Have you ever asked somebody out on a date? If you are female in 2011 the answer will probably be no. Or will it? Lucy Ormonde writes:
“If I applied the same rules to my dating life that I do to my professional life, I’d be sitting by the front door waiting for someone to knock twice and offer me a job. So there’s little wonder why I’m single.
This post is not about feminism and it’s not about liberation. It’s about confusion. You see, one day while I was patiently waiting for prince charming to throw stones at my window, I began to think about all the things that modern women do. We have careers. We become world leaders. We’ve thrown away our sidesaddles and we’ve saved the number of our local Thai take-away shops into our smart phones.
And yet when it comes to dating, we seem to be stuck in the past. We act like it’s 1814 and we’re playing out scenes from a Jane Austen text.
While other aspects of life have evolved and progressed over the years, the rules that govern our dating lives have stayed the same. Yes we’ve added mobile phones, Farmer Wants a Wife and Oasis Online, but for the most part we follow same dating principles that our parents – and their parents – followed back in their dinner-and-a-movie days. Like a gazillion years ago.
What I’m talking about is the first move. And more specifically, who makes it. I don’t date a lot, but when I do I always wait for the boy to make the first move. And my reasoning? Because that’s just the way at is. Because I don’t want to seem too forward. And because no love story ever started with the line, ‘Well, Mummy pursued Daddy for a very long time…’
I asked a friend of mine if she thought women could make the first move in a relationship. When she answered with an exuberant ‘Yes,’ I feared my dinosaur dating standards might not be as widespread as I once thought. Only when I asked her if she had or would ever make such a move, her excitement dropped and a dejected ‘Nooooooo’ came out under her breath.
There seems to be a disconnect between what women could (or should) do and what they’re actually doing. In theory we should be making the first move but in reality we’re not. I have a job, I pay rent and if I had to I could roast a bloody chook. With stuffing and sides. But can I walk up to a boy in a bar and tell him I think he’s cute? Hell no.
Here’s what I don’t understand. When did it become such a bad thing to tell someone – man or woman – that you like them?
My friend is an online dater. And even in the virtual world she waits for the man to make the first move. “If I’ve been chatting to someone I like, I’ll probably wait for him to suggest catching up,” she says. Yes she’ll engage in some flirtatious banter, exchange a sneaky ’xox’ here and there, but when time comes to meet in person she reverts to those traditions of dating we’re all guilty of following.
So we wait. We wait by our phones. By our Facebook pages. By our Twitter accounts. We wait for chivalry, we wait to be chased. We wait for the kind of bold romantic gestures that occur only in over-the-top Hollywood versions of already unrealistic Nicholas Sparks’ novels.
And then we wonder why nothing’s happening.
So what I really want to know is, in the age of mobile phones, paid maternity leave and online dating, should women be able to make the first move and ask a man on a date?
And if they do, who pays for dinner?
What is/was your dating etiquette? Are you an asker or an askee?







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I asked my boyfriend to go out. But then again, I’m usually the more dominant one in the relationship.
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Seriously, it’s not the renaissance period & the average single woman is not a princess. “Courting” went out long ago… same goes with having your father choose or approve a suitor. It’s time to suck it up, grow up & be an adult woman!
If you happen to like a guy, ask them out. Sure, it’s nerve wracking & scary, but why not give it a go. Guys are in the exact same boat. The idea of rejection is scary, but if you don’t put yourself out there you can’t give it a go.
Also, IMO women are too hung up on the idea of the “ideal” or “perfect” man; here’s the reality. Like you, he’s not going to be perfect & like you he’s scared shitless too. I also find that my single girlfriends are far too quick to judge men, for the most ridiculous things. Less judgement, and more “go with the flow” is needed. When you put aside judgement, preconceived ideals & silly expectations, it will be much easier to have a relationship. I just wish my single girlfriends would mellow out a bit when it comes to dating. Theyre all so picky & serious!!! Dating should be fun! Not about ticking off pros & cons lists!!!
I asked my husband out, despite my preconceived ideal of NOT dating a younger guy, & expectations of dating someone who was the complete opposite. It turns out that the day I stopped expecting too much, stopped comparing real men to the preconceived “husband” in my head & ignored up my ideals of him asking me out first was the best thing I ever did!
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I think girls should never, ever make the first move.
I find there’s a way to be assertive and be confident and forward, but it’s more about being clear about what you will and won’t accept rather than being the one to make the call.
