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Author and inspiration: Sam de Brito

Growing up, I was never taught much about becoming a ‘man’.

At school, the girls were ushered into a separate classroom most weeks to talk about their changing bodies and impending womanhood. But us young fellas were only ever thrown into the gym ad-hoc to talk awkwardly with our sports teacher about deodorant and erections. It was never about becoming a better bloke: emotions, relationship, masculinity or being a good mate – just to name a few characteristics.

So, looking back, it’s no surprise that adolescence caught me off guard.

Before I could even get my head around what was happening, it arrived. My brain shifted gears and things started to grow, drop and shrink. But it wasn’t just physical: the simplicity of being a young kid quickly disintegrated, and questions around alcohol, drugs and relationships appeared.

On episode thirteen of Mamamia, I spoke about how influential Sam de Brito’s work has been in the construction of my identity.

The reason: I believe that de Brito is one of the very few Australian men who is prepared to tackle our blokey culture that’s renowned for men burying their blues in beer. Emotions? Piss off.  Depression? Nope. Fight with a mate? She’ll be right.

de Brito is having the conversations about manhood that we all should have had at fifteen. He is a writer who’s educating the next generation of Australian men about how to become better blokes by confronting and discussing life’s realities. In two of his most recent novels, The Lost Boys and Hello Darkness, we follow the Australian everyman Ned Jelli. It’s a painfully honest narrative of mateship, love and family that showcases the numerous black holes boys can fall into when becoming men.

(Parents: if your son’s over fifteen, buy The Lost Boys for them. If money’s tight, get your local library to stock it. Once they’ve finished, it’s your turn. Get past the swear words and get caught up in the content. If this is the first and last book you can get your hormonal time bomb of a teenager to sit down and read, they’ll be all the better for it.)

But why did it take a book to teach me a range of fundamental lessons?

Most fathers of men from Generation Y come from a world where the words depression and alcoholism were best left unsaid. Acknowledging either of them would be admitting to weakness, and for any man of that era, that would be the ultimate sin. Talking about emotions isn’t often their strong point either.

And mums? Well they’re the closest things we have to a free counselor. But we (read: me) often only realise this after the adolescence bump. For most of our teenage years, mums are just a relentless ball and chain tied around our feet constantly pulling us back to reality with questions about what we’re doing, where we’re going and why. We hear it, we absorb it, but we ignore it. We shouldn’t.

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Growing up, de Brito’s was a voice that I’d never heard before. It was one big refreshing and exciting slap in the face. I learned that blokes don’t have to speak in short grunts, and sharing emotional and complex perspectives doesn’t threaten your masculinity.

We read about the rise in binge drinking and party drugs in Generation Y. In my experience the reason is simple: some blokes just want to escape their own realities.  I believe that over generations Australian men have been encouraged to become more open, but then not taught about how to deal with our own internal dialogue.

So, when it gets too hard and you want it to shut up, some smother it in amphetamines and alcohol – a vicious and dangerous cycle. Many others fall into a spiral of depression.

This is an easily avoidable reality, with a simple solution.

Young men need to be taught about depression, alcoholism, drug addiction and relationships from a young age. It can’t be just one school lesson and a homework worksheet, all in order to tick off a few compliance boxes.

We need to have these ‘big issue’ conversations every day of their lives: at home, at school, at the playground and then inevitably at the pub. And we need to be taught about the tools that prevent, diagnose and assist in the recovery of these common illnesses.

We need to know all these things because it’s likely that someone you know – your mate, your brother, your son, or your partner – will experience at least one of these scenarios.

When it happens, we need to be prepared and know how to help each other and ourselves.

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Some will have read up to this point and be screaming ‘first world problem’; they’ll claim ‘look, another inner-city white fella is winging about how hard life is.’ Well guess what? The failure to have these honest conversation about manhood has the potential to affect every bloke, mother, sister, and lover in this country – regardless of where they’re from, who they are or what they do.

So, the next time you’re sitting down with a young bloke that’s in your life, ask him the tough questions and help prepare him for manhood.

