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They’re funny things, first dates. For some, they’re filled with the expectation of whether that one date might lead to two and three and an eventual happy ever after. For others, they’re just a necessary – sometimes expensive – hurdle for a night of  hot sex.

But here’s the thing, whether you’re in it for the long haul or just in it for the night – how much do you share about yourself?

Would you tell your date about the 7 cats sleeping on your bed at home – each named after pop stars of the ’80s? Or the fact that you take your washing home to Mum’s place on the weekend? Would you mention your single bed? Or that you like to have sex with your socks on… in the bathroom?

If you were keen for a second date, would you tell the man/woman across the table that you once held the record for the most hotdogs eaten in a minute (14 and 3/4)? Or that you can recite the words to Star Wars episodes 1, 2 and 3 – in 4 different languages? And would you mention that after tonight you’ll never be fully present because you’re in a long-term relationship with smart phone?

Maybe they’d respect you for it. Or maybe they’d go running. It’s hard to know.

So do you risk it?

Maybe you don’t share all the crazy quirks that make you, you. But what about the more serious things about your life that could have an effect on a long-term relationship?

That was the question asked by writer Chris Wiewiora recently in a post called ‘Two abortions, herpes, and 69: some things that made me not go on a second date.

After he met a women on an online dating site, he was left wondering how much people should and shouldn’t share on a date. He wrote:

I wanted Missy to stop telling me so much: that her favorite position was 69, that she didn’t like to use condoms, and that she had had two abortions.

There I was having dinner on Missy’s living room couch, while she drank white wine, then read my palm and told me that I would be a good husband and father. I had just turned 22 and was still an undergrad, while she was almost 30 and a teacher. To get Missy to stop talking I made out with her.

Interesting tactic. He wasn’t put off by Missy’s no condom rule or her visualisation of their future together. But – SPOILER ALERT – there was something that will eventually make him go running.

She said that she needed to tell me something.

Missy said that at a party in high school she had “scissored” with a girl and now had genital herpes. I couldn’t believe that a moment ago my hand had been at her damp crotch. I wiped my hand on my shorts. Still, to be polite, I stayed a little longer before I said I needed to go.

At her door, Missy said she’d see me again.

For a second, I considered seeing Missy again. Even though she has herpes, I thought, Maybe she’ll give me a blowjob. Then I thought, What would I have to do in return? I realized not only was I desperate enough to put myself at more and more risk, but worse, I was willing to use her.

Missy had been honest enough to tell me she had herpes, but I didn’t want to deal with that. I thought nobody wanted to deal with that. While she was being responsible, Missy’s consequence was probably getting turned down again and again.

“Sure,” I lied and forced myself to accept her goodnight kiss.

The next day I called Missy and said, “Thank you for telling me the truth. I just can’t handle it.”

Missy said she understood.

I’ve always (tried to) maintain the belief that someone should like you for who you are – whatever that is. But there’s a fine line between scaring and sharing. And that line is a second date. So what do you do?

How much do you share on a first date? What could anyone say to put you off going on a second date?  Any funny first date stories you’d like to share?

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57 Comments so far

  1. LaurenMaree

    I went on a first date with a friend of a friend on Saturday night. I’ve only met him once before and he decided to ask me what my number was, as in how many guys had I slept with. When I tastefully declined to answer he then asked me if I knew exact number. Really?! On a first date!!
    I’m not sure I ever want to know that about someone.
    Pity too because otherwise he was lovely.

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  2. Kaz

    I’ve had no over sharers but have made a rule that as soon as I know the date’s going nowhere I get out of there-don’t see the point in wasting my time or his. It’s quite empowering to as I know where I stand.

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  3. amyspeak

    I like honesty, but there’s definitely such a thing as too much honesty. I’ve had guys on first dates say things like “I don’t want a relationship” and “you’re sexy, I can see you being a perfect ‘other girl’” but the worst in my opinion is the guys who hardly say anything.

    The best example that springs to mind is when I lived overseas and went out for drinks with this guy who’d offered to help me with some professional contacts. I *thought* we had a good connection, then he turned up and I spent 45 minutes trying to get him to talk. I shared stuff about myself (hopes, dreams, recent outings etc), asked related questions, showed an interest in his work and his hobbies and then resorted to using every journalistic and acting technique I knew to try and get him to say more than three words.

    Eventually I gave up and made an excuse to leave, it was just too painful to go on. After that I’d prefer an oversharer any day – at least you know *something* about them.

