I don’t have a lot of time for people who excuse their bigotry, racism or prejudice with the feeble defence “Can’t you take a joke?”. Triple J presenter and singer Brendan Maclean knows exactly what this feels like. He writes..
I’m a slashy. Singer-slash-Presenter-slash-Whatever pays the bills this week. A slashy. It’s a path that requires a certain thickness of the skin. In the music world the phrase “Water off a duck’s back” involves more of a deluge, in the realm of Twitter the rain never stops and sometimes it leaks through.
My fondest memory of criticism was at my first sold out gig. The applause was hearty and units were shifted. As the room emptied I was delighted to find a young lady had left a letter on the merchandise desk. It read:
“You are a superficial, bland performer. That was more a tired cabaret than songwriting. You wasted my money and my time, quit while you’re ahead and go into children’s entertainment.”
Well I had been working as a clown at Luna Park and besides life is, after all, a cabaret.
My friends too, know how to hurl abuse. Being chums with comedians like Rhys Nicholson and Tom Ballard has its high points but there are days we treat each other like target practice for new material. This is where intention comes in. Growing up in the Sutherland Shire I endured the gamut of insults. I am indeed ‘a gay’ and my peers made sure to remind me of it everyday – which is lucky as I might have forgotten.
So with angry punters and adolescent twats in my past, it came as a surprise when one sentence from a middle-aged woman brought me to tears.
I was working in admin, when my boss decided to send in a little help to speed things up. Mrs. Helpful and me hadn’t spoken much in the past and she, being isolated to her desk, was desperate for conversation: Where I grew up, where I performed and who I was dating. The last question inevitably leading her to ask,
“So when did you come out?” A common question; sixteen is the answer.
“Wow. That is crazy.” Oh, I guess it is a bit…
“Your dad must have been so embarrassed!”
And there it was. Out fell my chest, up came my lunch. I could feel my skin glowing red but I tried to keep a straight face as she barreled onwards.
“What does he do?” He is a sales-rep and coached football for…
“Football?! Oh god, he would have been so embarrassed in front of his mates.”
I folded my envelopes quietly, nodding as she lamented that The Shire was at least a safe place for a child to grow up and that she would not know what to do if her child was gay – it would be too stressful for her.
It sat with me and then came tumbling forth like a wardrobe full of old beige cargo pants you thought you’d never see again. She had pierced my thickened skin and tore me apart.
The following day she greeted me with a picture,
“Do you think he’s gay?” I don’t know.
“But you guys ‘know’ don’t you?” No.
“Where do you live?” Inner-west.
“I thought you’d live in Potts Point with the rest of the poofters!” She cackled.
Later that day I made a complaint to my boss. He took it seriously but I already knew her response. It’s one I’ve experienced before. Of course she was not aware she had offended me, of course she hadn’t meant to offend me and, of course, at no point in the day could she remember me being even remotely offended. After all I had said nothing – just smiled and nodded.
Our curiosity about what other people do based on their sexuality is not an open invite to declare your assumptions in an “out loud” voice. I, for example, was suddenly keen to find out what her father thought of her being a fifty-something year old being paid to do the same job as a twenty-two year old, he must be embarrassed? And you must really like getting divorced, that’s what you breeders do right? But no – I did not ask. Someone might take it personally.
So where do you draw the line on a joke? Perhaps it’s the taxi-driver quipping about “damn Asian drivers.” or a grumpy old man blaming the price of petrol on “all them Boat People.” When do we stop awkwardly laughing along because it’s the easy option, even when it comes to ourselves? Sure, some people never learn but there are some that will – if only we have it in us to stop the snowball rolling down the hill.
**For the record, no, my father isn’t embarrassed. Considering my idea of coming out to him was being arrested for being underage in a gay bar – I’d say my dad is a bit of a hero when it comes to acceptance.
When do you draw the line? When does funny stop being funny and start being offensive or when should you just stop asking questions? Got any experiences you can share?






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It’s been such a pleasure reading over your comments and stories. To be honest – I was worried people wouldn’t relate. I’m really interested to hear more about times where you’ve drawn the line? It’s such a nerve racking experience.
And your feedback on the video really warmed my heart. I think my favourite moment is when the wonderful bald gentlemen gets a blob full of jelly right on the forehead. Gold!
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I think it’s a really nice clip and a great song. I’ve sent it to my teen daughters.
Discovering new music is usually the other way round so lots of brownie points for me!
Good luck with it.
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Great song and I really liked the video clip Brendan! It made me smile. Thanks so much!
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Beautifully written Brendan (it makes my tampon piece on the same page seem just a tad vacuous, but a RED hot issue non the less).
I drew the line, when living in the US a couple of years ago. A friend (an Aussie friend also in the States) sent me an email with a racist undertone, I was surprised, deleted it and moved on. Then came another, which actually made me feel sick, and then finally on the 3rd one I sent a “reply all” on why I didn’t think it was right. Things got very awkward, her husband and brother both replied angrily on her behalf. It was icky.
I have 4 children who are all little and we talk often about standing up for what is wrong and how if you let things pass you have basically agreed and said it’s okay.
It’s not okay.
Kirsty
4 kids, 20 suitcases and a beagle
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I think articles like the one you have written have a bigger impact than you might know. It reminds us to be aware of how we impact on others regardless of what we may be going through in life. It’s important to talk about issues around how much can we or should we tolerate whether that be in relation to sexuality, racism, disability, mental illness, individual differences or just being yourself and people don’t like who you are.
One example from my life: I was being treated for depression and it was really serious. One of my lecturers at uni mentioned I didn’t look as ‘bright’ and that it was like the lights were on but no one was home. I remember telling another lecturer what they had said and they were very upset and reassured me that I was still very much there. Fortunately I also remember the positive things that people said to me through those times- it was those things that changed my life. The benefit of having people cross the line is knowing that next time you may be able to stand up for yourself or someone else.
Some people don’t have any awareness of how their behaviour impacts on others or how inappropriate their comments. Some people think it’s okay to ask you about your personal life when they barely know you, your circumstances, you background etc. I have to say though that sometimes, as with your example, you are so shocked or angry at the time that words fail you straight away. You know you want to say something but timing is important. I think it’s important to be objective as you can. I know we each value different things but we each deserve to be treated with respect. It only takes one person to prevent or stop a downward spiral into bullying or harassment.
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People are stupid. I think we just have to realise that. They don’t think before they open their mouths.
I also hate the “no offence, but…” line. They obviously know what they’re saying is going to be offensive but seeing as that’s not their intention (or sometimes it is and they’re just trying to sound ‘nice’) they think putting in a disclaimer will stop the hurt. Morons.
