I was admiring Ben Quilty’s etchings of artist Margaret Olley, the sketches he did when he was preparing his winning portrait of her for the Archibald Prize, when I thought I’d better call my mother.
I’m not sure what it was that made me connect mum with Margaret. It could have been just the image of an old lady staring out at me from those intriguing prints. It may have been the knowledge that Quilty, a long time friend of Olley, would have visited her in her studio many times before she sat for him. That certainly made me feel mean with my own time.
In any case, duty or guilt called and my mother answered.
“I was beginning to wonder if you were still in the land of the living,” she quipped. She’s magnificent, my mother. She could have represented Australia in the Olympics of passive aggressive behaviour.
“Surprise. I’m still here,” I answered, marveling at how well the passive aggressive gene had carried through to me.
“What have you been up to?” I changed the subject.
“Oh, just the same old things. Nothing very interesting happens here.” Somehow, in between my last visit and this phone call I had failed to provide my mother with a life. My eye roll must have been audible because she straightened up.
“While I’ve got you on the phone, would you mind looking up something on the Internet for me?”
And so our conversation became just like most conversations we’d had in the last 10 years. Transactional. A series of tasks for me to deal with.
These days I play the role of interpreter of the modern world. She plays the role of a time traveler who refuses to learn anything new. I’m pretty sure she’s convinced she’ll be returning to the past soon where none of this Internet stuff will be relevant.
It’s a tedious routine that robs our relationship of more personal moments.
These transactions take over. They use up all the time we have together and worse, they fill it with frustrations. Her frustration with growing old. My frustration with an ever growing list of responsibilities. The latest inclusion on this list, IT expert to the aged.
At a certain point, I’m not exactly sure when, my mother and I missed our opportunity to relate to each other as friends, peers, equals. The last time I looked, I was a child and she was nurturing me, looking out for me, explaining the world to me. Then, with no formal handing over of the baton, I found myself doing the same for her. I’m mothering my mother.
Somehow we missed that moment in between, when we should have been forging along together, at the same speed, feeling some sort of mutual admiration for each other’s adult power in the world. There should have been a salute from her and a word of thanks from me before I gazed off into the future.
I’m aware that some people have experienced that crossover point, that lucid moment of mutual respect in their parent/child relationship. Friends of mine have enjoyed years of hanging out with their folks, sharing common interests, empathising despite their generational differences. Not me. For some reason, I blinked and missed it.
I admire the Ben Quilty portraits of Margaret Olley precisely because they seem to exist in that kind of moment.
Quilty has always revered Margaret Olley, describing the artist as having a “powerful bearing” on his career. Olley on the other hand was typically modest when Quilty asked to do her portrait. She initially refused.
The fact that she finally “let him in” for these portraits, to observe her ageing complexion and glorify, as he often does, a face’s decline shows both trust and respect.
However, unlike the Quilty portrait of Jimmy Barnes, which is more observational, the artist standing back to comment, there’s a one-on-one aspect to these portraits of Olley by Quilty and it looks to me like both artists are having a meaningful conversation.
Perhaps as has been reported, she was imploring him to stop painting ugly things like skulls. That’s the sort of thing my mother would say but coming from Olley, it doesn’t sound like “tidy up, son”, more like sage advice from one artist to another.
Or maybe she was passing on her energy to Quilty explaining how she continued to be so prolific an artist despite her age. In the round up following his Archibald Prize win, Quilty told the Art Gallery of New South Wales that Olley had described herself to him as “an old tree dying and setting forth flowers as fast as it can, while it still can”. A matron with metaphors.
Of course it’s disingenuous to draw a parallel between the Quilty and Olley relationship and that of my mother and I.
Olley was never Quilty’s mother. She never changed his nappy or packed his school lunch. She never listened patiently to his endless questions or instinctually reached out to protect his melon head as he crawled enthusiastically past the sharp corner of a coffee table. First impressions count.
Their relationship began on an intellectual level, Quilty looking up to her experience, Olley excited by his young talent. So the conversations they had were always going to go beyond the sorts of things that mothers say to sons.
Still, I can’t help thinking that there’s something to learn from these Ben Quilty portraits, or the conversations that I imagine went on behind them.
Maybe it’s just a case of finding the thing in common. Quilty and Olley were both artists, they grew their relationship from there. If I could only stop thinking of my mother as a mother I’d have half a chance of seeing the engaging, social, multi-faceted woman she is outside of our family. She needs to stop thinking of me as that accident prone kid with the melon head too.
Perhaps I’ll give it a go this weekend.
Although it may have to happen in between clipping her dog’s nails, making sense of her letter from the council and recharging her prepaid SIM.
This article was originally published on Steve’s website which you can find here.
Steve Minon began his career in Brisbane as an ad writer in the late Eighties. He eventually co-founded the ad agency Junior which twice won Queensland agency of the year.
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My mum bought out a different side in me. Not always the best side, but a side she would love unconditionally. I didn’t realise her love was unconditional until I had kids and know that no-one will ever love you as much as your mum. I’m happily married to a man that loves me to the moon and back. I have two gorgeous kids that idolise me. But when I mum passed away, I could feel the emptiness that she left. It was a realisation that there was no-one left on this earth that loves me more than her. (dad passed away 5 years before her). So I now tell my kids that they don’t love me more than I love them (in a fun way) because I know a mother’s love is irreplaceable. I love and miss my mum everyday! But Having my loving hubby and kids helps to replace a little bit of her love and I will love them forever unconditional ♥
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I had a great relationship with my mum & dad until I turned 40 and then everything changed. We haven’t spoken in over 9 years now and amongst all that my dad passed away. I went to his funeral but sat down the back, closure for me. It hasn’t been easy and I have missed the relationship we did have. I have used the values that did mean something to me from them but the rest I don’t touch. I try every day not to become my mother, not easy when you know you look like her!!!