As a Gen Yer, I’ve learned this lesson through experience. Making the first move has never worked well for me. Call it archaic and sexist and whatever you like but I think men need to at least THINK they’re in control. They don’t realize you’ve been hitting on them by making eyes across the room, they think they’re doing all the work.
I think it’s a complex balance to achieve, but women don’t want to appear too eager as it DOOES drive men away, or make them think you’re just about up for anything.
Zoe Foster has some great thoughts on all of this which are pretty relevant to this generation.
Women just need to realize they can be in control, but that doesn’t mean being making a move.
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I find the men I seem to like are of the old school type anyway and want to ask me out. If I asked them out for the second date, I found it all got confusing and neither of us seemed to know what was what. Sounds dumb I know.. but humans are complex creatures and sometimes some rules work for some of us. So I’m old school and yeah right now I’m kinda waiting for that phone to ring… but at least I’m modern enough to know it’s entirely my choice to do that. It’s not like I couldn’t phone him
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I’m an old school gal. And a hopeless romantic. I love being in relationships but do absolutely nothing about trying to find a man to be in a relationship with. I’m waiting to literally bump into him in the street. Surely the right man will find me wherever I am won’t he? Even if I’m sitting on my couch watching sex and the city and drinking tea? oh god…maybe i need to get out more. But I just can’t stand the places people go to meet men, bars etc. There’s such an expectation that comes with all of that talking to men with a glass of wine in your hand. It makes me uncomfortable. So that’s a big fat no to asking a man out. I’m all for other woman doing it but for me, I think anyone who is interested enough to want to get to know me will ask me out. As I said, old school gal.
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I used to believe there was a rationale behind this, ala He’s Just Not That Into You or Textbook Romance.
Now, I really think as with most things, human relationships and emotions are far too complex to be able to explain using some perfunctory guide.
Being the one to ask the guy out will sometimes result in rejection, but not always. Not everybody thinks along the lines of pop psychology.
One of my (male) friends had a girl’s number that he liked and he didn’t ask her out, because he was too scared (despite our encouragement). He was definitely into her. But he was too nervous. She might have interpreted that as him not being keen. I can see the point of those books that what they’re essentially saying is, don’t waste time and energy on someone/something that is not working, REGARDLESS of the reasons.
But I think there is a danger to being dogmatic.
I approach guys all the time. I do not approach them and start hitting on them. I just strike up a conversation. 9 times out of 10, this achieves at the very least meeting an interesting person who I sometimes have common ground with, and then we have a great discussion. The pressure is off because I’m not openly hitting on him or vice verca. I have met new friends this way, and sometimes, started dating. I’ve recently had two coffee dates with a guy I approached because he looked familiar. He got my number, he msged me the next day, and the rest is history.
Girls I implore you don’t EVER have that dogmatic philosophy “I will never talk to a guy first”. They’re not all power-hungry predators, and not everybody needs to be a romantic interest!
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I asked once. He rejected me. I gave up. Now waiting by a phone that never rings.
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I like a guy at the moment and he’s pretty involved with my family – gets along well with my dad etc. I just can’t seem to ask him out. I get SO nervous every time I see him… and usually I can talk to any guy.
It’s the guys you like that you end up talking shit to… or making a complete fool of yourself in front of them!
Any ideas on how I can ask this guy out? We barely have any alone time together – we hang out together around my family!
I need to do something about it though… every time I see him I’m like ‘HELLOOOO!!!’
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Girls – get with the program.
In my 8 years of dating as a grown up, I asked out as many as I was asked out by. It was not a drama at all.
I have no idea if hanging out in circles of left wing blokes and feminists made it easier/more expected. But if I liked a guy, I asked him for a drink after work on a Friday night. If I liked him after a few drinks, I’d kiss him!
I loved my dating years. I never had to ask my hubby out, we met at the pub and he is the one night stand that never ends. LOL I can’t remember the days after, it wasn’t ‘asking out’ it was more ‘want to catch up tonight?” – both sending them.
I think if you expect a bloke to chase you, you are setting up an unbalanced relationship from the start. I can’t bear games.
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New RSVP member. Who else is annoyed that you can’t buy just one ‘stamp’ and a 6 pack is discounted by 5 cents?! Grr.. plus there is a SEXY guy on there I can’t contact because he has restrictions on his ad. I don’t want to pay $60 bucks in the hopes it might turn out.
