait or not, you may ask. Well I have one friend who is dating a guy she clearly does not get along with, and they’ve been together for almost 3 years. Everytime we see them together they’re arguing about something petty and she’s continuously trying to shut him up or put him down whenever he opens her mouth. My friends and I agree they’re only staying together because they don’t know what else is out there.

    I think while my friends and I are young we have to keep in mind that the number of fish in the ocean right now is a lot bigger than it will be in the future, so if one of us KNOWS we’re not actually all that satisfied in a relationship… we should just move on.

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  15. Sarah Strawberrah

    I don’t know if someone is going to take my feminist badge off me, but I have to call a spade a spade and say with out a doubt I find girls are more fussy than boys when it comes to dating. By a long long way. Most men want a pulse, but the list most women want makes me embarrassed.

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  16. Melanie

    As far as I know men are nowhere near as picky as women are. I know men who are wealthy, great (hot) physiques and look attractive that date plain women who don’t have cash or much in the way of looks, but I’ve never met a wealthy lady who is attractive and dates a poor guy. Most ladies I know who are successful still seek out even more successful guys and have an attitude of wanting to keep what they earn and spend what he earns

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    • Kylie2

      I know a couple of very attractive, educated, high-earning women who are married to guys who earn much less than them.

      These are nice guys, good dads who are willing to pull their weight in running the household and raising the kids. It can be the perfect arrangement for a successful career woman.

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  17. Mill

    At 5’11, I used to think tall was a pre-requisite. After my last (narcissistic, emotionally-abusive, but tall) dud, I’m now seeing a gorgeous, kind, mentally-stable shortie :-)

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    • MissMin

      Love your thinking! :)

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    • Melsie

      Shorties are ok! ;)

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    • neola

      Most of my single friends who lament the man drought are quite tall – and I know several short guys who are begging me to introduce them to ‘just a nice girl’. But both groups miss out on potential relationships because of this notion that a man must be taller.

      I know Tom Cruise is a terrible example, but really, tall women should take a leaf out of Nicole’s book and give the little guys a chance – flats are much more comfortable than heels, anyway!

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  18. Lara

    My girlfriend had a list in her early thirties, tall, dark, handsome, hard body and lots of $$$$, in her late thirties she dropped the tall and dark, now still single in her mid 40″s all he needs to be is a nice bloke with a full set of teeth and a job…..

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  19. 36&Single

    I find it this entire subject very, very frustrating.

    I have no doubt that there are some women out there who are extraordinarily picky about the men they date. I suspect that the perfectly manicured woman who ordered a coffee before me this morning at my local cafe (she took 3 minutes detailing exactly how she’s like her coffee) is very particular on the type of man she’d marry (I didn’t see a ring).

    But, more often then not, it is my opinion that many single women over 30 just don’t meet enough single like-minded men. Maybe it’s geography. Maybe it’s the dreaded man drought. Or perhaps our demanding work and social lives are to blame. I don’t know. All I do know for sure is that the last time I was in a room with a bunch of men, there was just one single person present. And that was me.

    I desperately want to find love and have a family. I don’t have an explanation as to why I’m single, and I find it very frustrating trying to “validate my lifestyle” of single-dom. Truth is, I didn’t choose to be 36 and single. I never made a decision to forgo love and family for a chance at a banging career. Any relationship I’ve had has simply ended because it ran its course – nothing more, nothing less. And because none of those relationships made it to the Alter, I am single. There is no other reason.

    I know from past relationships what I like and what I don’t like in a mate, of course. I’m sure that my past relationships and previous love trysts influence my current dating choices (after all, isn’t it natural that our past influences our present?), and I know I must have some version of a “perfect man list” in my head as a result (perhaps it’s laying next to my “perfect LBD list” and “perfect job list”?). But, being a woman who has been madly in love before, I know very well what every woman who has ever fallen in love already knows: the “perfect man list” is often the first thing to be thrown out the window when you fall in love… quickly replaced by the “Mark list” (or whatever his name is).

    So I am single. Not because I want to be. Not because I’m choosy. Not because of a ridiculously high ideal. I just am. There’s no big meaning or cause, and I wish people would stop assuming there is. It’s just pouring salt on my single wounds.

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    • Jess in Melbourne

      I love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love this.

      Just love it.

      Perfect.

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      • L

        I love this too. I am so sick of people saying to me “Oh you’re single, why? What’s wrong with you?”. What’s wrong with me?!Why is it assumed to be my fault?!

        I have been single for a while, and I have to say I really give every guy a go. It does come down to chemistry though. I went on several dates with one guy who was such a friendly, decent person, a real gentleman, but there was something lacking that I couldn’t put my finger on. I probably dragged it on a bit too long becasue I thought he would grow on me. He didn’t, and I was just wasting both our time.

        It is getting harder to meet people the older I get. Gone are the Saturday nights spent out dancing and drinking with my friends as they are now married with kids. I have about 3 single friends left, and we just don’t go out as much as we used too.

        I have to say that even if you think the date has gone well, it doesn’t mean the guy is going to call! Guys are picky too.

        As a dear friend always says to me, dating is a numbers game. The more you date, the more luck you have. Shame it’s just so hard here in Sydney!

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        • Another Anon Guy

          The difficulty in dating depends on your age too. For women, they have many more options when they are younger, but the reverse is true for men.

          Many men can’t get a girlfriend to save their life when they’re in their early 20′s, but start getting in demand in their 30′s as they mature.

          People’s pickiness is usually in line with how much in demand they are. Its harder to lower your standards as your attractiveness falls though and remain happy with your relationship.