That said, if she’s sitting there saying this stuff all day and you complain to the manager before expressing your feelings to her, I dunno if that’s exactly fair. I’d probably be too much of a wuss to say something to her too, but I wouldn’t go complain to the boss without saying something to her first. It ticks me off when I have unknowingly offended somebody and they go and whinge to other people without telling me first, especially when they haven’t even *acted* upset (perhaps they’ve gone the opposite direction and acted fine and happy).
I also think the “just joking/kidding/teasing” line does have a purpose. Just not in situations where you’ve obviously said something really offensive and are just trying to get out of it. My husband and I use it with each other all the time. Usually the other person is only pretending to be offended just to get kisses and brownie points
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I think you’ve made a good point. I am really non-confrontational, but I think sometimes if someone says something, directly to you and in opposition to your beliefs, you absolutely 100% have to say something.
It not acceptable to let things like that slide. People say crap like that because they get away with it.
I’m often afraid of doing it, but sometimes you have to ‘stand up for what you believe in’
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I always hate when I go clothes shopping (when I can stomach it, that is) and people try to help me. It’s not the helping part I don’t like, it’s the bit when they ask how the sizing is and I say “Um, a bit big” and they respond with, “Oh, well you’ve got to get more meat on your bones, look at you! I’d miss you if you turned sideways”.
Thanks.
I’d much rather get a “Hm, well perhaps this cut just isn’t for you. Keep checking in in the future, we get different styles all the time so you never know what will pop up that you might like!”
If I do manage to put weight on in the future, I won’t be coming back to shop at your store. Not to mention that I’m not that small that nothing bloody fits, I just need to find the right styles and telling me how skinny I am isn’t very helpful.
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“they respond with, “Oh, well you’ve got to get more meat on your bones, look at you! I’d miss you if you turned sideways”.”
Sheesh, that’s rude.
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I agree, that is incredibly rude. To be honest, I never comment on anyone’s shape as it is so rife with trouble! I tell people they look nice, they look happy, radiant, gorgeous, etc, but nothing on shape or size.
What I hate, when shopping, is when I am trying on something and they say it is “flattering”. It is enough to make the credit cards glue themselves into my purse. No doubt I am being oversensitive but…when I hear “it’s flattering”, I assume it means “You look less fat than usual”.
Oh how we torture ourselves!!!
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AT least you don’t get people asking you when the baby is due! Twice now!
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I find it AMAZING that people are so quick and so happy to berate a person for being slim or skinny.
I was skinny in highschool (no reason, just had a small frame and didn’t fill out properly until I was about 18) and people I barely knew would take it upon themselves to tell me I wasn’t eating enough and that I looked “ano”.
Yet can you imagine if someone went up to a bigger person and said “you look a bit obese – I think you’re eating too much”. Its unheard of!
Craaaaazy world we’re living in Shannon!
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I agree with almost all of what you’ve said – BUT as a bigger person – people do come up to you and tell you you’re obese & comment on what & how much you eat
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I once had a shop lady say: “That dress is perfect on you, it hides all your cellulite!”
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You are kidding, right?! That attitude is disgusting! Who TRAINS these people?
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My brother is more than happy to tell me I have a fat ass and I eat too much. He says things like “That chocolate bar is going straight to your hips” or “Jesus, look at your ass, it’s huge!” Then cacks himself laughing.
It is so embarrassing and humiliating. My Dad does it too. The other day he said “God, look at your stomach, I can see it through your top. It’s getting fat!”
I am so self conscious of my belly and my hips, as they are quite pudgy, and I no longer fit into my skinny jeans. I have taken to having salads for dinner and exercising for half an hour a day using my Kinect.
I haven’t had any sales assistants comment on my body though, thank God. My family are just very blind to the fact that it hurts when they say these things. Dad and brother brush the comments off as “Oh, you know I am joking! Sheesh!!”
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That’s horrible, I wouldn’t put up with that.
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Since I became pregnant, it’s been a running commentary of, “Oh, look how BIG you are now!”
They would have never made these comments about my size pre-pregnancy, so it bugs me that at one of the most emotionally sensitive times in my life, certain people feel they have the right to make these comments. Of course, they’re not trying to be offensive – they’re just being inconsiderate.
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i think some people genuinely mean it nicely. but some people are just having a go. it did my head in with all pregnancies. if random strangers said something i would say “oh are you a midwife?” suggesting that unless they were they really had no idea!
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Funny I never mind being told that I’m enormous when pregnant. It’s true after all!
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Oh, I hate hearing pregnancy remarks. And people accidently asking when someone is due when they aren’t even pregnant. I never ask, as a rule of thumb. No matter how pregnant they look, I’ll wait for them to mention it, or it goes unmentioned!
I never realised that saying “Look how big you are now!” was considered rude. I haven’t said it myself but I’ll take that into account for the future!
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I’ve always worked on the idea that one (especially a bloke) NEVER EVER EVER asks if a woman is pregnant, let alone when she might be due. Even if you can see the baby crowning.
It’s just too easy to say something even subtly wrong which causes great offense, and then if you realise and try to apologise, given how lazy a lot of people are with expressing themselves (see the above “I’m sorry if I offended you…”) you’ll screw that up too.
I do get accused of speaking too slowly, but I prefer it – say what you mean to say, and say it unambiguously. I’ll take the time to figure that out, rather than “blah blah blah, I mean ….”
(manners with a side order of linguistic pedantry)
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When I was pregnant, I found it distressing that such a miraculous, beautiful thing was the source of amusement for others. My belly measurements were normal, I was an average size, and yet it didn’t stop one woman from saying “oh my god, you’re huge! You look like you have 5 babies inside of you!”, followed by giggles from others in the room. Disappointing, people. Pregnant women are beautiful and don’t exist to be the butt of “big” jokes and stupid comments.
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I am so proud of you darling
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Ignorance, lack of empathy, bad manners and a big mouth are a bad combination.
This excellent post, the one on bottle feeding and the one on the funerals of asylum seekers are all highlighting the same ugly characteristics of some of our fellow Australians.
How can we help people appreciate the pain that their words and attitudes cause without sinking to their level?
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No tact is also very offensive.
Brendan, Very good post.
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I witnessed the worse judgement on two random people the other day. Two 20 odd year olds walking into myer and a man says loudly to his wife about thhem “what poofs!” I had to stop myself from either tackling him or yelling at him. He didnt even know that they were in fact gay, just two men walking into a shop together. He was saying it in a joking way, but you could tell he wasnt really joking.