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They’re certainly out to make a buck.. sometimes they have specials where it can be a bit cheaper.. keep an eye out for those.
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I’ve been quite overt before. It hasn’t worked for me. I’ve heard men say “oh, sure I’d love if a woman asked me out” but they don’t mean it. At least that has been my experience. Men seem to prefer to do the chasing.
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The reason that I would never ask a guy out:
I don’t want a guy that I need to push. I enjoy knowing that I am wanted enough for him to make an effort. (not that I don’t give off the signals) It gives me confidence further on in the relationship to express my feelings truthfully.
Old fashioned perhaps but I was prepared to wait for such a man and was lucky enough to find him 15 years ago. Mysteriously he still chases me, even after I express my feelings truthfully (see the PMS post).
Knowing what you want seems to help you find it.
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Like it or lump it, many things may have changed over the years in terms of women’s status in the workforce etc. etc. but when it comes down to the courting ritual the one thing that hasn’t changed since the dawn of time is men’s and women’s biology. Men like and need to chase women, it makes them feel manly, they see something they like and they go for it. If a man really likes you, you needn’t do much more than look your best, be appreciative and be your most charming self. I go by the wonderful Zoe Foster’s guide when it comes to getting the guy and keeping him! By all means ask a guy out if you want to but don’t start whingeing if you find it backfires on you, which in most cases it will!
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Scarlett, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I have never in my friendship group known of any friend who pursued a man and conquered him for longer than a night. My tip is be a little elusive, and let them chase you, get them a little exhausted in the process. It will make them grab you with two hands and not want to let go.
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It took so much guts to tell someone that I liked them. That is not the same as asking out: I could NEVER do that. Too scary!
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Aw I just asked a guy if he had a girlfriend. Unfortunately, yes he did.
Oh well. Water under a bridge now.
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I wouldn’t ask a guy out unless I had some clue that he was also interested in me. I have asked in the past when I wasn’t sure, but I have found that they are either really flattered and just say ok, without any thought or they give you a definite no, and nobody wants too many of those.
My current boyfriend was shy, so I knew I had to be the more assertive one, but he did give me a clue to his interest, so I felt ok with doing the asking. In past relationships, the guy has done the asking before I even thought of it, which is probably why those are past relationships!
I think it just depends on the individuals involved, but if you never try you never know, so if you feel reasonably confident in yourself, it can’t damage too much anyway. As for dinner, you can offer to pay your share and if he wants to cover it, let him. It’s nice.
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Well actually, the “rule” is that the person who does the asking pays for dinner. Usually that’s a guy, which is why he pays (or you can offer to pay half), but if you’re doing the asking, wouldn’t it be equally expected that we should pay, and he could offer to pay half?
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Man, get out there! I’ve made the first move plenty of times. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t – but the reason it works or doesn’t work has nothing to do with which one of us made the move.
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My husband and I met on a blind date, so there was no asking out necessary. However I was the one to initiate the first kiss and the exclusivity talk. He proposed though (unplanned – aww!). I’m too impatient to wait around!
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I asked out my now-husband. Cold called him and enquired whether he wanted to go out for a drink. It was frightening for sure – but exciting too – I was making an active decision about my life and not passively waiting for someone else to make the move. I think if you trust your intuition (ie. you sense the person is interested) and you feel confident enough to pick up the phone – then there is no reason to wait! It is not about aggressively pursuing someone – it is about letting them know you’re open to something.
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This is not the planet I live on.
I didn’t want another a-type husband squashing the life force out of me, so yeah, I made first moves and it landed me the very lovely Mr By
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Yes it is confusing. I like the traditional aspect of man making the first move and so on. However, when I used to date I wouLd sometimes make the first move (usually through a kiss!, not asking them out initially) but only if I was sure if it was reciprocated!
I was talking about this exact topic with my brother not long ago and he said guys absolutely love women to make the first move. Lets face it even when someone we don’t like in that way ask us out it is still flattering is it not? Everyone needs a little flattery now and then!
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I made the first move with my husband way back when we first met, and a year later I asked him to marry me. We’ve been happily married for nearly 7 years. If I had waited for him to make a move, I would have gotten frustrated and moved on without him. Sometimes we have to “disturb the universe” to get what we want. The absolute worst that could happen is he’ll say no.
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Hmmm it is confusing?!