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        • Megs

          L, i absolutely HATE the “Oh why are you single” question too!!! It’s in the same category as “Oh, dont worry, you’ll find someone” or “It’ll happen, try not to think about it”. Um, thanks, i know it will happen, and I wasnt thinking about it, until YOU brought it up!!!
          At 24 it is so insulting, and draws my attention to the issue, making me dwell on being single, when in reality I’m quite happy with my single life and content with not settling for second best (which is what I did from ages 16 – 22).
          Sometimes I’ll just answer with “I just haven’t found HER yet” which shuts them up, as I’m straight.

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          • cmx

            The other answer to that question is “because I’m hideous, needy, annoying and high maintenance. Clearly.”

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    • CathyG

      If you read Bernard Salt’s book on “Man Drought”, it provides a very interesting analysis on why the ratios between available men and women change, especially when women reach their mid 30s. It also highlights “hot spots” as to where to find single, available men in their 30s and 40s. And from what I remember, they’re nowhere near metropolitan cities.

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    • Singleinoz

      I just wanted to also say a fabulous post!!

      I have been pondering my own post and couldn’t come up with the words – i want to say ditto to your post, thanks for writing it!

      I have never been in love and it is not for lack of trying, I am also sick of justifying my single status and I think some people do think I am picky but again they bring that out because the ask what sort of guy that i like – you asked I answered!)

      Hell I even tried to get a Mammia single ladies dating night off the ground! Suggesting MMers send along their single male friends!

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    • Sarah Harris

      I’m sorry! Was mostly just trying to be funny…..esp sharing my friend Laura’s experiences.
      I’m not sure what the answer is. I hope you find it. X

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      • 36&Single

        Your writing is fabulous, Sarah, and it was a great read. Cute and funny. I’m just adding my view-point (which is from a different angle) to the discussion… simply becuase I know I’m not the only girl who sometimes feels mistaken. And after reading through some of the posts…. I have to admit there’s a certain level of comfort knowing I’m not the only one! So thanks for the article…

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    • Karen

      Perfectly said. Well done. Sometimes there is nothing to say but “it is what it is”- people are always trying to find the ’cause’. Sometimes things dont work out- stop blaming me!

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  20. Another Anon Guy

    ‘How many of us have broken up with blokes, or backed out of second dates, for superficial and yes, picky reasons? He was too nice, he was too keen, he didn’t know the difference between “your” and ”you’re”, he listened to James Blunt, his laugh was annoying, he dyed his hair, he wore three-quarter denim shorts. Poor buggers never stood a chance. Irks? Yes. Deal-breakers? Maybe not.’

    I’ve been on the other side of this. When women screen for perfect, they can screen in a lot of players who’ve learnt through trial and error how to jump through women’s hoops. The guy is attractive, sure, but he’s not relationship material.

    I worry that some women that have been chasing attractive bad boys for too long will have such high standards for attraction that the good guys won’t stand a chance. Even if the girl does pick them it would drive a guy nuts if he found out that you weren’t as attracted to him as you were to Lance, the bike riding TV Producer.

    I do ok, but if my good guy friends ever became single in this dating market, I would really worry for them.

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    • Cait

      I have to agree with you about players jumping through hoops. Screening is not foolproof. I had a bloke press all the right ‘white picket fence’ buttons and more or less sweep me off my feet before i found out I was just his bit on the side.

      Needless to say the bloke is a jerkboy and who is a prime example of being able to jump through the hoops when feeling so inclined. I ignored a lot of nice guys at the time who would have been much more worthwhile.

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  21. lady

    I met Mr Lady (ha!) when I was 23. Honestly, I couldn’t have cared less about whether he had a good career or money or ambition. He was a Saturday-night DJ, y’all! COOL! Anyway, luckily for me he was also a lovely guy and over the years our life has moved from partying to getting hitched, having a baby and paying off a house. I look back on photos of him then though and… wow. He had long hair and looked a little unsavoury. I’m 30 now and wonder if I met him today whether I would have agreed to that date. Probably not. Which would be a shame, all things considered.

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  22. steph

    Whenever I feel disgruntled with my husband, which can be quite a lot, I play a game where I rate all the men I know on what they’d be like as a partner. I don’t think I’m overly picky or a man hater but my god there are a lot of duds out there.

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  23. BettyBoop

    I think all the girls I know want a helluva lot more than they have to offer. If you drive a bomb, earn $32K, are of average looks and don’t look after your physique, don’t expect to catch George Clooney. Problem is I know wayyy too many delusional female co workers, friends and family who think they have a god given right to the Batchelor of the year

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    • Jess in Melbourne

      Hi BettyBoop,

      You don’t know me. I’m Jess. Let’s just pretend we know each other now.

      I drive a brand new luxury car, earn 15-20K over the $32K you mentioned and this will go up $5-10 every year for the next half a decade at least. I am about to run a half marathon AND I would class myself as not a model, but above average in looks.

      I’m not after George Clooney. Or anywhere similar. I don’t have a list. I do go out to meet people regularly. And I’m single.

      Hate to shatter your stereotype but if it IS really true that all the girls you know are like that – I think that reflects on the amount of girls you know, rather than girls in general.

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      • BettyBoop

        Really Jess, did I apply what I said to every one, everywhere, because I can read and last time I checked, I didn’t, so get snarky all you like, but all you’ve managed to do is to bring a “my personal experience trumps yours” argument so congratulations you win the internet.

        Skitt’s law much?

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  24. JR

    I have a few single friends one is so picky! She lives in Sydney and wants the good on paper guy. He must be rich, tall, good looking. But he can’t need her too much but he doesn’t want him to be away from her. I do feel fo rher as I think she’s too caught up with some ideal that may or may not eventuate. She is gorgeous, has no end of dates but she’s never satisfied. She wants to be the princess and be swept away. I have tried to explain it may not be like that and maybe she should look further afield. She’s a great friend and she does entertain me with her dating exploits but I know she really wants to settle down. Sydney men (she states) are quite different to otehr men. It seems lots of conversing done by text message…. Many hours spent trying to read into what was text?! I guess I’ve been out of the game too long.