Just because you laugh at the end of a sentence, doesnt make it acceptable!
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I live in Kingsford, Sydney, and have often heard the term “Chingsford” used when I tell them my address. They laugh and think it’s clever but it’s not and they have even said it in front of my 3 year old who is like a parrot.
I just tell them it’s not funny and leave it at that. They are usually just shocked that someone called them on it.
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Oi! My hometown. And where my granddad still lives. In fact, the street he lives on, the first house on that whole block was built my my great-granddad.
Feel free to give anyone who says anything negative about Kingsford a serve for me.
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We get “Chatswoo” and CHatswong”
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I love this article, especially about the snowball effect, many times I have ‘offended’ my parents in law when they make racist ignorant comments and have decided to enlighten them. I’m their difficult daughter in law and I couldn’t give a shit
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Lol, me too, I think they just roll their eyes at me know but my darling hubby tells me to just make fun of MIL, they all think she is an idiot lol
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This I don’t understand. How is calling people out on their shitty remarks worse than their original comment? Keep fighting the good fight!
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I hear you. My father in law used to think it was hilarious to use his charming names for all the asian folks (ie ‘will you look at all the…[insert offensive slang here]‘) when we ate out at Victoria Street, and similar charming expressions for other occasions. I used to berate him every time (difficult daughter-in-law – check), and it’s just occurred to me that it’s been years since he’s used any of those ignorant racist-crap names.
Keep at it and maybe yours will get the message too!
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Lol my NIL and BIL went to Chinatown in Sydney a few years ago. Thougt they knew all there was to know about Feng Shui lol. Came home and told me that “it was full of Asians”. Seriously. I think I actually gave up on them and their hypocrisy at that point:(
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Thanks everyone! I will continue to offend all ignorant people everywhere and swer to be difficult forever more WHOOP WHOOP!
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Funny stops being funny the second an insensitive and ignorant gik opens their mouth. It doesn’t matter how things are said, or the intent. If it’s likely to offend or hurt, SHUT THE HELL UP!!!
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Bottom line: funny stops being funny when someone gets hurt.
Unfortunately it seems that a lot of human nature delights in making others look or feel bad in order for us to feel superior. This is why I can’t stand shows like “Funniest Home Videos” – watching other people (usually kids, the overweight or the elderly) falling over or getting injured in some way (complete with sound effects) doesn’t amuse me in the slightest. It just makes me cringe & reminds me that as a society, we have a long way to go.
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the rule in our house is “It’s not funny unless EVERYBODY’s laughing.”
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Good rule!
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Oh yes, that show upsets me greatly. What if they hurt themselves badly?! Terrible.
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My personal feeling is that if you have to start or end a sentence with the term “no offence” you’re being offensive (and probably know it).
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so so so true!!!!!
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Haha, I just remember Jaime from Summer Heights High…
“Wife beaters and rapists are nearly all public school educated…sorry, no offense, but it’s true.”
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Or the classic ‘I have black/Asian/gay friends so I *can’t* be racist/homophobic’.
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or I AM black/asian/whatever, so I can’t be racist. Sadly it’s not restricted to white people in my experience.
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Exactly, racists come from all countries, sexes, sexual orientations, religions, political affiliations etc.
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Hmm… my comment seems to have vanished into the depths of cybersapce. My reply was: Exactly, racists come from all countries, sexes, sexual orientations, religions, political affiliations etc.
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nothing makes me rage more than the phrase ‘i was only joking!’ said with such loaded feeling, as if you were too sensitive and annoying for getting offended.
AAAARGH!
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I agree, just wrote the same thing! If you have to justify it, or argue your way out of it, it’s not funny.
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It never fails to astound me how rude some people can be. As some of you know I’ve been considering getting jaw surgery to fix a grinding problem on my back molars. This would involve wearing braces for 9 months – a decision I’m struggling with.
I talked to a girl I know the other day who wears braces as a 26 year old. She said the number of people who say “aren’t you a bit old for braces?” Is out of control. One day she snapped and told someone to mind their business as she actually had a medical condition. The person back-pedalled like crazy and turned out that old line “I didn’t mean to offend you”
If you didn’t mean to offend then choose your words much more carefully!! You might never know how much you’ve hurt someone.
Good on you for standing up to that awful woman, Brendan. I know it sounds like a cliche but she’s the loser in this scenario because she has to go through life being that ignorant.
x
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My husband got braces at the age of 44. He now has a brilliant smile he is proud of and less dental bills. The only flak he got was from old mates in England that still have really bad teeth and thought he was being a bit precious. So go for it!
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i had braces at 40 when i could finally afford them and it helped my confidence immensely,also got the comment ” your partner must think hes with a teenager” how bizzare!!
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Do you think that maybe your comment on english people having bad teeth is offensive? why do people seem to think it is alright to say racist things about British people? And I am sorry to say, Australian people in particular seem to thinks its ok, which I can support with the experience of living here since I was four. my lecturer only the other day made a comment on ‘whining poms’ in the middle of class. I am an australian of English descent and I find comments like this really offensive. The words Pom/my, and the phrases ‘soap dodger’ (which my mum has been called) bad teeth and whining poms etc are just as offensive as what is deemed innapropraite to say about any other ethnic group. Its interesting that no one commented/dissagreed with this example of blatant racism. It seems that british people are exempt from the ant-racism bandwagon…
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Bo Please get the braces!
I am 26 and have lived with them for over two years now counting down till they are removed in a couple of months. I was absolutely petrified getting them on and struggled with the thoughts of what other people would say, and as it turns out has been the BEST thing I have ever done for myself.
People have commented far and wide on their thoughts of how ugly I now look and how I look like a teenager and not a woman. But you know what this whole time has reinforced what I knew all along. Life is not about how you look because I am still the same person, Braces or no Braces. x
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I got braces when I was 28 years old & spent the following two years trying to hide my teeth. That being said, I had been so ashamed of my smile since I was about 13, trying to smile with my mouth closed for another two years wasn’t such a big deal because I knew how gorgeous my smile would be after my treatment was finished. When I finally had my braces removed I was so proud of myself – the physical pain, the embarrassment & the horrendous cost involved (more than $10,000!) was definitely worth it. And who’s to say that you’ll have a negative experience when wearing them? People might look at you & think, “Oh, you’ve got braces” in the same way they think, “Oh, you’ve got reading glasses.”
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I know you dont mean it, but i have to say that I actually find those observational comments rather annoying. Not offended, just annoyed.
I may often wear pants to work and then one day I’ll feel like a change and wear a skirt. This apparently is invitation for the “you’re wearing a skirt today” comment. It could very well be a compliment but it is also filled with innuendo. So what if I wear a skirt? Am i not allowed to? So what if you now wear glasses? What do you mean by your observational comment?