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I have been mothering my mum since I was a little girl. When I was 4 she asked me who I would live with if she and dad broke up, and even though I liked my dad more, I told her I’d choose her because I knew she needed me more than he did. (Plus he was violent and abusive) And 30-odd years later, that’s been the pattern of our lives. She asks me for my opinion on everything which puts a load of pressure on me. My older brother has no responsibilities put on him at all which I’ve come to terms with. My mum and I argue just about every phone call. My son told me today the situation “disappoints” him. He’s 8.
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Can you try to get away? Put some distance between yourself and them? My parents are exactly the same and as they get older they expect me to do more and more for them (ringing me for relationship advice, to tell me all the details of their latest arguments, problems with their landlord etc etc). The only thing that has helped me deal with it is living far away from them so I don’t have to see them very often and avoiding their phone calls. They are never going to change but as I get older I realize it’s not my responsibility to parent them. They have never been there for me, I left home in my teens as did my 3 siblings and since then they’ve never helped me with anything whereas I’ve lent them money heaps of times and given them advice too. I’m trying to put more and more emotional distance between them and me. It’s not healthy and not fair that you have to care for your parents without any support.
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My mother is known as ‘toxic waste’ enough said
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You have neatly encapsulated my relationship with my own mother who has passed away and I wish every day that she was still here. Now I have that exact relationship with my mother in law. It’s depressing and I have to try very hard not to be resentful because I know I will miss her when she is gone too. It’s interesting as I now help my father with all of his stuff – technology, animals, reminders, the cat, yard work etc. But he is the most charming, affectionate, happy and positive person it is no hardship. Whatever the response from your parents I think unless you had an abused childhood your parents deserve your care and attention in their old age with no conditions. After all they loved us unconditionally when growing up and made sacrifices for us
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My mum has recently had an argument with my aunty and they simply cannot see eye to eye making it very uncomfortable for the rest of the family. Tonight my mum announced that when I get married my aunty is not welcome at my wedding (btw in 19, and in no where near to getting married) which has just caused an argument between my parents as my dad would think that if it was my wedding I should be able to invite whoever I like. An I the only one dealing with a ridiculous argument like this?!
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Someone once told me that when you no longer have a need for nurturing from your Mother you can then see her as a person in her own right.
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I wish I had a better relationship with my mother. I like visiting my parents, but always leave feel like a kid again.
My life hasn’t turned out as my parents had planned. Two degrees not finished, and to top things off I’m set to marry a divorcee! (Parents are super Catholic)
I read all the comments below with such envy. I wish I had that kind of relationship with my mum
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how is my relationship with my mother…
ill tell u i love my mum and i will tell her anything yes i do have fights with her but that doesnt mean a thing to me, if i loose my mother i will commit suicide i love my mother and i can tell u this 24/7 i can tell it to my friends and they will call me a baby i dont care atleast i know that i love my mother im on grade 9 and i wish my mother would come to me with skool 24/7, i dont know what my brothers think about her but om her only daughter and im pretty sure she loves me more than anything, i wish i could live with her forever so i will never ever move out i love my mother too much to even say goodbye to her when i go to skool, i wish death never happened because some times people grow old and pass away but i push that memory away and i think that i will always be with her forever, i love her, i love her, i love her, i love her!!!
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My relationship with my mum has always been dysfunctional. I have no memories of her ever giving me a cuddle or being demonstrative, just memories of her growling at me for everything. I’ve tried to be a dutiful daughter and call my mum on a fairly regular basis, but she’s often in an snarky mood so now I figure it’s better if I wait for her to initiate the phonecall when she’s in the mood to talk. Then I end up feeling guilty because we don’t talk for weeks on end. When we do, she can’t resist dispensing unsolicited and unqualified advice, with no respect for the ethical and considered decisions I make in my life. And turning everything into a “told you so” or “what you should have done is…” On reflection, I think she’s resentful of her unfulfilled life. A life unlived, spent answering to my father who’s a good man but chauvinistic and patriarchal. Or maybe it’s the results of me being the younger sibling of an ADHD kid, a situation that’s typically fraught, as is often reported. I don’t know. I’m married and in my 40′s, and desperately wish she could just now relate to me as though I’m a friend, not an errant child. Especially as I was the relatively easy one. My relationship with my mum saddens me deeply.
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My mum is my best friend and this is something I cherish and am so thankful for.
Whilst in my late teens we had major issues surrounding her new partner. We fought, went through long periods of silence and eventually I had to move out. I lived out of home for three years and this was when my mum and I started to mend our relationship. We started talking and she accepted that she had done some things for selfish reasons and apologised and I accepted and acknowledged that I was indeed a bitch. She started to treat me as an adult, not a 15 year old girl and actually listened when I was talking.
Im back living at home now with her, her partner, his son and my two sisters and we get on really well.
Its only been in the past few years where I have begun to realise just how great my mum is. She has been there for us through thick and thin. Not an overprotective mum, but not a dropkick mum. She knows the right amount of nosiness to have when it comes to her daughters and is our friend as well as our mum. I went through a very hard time last year and it such a comfort to know that mum was there to help me through it.
I think when your parents are divorced you have a much stonger bond with and appreciate them much more after realising how hard they had it.