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    • green trees

      what is with texting?
      A single friend is always wanting me to listen to text messages and discuss what they mean. It drives me crazy. to start with you can use your phone to talk to people not just to text. give it a go, actually have a proper conversation, you’ll learn a lot more about each other that way. and for the ladies, stop over analysing everything that is said/emailed/texted. sometimes a text means exactly what is said, it’s not the Da Vinci code. I blame Sex and the City for this one, picking everything apart, finding fault with the smallest things. it’s exhausting and SO boring.

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  25. Michelle

    Love this article. AMEN! I found true love when I finally took the blinkers off. I’d love to anonymously send this to friends who are still clutching to their blinkers while crying that they can’t find a decent man.

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    • Singleinoz

      Rather than laughing behind your friends back or pitying your friends, have you actually tried help your friends out?

      I actually don’t know how to meet anyone anymore! I wish i had a chance to get picky. All my friends are hooked up and not interested in coming to the pub with me so i can even attempt to meet a man.

      Yes i probably could have written the above better but you know i am hurt and angry that none of my friends even attempt to help me. Hell I have had a few friends who have broken up with someone and requested a girls night out. I go but as soon as the get hooked up I am then looking for partners in crime :sigh:

      I am out there I don’t sit at home an mope – I am on rsvp and go speed dating and reach out to guy only to constantly get rejected.

      Hell i even gave my log in to a coworker who claimed i was too picky and said her go for it you reach out to guys and see what success you have, nadda. Great for the self esteme! But at least she tried to help so i thank her for that.

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      • Kateateight

        This is really interesting – I try not to ask my single friends too much about how it is going onthe dating front, because I don’t want to make a big deal about it.

        I would LOVE to go out with my single friends and help them meet guys – but I don’t think any of them want to.

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        • Singleinoz

          Thanks for thinking about – yes we can get a bit defensive to our smug married friends (meant that tongue in cheek!) my advice is next time they have a whinge take that as a chance to say “Is there anything I can do to help”

          The friend offering to troll rsvp was such a nice gesture!

          I had another friend offer to come speed dating with for moral support and the laugh (I suggested not as it was was a bit mean to get the guys hopes up).

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          • Another Anon Guy

            Good on you for passing on your friend’s offer. That would suck to get your hopes up for nothing with a girl.

            I’m sure girls would also hate a hot married guy taking his ring off and playing wingman to his single mates only to never call.

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          • Mel

            Sorry but since when are others responsible for your life? You sound like a spoilt brat having a tanty because noone will do the work for you.

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            • Melsie

              That’s a bit mean

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    • Bonnie

      LOL so true! I got to the end of the article and seriously considered sending it to a few people!

      I know it was those friends that probably questioned me when I took the blinkers off and fell for my lovely red headed, introverted, non drinker, non beach goer boyfriend… who also just happens to be the most solid, lovely, smart, funny, committed and sexy man I have ever met.

      GET THE BLINKERS OFF LADIES!

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  26. sbrf

    Absoultely.
    My friends are all single, and all picky.
    They snob guys off, they only pay attention to hot guys that are cheaters or happily single. They attract the bad ones, because of the way they portray themselves- which is rude.
    They need to lighten up and give some men a go.
    However, I then have one friend, that gives EVERYONE a chance, as she is very trusting and non-judgemental, and ends up being hurt constantly.
    So what I am saying is, to give the ones that may not be Ryan Gosling, but are kind, smart and warm. Just because he wears the strong shoes, or doesnt have a degree or isnt ‘cool’, doesnt mean that you wont have the best time.
    I nearly didn’t give my now boyfriend of 3 years a go, because i thought he was ‘too kind’, he opened car doors for me and texted me heaps, and i was put off by this (i know how stupid) he also wrote his texts using lots of slang and abbreviated words. However, 3 years in, and he is still the same, kind person i fell in love with…maybe his text message language has imrpoved slighty (haha).
    So all im saying is give people a go! You need know what you may find, or how you may end up being treated!

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    • sbrf

      Why cant i edit my post!! I wrote it in a rush, so it should be “wrong shoes” and ” you never know”

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  27. Becsy

    Have a look at dating sites. I love the euphemism “looking for a guy with ambition” what they really mean is looking for a guy to buy me shit.

    Also look at the single mothers who expect some guy with money to come along and be the perfect father and sweep her off her feet and she doesn’t then have to get that job she’s being dreading.

    The best though are the single mums who tick the no kids box in their must haves in other partners, because you know, it’s fine for her to have 3 from three guys, but she sure as hell doesn’t want some guy with a kid.

    Yeah, I think us ladies might have to bite the bullet on this one and just concede that there is one area in the world where we might actually be worse than men

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    • Susan As Well

      Yep. Take a look at the dating sites and put your name on it. My email inbox has fairly exploded at times. Man shortage??

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    • reb

      What is with the single mum bashing?

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      • Abbi

        Favourite past time it would seem! Don’t generalise, I’m a single mother who would be happy with any male taking an interest in me! In fact I’d prefer a man with kids – less chance of him wanting to impregnate me.

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    • elle

      Why are you hating so much? So un-necessary and rude! You don’t know anything about these women so why judge them?? Urgh can’t believe how bitchy you are being !

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  28. Susan As Well

    Single ladies aren’t too picky … they just know they can earn their own money now, own their own property, have children on their own if they want to. The bar has been raised and men just haven’t “got it” yet.

    Instead of telling the ladies to lower their standards, turn it on its head, tell the guys to buck up or they gonna miss out on great women. The world will be a much nicer place for everyone.

    As for shortage of men? Scare tactics. Who cares? If there’s a guy out there worthy of your attention and caring, you’re gonna find him when you do.