His reaction to your honesty might surprise you.

Here’s the clip of Sean talking about this subject, with Sam on the panel of Mamamia:

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  1. Tiffany

    I haven’t read this book yet but as a secondary teacher (in health & PE) I think it could possibly be a turning point in the way that I teach and support my students through this phase in their life.

    I know for a fact that some of my students are starting lose their way and I have been struggling with myself as I haven’t been able to fully understand what is happening. Hopefully after I read ‘the lost boys’ I will be able to help them shape their own identity and truly work out who they are.

    Thank you so much for sharing your story and making me aware of what could be going on in my student’s lives at the moment.

    T xx

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  2. Lisa

    Love it.

    My 15 year old son has gone from compliant angel to demon overnight. I”m heading out to buy this book.

    Its refreshing to have an Australian male write in such a non-nonsense style that suits the culture of our communitiy.

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  3. Bee

    just read this, interesting. My son is not quite 10 and I have ‘filed’ this info. Daughter not quite 18 and so I know lots of stories about the boys she has been to school with an what kinds or people they are.Thanks Mia et al for including an article about teenagers. I have thought before that you could balance out the pre/early childhood stories with ones about children growing up.

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  5. picardie.girl

    Thank you so much, Sean, for writing this. I am not a parent, but I am a partner, to a good man who has had decent, but not ideal, role models. I sent it to him and he promptly went to the library and borrowed Sam’s book.

    It’s so important for men to talk about these things – and most importantly, to talk to EACH OTHER. So many men seem to only speak to their partners about anything emotional or deep. He needs to be able to talk to someone other than me. I hope your article, and Sam’s book, will open that door for him and his friends.

    xx PG

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  6. Abby

    I read ‘the lost boys’ a couple of years ago and loved it. It is so insightful, gut-wrenchingly honest, confronting. It’s heavy, heavy stuff, and I completely understand why some people would find it difficult to stomach, but I firmly believe that it is well worth a read.

    I wish I could say I’ve never known the Ned Jelli type of bloke that Sam de Brito writes about, but I have. I find it hard to imagine anyone reading ‘the lost boys’ and thinking that Ned Jelli is a total legend, but perhaps I’m naive.

    It is a book that sits on my shelf and one I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend to anyone. I’ll definitely be flicking it in the direction of my boys once they’re old enough.

    Sean, thanks so much for writing this, Mum’s and Dad’s can learn so much from guys like you – looking forward to seeing more from you.

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    • powersoz

      G’day Abby, thanks for the comment. Yep, I agree with everything you’ve written. That’s the best thing about books – we can all take away different stuff. Look forward to writing more, and hopefully you reading it! Cheers.

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  7. Joey

    I have not read The Lost Boys, but recently read Hello Darkness.
    Although I enjoyed it, I also found it very disturbing, I don’t see how the book could have a positive impact.
    If anything all I can imagine is that it could be read by some guys as giving them an unhappy misognist role model.
    The characters just have no respect and don’t reflect any of the guys I know.

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    • powersoz

      Hi Joey, thanks for the taking the time to comment. I think the best bit about this book is that it can have a positive impact by exploring the negative elements of being a ‘lost boy’.

      I reckon you’d struggle to find anyone who has finished either book and wanted to become Ned Jelli. Very few people are prepared to admit to their failures, and in this case, we all have the ability to learn from his mistakes.

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      • Joey

        I think that you are about 50,000 times smarter than the average bloke Sean.
        I really don’t think the majority on teen guys would get it.
        Really.

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        • powersoz

          Joey, sorry – but I reckon that you’re underestimating the ‘average bloke’. But each to their own. Cheers.

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  8. Anonymous

    I’m currently reading “Hello Darkness” and I am really enjoying it. Question, is it tamer than “Lost Boys”?

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  9. Yeah!

    What I respect the most about Sam is his openness, honesty and political incorrectness – he calls it as he sees it and trades off his fearlessness, while most people spend their whole lives living in a pathetic state of ‘I better not say/do this because I might lose my job/partner/friend/invitation to that cool party.’ I love that about him. Also, while I don’t always agree with him, he’s a pretty likeable character.