I was having “relations” with a co-worker I really liked!!! I fell hook, line and sinker lol (I was much younger then) then I found out he had a gf and was crushed!! I was sure he liked me, I knew a lot of friends of his etc we continued along this path for nearly 2 years, not something Im proud of I assure u! What i have always wanted to know is by all accounts ppl said he was trustworthy and has never cheated, that it wasn’t his normal behavior etc in the end I removed myself from the situation, I guess part of me always wonders, had i put it all on the line at the beginning would it have caused me less drama!! At least would have saved me some heartache at the time!? I guess my question is how do u really know if a guy likes u or just likes the way u look naked?
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It sounds like he only liked the way you looked naked. If a guy has a g/f then he is taken simply as that….never go there very difficult terrain
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We are afraid of being rejected. Plain and simple.
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Amen to that. My nanna, who has been married for 50 years, has amicably separated from my grandfather. She has entered the dating game with a lot of trepidation and recently called me to ask if I thought it a good idea if she invited a gentleman over for a mid-morning coffee after church. She was utterly terrified that he would say no. It goes to show that the humiliation of being rejected, even when you’re in your seventies, is very real.
My advice, naturally, was go for it! But in my heart I was anxious for her!
Good luck!
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Aww your nanna sounds awesome! It must take a lot of bravery to ask someone out for the first time in 50 years…! I hope the man from church said yes
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The guy HAS to make the first move.
I have many male friends and work in an almost all male environment, and from what I see and hear it seems guys very much want/need to be the ‘hunter’.
If a guy likes you, he will let you know… No matter how shy he is, or whatever complications (work, mutual friends, etc.) are in the way. In my experience, those instances where you ‘think’ a guy may like and spend time trying to put yourself on his radar, hint and manipulate the situation to your advantage NEVER work out…and if they do, it’s only ever short lived because he was never really that into you anyway.
I’m single and I do sometimes feel like I’m letting opportunties pass me by when there’s a guy I like and I don’t do anything about it
But I really think this is just the way it is meant to be.
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Agreed. I have always felt (and experience backs me up) that if a guy is interested, he *will* find a way of letting you know. He may be quite upfront about it, or if he is shy, it will be subtle and he may not chase you, as such. But you always get the message somehow. What you do from there on is up to you.
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I disagree! I made the first move with my boyfriend and we’ve been together for 2 years. I don’t think he felt that we couldn’t work out because he didn’t ask me out first. He actually really loved that I was confident enough to make the first move. And in the long term it doesn’t change the dynamic in the relationship – I still ask him to deal with the spiders in our apartment and take out the garbage
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Me too! My husband said he was way too intimated and nervous to ask me out but he was absolutely stoked and relieved when I finally bit the bullet and proposed a drink. Not all men have to be the ‘hunter’ – in fact I think those men are the ones to be avoided!
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Me too! I think we should stop dividing this by gender and start dividing it by personality type. Extroverts and non-conventional types appear to be capable of making the first move, others not so much.
Some of us will, some of us wont, it will work for some and not work for others, but gender need not be the driving defining force.
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Hurrah! Why did it take so many comments before someone pointed out the bleeding obvious?
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I agree. I could never go out with a guy who didnt take the lead and ask me out first.
And I always let them pay for the first date. If he asked me out and wanted to get to know me the least he could do was pay.
Its a bit like asking someone over for dinner and then asking them to contribute to the grocery bill!
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Every guy i have ever “kissed” on rsvp has said thanks but no thanks – it really kill the confidence …
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On rsvp it is all about the photo. Don;t worry about the knockbacks, the vast majority of the guys are totally delusional about their market value, they want a 10 when they are a 5. Some of them will still be on rsvp when hell freezes over
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My uncle is on one of those sights and his photo is about 20 years old. And he only wants women young enough to be his grand-daughter. Bless him, poor thing still thinks he’s hot. We spent Christmas day, after a few champagnes, laughing with him at his profile! He makes himself sound and look like George Clooney when he’s actually more like Mickey Rooney! Never trust the photos ladies.
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There might be something small about your profile that is turning people off, perhaps get a friend to look at it?
Before I met my boyfriend on there, I fiddled with my profile a few times and I found what worked best was a haphazard ‘Random Facts About Me’ type list in which I tried to give people a laugh but also reveal a bit about my personality.
If you give someone a chuckle, that’s a good way to move to the next step.
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But you’re Ok with him having to risk his confidence? Doesn’t seem fair to me
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“Should women be able to make the first move and ask a man on a date?” HELL YES! YES YES YES!