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    • Haven Maven

      I heart you.

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      • Susan As Well

        I heart you back.

        I think we women are over the “I’ll swap my intelligence and wellbeing for domestic slavery so I can have kids” arguments and all the other BS fed to us to encourage us to marry, well, anyone!

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        • Sarah

          Amen, sister.

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        • MickyMoo

          So with you! I recently broke up with my boyfriend of five years who was ‘brilliant on paper’ but something was lacking and I couldn’t put my finger on what- I just was not completely happy. He was just about to propose, the cowardly thing would have been to stay with him but I believe life begins at the end of your comfort zone and so I risked it and left. I found someone else almost straight away- coincidence or fate? Ypu trll me- I am happier than I have been in years. As for the man shortage- what man shortage???? Men need to step it up if they want a great women and if you are perpetually single have a good long look at yourself and what you can offer and make yourself the best person you can!

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          • Anonymous

            Your comment really interested me. Im 22 and have been with my bf for 3 years and he is perfect on paper too. And i do love him. He treats me amazingly, would be a perfect husband and father and literally would walk to the end of the earth if he thought thats what would make me happy. I have just always had this teeny tiny instinct that he isnt the one, (i had it with my last bf aswell… but he was an a-hole i was completely head over heels in love with). I sometimes feel like maybe i should break if off because i have this tiny instinct but other times i feel like i would be the dumbest woman in the would to let this amazing, sweet, attractive, kind man go and i could potentially end up like the women in this article 30, desperate and alone and regretting letting such an awesome guy go. Its just hard to tell whats real and whats not and whether i should trust this instinct or appreciate the fact i already have an amazing guy.

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        • Anonymous

          Couldn’t have said it better myself.. It’s the lazy men who need to meet our standards by lifting their game..

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  29. Frankie

    *Those are the only statistics that I consider reliable.

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  30. Haven Maven

    Geez…..have I lowered my standards?
    See below former dealbreakers…
    Dated bloke with back hair
    Dated bloke who wore Acca Dacca t shirts
    Dated bloke ‘cos he was pretty but dumb as box of hair’
    Dated bloke to see if the choclate myth was true (saucer of milk, table for one..)

    What do I need to lower my standards to – wallet and pulse??

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    • cmx

      Be careful what you wish for. I dated a 30-something who used a Superman wallet. Not a deal breaker in and of itself… but after dating for a few months it became clear that it was a good clue to his maturity level.

      I have to ask – chocolate myth?

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      • Em

        But did he have a single bed superman doona? ha ha

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  31. Amy

    Unfortunately, I don’t have much of a choice. Being a committed Christian I have decided to only date other Christians and as such, that’s pulled my already limited pool downwards. Honestly, all I want is a guy who loves God and who can make me laugh and is into me. But all the Christian guys I know are either taken or not interested in me… So… yeah. I don’t think I’m too picky.

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    • Emma

      Just because a person isn’t Christian doesn’t mean they aren’t a good person. Maybe you are being too picky..

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      • Anonymous

        Did I say that anyone who isn’t Christian isn’t a good person?

        I have plenty of friends who aren’t Christians and I have fallen for guys who weren’t Christian, I just want to date someone and grow toward God WITH them.

        Also, I don’t think it’s particularly fair if I go out with a guy who doesn’t believe in staying celibate until marriage (which I do) and essentially force him to stay celibate until marriage. That isn’t fair.

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      • Kathy

        Emma – It’s all about beliefs. I would never date an atheist. Of course just because they’re not a Christian doesn’t mean they’re not a good person – it’s just that committed Christians have non-negotiable belief systems that non-Christians find tricky to navigate – like celibacy and attending Church regularly. It helps immensely if they share your beliefs.
        Amy – I’m with you. I’ve been on the Christian Connections dating site and left empty handed. No one on that site lives remotely close to me (nearest was Bendigo and I’m about 600km away from there!)
        Good luck with your search – he will come along!

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        • Amy

          Thanks Kathy!

          Yeah, I’m only 21 so I’m not too concerned… just over being single, haha. :D

          Oh btw, the anon up there is me. I forgot to write my name in there :)

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        • Kris2040

          Why would being with a non-Christian stop you from being celibate till you’re married or from attending Church when you want to? If you’re into each other, surely you can both compromise?

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          • Kathy W

            Don’t know how you can compromise on celibacy, Kris!

            I’ve been with non-Christians in the past and it’s an uphill battle sometimes. They can get really resentful and the clash of values is often overwhelming. I’m sure other faiths have similar issues.

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            • Kris2040

              I’m not suggesting a middle ground on celibacy, but surely if you’re compatible you having a strong belief about no sex before marriage can be offset with something else?
              There are plenty of other things you can do without actually doing the deed, too. There’s plenty of room to move, I’d suggest.

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      • Samara

        Agree.

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    • elle

      Go to heaps of church events, join the multitude of Christian organisations that exist!

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  32. maybedaisy

    I was forever dating the wrong boys in high school, being cheated on at every turn. In a moment of defiance I raised my standards sky-high and wrote myself a check-list:

    1. Must be better looking than Brad Pitt in Thelma and Louise;
    2. Must not attend the Ute Muster.

    Of course, no one could meet these requirements so I hung up my dating boots. UNTIL, out of absolutely nowhere, I fell in love with a woman. What transpired was a deep, passionate affair that would make Christian Grey blush. The relationship ended but remains under my skin in such a way that I am stained. Falling in love like that is a heart-pumping business and once it’s happened to you, anything less just seems… meh.