    However…

    Sam can often write as though he represents all blokes, which, of course, is bollocks – and could potentially make some young blokes feel as though there’s something wrong with them if they don’t relate to him (as I did when I used to read Cleo/Cosmo as a teenage girl and felt left out and not one of the ‘cool kids’ because I wasn’t obsessed with fashion, make-up, celebrity gossip and fad diets). He is more like an articulate voice of the Australian male bogans, wankers, misogynists and dropkicks. He has little respect for his readers, rarely replies to comments (even the intelligent, thoughtful ones), usually thinks he can’t learn anything from them and almost never apologises when he’s wrong (despite once writing a column/post about being man enough to admit when you’re wrong) – all traits I would go out of my way NOT to instill in my son. It’s a stark contrast to the way Mia writes and conducts herself – I’m a loyal follower of both their work.

    While extremely raw, clever and poetic, The Lost Boys is tough going. The dialogue is presented in a strange way (but you get used to it). The slang is relentless – even as a fair dinkum Aussie, I had trouble following it at times. The non-stop drinking, drug-taking, wanking, misogyny and BS wears you down after a while. There’s no real story (which, I think, is sort of the point – the boys are lost). I think you have to be quite smart to ‘get it’. (It’s quite possible that I don’t fall into that category.)

    Sean, this was a great article. Well-written. One of the best I’ve seen on Mamamia for a while. And I’m glad Sam’s managed to have such a positive impact on you. But I fear Sam’s work could lead some boys/men up the garden path.

    My 20 year-old cousin is someone who could benefit from some of Sam’s sage advice, but he probably couldn’t be arsed to read The Lost Boys. Also, I’d be scared he’d start thinking that the lost boys were cool. He might miss the point entirely! I’d rather give him a copy of No Tattoos Before You’re 30 (although, it’s WAY too late for that particular suggestion for him), No Sex With Your Ex or Building a Better Bloke. He could also start reading Sam’s blog, All Men Are Liars… but, sadly, it ain’t what it used to be (which is a shame, but understandable – if I were Sam, I’d be creatively spent).

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    • Blaser

      I’m a little confused whether you like him/his books or not or used to like him and now are disappointed?

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      • Yeah!

        I guess what I’m saying is that he’s a bit hit and miss (sometimes, he’s brilliant – other times, not so much) but I always follow his work. I just don’t think he’s such a great role model for boys and men sometimes.

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    • powersoz

      Hi Yeah!, cheers for such a detailed responses. I don’t agree with many of the points but it’s awesome to hear your view and I understand where you’re coming from.

      I’d repeat here what I said above to Joey – the best thing about ‘The Lost Boys’ is that we can learn from the mistakes Ned has made. I don’t reckon that anyone’s encouraged to go out and do what he does, it’s the opposite.

      We see how much emotional trouble Ned and his mates gets into by doing the things they’ve done.

      I reckon your fear about your twenty-year-old cousin thinking the book ‘is cool’ makes sense on the surface re. the drugs and sex. But, as a male of the same age who’s read the book, I’d say you’d be pretty unique to finish the last chapter and think that being a lost thirty-five year-old is an ideal lifestyle.

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      • Yeah!

        Trust me, Sean – most 19 year-old blokes aren’t as smart as you. (That’s why Mia’s singled you out – you’re quite exceptional.)

        As I said, my 20 year-old cuz wouldn’t even make it through The Lost Boys. But if he did, it’d validate his drinking, drug-taking and misogyny and he’d just think to himself, ‘Oh, I’m never going to end up like THAT’. 35 is SO very far away when you’re 20, but you don’t realise that you can easily set yourself on a path if you’re not careful – especially when you’re surrounded by close mates (as Ned is) who are all doing the same thing.

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        • powersoz

          Hi Yeah, interesting to read your response. I’m sure you’re not suprised that I still don’t agree.