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I love my mum a lot, but I feel like since the beginning of my teens we haven’t had a real conversation. When she talks to me it usually feels like a lecture- not a stern one, but something I am should listen to but not actually contribute to.
When I try to talk to her about something that’s important, it never fails to quickly turn into a “story” she has to tell that is somehow related (not truly relevant, but “oh, it’s like this…”) and completely turns the conversation around. I don’t understand why this happens, why we can’t just engage as two people with thoughts and feelings on a topic. Why we can’t relate to each other.
It really hurts me because I’m still only in my twenties, but I can see this pattern and disconnect continuing on forever
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In a word – complicated.
It’s improved dramatically over the past year – but only as a result of some very intense ongoing counselling on my part. She’s narcissistic, passive-aggressive, and is regressing towards childishness. However I am finally able to cope with that well – so that she doesn’t make me angry any more with her egotism, and I can finally enjoy the good parts of her.
Man it’s a relief to finally be in a space where it’s all ok.
Unfortunately my DH hasn’t had the benefit of extensive counselling and she still drives him mad.
Sigh.
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I love my Mum, and have come to understand her far more as I have entered the world of motherhood myself.
But I am still somewhat jealous of the relationship that my sister (my only sibling) & my Mum have. They’re the buddies, they’re the friends. I am not. They share a bond that I am not privvy to, and if I am included in the girly gossip, its like an afterthought, a courtesy after the ‘main business’ is already done. Often Mum will ring me and start with “I thought you should know…” after something ‘big’ has gone down with her & my sister, perhaps even a week before, or perhaps I’ll be cc’d into an e-mail conversation that already has an impossibly long “email trail” below. Mum has chosen to entrust her savings in my sister’s care (Does she not trust me?), she invites my sister & niece on holidays with her, but assumes I would be ‘too busy’ (y’know, you could ask first), they go shopping together, etc etc.
I suspect the reason for this as that I am very much my father’s daughter, whereas my sister is much like our mother, and neither my sister nor my mother like or respect my father. My father has his faults, this is true, but I can also see his good qualities, I can see his talents, and I can see the sacrifices he made to raise us and support his wife too. I think perhaps if I was the son my father wanted, rather than turning out to be a daughter, we would have been great mates too. But there are things that just don’t cross the father/daughter divide, and thus I feel kinda like the black sheep in my mother & sister’s eyes, and the “failed son” in my father’s.
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I feel your pain Malachite : ( – I have the same problem that my Mum and I care about each other but we are so un-alike that we just don’t get each other. My younger sister and Mum on the other hand have heaps in common and are best buds. I am a bit luckier that I have a brother in the same position as me. Mum and Dad were very un- alike so my brother and I had a great relationship with my Dad and my sister was more with Mum. This worked ok until Dad died and we only had one parent (for whom we were clearly the ‘B team’). I would say embrace the good relationship with your Dad – it’s a great thing and I’m sure he appreciates it too. Also I saw a great article in Good Medicine mag on favouritism (November 2012 from memory) – definitely doesn’t mean your Mum doesn’t care for you, but when I read it a lot of the comments described my life and explained a lot of home truths of why a parent naturally favours one kid above another – seems more common than you might think. Best of luck : )
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I absolutely f***ing love my mum. She and my dad are the two strongest people I reckon I will ever know. They’re not happy together – I can tell that, but mum has decided to go with tradition and stick with Dad and I respect her so much for making the tough choice and so far, getting through like a trooper. (Not with the shooting and artillery… probably not the right thing to say there.)
That said, love does NOT equate with like! We do get along and have a good laugh and share secrets and all that. But there are some times that I feel like my teenage years came a decade too late, because I was always the good little nerdy girl in my teens and have only started going out heaps in these past few years after suffering from mental illness that went undiagnosed for far too long. I’m 25 and I still live at home with my parents, but that will change in the future, due to my recent acceptance of a permanent full-time job. (YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY)
A lot of these disagreements seem to come from the widely different backgrounds in which we grew up. She was born and raised in rural Communist China, in poverty, and had to leave school before she was ten to support her family. I was raised a working-class Aussie, went to a high school that consistently rates as one of the top 10 in the state, and have completed several varieties of tertiary courses.
She doesn’t like the fact that I am using condoms and contraception, because she just doesn’t like the fact that I’m having sex in the first place. It’s hard to debate these things in Cantonese so that she’ll understand – so I just smile at her and think, “You’d better be bloody grateful that I’m using birth control, actually!” She understands that I am an adult now and thankfully, she accepts me for whatever choice I make in these matters, regardless of how much we disagree about the “morals.”
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I love my mum so much and feel so lucky to have her, she is not only a mum but a best friend, we have definitely had our tough times but we went through so much with my father(her x husband) and that really brought us closer, we need each other. Going shopping and having coffee are my favorite things to do with her.
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I will always love my mum, even if we have our differences.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4_6eQm7RTQ&ob=av2n
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i love my mum but I don’t feel we are close? I always feel I am left out of the family discussions because I am “the baby”of the family – and I am married, 32 and have one child and one on the way! I always find out things after the fact – never involved – I wasn’t even told my dad was in hospital
We don’t live close and we only see each other a couple of times a year – but she will never stay at my house when she is in town – always my sisters and I feel like I always have to make the effort and call my mum and she hardly calls me…. I get jealous of others when they have a like “friend relationship” with their mums and I just hope and pray for my daughter and I to have a better relationship than my mum and I do…
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My Mum and I have a brilliant relationship. I feel extraordinarily lucky because we get on like friends but have the love of a parent/child relationship. We talk every day, see each other at least once a week and have plans to hopefully have houses next to each other if we can ever find an appropriate spot (luckily my partner also loves my parents so he is fine with this idea).