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    • LizM

      ha ha ha at your #2 … granted there is a ‘feral element’ to some of those that go! but I can’t tar them all with the same brush – some very lovely boys do go to that event … but I may be biased to country boys :)

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    • janellec68

      Love your comment # 2. A deal-breaker for me would be those stainless steel scrotums that hang off tow-bars, or lots of spotlights & aerials on a ute. It may be judgemental, but I could pretty much guarantee we won’t have anything in common.
      You don’t need to give them all a chance if you just don’t feel the spark. Without the spark you only have a friend.

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    • Cassidy

      Hahaha I’m from Deni and 100% agree with point number two. Damn frigger ferals!

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  33. ashamasha

    - we buy shoes and bags because we’re insecure and have bad body image
    - we’re aborting multiple births because it ‘doesn’t fit our lifestyle’
    - female entitlement mentality
    - older women having children are a drain on the health system
    - so-called ‘mummy wars’
    - we ‘hate’ delta because of tall poppy syndrome and jealousy (quick! call Samantha Brick!)

    now we’re told we’re too picky about the blokes, ….

    sheesh! give a girl a break! ENOUGH.

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  34. Look

    “take the blinkers off”….I totally agree with that. Beauty can come in unusual packaging. If you’re looking for one version of it, you may miss out. Same goes for either gender.

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  35. Kate

    I think the outrage to the comment was less about whether he had a point in that women are picky, and more to do with it being another example of the church telling everyone how to live again. It instills the idea that if women are unmarried and single they are miserable (and it’s our fault because we are picky). Not always the case. The church still hasn’t come to terms with the fact that people can live happily outside their social standards.

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  36. Jenni

    It’s Reese not Reece! Sorry. Hate spelling errors lol.

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    • Sarah Harris

      Ah, sorry Jenni!

      Thanks for picking up. x

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  37. Sarah

    Single girls looking for successful, well off, sporty guys. Get on a plane to Perth.

    It’s one big dude ranch over here.

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    • speccygirl

      I have actually heard that rural and semi rural areas are the place to find a bloke as a lot of them are working in various trades related to farming and so on – whereas women are more drawn to the city…

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      • Natalia

        Agreed! My friend had to move to a rural town for work. She’s now very happy with her significant other, who’s a farmer. She’s making him a tractor cake for his birthday as we speak.

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      • Lulu

        Rural? I don’t think I could deal – I’ve been a city person my whole life, so it would be serious fish-out-of-water time.

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    • maybedaisy

      Apparently all the single boys live in Nar Nar Goon. If you’re familar with Gippsland, Victoria, you’ll know how funny that is.

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  38. Anonymous

    Friggen hell, here we go again. Blame the ladies. Not enough men, jeez well it was the woman that gave birth to too many females.

    I mean wow, let’s all take relationship advice from the church, because that’s worked super well in the past.

    And one more point if people settled for someone who they aren’t compatible with divorce rates will sky rocket, if a laugh annoys you on a first date, by god it’ll drive you to murder after 10 years.

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    • Jess88

      I wonder if that defense would hold up in court?
      “I bludgeoned my husband to death with a frypan because I couldn’t handle that damn donkey bray of his any longer!”

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      • Rebecca

        It should! One day soon I’m going to stab a girl I work with because she has an annoying high pitched laugh. It wouldn’t be so bad if she didn’t think every single thing was hilarious. I think it should be classed as justifiable homicide.

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  39. Yeah!

    I’m single and I don’t think I’m too picky. I just want to be in love and to be loved back. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

    I’ve tried dating guys I have luke-warm feelings for hoping something would ‘develop’, but it never did. When it’s not there, it’s not there. You can’t fake it. You just have to be patient. and wait for the real thing to come long.

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    • Elizabeth.

      Exactly. I went out for a fella for 3 and a bit years that I liked but wasn’t in love with. On paper he was perfect. A perfectly lovely person. But no chemistry or grrrrr factor. I know that goes or dies after a while but you are only looking for trouble if they fire wasn’t there in the first place. I could of married him, had a couple kids and had the white picket fence lifestyle. But there was no passion…I didn’t even have thoughts about him that way.

      Why did I go out with him? Because it all seemed grown up. I was 25 years old at the time and I was sick of boys who were immature and seemed to be stuck at uni forever. I was working at the time and I wanted someone who was on the same page as me. So I went out with him but I felt this overwhelming nagging feeling that something wasn’t right. It wasn’t him or me….he just didn’t do it for me. People say some people can grow on you but you could be waiting a very long time for that. I tried. I really tried. But it just wasn’t working. I could of married as I said but I would of only been tempted to have an affair and hurt him. So I ended it after 3 and half years. We just weren’t clicking in that area.

      The chemistry HAS to be there otherwise it won’t work. You are in a relationship with a sexual element in it. You have to have that attraction. Your not shagging your best mate you went to high school with. Your deluding yourself if you think it’s not important. It is.

      So I’m 38. I have had a series of short term casual relationships and that has been fine. I have had a good time and I know now what real passion is – at least sexually….and YES that is important…that ISN’T shallow – I’m SO glad I have experienced that. I have fallen in love unrequitedly (sorry…if that makes sense?) and that left my heart broken for a number of years (long story there). So here I am. I don’t care if it takes me a number of years to find someone who is right for me because I know what it feels like when it isn’t right.

      I could have a relationship with someone who I know has feelings for me…but I have spent alot of time with that person and his conversation skills are poor – he isn’t very articulate and he just grunts most of the time. I really need someone who I can have a conversation with. Most of my friends think I’m mad – one person even asked ‘what did I want???’. Well…not him. The reason my relationship with my ex lasted so long was because of the great conversations we had.

      So there…that’s my rant.

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      • Yeah!

        Thanks for commenting on my comment.

        I agree there’s nothing worse than that sinking feeling when you’re dating someone ‘nice’ but you know you’re just not crazy about them. It’s depressing.

        I don’t think holding out for someone you’re in love with is being ‘too picky’.