          If you’re convinced that your cousin reading the book would have such a strong impact – then I hope someone’s censoring all the movies, televsion series and games that he watches. There’s a bunch of heavier stuff out there that would already be validating his action.

          And thanks for the compliment, but I reckon you’re understimating the average bloke.

          All the best.

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  10. xanderley

    Thanks Sean, as a mother of two boys, one approaching adolesence, you have articulated a lot of my fears and given me hope that they can come out the other end ok.

    It has taken me a while to come to grips with having these discussions with my children, but now I take every opportunity to discuss issues such as drugs, suicide, relationships, bullying etc. I am hoping that by the time these subjects become relevant to them, they will already have the knowledge to deal with it in the best way they can.

    Your comment about mothers being a “ball and chain” is so poignant for me, as I was talking to another mother today about a boy at our children’s school that had committed suicide recently. I told her that as much as I wanted to shield my son of the realities of his death, ultimately I thought that should this ever become an option for him, he is not going to hear me in that moment, but hopefully he will hear me now and it will resonate later.

    Sam should employ you as his publicist, because I am going straight out to buy his book :)

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  11. Meesh

    Great article, Sean. Reading this helps me to not only be more understanding of the teenage guys in my life (brother, cousins, friends), but also my own (Gen Y) boyfriend too

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  12. Chrissy

    As a single mother of a boy and a girl, this is an issue of which I am becoming more aware.

    My son is about to turn 9 and the dramatic changes that have taken place in his personality in the last few months are alarming. He suddenly cannot manage his anger or his emotions. He is struggling with friendship issues at school and is in constant trouble with both me and others.

    I have read many books and I am cognisant of the need for him to spend more time with his father but this is not happening. I feel huge fear that if I do not address this that I will have an enormous problem on my hands in a few years.

    Other cultures have it all over us and I wish we too could embrace the crossing over (via cultural ritual) of boy to man.

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    • tastebud

      One book which may be helpful is Celia Lashlie’s “He’ll Be Ok – Growing Gorgeous Boys Into Good Men”? A couple of other posters already mentioned it but just doing so again, in case you missed it.

      It was helpful for me as a young mum, with an interest in this area. But also brought back a lot of memories of my single mother trying to parent my brother. I look back at that time as a really rough period of the relationship but he’s 23 now and I think she can almost exhale….

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  13. Regrets...

    This is all well and good, but I don’t see much mention of the critical role that fathers should and do play in their boys lives. Sure conversations can take place at school, at the pub etc, but at the end of the day, the biggest and most influential role model for boys are their own fathers. But it seems to me that at a time when boys and men are starting to question their “manhood” more and more, we are diminishing the role that fatherhood plays in our society.

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    • powersoz

      G’day Regrets – interesting point. I agree that Dads should play a huge part in the process, and my old man sure did. But the major problem is that a lot of old school blokes (fathers of GEN Y children) don’t know how to have the conversations with their own kids. Many come from a different generation and school of thought re. masculinity.

      I’m not sure if it’s too late to try and skill them up? But yep – it’s crucial that the next bunch of fathers know how to have the conversation.

      Maybe expecting fathers should get themselves a copy to read in the hospital waiting room?

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      • Regrets...

        Fair play, I get the point the point about generational differences, but god knows, every generation since Adam has complained that the older generation was outdated/didn’t get it/emotionally stilted etc. Of course there has been rapid changes in our culture over the past 30/20 even 10 years and this no doubt presents a set of brand new challenges other generations never had to think about. And I think that is probably part of the problem. And yep, perhaps Dads do need a handbook these days – but then so do a hell of lot of new mothers!

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        • Susan As Well

          Agree that there are generational differences about the concept of manhood but also think that the amount of time each day that dads have to spend away from their children due to work contributes greatly to the loss of contact and conversations between sons and fathers (and daughters).

          And it is sad that this is the way of the world but this is also a recent development in history … has only been happening for the last 200 years or so. The role of fatherhood has diminished in practical terms and that is a great loss for dads and the whole family. If I was a father, I would be really pissed.