Make your comment a compliment by saying “I like your skirt” or “I like your new glasses”, or don’t say anything. Stop making me feel more self conscious than I need to.
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My 40 year old friend has “invisalign” braces, she’s very happy and you can’t even see them. If they are suitable for your condition perhaps you could try them. (Not to excuse sill people who make ignorant comments)
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Get the braces Bo, I got braces when I was 27 and had them on for 2 years. I felt like a bit of a dick at the time, but now they are off – my teeth are fabulous!
I got mine for a grinding problem and also my teeth had gone way out of alignment since having them on as a teen. I kept reminding myself that a lifetime of good un-ground down teeth is so worth it.
I was pregnant when I was wearing them and got them off 2 months before the baby was born. My whole face has changed by just aligning my jaw and teeth properly. And I got wisdom teeth out just before the braces went on.
You won’t regret fixing your teeth!
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There was an ad on tv recently for travel insurance. It asked viewers travelling to Thailand if they wanted a “happy ending” and then spoke about travel insurance. I found it nauseating to think they would joke about the grotesque exploitation of vulnerable women by many Australian men. NOT FUNNY.
A friend of a friend is about to go on a holiday. It will be to trek the Himilayas, but not before a stopover in Bangkok to “warm up”. NOT FUNNY.
Urgh.
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Exploiting vulnerable women in Thailand? You’re joking right? Have you ever been there? They used to pull my husband into the bars when I was walking a little behind him. If I hadn’t caught up to him, they would have had their hands down his crotch.
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Hmmm I think you sound like you are generalizing. Surely not all women in Thailand are like that. Do you think they all grow up wanting to put their hands into ‘farang’ pants (farang = foreign in Thai) for money? I don’t know that anyone would ever say, “I want to be a prostitute someday, Mum!”
There are A LOT of vulnerable women in Thailand who are sold by their very poor families into sex slavery. It is unfortunate that you and your husband experienced that, but please do not generalize.
In fact those women you speak of probably had a quota – if they didn’t get enough people in the bar (for drinks, not sex) they would be beaten or not paid. The way it works is you lure men in and get them to buy you and themselves lots of alcohol, meaning money for the bar. Sex is either not on the table or extra payment.
Sorry for the rant but just wanted you to see the big picture.
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These women are being exploited, no questions about it. I just think it’s a bit rich to say it’s by ‘Australian men’ – their families who sell them into sex slavery – definitely; the people who ‘buy’ them – absolutely.
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Well said Bren! I’ve always been proud of Brendan. We (Leah and I) are particularly proud right now about his ability to write such a touching article and the great video that’s been released today. We care that he loves and is loved, regardless of the gender of the person involved. I can say unequivocally that I’ve never been embarrassed of Brendan, his partners, friends or choices… well maybe his choice in daggy underwear
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Aww, go dad.
My mum’s the same- she’s never been embarrassed by my choice of partner. Some of my outfits, on the other hand…
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Dad!
You just had to bring up the undies.
x
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Rofl, that is just so sweet, yo are very lucky to have such great parents xx
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Ohh, Brendan, Dads are just so embarrassing!
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awww
can you adopt me. You sound like a wonderful father
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best dad ever
you are both, father and son, amazing men.
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It’s not just about being gay. No one should assume that they have the right to comment on another person’s life without invitation. “I’m just joking” is an excuse my 6yo uses when he’s ribbing his sister. I expect it of a 6yo and it’s something he is learning NOT to do. As an adult, “I’m just joking” is a childish way to excuse your big mouth when you’ve just opened it before thinking.
I have a friend whose son is always being asked at school if he really has two mums? Obviously the kids are only parroting what their parents have said at home, but it wears thin really quickly, and a kid shouldn’t have to develop a thick skin at his age. We’re trying to come up with a snappy answer to stop them in their tracks without telling them to p!$$ off!. Any thoughts?
BTW Brendan – love the song and the clip
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As Bart writes on the board in The Simpsons,
Adding “just kidding” doesn’t make it ok to insult the principal.
Perhaps some of these people could do with writing 100 lines of something like that.
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He could say “Yes I’ve got two mums, how many have YOU got?”
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Yeah when they ask if he has two Mums, he should say ‘Yes’ and walk away. There’s no need for a witty reply because he’s got nothing to be ashamed of.
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Oh I do love it when Shire people start waxing lyrical about how awesome it is. I went to Tafe with a bloke who swore blind there was no drug use or homosexuals in the Shire. Sadly any sledges you throw back at people like this would go straight over their heads. Hard to laugh it off though, huh?
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Are you serious?
This article is about not offending people and you come in slagging off the shire saying they wouldn’t get it.. aaand the author is from the shire.
I just don’t get how people think they can write off a whole area because of perceived stereotypes.
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Um, I was having a go at people like the bloke I went to Tafe with and the woman in the article that Brendan had to endure carrying on about the Shire. Neither are perceived stereotypes, they are speaking from experience.
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this might sound ignorant but where/what is the the shire? I just keep thinking of Lord of The Rings haha
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It is South Sydney. Not entirely sure of the boarder surburbs but I always thought of it as Cronulla et al.
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You are right. The only reason I know anything about the reference is because I heard Kathy Lette talking about being a “shire girl” one morning. Have no real idea what area it encompasses but Cronulla and surrounding areas are included so far as I can tell.
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Interestingly when Kathy Lette was a teen and wrote the seminal Puberty Blues that expression didn’t exist.
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See I would have thought it was an old expression. Strange that someone like her who doesn’t live there anymore(as far as I know) would call herself that. Unless she was being ironic, she did make quite a big deal of the phrasing, even called Elle MacPherson a shire girl, so I dunno.
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Won’t let me reply down below. No I don’t remember ever hearing it when I was a teenager in the 70′s.
I actually didn’t know what it meant when it was first bandied about in the media.
Kathy Lette lives in London with her hubby Geoffrey Robinson. I doubt she gets back to the Shire much.
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It’s the Sutherland Shire, *not* South Sydney. Russell Crowe might get a bit annoyed at you for that!
It starts on the southern side of Botany Bay and goes down to the Royal National Park. Includes Cronulla, Sylvania Waters and (iirc) a bunch of suburbs across towards the Hume Highway.
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I know me too… I was thinking it was a nickname for a suburb. Sounds very hobbity!
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It’s where Sylvania Waters is, and where Cronulla is (ie where the riot happened).