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        • Elizabeth

          Exactly. It took up alot of my time and energy…I would look at other couples with envy and wish I could have what they have.

          Also…you wonder why the divorce rate is so high. I wonder how many caved in and settled?? or wanted a life stage rather than thinking what they REALLY want?

          I really hate it when people so…’oh yes…but passion goes away after a while’…to me that is just as patronising as saying there are plenty of other fish in the sea…blah blah blah….

          So…I have decided not to buy into or get bullied by this picky bullshit. I will not die and wither away if I don’t get married or have kids. It is NOT a fate worse than death. I have lots of lovely memories to keep me happy ;-)

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      • Another Anon Guy

        Look, I understand what you ladies are saying, but you should know that if you value chemistry so much, you open up men leaving if they don’t have their chemistry either.

        So if your man loses sexual attraction to you as you get older or become more of a boring mother than an exciting wife, is he allowed to leave and find the ‘chemistry’ he needs with someone else?

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        • Faybian

          She’s talking about no real chemistry to begin with. If you don’t have any really initially, what you will end up with is probably revulsion at his touch eventually. In the single stage you’re not obligated to anyone. When you’re married, you are, so your arguement doesn’t really hold up.

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  40. ABC123

    Well maybe this wasn’t the best time to break up with my boyfriend of 7 years. Ha. I guess I will be a lonely old spinster because I am not willing to settle for anything less than knowing that I want to spend the rest of my life with the person I marry.

    I pushed my feelings of doubt and guilt down for a long time and tried to create the most perfect life I could with this person. But now that I have realised that these feelings don’t/won’t just go away I know I have been true to myself for the first time in a long time.

    I will be quite happy to settle for a poor, short, fat guy as long as he makes me laugh and in my heart I know he is the one I want to be with forever. All the superficial stuff doesn’t matter when you meet the one you are meant to be with.

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    • Sam

      Are you me????

      I just broke up with my ex of six years, knowing the whole time he wasn’t The One, but trying oh so hard to make it so. Two months later I have met the man of my dreams, who is the complete opposite of my ex, but so perfect for me. Although I have regrets about staying for so long, I know I wouldn’t have met my current guy unless all those moons were aligned and we both became single and started looking at the same time.

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      • ABC123

        Haha, maybe. Except we only broke up like a week ago.

        I don’t regret being with him either. I was happy and we had a lot of good times. But there was always this voice inside that was telling me it wasn’t quite right.

        Good luck with your new relationship. I hope thats me one day, but for now I know I need to stand on my own two feet for a while. :)

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        • Alice

          Well done for taking the plunge now!! Better now than later – you have so many exciting, joyous times ahead of you!!

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          • abc123

            Wow thank you. I hope so!!
            I have been blown away by the support I have gotten from friends and family actually. :)

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            • sbrf

              Well done!! True happiness is out there. After breaking up with my boyfriend or many years, several months later i also found someone so opposite, but may better off for me. It is funny what we can find, when we let go of something that we try to make perfect.

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            • abc123

              Cant seem to reply below but this is to sbrf’s comment. Thank you all for replying. I truly didn’t expect it, but it does make me feel better about what I have done and that following your heart/head/gut is always the right thing to do. Best wishes to all of you. You have truly made me smile today.

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          • Alice

            ABC I was in a similar position to you a few years ago – utterly gutted when I broke up with my parter of 6 years.

            I then met the most divine, beautiful man, who was so different from my ex. When I was with my ex I thought he was the most perfect human ever created – but with the new man I discovered all these incredible qualities which are now non-negotiables for me, and which I now realise I couldn’t have a sustainable relationship without.

            So much fun and excitement ahead – keep positive…and keep us updated!

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      • MickyMoo

        Just like me! Broke up after five years because something was just missing- we were about to get engaged and everything. He was and still is a fantastic guy just perhaps not the one for me. I met someone almost immediately and I am just so happy- I now wish I had ended it sooner but I didn’t out of fear and because there was nothing really ‘wrong’ with the relationship. This makes me wonder how many people do settle- I feel sorry for those people who have settled and gone on to get married- I guess they end up feeling trapped in their relationships. Be brave, believe in yourself and demand more- know your worth and don’t accept less- men need to step it up if they want a great woman. Being too picky? That is just another way of saying settle for mediocre. No Thankyou! Sorry but I deserve more and by risking it all I have found it!
        I also want to say be honest with yourself- what can you offer and bring to a relationship? Your level of aesthetic attractiveness also matters believe it or not when it comes to dating. I think we all need to work on ourselves in all areas- be a person you would want to date!

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    • Aims

      I think it’s really terrible and selfish of people to stay in relationships for 6 or 7 years when they’ve always known deep down it wasn’t right, who then just leave to find happiness – imagine what that’s done to the person who they wasted years of their life!

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  41. AJ

    I think many women are too picky and as a lot of commenters below have stated they just want far more than they actually can offer themselves. If you’re a 7 then you aint gonna snag a 9, that’s just the way it is, don’t blame any one for a man drought, just be realistic

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    • Melsie

      What makes a 7, or a 9? This numbers thing is just bizzare to me

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  42. No blinkers

    I always said I wouldn’t go out within someone who :
    Had kids
    Been married before
    Didn’t have a job
    Didn’t have a house
    Had Tattoos
    Well what do you know!!! I got set up on a blind date after a string of disaster “good on paper” guys and met “the One” who had all of the above! He lived in a tent was unemployed and had been divorced with kids and tatts up his arm!! But we didn’t stop talking and there were reasons for the above!
    10 years and 3 extra kids later we are very happy!! We laugh about it now and love telling how we met!!
    After meeting me he got a job moved in to rented accom and then 12 weeks later we lived together and the 4 months later were engaged!!
    You just got to give it a go!!!!