          This is also where feminism and the pursuit of equal wages would benefit everyone … no longer does dad have to go to work because he is the greater wage-earner. If only….

          Manhood and womanhood have changed so dramatically in recent times, it is sometimes hard to begin to define exactly what they are, let alone pass the concept down to sons and daughters. One thing is for sure though, the concepts should bring joy and pride to men and women instead of confusion.

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    • Raraluna

      Really? I think that fathers are much more emotionally involved with their children than they were when I was a kid (I am 31) and definitely more so than they were in previous generations.

      I think mothers and fathers are more aware of the need for quality and quantity time.

      The issue that we always lament at school is that any attempt that is made to help with parenting issues such as information evenings, newsletters etc they only ever reach the parents who are already doing a lot of the hard work.

      The more “neglectful” parents are the ones that we want to reach and find it very difficult to reach them.

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  14. Rick Morton

    I cannot say how much I agree with this. And while my personal sensibilities aren’t quite the same as Sam’s (not his fault, just the way I’m wired!) I respect the honesty with which he approaches talking about ‘taboo’ subjects.

    Freaking taboos have a lot to answer for in this day and age. All we can hope for is to chat among ourselves about the things we’re told categorically to avoid.

    Sean, props to you mate.

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  15. missamoo

    I think any discussion about who we are as young/old/middle aged men or women is important. There is no one book that will solve this but i believe we need to keep searching. I read The Second Sex as an18 yr old girl and seriously had my mind blow. Fast forward a few years and i read Susan Faludi Backlash and Naomi Wolf’s The Beauty Myth. I learned so many things not all that i agreed with but i think it’s like when you go to uni all of a sudden you change the way you see things because you are being challenged by different people and their upbringings. It is in my opinion the beginning of our journey to find our way and hopefully set our children on the same path to learning which in turn one day will help us all to sort out this world. ( i really hope so any way)

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  16. CJ

    I wanted to like this book so much, but I honestly find it quite terrifying and uncomfortable to read. Although, I do find the idea of kids conducting this kind of lifestyle very disturbing.

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  17. Sam

    Some good advice here no doubt, but why does the advice have to be gendered? By insisting on the existence of something called “manhood”, the socially-constructed nature of gender is being ignored. For example, because there is a perception that men are bad at expressing their emotions, etc., implying that certain people are “men”, or encouraging them to identify as “a man”, is actually likely to have a negative impact on their ability to express their emotions, etc., which in turn contributes to the perpetuation of the stereotype.

    It seems to me that a much more important book for teenagers to read (regardless of their gender identity) is Cordelia Fine’s “Delusions of Gender”.

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    • Meltie

      Ummmm…what???
      I think youve really missed the point

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      • Sam

        Or maybe I’m just challenging the legitimacy of “the point”? I suspect you think that the point of this article is something like: to discuss prominent developmental issues associated with Australian “men”. In that context, I can see how a criticism of the gendered nature of the discussion might seem abstruse. But in fact what I am saying is that discussing these developmental issues as being applicable to “men” actually contributes to the problem (which is that gender, as it has been socially-constructed and as it affects young people, is an oppressive force). In other words, I’m saying that this article would have been better if the advice was not (and I’m crudely paraphrasing here) “how to be a more expressive, emotionally healthy man” but “how to be a more expressive, emotionally healthy PERSON”.

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    • Sharon

      Huh? Too much being read into Sean’s article here. Sean (as a man, did you notice?) relates to the actuality of being a man and the pressure that is felt in Australia relating to the discussion of emotion and expression of same.
      I’m originally from Scotland and love Australia and the people here loads
      but am amazed at how many times my toddler boys have been told to “man
      up” when they fall and hurt themselves
      and just want a wee cuddle to reassure them that all is OK. The term is used on a chocolate milk advert here!
      I never hear anyone using a similar term for girls…ergo, I think that Sean makes a valid point and I will definitely be reading Sam’s books.