It is quite waspy but working class and people who are proud of it call it god’s country and the like, and tend to not like leaving it. Hobbits is a good description.
And I know someone might be offended but really, stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason.
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My FIL is an absolute shocker. He’s 62, the most homophobic man on the planet and tells sexist and women-bashing jokes with abandon. Every conversation is peppered with “poof”, “faggot”, “bitch”, “hooker” etc. Personally I think he’s so sex deprived himself that he talks about brothels, hookers and STD’s endlessly. Maybe he even goes there, I don’t know.
After knowing him for 15 years and voicing my disgust many a time, now I don’t even bother. He told a really off colour “joke” on the weekend and introduced it by saying to me, “here you go Jen, here’s one you’ll like!”. And it was about a woman being raped which somehow got turned into a joke. And his wife of 38 years says absolutely nothing, not even a flicker of ANYTHING crosses her face.
My husband (his son) cringes constantly and is embarrassed but says nothing too other than the occasional “oh that’s a bit rough..”.
What can you do?
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I discussed this with my brother a few weeks ago about our (same aged) dad. Its like he shows off with his bigoted comments when others are around (even his wife – she is just as bad as him). He actually sits there and claims that refugee boats and the people on them should be “used for target practice”! Oddly, both of them are OK with the gays though, but I assume that is because they both worked for a looooong time in the airlines and worked closely with the gays. On his own, he’s actually quite moderate and normal, but when he gets an audience, off he goes.
I said to my bro: “Why do you think I hang out with the kids so much at family things when they are there? The kids have a far better grasp on the issues of the day than what shit dribbles out of their mouths”. It gets really depressing, because if you go anywhere with them, everyone is a grub or a germ or there is something wrong with them. Um, no, dad, they’re just people doing their thing. I have been known to give them a mouthful about it, but now I find it more effective just getting up and walking away – this is more noticeable too as my brother and sister and Mum or whoever is there and disagrees just get up too.
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I’ve seen this time & time again from my own FIL & other men in his age group. What bugs me the most is that the people who are closest to them – their wives & children (& these are usually people who disagree with their statements) never say anything! It’s bad enough to hear these bigoted comments but to give them an audience really pisses me off!
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It’s difficult when it’s in the family. My BIL is like this – truly appalling. My sister pretty much ignores it and sometimes in the past I have reacted. But his response is the ‘joking’ thing, asking me if *I* am kidding, and then he goes on and on about my ‘sensitivities’ and in fact doubles up on the racism/sexism/whatever as if to beat me down. He wants to goad me on. Now I just walk away, I still want a relationship with my sister and her kids and if things got too nasty that might be what would suffer.
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Perhaps we have the same FIL. And what gets me really really mad is that my hubby will never call him on his bad behaviour!
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I really enjoyed this artcle, thanks Brendan.
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OMG – It’s not until you’re on the receiving end of one of these ‘jokes’ that you understand. I always thought racism happened to others, or on TV or in the movies. (Yep – I’ll admit my ignorance here as a middle-class-ish blonde-haired euro-mongrel white girl).
Then one day my boyfriend’s grandmother told me something I did was ‘not how we do things here in Australia’, and I probably didn’t understand because neither of my parents speak English. Oh, and I shouldn’t embarrass myself by doing debating at school because I’m German and sound like Hitler.
YEP. HITLER.
I kid you not.
I am white, 6th gen Aussie on Mum’s side, 2nd on Dad’s. English is the only language spoken at home. At that age, I had never even been outta the country, so I had no idea what made her think I needed to be told ‘how things are done here’!
All of her wild assumptions were based on MY LAST NAME.
It was like a smack in the face! I think I actually laughed I was so shocked! Truly: It can happens anytime to anyone!
Oh, and I kept up the debating BTW. I may have sounded like Hitler, but at least I learned how to give a reasoned and intelligent opinion.
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Oh my lord, that’s appalling!
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I’d never heard of you before, Brendan — but I loved that song and clip, and will be keeping an eye out now! Great article too.
I have experienced something like this in the sense of a coworker who used to (and still does, although I no longer work there) pick someone (usually the young, new, female) to subject to his barrage of moderately offensive jokes/talk/nicknames. I was the subject of such “jocularity” and broke down one day (when he was not even in the office!) over it. My supervisor immediately called in the head of our section, such was his concern. I didn’t want to make a fuss, I knew he thought he was just making a joke, but I was worn down by all of it. The head spoke to him the next day — he was, of course, mortified, not having thought any of it more than just banter, and stopped immediately.
But he hasn’t changed — his views and statements might be partly generational — and I have heard that he has since subjected others to similar treatment, such that one girl left due to it. However, since he has been there so long, had pressures at home, etc. etc. not much happens.
It’s up to other people, perhaps whom none of this offends (i.e. he’s only joking, I don’t mind it, but maybe it’s hurting that person’s feelings) to stop it. Put yourself in their shoes. Would that hurt your feelings if it were you? Well, don’t let it happen then!
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Oh, this made me wince. Been there, Brendan, been there. I am a child-free by choice, lesbian, vegetarian, lefty artist who lives smack bang in bogan outer-suburbia. You can imagine. Thing that gets me is how many people think others’ lifestyles are their business. It doesn’t even really matter what the subject of comments is. Body shape, religion, race, sexuality, dietary choices, reproductive choices… Everyone has had a run-in with someone with bigoted views and no social boundaries. I find a dry, “Oh, good thing I *asked* for your opinion…” does the trick. That is, if they’re not too thick to register the sarcasm. *sigh* But in terms of the more serious matter of bigotry- yes, absolutely call them on it. I think we have a duty to. Especially on the behalf of others who can’t/won’t advocate for themselves.
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I find it surprising that you discuss how you should call people out on bigotry when you state that you live in “bogan outer-suburbia.” Sounds like hypocrisy to me. You seem to be the one with bigoted views and no social boundaries.
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Dude. I get what you’re saying, and I agree that classism isn’t ok. But my neighbourhood is filled with aggressive-V8-driving, homophobic, chain-smoking, sexually-harrassing arseholes with “fuck off, we’re full” stickers on their cars. I’m judging a behaviour, not a class.
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I probably could have phrased it better, yes.
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As a response to someone calling you on hypocrisy, I really feel that your counter response is utterly breathtaking and beyond belief on several levels.
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to be fair… If your neighbour yell sexual abuse at you, then I think you’ve earned the right to call them bogan?
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Sounds to me like you’re making other peoples “lifestyles” your business. V8 driving, chain-smoking, bogan? Your business?
As with the homophobia and racism you describe, I think it’s very unfair that you accuse a whole community of these crimes.