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  4. bedizz

    My mum set me up once with the WORST ever date. He made me catch the train even though I was only 1 suburb away and said he would pick me up from the station, then he cruised up and made me jump in without stopping. Once we parked outside the restaurant he goes… “i’ll have to leave the car here now, i’ve got a court imposed breathaliser starter motor, so you’ll have to cab it home”, then pulled out 2 bottles of wine which i only drank a glass of (he drank the rest, of course). Apparently he had a specific area ban on driving also which is why he had to pick me up from the station.

    At dinner he goes “you smoke pot?”, i go “no, not really”, and then he proceeded to tell me about his 3 plants he was about to harvest and all the ins and outs of the process. In detail. For about 40 minutes. Followed by “my mum can’t wait to meet you”. I pretty much launched myself out of the restaurant and into a cab at the end of the date, I don’t even think my feet touched the pavement. NIGHTMARE. Mum swears she had no idea, she thought he was a “lovely guy”.

    Speaking of mum, her best: she was invited to dinner with a guy at his house for a first date. She had dinner with the whole family, and then at the end of the dinner the sister (who mum had never met before) announced she was getting married and asked mum to be bridesmaid!!!

    Hahahah… love those two stories.

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  5. Anna

    Went on a first date with a guy who told me he was doing “40 days/ 40 nights” without having sex. Like he was getting so much beforehand?! Grossed me out big time.

    Other bad first dates include one where the guy told me all about his ex-girlfriend. why would i want to hear this??? What made this date worse was that I stupidly locked myself in to dinner AND movie which meant even though I knew I wasn’t keen on the guy after 5 minutes of dinner, I had to sit through a whole movie afterwards as this is what we had planned. Note to all you young girls out there: keep first dates short and sweet!!

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  6. elle

    Oooh I’ve had some BAD first dates!

    One was a guy who turned up an hour late (kept calling to say he was close by) when I was waiting in the freezing cold winter night. When he arrived and I said starving, so where are we going for dinner? He goes ‘oh yeah I ate at my sister’s before..but I guess I can watch you eat’ uuuhhhm ok? We walked to a pizza place and he complained the whole 5 min walk about how far it was, why did we have to walk so much etc so that eventually we caught a taxi ! At the restaurant I ordered a pizza and he a bourbon and coke (hahaha classy) and he spent the whole date whinging about how he couldn’t be out too late and had to go home soon..
    It was so bad that when he went to the bathroom the waiter actually said to me ‘Oh honey you could do SO much better!’. Lol to top it off he refused to walk me 2 mins to the train station and then tried to kiss me and was surprised when I didn’t allow it !

    A boy once came to meet me for a first date dressed up and I made him wait 1 hour while I did my hair! We then went to dinner and I started crying and he had no idea what was going on, but I kept crying..anyway in the end we ended up making out and dating for like 6 months haha

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  7. Kass

    Love this. I’ve had a first date where the guy told me he found a human femur in his backyard, I left quickly. I generally keep my business to myself anyway, I have a phobia about burdening people with problems. Anyway, the one question I ask everyone is if your not into it after the first date and they contact you after the second, what do you do? Most girls I’ve asked say just don’t reply to the text or call but I find that so cruel!

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    • Rachael

      I would probably text to say I wasn’t keen on pursing things and wish them luck. I recently met a guy on a night out who got my number the sneaky way – he took a great pic of me and my friend and then offered to text it to me. Anyway he messaged the next day all lovely to meet you etc and I ended up just ignoring that. I find that if you respond just to be polite you are inviting them in as there is a part of them that wishes to acknowledge the contact because they like you so they try to keep it going and talk you around. They are simply hoping for the best.

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  8. anna84

    At the tender age of 19 I pashed a friend-of-a-friend on a drunken night out at a club and agreed to go on a date with him. We went to a restaurant and he proceeded to spend the ENTIRE DATE talking about doing “taxi runners”. Apparently this guy would go on a big night out in the city, hail a taxi, get the taxi driver to drop him off opposite at a park near his home in the suburbs, and bolt out of the car and make a run for it without paying. He did this almost every single weekend. He then started talking about how the last time he attempted it, the taxi driver ran after him and started beating him up and subsequently his face started appearing in taxis all over the city, warning taxi drivers not to pick him up in case he bolted.
    Why ON EARTH he thought this would be something to impress a girl on a first date I have NO IDEA to this day. I was so turned off it wasn’t funny and couldn’t WAIT to get away from him and get home. This was a middle-class privileged private-school boy who had plenty of money to pay for a taxi who was running away from taxi drivers (almost all of whom are from overseas and are working their ass off for a better life in this country), just to save a few bucks and have a bit of a laugh.
    At the end of the date he said that he only had two bucks to contribute to the date and could I put in the rest?
    It’s a funny first-date story that I still tell but I often wonder what that guy is doing now! He would be about 29 by now and I sure as hell hope he grew out of the taxi-running habit he had in his youth and that he regrets it.