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      • Sam

        I’m not sure what you think I’m reading into the article that isn’t there. Basically, it’s as simple as: does the article maintain or challenge the appropriateness of the socially-embedded distinction between “men” and “women”? It seems to me that it maintains this distinction, and unnecessarily so. (And the fact that you perceive Sean to be a “man”, and he apparently perceives himself this way, is irrelevant, since you are both basing your perceptions on socially-constructed determinants.)

        The socially-constructed distinction between “men” and “women” is false, oppressive, and exclusory (eg to those who don’t fall within the available classifications), and while it certainly needs to be discussed (if only for the purposes of recognising the damage it is doing), articles that pay lip service to it, without challenging it, are counter-productive.

        Another way of looking at it: some people have blue eyes and some have brown; imagine that we all gave more importance than was warranted to this difference, and categorised people as either “blueys” or “brownys”; imagine also that these categories had certain stereotypes embedded in them, and that these stereotypes were self-fulfilling (as social psychologists have shown stereotypes tend to be); imagine then that a “bluey” writes an article saying: “I think that the way blueys are expected to act (and tend to act) is bad, and it would be better if blueys acted in a different way”. That article might well be true and contain good advice (as I believe this one does), but it would still be premised on the maintenance of the “bluey”/”browny” distinction.

        Sorry for the long reply… I strongly recommend Cordelia Fine’s book if you want to better understand my perspective.

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  18. backagain

    I bought Sam’s book, The Lost Boys, a few years ago when it first came out. The first page sucked me in, the writing was crisp and unique and fierce – but then, speaking as a woman, I really REEEEALLY got upset at the content matter. I applaud Sam for his honesty and writing style but the material was disturbing. I didn’t like it at all, but then I’m not a young Australian bloke…

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    • Addy

      I had a similar experience. Mind you, I read the last two thirds of it in one sitting when I was travelling – I think it might have been a bit of an overload.

      There was one particular incident that I found extremely distressing and I think that sort of tainted my overall experience. This isn’t an insult towards Sam’s writing in any way – I had a similar reaction (got distressed by a particular scene & was unable to get over it enough to enjoy the story) to the film Deliverance, which is generally regarded as an outstanding film.

      I actually really liked the Sam’s style of writing in The Lost Boys. In terms of recommending it to adolescent boys, I think it would depend on the individual boy’s level of maturity. I definitely agree that with Sean that it’s a story with a great deal of relevance for young men (and women, too, in some ways).

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  19. Mills

    Bought and devoured the Lost Boys when I was back in Sydney. Love his brutal honesty when talking about extremely personal topics. Can’t think of many writers that actually expose themselves to the level Sam does. Would love to read Hello Darkness… hope there are plans for a kindle edition soon.

    In answer to the question, I learnt from reading, anything and everything, and of course like most, the hard way.

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  20. reegan

    wot the hell is a ‘man’ ??

    I never talked to anyone growing up about it. but I was surrounded by older men, all I did was watch them.

    even as a 25yo now I pay attention, I copy the bits I like and avoid doin the things I don’t. easy.

    don’t rely on anyone else to show you how its done.

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  21. anjanetteportermorton

    I have two sons and, whilst they’re too young for these lessons quite yet, I am glad to know that (1) there are books out there that young guys find accessible and (2) that what I’m already doing as far as modeling and chatting openly about a diverse range of emotions is likely going to help them prep for further lessons in the future. I can only hope they become as articulate and emotionally intelligent as Sean!!

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  22. tastebud

    As a mother of (so far only) one 4yo boy, I have one particular strategy perhaps worth mentioning. I for one am hoping it will help.

    My son can be quite sensitive. A quality I enjoy in both men and women. But also, as his mum, a quality which engenders a frightening image of him as his adult self potentially making his way in the world with ‘no skin on’!!

    Every time I can, I try to acknowledge and name what he may be feeling. Sadness, fright, embarrassment, anger, excitement etc. Then normalise it. Sit with it. Maybe some little distraction and often some humour. We talk about what to do about it. But mostly just normalise it.