And they should both pay for what they ate or drank on the first date!
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I asked my husband on our first date. It worked!
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I’m currently in the situation. A guy at work has popped up on my radar. I have no problems talking to anyone in the office, but when it comes to this particular guy I start shaking and my heart beats overtime. I engage in brief chit chat, but I walk past in the hope that he would begin a conversation with me, only it’s a pleasant hello or smile.
I feel renewed, began taking care of myself (exercising, make- up and well considered outfits)
My confidence has been shattered (due to past experiences) – part of me wants to go up and let him know, the other part refuses to go there. Especially having to have a working relationship and the thought of other workers finding out.
Any suggestions? If I go there, what should I do?
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I’ll be honest… office romances are tricky! I would probably only go ‘there’ if you don’t work directly work together e.g. he isn’t your boss, direct co-worker or if you think he’s someone who would spread office gossip about you if he slept with you.
If he works far enough apart from you I would go for it. What have you got to lose? I’m currently casually dating a guy from work – and it works because we work on different floors so we barely see each other during the work day other than a casual hi if we walk past each other outside at lunch.
Office romances CAN get complicated so think about it first. Do you know his single? Probably best to scope out his situation first… and I suggest making a casual drink thing after work and inviting him along… that’s how it worked for me.
Good luck x
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I know it’s better to say, just talk to him, etc. But i was in the position and COULD NOT ask. Just couldn’t. So i got my co-worker to ask another co-worker whether he had a partner, and he DID! Devo! But at least i knew without embarassing myself! So i would say if it’s possible, get a co-worker to do some of the background work for you! Good luck!!
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This happened to me…. Worked with a guy who was much more senior to me (I was in admin, he was a dr). I would freak when he entered the room and would become tongue tied while he tried to make conversation.
He ended up leaving the department so I emailed him and gave him my phone number- it was one of the scariest things I have ever done and I was a wreck waiting waiting waiting….. but he called!! I could not believe it when he did, I thought all my Christmas’ had come at once. Especially when he told me that he had been trying to give me the hint that he thought I was cute but thought I didn’t like him because I didn’t talk to him!! We saw each other for about 2 months before it fizzled out. No heartbreak or nastiness, just wasn’t meant to be. I did dodge him at work after that though!
So on dating people from work… I think it is too tricky unless as Rose Russo said, you work far enough apart or you can trust the guy.
On girls making the first move… I think we have come a long way and it’s totally okay for a girl to ask a guy out BUT, I still prefer to be chased
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“When did it become such a bad thing to tell someone – man or woman – that you like them?’
When we started fearing rejection and/or ridicule?
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… and you don’t think guys fear rejection and/or ridicule?
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As much as I might have enjoyed it, I’ve never been treated like the old fashioned girl, and the boys/ men I have dated were mostly of the group who can’t tell when a girl is hinting at them anyway. I have been asked out, and I have done the asking, it doesn’t really bother me. If the conversation is flowing it doesn’t seem to matter who says it first.
I’m 30 years old and I’ve been married for four years now to a man who is perfectly strong and macho etc, who said yes to a date I didn’t even realise I was asking him on.
If a man can’t handle being asked out by a woman, he seems like a loser to me, anyway. Get over it.
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I think the frustrating thing is that we hear so many different ideas on what women should and shouldn’t do when it comes to men. According to Greg Behrendt (the He’s just not that into you guy) if you’re the one that makes the first move, it means he’s just not that keen!
However, I was speaking to a male friend about this recently who said “women want to be treated as equals and yet as far as dating goes, it still seems to be entirely up to the man to get the ball rolling.”
Two completely conflicting ideas- so who knows what we’re supposed to do!!
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Well some guys are shy and are terrified to ask a girl out. However, if a woman asked them out they would be relieved and delighted.
I suppose the confident alpha males might not like the woman to ask them out.
Maybe how you are perceived depends on how many times you ask them out? Do you take no for an answer? At the end of the day if some dude you ask out thinks you are desperare it won’t kill you. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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I asked my husband to marry me if that counts.
I used that once-every-four-years opportunity on the 29th Feb. Thankfully, he said yes!
Before that I gave up on asking or pursuing men for dates. It just didn’t work very well. I think it is an evolutionary thing. Men generally speaking like to do the pursuing. IMO.
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You do know that “the rule” isn’t actually encoded in law or anything?
I proposed to my husband, too, and the number of surprised comments I got and references to leap years were really, really surprising.