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    • kate.

      How totally rude of him not to even contribute his half… wow…

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    • Kylie2

      At least he was dumb enough to be honest about his miserable, stingy ways so that you didn’t waste more than one evening of your life on him. What a loser.

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    • elle

      hahahahha $2 to contribute..surprised he didn’t do a runner!

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  9. sparkle

    this post has come at just the right time for me. I have a couple of first dates lined up and can use all the advice I can get!!

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  10. Lily

    Once, on a first date, I got exceedingly drunk and told my date about the Ebola Virus while he was trying to eat his dinner. Why? Who knows.

    I then told him I’d agreed to the date because his voice reminded me of my ex (who i was, obviously, very desperately still in love with).

    There was no date number two, funnily enough.

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  11. Faybian

    When I was last single (many moons ago) I used to find a way to let guys know very early on in the piece that I had small kids.
    It let them know that I was a package and also it was funny that you could almost see the panic in some men’s eyes.

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    • Rachael

      haha I was at the pub with a friend recently on one of my infrequent nights out and had this dude following me around for ages, looking for excuses to talk to me. I eventually dropped into the conversation that I had a 6.5 month old baby at home. Needless to say he scuttled away rather quickly!

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  12. whatahooha

    I have a friend who can tell a lovely story: on the first date, during the first course, the bloke said he wanted to get a few things straight: He wanted to get married, he wanted at least one child, and outlined his financial situation. (overshare?wait it gets better)
    She said, righto. And by the way I already have a 5 year old daugher.
    He said: No worries.
    So they got married! and had another beautiful baby.
    See? Honesty and happy endings

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  13. Becstar

    One time I went on a blind date with a guy who during the course of the evening revealed that he had “starred” in porn films in order to fund his way through University. He had clearly moved on from that area of his life, but I was so worried about what he would reveal on the second date that I never called him again. Maybe that was overly judgemental of me, but I didn’t have a chance to know him properly to put it into any kind of context and was too cautious to give him another date. But as a friend pointed out if we had dated further and had a relationship would I have been pleased and that information being withheld from me because he wasn’t upfront from the start? Hmmm…I think the guy was in a no-win situation. Dating is hard!

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  14. Lottie

    I knew date two was looking iffy when he mentioned he had just left his wife. At home. With his 1 year old twins.

    What a catch.

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    • thatgirlfiona

      Aha! Brilliant phrasing. Wowee!

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    • T

      Ah, the judgement. So, not knowing both sides of the story we assume the man is to blame and a bastard. Nice.

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      • HannahintheHills

        Yep pretty much ;)

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      • Lottie

        So T, I’m guessing a date is out of the question?

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      • Kylie2

        I’m pretty sure his wife’s side of the story goes something like “I am blissfully unaware that the man who made a public, lifelong commitment to me is out trying to romance another woman while I’m at home caring for OUR babies. What an ahole.”

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  15. Claire

    I had a mutual overshare first date two weeks ago.

    We got into a one-up-manship scenario of question asking, and before I knew it I’d asked how many people he’d had sex with, whether he’d slept with a prostitute, when his last STD check was, if he’s ever had any STDs.

    Today he emailed me photocopies of his STD results from the test he had done this week. So it looks like the oversharing went quite well!

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  16. iamevilcupcake

    Hmmmmmm . . . I don’t know how this would affect me for Sunday.

    I’ve known Gamer Guy for quite some time, and we have talked about EVERYTHING.

    I’ve even heard him fart. And I still think he’s awesome :)

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  17. Elspeth

    I did everything wrong on a first date – talked non-stop about my ex, got drunk and teary, told him how much i wanted to get married and have children, then slept with the guy that same night. Broke every rule in the book. Years later we’re married. He often teases me about my awful display of emotional psychopathic rebound girl on that date. Still can’t quite believe that he didn’t run away!