    I saw a psychologist earlier this year about some parenting challenges. She reminded me to also acknowledge the more vulnerable emotions we often forget that males in our lives experience too. I think she was right on the money.

    I also notice a theme in my professional and personal experience with addicts, addictive behaviour and relationships –

    ….The pain you inflict on yourself and others is sometimes a direct result of your inability to identify, sit with and appropriately express difficult emotions….

    Big Sam fan here. Blog, books the whole bit. And looking forward to Hello Darkness when I get around to it.

    Just from a different perspective, the male role models in my life growing up were sub-standard to say the least. I have gleaned much understanding, enjoyment and hope from Sam’s interpretation, and advisement, of the modern male. For my son and myself.

    Great topic and cause Sean!

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    • powersoz

      Thanks tastebud – cheers for taking the time to write that comment. As a kid I was a bit of a stresshead to, often making mountains out of molehills. As I’ve gotten older it’s something I’ve shaken off and built a thicker skin. But you’re right, talking about emotions and identifying what they are with your little fella is a great move I reckon.

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      • lacer

        I think all children could benefit from talking about emotions and identifying them. I wish I had learnt this when I was a child. Thanks to tastebud that is on my to do list with my kids.

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  23. Catherine

    Thanks Sean. I have three sons. This week I’m buying a copy of Lost Boys!

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  24. cil

    Ive been an avid reader of Sam De Brito for the last 2 years I guess. I found his words and descriptions a fascinating insight into my husbands brain which really I didn’t understand. And now I hope it helps me understand my kids. As the mother of two boys I’m hoping they don’t ignore me like Sean did buy I suspect they will… I just hope with the help of these books and Sam’s advice I will be able to approach them in a way they get and feel supported by.

    A great article Sean, I hope my boys grow up to be fine young men like yourself.

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    • Lindat44

      My son, not a reader at all, had to read The Lost Boys at school and it was the first book I’d ever seen him voluntarily pick up and read.

      As for helping to understand the boys in your family, I swear by the book He’ll Be Ok – Growing Gorgeous Boys Into Good Men by Celia Lashlie. For me as a mum, I had so many light bulb moments reading this.

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      • Joe

        That book by Celia Lashlie is the most amazing book. I think every parent with a boy should be handed this book on the day of their birth. After I finished reading it I went out and bought 16 copies for all my friends with boys.

        If you have boys you HAVE to read it.
        Interestingly I was going to bring it up on the public verses private school post last week. She has some very strong veiws on how much better private boys schools are for boys than public and co ed schools. She has a lot of experience with men in prisons and she strongly believes in the benifits of private all boys school education in making better men, and the direct link to schools with history and old boy traditions and the feeling of belonging to a part of history and being surrounded with reminders of the boys who have gone before them and have acheived greatness.

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      • Susan As Well

        I found Celia’s book really interesting too.

        Would love to see more on MM about boys and men and how life is for them. Thanks for this piece Sean.

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      • NotCelia

        I recently saw Celia Lashlie do a presentation which was organised through our school. if you ever get an opportunity to see her talk – DO IT. She was amazing and hilarious, but most of all extremely passionate about our boys and men and the need for us to nurture and guide them.
        I’m sure she’d be open to contributing to a blog post or two!!!

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  25. Blaser

    As a mother, I’m not sure to have these conversations (everyday???)

    So Sean… how do I have them so my son can without feeling like I’m nagging him. Would love to know what a mum shouldn’t do!

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    • Susan As Well

      Not answering for Sean but a good book for mums of teenage sons is “The Courage to Raise Good Men” by Olga Silverstein. Dads can read it too.

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    • Anonymous

      Give him the book first! Then sit down and chat. (when he is ready)

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    • wotisunique

      What we (try to) do is use openings in a conversation. We may see someone who has had too much to drink, and we talk about why people may chose to drink (a celebration? a habit? because it’s what other people are doing?) and what consequences may occur because of drinking.