It’s as bad as saying all Asians are…..
Obviously homophobia and racism are unacceptable attitudes but you’ve not accused anyone specifically, rather you’ve put down a whole community of people.
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Helly, could you elaborate, please? That’s a genuine request, by the way- I would like to know what it is I’ve said that’s so offensive and hopefully address it.
“Sounds to me like you’re making other peoples “lifestyles” your business. V8 driving, chain-smoking, bogan? Your business?”
As I said before, I could have phrased it better. Of course not everyone who lives in my suburb is a bogan, nor is every “bogan” (perhaps I should steer clear of saying bogan…) a bad person. I am talking about a specific type of person (yes, I just said “type”) that I observe in my neighbourhood on a daily basis. These people display aggressive behaviour (I’m genuinely bemused that being offended by a common *behaviour* is seen by some as akin to racism). These behaviours impact me personally therefore I feel I have the right to comment on them. I get leered/wolf-whistled at, tailgated and smoked on pretty much every time I leave the house. One of those V8-driving pricks killed my cat.
How making these observations is similar to saying “I don’t like Asians” I do not know. You’re clearly more enlightened than I am.
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I think people (myself included) find your post difficult because it does come across as classist and whilst criticising people of making generalisations and stereotypes your attitude seems to reflect a similar sort of prejudice towards other peoples lifestyles (smoking, the cars they drive).
I think when discussing matters it’s really important to keep things in context and to quote correctly. No one said you don’t like Asians. You’ve misquoted and thus the meaning has been lost.
One person nearly ran over your cat (very sad, I love cats too). But this is how racism, homophobia, classism thrives. The behaviour of a person is taken to be representative. This is what the quote “It’s as bad as saying all Asians are…..” was trying to express.
I think that you might be failing to see the points people are making. Read through the posts more carefully.
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Kate, that does make sense, and I’m sorry for causing offence. I will amend to saying I am surrounded by a lot of individuals displaying common behaviours which bother me and affect me personally. I will try to leave class and labels out of it from now on.
And he didn’t nearly hit my cat, he hit her. And killed her. My other cat is now fully indoors- lesson learnt.
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i don’t know about you, but i get more ‘jokes’ about me being vegetarian than me being gay. people get really, really (really!) fixated on vegetarianism.
but hey, animals are tasty right? hurr hurr hurr.(lighten up, nico, you probably don’t have a sense of humour as you’re too pale and weak etc etc)
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OMG same here. I’ve been vego for 23 years & have heard the same boring jokes over & over. We just got a pet pig & everyone (EVERYONE)thinks it’s funny to tell my vegetarian kids (age 3 & 5) that they’re going to eat him.I’ve had to warn people not to say that as it makes them cry. Fancy telling kids you’re going to kill their pet. F@#$king ignorant a^%$#holes.
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or when they go on and on about how vegetarians talk about nothing else and shove their beliefs down your throats.
I was at a street party over christmas and got stuck in this conversation for 45 minutes, when the only thing i had done was explain why i took the marshmallows off my cupcake and gave them to my mum!
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What are marshmellows made of?? Why are they un-vegetarian?
I’m not trying to pick or anything, I just have friends who are vego and when cook food for them try and be conscious of what they can enjoy. Seems a bit random to me.
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Salz, marshmallows (and jelly, most yogurt, ice-cream and soft lollies) contain gelatine, which usually comes from cows or pigs. If in doubt when cooking for your friends, read the ingredients label, it’s always on there. Please note, a lot of them have Halal gelatine- this isn’t vego, it just means it’s made from Halal beef.
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Thanks Cat Lady. Good to know. Ill defo check next time.
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funny jelly baby story….
when i was a young 17yr old girl working at a shop in the city, my job was to hand/offer people Jelly Baby’s as they entered…imagine my confusion when a lady refused, stating she was a Vegetarian….I admit to my ignorance here, because my answer was “Why, they’re not real babies?!” needless to say after her partner stopped wetting himself laughing he explained about gelatine…..I went very very red….but hey, you learn something new every day.
Not meaning to disrespect Vegetarians or anyone else on here today, just made me think of this…thought it may make you all laugh….
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Heehee! Love it.
And bugger it, now you’ve made me crave jelly babies.
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Yes, oh my god, yes. I have never (seriously, not ONCE) commented on someone eating meat (or even looked at them pointedly) yet I’ve had so many comments or “jokes” (ha) about my not eating it. And I love how me not laughing at hearing for the hundredth time how delicious your steak is, mmmmm, it’s reaaaalllllyyy goooood, translates as me being self-righteous. Argh…
Oh, and the marshmallow thing sucks, doesn’t it? God, I miss soft lollies.
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sour coke bottles…..gummi worms……i dream about them!
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Jellybeans and licorice are ok, though- most of them are gelatine free.
Steer clear of the Eskal marshmallows- says on the bag they’re suitable for vegetarians? They’re made with fish. Grrr.
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Chicos and clouds!!
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You could try making your own http://veganmarshmallows.blogspot.com/. Also, google tells me there are a few vegetarian marshmallow brands that you can buy.
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Ooooo. Thank you- will give them a go.
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I eat meat. No big deal, I also don’t mind if people are vegetarian or vegan, again, doesn’t affect me, so no problem. However I had someone go on and on about how farming is so cruel and mean and poor fluffy lambs (my Family are farmers) I found this offensive (It wasn’t so much that she had a belief, it felt more attacking at me and my Family) and also pointed out that she was wearing Italian leather shoes and leather bag isn’t that a bit hypocritical. However one of my best friends is vegan and she has explained to me her stand point, I respect her for being educated and firm in her beliefs, without shoving it down my neck. We have had some wonderful discussions.
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I’m a meat eater who has been judged/teased by non-meat eaters. So maybe it goes both ways?
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Brendan, we share your pain.
I make a point of stopping people when they ever so casually mention the words ‘fag’ ‘poof’ and other unpleasantries like the famous comment ‘thats so gay’.
And i’m glad other people have something to say about it.
In other news.
I love your video clip. Like White Canvas, the song is genuine and shows off your unique song writing style. The video is so cute! And backs up a lot of the songs meaning.
You be awesome sir. Big fan.
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Yeah, my brother thinks it funny to drop “fag” anywhere in a conversation. My response is a solid – “don’t use that word”. He knows my objections well. He says he thinks it’s harmless (he’s only joking, he’s really got no problem wth gay people, the person he’s talking about isn;t even gay it’s just a word, lighten up), but he definitely knows better. It’s a macho, boys club mentality that I hope he grows out of very soon.
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I pull people up on these, and also ‘retarded’ and ‘spastic’.