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I manage to mess it up all the time either way, I hate all the games and rules drives me insane and is probably why I am still single…………….
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Oh gosh, me too. My most recent RSVP adventure involved nearly a month of back-and-forth emailing before he finally gave me his number and asked if I wanted to meet up. I waited the requisite few days before responding… and by the time he got back to me, he’d been on a couple of great dates with another girl and decided to give that a chance.
He was so lovely, and interesting, and attractive (I find so few guys attractive), plus major props for honesty and not trying to get away with juggling the two of us. He deactivated his profile straight away too – another tick in the ‘honourable’ box. I really feel like I missed a great opportunity. All because I didn’t want to appear too eager…
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I met my boyfriend of eighteen months online and we’re about to move in together. If I can give any tips for online dating, it’s that you need to move it offline as soon as possible. As soon as you establish a spark of attraction, go out on a date.
This is for two reasons
a) Too much written communication allows the fantasy to build and they inevitably end up being disappointing in real life even though they are very nice guys because no one can measure up to the Prince Charming in your head
b) See above- the guys on RSVP are actively searching for commitment and if you stuff around too much, you could miss someone great.
Good luck with RSVP though, you should definitely persist.
I think I will eventually marry the boy who made me laugh from his very first email
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Thanks Jessica! I agree re. taking it offline as soon as possible, the fantasy definitely does build into something unrealistic and I’ve had that happen before. I stupidly stuffed around with this one because I actually love being single, and I wasn’t even 100% sure I wanted a relationship, and I thought somewhat carelessly, ‘If it’s meant to be, it will be!’ Grrr. Lesson learned, though.
All the best to you and your man!
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Oh yes I have had a fantasy is better than reality moment not from RSVP though, but months of chatting and txting before we caught up face to face AHHHHH cue disaster and I felt really shallow
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I have asked a boy out – but it didn’t go down so well. He wasn’t interested – slight blow to the self-esteem, but have now recovered. Current boy though did the asking – caught me completely off guard at the time.
However, my best friend asked her now husband out. She was always very good at going after what she wants!
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luce, I share exactly the same feelings with you. maybe it’s how we were taught when we were growing up. maybe it’s simply an imprinted idealist picture in most female minds. (or hearts).
it’s good to know i’m not alone in my, whatever it is… shyness? old fashioned values?
xx your cousin
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maybe it’s a family trait…?
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All of the above Kang! Especially the idealist picture… and the family traits! We should quiz the grandparents
Thanks for the comment lovely xxx
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You flirt on Twitter? This is a revelation to me…
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Long time reader. First time comment! We met at a mutual sport. Played together for a few years, we each secretly liked each other but were both to nervous to say anything. I decided I would, I had nothing to lose. I didn’t want an opportunity to be with someone to slip past just because I didn’t speak up. 9 years later & our wedding approaching at the end of year we couldn’t be happier. I was originally of the old school mind, however, you really have nothing to lose. After all… You never know what it might lead to.
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Exactly! If they say no, so be it. It’s not the end of the world! I asked someone out before my hubby, he said no. I moved on. If I hadn’t gotten a little proactive it’s entirely probable Mr lazy pants would never have gotten his act together!
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Welcome to MM commenting Sally!
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I have done both in the past – waited for a guy to make the first move for whatever reasons; shyness, tactics, whatever … and also made the first move myself. Sometimes it’s worked and sometimes it hasn’t.
As I’ve gotten older (and dare I say it, wiser) I’ve become one for not missing opportunities when they present themselves. I know too many people who live with regrets or run out of time before making things happen and I don’t want to be one of those people. Whether I think I might fall on my arse or not, I take the risk now and always put myself out there.
Case in point (yes, there is a point, it was just taking me a while)…. I met a man at work who was gorgeous, we hit it off, he was only there for that night on contract work and wasn’t likely to come back…. his lift home intruded to say ‘we’ve got to go’ and after much hesitation he went to leave.
Figuring if I didn’t bite the bullet and just say something I might never run into him again…. I caught up to him and gave him my number, asking him if he’d like to see a show with me (I work at a theatre) and to give me a call if he did. Then I left the ball in his court.
He txt me his number within half an hour…we spoke all week…went to dinner on the Friday and have been pretty much inseparable ever since. That was a month and a half ago, which is still early days but I am feeling wonderful about it.