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    • T

      Sounds like you were being yourself. He probably found your honesty refreshing! Good for you.

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    • smashleigh

      i met a guy in a club one very drunken sat night. we met up again a few weeks later, went for a drink, and had sex on the first date. two and a half years later and we are now engaged.

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  18. Anonymous

    Looking back there have been a few weird ones.

    The Brazilian boy that made me skype with his mum on the first date. Um what!

    Another was with the most beautiful man I have ever seen in my life. Like drop dead. I had just broken up with my ex of 5 years and he asked me on a date after meeting at a club. I spent the whole night talking about my ex…. WHAT WAS WRONG WITH ME!!! Weirdly he asked me on a second date which I stuffed by talking non-stop about my ex’s new girlfriend, in my defence I was 20!

    Another was with a sweet man who confessed he had a 3 year old son, I never called him back. I was 21, and way too immature to deal with kids. Heck I was one myself!

    So I blame youth on being a highly annoying date.

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  19. Xena

    Lucy, I can’t help myself .. just so you know in future … it’s “long haul”, not “long hall”.

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    • Lucy Ormonde

      Oh that’s embarrassing! I wrote this on a plane… can I blame the altitude? ;)

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      • Olinda

        Long hall flight?

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  20. Kateateight

    This is kind of on topic, in that it is about what not to talk about on first dates

    When I used to date, I was this certain kind of (maybe insecure) woman who would jokingly trash talk their date in an effort to (I don’t know) make conversation? Be funny? Be challenging?

    Whatever it was, I now look back on it and see that I did it way too much. It can be rude. In fact, one guy I later became friends with actually said to me something along the lines of

    “I didn’t want to go on a second date with you because you were so rude! I kind of thought you were joking, but you went too far. I was surprised when you wanted to see me again, because you seemed to find so many things wrong with me! I didn’t want to go on another date with you because I couldn’t take another 4 hours of you hassling me”

    CRINGE!

    I don’t know if other women do this horrible thing on dates – but rein it in! It isn’t nice

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    • Jenna

      Thanks for the advice!

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    • Laws for Clouds

      I know a guy who has had a string of relationships (both romantic and platonic) with women who do this, so maybe some find it appealing?

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    • Em

      THIS! This has been OMM. I do it!

      I feel that pop culture has suggested that women who are are ‘mean’, acerbic and have acid tongues are desirable and endearing. Often men are shown to find such women a challenge and are bemused by these characteristics and as a result chase them. BUT I have found that often they are confronted and confused (hurt) and all I wanted to do is come across as funny, matey and confident! I am sure some guys dig it but it has just left me looking like an arse most of the time.

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      • T

        All that behaviour does is mark you out as a “rent not buy” proposition. Hence “pop” culture I guess… Treat people with respect and be yourself, don’t waste someone’s time getting to know a “front”!

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    • Lily

      Oh, what is this? I set a lovely male friend up with a lovely female friend. She got drunk, and spent the entire evening abusing him. It was the first time they’d met. I cannot for the life of me work out why she thought it was a good idea.

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      • Kateateight

        SO glad I am not the only one who does/did this!

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  21. Anonymous

    Opportune for me too, Elle. I have a date tomorrow with a very nice guy. Don’t know him too well but there’s lots of chemistry so I’m a bit excited. Haven’t even felt a flutter with anyone for more than a year, let alone an actual date!

    BUT… I am a massive over sharer in every aspect of my life. And this is a reminder that sometimes people don’t want to hear it. Not straight up. You don’t have to tell EVERYTHING in the next 3 hours (hopefully!) there will be time to get it out there in the future.

    Which brings me to my big one. My last relationship was with a girl, for quite a few years. I wouldn’t label myself as bisexual (no a big believer in labels) it was just more I fell in love, that person happened to be a woman. And I never know quite how/when to bring this out. There’s only so long you can avoid pronouns!

    Sorry for the essay but any experience/advice would be really welcome :)

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  22. Nellie

    I’ve had genital herpes for 21 years.
    I always tell my sex partners about it – but usually on the third date. It is a difficult thing to admit, especially to a relative stranger. Not only might you be rejected but also, if they operate in your social or work circle, they might spread the information around. Not great for the reputation.
    Luckily, I have never been turned down because of my STI. I am always careful to outline the symptoms and the risks. I also assure my partners that I abstain from sex during an outbreak and insist on using condoms. I have become very attuned to my body and always know when an outbreak is about to occur.
    In two decades, I have never passed my herpes on to anyone else.