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I teach 14 year olds and trying to stop them from using offensive language islike trying to turn back the tide. They often call each other “retarded” and, given that we have a SEU in our school, it’s a particularly nasty word to use. When I called a class on it, one of the boys said, “Fair enough. Let’s call each other Pop Tarts instead”. So now if they want to have a go at each other they say, “You’re such a Pop Tart!” or “That’s PopTarted!”.
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I once heard Maya Angelou describe how she deals with people who make bigoted ‘jokes’.
Apparently she was hosting a big party with many fabulous guests in attendance and she overheard someone crack a racist ‘joke’.
She went to him, handed him his jacket and quietly said “You must leave now, you cannot be in my home”. He was aghast but she was insistent. She said that she believes words carry energy, and she was not going to allow this person to infect her home with hatred.
Brave lady.
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I agree this is great – but sometimes it honestly feels like no-one would be left in the house if all racist-sexist-homophobic-comment-droppers were banned….
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I detest cowardly people who cloak their bigotry behind “jokes”. Have the guts to say it if that is truly what you believe I reckon – why hide your true feelings behind jest? Let us see you as you truly are!
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A really lovely post Brendan – thank you for sharing this with all the MMers
And re: old Ms Beige – it’s often those with the thickest heads than have the thinnest skins.
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Oh my gosh, I shuddered, literally reading that. What a gorgon of a woman. That is just so unacceptable and bigoted. I don’t even know where to begin.
Regarding the issue of where do you draw the line (and what do you just let go through to the keeper), my policy is that the standard you walk by is the standard you set.
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She’s an idiot and she wasn’t joking.
Trying to cover up racist and sexist ideas under the mantle of I’m only joking is just a coward’s way of not owning up to what they are, a bigot.
This makes my blood boil, I never let people get away with offensive jokes, I don’t care who they are.
I know that my relatives think that I’m just an angry feminist but I don’t give a fuck.
Between this and the horrible response by Scott Morrison regarding the refugees funerals, it’s no wonder I feel so stabby!
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Hey my relatives think I’m an angry feminist too. Yay us!
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Am currently raising a couple more to add to our ranks!
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Hehe, my dad called me a lesbian for having feminist tendencies. When I was 10. Now where did I leave my bluestockings??
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oh my god. ten year old feminist…..bluestocking joke.
i think i love you!
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sorry no idea what either of you are on about
blue stockings? please explain.
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In answer to your question about blue stockings, it was a literary group and soon became a term for a woman who had ideas about things she shouldn’t concern herself with.
I can’t recall the date of blue stocking day. I’m sure someone here will have a less feeble memory.
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Ouch! As a 41 year old who is still at Uni and tutoring like a 20-something that one stung! And, actually, I think my father is ashamed of me…
I’m sure there’s something we all feel this way about – some more than others – but those of us in the less, shall we say, mainstream social categories do tend to cop it more. I have learnt to smile, turn away, and insult people inside my head when I hear the single-mothers speech starting. If you’re in these categories, apparently you have to be able to laugh at yourself, find your own situation a joke, and accept total responsibility for any consequences of it (for yourself and others). As well as be reminded of it all the time. As Brendan says, it’s SO EASY to FORGET!
My sister has a Japanese mother and an Anglo father and she is ALWAYS forgetting that she looks Japanese, so people very helpfully remind her by asking her if she can speak English, or complimenting her on it. Then they ask her how she manages with the Australian culture and food (born here). Most conversations with strangers, and acquaintances, refer back to her being “japanese”. Or, hilariously, “Chinese”.
My daughter (9) is always being asked by friends why she doesn’t have a father and what it’s like. They know why, they’ve asked a million times, they keep on asking even when she tells them it makes her feel bad. It would be nice if this was just about children’s “natural curiousity”, but it’s not, and they don’t outgrow it. It’s 100% related to what their parents say about things at home.
Very nice article, Brendan.
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Love ya Brendan!
There are, sadly, a LOT of these sort of people around. You find them in the most unexpected places.
When I grow up to be a middle aged woman (oh wait, I’m already there, bugger) I will be sure to never turn out rude and ignorant like that chick.
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Yes I’m never seeing 40 again and have told my children to put a pillow over my face if I suddenly start siding with the shock jocks.
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That woman was outrageous and particularly insensitive.
I am generally surprised how often people just say what they’re thinking without consideration for anyone else.
I can’t decide if they’re socially inept or incredibly stupid. Probably both.
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URGH. Although my sympathies are firmly with you, I do feel a bit sorry for this woman – in the same way I would for someone who’d woken up after a particularly heavy party with the words “I am a complete dumbass” written on their face in black texta.
There’s nothing quite like a bit of bigotry, stupidity and/or hatred and mockery to get the day going. My personal stories of this particular joy surround working behind a bar, and the slobbering misogynists who availed themselves to comment, directly, about my breasts and bottom and speculate as to my sexual proclivities with accompanying hand gestures. Too tired to nod and smile before scurrying for the manager I managed a limp “Please, it’s been a very long night – just knock it off”. This verbalised failure to join in on my own humiliation aroused a roaring chorus of “What’s the matter with you, then? AIN’T YOU GOT NO SENSE OF HUMOUR?” So then I got the manager, and then I was a shaking mess.
Sigh.
Lovely post, mate. Although I wouldn’t describe yourself as a “slashy” – more as a conceptual artist who works in the medium of chutzpah (and, for those only newly initiated into the Sublimity of Brendanness, here’s… http://bit.ly/hlwYCR)
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Some people are so damn stupid and insensitive!! I’m sorry you have to put up with people like that Brendan (I’m sorry for me too). You are clearly a very talented, interesting man. I don’t care if you have ‘the gay’ or not. None of my business. I really like your new song though. And the intelligent, heartfelt words that you wrote for this post. Thank you and good luck to you
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Loved this.
Can. Not. STAND “I was only joking”. It is always said with such self-righteous indignation. They might as well be saying “how dare you take offence at my offensive words”. If someone has been offended by something you say, sure, try to explain you didn’t mean to upset them but also – apologise. Accept responsibility for the fact that something you said hurt someone. And hold yourself accountable to not do it again.
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Jenny – I think you’ve explained why it’s so offensive to just say “ha! just joking!”. It’s because there is no apology. If you offend someone, you need to say sorry. Oh, and it helps if you mean it.
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Brendan told me this story in person the day after it happened but it really didn’t hit me how truly horrible and offensive it was till I just read it then.
I love Brendan so much. He’s truly one of the most talented people I’ve ever met and I once met Grant Denyer. Yeah that’s right I’m saying Brendan is more talented than Grant Denyer another slashy. Big call but I’m willing to stand by it.