However I’m feeling the point is approaching of taking over the parenting. I’m just seeing some very worrying signs of old age. Particularly over this last weekend Mum had a few episodes of confusion and forgetfulness. She was also very sick, I’m hoping it was just that, but I have to say, I’m going to be completely devastated to lose her, I hope and pray that is a very long time away.
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Very interesting article,
I have an amazing relationship with my mother, I went through a “terrible teens” from about 13 – 18 which could have effected our relationship but when i was 19 we have the “turning point” and she became my best friend and the person I turn to for anything and everything.
My husband on the other hand has a very different relationship with his mother where its still the I am the parent and you are the child (he is 29) and she only calls him when she needs him to fix something etc. Its really sad. He said to me the other day that he see’s my mother as more of a mother figure than his own… very sad but also kinda nice that he loves my mum almost as much as I do
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Great post, thank you.
The fights my Mother and I had when I was a teenager were epic… like nothing you’ve ever seen, low blows, nasty words, name-calling, emotional blackmail, passive-aggression. You name it, we went there.
I was a moody, angsty teenager and she was going through menopause… and my poor Dad was always stuck in the middle!
Our turning point was when I moved out of home in my early 20s, things had definitely improved before then but after that it was really obvious. I now have the most fantastic relationship with both my parents, we are equals, friends and really enjoy each others company… but when I do need one of them to be a ‘parent’ again whether for advice, sympathy or just because, they’re still there for me. I am also there for them when they need me too. My brothers have similar relationships with them as well.
I’m so, so lucky.
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My Mum is chockful of selfless love and all-round fantasticness.
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I have an ok relationship with my mum. For us to be at this “ok” stage takes a lot of hard work. I love my mum because she is mum and being a mum is a tough gig but if I have to be honest, if she weren’t my mum I know I wouldn’t make the effort to have a relationship with her. She lives interstate so we only see each other a few times a year but I call her every week. Mum is exhausting, she suffers from anxiety (something I deeply sympathise with but this doesn’t make it any easier) and she is very much a woe is me kind of person. The world revolves around her and she isn’t happy unless she is unhappy if that makes sense. Mum has this way of looking for the negative in EVERYTHING, and I can’t handle that. She can’t be happy for anyone else, instead feels sorry for herself because she compares their happiness to her lack of. She is also very self involved and doesn’t take interest in anyone around her, only how if it affects her.
I used to get really upset that I don’t have the kind of nurturing, loving mother that so many of my friends have, and occasionally it still gets me down but the older I get (I’m 29) the more I come to accept that that’s just the way mum is, I can’t change that I just have to make do with what I’ve got. As others have said below, it just makes me so determined to be a “different” kind of mother to my own children.
I must note though, when we were younger she was a great mum in terms of raising polite, healthy children. She was a stay at home mum who ensured her children ate only healthy fresh food, had good manners and taught us all to be very independent, for that I am eternally grateful. It’s only been later in life (from when I was around 12) that she became quite bitter, I think she thinks her life didn’t turn out the way she wanted and so very much resents that and can’t move past it.
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you could be describing my own mum…it takes a lot of effort and biting of my tongue to keep a relationship with her. we had a really, really rough patch for a few years in my late teens/early twenties after she admitted wholeheartedly, that she blamed me for her and my dads divorce, since she believed that my dad paid me more attention than her and that drove them apart. not her 2 year affair. apparently me. took a long time for me to get over that
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Wow. Just…wow. That is one of the most pronounced examples of blame externalisation (and meanness) that I’ve ever heard.
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Wow Pops, that’s just horrid! I hope you know that it’s her issue, not yours!
Our mums definitely sound similar though, my parents are also divorced and every time my dad does something for me she just snaps that he would never have done that for her… For example Dad came along to my 12 week ultrasound recently – so cute – yet mum just said he never came to one of her ultrasounds so therefore he cares more about his grandchild than own children, sigh. Just like your mum I know this is her issue, not mine or my beautiful dad’s.
I really hope you and your mum sort things out – I know how hard (and even more so frustrating) it can be. Hugs…
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Heh, the idea is to make those things (dog’s nails, letters, SIM) happen between the moments.
My relationship with my mother is great. I live far away and sometimes I wish I could be closer, so I write her letters. The good old fashioned snail mail ones. On paper. Nonsense letters that have no true meaning other than to provide for her those moments.
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Love my mum (been very close to her all my life) …until i met my husband. I guess he unknowingly highlights some of the annoying things my mum does (she’s pretty eccentric) & i probably do the same about his family. It’s hard because now I’m noticing these quirks & they now annoy me – her silly comments, cynicism, judgements etc. wish I could go back to the time when I thought everything my mum said/did was perfect…
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I’m in exactly the same boat – when I met my husband, he started to point out some of the less-than-positive aspects of my family. Not in a mean way, just an outsider’s point of view (and highlighting the negative affect the were having on me). I was only 23 and still in that “my dad is the best driver in the world” mentality. It’s been impossible to go back, part of me wishes he’d never said anything! The rest is thrilled that I’ve grown past their pettiness and I know I’m a better person now.
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Ah how reassuring to hear I’m not alone
. It’s hard as my ninjas definitely felt me pull back from her…
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Is that an autocorrect gone wrong?!
AMAZING. Gave me a well needed laugh this morning.