      This weekend drunk people, condoms and tampons all came up (not at once! Eeeek! Imagine). I try to be upfront and honest about each conversation/ question that comes up. I have been surprised at how hard this can be. But I have found that if I keep it simple, and honest, it seems to work. I never offer too much information as I figure they will always ask another question if they want more.

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    • powersoz

      Hi Blaser – awesome question mate. I reckon that the converstaion doesn’t always need to be about your kid. It could be about their mates, your mates, a celebrity etc. You can use other people as the tool to have the conversations. But that’s just an idea – you’re the Mum, and you’d know best! Cheers

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      • Blaser

        Ace… all great ideas. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

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        • powersoz

          No worries at all Blaser, thanks for taking the time to write the comment!

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    • Raraluna

      My mum always used to trap us with conversations in the car when she was driving us to cricket, ballet, rugby, basketball, a friend’s house etc. We were a captive audience and could not escape her subtle and not so subtle conversations.

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  26. I have mixed feelings about Sam De Brito as a role model for young Australian men…I don’t always agree with his world-view on male issues…sometimes he can get right to the crux of a situation, but other times I think he is way off mark.

    Mind you, I feel the same way about Mia when she comments on women’s issues…

    What they both have in common is a great platform for starting discussions on different issues…and if Sam can get young men to start thinking about themselves and their place in the world, then that’s a good thing….

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    • backagain

      I’m with you on this JohnJames, there’s something a little unsettling about some of his views, steered a bit too much in a harsh direction. Maybe I’m just a bit old marshmallow but I want to shout at his opinions sometimes and say really?? that’s really what men think?? Aye curumba.

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      • I think his views about men are 99% accurate about a certain type of bloke – and I deliberately use the word bloke – but I don’t relate to any of his characters…to me, life as a man is nowhere near as difficult as he makes it out to be…but I’m a different kind of man than Sam…

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    • Yeah!

      The difference between Sam and Mia is that Mia genuinely respects her readers, considers their viewpoints and often apologises when she’s wrong. Sam doesn’t.

      I’ve been reading both their work for many years. I think Sam lacks respect for his readers, thinks he can’t learn anything from them and apologises for nothing.

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  27. Acacia

    Fantastic article Sean

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  28. I literally had this book out on the weekend to read from the library because I’ve seen Sam on MM alot and though I might check out his writing.

    I got 1 page in and realised that the book didn’t use quotations when characters were speaking. I know there is a term for this in writing world, but I can’t remember what it is. But I hate it. Absolutely hate it, and so I couldn’t read the book!

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    • toradora

      i think you mean apostraphies and punctuation

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      • No no, I’m sure there is a specific writing term that authors use when they deliberately write books without the characters speech being put in quotations!

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        • ashamasha

          Hmmmm…. stream of consciousness? not sure that that’s right though…..

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        • merindakennedy

          Oh gosh, that would irk me no end!!

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        • Cordeline

          Quotation marks?

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          • Whippersnapper

            No, like I said it is a specific form of writing not to use quotation marks when writing speech dialogue. I just googled it and I think it is called “interior dialogue”. Hate it!

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        • Tripitaka

          Oh Tim Winton does that too. I love it. I can’t explain why, it just seems more natural.

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      • Yeah!

        I didn’t like this style of presenting dialogue either… but get over it.

        Read more than one page. You’ll get used to it. You shouldn’t give Sam’s entire debut novel a miss because of that.

        I read The Lost Boys from cover to cover… and I can assure you, the style of presenting dialogue is the least off-putting thing about the book.

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    • Liz

      A True History of the Kelly Gang by Peter Carey was like that.
      Perhaps its a boy/girl thing – my husband has read it 10 times over loves it for being different. I got through the first page – couldn’t handle the no apostrophes, quatoation marks or commas! I got lost between who was talking!!

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      • ladybird73

        Yep. That gave me the total shits too.

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      • picardie.girl

        This must be why I couldn’t get past the first page either!

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    • Faybian

      Irvine welsh (trainspotting) and Alan duff (once were warriors) both do this style. It takes a bit to get used to. Alan duff also changes who is narrating the story without warning and you have to work it out.

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