Brendan I wish I were gay so we could date but as I’m not we’ll just have to settle for the occasional holding of hands.
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You two sound very cute. Can i join in on the hand holding?
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Everyone may join in. Our hand holding is inclusive.
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Whoa. More impressive than Grant Denyer. Awesome lol
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GREAT POST!!
I think the level we can use humour is based on our relationship with someone. Clearly this woman had no prior relationship with Brendan, so had no right to put forth her “assumptions”.
However, when it comes to people you’re really close with, I think there is some humour that is acceptable. I for one, love to make fun of my dear close friends who is from The Deep South… But I also get a ripping from her for being Italian and therefore constantly late (which is actually true) and far too outspoken and loud.
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I’m not gay… nor do I know anyone who is gay so this isn’t something really that close to my heart but when I read that that woman said those things, I cryed at my desk at work – just 20 minutes ago
How hurtful. People really need to think before they open their mouths.
All I wanted to do was jump thru the computer and hug this beautiful guy and tell him how valuable and amazing he is!
Thanks for sharing your story, Brendan
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***Tears hair out***
My best friend is gay and having had someone so close I feel like I endured all the ignorance and shortsighted-ness of those he came into contact with as well sometimes. It frustrates me no end, and it is heart breaking having to console your closest friend after hurtful remarks are made both purposely and often times ignorantly.
So many people seem to think that being gay means that your sexuality is fodder and are constantly using it as an adjective to describe who someone IS! They are not their sexuality, they are Chris, Shaun, or Brendan…I am never described as “My straight friend Felicity”.
I wish you the best Brendan, you are a very talented young man. My wish for you and society is not for you to grow a thick skin as may seem necessary, but that society grows up and into an all inclusive, respectful and supportive place. I like to think most people are inherently good and that this wont be just a pipe dream but a genuine reality in the very very near future. It is happening now
xx
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Just realised I said in my very first line “My best friend is gay” after complaining about using it as an adjective. I hope you know what I mean… I just needed to illustrate that I knew where the article was coming from having been involved with someone who identifies as homosexual. I wasn’t intending to introduce him “As my gay friend”.
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I believe that it’s only offensive when you say “Some of my best friends are gay, but…”
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Agree, Carolyn
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Lovely post Brendan, and I do agree that humour isn’t an excuse to perpetuate nasty narrow stereotypes. Not to mention that woman sounds like quite the sheltered socially inept type.
BUT just to play devil’s advocate a little, isn’t there also a place for irreverent non-PC humour? Especially a character like Gareth from the original Office series who says racist and homophobic things. We laugh because the writers are making fun of his ignorance, but it’s still racist and homophobic isn’t it? Or is it?
I’m not making much sense I know but I’m just trying to think about where the line is about what’s funny and what’s offensive.
Anyway, great post, idiot woman, let’s all get along…
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My god what a hooting twatface that woman was.
You are a gem and your dad is a deadset legend xxx
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Twatface – love it!
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I love you brother.
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“**For the record, no, my father isn’t embarrassed. Considering my idea of coming out to him was being arrested for being underage in a gay bar – I’d say my dad is a bit of a hero when it comes to acceptance.”
that is priceless, good on Brendan’s Dad!
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“like a wardrobe full of old beige cargo pants you thought you’d never see again.” – I had one of those until recently.
And if Mrs Ignorant-Old-Bat thinks that all gay people live in Potts Point, she needs to get out more, or maybe stay home permanently.
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Reminds me of how at school people used to say to me: “I hate greasy wogs. Oh, but not you – you’re different.”
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this reminds me of when people start sentences with “no offence, but…”
great post brendan, love your song too!
the sad thing is people like your colleague could be insulted in so many ways, but you choose to take the higher ground. it must have been tempting to ask her is she likes sounding like a moronic ignoramus, but of course you wouldn’t do that because you are decent.
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Grrr. I hate “no offence, but…”
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Yeah, and “don’t take this the wrong way but….”
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My personal favourite?
“I’m not a racist but . . .”
Ah, yeah you are. And you are a douchebag.
Some people are infuriating!
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Someone’s sexuality is as unimportant as to whether someone prefers blondes, or brunettes.
To assume and declare that a father would be embarrassed over his son’s partner preference is embarrassing for HER.
Pity that woman for her ridiculous ignorance – she is not worth your time getting upset.
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Ah Maclean, you’ve done it again. Brilliant, and the song is tops too. For what it’s worth, I’ve left more than one taxi ride on the side of the road because the driver thought it was fine to wax lyrical about his prejudices. Not on.
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I hope you forward this around the office Brendan. And I hope that woman receives it and sees how embarrassing it is to be her.
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I can relate to this, ALL of us are too scared to voice our opionions. If I said I believed in God (which was farily common only 50 years ago) I would be laughed at. If I said I dont believe in Gay marriage, because I believe in the bible, my gosh I am a intolerant bigot too.
How do we navigate this PC word and REALLY debate important issues when we cant be free to express our opinions for fear of offending someone?
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It’s an interesting question Anotherview…
I guess it comes down to context. Yes you are entitled to your opinion, but you don’t need to offer it to someone who hasn’t asked to hear it. [I'm not accusing you of doing that, just trying to answer your question!]
I’m a Christian and every day I see people doing things that don’t match my beliefs, but I choose to keep it to myself because each and every day *I* do things that don’t match my beliefs! As a Christian why on earth would I condemn anyone for their lifestyle choices when I know full well that my own conduct is far from perfect. It’s the hypocrisy of so many Christians that have earned us the ‘bigot’ label. It’s those who insist that non-Christians submit to “Christian values” whilst they proudly display their own intolerance, judgement and greed.
The ‘intolerant bigot’ label is usually reserved for those who air their unsolicited opinions without regard for someone else’s dignity and worth as a fellow soul whilst denying that their own “stuff” stinks too. I’m sure you’re not in that category
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Precisely.
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”
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I think it’s more so the WAY that people voice their opinions that is often so offensive…
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Well said Brendan! I dont like that there is still so much ignorance and intolerance to people in 2011. I wish the world could just deal with the fact that some people are gay, or straight, or black or tanned, or whatever body they were born in! Inolerance is the scum of society and passing it off as a joke is not on! I think you took the right path by telling your boss and not reacting like I would! I think if i was in your position my blood have boiled out my ears and i may have had to crash tackle the idiot! So well done for handleling yourself the way a mature well adjusted person should! your father would be proud of you for not punching the chick in the head! he must have raised a lovely boy
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