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I second that. Those damn ninjas…
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Ah how reassuring to hear I’m not alone
. It’s hard as my mum has definitely felt me pull back from her…
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I preferred ninjas, I had a little daydream about that for a few minutes and it was hysterical
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This could be me…my mum and I were a lot closer before my husband and I were together. I think it’s a combination of him pointing out her annoying traits, and her actually developing them more.
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Gahhh…can someone explain why my MM screen name is Rach but it keeps leaving comments under my signin ID? It’s just easier not to sign in, and no one has replied to my emails asking why!
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This article terrifies me. I know my children are only young (the oldest is 4) but I already worry that my relationship with them is too ‘transactional’ i.e. based on the acts of service which I do for them on a daily basis, and not enough about having fun. The trouble is overcoming my personality which is one of those slightly OCD, anxious, ‘busy’ ones. I find it hard to relax when there are jobs to be done, and now that my fulltime job is in the home (as well as my part-time money-earning one) there are constantly jobs to be done. I do make a conscious effort to set aside time to play with them. However, the worry is still there that the relationships we are building are ‘fun Daddy’ and ‘bustling-around-busy Mum’.
In saying that, when I hear this story by Steve, I do wonder whether the transactional side to the relationship with his Mum and himself has been created by her to try to find a common ground with Steve?
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o It was a very rare day that either of my parents played with us (dad worked 12 hour shifts 7 days a week in a factory and mum worked part time in an office and did EVERYTHING at home). We have never been on a family holiday (including camping, road trip, etc). We got taken to the zoo once a year and the cinema about two or three times a year. That’s it. But I love my parents more than I can tell you. Watching them work hard to build a better life for us all has made me the hard worker I am today. It’s more important that your children know you love them and that you take care of them and provide them with a safe home than you playing with them. I seriously don’t understand why parents now days think they need to entertain their children and play with them. They’re children and you’re not. Read to them by all means but it’s not your job to entertain them. Let them get bored and play by themselves. I leave my two kids (girl five and boy three) to their own devices while I go about doing my business. They know they have each other to play with if they feel like it but more often than not they do their own thing. I suppose everyone is different but what works for me is doing what I need to do and having time to relax and not be stressed out rather than trying to play with them and also do everything I need to do. You can’t be everything to everyone and quite frankly I’d much rather spend time one on one with my husband than playing with my kids. Having two parents who love each other (and God forbid keep the bedroom door locked at all times and do not allow children in the bed) is far more important to me than pampering to their every want.
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My mother would do anything for me…and never fails to remind me of what it is she is doing for me.
My brother and I wound up moving out at similar times, and I think my mum wants to preserve the family she never had growing up (her parents were quite Victorian era – show no emotion, etc). It feels as though she gets just a little too involved in some things, and makes too much of a deal of them.
But she and my dad did a pretty good job bringing us up. They were involved and interested in our lives without being the pushy stage-mum types. They taught us respect and manners. We’ve all turned out as pretty decent human beings. So at times, she annoys the crap out of me, but I know I am lucky to have and to have had what I did.
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I have been lucky enough to have a fantastic relationship with my lovely mum. We fought like cats and dogs when I was a teen, but now that I am in my twenties, she is my best friend and my most trusted advisor. Every day we will chat for at least half an hour about life, people, what to do in upcoming social/work situations, etc. I tell her things I would never tell even my closest friends or my boyfriend.
Your reference to the ‘turning point’ when you become an equal with your mum is really insightful – it is such a shame that you never got there. For me, this happened around age 19/20. After a brief period (around age 18) of being very judgmental of my mum for various life decisions she made, there was this dramatic change that occurred in how I saw her and related to her. I finally understood her as a person (like any other girlfriend of mine) rather than just as my ‘mum’. I gained an appreciation of her struggles, the pressures under which she made important decisions in her life, and so on. Now, my mum and I are equals. We share our experiences, counsel each other through issues and talk about everything, including things I never thought I would end up discussing with my mum like my sex life, relationships, etc!
For those of you who have not achieved this turning point in your relationships with your mums, I can try to pass on what made the transition possible for me in the hope that it helps you: I had to cease judging my mum according to too-high standard of what she should ideally have done in each aspect of her life. It wasnt helpful for me to think what I would have done in her shoes. Instead, I thought of things I have done in my own past which I would do differently given the chance to go back over them. I reasoned that these things did not make me a bad/irresponsible/incompetent person – just showed that I was growing and learning during my life journey. Then I looked at my mum’s life with the same sort of leniency. I guess for me this happened quite naturally when I had gained a bit of life experience myself (I’m not a parent yet but I mean along the lines of relationships, travel, work etc).
I hope you all manage to achieve harmonious relationships with your mums and wish you all the best xx
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I have to admit that since my mother passed on….we’ve gotten on great !
When I visit her and have a chat, she never criticises the hell out of everything I do or think.
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Right now I really don’t like my mum! I feel completely rejected and unloved by her. Fact.
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I’ve felt that way about my mum before too. And the hard thing is that over the years, something shifted and now I feel a responsibility to take better care of her – but despite trying to walk in her shoes, and understanding her better, there’s this feeling I am very ashamed of – that maybe I can forgive her but I can’t forget it…. and she never quite measures up in my eyes, I fnd myself judging her against my friend’s parents and I’m constantly disapointed by her decisions in life. I don’t want to be her mother – I want her to be my mother. Yet I’m sure she feels I’m the one rejecting her now, not calling or visiting often enough. Does that make sense?