He may have turned around and said not interested, or just not called, but he didn’t…he was interested…and I wouldn’t have known if I hadn’t taken a chance. Better than dying wondering right?
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Cool story
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I will be telling my kids “mummy pursued daddy for a very long time…”
However he didn’t even realise I liked him until I told him! I don’t think it’s fair on the guys to expect them to read minds and know we like them, I thought I was being really obvious but my husband still had no idea!
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Ha – isn’t it hilarious how ‘obvious’ we think we are? Sometimes I feel like I’m waving a giant banner with the words “I really like you!” when apparently I’m all I’m saying is “hello”.
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I walked up to my now fiancee at a bar and told him he needed to buy me a drink. He thought I was obnoxious, but gave me points for confidence, bought the drink and two years later we are planning our wedding. Confidence is incredibly attractive in my book. He then played me at my own game. Refused to take my number at the end of our first meeting, despite my protests that I wouldn’t call him. He gave me his and said: “If you really are interested, you will.” And, obviously, I did. He was attracted to my confidence, and I to his. If you want him, go get him. If he turns you down, wasn’t meant to be and you won’t wonder “what if?”
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When I liked a guy I never asked them out.Turned out they were not into me and jerks anyway !
My boyfriend and I got set up by his mum so he texted me first and asked me for a date.But I messaged and emailed him right after our date and he said he liked that , and I was the first to say ” I love you ” he was happy as a girl never said that to him first and his ex took 9 months to say it back.I said it after only a month.We have been together for nearly two years and live together.
I loved being single so never really bothered to chase a guy.I just thought if it is meant to be , I will meet the right guy anyway.And it did happen
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AustEn! With an E!
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Thanks Kris2040 – It’s fixed
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Best way to win them over…. Let them know you are interested but be elusive, and let them know there are many men also interested in you. Subtly of course.. and then see him go for gold!
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I’m old school – the guy should make the first move.
Re who pays for the date – you should always offer to pay 1/2 when the bill comes. If he insists on paying the full amount, you offer again, if he insists further, you let him pay. If some other (cheaper!) cost comes up later in the night, you should get in quick to pay (eg. coffee or movie tix).
This is just for the first few dates. After that, I think cost balances itself out and sometimes you will end up paying for all and other times he will pay.
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I pursued my husband and I asked him to marry me. This was when I was 22/23 back in 2003. If I found myself single again I would not hesitate to initiate or make the first move.
I have no idea how any woman can wait for a man to stumble upon them. How boring.
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I used to catch the train to work every day with this guy that I thought was extremely good looking. One day, I got up the guts to talk to him. I just started with a very casual, “Hi, how are you.” We chatted and I told him I thought he was really cute and would he like to go on a date some time. He said yes.
We’ve been together for 6 years, I still think he’s cute AND I get to see him naked EVERY SINGLE DAY! Best risk I ever took.
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I LOVE this comment!
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Thanks Lucy.
I think there’s no reason why women SHOULDN’T ask men out. The worst that can happen is they say no – okay so it’ll be a bit embarrassing but you’ll get over that in time. The best thing that can happen? See above, and note the bit about the hot naked guy!!! ;p
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Ahh…seeing a cute guy naked every single day… *smiles dreamily off into distance*
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I hear you Lucy! I’m 24 and the rules are so different now. So many ways for boys to avoid real conversation and use email / facebook / twitter / text messaging before actually speaking to you either over the phone or face to face.
Truth I find is men don’t like being chased. Most Australian men are so laid back they’re horizontal and don’t like chasing too much but they also don’t like a girl coming on too strong and making all the moves.
Gah! I really don’t know what the answer is – all I know is its HARD!
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Ditto Arielle. I’m 21 and definitely old-fashioned when it comes to dating. I even went so far as to delete my Facebook account for a while, just to make myself a little bit more unavailable… it worked until I got bored of being out of the “Facebook loop”. Truth is, it’s so easy for a guy to act so nonchalant these days, text messaging and Facebook has made it so easy for them. And because girls want to be involved in the game, they in turn make it even easier by being so available through these media.
Frustrating… grr… Still waiting for Prince Charming…
http://www.datesdontgrowontrees.tumblr.com
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I made the move on my current boyfriend of 2 and half years! We were housemates and there was a lot of flirtatious behaviour the weeks leading up to, then one night I just decided to go for it. There is nothing worse than the agony of liking someone and not being sure about how they feel- I figured at least if he rejected me I would know and could move on. Glad it didn’t work out that way though!
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