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    • Fi

      Well done. Ace story! I come from an academic kind of bunch and met a chef who btw is smarter than a lot of folks I know. Now my dad is super happy his son-in-law (without the in law) can source him excellent smelly cheeses and teach him how to carve meat. Takes all kinds. Happiness reigns supreme.

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  43. speccygirl

    I think the problem is that the men are picky – not the women!!!

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    • speccygirl

      EVERY case and individual is different of course – but I have found that both men and women seem to be waiting until they themselves are perfect before they find “the one”. I don’t recommend this in every case, but in my personal experience sometimes issues can be worked out within the relationship. Actually having someone can give you the courage to work things out – but each party has to be willing to make changes and, sadly, that’s not always the case.

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  44. Laws for Clouds

    The single ladies I know very rarely go on dates, they don’t get the chance to be picky!

    My husband wasn’t good on paper when we met. He worked as a storeman and drove a shit car and lived at home. I was a manager at my job and studying at uni. Twelve years later his stock is up – he’s a highly paid professional and drives a company car. Hell, he has stock! Mine is down – I’m unemployed at home with three kids and my car has smell.

    What keeps us together isn’t the superficial, it’s that we share similar values. Neither of us is one-eyed about anything, which has always been my deal breaker. A political party supporter, atheist or music lover who won’t listen to any other view means they probably hold some other, more personal views they are just as one-eyed about that probably don’t match mine.

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    • May!

      “he drives a company car … my car has smell”

      This actually made me laugh out loud. Brilliant.

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  45. carlymac

    My partner is barely an inch taller than me, frustratingly stubborn and hopeless when it comes to fixing things around the house, three things that, five years ago I would have said were deal breakers.
    He is also hilariously funny, sweet, endlessly supportive, hardworking, playful and has the cutest squishy cheeks you’ve ever seen on an adult. I just hire someone to fix things for me…

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    • Sarah Harris

      My boyfriend is like a 60 year old man in a 33 year old’s body.
      He is a neat freak, tucks his shirt into everything, always listens to AM in the car and still uses handkerchiefs.

      I adore him. Quirks and all.

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      • Alexa

        He sounds like my husband, and what I called an “unclaimed treasure”.

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        • Melsie

          Oh, I just love that saying!

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  46. Jess in Melbourne

    I call absolutely BULLSHIT on this article. And every article suggesting women are too picky.

    Society and people are complex. So you know what? There are some men AND women that are too picky. And some that aren’t picky enough. And the majority of us are slap bang in the middle.

    So why, when there is a ‘shortage of men’ is it always the WOMEN’S fault?

    I am not too picky. I have absolutely no rules. No even them being taller than me. And I’m coming up to (in a few years) a whole decade of adulthood with no serious (beyond a few months) relationship. I’ve never lived with a guy, gone on a holiday with a guy, said I love you to a guy…

    If the odds are stacked against me it is obviously going to be harder to find a guy. That’s not my fault – it’s just MATHS.

    And if I’m meant to be lamenting that forgive me, because I’m just not going to. I’m a bit too busy out there living the rest of my life. The personal goals, the career, the family and friends, the holidays/travel solo if need be. And until it happens to me (IF it does) I will still roll my eyes at the “my life has SOOO much more meaning now” calls to Richard Mercer on Love Song Dedications. Because life is beautiful. And no lack of a guy is going to change that.

    Much love to all singles and partnereds.

    xx

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    • Anonymous

      I LOVE this post!! Absolutely brilliant and I share and agree with all of your thoughts!!

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      • Sheila

        Loooooooooooove this! I am in exactly the same position as you and you’ve articulated everything I was thinking, so thanks!

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    • Another Anon Guy

      The shortage of men is a shortage of eligible men. To be considered eligible the man needs to earn more than $60k for instance, while the women don’t.

      The original reference was saying ‘there is a shortage of men like this, so if you want men like this you might be better off lowering your standards to increase your odds’.

      There is a limited supply of the men that most women demand. So some women will miss out (as will all the men who didn’t make the grade). It’s simple economics.

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  47. Marty

    I’m not a catholic. I am, in fact, an atheist, but it is in my experience that women are too picky. I struggle, personally, to find work. It’s not for lack of trying, and at the moment I’m studying a uni degree to improve my chances of holding a career in something I’m passionate about. But I haven’t got much money. I’m 28 years old and terribly underskilled and overexperienced in hospitality.

    Why am I 28 and have done virtually nothing with my life? No one stops to find out, no one cares, they just tell me to grow up and stop being a no hoper. However, I do have special circumstances that make life harder for me than others, but it doesn’t make me a douchebag. I’m a decent guy, and I’ve been in relationships where women HAVE given me a shot because I am a nice guy.

    But finding out I have Autism, they then decide they don’t want Autistic kids, or they think I should “man up and get over it, and do something with my life.” Well, I ain’t exactly doing nothing here – I’m studying hard, journalism. I got my first article published the other day, but I didn’t get paid for it.

    And I have other traits that annoy women. I don’t much care for money, and they don’t like that because it means I don’t particularly want more than I need. I don’t have a car, because I’ve never felt a need for one, and it would cost money I don’t need.

    In my experience, women don’t want to get to know people, they want to meet Mr Perfect and know that he is Mr Perfect from their first impression of him. It’s not always the case, but judging by the rarity by which I encounter women that do want to get to know people, I can only assume that my chances are slim. So personally, I’ve stopped trying.

    But I can agree with the Catholics on this – many women are too picky. Maybe not in the way they meant, but maybe in a way they don’t realise. Maybe, the good that I see in everyone is an isolated phenomenon, and I’m the only person that experiences it. Maybe I’m just naive. Either way, the last woman I was with, who left me with the reason that she wouldn’t want to have kids with Asperger’s, like what I have, it was heartbreaking. It was a year ago, and it still hurts. And I don’t want to feel that way again, so I won’t be bothering again, it’s as simple as that for me.