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Yes Shelley it makes a lot of sense. I too feel disappointed and let down by my mother. She lives up the road from us, is retired but in perfect physical health and has a lot of money. I feel incredibly resentful that she doesn’t want to help us out, not so much with money, but with her grandchildren. I compare her constantly with other mothers who are helping their daughters out. More than resentful I feel incredibly sad that she is missing out on an opportunity to build a relationship with her grandchildren and instead seems only interested in short term pleasures – dining out, holidays, shopping, movies and of course the stupid over indulged poodle!
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so you want her to provide you with free babysitting, instead of enjoying the leisure and pleasant things she’s worked hard for?
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Anon – if you read my post I mainly feel sad for her. When she gets to the end of her life she will be sad (and as she is my mother I know that she will be) that she doesn’t have a closer relationship with her grandchildren. I’m not asking for a full time baby sitter and of course she’s entitiled to enjoy life- but I think it’s only natural that you want some help and support from your mother in the difficult and lonely task of raising young children. As a mother myself I know that I would want to be helping out my children and would want to build a close relationship with my grandchildren.
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I did read your post – you said you feel “incredibly resentful that she doesn’t want to help us out, not so much with money, but with her grandchildren”
Sounds like instead of having fun with her dog, travelling, shopping etc you want her to babysit your kids.
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Rudge – just ignore the negativity. I know what you mean.
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Not everyone thinks Grandkids are fabulous. You sound rather envious of your mum’s lifestyle. You will one day be her age and your kids you.
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My relationship with my mum is tumultuous – at best. She throws more tantrums than a 5 year old brat and somehow makes everything about her. She has depression and is somewhat narcissistic so we have to tip toe around her. My two brothers and I speak terribly to her and yes we treat her like a child because sometimes she acts like that! We have little respect for her and I think it comes from not having a back bone growing up – she was far more interested I her boyfriend then she was us. Don’t get me wrong, I love her to peices and think she is a fantastic mum but we are a bit rocky at the moment so maybe that’s why I’m writing this in a negative light. Since the birth of my son she has been incredibly helpful and a fantastic resource but she has also become extremely over bearing.
It actually makes me really sad when j think of our relationship because I live her heaps and I want it to be better but I’m not sure how to stop attending to her childish tantrums and being disrespectful to her. I know one day she won’t be here and i can’t bear to think about it as I really would miss her so much. Some days she is my best friend and others not so much but I know she loves me and would do anything for me.
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My Mum is my Mum, no matter what her beliefs, ideals, traits are etc etc. I don’t analyse the whys or wherefors on my upbringing. Yeah, it was rough at times, but I am still here. The thing is in the here and now, Mum is my friend. I can sit and confide in her, laugh with her and occassionally roll my eyes and give the you’re so rigid in your beliefs speil with her. But at the end of the day when I get in my car and head on home, I hug her and tell her I love her. One day Mum won’t be there and that scares the shit out of me.
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Breaks my heart to read these comments. I’m blessed with an amazing Mumsie, who raised three children on $400 a week, paid off a mortgage, returned to study and recently landed a job in a community service role. Not to mention, the endless support and love she has given me. My mother knows everything about me, she knows my inner most thoughts. She is truly my best friend, can’t wait for this time next week when we’ll be sipping cocktails in Vanuatu together.
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Yay for your Mum, she sounds amazing. Hope you guys have an awesome time in Vanuatu!
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You are truly blessed with a loving beautiful mum enjoy each and every
Moment on your holiday
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The crossover point for me I think was when I became a mum myself. I had a new appreciation for the “person” my mum was. I am so grateful that I had the chance to have that experience and understanding of her. She passed away at age 58, a mother, grandmother and amazing person. Love her dearly.
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The relationship my husband has with his mother scares me to death, as we have two sons. He trained himself to forget his childhood because it was so awful. After his parents divorce, he became his mothers emotional (and sometimes physical) punching bag. As the eldest, he copped it. We are slowly working through a lot of his issues, but it’s slow and painful. Sometimes I hate his mother for what she’s done to him. But he is amazing, and still wants her in his life, and I have to respect that. And make sure I do a better job of making my boys feel loved.
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God, I love my mum, I love her. She’s magnificent. Full stop.
Our relationship has grown every step of the way and we’ve never had any issues with getting along. My mum had a dreadful, now non existant, relationship with her own mother and she confided in me one night drinking together that she desperately wanted to do things differently to her own mother. And she has done a wonderful job. I hope I’m half as good a mum as she is when I have babies.
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I love my mum! She’s not perfect, but she’s mine and she loves me to bits, unconditionally. She always has my back, whether I want it or not.
You should make an effort to call more often, you only get one mum.
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I love my mum but since I have moved out of home we have drifted apart a little.
I am in my early 20s and I often find myself doing or saying things that my mother would do or say. We are alike in many ways.
However, we are also very different in others. My mum is very conservative, matter-of-fact and practical, while I am more open-minded, dreamy and whimsical. Sometimes our differences make us clash, but I know that my mum has a positive affect upon me – she makes me a little more sensible – and I have noticed that she has softened lately, from my influence (I like to think) – she is more accepting and not so quick to judge.
The day she changes her opinion on gay marriage (she is firmly opposed) will be a triumphant day for me!
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Your relationship sounds so similar to mine with my mum!