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    • anon

      I’ve had herpes for 30 years (no, it’s not a length competition), an I”ve never passed it on either. After so many years, it only shows its ugly head every couple of years now, and the attacks are very mild.

      I tell people about it, but it’s certainly not something that I blurt out on the first date.

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  23. Nora

    Hmm can’t say I’ve ever been on a first date with an oversharer, more the opposite for me, the undersharer! Where you sit there in awkward silence trying to start up a decent conversation and they just keep shutting it down.

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  24. elle

    Very opportune post for me! Going on a first date tomorrow night. He seems lovely and we had a long phone convo last night so hopefully I havent shared too much already! Only thing is he is 27 and still lives at home with family..hmm deal breaker??

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    • Anon

      How exciting! Hope your date goes well!
      As for the living at home…….he could be saving his butt off for a house deposit…..etc etc
      The issue (in my opinion) is if he’s living at home, sponging off his parents, doing nothing around the house, no job, still at uni at 27 etc etc…..i know a few!
      Hopefully this guy isn’t one of them!
      Have a great night :)

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    • Anon

      Find out the reason for him being at home. I met my husband when he was 40 and he was living at home at that time – he had lived out of home b4 and was back there mainly for his parents sake – funnily enough when we met I was only 2 weeks out of my mother’s house having moved back in when I was between houses. Good luck on the date

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  25. Marissa

    I’ve been on quite a few first dates in my time (!!) and I think there’s a line between getting to know someone and getting too familiar.

    I usually draw the line at stories about exes on first dates. There’s something about the potential of starting a new relationship while hearing about their gory past that just puts me off… Especially if they’re still bagging them/saying what they hated.

    Quirky habits like standing in the kitchen in my underwear eating ice cream straight from the tub, hanging my washing on my balcony while just wearing a towel or sleeping diagonally in bed are kind of endearing and fine to share. It shows how comfortable you are with yourself and that you’re willing to have a laugh.

    But sexual histories and preferences I think are things that come a bit further down the track when you’re actually presented with the opportunity to do the naked horizontal tango.

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  26. Susan As Well

    I just went through this yesterday with a first date…

    Now, I am wondering if he has herpes or not … it’s all so complicated!

    Guess I will find out on the second date but … sheesh … do I just ask about it now?

    I listened to a show on Radio National about a woman who decided not to “market” herself on an internet dating site, said that she sometimes suffered from depression and didn’t want to take medication for it, that she was currently living in her mother’s laundry as well as some relatively positive things about herself and decided to wait and see who responded and how. It went well with the responses and all was okay.

    I think it’s probably better to be upfront pretty early otherwise people could easily feel that important information has been withheld from them that they would have to consider when thinking about the future.

    I can’t really imagine Sam De Brito not being upfront about his herpes. He just has that kind of personality.

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    • Sammie

      It’s the opening line on his RSVP profile!

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  27. I can’t even remember – but Mr W and I knew each other beforehand so it wasn’t really *that* much to reveal!

    Wonder what Sam De Brito does about the herpes situation?

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    • kellbell

      First date: Dinner out, ended up going to a dodgy chinese after not being able to get in anywhere else. It was only the two of us plus a family of ten. After ordering we realised it was kids karaoke night. Not so good!

      Second date: Ordered a picnic basket to have on the beach, started to rain (heavily) so sat in the car and ate it :)

      Third date: Got lost in National Park, had to call a cab to get back to Car.

      6 years later still together :)

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    • The Wounded Bull

      Out of interest, is referring to someone elses STIs a bit like using the ‘N’ word or ‘Wog’, it is fine when the person themselves says it, but just a little inappropriate when coming from someone else?

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      • Hmm I don’t know Wounded Bull – I figured Sam talks about it regularly in national print and television so it was common fodder, just was wondering out loud what his ‘tell policy’ is! I didn’t even think twice that it would be a litte inappropriate but on second glance I can see how it might be!

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        • the wounded bull

          I wasnt having a go at you as such, just posing the question. He does put it out there quite a bit, and in the public domain, so it would be a tad hypocritical to then care if other people refer to it I guess.

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          • Didn’t think you were :) you just gave me something to think about!

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    • Natski

      I follow Sam De Brito on twitter and he mentioned that he had joined RSVP, with a link to his profile. He states that he has herpes in about the first sentence. Sounds like he is pretty honest from the get-go!

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