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    • Anonymous

      Wow, what an interesting story. I wish you all the best, but if you’re treated like that you are better on your own.
      Question: because you have Autisim will your children have it?

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      • Marty

        Not necessarily, but maybe I’m the guy that Charles Darwin was talking about, the weak amongst the chaff, struggling every step of the way but getting no where for it because the world just moves to fast for me. I can understand why a woman would want to know that the man she is with won’t need her to take care of him, but why does that have to mean he must be rich? Financially stable – sure, I’m financially stable, I can look after myself, but I’m not rich. I don’t want to be rich. I have the money I need, and that’s enough for me.

        Why do I have to have a good job? Is it enough that I’m on my way to achieving still, regardless of my age? Probably not, and Darwin would say I’m falling behind the strong. That I didn’t make the cut for natural selection. Maybe, I’d be prepared to accept that if it was true, but what about the fact that I’m a genius? I don’t mean to blow my own horn, but I am very intelligent. Do people still consider this to be an important attribute for the human race to require?

        I’m not afraid of children with autism, because I know about it, understand it better for having been through it. There is more that I could do for my children than anyone could have ever been expected to do for me, but most of the time, I’m as outcast as I am isolated, which becomes a cycle: the more I’m rejected from society, the more I want to isolate myself from it.

        Yes, I do believe I am better off on my own, all of my experience so far has led me to believe that trying to find love is a moot point these days, because it always seems to be conditional. That might not be such a problem if the conditions were based around whether or not you could like/love a person based on who they were, but that is rarely the case these days, and far too often, people seem to expect that they can make me into who they want me to be. People expect things from me that I’m simply not capable of right now. Better not to be expected off, and sooner or later I’ll be freelancing as a journalist all around the world – my younger brother is learning photography, and says he wants to join me. I would let him.

        You know what really sucks, though? I’m completely honest. I’ve never had a one night stand. I’ve had eight sexual partners, but I only slept with them because I was foolish enough to believe that I might actually mean something to them, as they did to me. Eight times I’ve tried, and eight times I’ve been fooled. You might think I should see the next one coming, and if I was a cat, I would only have one life left.

        I have never cheated on, or lied to, any of these women. I never would, never could. The thing that sucks the most is I’ve felt the full force of how much love I am capable of, and it took me completely by surprised. When all is said and done, I probably will be fooled again one day, because I just can’t help the fact that there is a lot of love in me, and call me naive, but I think everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, a chance to be someone to me, and me to them. I just don’t know how that’s going to happen, though, considering that I may find it easy to love or like people, but I find it terribly hard to trust anyone anymore.

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        • Marty

          I may also just be being a drama queen because I’m a sorry-arse lonely autistic guy with a handful of close friends and family who all live many miles away so we never get to hang out, and my life at the moment entails studying as hard as I can, and a couple of hours of internet socialising and television a day. I like Top Gear, I put my writing down for that show.

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        • janellec68

          Marty, that was an awesome comment. It’s interesting to hear about it from your perspective. Good on you for being so honest with your dates. I’m sure lots of kids with ASD (and their worried parents) would love to read what you have to say about life as an adult with these issues.

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  48. Miss_C

    I lost a very very very dear friend to cancer and that changed my life! The things I used to deem important seemed so stupid and things that used to bother me didn’t seem to any more. 3 months after she died in walks my partner of now 7 years with one darling son and no 2 almost here life is just about poerfect, we have no money, live in rented accom but we are happy. We really do need to take our blinkers off and see people for what and who they truly are inside and NOT what they can give or do for us etc which is the main issue I think. People are so focused on image and material things and lifestyle etc that the basics and fundamentals are being forgotten.

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  49. Me

    I think its all about the chemistry and that ‘certain something’ with someone not about anything else. My last bf had red hair and wore the most horrible shoes to our first date, but somehow he had me hooked from the start. I am now newly single (yes, that worked out well) and have been on a date and as lovely as the guy was, i just didn’t feel that chemistry and i don’t think that can grow from my end (and yes, his shoes did annoy me and so did his spelling and grammar, but that wouldn’t matter so much if we did have the right ‘something’!)

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  50. Emms

    I think a lot of my girlfriends are way too picky for what they are or for what they offer. Most of them are in low level jobs and have average looks but they seem to think they are entitled to Ryan Gosling with Chris hemsworth’s body and Donald Trump’s money. I just bite my tongue, what am I gonna say? You are poor and ugly, stick within your means.

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    • Alice

      I’m going to be a total bitch and add to this. I have a number of single women at my work who are aging quickly, have lank, dirty hair, wear no make up, eat utter crap and never exercise and therefore are distinctly unattractive. Some of them are quite sweet, some are negative nancy’s who whinge about everything (jeez, I’m really going to town!). They all lament about being single.

      The thing is – they could be the most incredible, kind, funny, intellegent women – but if I’m a man (on the train, at a bar, at a bbq), why am I ever going to choose them, of all the other women on the train or at the party, to go up and speak to? If I were a man I wouldn’t take the time to talk to them, because whilst I might be looking for my soul mate – I also want to be attracted to her.

      In addition, how much will someone love, respect and value you, if you don’t love, respect and value yourself by taking care of your health and appearence?

      In short, I think you get back what you put in. You want to attract gold standard, be gold standard. Otherwise eat friend food and whinge about why Ryan Gosling never notices you.

      I’m now going to go punch myself in the face for being a heinous person.

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    • Anonymous

      Excuse me! I don’t think I’m entitled to “Ryan Gosling with Chris hemsworth’s body and Donald Trump’s money”. Just Ryan Gosling with Ryan Gosling’s body and Ryan Gosling’s money.

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