I’m 24 now and since moving out about 6 years ago, we’ve eventually become closer and now I like to keep in touch with a call every week and I try and make the effort to drive home every other month. As I get older I realise that although we don’t always see eye to eye, she’s actually a pretty awesome mum and I’m lucky because so many people don’t get to have any relationship at all with theirs
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She sounds like my mum. And its funny I think she’s coming around on the gay marriage thing and you know what may have changed her mind, the tv show Modern Family, she loves it and loves the gay characters, she even has the box set to watch them all again. The other thing I think she judges me on is having my 2 year old in daycare when Im not working it really irks her, it only happens once in a blue moon when my boss changes my shift for that week (I’m a nurse), and good news its happening today….yay facial time!. Best avoid the phone though otherwise I will get the inevitable guilt trip about how “he’s much better off at home with you, your his mother, blah blah”, he only goes 2 our 3 days a week mind you not like its full time. That said I do love her to bits.
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The person who gave birth to me gives definition to the ‘c’ word.
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I think you must be my doppelgänger because that’s exactly how I feel about my mum! I don’t see why sharing some DNA with her makes me obliged to consider her any less of a ‘c’. I can’t wait for her to shrivel up and die.
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Seriously? Nope. Nada. Not going there with this one.
Just hope that when my sons answer this question in 30 years time, they are happy to go there.
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wow reading some of the comments and it’s sad that not everyone has that close relationship.
I love my Mum. I’m proud of her strength, her courage, her stamina, her wisdom. She is still here (she lives 600km away) helping me recover. She was there when my babies were born to lend a hand (in the real sense, putting on washing, making me lunch, literally helping me get the hang of breastfeeding). Being a retired nurse, she literally helped me get pregnant when I freaked out once about an IVF needle and she stuck it in my backside. Sure she has her quirks, and I wonder if we had lived closer all those years if we would have had such a close relationship, but I don’t know what I would do without her.
Husband on the other hand, loves my Mum more than his own. And yep, has that strained relationship where it is so formal. More like an arrangment. She gets to “brag” about her family, he gets to act like a dutiful son (which he doesn’t do, thus causing constant tension). sigh. I guess I’m lucky.
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Oh I love my Mum! The funny thing is it wasnt alwayd this way, we fought so, so much during my teenage years! I remember telling her I hated her and wanted such and such as my mother instead! We do however, have the ability to fight, say what we need to and then make up and move on with no real damage. In my 20′s she was my pillar of support, I can now tell her anything and she will respond with rationality and truth. She was the one person
I leant on for support for me when I was going through the worst- my ED years when I could not talk to anyone but her because of the shame I felt. Honestly I owe her the world, I am who I am because of her! She saved me from such a dark place and her love was unconditional even when i probably dofmt deserve it! Loved this piece of writing!
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My nonno always said to my mum “the more your children hate you when they are teenagers, the better job you are doing as a parent” i know the grammar is weird but you get the idea.
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Dr Phil says that too! If your teenagers like you, you’re not doing your job as their parent properly. So true, how many parents try to be their kids friend and let them do things they really shouldnt be doing…
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ha the concept of my nonno as a Dr Phil type is funnier than you know!. I learned how to swear from him and the man ALWAYS had a cigarillo in his mouth. Bloody loved that man, miss him every day. But him solving emotional problems? hell no!!
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Not true in every case I am afraid.
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But true in mine, which is all i can make comment or judgement on. So forgive me for remembering my nonno with love and humour. In my family we take most things with a grain of salt and try not to take ourselves too seriously. So it fits for us.
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I think you read me wrong. I wasn’t having a go at all, just saying that for some of us that statement doesn’t work.
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I can’t help but think that the women of my mother’s generation became passive-aggressive, narcissistic, self-absorbed, hysterical, resentful etc because they were held back in so many ways. I always wonder what they would have been like if they had been born 60 years later and were free to be themselves … as in not be forced to resign their careers or jobs the minute they married, had childcare so they could work if they needed to stretch their brains beyond the home, had their own money to spend without having to snitch it away from the household budget, lived lives beyond domestic slavery ….
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Unlike her peers my mum had all of the things my generation takes for granted today careerwise. And she is still very similar to your description of your mothers generation. I think their lifestyle and career choice is irrelevant, they are either slaves at home or at work or both and resent it either way. They were the generation that was experimented on with the pill and other medications. Maybe all the hormones from the old pill have something to do with their behaviour? I think its an attitude many older women seem to have, a very negative attitude and one I’m working hard not to have.
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It’s a good question that your posing about the influence of the older style pill hormones on women of that generation who were “experimented” on. I don’t know the answer but it would be interesting to see any research that has been done.
There is also the theory that cohorts of each generation have a strong tendency to fall in line with the behaviours of their generation and also that there are a few that resist the tendency. Perhaps your mum fell into line with her generation’s behaviours despite the advantages that she had.
There will also always be people who have disordered behaviours. There are so many women of this generation that show passive aggression, resentment, dysfunctional parenting. See the Meininger Institute studies for family therapy, especially Harriet Goldhor Lerner (author of the Dance of Anger, Women in Therapy, and a few others). They make good reading about mothers, women in families and yourself as a daughter and mother.
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Susan As Well, you have just perfectly summed up a conversation a group of us were having the other day about a number of women in our mothers’ generation. Now, do you have any advice on how to deal with them? I would be forever grateful. x rp
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What works for me is calling her out on it. Adult to adult.
Without getting hysterical myself which I used to do when I was younger.
Make sure your voice is as low as you can make it – that encourages you to feel that you mean business about the issue and that “mum, I understand you may have good reason to behave the way you do (shit, I might even behave that way myself if I had to resign my job, have no money of my own, etc etc) but I am not the cause of the way you’re feeling and we don’t have to have this kind of relationship”.
Watch your mother’s face and notice her expression when you pull her up … utter surprise at you and herself because she’s been doing it so long she doesn’t know any different and she’s forgotten that there even is a different way to deal with her feelings, she’s been getting away with it, not happy with herself for doing it, relief that she doesn’t have to keep acting out the martyr after all these years. You’re both adult women now. See what happens. No guarantees but this has worked for me.
I also encourage her to follow her dreams at every opportunity that arises.
If you care about someone, you don’t let them get away with shit but you can acknowledge they might so desperate that they try
There are women with deeply disordered behaviours and you’re best to decide whether your mother is one and whether you really want to maintain or improve your relationship with her or let it go.
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Susan can I please send my mum to you?
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LOL! Never lose hope, my lovely. The stories I could tell you about my mother and I would make your toes curl … though you probably would identify strongly!
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I have a great relationship with my Mum and have always felt really lucky, but lately I’ve noticed that our interaction seems to always revolve around my children.
My husband is 12 years older then me and I am sometimes really jealous of the way he and my Mum relate. It’s more a meeting of equals and they discuss shares and politics … things that I am interested in but which aren’t part of my relationship with my Mum.
I’m just not sure how to make that shift. Perhaps Steve is right and it is impossible to have that kind of relationship with someone who used to change your nappy!
http://mummyateme.blogspot.com.au/
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Ah well, even if you never have a fantastic relationship with your Mum, you can learn from its failings in relating to your own kids. Lovely piece <3
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That was a lightbulb moment for me – being told by a counsellor ‘you don’t have to have a good parenting example to be one.’
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My mother is on the autism spectrum. As a kid I assumed that her emotional detachment and inability to understand our emotions was my fault. When I was 10, she suffered a severe case of post natal depression and I ran the family for a while. My sister sums it up by saying “I think we knew we were loved, but we were never given love”
But now I am an adult, I have a clearer understanding of her and how life is difficult for her. It’s not my fault that she can’t read people’s emotions, that she struggles socially and that she can’t get or keep a job. Or that she throws bigger tantrums than my 2yo!
Although she has recently (at 63) finally found a job that she has kept for longer than a year. Teaching English to speakers of other languages. It is a running joke in the family that she has found a bunch of people that are impossible to offend.
It’s a work in progress. But I understand her better now that I’m older, and that helps a lot.
(My dad is still around, he’s a vacant academic type which is his way of coping. It used to make me angry that he would opt out, but now I am better able to see why he does)
They’ve been married for nearly 40 years!
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Wow, it would be an interesting mile in your family’s shoes!
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Very timely. I am about to embark on a 3 hr road trip with just my mother tomorrow. It’s going to be interesting. She visited us last year overseas, travelling by herself for the first time. We ended up with a screaming match when I was accused of “treating her like a child”. We both have got over it. But this is the first one on one time with no husbands and no kids. I must tell myself to talk with her as a friend and see how it goes. Finger crossed we have 3 hrs of car conversation to keep us going.
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Put her in the backseat with a DVD player……distracts the kids
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My relationship with my mother is fine – not amazing, we’re not ‘best friends’ like that, but we hardly ever have a difference of opinion and we can sit and chat for ages over a cup of tea.
I think this is the ‘being adults together’ stage, and I have to say, it’s pretty darn nice! My brother cops a few tasks, same as me when he visits, but we have dinner with our parents about once a week, so we get to sit and chat as well as tidy things up for the ‘rents while we’re there. The key for us is just not to go too long without seeing each other
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I love my mama. I don’t have the urge to go back and live with my folks again, but I love them both very much. I regularly go to their place on the weekend just to hang out. Mum and I are both teachers and she rarely stops talking. Even when she does, she is inclined to break the silence thirty seconds later with something silly (silly humour runs in the family). She’s 54, but very young at heart and great company.
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Im into my 7th year of counselling for my Mummy Issues (and father / brother too but it all comes back to my mother) and it’s amazing just how much my lack of relationship has gone onto leak into other parts of my life. It takes do much strength and constant learning to do things differently with my own children, with whom I feel I’m learning how to love, be loved and be lovable. Even at her death she pulled off a passive aggressive tactic and I still hate her for it. I try not to let my deep pain and sadness make me bitter and hating like her but I feel so rejected, not just in being ripped off with not having a ‘good’ mother daughter relationship but by knowing I was never enough in life and then in death. I am deeply envious of all of you who have great relationships with your mothers (and sisters) as the concept is completely foreign to me andG I have always wanted it so much. Now I’m focusing on forgiving myself for wanting a different past in order to create the family ive always wanted with my own wonderful husband and kids, somehow. So far so good though..
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Good luck on your journey. Thanks for sharing. You will be an awesome mother to your children.
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Absolutely know how you feel. Ever since my daughter was born I can no longer tolerate my mother being confrontational, unapologetic, critical and condescending. She has done nothing to help me with my baby, visited once in ten months but would like to take credit for how beautiful and happy my daughter is and question every decision I make.
So sad that she is robbing herself of time with us because she’s so consumed with the failings of others.
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Hippy Hip, your comment was so sad that I felt I needed to reach out to you. If I could clone my mum I would send her your way in a second. Sending you a cyber mamamia hug and luck in helping you move through your difficult time.
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Hang in there, chick. The way I deal with my mother stuff is to be the mother I wish I had. Doesn’t always work, but I am open and honest with my kids that I’m human and flawed. Remember, you are worthy of their love. So very worthy.
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